1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun Show. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Monday Gun Day with the gun Guy. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Just watch up with the guns. They'll get your guy. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Stop calling your arms gun ever show. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: a very special guest on the hotline. 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: To a attorney, firearms instructor and the host of the 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show. Saturday's here at ninety three WIBC. Guy 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: Ralpher joins us. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Guy, how are you man? 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Now, how 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: in the blue hell does this happen? 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Guy? 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, that process is a little bit of a mystery 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: to me. I'm not, you know, a part of the NRA. 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: I'm a member, have been for a long time. I'm 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: a lifetime member, but I don't participate in that process. 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: But I've been talking to a lot of folks at 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: NRA about this, And in fact, the local Indiana affiliate 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: of NRA is the Indiana State Rifle and Fiscal Association, 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: and I believe either right now or later this evening, 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: they're going to have an article posted which people can 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: see it at iss r PA. It's for Indiannasty Rifle 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: and Fistol Association IRPA dot org. And I've been talking 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:20,279 Speaker 2: to them about this. But apparently NRA is sufficiently impressed 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: with what Jefferson Shreed did in his first two years 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: in Congress, because he's been there for two years. He 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: co sponsored the National Concealed Carrier Reciprocity Act that's spending 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: this time. He voted in favor of the Big beautiful 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: bill that reduced the taxes to zero on short brail 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: rifles and shortbrail truckguns and suppressors. And apparently he's been 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: very communicative and working hard to win over NRA's support 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: to the extent that NRA decided to give him an endorsement. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: And emotionally, guys, I have I have. It's a character 49 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: flaw and I know it, and I'm working. I can't 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: say I'm working hard because there's this sort of way 51 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: I am. But I hold a grudge. Man, I hold 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: a grudge, and I'm having a real hard time remembering 53 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: the platform that Jefferson Tree put out when he was 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: running from mayor and being willing to trust this guy 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: going forward. So all I can do myself is commit 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: to having an open mind and people can change. I suppose, man, 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm willing to consider that. But man, I'm telling you, 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 2: I hold a grudge and I'm having a hard time 59 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: with it. Yeah. 60 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: We had his primary challenger on our program, Sarah Brown, 61 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: this past Friday. And I know on your program, the 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: gun Guy, You've been having some conversations with some folks 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: that you believe are some two w A fighters. 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, that's exactly right. In fact, I put 65 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: out an invitation to Jeffer she shrieved the Congressman shreve 66 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: I should say and said, Hey, some people are are 67 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: gagging a little bit. I'm fair phrasing, but people are 68 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: pushing back a little bit on this endorsement from n RA. 69 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: A people you don't necessarily uh expressed an interest in 70 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: in in trusting you. Yet, why don't you come on 71 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: the show and uh tell folks in your words why 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: you think you deserve not only n ra's endorsement, but 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: the trust of Indiana gun owners. And I've gotten I've 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: not gotten a response to that. And I said something like, uh, 75 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: it's not going to be a love in, but it'll 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: be respectful, meaning I'm going to be in full on, 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: uh cross examination mode. But I've got no response to that. 78 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Yeah, Sarah Genie, uh that you just mentioned, 79 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: and I for your last name, I'm driving Brown. I 80 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: think yes, is the is the the primary opponent, and 81 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: I've invited her on her folks have already said, yeah, 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: hell yeah, we'll come on and we'll have a full 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: on discussion about Second Amendment rights in Indiana. And so 84 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm hoping I'm hoping that Jefferson Treed does too. Like 85 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: I said, I'm not going to be general with him, 86 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: that's not my nature, but I sure love to give 87 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: him the opportunity to explain why he's now a legitimate 88 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: proponent of Second Amendment rights. 89 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: Hey, guy, expand and we don't have to spend a 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of time on this, But the NRA was going 91 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: through a bad time there for a while with its 92 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: leader Wayne law Pierre. And it's you know, spending three 93 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on luxury suits. I know he had 94 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: to resign after thirty thousand or after thirty years. How 95 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: is the NRA doing. I know you're part of the 96 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: two A project and that's your thing, but you know, 97 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: the NRA is a pretty big deal too. How are 98 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: they if they bounce back at all? In general? 99 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think they're starting to do. I think starting 100 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: to win back credibility. I think they're they're they're they're they're. 101 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: What they've been trying to do is wind down all 102 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: these horrific litigation expenses have been caught up, and some 103 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: of it is not their fault. I mean, some of 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: it definitely is their fault. Like Wayne Lapierre's mismanagement of 105 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: funds and what brought some of that on. But they've 106 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: also been the victim of some really horrific, frivolous lawsuits 107 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: as well. But they're trying to bring down those legal 108 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: expenses and get back to devoting their resources to what 109 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: they should be, which is advocating for second memories and 110 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: doing what they've done for generations, which is training gun 111 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: owners and teaching gun safety and responsible gun use, just 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: like I do on my show and I do with 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: the two A Project. So I think NRI is on 114 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: the way back. We have three really solid and are 115 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: A board members from Indiana and and people I know 116 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: well consider friends of mine, and they definitely are trying 117 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: to get NRA back onto the right track. But man, 118 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: it's it's like turning an aircraft carrier. It's a great, big, 119 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, huge organization. It's got don't I don't even know. 120 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: It's got something like thirty some members of the board 121 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: of directors, and so it's tough to institute change. But 122 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: I think changing it at the top with Wayne Wayne 123 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: LaPier being gone and and and he's guilty, he just 124 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: flat is of mismanaging that organization. Certainly in his later years. 125 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: I think NRA is heading in the right direction and 126 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: we need NRA. The reason I'm not willing to abandon 127 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: NRA and I stuck with him in their in their 128 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: tough times, is because I still say we need a strong, 129 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: well funded, effective uh NRA advocating for us to try 130 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: to counter all the anti's out there, man, because they're big, 131 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: the Brady Campaign and Mom's Demand Right and every Town 132 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: for Gun Safety and the Violence Policy Center. These are big, 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: well funded, rich organizations with which was you know, with 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: with a lot of Bloomberg and others are millions of 135 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: dollars into them, and we got to fight them, and 136 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: we got them. We got to go head to head 137 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: with him and RA A I think is needed. We 138 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: also have strong alternative national organizations. The Gun Owners of 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 2: America is solid, Firearms Policy Coalition is solid, The Second 140 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: Amendment Foundation is solid. I'm a number of all those 141 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: and they've had a lot of good wins in the 142 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: courtroom here lately. But h but I want, I'm hoping 143 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: and I'm rooting for n IRA to come all the 144 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: way back because I still say we need them. Guy. 145 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: If somebody is listening right now and they hear us 146 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: reference to two A Project. That's the group that you 147 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: started that you are the head of. What is the 148 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 3: fundamental difference between the two A Project and a group 149 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: like the NRA. 150 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 2: Well, obviously we're we're hugely smaller, and so we were 151 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: very nimble in terms of the ability to to show 152 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: up in the legislature, to draft bills, to make things happen. 153 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: And our focus is here locally in Indiana. Now. I've 154 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: been vocal with our congressional delegation and trying to get 155 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: things done there, but our role focus is Indiana and 156 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: the state legislature. And if anybody, anybody you know who 157 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: was in the State House when we got constitutional carry 158 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: passed in twenty twenty two, they say, who was right 159 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: out front on helping draft that legislation and then fighting 160 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: in the in the General Assembly to get it passed. 161 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: Two Way Project is if it's not number one, it's 162 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: on the short list as far as getting things done. Now, 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: our local representative for NRA was great, huge, very effective, 164 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: and I RPA as a local affiliate. Those folks are there, 165 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: they're working hard, they're showing up. But Two Way Projects 166 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: focused on Indiana were small, nimble, we're growing remembering all 167 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: the time, but we get stuff done because because we 168 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: know how to get it done right Here in Indiana. 169 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: Monday Gun Day with the gun Guy, Guy Relford here 170 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: on Hammer in Nigel Show Guy. The Secretary of War 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: Pete Hegseith is now allowing personal firearms on military basis. 172 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: A lot of people probably didn't know that that was 173 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: banned to begin with. But is this a big deal? 174 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: It is a big deal, and it's especially a big 175 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: deal because the number of shootings, including mass shootings, we've 176 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: seen on military basis. And you guys remember the horrific 177 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: shooting down in Chattanooga at a reserve station and also 178 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: a recruiting office. But we've seen him at Fort Hood twice. 179 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: Just recently we saw one in Fort Stewart, SA up 180 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: in Naval Yard in Washington, d C. And a big 181 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: frustration for a lot of us is because military installations, 182 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: for the most part, other than the MPs, the military police, 183 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: or when soldiers or sailors and marines are doing training, 184 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: they're gun free. Zoons firearms aren't allowed. Now nominally it's 185 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: controlled by the base commander, but as I'm told by 186 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: my friends and you know, I never served in the military, 187 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: but I'm an awful lot of friends you did. And 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm told that the universal policy, the pervasive policy, if 189 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: not universal, is base commanders say if they allow any 190 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: personal firearms on the base at all, they have to 191 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: be checked in and kept in secure storage and only 192 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: issued out under very rare and select circumstances. And the 193 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: general bottom line is members of our armed services while 194 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: they're on base are defenseless. And that's why you know, 195 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: people will come up, will try to crash the gate, 196 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: and they're otherwise try to get on base and then 197 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: and then do murder soldiers, sailors and marines with no 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: defense to be put up. And and that's been frustrating 199 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: to a lot of people for a long time. And 200 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: sect War Secretary of War Pete Hextd last week came 201 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: out and said he's ending that policy. That the defold 202 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: position again subject to base commander decision making, but the 203 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: base position for the military has to be to allow 204 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: personal firearms on base for personal defense. That if there's 205 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: some reason a base commander wants to deny someone that 206 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: they have to write up why that's consistent with the 207 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: overall safety of the people on base and why it's 208 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: good policy, but that should be the exception more than 209 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: the rule. And I loved this, by the way, because 210 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen, after the Chattanooga shooting involving that 211 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: recruiting station and a reserve base, then Governor Mike Pennance 212 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: came out in response really to that shooting and said, 213 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: you know what, if our National Guard guardsmen and women 214 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: here in Indiana has had training with handguns, they can 215 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: carry their personal handguns on on base at National Guard 216 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: installations here in Indiana, and some of the folks around 217 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: the state had not had any handgun training yet or 218 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: in a lot of ms. There's a lot of jobs 219 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: in the military, they don't get handgun training because they 220 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: don't get issued handguns. And so I actually went down 221 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: to the National Guard base in Johnson County and taught, gosh, 222 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: I don't know as huge, I want to say, a 223 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: couple of hundred guardsmen. We're all, you know, big room. 224 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: And I taught the basic pistol course down there to 225 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: a bunch of National guardsmen and women to allow them 226 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: to carry their personal firearms on their Indiana National Guard basis. 227 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: So here, you know, ten twelve years later, eleven years later, 228 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: we've got Secretary of War really catching up the rest 229 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: of the military, which what Governor Pence did back in 230 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. 231 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: Guy, if somebody wants to reach out to you, hire you, 232 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: ask a question to you. How can they find you? 233 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: Really the best way to see the website it's Relford 234 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: Law dot com. Rlfred law dot com. 235 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: Guy, we always appreciate you breaking things down for us 236 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: on a Monday. Thank you, brother, hey 237 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: Man, thank you guys.