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Speaker 1: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. I'm Jason Hammer, Big

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Speaker 1: Nige is out and it's day nine nine of the

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Speaker 1: government shutdown. Let's find out what's really going on. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now on the hotline, Senator Jim Banks from the

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Speaker 1: Great State of Indiana and Senator while this government shutdown

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Speaker 1: takes place here, what does that mean for you? I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're out playing golf every day or treating

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Speaker 1: this like some sort of e learning day like the

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Speaker 1: kids do in school. What's your schedule like?

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Speaker 2: Well, we are here about to go through a series

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Speaker 2: of twenty votes on the defense bill the INDAA and

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Speaker 2: try to pass that out of the Senate and then

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Speaker 2: on a date to answer your question, Jason, on a

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Speaker 2: daily basis, we're voting on the on the spending bill

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Speaker 2: and forcing the Democrats to catch I think they've cast

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Speaker 2: out eight or nine votes against the spending bill to

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Speaker 2: reopen the government. And let me let me tell you

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Speaker 2: when this gets really sad. Is is beginning tomorrow when

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Speaker 2: we have troops not getting paid because these Democrats don't

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Speaker 2: want to fund the government for another seven weeks at

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Speaker 2: the same spending level that they all that many of

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Speaker 2: them voted for back in March. Now they're playing politics.

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Speaker 3: They want to.

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Speaker 2: They're closing the government because they're demand demanding a trillion

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Speaker 2: dollars more in spending for healthcare for illegals and COVID era.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh, Obamacare spending covid was a long time ago,

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Speaker 3: And that's why they're they're they're.

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Speaker 2: Sabotaging this process, holding the holding the government hostage. And

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Speaker 2: in this case, who they're hurting are the people who

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Speaker 2: matter most, and that's that's the young sailors, airmen, soldiers

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Speaker 2: and marines out there serving our country. Many of them

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Speaker 2: to begin with. They got babies, they got families that

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Speaker 2: they're trying to feed, and they're not going to get

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Speaker 2: paid because Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are not are

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Speaker 2: refusing to pass a bill to reopen the government, and that,

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Speaker 2: to me, that's shameful. They they deserve to hear from

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Speaker 2: people that they're going to vote against them, that they're

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Speaker 2: going to hold them accountable for this in the next election.

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Speaker 3: We can't let them get away with it.

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Speaker 1: And what's wild to me, Sena, there is that there

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Speaker 1: are Democrats some of their own voters are going to

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Speaker 1: be affected by this. Not everybody in the armed services

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Speaker 1: There's no way this could be a winning strategy.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Chuck Schumer said last night, he told one

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Speaker 2: of the Washington DC reporters that this is going really

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Speaker 2: well for Democrats. Every day is getting better for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, what a shallow thing to say when

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Speaker 2: we have military people all over the country not getting paid.

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Speaker 2: They're intentionally reading the most important people in our country,

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Speaker 2: the people wearing wearing the uniforms serving our country, many

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Speaker 2: begin with. And Chuck Schumer says this is going and Chris.

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Speaker 3: It's not going well for the people who who who.

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Speaker 2: They're screwing over in the process. So it goes beyond that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about if you're if you live in

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, one one more note that the

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Speaker 3: A memo earlier this week, and I thought it was

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Speaker 2: They said that furloughed federal government employees aren't necessarily entitled

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Speaker 2: these shutdowns before and federal employees in Washington go home

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Speaker 3: Are you doing to us?

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Speaker 2: So I think there are there are big effects here

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Speaker 2: imagine they're having some tough conversations in their private Fu

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Speaker 3: But that hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Is Schumer really calling the shots? I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: you don't spend probably a lot of time, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think he just nailed it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's worried about AOC running against him in

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Speaker 2: true because back in March, Chuck Schumer voted for this

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Speaker 2: exact same spending bill that we're just asking to carry

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Speaker 2: So he's inconsistent. Why is he inconsistent because back in

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Speaker 2: doing it because of pure politics. He's afraid of the radicals.

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Speaker 2: That's how radical and how to touch this Democrat Party

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Speaker 2: It's really shameful and it should be embarrassing for him.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to Senator Jim Banks here on the Hammer In

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Speaker 1: Nigel Show. Senator I mentioned earlier that I'm a little

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Speaker 1: disappointed that this whole spying scandal isn't a much bigger

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you had nine senators that the that

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Speaker 2: So you're right, I mean, this is a this is

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Speaker 2: a huge scandal. And President Trump is focused on reopening

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Speaker 2: We've seen a few others, but there there are a

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Speaker 2: The media doesn't want to talk about it because there

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media is complicit in all this. They covered

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Speaker 1: And I we got about a minute left here. I

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Speaker 2: Well, again, one of this is one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: I am not making this up.

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Speaker 2: The Census has admitted it by using this privacy formula

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Speaker 3: Why is that important?

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Speaker 2: If you if you played this out, Donald Trump would

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Speaker 2: to take this into account as a state like Indiana.

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Speaker 2: The numbers that they used back after the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: census to draw the lines to begin with, used this

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Speaker 2: privacy formula that counted illegals, so that they use back

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Speaker 2: then was flawed. Anyway, there is real justification for Indiana

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Speaker 2: to redraw our maps, and I think this scandal proves it.

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Speaker 2: We can't sit back and capitulate and give into the

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Speaker 2: Democrats and let them steal congressional seats that could give

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Speaker 2: them the majority, which would give us another Speaker Pelosi

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Speaker 2: or Speaker Jeffrees Democrat speaker that will impeach Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: over the next two years if they get the majority,

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Speaker 2: or even take away Electoral College votes and steal presidential

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Speaker 2: races in the future. Because they manipulated the census data,

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Speaker 2: we need a new census. President Trump has called for that,

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, release the raw data and figure

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Speaker 2: out how to put a citizenship question on all future

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Speaker 2: census efforts, whether that comes now or the next time

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Speaker 2: it's scheduled to come in twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff going on, Senator Jim Banks. Might

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Speaker 1: not be the most popular stories we're talking about right now,

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Speaker 1: government shutdown scandal, you know, read district controversy, but we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to join us. Hopefully when

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Speaker 1: you come back here in a couple of weeks, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about how the Cubs came back from

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Speaker 1: a two to zero deficit. How does that sound?

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Speaker 3: That's right, go Cubs, you got it. Have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,