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Speaker 1: at least, not only for those schools that eked their

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Speaker 1: to this program, Eddie, breaking news if you happen to

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Speaker 1: terms of this program, because it's happened since we last

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Speaker 1: Mada announcing today that he is retiring from coaching in

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Speaker 1: college basketball. Of course, a fabulous career began with his

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Speaker 1: Mike Conleague, Greg Odin a pair of Final four appearances

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Speaker 1: and we can get into some of this. But let

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Speaker 1: And the name that I had heard the most, and

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Speaker 1: The house coldbrew coffee guest line, Mike, bottom line, It

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Speaker 1: basically is Christmas season. Man, here it is and you

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Speaker 2: I am, well, Jake. But you know the difference is

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Speaker 2: and I'm still working for the next month at least.

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Speaker 1: And he was very highly I mean he was really

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Speaker 1: So Mike, one of the places that Mike de COURSI

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Speaker 2: I think that first of all, Sad when he left

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Speaker 2: He fought through it at Butler, but it just he

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Speaker 2: Offense hasn't really been a problem for this Purdue team situationally, maybe,

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Speaker 1: Was the issue. Mike de Coursi is my guest Java

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Speaker 1: So who do you have out of that region?

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Speaker 1: be this team because of the way that Patino can defend.

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Speaker 1: But give me a team that plays a style that

435
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Speaker 1: is going to be the most unique and therefore they

436
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Speaker 1: have the highest odds that each matchup they have their

437
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Speaker 1: style is going to catch somewhat off guard because it

438
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Speaker 1: is just so seldomly replicated across the country.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the team that is most uncommon is Iowa.

440
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Speaker 2: But I don't think that they're talented enough to make

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Speaker 2: it stand up for more than one round. They don't

442
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Speaker 2: have the size. They certainly are talent enough at the

443
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Speaker 2: point guard position. Benister is phenomenal, but I don't think

444
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Speaker 2: they have enough physicality beyond that. But that's the team

445
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Speaker 2: that could make that I think will win a game

446
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: and could win two, but probably won't because of the

447
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Speaker 2: limitations I discussed. That's I don't think we have a

448
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Speaker 2: Syracuse in the field, a Beheim Syracuse, wherein they not

449
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Speaker 2: only have that zone that only teams in their league

450
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Speaker 2: really were comfortable and familiar with, but also significant talent

451
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Speaker 2: to the CJ Fairs and the Carmelo Anthony's and going

452
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Speaker 2: all the way back to Derek Coleman, etc. That could

453
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Speaker 2: make that zone not only problematic but also then overpower

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Speaker 2: you at the other end as well. I don't think

455
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Speaker 2: they really have that. There's a team in this field

456
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Speaker 2: that feels like that. To me, there's a lot more

457
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Speaker 2: similarity in college basketball now than there used to be.

458
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Speaker 2: But I will say that I think that the teams

459
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Speaker 2: that are in the Big Ten have probably been the

460
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Speaker 2: most rounded in that respect in terms of preparation. Because

461
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Speaker 2: Minnesota had to go to zone because of all the

462
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Speaker 2: injuries they had, and they played zone almost exclusively. They

463
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Speaker 2: were never a great zone team, but look, they beat

464
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Speaker 2: UCLA two weeks ago, so they certainly are capable. They

465
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Speaker 2: were capable of making you work if you were a

466
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Speaker 2: They also beat Michigan State this year.

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Speaker 4: See, so it was.

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Speaker 2: At least a significant enough challenge that the two of

469
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Speaker 2: the teams that are in the field couldn't conquer it.

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Speaker 2: And then I mentioned the Iowa challenge of having to

471
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Speaker 2: be dealing with the starts question and how they play

472
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Speaker 2: and the pace they play. And then the Wisconsin deal

473
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Speaker 2: where the two guards having to cope with them, especially

474
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Speaker 2: Boyd and his left hand, and their ability now to

475
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Speaker 2: just basically attack you from three point range. I don't

476
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Speaker 2: think I've seen a team that over the last several

477
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Speaker 2: seasons that could get in a lead or be in

478
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Speaker 2: a game while shooting and scoring almost exclusively in some

479
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Speaker 2: instances from three point range. You look at that halftime

480
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Speaker 2: box of the Purdue game. I mean, I think they've

481
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Speaker 2: made four field goals inside the three point arc and

482
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Speaker 2: they'd scored like fifty five points or something like that.

483
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Speaker 1: Okay, last, Mike, I want you to tell me, and

484
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Speaker 1: don't tell me the school, the school that you have

485
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Speaker 1: winning the national championship this year that will be cutting

486
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Speaker 1: down the nets at the Final four in Indianapolis. I

487
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: want you to tell me, currently the most popular professional

488
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: athlete in the state that that school represents.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, ah, gosh, Devin Booker.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay, Devin Booker, who I thought the other night

491
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: was going to break his own scoring record at Gambridge

492
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Speaker 1: Field House of sixty two points for an opponent in

493
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Speaker 1: a game. So that means things go well for teams

494
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Speaker 1: from the Valley of the Sun. Meaning Mike Decorsi says

495
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Speaker 1: that like it was in nineteen ninety seven, Arizona will

496
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Speaker 1: win the national championship in Indianapolis. We shall see right

497
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Speaker 1: there in INDI.

498
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Speaker 2: Yes, it won't be at the old RCA Dome, but

499
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Speaker 2: Lucas Soil Stadium. And what I remember about that night

500
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Speaker 2: was it sound like there was a constant wind blowing

501
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: through the RCA Dome. And I know obviously there, well

502
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: that's right, those but they had I don't know. I

503
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: don't know if it was the vending system or something

504
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: of It's not like the wind was blowing all night.

505
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Speaker 2: Lucas Oil doesn't have that problem unless they open the windows.

506
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Hey, I know they wont. Miles Simon didn't have that

507
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: problem either, let me tell you that much, right. But

508
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: he get to that.

509
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: Because he put the ball on the floor all the

510
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: time and got to the lane. I don't think he

511
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: had a ton of threes that night.

512
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Speaker 1: Lightning in a bottle and that's in that final four though,

513
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: no question.

514
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Speaker 2: Let me say this before we go. I am so

515
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: excited to be coming back to Indy. Every final four

516
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: should be in Indianapolis. There is no second place in

517
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Speaker 2: terms of the best place to hold the final four,

518
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: and so really excited to be coming back to town for this.

519
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Well, we love it, Mike, and I appreciate your time

520
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: coming on and obviously we will be looking for you

521
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: BTA Network, watching it on Twitter at TSN Mike and

522
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Sportingnews dot com where you can read his column as well.

523
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Mike, Thank you very much. Shake all right, Mike,

524
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: of course he joined me Jaba House, cold Brew Coffee

525
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: guest ligne. All right, Ton to get to Ton, to

526
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: get to including Eddie. Are you ready for it? Do

527
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: you have some of the sounders people? Kids go crazy

528
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: for this? We literally I was. I had planes, trains

529
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and automobiles coming back from Dallas and literally do you

530
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: want to know what got me back aside from the airplane, Eddie,

531
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, but the DFW airport

532
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Right now, there's all kinds. It's just literally mayhem down there.

533
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: And then you had weather here, and last night the

534
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: weather was not great and flights were canceled all over

535
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Speaker 1: the place, and I was on a later flight that

536
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: ended up getting canceled. They were going to have me

537
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: fly back tonight. You know what got me back here today, Eddie?

538
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: So that you could see this beautiful lobstered face and

539
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I could give blood this morning for a blood raw.

540
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what got me back?

541
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Speaker 6: I'm going to guess your anticipation of all the sounders

542
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Speaker 6: that I have for our numbers game.

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00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: You are correct, the gate agent when I went up

544
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and said, is there any way I can get on

545
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Speaker 1: standby on an earlier flight to try to get back

546
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Speaker 1: in time? And the lady said, sir, this is DFW like.

547
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: Look around you. Everyone here is trying to get back

548
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: in time. And I said, I understand. She said I'll

549
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Speaker 1: take your last name and I said query and she said, oh,

550
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Are you doing the numbers game tomorrow?

551
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: And I said yes, we are the numbers game for

552
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament. And she said, oh my gosh, my

553
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: kids they love it. And I said, oh, so you

554
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: live in Indian just and no, I work in Dallas,

555
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: but it's nationwide. Here. Here's how we're doing this. We

556
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: do it every year, and I'm not saying we're gonna

557
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: do it right next but people go bonkers for it.

558
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: We do it for the eighty five hundred. We do

559
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Speaker 1: it for the NCAA Tournament. And it's very simple. We

560
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: have randomly assigned a number for all sixty eight teams

561
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Speaker 1: in the NCAA Tournament. You give me a number, I

562
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: give you that team three ways to win three of them. Okay,

563
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: you can be the double digit seed to advance the

564
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Speaker 1: furthest and then in the event of a tiebreaker, if

565
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: like two eleven seeds both make it to the Elite eight,

566
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Speaker 1: first tiebreaker is the one that loses by fewer points.

567
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Second tiebreaker the one that loses to the better seed.

568
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Third tiebreaker then would be total number of wins on

569
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Speaker 1: the season. But so you could be lowest digit seed

570
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: to advance the furthest. You could be the team that

571
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Speaker 1: gets blown out by the largest margin in the tournament,

572
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: or you can get the champion. All three if you win,

573
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: I Jake Query personally will go and buy a hat

574
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Speaker 1: of said team that you can then proudly wear around

575
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Speaker 1: and people are like, so, just out of curiosity, why

576
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Speaker 1: are you wearing a North Dakota State hat. Oh they

577
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Speaker 1: got to be by forty eight the tournament and I

578
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: won that on Quernica. Fabulous, great conversation piece. Envy of

579
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Speaker 1: your friends, and then the course the grand prize will

580
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: be not only do you get the hat, but we're

581
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: going to set you up with dinner at Chicago's Pizza.

582
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: We're going to set you up with some Java house

583
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: coffee and again the envy of your friends. And it's

584
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Speaker 1: all about giving you a reason to root for something

585
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: other than just the team you.

586
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: Typically root for.

587
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Speaker 1: It's the spirit of the competition and there's no wagering

588
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: because its you nothing. So that's what we're going to

589
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: do over the course of today, Big show lined up,

590
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: though Mike Chap'll going to join us about one o'clock.

591
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Will get a quick rehash just on where things stand.

592
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: There is news in the NFL today as well. For

593
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: that matter, there is a quarterback that has been traded

594
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: and maybe it's the third chance to get some juice

595
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: and he's going to a spot where if you want

596
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: an offensive shot in the arm, he's going to the

597
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: right place to do it. We'll get into that with

598
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Speaker 1: chap Nick Gardner going to join US Butler Basketball and

599
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: the Butler Radio Network to talk about the situation with

600
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: that Mada Tom Crean coming up two o'clock hour as well,

601
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Speaker 1: So we will tell you what qb NFL is on

602
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: the move next now when we try to figure things out,

603
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to Chap about this coming up. What's

604
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: one of the things we've been talking about with the

605
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Colts that has been of note or analyzed or interpreted,

606
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and that is what will the Colts get for Anthony Richardson?

607
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Speaker 1: What is the trade value for Anthony Richardson? Eddie, if

608
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: you could please look up for me Anthony Richardson's career stats. Okay,

609
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little compare and contrast here. If

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Speaker 1: you look up Anthony Richardson's career stats, tell me the

611
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Speaker 1: number of starts.

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Speaker 6: Oh, this is funny, Anthony Richardson. Are we looking at

613
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Speaker 6: junior or senior?

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Speaker 5: Junior?

615
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 6: Nothing senior.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, You're welcome. Somebody got mad at me for

617
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: pointing that out the other day. Like enough, we've heard it.

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00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I find it odd though. Anthony Richardson's senior Sorry, okay,

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Speaker 1: so number of starts in his career I'm waiting.

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Speaker 6: Hold on starts made and his career.

621
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Speaker 1: Fifteen okay, completion percentage.

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Speaker 6: Career, fifty point six.

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Speaker 1: Touchdowns, passing touchdo downs, eleven interceptions, thirteen rushing yards.

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Speaker 6: Rushing yards for Anthony Richardson six hundred and thirty four okay,

625
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 6: and ten rushing touchdowns, two fumbles lost.

626
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Compare that to the following fifty three starts, sixty one

627
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Speaker 1: percent completion percentage, fifty two touchdowns, thirty two interceptions, and

628
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: twelve hundred and twenty four yards. That is the career

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Speaker 1: synopsis that I gave you of Justin Fields, who was

630
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Speaker 1: traded to the Kansas City Chiefs for a sixth round pick.

631
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Speaker 1: This is a guy that has started at least thirteen

632
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Speaker 1: games in the first three three years of his career

633
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: and then fifteen in the last two years, and he

634
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: got a sixth round pick. It makes for it, and

635
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize that Richardson's completion percentage was that low.

636
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: I knew it was low, I didn't realize it was

637
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Speaker 1: that low. But Justin Field's on his way to Kansas

638
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: City obviously, to keep the seat warm for Patrick Mahomes

639
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and going to go and that allows them to kind

640
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Speaker 1: of maintain that same offense, if you will, you know

641
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Speaker 1: what I mean, because Fields is I think he's able

642
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: to play the similar kind of system that you know,

643
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: the rollouts and things like that that Mahomes has become

644
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: accustomed to. Obviously not at the level of Mahomes, but

645
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: nonetheless you have it.

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Speaker 6: I think, Jake part of this is in terms of

647
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 6: salary cap and money, because if the Jets released him

648
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 6: straight up, they would have had to eat ten million

649
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 6: dollars in guarantee money. By trading him, they only have

650
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Speaker 6: to pay him seven million, City takes the other three

651
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 6: and they also get a six round pick for twenty

652
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 6: twenty seven.

653
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: But what I mean honestly, and we'll talk with Chap

654
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: about this coming up, but you know, just in terms

655
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: of what realistically would be Richardson's trade value, does the

656
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: which looks more bizarre on me right now, by the way,

657
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: the wind, sunburn or the band aid on.

658
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 6: My arm, I would say the sunburn because your your

659
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 6: sleeves are a little shorter than whatever shirt you were

660
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 6: wearing yesterday. So Farmers Tan, yeah, you're showing off that

661
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 6: Farmers Tan.

662
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of it may be Windburn. The Indy Car

663
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: debut in Arlington, and this was around. It was a

664
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: street course race, meaning a temporary circuit made up of

665
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: actual city streets, and it went around at and T Stadium,

666
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Jerry's World as we call it, and then between the

667
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers two stadiums, the old one that they had

668
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: that they've actually had three stadiums, but the ballpark in

669
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: Arlington which was built in ninety four and is now

670
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: chalk taw Field, and I think they have like the

671
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: UFL played there and some college soccer has played there.

672
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: It still looks like a brand new baseball diamond. It's crazy.

673
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: The stadium looks brand new. And I was on the

674
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: balcony of said stadium because the street circuit for IndyCar

675
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: went right between the two stadiums because across the street

676
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: is Globe Field, I think it's called Globe Field, Globe

677
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: Life Globe Life Field. That's where the Rangers new stadium

678
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: is since twenty twenty. But it was absolutely that as

679
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: an event. I can't speak for you know how good

680
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: the racing was because I only was seeing one corner

681
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: of it and that track was so massive. I couldn't

682
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: see the action aside from that, but it seemed like

683
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: people enjoyed the action of it. Kyle Kirk would be getting

684
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: the win, I think largely because we had him on

685
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: the show, right, it did him well, that's right. But

686
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: it was sold out, It was absolutely packed, and the

687
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: weather was great. It was super windy. They moved the

688
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: start time up yesterday because of the anticipated win, and

689
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: it was actually windy or probably earlier on than it

690
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: was at the end of the race. But you can't

691
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: predict that. But it was a travel one of those

692
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: weird travel nightmares getting back. But thankfully we did get back,

693
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: hopped on an earlier flight, got back, Otherwise Eddie would

694
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: be missing me for like two days. Eddie, you said

695
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: you put your twenty first birthday in that stadium.

696
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: I did, and I did spend my twenty first birthday

697
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 6: in that stadium. How did you pick Texas Rangers?

698
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: How did you pick a Texas Rangers game to go

699
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: to for your twenty first birthday?

700
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 6: So, when I was at the University of Indianapolis in college,

701
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 6: I was on the student management radio team, and as

702
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: a part of the student radio management team, we would

703
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 6: go to a conference in the fall and a conference

704
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 6: in the spring. The conference in the fall just so

705
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: happened to be down there in Dallas, Texas and Mark Forrester,

706
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 6: who works up in months easy and you grant you.

707
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 6: And I connected with him down there and he was like, hey,

708
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 6: you want to I know you're a big baseball guy.

709
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 6: Are you interested in going to see the Texas Rangers

710
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 6: game at all? I was like, sure, why not? You know,

711
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: I haven't been to the park and I got nothing

712
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 6: else to do that night, so yeah, let's go. And

713
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 6: he didn't know it at the time, but it was

714
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 6: my twenty first birthday and he bought me my first

715
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 6: legal beer.

716
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Did you sit in the section that was the all

717
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: you can eat? I don't even know what section that is?

718
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Right field, upper right fist.

719
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: No, we sat up top behind home plate.

720
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Who'd they play?

721
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 6: Honestly, I can't even remember.

722
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Hold on, how old are you? Twenty seven? When's your birthday?

723
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 6: September twenty fourth, So.

724
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: You were born on nine to twenty four of ninety eight,

725
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: ninety eight, Yes, nineteen ninety eight, Texas Rangers. All right,

726
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: we're going to see who I'm going to guess, right, now,

727
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that you saw them play the

728
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners. That is my guest. You saw them play

729
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: the Seattle Did they win or lose? Do you remember that?

730
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 6: I don't think we stayed for the entirety of the game.

731
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't think so.

732
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

733
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Is that because he bought more than just one of

734
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: your first legal beers? I know? Are you sure?

735
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 6: I'm sure?

736
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: All right, we'll look it up and I will tell

737
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: you who they played and when do we have the

738
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Sounders ready, Eddie for our big numbers debut. I will

739
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: let you, as the captain, determine. You can tell me

740
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: on the other side. What Oddly enough, I guess the

741
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: Mariners and the Rangers played the Mariners on the day

742
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: you were born.

743
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 6: There you go.

744
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: But they're playing the Red Sox on the day you

745
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: turned twenty one.

746
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 6: So what you're saying is me and Seattle were meant

747
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 6: to be.

748
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: That's correct. You kind of like the Mariners, don't you.

749
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

750
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 6: You know, I would say they're my American League team.

751
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: Really? Yeah?

752
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Okay, who's your final four, Eddie?

753
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 6: I haven't made a bracket yet.

754
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Let me tell you the I'd like to know this

755
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: if I'm the only one that falls into this category.

756
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 6: But I can give you one team that I know

757
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 6: that will be in my final four, okay, because I

758
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 6: think they're winning at all. I mean Arizona.

759
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: You're with Mike de Courci on this right, Yes.

760
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 6: They've been the most consistently dominant team all season long,

761
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: kind of like Yukon was whatever that was two years ago.

762
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Here is my bracket observation, and brackets are a little

763
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: bit admittedly like your fantasy team, right, but it is.

764
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's a major topic of conversation this time

765
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: of year that unifies offices and groups and friends and

766
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: whatever else. The only right now netpick I have. This

767
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: year's INCAA selection Sunday, to me, was disappointing is the

768
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: wrong word. But we didn't have Eddie. Like the main

769
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: there's always a team that everyone's like, I can't believe

770
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: they didn't get in, or this team shouldn't be there,

771
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: or this team got robbed on their seating, or oh

772
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, look at the incredible matchup here storyline. This

773
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: seemed to be a year where everybody was pretty cool

774
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: with the entire selection, right.

775
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 6: Pretty sure Bruce Pearl would disagree with you, but that's about.

776
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: It, which unifies the country because everybody's like, yeah, dude,

777
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: enough right, yeah we played. How about Auburn hosting a

778
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: thing about how they played seventeen quad one games or

779
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: something like that. They were like three and fourteen in

780
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: those seventeen games. Great? Like what am I supposed to do?

781
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to like out about how many, like

782
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: five of the seven hottest girls at North Central I

783
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: asked out as a senior. Should I have a T

784
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: shirt that says that one of them went on a

785
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: date with me? And it happened and there was not

786
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: a second date? Great? Congratulations? I mean, what are we

787
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: doing here? My biggest nitpick with the brackets, especially if

788
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: you look at the bracket, like there's a you printed

789
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: me out of bracket, right, I had you print me

790
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: out of bracket and it's the USA Today ESPN Bracket Challenge. Okay,

791
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: that's cool, right, But the way they've got it, are

792
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: you looking at the brackets you printed out for me?

793
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: By chance, Eddie, I have it up. I'll tell you

794
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: what drives me nuts. It's got the two games and

795
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: then the little blue line to connect you to the

796
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: next thing, and those are just bracket holders, and that's

797
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: where I want to write down the name of the team.

798
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: And then I get like halfway through it, and I

799
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: screwed it up because I'm writing on the wrong lines.

800
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait aboute Who's playing who here?

801
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: It's very confused. This is not rocket science. Limit the

802
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: number of lines that are on the bracket. Please. All

803
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: we need is the three lines that have the little thing,

804
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: and then you know that's it. What was that you said, Eddie.

805
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Eddie's telling me I need to break Yeah.

806
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 6: I'm trying to work on these numbers, Dad, trying to

807
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 6: get as many as we possibly can.

808
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: People go crazy for the number game.

809
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 6: I know they go crazy for the number game, but

810
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 6: you and I go crazy for the sounders.

811
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: And I need to know. I need to set the

812
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: parameters here. We cannot give away numbers via text. It's

813
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: got to be you got to call in at two, three, nine,

814
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: ten seventy. That's number one, and then number two. You

815
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: got to just give me a number and then I'll

816
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: give you the school that's a signed to that number.

817
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: And there are three ways to win. I think, Eddie,

818
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: that we should begin this around what time do you think,

819
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: Nick Gard's gonna join us one thirty, one fifteen we

820
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: do our first set and give away six.

821
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 6: We got Chappell coming up on right, yeah, one fifteen, right, Yeah,

822
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: there's a couple that I want to get in here

823
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 6: before we start rolling off these. I think I need

824
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 6: three more than I absolutely have to get in here.

825
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 5: Really.

826
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

827
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: These are sounders that let people know who they got

828
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: once they For example, if you get uh, two lane,

829
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: two lane's not in it, but if they were, we

830
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: would play a sound effect of a large crashing wave, right,

831
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: because aren't they the the what are they the green waves?

832
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 6: Yes, two lanes of the mean green wave.

833
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, mean Greens Texas. Right. I didn't think North Texas,

834
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: North Texas is mean green right, because that's where men

835
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Jo Green went. I don't know, all right, Mike Chapel

836
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: other side, Justin Fields on his way to Kansas City.

837
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: What's that tell us about Anthony Richardson? And are there

838
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: still little clean up moves to be made for the Colts?

839
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: We'll let you know next to think that tomorrow is

840
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day and it's literally going to be we

841
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: go for our annual Guinness at Connors and it's going

842
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: to be like twenty five degrees. And then when I

843
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: think of I think part of the the love of

844
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament and March maddness comes with the fact

845
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: that it just reminds everybody like that's when the weather

846
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: finally breaks and you're out of the doldrum of winter

847
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: and it's suddenly a nice, beautiful day and you're kind

848
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: of skip worker, skip school a little bit early that day,

849
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: watch the early games, and you get the weekend. There's

850
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: games going until like ten thirty eleven o'clock at night.

851
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Then the second weekend comes around, You're like,

852
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: wait a minute, aren't there supposed to be more games.

853
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I gosh, I forgot. We went from

854
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: X number of games now to half that and you

855
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: move along. But Spring break, all of it great time

856
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: of year, and of course it's also coming right off

857
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: of and still in the midst of NFL Free Agency.

858
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Colebrew Coffee guest

859
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: line from CBS four and wx I in Fox fifty nine,

860
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: and we're going to give away numbers starting out here

861
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: in about fifteen minutes, So brace yourself for that fun.

862
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: But Mike Chappel joins us beforehand, chap I will begin

863
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: with this. We just saw that Justin Fields was traded

864
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: to Kansas City for a sixth rounder. Does that provide

865
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: any sort of glimpse And if so, for me, it

866
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: would be not necessarily positive on the overall value of

867
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: what Anthony Richardson could fetch.

868
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking of five all along. And you know,

869
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 5: and again, as do I say, whether it's trade or

870
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: free agency, a guy's value is what some team will pay.

871
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

872
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: And then it's been a few years, but Dallas gave

873
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 5: up a four for Trey Lance and ar has got more,

874
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: you know, has has done more in the NFL than

875
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 5: Trey Lance did. Well, you have to find a team, uh,

876
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 5: that's interested in taking on what would a guy with

877
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: the men's potential and and and issues. Yeah, I gain.

878
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 5: It's funny. I I got my grandson, Uh, we've got

879
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: a bet and for ten bucks that he believes a

880
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 5: r I will get a four. And I said, I said,

881
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 5: there's no way, no way, So we'll see. But yeah,

882
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: I think it should tell people that don't expect to

883
00:47:53,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: get especially when it's obvious that a team doesn't expect

884
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 5: this got to be part of their future. Now, whether

885
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 5: they'll cut they are failing a trade, I don't know,

886
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: but it's very clear that he doesn't has not been

887
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 5: kind of put into their future future plans which automatically

888
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 5: touch your value. So you think if I I would,

889
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 5: I would think that's really good. A four would be

890
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 5: I would say, you are you kidding? The type of thing.

891
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, people need to people need to understand that

892
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 5: you just don't get followed the draft picks for players that,

893
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: no matter how good you think they might be in

894
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 5: a year or two, that you're willing to get rid of.

895
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: One of the areas that it appears as though, and

896
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because it's just an area

897
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard covets so much and prioritizes, or it's

898
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: one that he just is still waiting for the right combination.

899
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: But are they kind of quietly retooling their D line here?

900
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: Chap, yes, And he told us they we're going to uh.

901
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: He said that he's younger and faster, he said, the

902
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: front seven, which includes the linebackers. But you know, they

903
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: they've lost abcom They've lost They're gonna lose uh uh

904
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 5: Quittie Pay they lost him Taekwon Lewis. Uh so, yeah,

905
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 5: they're and they signed what I'm sitting here, say, I'm

906
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 5: doing a story now, trying to recap everything's going on.

907
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 5: They they've added four d linemen I believe it is.

908
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: Is it two ends and two tackles or whatever. But

909
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: but they're all primarily rotational and depth guys. Argent key

910
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: until you see something different. Argantee, probably you're starting in

911
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 5: opposite law to I. Still they still need Russia. I

912
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 5: you know, I if Minnesota wants to get get rid

913
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: of Jonathan Grenard, you know, send him here and figure

914
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 5: out the compensation. I would overpay draft pick wise for him,

915
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 5: just because it's something you need. He said, I think

916
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 5: you had down your last I think he missed some games.

917
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 5: But he's had twelve and a half sacks twice. You know,

918
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 5: players not named Matheson Freeny don't have twelve and a

919
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 5: half sacks here, So you need that guy. And but

920
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: but again, and one thing I pointed out in this

921
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 5: story I'm doing is, you know, we're early a week

922
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: into free agency, so there's plenty of time. It's just

923
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: that when you're deep this deep into free agency that

924
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 5: most of the most of the main guys that you

925
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 5: consider main guys are gone. You know what you want

926
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 5: Joy Bosa, I mean you take him on to you

927
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: can be that your trainers can handle his next injury.

928
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: I don't know so, but now that there's still work

929
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 5: to do. But again, yes, back on aar. They need,

930
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: they need to do something. And the defensive line, we

931
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 5: knew they were going to redo this and it's it's

932
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 5: a huge, huge feel that the Forrest Buckner is coming back.

933
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 5: Ballard told us that at the combine that that was

934
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 5: the intention. He feels good, and they is guaranteed like

935
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 5: a ten million dollars roster bonus for for buck as well.

936
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 5: So he's but at some point you can't to replace him.

937
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 5: He's getting older, good grovers tours getting older. So they'll

938
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 5: never ever ever ignore defensive line. Offensive line, they just

939
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: won't because if you can't, you know, protect the quarterback

940
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: and run the ball on offense, you're dead. And you

941
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: can't get after the quarterback or stop the run, you

942
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: can't play defense. And we've seen we've seen that too

943
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: often here. So they're not done. I I'm not really

944
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 5: in favor of using a second or third round pick

945
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 5: on a defensive end. I mean, how many you know,

946
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: how many swings and misses do you need before you

947
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 5: before whatever whatever, whatever you guys, whatever you do in

948
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 5: evaluations is not working. So but yeah, it's the defensive

949
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 5: line needed work. It's gotten some work, but it's still

950
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 5: needs that one more missing piece.

951
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: They've added two pieces, seemingly to back up or spell

952
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: relief for Grover Stewart, whose contract he's got a year

953
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: left on. It's been a really good player, obviously. And

954
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: again I'm gonna go back to something I mentioned last week.

955
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: Is that just insurance policy? And I'm hoping I'm saying

956
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: his name correctly. Derek Naughty, I believe is the last

957
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: name that I'm saying it correctly. But you know, is

958
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: that insurance policy there, or is that Hey, we've got

959
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that we've got ducks in a row

960
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: just in case Stewart for some reason moves on is

961
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: not available, et cetera. And I'm thinking contractually when I

962
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: ask it that.

963
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 5: Way, well, I don't think they saw, hey, forget this guy,

964
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 5: then when Buck's gone, we can this guy can move in.

965
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 5: And that's not it. This is like primarily this year

966
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 5: and they wanted to get quality or experienced depth behind

967
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 5: Buck and and Grover. I don't think this is any

968
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 5: reflection either one of these guys is that they brought

969
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: in or even remotely long term parts of what they're

970
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 5: doing here. It's just that even if Buck is here

971
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 5: and plays for seventeen games, maybe he plays sixty percent

972
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: of the time. So they rotate guys in there, and

973
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 5: unless it's funny, unlike the offensive line who plays every play,

974
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 5: the defensive line, you know they they'll play sixty sixty

975
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 5: five percent, And if you don't have good people behind him,

976
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 5: then when those guys are sitting, it's funny. I remember

977
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 5: when the Colt went to Houston last year for the

978
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 5: last game, and you know, we were talking to Shane

979
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 5: Sticking about, you know, whether Houston would have their starters

980
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 5: out there or how they'd rest their their they're really

981
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 5: good ends. He mentioned then. I understand he said that

982
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 5: that he wouldn't take note of when they're big pass rushers,

983
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 5: they Anderson and the other guy. When they were off.

984
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 5: He said, when they're off, we're gonna take shots. So

985
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 5: if there's if there's a rop off in in efficiency

986
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 5: or disruption when you have your guys out of there.

987
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 5: People are going to notice it and they'll take advantage

988
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 5: of us. So they need to get better. They're gonna

989
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 5: miss Taekwon Lewis. I mean, he's he's he didn't have

990
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: quite the year he normally had last year, but but

991
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 5: he's been really good situationally and where he can play

992
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 5: multiple positions. But but they need eight or nine guys

993
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: on the defensive line on game because that's how they

994
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 5: use them. But these guys again, you just need people

995
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 5: behind Grover. You need people. You know, Buck missed a

996
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: bunch of games last year and and it showed. It

997
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 5: just showed. So you need better people behind them. And

998
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 5: that's what they hope they've got.

999
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Chap in terms of the big splashes, the

1000
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: big you know, I was on a flight last night.

1001
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: The pilot comes on, ass folks, give me a little turbulent.

1002
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: I got some storms going through. So you're you're waiting

1003
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: for it, right, You're waiting for the jostle and the

1004
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: up and down. It's always fun, right are we through?

1005
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: And then and then you get back into the calm air.

1006
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: In terms of big splashes here for the Colts in

1007
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: this off season, have we weathered through the turbine that time.

1008
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: Well probably, Uh, getting getting Jones and Piercedown were monster.

1009
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: I mean, they made it clear that you know from

1010
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 5: the start that those are two priorities, and until they

1011
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 5: got done, you didn't know they were going to get done.

1012
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 5: I think the Colts were closer to losing Pierson people believe,

1013
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 5: but to me, the only news you know, I mean,

1014
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 5: I mean, where where it'll take it'll raise eyebrows at

1015
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: least nationally, is for riches to be traded. And if

1016
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: they if they finded a way to get a pass rusher,

1017
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 5: which again the main thing, there's going to be a

1018
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 5: trade probably and let's just say that if they would

1019
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: get Grenard and I'm not saying they said feeders or

1020
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: talks or anything. I'm just saying they do, that would

1021
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 5: be that would be a tremor u nationally. I don't

1022
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 5: know how how much of a tremor because this is

1023
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 5: Indie and they've sort of fallen off the radar, but

1024
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 5: those are the only two that I really would see.

1025
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 5: They're not going to cut anybody else. Uh, you know,

1026
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 5: maybe they re signed Jermaine Pratt that's not going to

1027
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 5: register anywhere. It would help these guys because they need

1028
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: the linebackers. But those are the only two that I

1029
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: really see that people would say, oh, look what the

1030
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 5: cols did.

1031
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: Chap appreciate the time. As always. I'll let you get

1032
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: to filling out your NCAA tournament bracket.

1033
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 5: Have you got your sell out?

1034
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: You know what? I printed it out and then I

1035
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: screwed up on a couple of the lines, and then

1036
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself because it didn't look perfect.

1037
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: But I found myself like just putting a bunch of

1038
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: one and two seeds up there, and then I'll do

1039
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: like three versions till I finally get the one that

1040
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I like.

1041
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 5: But you just you only do one. You only submit one, right.

1042
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: Only you know I don't even submit, Yeah, but I

1043
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: mean I do one, and I'm like, that's my bracket, right.

1044
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, my grandson do like three? Ut yeah,

1045
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 5: not that what I mean. And then you can say, well,

1046
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 5: I got this on right, Well you got two? Yeah,

1047
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 5: you're right, just just do one. Be one of those

1048
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 5: one one one bracket guys.

1049
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: I always look for like two upset teams. I'm going

1050
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: with Northern Iowa as one of my upset teams. Not

1051
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: that anybody cares, but I'm just throwing it out there.

1052
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: And then I think, by you can, oh, Santa Clara,

1053
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Santa Clara makes some noise. Santa Clair's Miami of Ohio

1054
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: win a game or two, that'd be great. Yeah, I mean,

1055
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: especially with all the heat they've taken, be great.

1056
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 5: Apparently they were the last team in is that right?

1057
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I don't understand. Also, u NBC wins their

1058
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: league but then has to play in a playing game.

1059
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a minute, I thought you're automatically in.

1060
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: I don't get that.

1061
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, automatically for a playing game. That makes no sense.

1062
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 5: So you're not automatically in.

1063
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: Correct, don't call it a playing game, if you know

1064
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: what I mean?

1065
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's a play is the first round?

1066
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean the NCAA would be inconsistent. Chap I hear you,

1067
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: I hear you. Be well, buddy, I appreciate it. Mike

1068
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: Chapel joining us from CBS four and w b X.

1069
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: I n all, right, here we go. This is very simple.

1070
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Here's how we do the numbers game. Nick Gardner coming up,

1071
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: Butler Basketball Radio coming up in just a couple of minutes.

1072
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: But we're going to do our first installment. And if

1073
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: you've never heard this before, pay attention, but people go

1074
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: crazy for this. They go bonkers for the numbers game,

1075
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: and kids in particular love it. Every team in the

1076
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament field. Valerie is our official number assigner, but

1077
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: we actually had to skirt around Valerie this year. I

1078
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: apologize for that that. Valerie was busy with work and

1079
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: even though she got them to me, we wanted to

1080
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: get it done just prior to that. My apologies. But

1081
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: here's how we do it. We have sixty eight teams.

1082
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: Every team is randomly assigned a number. You call in,

1083
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: you give me your favorite number, and I will give

1084
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: you the team that that's your team for the tournament.

1085
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: You are assigned to that team. Three ways to win

1086
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and listen, I just came up with this on my

1087
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: own here, so you know, have a heart. Here's the

1088
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: three ways you win. If you get one of the

1089
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: three winning teams, I'm buying you a hat, a hat

1090
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: from that team. You could proudly wear it to all

1091
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: be the envy of your friends. Your friends want to

1092
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: know why it is you're walking around rocking a UNBC hat.

1093
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: It's because you got it. On the Quarium Company Numbers game,

1094
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: and that alone, I mean the street value of that

1095
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: is astronomical. Three ways to win. You either get the

1096
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: team that wins the national Championship. You get the double

1097
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: digit seed to advance the furthest with tiebreakers involved in

1098
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: case two of them both end up in the final four,

1099
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, there are tie breakers involved, but

1100
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: the double digit seed to advance the furthest ten seed

1101
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: or lower, and then of course the team blown out

1102
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: by the largest margin. So the reason I do it

1103
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: that way. If you end up with an eleven seed,

1104
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: you end up with a sixteen seed, or you end

1105
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: up with a power team. All of them give you

1106
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: a chance to win a prize. You get a if

1107
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: you're any of those three, and the grand prize. Not

1108
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: only do you get a hat, I'm sending you to

1109
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: dinner at Chicago's Pizza and setting you up with Java

1110
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: House coffee. That's how we do it. And if you

1111
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: are participating and or waiting in the numbers game, please

1112
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: score at home. What numbers have been taken so that

1113
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: we don't get redundant. All right, here's how we do it.

1114
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: Do We have a caller lined up Bettie We've got

1115
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: five lined up. Yeah, okay, who do we have first?

1116
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 6: We'll start with our loyal listener from Ohio.

1117
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: Mo.

1118
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: Mo from Ohio is leading us off. Hi, Mo, how

1119
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: are you?

1120
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm great? How about you?

1121
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm good?

1122
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: Mo?

1123
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: You know the thing about you on the radio. I

1124
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this or not. You radiate

1125
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: sunshine via the radio. It's negative seventeen degrees and blowing

1126
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: flurries around here. We could use a little Mo in

1127
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: our life, right well, we need to do it.

1128
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: The same thing up here at Ohio.

1129
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: You know what we need is Mo Mo. Basically, it's

1130
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. Okay, what number would you like?

1131
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 4: Mo?

1132
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 5: Forty four?

1133
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: Number forty four for Mo, Mo from Ohio? You got

1134
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: Are you a football fan?

1135
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: Mo?

1136
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: You are right?

1137
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 7: Oh?

1138
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep?

1139
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: Okay. What if I told you that you got the

1140
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: program in college football that recruited the best high school

1141
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: player of my youth, a guy by the name of

1142
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Lars Tate, a running back. Do you know who that is?

1143
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: By chance? I know the name. He replaced a running

1144
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: back by the name of Herschel Walker at the University

1145
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: of Georgia, the Bulldogs. Off the board.

1146
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 6: You could have played on with Tom Crean joining us.

1147
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: At too, Jake, that's right? Two or two thirty two

1148
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: thirty two thirty?

1149
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 6: Good call. I'm glad you know. Thank when our guests

1150
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 6: are coming on?

1151
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, who's next? Well? Dan, listen, I need you

1152
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: to pay attention to Eddie if you could, Dan, how

1153
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: are you?

1154
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 5: I'm great? How are you?

1155
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 4: Guys?

1156
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: We can't complain? Dan? Do you have a number? Do

1157
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: you know the numbers game? Dan? Or are you a

1158
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: fan of the numbers game?

1159
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 5: I have? This is my third year?

1160
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: Oh? Really? Okay? Who did you have last year?

1161
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: Dan?

1162
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember?

1163
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: Uh? No?

1164
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: I always take fourteen for a j foyd.

1165
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: Okay, did you find yourself throughout the tournament? You know,

1166
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: very closely rooting for the team that you got a

1167
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: year ago. So that people you were part of the

1168
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Quarying Company numbers game.

1169
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 5: Some more than I would have if I had that

1170
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 5: dick them.

1171
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate that number fourteen Eddie. Do we happen

1172
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: to have? Okay?

1173
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 4: That is?

1174
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Dan. Do you ever watch

1175
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: USC football?

1176
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: No?

1177
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you do, they play the band always

1178
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: plays this thing done don don don dona, and it

1179
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: has something to do with Troy, which is actually the

1180
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: school that you got. Troy is off the board. Who's next, Eddie.

1181
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 6: Dennis?

1182
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: I believe this might be Dennis the Menace? How are you? Dennis?

1183
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: It is Denis Menas. How you doing, Jake?

1184
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: Dennis? If I'm not mistaken, you were one of our

1185
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: hat winners from a year ago? Am I correct?

1186
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 5: I got the Arkansas hat?

1187
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yep, pitch jewy. Now when you wear that proudly,

1188
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: do you find to be the envy of your friends

1189
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: from a fashion standpoint?

1190
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

1191
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: They're green with envy. That's what I'm talking about. See, Dennis,

1192
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: you're the poster Dennis, You're the one person that's the

1193
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: poster child of the numbers game. And I can't tell

1194
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: you how much I'm elated by that. What number would

1195
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: you like?

1196
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: Yes?

1197
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 4: I will go. I will go with what Brent with

1198
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 4: Braden smith Ward last night.

1199
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Forty one number forty one for ooh buddy, this is

1200
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: solid solid, Dennis the Menace. You got a team that

1201
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: just actually played against your who pig Suey razorbacks Vanderbilt

1202
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: off the board for Dennis. Vanderbilt goes to Dennis. They

1203
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: are the five seed in the south. We got one more, Eddie.

1204
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 6: Let's try to get in the rest of the line.

1205
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 6: We'll go to line three.

1206
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know who line three is.

1207
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 6: I don't either. We're just going round them now, all.

1208
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: Right, Roulette style, Hi, you're on the air. Who's this? Okay?

1209
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 5: Brett?

1210
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: What Brett? You said?

1211
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 5: Brett?

1212
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay? Who's next?

1213
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1214
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: What's that?

1215
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: Brent?

1216
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Is it? Brent? Is Brent in the bottom of the ocean? Brent?

1217
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: How are things in the Atlantic? H see? Okay, let's

1218
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: go to the next one.

1219
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 5: Eddie Jr.

1220
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: Jr. What's up?

1221
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: Hey, Jake?

1222
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 5: How are you?

1223
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking a call.

1224
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm well, thanks, j Are you familiar with the numbers game?

1225
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

1226
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 8: Last year, Eddie's own or Eddie's only friend, Alec took

1227
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 8: sixteen right in front of me on my son's sixteenth birthday.

1228
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: So I'm taking.

1229
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: Sixteen this year.

1230
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: And I think he's friend Alec won.

1231
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, your kid

1232
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: now would be seventeen. Right, that's correct, But I'm gonna

1233
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: go with sixteen, okay, just for the sake of tradition.

1234
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jr.

1235
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 5: You got.

1236
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: Now you would think that means you got Kentucky, but no,

1237
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: they play in Young Brands Arena, which is KFC. You

1238
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: got Louisville, the Cards, the six seed out of the East.

1239
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: Who's next, Eddie? Jeff, Jeff, you're up? Give me a number, Jeff.

1240
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 5: How's it going.

1241
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to take number thirty.

1242
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 5: I wore that in high school.

1243
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: Jeff, but you got right to it. What high school

1244
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: was that, Jeff?

1245
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 4: Cecina.

1246
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: Are you a veteran of the Numbers Game or is

1247
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: this your first go round?

1248
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 5: First go around? I'm on spring break.

1249
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 4: I'm a teacher. We've talked before.

1250
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 5: Uh yeah.

1251
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: Do you find let me ask you this, do you

1252
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: find the Numbers Game to be amateur radio or do

1253
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: you find yourself enthralled?

1254
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 5: Well, I mean all the kids love it. I mean

1255
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 5: my daughter, you know, she's a school right now, but

1256
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 5: she loves it. And why not the number game? Why

1257
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 5: not Indiana?

1258
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Jeff? Let me tell you something, Jeff. You are my

1259
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: new favorite listener and you got, by the way, number

1260
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: thirty for Jeff.

1261
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 4: Eddie?

1262
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: What the heck is that?

1263
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 6: It's that kid who went viral two three years ago.

1264
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 6: It's corn got the corn Huskers?

1265
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Nebraska? You got Nebraska, Jeff Eddie got Eddie's having

1266
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: too much fun. Now now he doesn't own admit it.

1267
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: Eddie acts like he hates this, but deep down you

1268
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: should see the grit on this es.

1269
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 6: I had just enjoyed the research of getting all these

1270
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 6: different times.

1271
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: Listen, Eddie, that's what we do here. Okay. Symbiotic fun

1272
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: is what this show is. That's the theme of this show,

1273
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: symbiotic fun. We used to say educate, entertain. We gave

1274
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: up on the the educate part a long time ago,

1275
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: and entertain is iffy at best.

1276
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 6: I want to give away one more.

1277
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: Okay, who do we have? We've got Bruce, Bruce, how

1278
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: are you good?

1279
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 5: How are you doing?

1280
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm all right, Bruce? What's new in Bruce's world today?

1281
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 5: Just trying to figure out who to take them the brackets?

1282
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: Okay? And then, Bruce, have you called the program before?

1283
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

1284
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: So you actually listened to this radio show I have

1285
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: for years? Is that on purpose or some sort of

1286
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: community service?

1287
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: A little both?

1288
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: Okay? What number would you like? Bruce?

1289
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the best performance ever in the NCAA,

1290
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 5: Bill Walton thirty two.

1291
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: That was although you know what I got news for you.

1292
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: I hate to this to you, even though he obviously

1293
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: went had forty three I think it was forty three

1294
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: against Memphis. He was twenty one to twenty two something

1295
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: like that from the floor. But he actually should have

1296
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: fouled out of the game in the semi finals against

1297
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: Steve Downing for what that's worth. But you said number

1298
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Speaker 1: thirty two, Yes, sir, Bruce, Buddy, I got news for you.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: You're doing all right here, all right? Because you couldn't tell,

1301
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: but that sounded like a hawk and it was a

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: red one.

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 6: That's a red tailed hawk.

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: And that's a red tailed hawk. That's correct. The Red

1305
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: Hawks of Miami thirty one and one, Buddy Travis Steele

1306
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: their head coach. And could he be somebody in line

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01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: for Butler. We're going to find out about exactly that

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: because Nick Gardner joins us from the Butler Basketball Radio Network.

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: Other Side, Nick Gardner for the Butler Basketball Radio Network

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: set to join us in just a minute here, you know,

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: Tom Crean's going to join us at two thirty, and

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01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: I'll just ask him if he has interested in the

1313
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: Butler job, because several people have mentioned that he would be.

1314
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: That seems like it would be a good fit. Actually,

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: I would think that Ronald Norid would be a very

1316
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: high possibility. And Travis Steele, who was at Xavier obviously

1317
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: now is at Miami, has history not only with that

1318
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: Mada with Xavier, with Butler. You know, with student at Butler,

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01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: his name will be mentioned. But I just I hear

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: more and more that he probably is not as likely

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01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: a candidate as one would assume. So we shall see

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01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: what comes with that. Jake Tom Creane knows the state

1323
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: and he might have enough of a chip on his

1324
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: shoulder to show the state fans throughout Indiana what he

1325
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: still has left. That's fair, that's deaf fair. And the

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: Thad Mada retirement is not a huge surprise, obviously, that

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: news coming out just before we went on today. But

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01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: five hundred and two and two twenty three over the

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01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: course of his time at Butler in college basketball, six

1330
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: ninety two winning percentage, twenty four and thirteen in the

1331
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament, a pair of final fours. But that is

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: the decision to hang it up and joining us now

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: on the Java House COLBRW Coffee guest line. He is

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: the radio analyst for Butler basketball. Nick Gardner joining us

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01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: and Nick, I will begin with this before we get

1336
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: into kind of you know, looking under the cushions on this,

1337
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: just your overall thoughts on Thad Mada, the coaching career

1338
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: of that Mada, and what you were able to obviously

1339
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: witness from inside the lines and from the inside about

1340
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: that Mada, both as a coach and a dude altogether.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me, Jake. I think with coach Motta,

1342
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 3: just a remarkable career. Obviously, it was really cool to

1343
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: be able to see him celebrate his five hundredth win

1344
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: recently this past season, and to be able to do

1345
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 3: that at Butler, a place that you know, means so

1346
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: much to him and his family. And I think he

1347
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: kind of echoed that in the release. You know, his

1348
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: his wife went to Butler University. He went to Butler University.

1349
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: Both of his daughters graduated from Butler University, and and

1350
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 3: and the fact that it was Butler University is why

1351
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: he came back, you know, out of his retirement to

1352
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: coach anyway, So just a remarkable career that was a

1353
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: coach matter was a guy who he did it the

1354
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: right way.

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 4: He wasn't a guy that.

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,919
Speaker 3: Was gonna you know, in the old version of college basketball.

1357
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't going to stray outside the lines. He was gonna,

1358
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: you know, do the right thing in recruiting and do

1359
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 3: the right thing by his players. And then obviously his

1360
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: run at Ohio State is legendary with the talent he

1361
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 3: had to there, and you know, his ability to tap

1362
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 3: into the Indianapolis recruiting you know area, and obviously the

1363
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: connection with Odin and Connelly and just just a great guy.

1364
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: You know, he was a players coach. I think he

1365
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: would say one thing about coach mad is he was

1366
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: he knew basketball right, he understood the s's and the o's,

1367
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: but he was elite at getting you in the right

1368
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: mindset to go play your best version. He has an

1369
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: ability to instill confidence in his players that is very unique,

1370
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: and that's why you see so many guys that want

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 3: to go to bat for him and and that are

1372
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: in his corner long after they've been done playing for him.

1373
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: So well earned retirement, and obviously wishing him the best

1374
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: in his retirement. He's been an excellent asset and a

1375
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 3: huge part of Butler University basketball for so many years.

1376
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: Is it or well, it is to me peculiar, so

1377
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: I will allow you or ask you to elaborate on it.

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 5: Nick.

1379
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, Butler just recently, I think three days ago,

1380
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: sent out a release saying that he would return, and

1381
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: now we find out he retires. Why the disparity in

1382
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: a opinion there, That's a good question.

1383
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1384
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 4: Here's what I think. I think part of that is

1385
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot of.

1386
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 3: There's rumors and speculation that go on amongst you know,

1387
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: people within any industry. And so I think first and foremost,

1388
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, over the weekend, you wanted to get out

1389
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: in front and say, hey, you know, coachs Minda wants

1390
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: to he we want him back, he wants to come back. Now,

1391
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what changed over the weekend. Maybe he

1392
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 3: did some some more thinking. But but I think one

1393
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: thing that you can appreciate is, you know, some guys

1394
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: may let that linger a little bit longer, and so

1395
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,480
Speaker 3: coach Monda obviously took the weekend. Things changed, there were conversations,

1396
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: and now you wake up today to the news that

1397
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 3: he is going to retire. And so I'm unsure of

1398
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 3: what the effect was, but but I will say it's

1399
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: it's it's better to know that now rather than sit

1400
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: on that for a week, ten days, whatever it may be,

1401
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 3: because these cycles can happen quickly, and now Grant and

1402
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 3: the administration has an opportunity to go try to find

1403
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: the best candidate to replace the legend that is that.

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: Mod Could it be as simple as this, Nick? Could

1405
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: it be as simple as Butler issued that statement to

1406
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: let the world know that they were not firing him

1407
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: and he was welcome to come back if he so chose,

1408
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: even though they may have known that he was leaning

1409
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: this way.

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01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that certainly could have been the case. Again,

1411
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: I think sometimes the optics get in the way of

1412
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: the actual, you know, the way things transact. But I

1413
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 3: would not be shocked if that was kind of the

1414
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: case to kind of quell some rumors and say, hey,

1415
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 3: you know, it's a university, we want to have this

1416
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 3: guy back. And there was some speculation on if he

1417
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: would retire or not, and there has been for a

1418
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 3: while because he was out of the.

1419
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 4: Game for a little bit. I think that was natural.

1420
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: So I don't think you'd be wrong in speculating that

1421
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 3: that could have been the case.

1422
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: Who would you say are the names that we will

1423
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: hear the most with this, and who would you anticipate

1424
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: ormes that are realistic options.

1425
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 4: It's a great question, I think.

1426
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 3: I think obviously Ronald Nord is a guy who was

1427
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 3: going to be mentioned. He was a guy that was

1428
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 3: mentioned when Coach Modo was hired in this last hiring cycle.

1429
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 4: You know, you think about other guys with ties to

1430
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:18,839
Speaker 4: the program.

1431
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: Ryan Peden is a guy at Illinois State who has

1432
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: had success in his first head coaching staff, who was

1433
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: an assistant on Chris Olpen's staff. I mean, heck, you

1434
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 3: think a guy like Chris Olten may be a name that.

1435
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 4: Gets popped up.

1436
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 3: I think there's obviously people within the family. Cameron Woods

1437
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: is a guy who's been a coach at the NBA

1438
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: G League level who was a former player. Alex Barlow,

1439
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: who was on coach modess staff, is a name that's

1440
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 3: been mentioned at times.

1441
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 5: So I think this is.

1442
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 3: You know, look, Butler's had a lot of coaching searches

1443
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: here in recent memory in my time doing the radio,

1444
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: and this may be one of the more wide open

1445
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 3: ones that we've seen, just because there isn't necessarily an

1446
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 3: actual connection there. So I'm excited and as anxious to

1447
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: see who the dogs can land just like everybody.

1448
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: Else is Nick. I'm gonna I say this, and I've

1449
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: mentioned this before on the air, but I want to

1450
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: ask you because maybe it's it's maybe I'm off base.

1451
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: I have always had a great deal of respect and

1452
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: really marveled at the way that Butler has been able

1453
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: to seemingly just go without missing a beat from one

1454
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: to the next in this line of secession. And I

1455
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: know that Brandon Miller had a challenge there, but they

1456
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: quickly recovered from that with Chris Holtman. But in staying

1457
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: with those that are connected to it, you know, from

1458
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: Thad to Barry, from Barry Collier to Thad to Todd

1459
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: Licklider to Brad Stevens, you know, the whole lineage here

1460
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: has Butler. Now, if you're going to be in the

1461
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: Big East and you've got a new arena and you've

1462
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: got you know, you've got the money that comes with

1463
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: the television contract of a big time conference and a

1464
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: bigger national brand than you had fifteen years ago, is

1465
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: it time for Butler to do an entire, all encompassing

1466
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: scan the country any literally best coach possible, regardless of

1467
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: connection to the university.

1468
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

1469
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 5: I think and and who's this.

1470
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 3: And that's not saying that they haven't done that in

1471
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 3: the past. I do think there is there's something to

1472
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: be said for having not And look, it doesn't have

1473
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: to be the head guy, but there needs to be

1474
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: a connection. This is true anywhere, and certainly to a Butler.

1475
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 3: You do need to have some type of connection as

1476
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 3: to how how the university operates, how do you get

1477
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 3: things done around there, like being able to communicate that

1478
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: and have kind of a tie that can bind some

1479
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 3: things together is important anywhere, and it's certainly important at Butler.

1480
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: So I think more importantly of necessarily being somebody like

1481
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: in house or a Butler guy. They need to operate

1482
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 3: and operate their program in a similar way to what

1483
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: has been successful at Butler.

1484
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 4: And that may be somebody that's been within the program.

1485
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 4: That may not be.

1486
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 3: That may be a guy who who again maybe he

1487
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 3: just operates in a similar manner. And you can have

1488
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 3: some guys on staff that do have a connection to

1489
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 3: the place. So I think a lot of times when

1490
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 3: people talk about bringing somebody that is familiar with the university,

1491
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: a lot of that is just talking about how do

1492
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: they operate, what type of personality. Are they Are they

1493
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: a good communicator with you know, the various outlets that

1494
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 3: you have to do to operate, you know, a big

1495
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 3: time college basketball program. And so I think the key

1496
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 3: is to find somebody that can operate within what can

1497
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: be a successful framework at Butler. And look, if they've

1498
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 3: been at Butler in the past, that's all the better.

1499
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: But most importantly, they've got to be able to be

1500
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 3: successful in this type of an environment, and oftentimes that

1501
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 3: is someone who has been there in some form or

1502
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: capacity at some point.

1503
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: Nick, what do you think is the biggest challenge of

1504
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: the Butler job?

1505
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 4: Oh? Boy, that's a great question.

1506
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: I think obviously, you know, everybody's going to go Budget

1507
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: is a challenge, right You're you're constantly going to have

1508
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 3: to be you know, and in today's in il day

1509
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 3: and age, it's hard to retain talent, and so budget

1510
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: is certainly a challenge. I think just just finding that

1511
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: momentum and finding you know, just trying to get over

1512
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: that hump is the biggest challenge right now.

1513
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 4: And how do you do that.

1514
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 3: It's a combination of how you operate, It's a combination

1515
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 3: of budget, it's a combination of everybody kind of being

1516
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: on the same page, and so it's changing, and it's

1517
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 3: as much as that landscape has changed over the last

1518
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 3: few years.

1519
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 4: And even with the results being.

1520
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: As they have been, I would say Butler's maybe never

1521
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 3: been in a better place to advance and grow than

1522
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 3: they are now, with being in the Big East, with

1523
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: having really good leadership, understanding kind of the landscape of things.

1524
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: And although the results haven't shown it, I'm not sure

1525
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 3: Butler University and the Butler University Athletic Department has ever

1526
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 3: been in as good a spot to be successful as

1527
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: they are now.

1528
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was the other thing I was gonna

1529
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: ask is what's the biggest selling point if they call you.

1530
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: If Butler calls you and they say, hey, Nick, we

1531
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: got a guy in mind and we want you to

1532
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: call and recruit it, what do you say.

1533
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 4: I'd say, Look, we've got a number one.

1534
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: You get to coach at Anklefield House in the Big East,

1535
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 3: one of the best conferences in the country. All that

1536
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: is attractive to the Butler with the Big East Conference.

1537
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 3: But then you look at the university as a whole

1538
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: and you talk about Jim danco the leadership on campus

1539
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: along with Grant.

1540
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: Line deck are in his staff in the athletic department.

1541
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 3: You know, this is a group that's they're hungry. They

1542
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: understand that they're all dead set on getting the basketball

1543
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: program back to where they wanted to be. And so

1544
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: you know, although as I said, those results haven't been

1545
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 3: is grt. I don't know that the university, the athletic department,

1546
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 3: the whole campus as a whole has been set up

1547
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: and been in a better position to find that success

1548
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 3: with all those things in the that have been going

1549
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 3: on over the last two three four years.

1550
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: So does it go without saying that whoever it is

1551
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: that takes over the Butler program now with the retirement

1552
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: of fab Mada, that it's going to be and this

1553
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,839
Speaker 1: is kind of the era of college basketball a roster overhaul.

1554
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think.

1555
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: So it's hard to say, you know, I mean, there

1556
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: are guys who huff in the portal and it's the

1557
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: least likely guy you would think would not have been there,

1558
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 3: whether there's a coaching change or not. But one would

1559
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: anticipate when you look at the landscape over the last

1560
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 3: few years, and again a lot of that depends on

1561
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 3: staff and if there is any retainment, if not who knows,

1562
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 3: but so often players are tied to coaches and staff

1563
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 3: and it depends on who comes back. So one would

1564
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: expect if there's going to be, you know, a vastly

1565
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 3: new staff, and most likely there's going to be a

1566
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: big turnover. But that was probably expected anyways with the

1567
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: results that you had. I think roster turnover is just

1568
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 3: it is here. It is here to stay, and it's

1569
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 3: at a volume that we've never seen in the past.

1570
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 3: And so coaching change or not, most teams are flipping

1571
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 3: over seven eight guys each and every season.

1572
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking here. By the way, Nick Gardner is

1573
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: my guest Java House Colebrew Coffee guest line. He is

1574
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: the analyst for Purdue or excuse me, for Butler Basketball Radio.

1575
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking over it here, Nick. Big East representation in

1576
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament. I mean, obviously you got Novah's in there,

1577
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: Saint John's is in there. Who am I missing here?

1578
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking over Yukon obviously. Yeah, I think Yukon is

1579
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna win the whole thing. But I want Nick Gardner

1580
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: to tell me which Big East team you feel is

1581
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: most poised for tournament play.

1582
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: Oh boy, either of those two, I would say I

1583
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 3: would I would say it's probably Saint John's just because

1584
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: of how hot they've played lately. Jake, Now, the one

1585
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 3: thing with Saint John's, they're shooting can leave them astray.

1586
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: And I say that that bit him last year, right beatable, Yeah,

1587
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: it sure did.

1588
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 4: It bit him last year. And that's that. Frankly, it

1589
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 4: was so shocking.

1590
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: But you also saw like when they do put it

1591
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 3: all together. I mean they ran Yukon out of the

1592
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: garden there for the Big East Tournament championship. And so

1593
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: to me, I think just Rick Patino's ability to coach,

1594
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 3: their ability to put pressure on teams and look, as

1595
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,839
Speaker 3: much as their shooting can let them down, their ability

1596
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 3: to guard, to put pressure defensively takes away the shooting

1597
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 3: of other teams. So I would say, especially they're underseated,

1598
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: they probably have a little chip on their shoulder of

1599
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: them at a five seed, boy, that's a dangerous one

1600
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 3: and one that if you're if you're the one or two,

1601
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 3: you don't want to have to see them too early.

1602
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: And that's that's a tough matchup for anybody.

1603
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 4: And Patino's got to play really well.

1604
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 1: If you look at Nick in conclusion here, totality of career. Okay,

1605
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: totality of career is Rick Patino the best career in

1606
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament. Boy, I mean you got us right?

1607
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1608
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Self? I mean self has been around a long time, right,

1609
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 1: really good coach. There are some really bright young coaches.

1610
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: But in terms of the old guard and where he's been,

1611
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's tough to argue, right.

1612
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 4: He's tough to argue.

1613
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: And the other thing that I think would be compelling

1614
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: for his argument, Jacobs, his ability to do it like

1615
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 3: college basketball has completely been turned on it fed the

1616
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 3: last four years. And as you've seen, you know, I'm

1617
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: saying you know this, it's a reason why coach Mada

1618
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 3: deserves some praise too. A lot of the guys of

1619
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: his Ilki generation, they saw the changes. They said, man,

1620
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 3: no way, you know I'm getting out Jay Riot, retirees

1621
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 3: from Jim Bayhive, Roy Williams, all these different guys. Because

1622
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 3: I think some of that had to do with the

1623
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 3: changing landscape and with coach Fatino, and then obviously Coach

1624
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 3: made These are.

1625
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 4: Guys who didn't run away from that. And then coach.

1626
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: Fatino has come back, and I mean he has lit

1627
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 3: a fire underneath a huge fan base in Saint John's

1628
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 3: and showed his ability to adjust on the fly and

1629
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: change with the with the changing landscape of college basketball.

1630
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: And he hasn't missed a beat. So it's impressive. And look,

1631
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: you're hard to argue anybody else if you came and

1632
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 3: said Fatino's the best, I don't know, There's not many

1633
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 3: others you.

1634
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Could argue with hard who wins it?

1635
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 4: You know what?

1636
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 5: I think?

1637
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 3: I hate saying this shake, but this feels like a

1638
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 3: Duke here where they come up and win it when

1639
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 3: there's you know, they're kind of kind of under the radar,

1640
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: even though they're one of the top four seeds. But

1641
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: it feels like, you know, Michigan gets talked about a

1642
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: little more, Arizona gets getting a lot of love lately

1643
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 3: in those Big twelve teams. But boy, I'll tell you what,

1644
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: Duke is so solid and Cameron Boozer can do so

1645
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 3: many different things. John Shires are really good coach too.

1646
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Duke.

1647
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I you know you're talking about like Arizona, Michigan, Uh,

1648
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: the school that has been one of my favorite trivia questions.

1649
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned it probably weekly on this program. The school

1650
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: that has been to the most final fours without ever

1651
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: having won the national championship is Houston, and it feels

1652
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: like this could be another year for that nick where

1653
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: Houston goes and then it's like, well, add another one

1654
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: where they got close. But you know, people don't talk

1655
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: about them a lot either, and they're they're they've had

1656
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: a hell of a year.

1657
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: They've been a really good year, and you know, they're

1658
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 3: one that I was like, I would put them second

1659
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 3: as a team that I would choose to win it simply.

1660
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Because I feel like they're a little different.

1661
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 3: They're a little better offensively this year, right Kelvin there,

1662
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 3: you know what you're gonna get with the Kelvin Santon

1663
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: team on the defensive.

1664
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,879
Speaker 4: End, their ability to rebound.

1665
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: But with Flemington Point, they've got some dynamic playmakers. It

1666
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 3: feels like that offense may be a little bit better

1667
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: this year. So that's another one. And then obviously the

1668
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 3: experience too. Those guys have been through the battles up

1669
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 3: deep in the tournament each of the last few years.

1670
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: Kelvin Sampson is a guy who's been able to retain

1671
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 3: talent a lot better in this day and age of

1672
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 3: Pollo troops. So that's another dangerous team that I think

1673
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 3: we could see here in India.

1674
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 4: In a couple of weeks.

1675
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Nick, appreciate the time as always. I know it's got

1676
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: to be busy right now around Butler basketball and with

1677
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 1: other stuff you got going on, but certainly appreciate the

1678
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: time anytime.

1679
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 4: Jake, appreciate to you, Buddy, appreciate it.

1680
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: Nick Gardner joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee

1681
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: guest line. All right, Tom Crean, coming up bottom of

1682
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,440
Speaker 1: the two o'clock hour, we got to get back into obviously,

1683
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: you know what took place with Purdue and the Boilers

1684
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: deserve all the credit in the world. We will get

1685
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: into that coming up certainly top of the hour. A

1686
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: couple more numbers to give away. Other side, Eddie, Yeah,

1687
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: let's do it all right, two three, nine, ten, seventy

1688
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: telephone number for our numbers giveaway, and then what took place.

1689
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: Speaking of numbers and why they finally fell the way

1690
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: up Purdue, we'll get into that in fifteen. We'll get

1691
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: right to it. Here here are the numbers that are taken,

1692
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: so if you're on hold, pay attention. These numbers are

1693
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: not available. Fourteen, sixteen, thirty, thirty two, forty one, and

1694
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: forty four. Those numbers are off the board. We will

1695
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: begin with Frank.

1696
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 5: Hi, Frank, Hey, Jake, how are you doing?

1697
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 4: You know what?

1698
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm good? Frank? I had to get blood today. That sucks,

1699
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: but an An'm okay? Right?

1700
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 3: Oh?

1701
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: Good?

1702
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: Does that mean good that I got to get blood

1703
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: or good that I'm doing? Okay?

1704
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: Well?

1705
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 4: Both?

1706
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: All right? What number would you like, Frank?

1707
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 5: Number eighteen?

1708
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: Is there a significance to the number eighteen in your life? Frank?

1709
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 5: If there was a number war at a community center

1710
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 5: basketball team?

1711
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay? Are you driving right now? By chance?

1712
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 4: No?

1713
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 5: I'm not?

1714
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you were, then you most likely your

1715
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: car would be sitting on four round objects made of

1716
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: rubber that probably were made in this city. The twelve

1717
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: seat in the Midwest. Akron is off the board. Akron

1718
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: is gone. Jim is up next. Hi, Jim, Hey, how's

1719
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: it going, Jacon? You know I can't complain Jim yourself.

1720
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 2: I'll do it excellent.

1721
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 3: Even in the snow on a Monday.

1722
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: You sound like you're in a good mood.

1723
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 4: Jim.

1724
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: Are you a happy guy in general?

1725
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 3: Uh?

1726
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 8: You know I was happy to see the Boilers win

1727
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 8: convincingly yesterday.

1728
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was very impressive, very impressive, Jim.

1729
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 6: Jake. He's also excited he doesn't have to see me

1730
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 6: in the numbers game like he did in the fantasy

1731
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 6: football league.

1732
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, you took were you knocked out by Eddie

1733
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: in our fantasy league?

1734
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1735
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: I was the White Sox team and Eddie knocked me

1736
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: out in the playoffs.

1737
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Man, So you were sitting just to my left during

1738
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 1: the draft. By the way, we had fun in our

1739
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: own little rebel corner over there. Right, that's right, Yeah,

1740
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, Jim. What number would you like?

1741
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: Is A thirteen available?

1742
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: Thirteen is available?

1743
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 4: Jim.

1744
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Here's a little trivia question for a Jim, you're ready?

1745
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, Sirta.

1746
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: Do you happen to know in what other city? I's Indianapolis?

1747
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I have had a broadcast career. You happen to know

1748
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: what city I worked in before Indianapolis, even though I'm

1749
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: a native to here.

1750
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Saint Louis, Right, Jake,

1751
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: that is correct.

1752
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,879
Speaker 1: The Billikins are off the board, Jim. Appreciate your listening

1753
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: and proving it there. Greg with three g's up next?

1754
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: X Hi Greg, how are you?

1755
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 5: Hey?

1756
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Greg? What number would you like?

1757
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 5: Number twenty three? Please? Sir?

1758
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Are you a Michael Jordan fan?

1759
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 4: Is that it?

1760
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 9: No?

1761
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 5: No, It's my wife's birthday and when it always comes

1762
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 5: to Mars, I got to do some for it because

1763
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 5: always Mars madness. She feels like I don't take care

1764
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 5: of her.

1765
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 6: So we're doing twenty three.

1766
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Well, now you've got a team to root for. Number

1767
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: twenty three, Eddie, if you could please the Texas Tech

1768
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: Red Raiders, the five seed in the Midwest that I

1769
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: think are as well coached as anybody in college basketball. Gary, Gary,

1770
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: what number you need?

1771
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jake, I take number seventeen. And hey, Jake, before

1772
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 8: you give me the team, you and I have a

1773
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 8: lot in common. We're big fans of doctor Eugene White.

1774
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Doctor White is the best.

1775
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 4: Gary.

1776
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: Doctor White.

1777
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, I have.

1778
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 8: I used teaching Washington Township and I'm marrying university now,

1779
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 8: but I had the opportunity to go with doctor White

1780
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 8: to Washington, DC a couple of times. And I'll tell

1781
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 8: you you talk about knowing his way around on the airport.

1782
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, you know you.

1783
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Can't keep up with him.

1784
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 5: Well, he knows everyone.

1785
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: He does know everyone. Doctor White, who was my high

1786
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: school principal, later went on to become superintendent of both

1787
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,480
Speaker 1: Ips and what's the Washington Township president of Martin University Library.

1788
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, works with the library. Everything you name it,

1789
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: He's done it in this town. Gary, there, listen, all

1790
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: of us could aspire to be one tenth the person

1791
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: of doctor Eugene White, no doubt about it. Your team,

1792
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: by the way.

1793
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 8: Just start that night a big.

1794
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Longhorn off the board. Go find your bike in the

1795
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: bottom of the Alamo. Gary, and I appreciate the kind

1796
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: words about doctor Wright as well. Aaron is up next, Aaron.

1797
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 4: How are you doing? Jake Love the show Man?

1798
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Now, Aaron, I got news for I got to ask

1799
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: you something here real quick. Okay, we're a little up

1800
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: against it. Eddie's gonna get mad that I'm going along,

1801
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask, do you really love the show?

1802
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: Or is that a folksy thing? When people say that

1803
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: to me, I'm out in public, people say hey, I

1804
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 1: love the show, and then I wondered myself, do they

1805
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: really love that? Or is that just a folksy thing?

1806
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 4: People say, that's God's honest truth. I listened to it

1807
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 4: every day down here in Florida.

1808
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, okay, how are things in Florida, by the.

1809
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 4: Way, funny and beautiful?

1810
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I didn't expect you to say floor.

1811
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: He's in seventeen. Like here, Aaron, what number would you like?

1812
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 4: Number eight?

1813
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: You ever drive up to the border just to get

1814
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: yourself some of the free orange juice at the welcome center.

1815
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 7: I do not.

1816
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 4: I'm I'm South Florida. That's a good haul for snow jay.

1817
01:31:56,120 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: That is that is here we go? Number eight, Eddie,

1818
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: number eighth. The dogs out. That would be the Bulldogs

1819
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: also known as the Zags of Gonzaga. The three seed

1820
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: in the West is off the board. Purdue is a

1821
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: two seed in the NCAA Tournament. How they got there

1822
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and what it means we'll get into it next. What

1823
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: one of the things that I am very curious to

1824
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: ask Tom Crean coming up bottom of the hour. Crane,

1825
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: by the way, was released from his duties as the

1826
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Indiana basketball coach nine years ago today. That's not why

1827
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: we're having him on. He is, I think the best

1828
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: analyst at ESPN. I I am so impressed by all

1829
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,799
Speaker 1: of these guys. But to be able to I was watching,

1830
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 1: Oh it's a couple of weeks ago, watching a game,

1831
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: and they go to halftime and Tom Crane's in there,

1832
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: and so they're asking him about different teams. Here's highlights

1833
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m Here's highlights from Ohio State,

1834
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. And to know the the sets

1835
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,799
Speaker 1: but also the personnel of every team is really oppressive.

1836
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I'm curious to ask

1837
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: him is which league has let me think of how

1838
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: to word this, of all of the conferences in college basketball,

1839
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious if, in the opinion of a coach that

1840
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: studies it, if there is one conference that has the

1841
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: most uniformity the way that the game is played amongst

1842
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,879
Speaker 1: all of its teams, and thus its representative may struggle

1843
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: the most in the NCAA tournament because they're going to

1844
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: be seeing a playing style they're not used to playing.

1845
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 1: I guess that's the easiest way to say it. You know,

1846
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. We've talked about it with Dave Rebson

1847
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and am with my to COURSI. The Big Ten is

1848
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: a league that, with the number of teams that they have,

1849
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: you've got to play a number of different ways. You know,

1850
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: I was a little different in the way they play.

1851
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: But the number of ways that you have to play

1852
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten means that there are going to

1853
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: be very few teams seemingly in the tournament that you're

1854
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: going to see where you're like, man, I've never had

1855
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: to play this way. Saint John's is, you know, a

1856
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: year ago. I think Saint John's learned. Saint John's was

1857
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: so good at the way they play, but then when

1858
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: they had to get when they face teams that knew

1859
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: how to do that defense, and they then had to

1860
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: score and they you know, you can't get into scoring goals.

1861
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: And as Nick Gardener was talking about it plagues him

1862
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: this year at times as well. When you can't shoot

1863
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: the basketball, then all of a sudden everything changes for you.

1864
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: And if you you know, they they defend at an

1865
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: elite level, no doubt about it, but they just hit that,

1866
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, they are prone to those droughts. Purdue yesterday

1867
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: winning and this is the Purdue that we expected them

1868
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: to be. And it would be easy for me, and

1869
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: maybe even irresponsible to me to say or to list

1870
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: the possibility that Purdue, over the course of the regular

1871
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 1: season with so much I mean, this is a group

1872
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: that has played so many games together. And you know

1873
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: I mentioned before and clearly that that I mentioned was

1874
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: not accurate about the possibility that, you know, there was

1875
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: dissension amongst the troops, if you will, with Purdue between

1876
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: ANIL and everything else. Now, that was I'm not the

1877
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: only one that came up with that. I mean, that

1878
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: was told to me by a couple of people. Never

1879
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: stated as here's what's going on, but rather as, hey,

1880
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: could this be what's going on? Okay? And I do

1881
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: think it's possible that Purdue because they have done a

1882
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: little of everything, this group. I know, they haven't won

1883
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,879
Speaker 1: a national title, but they've been very deep in the tournament.

1884
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: They've had praise and expectation, they've been ranked number one.

1885
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, it is possible that a team goes through

1886
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: periods where they get into a loll they get into

1887
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: a rut like all of us do, where it's like, man,

1888
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: it's there is a lot of hype and expectation, and

1889
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: once they see that Michigan is doing what Michigan's doing,

1890
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: do you then just say, you know what, let's get

1891
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: to the postseason and then see where things go and refocus.

1892
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: And you would like to think that a veteran team

1893
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: has the maturity to not fall into that kind of

1894
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 1: a trap, but maybe they did. But the other thing

1895
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: that I think they've done, and I talked about it

1896
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: going into the weekend, I think Purdue has done an

1897
01:36:54,600 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: outstanding job of late. I think they win through a

1898
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: period where getting their three point shooting because they were

1899
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 1: not three point defending. I think in that situation, when

1900
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: you get into games where other teams are efficiently shooting

1901
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: the three, you try to shoot yourself back into it

1902
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: with them. Because they were having difficulty guarding on the perimeter,

1903
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: getting the switches catching up to shooters, and as a

1904
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:27,759
Speaker 1: result of that, they were falling. They're getting behind in games,

1905
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: and then they start taking shots that maybe normally they

1906
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't take what they have done of late. And a

1907
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: lot of this is Braden Smith. Obviously he's the quarterback

1908
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: of that team and that offense, but it seems like

1909
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: they have now taken their offense and repurposed it back

1910
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: to we are going to go from the inside out.

1911
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,879
Speaker 1: And Oscar Kluff and the way that he has played

1912
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,759
Speaker 1: and he is now showing not that he wasn't already,

1913
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: but he's now showing it consistency, the presence, and the

1914
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: difference that he can make. That was the reason he

1915
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: was the number one center in the transfer portal. Trey

1916
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 1: Kauffman read, I think just learning. There was an interesting

1917
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: comment made from Miles Turner after the Pacers Bucks game

1918
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: where he talked about zubots, and Miles Turner said, one

1919
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: of the things with Zubots to watch for is Halliburton

1920
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 1: needs space. Haliburton and we have talked about that on

1921
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: this program. Halliburton is a guy that needs open space.

1922
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: And the reason Turner was so good is because Turner

1923
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: knew how to take advantage of being in the right

1924
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: space to give Halliburton his space. And so will zubots

1925
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: do that? You know, he is a guy in the middle,

1926
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think of a synonym for space

1927
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: because truthfully, I'm tired of saying space. But he is territory.

1928
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Zubats requires and occupies a large amount of territory. Can

1929
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: he get out of that territory fast enough to allow

1930
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: Halliburton to move around and be slippery the way he is?

1931
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: And I think with Purdue Oscar Kloff was doing a

1932
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: little of that with Trey Kaufman Wren, and it took

1933
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: a while with Trey Kaufman Wren, who has very good

1934
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: feel around the basket, to figure out just how to

1935
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 1: coexist in that. And I don't mean getting along wise.

1936
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: I mean just instinctively and with fluidity around the basket,

1937
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: understand where there's open space. And yes, is it probably

1938
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: even a lazy narrative for me to just simply say

1939
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: here that, oh, that's the difference. Boom, snap a finger

1940
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and that's what they did. Maybe, but it does feel

1941
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: that way that they now are saying, Okay, if we

1942
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: go into you guys, and you do you guys, start

1943
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: to establish where we're going offensively, then Smith can work

1944
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: the ball around. And Smith can also become when they

1945
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: need a big shot, he'll hit a big shot. He

1946
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: knows what he needs to do for his team. That's

1947
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: why he's a great player and why at the beginning

1948
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: of the year I said he's the best player in

1949
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 1: college basketball?

1950
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 6: Are the boy the makers better?

1951
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 5: Jake?

1952
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 6: When Braiden Smith isn't looking to score first, because that

1953
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 6: was the one thing I noticed over the Big Ten

1954
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 6: Tournament this weekend.

1955
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean when they're yes to answer

1956
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: your question, I agree with that because I think what

1957
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: they're doing is that Braiden Smith is realizing that if

1958
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: they go inside first or prioritize that, then everything else

1959
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: sets off of that. So yes, and of course he is.

1960
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: It's been a rough and I say this somewhat flippantly,

1961
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 1: but a rough stretch for Bobby Hurley. Right, He's done

1962
01:40:55,720 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: at Arizona State and he's going to see in barring

1963
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: something unforeseen, Braden Smith is going to become college basketball

1964
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: as all time assists leader. Now a better trivia question

1965
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,560
Speaker 1: would be whose record did Bobby Hurley break? And I

1966
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: think it's Chris Cortiani. I think can we look that

1967
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: up all time INCAA assist record holders? I think you

1968
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: are correct? Is it Cortiani?

1969
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 4: Yes?

1970
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 5: Man?

1971
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Who is the dude he played with? J and V

1972
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: will know this. Cortiani was in a backcourt with was

1973
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: it Rodney Monroe at NC State? Just a human three

1974
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: point shot? Like the nature of those two. And That's

1975
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, though, is the point guard position.

1976
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: To set that kind of record, You've got to have

1977
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You got to have chemistry of

1978
01:41:58,680 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: the guys on the floor.

1979
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 5: You have to have.

1980
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Great players that you're throwing to that can convert, and

1981
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: then obviously an understanding of what it is that your

1982
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: team needs. And Courciani was not near the player Braiden

1983
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Smith is. Braiden Smith is a great player, not just

1984
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: because he the way that he's able to distribute the

1985
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: basketball and get it where it needs to go for Purdue,

1986
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: but also to understand when he needs to do that

1987
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: and when he needs to pull away from that, so

1988
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: to speak, and when he is on the floor he

1989
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: is very in control. That also, I would like to

1990
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 1: know how often you see a team with eight losses

1991
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: that lands on the two seed line. I mean that is,

1992
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: and not only the two seed line, but I also

1993
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: think because don't they do it this way Eddie, I'm

1994
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: fairly certain of this the one seed. If you're the

1995
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 1: number one overall seed, as Duke is, then doesn't that

1996
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: mean that you would get the lowest rated two seed

1997
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: the lowest ranked two seed?

1998
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 6: Theoretically, Yeah, so that means that.

1999
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 1: They have Connecticut ranked lower than Perdue and Perdue being

2000
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: in the same region. I mean, well, Michigan's probably the second.

2001
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine the second highest seed in one seed,

2002
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: right or as Arizona, I don't know, but my point being,

2003
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: there was a time recently that it looked like the

2004
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,679
Speaker 1: possibility that Purdue could end up as a four seed.

2005
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: A four and there are two. Their body of work

2006
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: is really impressive, and you get caught up by the

2007
01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: home losses, but their body of work, you could even

2008
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: make the case that they're you know, some of their

2009
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: best wins were neutral floor, big matchup, big pedigree programs, and.

2010
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 6: It's just so fascinating, Jake, Like when you look at

2011
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 6: their schedule, like they played significantly better away from Makie

2012
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 6: than they did.

2013
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: At maki Yeah, yeah, which bodes well for this time

2014
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: of year. Right, Absolutely, you have not filled out a

2015
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 1: bracket yet, correct, Eddie, Not yet?

2016
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 4: No.

2017
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 6: I had the Pacers game yesterday, and then I didn't.

2018
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 6: I watched the selection show, and then I went to

2019
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 6: bed pretty much when I went home, had dinner, hung

2020
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 6: out with Olivia for a little bit, and then we

2021
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 6: crashed early.

2022
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I I think it was ten thirty when I

2023
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: got that. Now here's a question for you. I'd like

2024
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: to know what you do in this situation. Tom Crane

2025
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes By the way, I mentioned this earlier.

2026
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I've never I love the Dallas Fort Worth area because

2027
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I like the weather there. There's a lot of good

2028
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: restaurants and the people are friendly. But man, it's a

2029
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: nightmare traveling out of there. One of the things that

2030
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:19,919
Speaker 1: I did do in my free time after qualifying on Saturday,

2031
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 1: I went I have been obviously to Daily Plaza, where

2032
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the Texas school Book Depository is and where John F.

2033
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Kennedy was shot. I've been there a million times. I've

2034
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: been to the museum on the sixth floor as well, fascinating.

2035
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 1: I've interviewed the surgeon that worked on Kennedy, fascinating. The

2036
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: story itself has always intrigued me. I don't know why,

2037
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: but it just always has something about the allure of

2038
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 1: the old black and white film and the radio, you know,

2039
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: the old AP radio stuff, And I know this makes

2040
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: me weird, But this time I decided to go more

2041
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 1: and learn about kind of the Oswald side of things,

2042
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:09,560
Speaker 1: and what I didn't know I clearly knew of, you know,

2043
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald. After the shooting of the President, that

2044
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Oswald then returned back to his neighborhood, which for the

2045
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: sake of discussion. It would be about the same distance

2046
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 1: if you lived in if something happened in downtown Indianapolis

2047
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 1: and you were going towards your boarding room in Fountain Square,

2048
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: that's about the distance.

2049
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 4: And so.

2050
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Oswald is involved with the Kennedy shooting. Later that day,

2051
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: it goes back towards his boarding house where he is

2052
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: staying and is stopped on the street by JD. Tippett,

2053
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 1: who is a Fort Worth police officer or a Dallas

2054
01:46:54,200 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 1: police officer excuse me, and recognizes him because Oswald's it

2055
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: had already been in the media, which that part to

2056
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: me was I was curious of once I really sat

2057
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: back to think about it, because I'm like, wait a minute,

2058
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: how did they already know who the suspect was? But JD.

2059
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Tipptt stopped to question Oswald, Oswald shot him four times fatally.

2060
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:23,759
Speaker 1: And Oswald then went to basically like the broaderpool avenue

2061
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: of this area, oak Cliff area or the mass Ab avenue,

2062
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: like the little shops, went into a shoe store. They

2063
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: thought something was He realized that people were on to him,

2064
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: so he went into the Texas Theater. He bought a

2065
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: five cent movie ticket for a movie called Warrishell, starring

2066
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: Audie Murphy, the most decorated war hero of all time

2067
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: in US history, who then became an actor. Oswald sat

2068
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: in row s seat sixteen, I think is what it

2069
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 1: was in that theater, and the police came in and

2070
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: got him. They stopped the movie, and so I went

2071
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 1: and found the spot where Tippet was shot. Then I

2072
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: went and found the boarding house, and in finding the

2073
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: boarding house actually met the woman who lives there, whose

2074
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 1: grandmother is the one that was renting the bedroom to

2075
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald, who was a strain from his wife

2076
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: at the time. And this woman that I talked to,

2077
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: Pat was eleven years old and lived at the house

2078
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: with Oswald because her grandmother owned the house and so

2079
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: she lived in the house. She's called him mister Lee

2080
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 1: told me about Oswald, and she still lives in that

2081
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: house and sot She's like, next year you come. She

2082
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 1: was when I talked to her. She was not at home,

2083
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 1: but I did see the house anyway. Then I went

2084
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: to the theater and the guy said, I'll take you

2085
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: in and show you the exact seat that Oswald sat in.

2086
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,560
Speaker 1: So I went and did that and loved it. It

2087
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: was very cool, and then coming back last night was

2088
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was kind of mayhem because

2089
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: the weather was not great. And we landed and then

2090
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I saw that my flight was canceled. So my long

2091
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:02,600
Speaker 1: witted question is this Eddie. I landed last night. I

2092
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: managed to get on standby, on the standby list for

2093
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: an earlier flight so that I could get out of

2094
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: Dallas before they started canceling flights, anticipating that my eight

2095
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: to forty five PM flight was going to be canceled,

2096
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: which it was. So when I landed, I was in

2097
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: Indie last night. I was getting everything ready for the

2098
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: show today and I got a message from American saying

2099
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: you are now rebooked on a flight for tonight at

2100
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: nine pm. And I'm like, I don't need that flight now.

2101
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 1: Do you alert the airline? Do you a alert the

2102
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: airline that you no longer need that flight because you

2103
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: made it home on standby? Although I was surprised they did,

2104
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: their computers didn't make that connection. B say, oh, well,

2105
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 1: you know what, one of the options here instead of

2106
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: getting the flight is getting a refund. Do I do

2107
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 1: that or c simply alert them I already made it

2108
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 1: home because you got me on an earlier flight, but

2109
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 1: thank you for rebooking me. Which one would you go with?

2110
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: Either A or C? I went with C because I thought,

2111
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I was fortunate enough to get on

2112
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: standby to get on that early flight home, and it

2113
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 1: is entirely possible. I know what that's like to stand

2114
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: there wondering if you're going to get on the flight.

2115
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: And so if I don't let them know I'm not

2116
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: going to make this flight, then that's going to deny

2117
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: somebody in an earlier opportunity to know that they're getting

2118
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: on the stand by flight. So I figured karma in

2119
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 1: that regard meant that I needed to pay that forward

2120
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 1: right in looking at the bracket, Eddie, there are always

2121
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that you feel like can surprise people.

2122
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I think Santa Clara. Santa Clara had a really good year.

2123
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 1: I think they I could be wrong in this. I

2124
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: think they split with both Gonzaga and Saint Mary's. I mean,

2125
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 1: the West Coast Conference has three teams in it in

2126
01:50:55,680 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: you know, two at large's and an AUTO and Santa Clara.

2127
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 1: I think did Santa Clara or Gonzaga? I think and

2128
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 1: Zaga won the conference tournament but Santa Clara, by defeating

2129
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: Saint Mary's to get to the finals got them in.

2130
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: But I think Santa Clara could could surprise Kentucky and

2131
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 1: then give Iowa State fits. I think b Yu's pretty good,

2132
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: and I think Byu could see Perdue for example. And

2133
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just have this feeling

2134
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: that Yukon is the one that wins it. And I

2135
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: think if I had to pick one, I would go

2136
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 1: with Yukon. Do you believe in this eddie? If a

2137
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: team gets really far, like, for example, Vanderbilt in Arkansas

2138
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: through the SEC Arkansas and this is applicable for Purdue,

2139
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 1: and we could talk to Tom Creene about this. Does

2140
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 1: it hurt you when you make a deep run into

2141
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 1: your conference tournament and then get beat? Does it wear

2142
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 1: you out? Good question? I mean four games in four days?

2143
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: Is that going to hurt Purdue? Does that mean momentum

2144
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: carry it through? These are nineteen twenty twenty one, twenty

2145
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 1: two year old guys.

2146
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 6: But I mean, well, they play Friday, right, so they've

2147
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 6: got some time to recover.

2148
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 1: Who's that Purdue? Yeah, I mean I get it, And

2149
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Queen's right, other than everybody

2150
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: thinks it's in Queens, New York, and it's actually North

2151
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: Carolina because Charlott's to Queen City. Yeah, in Miami, Florida, Missouri.

2152
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 1: I mean that could be tricky, right.

2153
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 6: I was upset Jake when I was watching that selection

2154
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 6: show yesterday going into it, I was like, okareat I

2155
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 6: said it last week on the show. Wisconsin was my

2156
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 6: underrated team to potentially make a final four run in

2157
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 6: the NCAA tournament because I really like the two guards.

2158
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,479
Speaker 6: They've got No. One winters should be coming back for

2159
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 6: the NCAA tournament, and they have another guy in rap

2160
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 6: and they've got another big that can alter shots at

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01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 6: the room. They can rebound really well, they can shoot, and.

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01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I like you even saying tournament. I don't really know.

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01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 6: I think it just kind of happened. Is this new

2164
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 6: thing for you probably the last two years, maybe three years,

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01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 6: I don't know, But Wisconsin was my underdog team to

2166
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 6: make the final four in my Cinderella team.

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01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: High point.

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01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 6: And I saw they got seated up against each other

2169
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 6: in the first time, was like, oh oh really, Oh yeah.

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01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 6: I was heartbroken for that because I don't know which

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01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 6: way I want to go with it.

2172
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,560
Speaker 1: Okay, here's another upset special for you.

2173
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 6: A team that I like to make the Final four,

2174
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 6: and GMV is probably gonna get a sports arousal as

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01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,720
Speaker 6: I say this. If he's listening is Saint Louis. I

2176
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 6: think the Pelicans are one of those teams where if

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01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 6: you've got a big man like Rabbi Avula that can

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01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 6: impact the game. He can shoot threes. Not a lot

2179
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 6: of teams in college basketball have floor spacing fives.

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Speaker 1: But they seem to cut. I don't disagree with you,

2181
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: but man, it's been a rough last three weeks for them, right.

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01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,680
Speaker 6: I know, I get it. I understand it. And if

2183
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 6: you look at the top four seeds in their region,

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01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 6: you've got Michigan, Iowa State, Virginia, Alabama two, three and

2185
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 6: four right there. Don't really scare me all that much

2186
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:06,839
Speaker 6: because I was Stave. Virginia, Alabama have all been jekylin

2187
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 6: Hyde this year. And you get a break or two

2188
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 6: next thing, you know, could have a nice little run.

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01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Okay, here's one. If I'm Illinois, I'm worried.

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01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: If I'm Illinois, I'm worried, not because of North Carolina

2191
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: or Virginia Commonwealth. I think Penn is scary.

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01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 6: Because a Fran McCaffery, and I forgot that Saint Louis

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01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 6: would have to be Michigan in order to make a

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01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 6: run in the tournament. So imagine that Josh Shirt versus

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01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 6: Dusty May round two.

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01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: That's the the J and V matchup of all time.

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01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 1: Right Yeah. I saw Northern Iowa played Indiana State this

2198
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: year and I kind of liked their roster.

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Speaker 6: I know the popular picker, the Zips.

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01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Are they really Yeah?

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01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 6: John Grossbe the Morning Show and Kevin Mark and I

2202
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 6: think James all had the Zip in their sweet sixteen.

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01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on Texas Tech either. They're very well coached.

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01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Tom Crean ESPN College Basketball Analyst Tournament breakdown next. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine, or I can't even imagine, for

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01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 1: that matter, what the schedule must look like for Tom

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01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Crean this time of year in terms of understanding the bracket,

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01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: looking at the teams, I think he does a remarkable

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Speaker 1: job of being able to talk about a number of

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01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: them in his work at ESPN. Of course, he needs

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01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 1: no introduction in this state. The former Indiana and Marquette

2212
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: basketball coach joining us now on the Java House, Colebrew

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01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: Coffee guest line coach. I'll get right to this with

2214
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: this bracket, and that is what was your overall just

2215
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: assessment of the selection committee and the way this bracket

2216
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 1: laid itself out.

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01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 2: I didn't think there were many surprises. I really didn't.

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Speaker 7: And I think going into the week, like a case

2219
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 7: like Miami Ohio, I think the only way they were

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01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 7: truly in was to be the automatic qualifier, and I

2221
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 7: really do, and I think the bottom line is like

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01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 7: once they didn't win, yeah they belong in there, but

2223
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 7: they were going to put them in date. I mean,

2224
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 7: it just it was about as clear as could be.

2225
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 7: And I think that's kind of where it's at is

2226
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 7: that you really, really, really really have to earn your

2227
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:28,200
Speaker 7: way in in a special way as a mid major

2228
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 7: outside of being the automatic qualifier to get into that tournament.

2229
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 7: And it's only going to continue to grow that way.

2230
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 7: It's just going to continue to expand and you're going

2231
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 7: to have I mean, the first four is a great example.

2232
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 7: You've got NC State, You've got SMU, you've got Texas,

2233
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 7: and then you've got Miami Ohio. And that's kind of

2234
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 7: how it's going to be whether the tournament expands someday

2235
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 7: or not, it's going to be set up for the

2236
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 7: high majors. But I do think with that being said

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01:56:56,600 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 7: that they did a good job. The only one that

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01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 7: I was I was surprised that NTI State went to Dayton,

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01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 7: and I was a little a lot surprised that SMU

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01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 7: was able to get in over either. I still thought

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01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 7: Auburn would end up in date, but whether it be

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01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 7: Dayton or Oklahoma, I was a little surprised that they

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01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 7: got in. And then I think some of the seedings

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01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 7: were a little wild, but you know, especially like with

2245
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 7: Saint John's being a five. But I think overall it

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01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 7: did a great job. And when you look at that

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01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 7: bracket and when you look at it come out, you go,

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01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 7: mayn there's a lot of really good teams, because for

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01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 7: the last few weeks it's really kind of shifted to

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Speaker 7: whether there's just certain teams that are head and shoulders

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Speaker 7: better than each other. Then all of a sudden you

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01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 7: see the conference tournaments and you see the brackets come

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01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 7: out and say, no, there are a lot of good teams.

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01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 7: So I think, more than anything, last part of that

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01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 7: is I'd have to go back and really look at it.

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Speaker 7: But I would say this is a huge matchup driven

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Speaker 7: tournament over the highest seed teams, higher teams going into

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01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 7: the first weekend. You know, it's always a matchup driven

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01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 7: thing unless you're really talented when you get into the

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01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 7: second weekend, but the first weekend, I think more than ever,

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Speaker 7: it's very matchup writing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So with that, is there a team you know

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01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 1: we know coach that like Duke is great, we know

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01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 1: Arizona's great, you know, I mean obviously we know that

2265
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: the ones and the twos how good they can be.

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01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: Is there a team that jumps out at you though,

2267
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 1: where you look at them and say, maybe that from

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01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 1: a league we're not as familiar with, but they play

2269
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 1: stylistically away that might catch people off guard because they

2270
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: play a unique brand of basketball that isn't necessarily replicated

2271
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 1: across the board in one of the power forwards.

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01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, South Florida comes to mind right away, no

2273
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 7: question about it. And I did a game for them

2274
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago, and it's unbelievable how hard they play,

2275
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 7: how quick and fast they play. They're aggressive defensively, they

2276
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 7: shoot it quick. Everybody thinks it's a three point shooting team.

2277
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 2: It is, but it's a layup team.

2278
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 7: It's a drive through the elbows team, it's a attack

2279
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 7: the rim team, it's a get foul team. It's just

2280
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 7: a really quick, fast paced team. And I think when

2281
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 7: people are looking at the brackets, it's really interesting because

2282
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 7: this because in this quick turnaround more than ever, when

2283
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 7: you've got a style of play that you are not

2284
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 7: used to seeing and now you've got to get ready

2285
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 7: for it mentally, physically, emotionally. There is a big part

2286
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 7: of this too, and you've got to get ready for

2287
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 7: it in a day and a half. And that team

2288
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 7: is conditioned to be to play at a certain pace

2289
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 7: because they've been conditioned at it all year. Everybody can say, well,

2290
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 7: you know, the timeouts are longer, that's a.

2291
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 4: Bunch of nonsets.

2292
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 7: If a team is really in great shape and they

2293
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 7: are really committed to their style and you're not used

2294
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 7: to that, it can become a real problem for a team.

2295
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 7: And that's where South Florida could really sneak in there.

2296
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 2: And there are others, but.

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01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 7: That's a big one. If there's any other ones you

2298
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 7: want to talk about, I'd be happy to. But that's

2299
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:05,720
Speaker 7: that's somebody that sticks out to me and I've seen

2300
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 7: them in person.

2301
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:07,880
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it was impressive.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought this in kretm if I'm wrong, you know,

2303
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:13,919
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, for example, with the number of teams

2304
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 1: now in the Big Ten, one of the advantages if

2305
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: you're coming out of the Big Ten is there are

2306
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 1: very few styles you haven't seen yet, Right Like, Iowa

2307
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 1: plays a totally different style than you know, whoever, Michigan

2308
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, I'm just throwing out teams. But so,

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02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: what I wanted to know is is there a league

2310
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: that you of the leagues that are represented in the

2311
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:37,120
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, is there a conference that you look at

2312
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:41,200
Speaker 1: it and you say that conference across the board offers

2313
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 1: the least versatility of style and thus may have less

2314
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 1: prepared its representative versus other conferences.

2315
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Speaker 5: In this tournament.

2316
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Speaker 7: If you took uh, no, I was going to say,

2317
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 7: I was going to say the SEC. But now, because

2318
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 7: Florida is so good, Alabama's got a very fast pace.

2319
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 7: You can score in Alabama. You can definitely score in Alabama.

2320
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 7: You can get fouled by Alabama that they play so fast. Now,

2321
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Speaker 7: because everybody's different, right, Like, it's some of the similar teams,

2322
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 7: like in the Big Ten, with Illinois the way they

2323
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 7: shoot the ball, with Wisconsin the way they shoot the ball,

2324
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 7: they can create a lot of problems, especially Wisconsin. They

2325
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:27,280
Speaker 7: lose it withero point three seconds to Michigan. The other

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02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,520
Speaker 7: day they beat them at Michigan, and those two games,

2327
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 7: they've made thirty one threes against Michigan, and I'm not

2328
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 7: sure if it's half of them have come from the

2329
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 7: front line, but it's really close if it's not half.

2330
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 7: And I just think those are the kind of styles

2331
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 7: of play it's that can create a problem. But I

2332
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 7: don't think I don't think there's any league right now,

2333
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:52,200
Speaker 7: of the power leagues that's not used to something when

2334
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 7: you haven't played Saint John's or when you haven't played

2335
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 7: Yukon and the way that they can get up and

2336
02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 7: suffocate you. And we just saw it with Yukon drilling

2337
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 7: Saint John's a couple of weeks ago, and then Saint

2338
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 7: John's just would not let up on Yukon this past

2339
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 7: Saturday night. Those things are hard to deal with, But

2340
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:11,080
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any league that hasn't seen enough,

2341
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 7: especially with all the great non league games there are now.

2342
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Tom Crean my guest. Of course you see him on ESPN.

2343
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. Coach.

2344
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,880
Speaker 1: Purdue played four games in four days, and certainly it

2345
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: looks like Matt Painter, you know, reawakened what it was

2346
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: that we expected from Purdue at the beginning of the

2347
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 1: year and where they played some of their best ball

2348
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 1: away from Mackie oddly enough. But is there from a

2349
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, when your team would play like Ford, you know,

2350
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 1: you go into that. Is there a danger there in

2351
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:43,040
Speaker 1: exerting all of that to win the Big ten tournament

2352
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 1: and then have to turn right back around into the

2353
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:45,400
Speaker 1: Big one?

2354
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 2: Only if it was Thursday out west and and I

2355
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 2: forget where they go?

2356
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 4: Where do they go?

2357
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: They are, eddiewhere they played. They're playing on Friday, right.

2358
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're Friday. I just don't remember what city.

2359
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:58,240
Speaker 1: I've got to look and see what city because this

2360
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 1: one doesn't have the sites. Can you look at the city, Eddie.

2361
02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out west though, Eddie's looking here,

2362
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,960
Speaker 1: but so, but if it is out west, that is

2363
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:10,640
Speaker 1: that of concern.

2364
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 7: Arkansas has got to go to Portland, right, and they

2365
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 7: got to play an early game, and they just played

2366
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 7: those games like that is a little bit of a

2367
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:21,240
Speaker 7: concern when they got to go off that far. Saint

2368
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 7: John's played Saturday night, they got to go to San Diego,

2369
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 7: and again I don't.

2370
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 4: Have the days in front of me, but to St.

2371
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 1: Louis, by the way, Yeah, that's no, that's no issue.

2372
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 2: And it's a Friday, right.

2373
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's good. That's good news right now.

2374
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 4: I love their matchups.

2375
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:40,000
Speaker 7: I love their matchups because Missouri and Miami are two

2376
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 7: different teams. But if you and they're going to try

2377
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 7: to overpower you with drives, right like, Missouri.

2378
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 2: Really wants to go at you.

2379
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:50,920
Speaker 7: They want to, they want to bring their bigs, but

2380
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:54,800
Speaker 7: they those teams will have a hard time dealing with

2381
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 7: Matt's ball screen schemes. Michigan has a hard time with it.

2382
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 7: I thought this when Purdue lost to Michigan. Whenever they played,

2383
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 7: I thought Purdue was way closer to beating Michigan than

2384
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:09,960
Speaker 7: it looked like on the scoreboard. Michigan got hot, they

2385
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 7: got some things done, and Purdue almost got away a

2386
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:14,880
Speaker 7: little bit that first time from what was working.

2387
02:04:14,920 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't get away from.

2388
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 2: It yesterday and the way they attacked Michigan's bodies, because

2389
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 2: that's how you do it.

2390
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,440
Speaker 7: You beat Michigan one of two ways. You either go

2391
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 7: and attack them like Duke did and like Purdue did

2392
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:28,240
Speaker 7: a lot yesterday, like you go into their bodies, you

2393
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 7: back them up, or you beat them on a high

2394
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 7: pick and roll spacing with your five pick and pop

2395
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:39,080
Speaker 7: type things, which is what Wisconsin has done. And to me,

2396
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,680
Speaker 7: that's where Michigan's vulnerable. So like here's Purdue. There's so

2397
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 7: many styles of play that Purdue can play because of

2398
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 7: what Trey kafferin Ren can do. And everybody said, well,

2399
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:50,800
Speaker 7: Fletcher Lawyer's got to do this, and he's got to

2400
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:52,040
Speaker 7: do the ah, he's got to be good.

2401
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:53,640
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to be great.

2402
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 7: Braydon Smith has to continue to attack, play out of

2403
02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 7: the pick and roll, make the decisions that he makes.

2404
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 7: And then because Oscar Kloff, now he becomes an incredibly

2405
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:06,080
Speaker 7: hard matchup because he can overpower you inside, he can

2406
02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:09,600
Speaker 7: step out and shoot, and I think Purdue could really

2407
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 7: get hot here. The the issue that they have at

2408
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,920
Speaker 7: times is they can get stuck on the pick and

2409
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 7: roll coverage, where now Oscar Kluff has to recover or

2410
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:22,240
Speaker 7: he has to go out and guard a big and

2411
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:24,040
Speaker 7: he's not that good at that. You know, it was

2412
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 7: a lot easier last year when Trey kaufferin Red was

2413
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 7: guarding the Fox. You know, when you got Zach Edie.

2414
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,680
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of things that somebody can do

2415
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 7: that that are going to hurt you in the paint.

2416
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 7: But you can stretch people out with the shooting. And

2417
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 7: that's the only thing that I see that can hurt

2418
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 7: them if they stay on this pace that they're at,

2419
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:46,360
Speaker 7: maybe somebody that really got up into them physically, but

2420
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 7: they can just keep back in that ball screen up

2421
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 7: with Braden Smith and he can operate so well out

2422
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 7: of it.

2423
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 2: I think Purdue could. I think they could go a long,

2424
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 2: long way.

2425
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 1: Coach. We heard earlier today, obviously the Thad Moda deciding

2426
02:05:57,480 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 1: to retire from coaching in college basketball one hundred and

2427
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 1: two career wins, nearly seventy winning percentage of parafinal four trips.

2428
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 1: Wanted to just get your overall thoughts on the career

2429
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:08,600
Speaker 1: of Fad Bada.

2430
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:10,440
Speaker 2: Big time Hall of Famer.

2431
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 7: I've said that since I was coaching against him in

2432
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:15,560
Speaker 7: the Big Ten, I saw him coach. A few weeks

2433
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,480
Speaker 7: ago when I was up at Marquette to get an

2434
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:20,480
Speaker 7: honor from Marquetta and then a lot of our.

2435
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 2: Former players are back. They honored our first Big East team.

2436
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:25,480
Speaker 7: I saw what he's doing there, you know, dealing with

2437
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 7: the injuries. I thought he did an incredible coaching job

2438
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,400
Speaker 7: this year. He had a lot of injuries, he didn't

2439
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:34,360
Speaker 7: have great shooting. He made guys better, you know, he

2440
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:38,360
Speaker 7: brought confidence, like to Michael kid Led the country and

2441
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:43,040
Speaker 7: rebounding or second and the rebounding and the confidency unleashed

2442
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 7: in him was incredible. Watching Philly Bizjack, the way that

2443
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:51,080
Speaker 7: he plays, He's he's a huge winner than a winner

2444
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 7: everywhere that he's been and no question in my mind

2445
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,040
Speaker 7: with what he's done over a period of time. Some

2446
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 7: of these other guys are in the Hall of Fame

2447
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:01,280
Speaker 7: that bad Modis should be in there and do time

2448
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 7: as well. That he is a tremendous coach. He was

2449
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:10,320
Speaker 7: always always hard to go against because he's a little

2450
02:07:10,440 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 7: like Matt Painter, Like Matt will really adjust what he's

2451
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 7: doing to the personnel that he has, you know, and

2452
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 7: that could always really do a good job of recruiting

2453
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:22,160
Speaker 7: his personnel, but he would also change. He would also

2454
02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 7: play to the personnel, so you were constantly happen to

2455
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 7: There was no patterned way you were going to play

2456
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:30,800
Speaker 7: against or beat Ohio State. You had to continue to

2457
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:34,280
Speaker 7: adjust it constantly. And I thought he was phenomenal at that.

2458
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:35,280
Speaker 7: He's had a great career.

2459
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 1: You know that league and you know this state. Would

2460
02:07:38,720 --> 02:07:40,720
Speaker 1: you be interested in the Butler job?

2461
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:43,760
Speaker 7: Well, I think the way that's come down now, I

2462
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:46,800
Speaker 7: would answer it like this. I think for the announcement

2463
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 7: to come out now, after saying that he was going

2464
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:50,520
Speaker 7: to come back, I would think this is all set

2465
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 7: and they know exactly what they're doing, So it would

2466
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:55,680
Speaker 7: be I don't mind hypotheticals, but that one doesn't even

2467
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 7: seem like that would be a reality one to me

2468
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:01,040
Speaker 7: because I would just think that they have that figured out,

2469
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:04,720
Speaker 7: or because the timing is just too you know, because

2470
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 7: they had announced he was coming back right.

2471
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,400
Speaker 1: Correct, three days ago, I believe, And I wondered if

2472
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:14,040
Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't the university just wanting people to understand

2473
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:17,240
Speaker 1: that this would was his decision, you know, And I

2474
02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 1: would think at that point they knew, right, he deserves that.

2475
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I got a lot of respect, especially in

2476
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 7: that state, when people know how to handle their business

2477
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:28,440
Speaker 7: in the athletic department right, and they did a good

2478
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:30,040
Speaker 7: job with that. I give Graham a lot of credit

2479
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 7: for that. However it played out, and I don't have

2480
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 7: any knowledge other than.

2481
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:38,000
Speaker 2: Then just what I've read and seen, but for that

2482
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 2: to be able to announce it on his own terms,

2483
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:41,720
Speaker 2: that was really really important.

2484
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 1: So obviously you haven't talked to anybody there.

2485
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 7: Oh no, not at all. No, No, I would think

2486
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 7: that I would think that is done. I would think

2487
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 7: that that that that would be. But I'm not who

2488
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 7: would your guest be?

2489
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 1: Because I you know, my first thought was steal from Miami,

2490
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 1: and then other people told me that probably no, that's

2491
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 1: probably not so much the case. I think Ronald Nora

2492
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:06,400
Speaker 1: would seem to make sense. But who would be your guests?

2493
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:08,720
Speaker 7: Well, I would think if it's not a total in

2494
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 7: house person from Butler, I wouldn't rule out John Gross

2495
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 7: of Acron. He's had done a tremendous job. It's got

2496
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:17,800
Speaker 7: the ties. It would it would It would surprise me

2497
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,680
Speaker 7: if it wasn't somebody that that was a part of

2498
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 7: that fabric of I don't want to say it's the

2499
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:25,040
Speaker 7: Butler way because it continues to evolve. But it would

2500
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 7: it would surprise me at this point the way it's

2501
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,040
Speaker 7: all come down if it wasn't somebody that they had

2502
02:09:30,080 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 7: earmarked for this. And so yeah, Ronald Nora and all

2503
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:36,400
Speaker 7: those guys, but anybody that fits that bill, that's good.

2504
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 2: But John Gross has.

2505
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 7: Done an incredible job at an incredible job. And I'll

2506
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:44,360
Speaker 7: actually have their game. I'll be with Westwood one on.

2507
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 2: Uh Friday, so I'll see their game against Texas Techer

2508
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,320
Speaker 2: call their game. But he's done a great job.

2509
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:54,960
Speaker 1: Texas Tech's really well coached too. That'll be a great

2510
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: matchup because Gross, he's one of the best in the

2511
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 1: country today.

2512
02:09:57,400 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 7: McCaslin is one of the when he's doing with that team,

2513
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:01,120
Speaker 7: and I you know, they've lost three in a row,

2514
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:03,960
Speaker 7: but to lose JT. Toppin who was probably going to

2515
02:10:04,040 --> 02:10:06,560
Speaker 7: be the Big twelve Player of the Year after being

2516
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:09,160
Speaker 7: that last year and what he does is a player,

2517
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 7: and then to ring off three.

2518
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 5: Wins in a row after that.

2519
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 7: I had one of the of the cools after they've

2520
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 7: run after they beat iwas state for Fox. I called

2521
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 7: there was an analyst for the TCU Texas Tech game.

2522
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 7: He could he could beat some people. There is no

2523
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:27,240
Speaker 7: doubt about that. If people are looking at their at

2524
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:31,280
Speaker 7: their at their at their pools, I would not sleep. Now.

2525
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 7: The problem is you don't You don't know if Christian

2526
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:35,640
Speaker 7: Anderson is going to be one hundred percent, And I'm

2527
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:38,280
Speaker 7: not sure they could go on without him because he's

2528
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,040
Speaker 7: one of the great guards in the country. But if

2529
02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:43,960
Speaker 7: he's healthy and he's cleared and he feels good, that

2530
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 7: team can beat a lot of people because of the

2531
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,240
Speaker 7: case of play, the way they shoot it. He's just

2532
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 7: outstanding coach and they.

2533
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 1: Just they seem to always know where the loose balls are.

2534
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 1: They just are a very well prepared basketball team, no

2535
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: question about that, no doubt, uh, coach. I know it'll

2536
02:10:57,680 --> 02:10:59,400
Speaker 1: be a busy time, man. I don't know how much

2537
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:01,080
Speaker 1: sleep you'll get over the next couple of weeks, but

2538
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,480
Speaker 1: I love every minute of it, and I certainly enjoy

2539
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:06,360
Speaker 1: your perspectives, your coverage as well. We'll be watching and

2540
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:10,840
Speaker 1: listening throughout March. Badness appreciated, Jake, appreciate it. Tom Green

2541
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House coldbrew Coffee guest slang.

2542
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:16,320
Speaker 1: JFV is in the house. I saw him just a

2543
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 1: little bit ago, and we will find out what he's

2544
02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:21,200
Speaker 1: got cooking on the program. We'll do it part as

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2548
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Speaker 1: Just one of your sounders, Eddie. Maybe could be right.

2549
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Speaker 1: We will continue to give away numbers tomorrow thanks to

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Speaker 1: Tom Crean. Really good stuff there. J ANDV has arrived. John,

2551
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:49,000
Speaker 1: what's on the Big Program today? On the Big Show Today?

2552
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:52,200
Speaker 1: The former Gardner Purdue now the buckets on the Show today.

2553
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:53,680
Speaker 1: You got to say it again because your mike would

2554
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:55,520
Speaker 1: not No, it wasn't it should have been.

2555
02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:56,320
Speaker 5: That was my fault.

2556
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 1: No one, that's okay, Chris Kramer, former boy of the Maker.

2557
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:01,120
Speaker 1: Now today, will you my back here real quick because

2558
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 1: Eddie the other day Eddie mentioned to me, he goes, yeah,

2559
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: your MIC's not on, and I said, I know I

2560
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:05,320
Speaker 1: turned this on.

2561
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:08,440
Speaker 9: I know it because it sticks that button sticks over there.

2562
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 9: See I have to look down and make sure that

2563
02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 9: the red is not on when I don't want to

2564
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:15,800
Speaker 9: be heard. So it's not just me, No, it is

2565
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 9: not it absolutely sticks, but no Chris Kramer, buckets, Stephen Holder,

2566
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 9: little Colt stuff here too kind of interesting. It's going

2567
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:26,440
Speaker 9: to get lost in the shuffle, and it should for basketball.

2568
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:28,200
Speaker 9: I'm glad that it is a little bit this week.

2569
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:31,160
Speaker 9: But outside of Daniel Jones and Alex Pierce, I think

2570
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:33,160
Speaker 9: you're gonna have Pierce on it at some point coming

2571
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:34,240
Speaker 9: up here, right, I believe so.

2572
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look at what the Coults have accomplished.

2573
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 9: It's not really making anybody get the warm and fuzzies

2574
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:42,520
Speaker 9: about this upcoming season.

2575
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 1: It's kind of rinsing repeated.

2576
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:45,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, well we knew it was going to be that way,

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02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:47,560
Speaker 9: just because they're quote running it back.

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02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:51,800
Speaker 1: But you better hope that that Sauce Gardener.

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02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:55,480
Speaker 9: Sauce Gardner seems like he's your best recruiting angle right now,

2580
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:57,520
Speaker 9: trying to get guys in here and maybe they he

2581
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:01,400
Speaker 9: can help find, you know, some uh, some defensive end,

2582
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:04,520
Speaker 9: some edge rusher of significance that they need.

2583
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 1: By the way, when's the last time, John, you had

2584
02:13:06,440 --> 02:13:09,400
Speaker 1: to get blood? I had to do a blood draw

2585
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: this morning and I'm still reeling from it. No, really,

2586
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan.

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02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:15,480
Speaker 9: Did you have to you look all red and did

2588
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:16,840
Speaker 9: you were you in the sun yet? You were in

2589
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:18,800
Speaker 9: the sun this week from my blood draw.

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02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:19,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

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02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was for the IndyCar race in Texas. It

2592
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 1: was both sun and wind. I don't know which is

2593
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:26,880
Speaker 1: a little both. What was that race?

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02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:27,160
Speaker 4: Like?

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02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 1: Nice venue? It was, It was sold out, it was packed,

2596
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:32,520
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was great.

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02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:33,600
Speaker 4: Uh, it was.

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02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:35,440
Speaker 1: It was good to see a new event like that

2599
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:38,160
Speaker 1: where they put it together and the market bought into it,

2600
02:13:38,240 --> 02:13:41,160
Speaker 1: and it was it was absolutely packed. Is it better

2601
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:45,040
Speaker 1: than the Texas Speedway event? Used to be good question?

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02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:47,560
Speaker 1: Because man, those when you would get those cars side

2603
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:49,760
Speaker 1: by side on that high bankdval was pretty awesome. It's

2604
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,640
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. But in terms of the atmosphere, it was

2605
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:53,240
Speaker 1: great and went right between the two, you know. The

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02:13:53,880 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 1: My broadcast position was the old ballpark when the Rangers played,

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02:13:57,560 --> 02:14:01,360
Speaker 1: and so during the like the day time, I basically

2608
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:03,320
Speaker 1: had the keys to the stadium. It's great. Just went

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02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,000
Speaker 1: in and sat down. There were taking seats out and

2610
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:06,640
Speaker 1: I could have I could have brought you back a seat.

2611
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:08,800
Speaker 1: So that was the ball that's nothing new, and that's

2612
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:10,960
Speaker 1: the old one rack to the ballpark. The track went

2613
02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:13,840
Speaker 1: right down the street that divides the two.

2614
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:17,680
Speaker 9: So essentially the Rangers, who I think have been in

2615
02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 9: the World Series one time in their existence twice.

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02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 1: I had to look it up. Yeah, I forget, so

2617
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:23,160
Speaker 1: they have.

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02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:27,839
Speaker 9: They have essentially how many decades of Major League Baseball

2619
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:31,360
Speaker 9: had three stadiums in this amount of decades, that's incredible.

2620
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. The parking lot that they use is where the

2621
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:36,520
Speaker 1: first one was, where like nol Ryan threw his you know,

2622
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 1: seventh nomber, and then the ballpark which was it still

2623
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:43,960
Speaker 1: looks brand new. It's built in ninety four. Yeah, and

2624
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:48,200
Speaker 1: so it lasted for twenty six years and they tore

2625
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 1: it down or they threw the Rookie didn't tear it down.

2626
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:53,600
Speaker 1: It's right there, correct, And then right from the new one,

2627
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:58,800
Speaker 1: it's a cool looking park. They use it for college

2628
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 1: soccer and high school f ball in the UFL.

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02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:03,840
Speaker 9: Last year, you guys ever watched The Rookie with Dennis Quaid,

2630
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:06,400
Speaker 9: which is a good film. It is based upon the

2631
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:09,280
Speaker 9: existence in Major League Baseball of Jim Morris. But do

2632
02:15:09,320 --> 02:15:11,840
Speaker 9: you ever notice how stone Dennis Quaid looks throughout that

2633
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:13,240
Speaker 9: movie what he calls.

2634
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:15,560
Speaker 1: Looked.

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02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:21,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's just like he's always got that befuddled look like, wait,

2636
02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:24,160
Speaker 9: like I just left his brothers. Well, it's it's like yeah,

2637
02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 9: it's like I don't know if he's allowed to go there.

2638
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 9: It's like Sam the Butcher and Brady Bunch, remember when

2639
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:34,400
Speaker 9: he played Dopey and when they did Yeah, yeah, that's

2640
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,640
Speaker 9: that's exactly what Dennis Quaid looks like throughout.

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02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:43,760
Speaker 10: The Rookie's that Sam the Butcher. Yeah, we forgot the apple.

2642
02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 10: Where's the poison apple? That's Mike Brady right now.

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02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,320
Speaker 1: Mark, Mark Millard came back in town, right.

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02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:54,040
Speaker 9: I guarantee you the cop had seen Mike Brady out

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02:15:54,040 --> 02:16:00,040
Speaker 9: in about dressed like that before. Now, my guy, I

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02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:02,800
Speaker 9: don't know, but the Butcher here is a new thing at.

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02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:06,360
Speaker 1: All. Right, John's up next. I'll be back with you.

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Speaker 1: We'll give away more numbers tomorrow at noon until three

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Speaker 1: on the fan. Thanks for listening to Quarry Company.