1
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartber and the Crossroads of America. It's

2
00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:53,080
Speaker 1: Tony Cats today. So Trump cancels the meeting with China.

3
00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,360
Speaker 1: It's a big deal, kids, It's a big deal. Tony Cats,

4
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,520
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Good to be with You find everything

5
00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,119
Speaker 1: at Tony Katz dot com.

6
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,000
Speaker 2: You should That's what you should do. Go there immediately.

7
00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,880
Speaker 2: The live stream on YouTube is where you find it.

8
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,960
Speaker 3: First things first, though, you have President Trump not getting

9
00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:29,760
Speaker 3: the Nobel Prize. Not getting the Nobel Prize means well,

10
00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,440
Speaker 3: somebody's to blame. Who would get the Nobel Prize if

11
00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,240
Speaker 3: not Trump? You got peace in the Middle East. First,

12
00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,440
Speaker 3: we all understand we don't have peace in the Middle East.

13
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,120
Speaker 3: We have the opportunity for peace in the Middle East.

14
00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,560
Speaker 3: That's what we have. And I like the opportunity. Don't

15
00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,280
Speaker 3: get me wrong. I think it's fantastic. And when I

16
00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,800
Speaker 3: say opportunity, no, I don't actually believe there's an opportunity

17
00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 3: to have peace with the mass I believe it is impossible.

18
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,320
Speaker 2: But you can get the hostages back and dang it,

19
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

20
00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 3: So will all rational people. They will take it. Nobody

21
00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,200
Speaker 3: else was getting this done. Nobody else, even tried to

22
00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,840
Speaker 3: get this done right. It's History of the World Part one.

23
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,920
Speaker 3: Did you BS this week?

24
00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,040
Speaker 4: No?

25
00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,240
Speaker 2: Did you try to BS this week? Yes?

26
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,600
Speaker 3: Trump's the guy trying. And I go back to his

27
00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,519
Speaker 3: speech at the United Nations, which this was a great line.

28
00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing this, I'm doing that. The issue in Africa here,

29
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,520
Speaker 3: the issue over here. What I'm trying to do.

30
00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 2: With you greater in Russia? What do you people do

31
00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 2: all day? Not a one of you even called to say, hey,

32
00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:38,960
Speaker 2: you need any help.

33
00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,360
Speaker 3: You don't care. None of you are in the peace game.

34
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,440
Speaker 3: You're in the calling Israel genocidal game. You're in the

35
00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,280
Speaker 3: hating Western civilization game.

36
00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,680
Speaker 2: And take it our money.

37
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,600
Speaker 3: If there was ever a moment in time to say

38
00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,200
Speaker 3: we don't need the United Nations right now, is indeed

39
00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:05,320
Speaker 3: one of those moments. Good gosh. The Nobel Prize, one

40
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,560
Speaker 3: would have thought would go to Trump for the work.

41
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:19,800
Speaker 3: It did not. It went to a woman in Venezuela.

42
00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,600
Speaker 3: Now be clear, there are people doing good things out

43
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,560
Speaker 3: there who aren't named Donald Trump.

44
00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,400
Speaker 2: Maria Corina. It's Maria Carina.

45
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,240
Speaker 3: Oh God, Makado m accha d O has been fighting

46
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:46,360
Speaker 3: the Maduro regime, has been trying to create a valuable venezuela,

47
00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,000
Speaker 3: which is a very difficult thing to do when you've

48
00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 3: got Nicholas Maduro breathing down your neck and trying to

49
00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,080
Speaker 3: rip you apart. She is the woman.

50
00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:08,200
Speaker 2: Who got the Nobel Peace Prize. Is she worthy? Is

51
00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,360
Speaker 2: she not worthy? I don't I don't know. It's the

52
00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,039
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. They gave this thing to Yasir Arafat,

53
00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,080
Speaker 2: Who the bloody heck wants it? Who possibly could want that?

54
00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,120
Speaker 3: Yochser Arafat is a Nobel Peace Prize winner, dear Lord,

55
00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,280
Speaker 3: But the awards do matter. Remember they gave this award

56
00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,960
Speaker 3: to Barack Obama in two thousand and nine.

57
00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:33,800
Speaker 2: He never did anything.

58
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,560
Speaker 3: The world is not safer because Barack Obama sat in

59
00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,000
Speaker 3: the Oval Office for eight years.

60
00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,360
Speaker 2: It is not safer. You can't say the same thing

61
00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,400
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump.

62
00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:50,600
Speaker 3: Their argument is, you know the announcement about Gaza and

63
00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,440
Speaker 3: Israel that came out on a Wednesday, and we made

64
00:04:54,440 --> 00:05:00,640
Speaker 3: our decision on Monday. Just missed it. Okay, okay, fantastic, terrific.

65
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if this woman is a good person

66
00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,240
Speaker 3: or a bad person. If I had read the information right,

67
00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:17,080
Speaker 3: she was very appreciative of President Trump and sharing this

68
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 3: with him because he's on the side of peace. You

69
00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,160
Speaker 3: got a whole bunch of people saying that she's a

70
00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,839
Speaker 3: very very fine choice because pushing against Maduro is a

71
00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 3: good thing to be doing. This is something that should

72
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,320
Speaker 3: be happening. I know people are going to be upset

73
00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,200
Speaker 3: about it. Thirty of my money was on Gretaitundberg. Why

74
00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,480
Speaker 3: would I have ever assumed, ever that the Nobel Committee

75
00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,240
Speaker 3: would do something like given award to Trump and engage

76
00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:01,560
Speaker 3: with him a level of legitimacy. I would never have

77
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,800
Speaker 3: made that assumption, and I can't believe you would have

78
00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 3: made that assumption either. But here we are no no

79
00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,680
Speaker 3: Bell for Trump. Maybe next year we will see what

80
00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,840
Speaker 3: we will see. What we will see.

81
00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that the woman who want it is

82
00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,839
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad person. Meanwhile, we have got issues with

83
00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,480
Speaker 2: China that is coming up. Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz.

84
00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000
Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz. Today. Some very strange things are

85
00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,160
Speaker 2: happening in China.

86
00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,799
Speaker 3: Those the words of President Trump saying on True's social quote.

87
00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,680
Speaker 2: They are becoming very hostile.

88
00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,120
Speaker 3: And sending letters to countries throughout the world that they

89
00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,280
Speaker 3: want to impose export controls on each and every element

90
00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 3: of production having to do with rare earths and virtually

91
00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,680
Speaker 3: anything else they can think of, even if it's not

92
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,160
Speaker 3: manufactured in China. And with that, President Trump says, well,

93
00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,679
Speaker 3: we're supposed to meet in South Korea in two weeks,

94
00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,800
Speaker 3: but I don't think.

95
00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,080
Speaker 2: There's a he's going to do so now.

96
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,479
Speaker 3: And the market then dropped five hundred points and the

97
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,719
Speaker 3: gold price shot up, because well, this is instability, but

98
00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,640
Speaker 3: there is a foreign policy conversation to be had in

99
00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,520
Speaker 3: this instability. Tony Kas Tony Kas today, good to be

100
00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,600
Speaker 3: with you, Chuck to board, joins me right now.

101
00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,760
Speaker 2: He is the chief National Initiatives Officer at the Texas

102
00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,800
Speaker 2: Public Policy Foundation Texas policy dot Com, served in the

103
00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,480
Speaker 2: California Assembly and served in the Reagan era Pentagon.

104
00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,000
Speaker 3: People are going to look at this as an economic conversation.

105
00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling you this is in no way simply an

106
00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:44,000
Speaker 3: economics conversation. This is all breaking today. You hear this information, Uh, Chuck,

107
00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,360
Speaker 3: what does it say to you?

108
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,680
Speaker 5: Well, there's a couple of things going on. I mean,

109
00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,760
Speaker 5: first of all, it's very important to understand that the

110
00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 5: People's Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party is

111
00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,720
Speaker 5: pursuing a mercantilist, predatory capitalist model, so it's the very

112
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,840
Speaker 5: least from an economics standpoint. What China has methodically done

113
00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 5: is it has sezed certain key portions of the supply chain,

114
00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,280
Speaker 5: without which not only the United States but the entire

115
00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,440
Speaker 5: world can't operate. And the way it does that with

116
00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,040
Speaker 5: rare earth is to make sure that it controls all

117
00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200
Speaker 5: of the rare earth refining. Rare earths aren't really as

118
00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,960
Speaker 5: rare as the name would imply. They're all over the place.

119
00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,000
Speaker 5: The challenge is it's difficult to dig them out of

120
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:31,280
Speaker 5: the ground with economically viable concentrations and then refine it.

121
00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,280
Speaker 5: It's actually the refining, which is very dirty, energy intensive, difficult.

122
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,400
Speaker 5: We don't do much of that in America because China

123
00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,840
Speaker 5: has undercut our prices so that they can control the

124
00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,880
Speaker 5: entire supply chain. These things are important for magnets, they're

125
00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 5: important for sensors used for high tech military defense articles.

126
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,360
Speaker 5: You really can't have either a modern economy or a

127
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,600
Speaker 5: modern military without rare earth, and China controls the rare earth.

128
00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,880
Speaker 3: The control aspect, though the adding the controls to that

129
00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,520
Speaker 3: is not specifically to an economic advantage.

130
00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 2: We have been hearing that this is to.

131
00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,200
Speaker 3: A geopolitical advantage. Trying to increase things now so when

132
00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,640
Speaker 3: they do meet, Hey, we can make a trade deal

133
00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,600
Speaker 3: with this. China saying we can make a trade deal

134
00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,080
Speaker 3: with that, but maybe you could do us a favor

135
00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,840
Speaker 3: and stop paying attention to Taiwan so much in their defense.

136
00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,240
Speaker 3: Is a lot of this maneuver to try, as the

137
00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,720
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal had written the story, to get the

138
00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880
Speaker 3: United States to back off defending Taiwan so China can

139
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679
Speaker 3: have its reunification policy without question.

140
00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think China sees an opening right now. They

141
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,840
Speaker 5: see an opening for a number of reasons. First of all,

142
00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,920
Speaker 5: they have engaged in an unprecedented military build up, unprecedented

143
00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,880
Speaker 5: in modern history, mostly because if hither had a bigger

144
00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,280
Speaker 5: economy under Germany, perhaps They're build up up in the

145
00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,640
Speaker 5: nineteen thirties would be the largest. But because China's economy

146
00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,080
Speaker 5: is so giant, their military build up has actually eclipsed

147
00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,640
Speaker 5: what Hitler was able to do in the late nineteen thirties.

148
00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,080
Speaker 5: It is truly unprecedented, and what's important for America, a

149
00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,200
Speaker 5: huge amount of that buildup has been with the Navy,

150
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,840
Speaker 5: not army or air force strength, but the navy. And

151
00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,360
Speaker 5: that's a direct threat to US interests in the Indo

152
00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,920
Speaker 5: Pacific and really globally. So that's number one they have

153
00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,920
Speaker 5: this huge build up. Number two is that America because

154
00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,160
Speaker 5: of the weakness under both Obama and Biden and the

155
00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,520
Speaker 5: fact that it takes a while to turn this defense

156
00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,760
Speaker 5: ship around or the Department of Wars it's now properly

157
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:50,200
Speaker 5: been renamed. There is some people around Trump who think

158
00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,800
Speaker 5: that we don't have enough military force to be able

159
00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,480
Speaker 5: to defend Taiwan. And on top of that, the Taiwanese

160
00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,800
Speaker 5: themselves have been pretty lackadaisical about their They don't really

161
00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 5: put a lot of their GDP into defense, and some

162
00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,200
Speaker 5: of it is because they're only ninety miles away from

163
00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,640
Speaker 5: China at the narrowest park point and have a divided government.

164
00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,439
Speaker 5: The Goumendang, the old nationalist party, controls the legislature in Taiwan,

165
00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,240
Speaker 5: and they are very reluctant right now to increase defense

166
00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,920
Speaker 5: spending because the Gomundang is corrupt and they look to

167
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 5: Beijing to cut deals with and to try to get

168
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 5: rich off of.

169
00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,240
Speaker 2: And so Taiwan.

170
00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,240
Speaker 5: Itself is divided and so you have this feeling that

171
00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,960
Speaker 5: perhaps America's commitment to Taiwan is not as strong as

172
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,560
Speaker 5: it could be. So you have a growing, strengthening China

173
00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,720
Speaker 5: and supposedly at least perceptionalize a weakening commitment to Taiwan.

174
00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 5: So Shishinping thinks, well, you know, maybe maybe I can

175
00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,720
Speaker 5: pry Trump away from any commitment to Taiwan and we

176
00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:57,200
Speaker 5: can perhaps in air quotes, peacefully reunify with Taiwan because

177
00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,800
Speaker 5: America won't do anything about it.

178
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,960
Speaker 2: Talking to Chuck to Vore of the Texas Public Policy Foundation,

179
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,960
Speaker 2: find his work at Texas Policy dot com, I do

180
00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,760
Speaker 2: look at the geopolitical here, and I do think that

181
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,800
Speaker 2: it that it matters this, this canceling of this, this

182
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:24,119
Speaker 2: trip with China. Is it possible that, you know, with Trump.

183
00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,920
Speaker 3: He looks at everything as hey, if it's not going

184
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,200
Speaker 3: to be on my terms, if it's not going to

185
00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,839
Speaker 3: be to to my bettering condition, I'm not interested in it.

186
00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,760
Speaker 3: How does China respond to this type of cancelation.

187
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,400
Speaker 5: Well, certainly they're going to see if they can engage

188
00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,400
Speaker 5: in some sort of negotiation, right, They're going to you know,

189
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 5: certainly the drop in the stock market today is going

190
00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,400
Speaker 5: to get Trump's attention, is going to get the attention

191
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,079
Speaker 5: of people around Trump who are in the business community.

192
00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,120
Speaker 5: People are going to say, gee, you know this is

193
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,679
Speaker 5: we don't refine these rare earths yet to pre Can

194
00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 5: you make a deal? Can can some sort of an

195
00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,760
Speaker 5: arrangement be had. The other thing, of course, is that

196
00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,400
Speaker 5: Trump has been trying to crack down on the Russian

197
00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,680
Speaker 5: ghost fleet and has been enacting secondary sanctions on people

198
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 5: who have been illegally buying Russian energy, mostly of course India,

199
00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,040
Speaker 5: and then you know, another target being China, because those

200
00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,839
Speaker 5: are the two countries that are buying the most Russian oil.

201
00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,120
Speaker 5: And so this is a way of fighting back. This

202
00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,600
Speaker 5: is a way of China fighting fire with fire and

203
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,440
Speaker 5: showing Trump that America isn't the only country that holds

204
00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,839
Speaker 5: significant economic cards. And so they're trying to increase pain

205
00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,760
Speaker 5: to get what they want. And I think what they

206
00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,960
Speaker 5: want isn't merely you know, maybe it is simply more

207
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,360
Speaker 5: favorable economic terms. But there's something about this round that

208
00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,600
Speaker 5: makes me think that this may be, as you speculate

209
00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,959
Speaker 5: more about Taiwan than merely trying to even the the

210
00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,960
Speaker 5: you know, to shift the the terrain more in China's

211
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000
Speaker 5: favor on trade terms. So look, you know, the fact

212
00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,160
Speaker 5: of the matter is that October is one of the

213
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,800
Speaker 5: best two months for invading time.

214
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,040
Speaker 6: One.

215
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,040
Speaker 5: It's that in April the weather in the Taiwan Straight

216
00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,800
Speaker 5: is usually pretty bad. Uh, And so October is a

217
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,320
Speaker 5: is a good or better month than normal for military

218
00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,760
Speaker 5: operations in the Strait. So you've got another couple two

219
00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520
Speaker 5: or three weeks before that window starts to close.

220
00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,920
Speaker 2: Talking to Chuck to Vore the Texas Public Policy Foundation

221
00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,920
Speaker 2: before I let you go really quickly here. I never

222
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,520
Speaker 2: got your thoughts on Pete hag Set, the Secretary of War, and.

223
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,600
Speaker 3: That conversation he had with the assembled generals and admirals

224
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:53,200
Speaker 3: regarding standards of fitness. H he has removed another member

225
00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,080
Speaker 3: of the Navy's leadership because of a guy coming in

226
00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,040
Speaker 3: name of Hong Kaw who ran for Senate in Virginia.

227
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,760
Speaker 3: But on these moves and really on the idea of

228
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,400
Speaker 3: these standards, did you think that the Secretary was on

229
00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,120
Speaker 3: point or.

230
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,280
Speaker 2: Did you think that this meeting was much ado about nothing.

231
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 5: I think it was completely on point. Look, you know,

232
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,160
Speaker 5: the enforcement of standards happened at the top and the

233
00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,480
Speaker 5: erosion of standards can happen very gradually over time. I

234
00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,200
Speaker 5: was a company commander back you know, in the early

235
00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,000
Speaker 5: nineteen nineties for three years, and back then, if you

236
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,400
Speaker 5: didn't meet the heightened weight standards, you couldn't get promoted,

237
00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,760
Speaker 5: you couldn't go to any sort of special schools. Your

238
00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,320
Speaker 5: career was basically put on hold until you took care

239
00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,320
Speaker 5: of that heightened weight standard and you can pass the

240
00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,400
Speaker 5: physical training test. And you know, we've been seeing these photographs,

241
00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,480
Speaker 5: for example, a senior naval enlisted personnel who are oldbeests

242
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000
Speaker 5: is they're getting promoted. And I look at that and

243
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,600
Speaker 5: it's like, excuse me, really, we come to this point

244
00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,960
Speaker 5: where it looks like you can't even touch your toe

245
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,920
Speaker 5: and you're getting promoted. That's unacceptable. And so how did

246
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 5: that happen? Right, Well, it happened under the watch of

247
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,040
Speaker 5: the general officers, the admirals and the generals that were

248
00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 5: assembled in that big room to listen to the Secretary

249
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,400
Speaker 5: of War talk to them about standards. And so that's

250
00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,760
Speaker 5: exactly what's needed. You bring everyone together and you say, look,

251
00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,680
Speaker 5: we are serious about this, and if you don't want

252
00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,200
Speaker 5: to do this, you know, there's the door. You can

253
00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,280
Speaker 5: always resign your commission, don't let the door hit you

254
00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,920
Speaker 5: on the ass on the way out.

255
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 1: But for those who who.

256
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 5: Want to join me in restoring the lethality of our

257
00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,520
Speaker 5: US military, then let's do it together as a team.

258
00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,760
Speaker 5: So I was inspired by it. It was a great talk,

259
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,680
Speaker 5: and you know, as a retired lieutenant colonel, I was

260
00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,120
Speaker 5: one hundred percent for it.

261
00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,720
Speaker 3: Seems that there are a lot of people who are

262
00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,960
Speaker 3: freaked out by the idea that our military should be

263
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,600
Speaker 3: about lethality to it. That seems to shock some very

264
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,240
Speaker 3: very softer people's.

265
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,920
Speaker 2: Senses that this is the this is its purpose.

266
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,520
Speaker 3: The military has a purpose more than looking not so

267
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,480
Speaker 3: good in a uniform.

268
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,320
Speaker 5: Well absolutely, And you know, this again is something that's

269
00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,960
Speaker 5: been creeping into the military for decades. I remember in

270
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,440
Speaker 5: the nineties when Bill Clinton was president, some of the

271
00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 5: mandatory training that was beginning to creep into our training calendar.

272
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,800
Speaker 5: They had nothing to do with lethality. I had to

273
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 5: do with things like, you know, sexual harassment or you know,

274
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,080
Speaker 5: proper proper treatment. And it's like, excuse me, this is

275
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,879
Speaker 5: like leadership one oh one. If you don't treat your

276
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,040
Speaker 5: soldiers well, you're a bad leader, right, you don't need

277
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,960
Speaker 5: these mandatory training sessions. And then Tony a few years later,

278
00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,040
Speaker 5: when I was due to be promoted to major and

279
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,760
Speaker 5: I made the major's promotion board, my promotion was then

280
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,240
Speaker 5: postponed by year. Why did that happen, Well, it happened

281
00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 5: because some white male members of the Judge Advocates were

282
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,520
Speaker 5: not promoted. And they found out that the under Clinton,

283
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,399
Speaker 5: that they had allowed gender and race to creep into

284
00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,679
Speaker 5: the selection process rather than merit, and they sued and

285
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040
Speaker 5: they won the lawsuit. And so what the military, what

286
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,880
Speaker 5: the Army had to do was canceled the entire promotion

287
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,720
Speaker 5: class to major for judge affect at generals for military intelligence,

288
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,240
Speaker 5: which is what my branch was, and for docs for doctors,

289
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,000
Speaker 5: and they waited till the next year, where that they

290
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,199
Speaker 5: could then include the officers who were of lower merit

291
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 5: that happened to be of the right sex and the

292
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,760
Speaker 5: right race. Right, they included those people who were of

293
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 5: lower merit along with the people who would have been

294
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 5: promoted and combine them into one big promotion class the

295
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 5: next year. So it delayed my promotion to major by year.

296
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 5: This policy that focused on our immutable characteristics, how we

297
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,640
Speaker 5: were born, right, what race or sex we were born into,

298
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,480
Speaker 5: rather than our merit, which is all lethality cares about

299
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 5: is merit. And so that was back around nineteen ninety

300
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 5: eight that it happened under Clinton. Right, So this has

301
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,640
Speaker 5: been happening for a long time. And so the officers

302
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 5: that takesss that Secretary of War was addressing were precisely

303
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 5: those officers under whom this regime was enacted over the

304
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 5: last few decades.

305
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 2: Chuck DeVore, Texas Public Policy Foundation. I appreciate taking the

306
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 2: time to be with us. War is coming up. I'm

307
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 2: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. It's shut down

308
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: day ninety majillion, and still no one cares, no one,

309
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 2: no one, no one. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

310
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: to be with you. And I read No Rothman.

311
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 3: Filling in for Jim Garrity over there in National Review.

312
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 3: Republicans are getting wobbly on the shutdown. The GOP is

313
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 3: letting Democrats win the shutdown. I don't quite understand where

314
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: this argument possibly exists. From John Thune, Senate Majority Leader,

315
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, with a bit of

316
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 3: a presser today.

317
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: Unless, of course, it wants to have no works an audience.

318
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 7: Shame on the Democrats for doing that. It is to

319
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 7: the American people. I mean, look at that. Really, every

320
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 7: day gets better for us. Every day gets better for us.

321
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 7: That's their thought about what this shutdown means. So shame

322
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 7: on the Democrats for what they're doing to the American people.

323
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 7: Republicans want our troops to get paid. We want our

324
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 7: traffic controllers to get paid, we want our TSA agents

325
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 7: to get paid, we want our border control agents to

326
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 7: get paid. And we have voted that way now in

327
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 7: the United States Senate seven times.

328
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: It was Chuck Schumer who said every day gets better

329
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: for us. And one of the things that we discussed

330
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: yesterday was it seems very clear that what Democrats are doing.

331
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: Is hoping.

332
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: That they can stretch this out to October fifteenth, so

333
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 3: a payday has not met, so they can say, look

334
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 3: at what these Republicans are doing. And that's when the press.

335
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: Is going to jump on this and say, my gosh,

336
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: these Republicans. Look what they're doing. Right.

337
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: The Democrats, their position is that the continuing resolution is

338
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: dirty partisan politics.

339
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 8: We have seen retire Heracle movement from Republicans when actions

340
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 8: speak louder than words, sort of.

341
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: In mid to late September, what we heard.

342
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 8: From Republicans was that they passed the clean Continuing Resolution.

343
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 8: Of course they didn't. It was a dirty partisan bill

344
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 8: that continues to gut the healthcare of the American people.

345
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 8: Then they tried to lie about the nature of the

346
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 8: fight and pretend as if Democrats were fighting for anyone

347
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 8: other than everyday Americans, working class Americans, and middle class Americans.

348
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 8: But the country didn't buy it. Marjorie Taylor Green herself

349
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 8: doesn't buy it. She knows this fight is about hard

350
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 8: working American taxpayers.

351
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: So then they moved off of that.

352
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 8: Lie, and earlier this week Republican leadership said we are

353
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 8: the party of health care, and all along we intended

354
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 8: to address the Affordable Care Act text credits in October. Well,

355
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 8: we're in October. Democrats are here. We're ready, willing and

356
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 8: able to sit down. When I'm Republican colleagues.

357
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: That's not what you mean. Ready to sit down is

358
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: a really dopey line. Your argument is do what we

359
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: want or we'll keep it shut down. And the answer

360
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: is okay, shut it down, go right ahead, but the

361
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: idea that somehow Republicans are losing this argument. The subsidies

362
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 3: Sunset at the end of twenty twenty five has agreed

363
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: to buy the Democratic Party. They're the ones who voted

364
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: for it in the Inflation Reduction Act. Yet they go

365
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: out there and continue the same. Hey, let's not turn

366
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: down the temperature rhetoric.

367
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, what we're dealing with right now in the United

368
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 8: States Congress is a group of people who we sometimes

369
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 8: say they go to church and they pray on Sunday,

370
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 8: but then they come to Washington, d c. And they

371
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 8: pray p r e y on the American people for

372
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 8: the rest of the week, Pray on the poor, Pray

373
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 8: on the sick, Pray on the afflicted.

374
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: I would give anything to see a Republican member knows

375
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: to know say who the hell do you think you're

376
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: talking to?

377
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: This is what is required.

378
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: The obscenity of that line, the grossness of this presentation.

379
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 3: It's the same thing we saw with him and Representative

380
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: Mike Lawler yesterday. The grossness, the tough guy bull nonsense

381
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: of it all.

382
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: This is nothing more than the.

383
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 3: Rebirth, the resurrection of the throwing Grandma off the cliff Line.

384
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: Pray on Sunday, then pray on the American people. So

385
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: they're violent, they're vicious, and they don't believe in God.

386
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: You're attacking them as people and as Christians, because it's

387
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: a full on attack on Christianity, and that requires a

388
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: nose to knows just who the hell do you think

389
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: you're talking to? No, no, no, you shut your mouth. Acheme.

390
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: You don't talk to me like that. You don't speak

391
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: about people like that. And if this has to get

392
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: rough and tumble, acheme, so be it. That's what he

393
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: was doing yesterday with a finger pointing. That's what a

394
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 3: member has to do right there, No back down. Screw him.

395
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: Don't you understand that? Americans look at all y'all and say,

396
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: what is wrong with you? Could you imagine if this

397
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: is how we handle disputes with our neighbors, with our coworkers.

398
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: We couldn't get away with this.

399
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: We couldn't act like Hakeem Jeffries and get away with this.

400
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: Not for a second you think you could do what

401
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: he did to Representative LOLRD the AUSTRAA. You think he

402
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: could have that conversation in the real world. He gets

403
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: knocked out, But plenty of people just turn the other cheek.

404
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: And more than that, the vast majority of people would say, well,

405
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get into a violent altercation with the dude.

406
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to act like that to begin with.

407
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going to present like that to begin with.

408
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't treat somebody like that to begin with. That's

409
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: the story.

410
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: You don't treat people like that, do it. Speaker Mike Johnson.

411
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 9: Chuck Schumer is hurting real Americans for his own political survival.

412
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 9: I'm gonna say that again, Chuck Schumer is hurting real

413
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 9: Americans for his own political survival. If you're a service

414
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 9: member who's not getting a paycheck, is because Chuck Schumer

415
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 9: has to appease the Marxist cutting simple, It's plain and simple.

416
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: Shame on you, Chuck.

417
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 9: Every Senate Democrat who's going along with this, you lack

418
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 9: the moral fortitude to do the right thing. This is

419
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 9: the first time in history, the first time in the

420
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 9: history of the United States Congress, that a party has

421
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 9: shut down the government over a clean cr We frankly

422
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 9: didn't expect this. We sent over a no Frill's twenty

423
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 9: four page document to keep the lights on, keep Congress working,

424
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 9: keep the paychecks flowing, and they stopped it because they're

425
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 9: afraid of the far left.

426
00:27:52,320 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: And that's true, that is true. This is a fear play.

427
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: What I am noticing is what you're noticing. It's getting personal. Now.

428
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now that a Keem Jeffries commentary

429
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: is disgusting.

430
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you right now Chuck Schumer is is

431
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: going to appease the.

432
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: Marxists is a very very from this speaker appointed line.

433
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: The Speaker also said something else, I'm not.

434
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: Bringing the House back into the sentence of votes on

435
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: the clean cr. I'm not doing it until you guys

436
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: open it back up. I'm not bringing back the house.

437
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: Don't ask nothing else is going on, not happening. This

438
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: is a politically good.

439
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Idea in that I don't think you want everybody there

440
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: where they have to answer all these press questions. Make

441
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: it a little more difficult on them, and you also

442
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: don't get lulled into a false sense of security. That way.

443
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: It also shows that hey, this is on you. Everything

444
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: gets back to work once you do your job. But

445
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: it is clear that what.

446
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: Democrats are doing is waiting until the paychecks don't come

447
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: out and feeling they could put pressure. Then so they're

448
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: doing That's what they're doing. So this argument that Chuck

449
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: Schumer is playing with the lives of Americans to benefit

450
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: himself and to appease the Marxists who are all within

451
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: his party, I.

452
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Can prove that argument.

453
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: I think the Speaker has proven that argument as well.

454
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: But Hakim Jeffries, you pray on Sunday and you pray

455
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: on the American people. I think it is up to

456
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: a member of Congress to ask him who the ell

457
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: he thinks he is. I do now maybe the right answers.

458
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: You just ignore it.

459
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: They're losing, they're desperate, ugly, and they're showing it, and

460
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: you don't engage the confrontation because you don't want to

461
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: lose that level of control. Republicans getting wobbly. I don't

462
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: know about that. I don't know about that. And this

463
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: shouldn't get us into a conversation with Marjorie Taylor Green,

464
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 3: which I will sum up quickly. If you find yourself

465
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: at all times agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Green, chances.

466
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: Are you doing it wrong.

467
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: And if you want to know why I'm not a populist,

468
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: you can start with Marjorie Taylor Green and you can

469
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: end with Josh Hawley that in conservatism, kids, I'll die

470
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: on that hill.

471
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Keep it here.

472
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. So

473
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Barack Obama, you've seen pictures. He was president of the

474
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: United States, and he has thoughts.

475
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: About the deal. He has thoughts about peace. That's what

476
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: That's what Barack Obama has, Tony Katz, Tony Kats today,

477
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: good to be with you.

478
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: Writing after two years of unimaginable loss had suffered for

479
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: Israeli families and the people of Gaza, we should all

480
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: be encouraged and relieved that at an end to the

481
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: conflict is within sight, that those hostages are still being

482
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: held will be reunited with their families, and that vital

483
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: aid can start reaching those inside Gaza whose lives have

484
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: been shattered. More than that, though, it now falls on

485
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: Israelis and Palestinians, with the support of the United States

486
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: and the entire world's community, to begin the hard task

487
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: of rebuilding Gaza and to commit to a process that,

488
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: by recognizing the common humanity and basic rights of both peoples,

489
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: can achieve a lasting peace. No mention of Donald Trump

490
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: just Steve Woodcough, Jared Kushner, None, No, well done?

491
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: No addaboy? Now what did this just happen? Magically? This is?

492
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: This is Barack.

493
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Obama could not even say well done, could not say

494
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: we disagree on a great number of things, but well done,

495
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: mister President. Couldn't bring himself to do it, could not

496
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: say the words this is who these people are. Every

497
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 3: day they show you, every day they put forth to

498
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: you the kind of people they are. You have thousands

499
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: of people marching towards northern gazas the ceasefire has a

500
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: taken effect. And while all of this is happening, you've

501
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: got the First Lady of the United States.

502
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 10: Good morning.

503
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 11: A child's soul knows no borders, no flex We must

504
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 11: foster a future for our children which is rich with

505
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 11: potential security and complete with free will. O world where

506
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 11: dreams will be realized rather than.

507
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 12: Faded by war.

508
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: That's Melania Trump following up on her letter.

509
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: To Zelenski and to Putin about the war in Ukraine

510
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: and discussing how she is continuing to try and reach

511
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: President Putin to reunite children.

512
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Displaced by the war.

513
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: You can find Takim Jeffrey is, as I do, reprehensible

514
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: in loathsome. You can find Chuck Schumer to be the

515
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: opportunist that he has always been. You can find the

516
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: Nobel Committee wrong for their decision on the Nobel Prize.

517
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: And I haven't heard anybody say that the woman who

518
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: won it, the Nobel Peace Prize isn't actually worthy of it.

519
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: You can be angered by these things and disappointed by

520
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: these things. You can allow these things to absolutely corrupt

521
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: you and let you seethe and the only.

522
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: Thing you focus on, or.

523
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: You could focus on the good work that needs to

524
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 3: be done. Really interesting, the Democrats should say Barack Obama

525
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: because many Democrats CNN's and MSNBC's and others have given

526
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: Trump as due for making this happen, which if it

527
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: just returns the hostages Diana, it's enough. But there's Melania

528
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: Trump not saying why didn't you give my husband a

529
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: Nobel Prize? Saying, Hey, these kids out there, I'm still

530
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: thinking about them and I'm still pushing for this. Who

531
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: wins the uplifting message of the day, Barack Obama or

532
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Millennia Trump?

533
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought so, it's Tony Kats today.

534
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: Why from Vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

535
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: Tony Kats Today. The strange thing about Jimmy Kimmel.

536
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: He understands his problem, but.

537
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Won't get away from it.

538
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: He won't Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, Great to be

539
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: with you. Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. This

540
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: is the late night host back on the air after

541
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: lying about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

542
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: Which he did. He lied.

543
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: Now does he lie like Adam Schiff? We can't rule

544
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: out Trump launching military strikes on domestic groups because he's

545
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: taking out the drug ships from Venezuela. Now he's gonna

546
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: go after a domestic ro He's gonna bomb American citizens?

547
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: What is he?

548
00:36:52,719 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: Barack Obama? Come on now, Jimmy Kimmel is equally liar,

549
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: just different level, and it's different than when it's a

550
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 3: television host. Then let's say a US senator. But Kimmel

551
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: was on his show and was trying to say there's

552
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: no Antifa.

553
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 13: That's just the Secretary of Homeland Security suggesting we lock

554
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 13: up American protesters for life.

555
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 9: They have been so bold and making sure we're bringing

556
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 9: those individuals to justice.

557
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 14: One of the individuals we arrested recently in Portland was

558
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 14: the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa.

559
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 13: Finally they got the girlfriend of one of the founders

560
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 13: of Antifa. We understand there's no Antifa. This is an

561
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 13: entirely imaginary organization. There is not an Antifa. This is

562
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 13: no different than if they announced they rounded up a

563
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 13: dozen descep.

564
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: The cons there is no Antifa. Jimmy Kimmel wants.

565
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: To tell you, tell the audience that Antifa does not exist.

566
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: Seems that Jimmy is confusing Antifa with his ratings.

567
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: Nacy. That joke proves I'm ready for Late Night.

568
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: That's the clear obvious joke, and it was delivered with

569
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: the plumb I'm ready.

570
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: You know I'm not even saying it. Put me in coach.

571
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: It's just time to do the fundraise. Everyone is like, Tony,

572
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: you can do great things, Tony. We want to do

573
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: this with you.

574
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: Tony, you should do that.

575
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: No no, no, right checks or be quiet. It's time. It's time.

576
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: This is too ridiculous.

577
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: And at the same time he's making that ridiculous argument,

578
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: which leads to that joke that is so easy to

579
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: get to. I didn't need a writer. It was just

580
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: the whip right there, rolling trippingly off the tongue at

581
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: that same moment you have of Jimmy Kimmel.

582
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: And if you go to Tony Kats dot com, it

583
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: is there on the show sheet. Jimmy Kimmel wants Donald

584
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: Trump to be a guest on his show?

585
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Is that right? Is that right? You want Trump to

586
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: be a guest? Why?

587
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: Trump's the enemy, Trump's evil, Trump's terrible, Trump's awful, He's

588
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 3: the worst, He's not legitimate. And then he's on doing

589
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 3: some Q and A thing and he's asked, uh, who's

590
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: to do it?

591
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: Since you came back, have you asked Trumper car to

592
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: come on? No? I haven't.

593
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 13: I wouldn't necessarily be interested in Brendan Carr on the.

594
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: Show, but yeah, I'd love to have Trump on the

595
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: show for sure. Is that right? You'd love to have

596
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: the President of the United States on the show? Would

597
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: that have anything to do with the fact that, as

598
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 2: I just alluded to, the ratings are zero. Everybody watched

599
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: your big welcome back, and then everyone said that's right.

600
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: We don't care and stopped watching. This is such a

601
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: clear and easy and obvious ploy plea desperation as The

602
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: Daily Mail writes it to getting trunk on the show, so.

603
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: You would have some ratings.

604
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: The idea of having people you disagree with on the show,

605
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: and maybe we should say a little more clearly people

606
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: of a part political party you disagree with. Should I

607
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: be having more Democrats on the show if there was

608
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: the possibility of being engagement, sure, which leaves really a

609
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: handful of people.

610
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: Let's go through it. Let's walk through it.

611
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: If you've got ideas, put them there in the chat,

612
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com, slash Tony Katz and hit the live stream.

613
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Put in the chat. Let me know on Twitter, x

614
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: at Tony Katz, Tony at Tony kats dot com. Democrats

615
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: that I believe would honestly engage even if I disagree

616
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: with them politically. Rokahanna, who I less and less I'm

617
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: infatuated with. He was a big free speech guy and

618
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: I always really appreciated that. But his Israel commentary is

619
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: off the charts. Nutty John Fetterman, this guy was flat

620
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: out a socialist, has a stroke, should never run for office.

621
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: His family should have loved it more and pulled him

622
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: out of the race.

623
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: Now where he's clearly better, although he still uses a

624
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: device to read questions as I know it.

625
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Because he's pro Israel. Well, now he has.

626
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: A problem that is that is amazing. There's a guy

627
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: who else? I think I could have an acceptable conversation

628
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: with Amy Klobuchar, Senator from Minnesota.

629
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I don't like her. I wouldn't

630
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: let her have any staplers, But I think I could

631
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: have a conversation with her. That's it. That's all I

632
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: can think of.

633
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: Did you think for a second that I was going

634
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: to be able to have a conversation with Katie Porter?

635
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: Did you think that was going to be possible to

636
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: have a conversation with the former congresswoman who lost the

637
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: race for Senate, lost the primary to Adam Schiff, who

638
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 3: is constantly yelling at her staff, cursing at her staff,

639
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: pretends that she's trying.

640
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: To get better. She's a isn't she the one? And

641
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I've got the story right

642
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: about her? She poured pusher land and look this up?

643
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Did she pour boiling potatoes on her husband's head?

644
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: Is that the story? By the way, I've got your

645
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: audio there Land, and this is the edited one, right,

646
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: don't do the YouTube plane can do this.

647
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 10: For stet number two, I am ard six hundred and.

648
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 14: Thirty two dollars six and thirty.

649
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 10: Two, which is how much you save in fuel and

650
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 10: maintenance costs when you replace your traditional car with an

651
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 10: EVE with an electric vehicle.

652
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 12: So I drive, I lease a chef be Bolt.

653
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: It is the best car that I have ever owned.

654
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: I just plug it into the garage three whole prong

655
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: plug and I never have to go to the gas station.

656
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

657
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 10: And six hundred and thirty two dollars is real money.

658
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 10: And I know here at UCI, we have a National

659
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 10: Fuel Center research center, and they're also doing work on

660
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 10: how to make electric vehicles affordable, including for low and

661
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 10: modern income people working mom several longs like me, people

662
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 10: who really could benefit from an extra six hundred and

663
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 10: thirty two dollars in their pocket.

664
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: And it's also not.

665
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 10: Just the individual savings, but it's also the total.

666
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: Savings for our economy.

667
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 10: So I'm on the oversight committee, you might know, and

668
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 10: that is where we did a study recently.

669
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: This fall and s before we get to a study,

670
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: save six hundred and thirty two dollars, spend seventy thousand dollars.

671
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: All right, maybe a Chevy Volt isn't that much, but

672
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: it's not like spending nine thousand dollars on a used

673
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: car that you can actually afford. But back to Katie Porter.

674
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 10: September, and what it showed is if we don't electrify

675
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 10: or transportation sector, that we're going to lose more than

676
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 10: half a million Californian's dying prematurely to air pollution and

677
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 10: other problems, and the state could lose four You're out

678
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 10: of my shot.

679
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: I wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect.

680
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: It's not that it's electric vehicles. It's that if you

681
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: don't need to commit as any that prepars. Okay, it does.

682
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 10: Okay, you also were in my shop before that, stay

683
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 10: out of my shot.

684
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: She's doing a video and she's screaming at her staff

685
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: like that, that's Katie Porter. That am I supposed to

686
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: talk to her? Am I supposed to?

687
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: Is she the one we're supposed to engage with? By

688
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: the way, here's your boss yelling at you.

689
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: And you're like, you're, oh, yeah, I know, I'm in

690
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: your shot, but you were wrong about the ev stuff.

691
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: And it's this, I mean, that's pretty impressive.

692
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: Who are we supposed to speak with? The chat room

693
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: there is saying, uh, interview Thomas Soul. Well, sure, I'd

694
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: love to interview Thomas Soul. My gosh, but we're talking

695
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: about people who I politically disagree with. I would dig

696
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: into economic policy with Thomas Soul. It's hard. It is

697
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: hard to come up with this list of people, but

698
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: I would have no problem doing it none. But why is.

699
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: It only now that Kimmel is having this conversation of oh, sure,

700
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: i'd have a chump on the show. Why didn't you

701
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: ask three years ago? Why didn't you bring him on

702
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: the show? Maybe you could have tripped him up and

703
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: kept them from being president again? Why didn't you have

704
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: him the first term? Why did every magazine cover shun

705
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Milania Trump and keep the first lady off the cover

706
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: of their magazines because she wasn't glamorous enough. You needed

707
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama and Joe Biden. The same people who want

708
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: to tell me that Kamala Harris's stepdaughter is amongst the

709
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: most beautiful women in the world.

710
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: She looks the way she looks.

711
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: I have no issue with that, but we should be clear,

712
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: not amongst the most beautiful women in the world objectively,

713
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: that's false. Yet this is what they try and tell us,

714
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: have him on the show. But now you're having him

715
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: on the show because you're dying. I will admit to

716
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: you that I don't have people on the left on

717
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: the show. I should, I don't mind, but whom on Twitter?

718
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: X Mick says Joe Manchin. You know what, I'd have

719
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: Joe Manchin on the show. As a matter of fact,

720
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: Producer Landing, reach out to the office of the former

721
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: Senator from West Virginia, Joe Manchin, and invite him on

722
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: the show. Invite him on the show, and I'll do

723
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: this one of two ways. If he wants to come

724
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: on and do a radio interview or live stream, great.

725
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: If he would allow me to fly him to Indianapolis

726
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: for a sit down in front of an audience, I'll

727
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: do that too. But let's start with the interview. Maybe

728
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: we could start there and then work our way to

729
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: the other thing.

730
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: It's hard.

731
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: I have always found it very hard to find people

732
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: on the left because most.

733
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: People just want to get the dig, not talk about

734
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: the thing.

735
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: Talk about the thing? Or does he wanted to do

736
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: a dig? Do you just want to insult him and

737
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: attack him right there. I don't know, but the plea

738
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: is obvious. In my show is dying save me and

739
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: nobody who has the credibility issues that Kimmel has should

740
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: be saying Antifa is an entirely imagin imaginary organization. That's false.

741
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: It's very real, and people have engaged with them and

742
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: have had violence thrust upon them because of it, and

743
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: these people still lie. He got kicked off the air

744
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: a few days for.

745
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: His lies, and he's like, you.

746
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: Know what, I'll go right back to the well. But

747
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: he has inspired me to reach out to the political left.

748
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: We'll start with Joe Manchin, give me one more, give

749
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: me one more, and we'll reach out to them as well,

750
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: in the spirit of Jimmy Kimmel and all. I'm Tony

751
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: Katz and this right here is Tony Katts today.

752
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: So Katie Porter, we said we would look it up.

753
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: Allegations that she wants dump boiling potatoes on her ex

754
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: husband's head. She's a former congresswoman. She's now running for

755
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: governor of California. You've seen her in the news recently

756
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: where she's doing an interview and she's like, why do

757
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: I need Trump supporters to vote for me, well, I

758
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: don't need those people. It's so ridiculous and just her

759
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: as vicious as ever, her former husband claiming that she

760
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: threw toys, books, and other objects at him during their

761
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: marriage and pouring scalding hot mashed potatoes on his head

762
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: during a fight, according to divorce records.

763
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that.

764
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: She was impossible, because she is impossible. If you don't

765
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: remember who Katie Porter is, she is the one who

766
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: when she was in Congress for Halloween, she dressed up

767
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: as back Girl.

768
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: She's a grown woman dressed up as back girl, not

769
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: just for a little bit of bedroom play. No, no, no,

770
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: to walk into the House of Representatives. Back girl. Couldn't

771
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: make that up.

772
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: Then there's the story that Drake got his defamation lawsuit

773
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: against Kendrick Lamar, got that kicked out of court. Drake

774
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: the musician is suing Kendrick Lamar, actually suing Universal Music Group,

775
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: which I think also represents him, because Kendrick Lamar has

776
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: a song not like us, They're not like us and

777
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: refers to Drake as a certified pedophile, and Drake's like

778
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: that is a clear hit on my reputation, decreasing my

779
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: brand value. The judge said it was a vitriolic war

780
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: of words, and says, although the accusation that plaintiff is

781
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: a pedophile certainly a serious one, the broader context of

782
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: a heated rap battle with incendiary language and offensive accusations

783
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: roled by both participants when not incline the reasonable listener

784
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: to believe that not like us in parts of verifiable

785
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: facts about the plaintiff. So Drake lost in court, but

786
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: he only really sees it as a minor defeat.

787
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 10: Real So the fat number boy, why you go down

788
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 10: to strike a chord and it's probably a minor They

789
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 10: not like us, They not like us, They not like.

790
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: Brain cut the music.

791
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: I wrote that joke last night. I put it in

792
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: the show sheet, so it's there for everybody. You go

793
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: to Tony Kats dot com and subscribe.

794
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: You can get it for free. I thought that was

795
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: a good joke. He says it's a minor defeat. Huh.

796
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: Honestly, honestly, I'm sick and tired of being too hip

797
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: for the room.

798
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: Everybody, it's not that is not cool.

799
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 3: And of course, Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York,

800
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: being indicted for lying on her mortgage.

801
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 15: Forms This is nothing more than a continuation of the

802
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 15: president's desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal

803
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 15: law enforcement agencies to do his bidding.

804
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: All be costs.

805
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 15: I did my job as a New York.

806
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 12: State attorney general.

807
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 15: These charges are baseless, and the president's own public statements

808
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 15: make clear that his only goal is political retribution at

809
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 15: any cost.

810
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: You said you were running for office to go after

811
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: Donald Trump.

812
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: You said that was your campaign.

813
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 3: You bought a house in Virginia, You took out a loan,

814
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 3: and you claim that it was your permanent residence so

815
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: you could save almost nineteen thousand dollars on the interest,

816
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: and then you reported.

817
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: Rental income from that home on your taxes. How is

818
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 2: it retribution When you did the thing, it didn't seem

819
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: like retribution. Seems like you may have broken the law.

820
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: And no one is above the law. I was told

821
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: that by many prominent Democrats. Oh, how right they were.

822
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: The story of Jay Jones in Virginia is not going away,

823
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: but that Virginia governor's race is a must watch. I'll

824
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: explain why this is. Tony gots today.

825
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: So there are some elections going on across the country

826
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: that are really deserving of national news. And I will

827
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: give a lot of credit to some of my contemporaries

828
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: out there who have been talking about these subjects.

829
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

830
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: Find everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com.

831
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: Appreciate if you would, and don't forget to subscribe. There

832
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: was a debate yesterday in Virginia. You have this governor's race,

833
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: gubernatorial debate win some seers.

834
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: Who's the lieutenant governor? She is a Republican black woman.

835
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: You have Abigail Spanberger, congresswoman, a Democrat white woman.

836
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: Just giving you all the basics there.

837
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: And in Virginia this is where you had the attorney

838
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: general race where the Democrat nominee Jay Jones had written

839
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: texts about wanting to kill the then Republican Speaker of

840
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 3: the Virginia House and if it was this guy Hitler

841
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: and polpot three people, two bullets, he would save both

842
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: bullets for the Speaker of the House.

843
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: And he was joking about it, but not joking about it,

844
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: and then said that his kids deserved to die. The

845
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: whole thing. It was nuts. It's a crazy thing to say.

846
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: And this is one of those guys.

847
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: Who on social media is like you, you shouldn't be

848
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: engaging in these conversations and speaking like this about violence.

849
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 3: And now here he is, and you won't have anybody

850
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: who is on the Democratic side saying they should step down.

851
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Democrats are still lined up with him. Remember that this

852
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 2: is Virginia. In Virginia, you had Senator George Allen who

853
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: was running was he running for reelection? He wasn't running

854
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: for governor, he was running for reelection to the Senate.

855
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: And he referred to someone, engaged a kind of referenced

856
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: someone and said, Macaka, do you remember this? This was year?

857
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: Was this two thousand and six? Two thousand and six?

858
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: And because of that, because of that, the race was over.

859
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: The Maconka incident ended the entire race for him. And

860
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: what people opposed at the time was hate is the

861
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: Republican base. That's what happened from this comment. I didn't

862
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: say it was a great comment, but the comment not

863
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: wishing for the death of a political opponent and their kids,

864
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: the comment that could be seen as racial, I think

865
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: it's French and its origin, and that took him out

866
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: of the race. And here we are twenty years later,

867
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: and you could say I want to kill my opponent's

868
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: kids and you could stay in the race.

869
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: Well, this has become a big story, of course in Virginia,

870
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: considering that Democrats will not.

871
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: In any way condemn him.

872
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: So they had the debate yesterday and Abigail Spanberger, who

873
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: still won't condemn him, is still endorsing Jay Jones for

874
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: the attorney general spot. She's just getting the snot kicked

875
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: out of her so bad that even the moderator is like,

876
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: well could you answer?

877
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 12: Thank you, miss Vamberger.

878
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 6: I just I didn't hear an answer there on the

879
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 6: endorsement issue, so I wanted to just make sure will

880
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 6: you continue to endorse j Jones to be the next

881
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 6: Attorney General of Virginia? And were you aware of these

882
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 6: text messages before they released?

883
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 12: You have thirty seconds.

884
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 14: It appears that it was those who released the text

885
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 14: messages and held them for years, so the public was

886
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 14: unaware who had knowledge of these text messages.

887
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: For many of us to.

888
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 14: These text messages the day that they came out, and

889
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 14: I denounced them as soon as I learned of announces Marian. Importantly,

890
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 14: at this point, as we move forward, the voters now

891
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 14: have this information information that.

892
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 12: Was withheld for them.

893
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 14: You're running, presumably for affairs reasons, but the voters now

894
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 14: have the information and it is up to voters to make.

895
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 12: An individual choice based on this information.

896
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: Holy cow, I mean that is some word salad. We

897
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: go now to Kamala Harris for her take exactly what

898
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: a word salad?

899
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: See? The first problem is these people held on to

900
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: these texts for years.

901
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: That is zero to do with anything. Welcome to politics.

902
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: One oh one, what do you think apple research is?

903
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: Will you continue to endorse him? I condemned the statement,

904
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: and you heard win.

905
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: Some seers interrupted and say, oh great, she condemns murder.

906
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: How brave of her.

907
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: The moderator, whom I don't know, comes back and it's

908
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: like you, uh, you haven't answered the the You haven't

909
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: answered the question, miss Memory.

910
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying about the voters, But for

911
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 6: you yourself, do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?

912
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 12: Fifteen seconds?

913
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: Yes or no?

914
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 12: We are all running our individual races.

915
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 14: I believe my opponent has said that about I'm for

916
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 14: lieutenant governor nominee.

917
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 6: Affairs and as authors.

918
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 14: Every person to make their own decision. I am running

919
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 14: my race to serve Virginia, and that is what I

920
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 14: intend to do.

921
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 12: Thank you, Ms Spam.

922
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 6: We just want to clarify you know what you're saying

923
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 6: is that, as of now, you still endorse Jay Jones

924
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 6: as attorney general. Holy crap.

925
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: Good on her. Oh, come on, applaud the pushback.

926
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: She didn't answer the question one, she didn't answer the

927
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 3: question twice, and now when asked the third time by

928
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: the moderator. Here's Abigail svan Berger, the Democrat nominee for

929
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 3: governor of Virginia.

930
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 14: I'm saying, as of now, it's up to every voter

931
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 14: to make their own individual decision.

932
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 12: I am running for governor.

933
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 14: I am accountable for the words that I say, for

934
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 14: the acts that I take, for the policies that I

935
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 14: have put out.

936
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 12: Thank you.

937
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 14: I am responsible for the policies I put out and

938
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 14: the work I will endeavor to do tirelessly for the people.

939
01:01:50,400 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 14: Bear then, Virginia, thank you.

940
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: Such word salad, Such word salad, and win some seers.

941
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: Who's pretty terrific.

942
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: She's looking at her and says to her, to Abigail's Bamberger,

943
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 3: what if this was said about your kids?

944
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 12: Well, I think, as everybody knows I'm a Christian.

945
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 16: I'm a Christian before I'm a Republican, and I'm required

946
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 16: to forgive people. And it's hard sometimes when somebody has

947
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 16: abused you, et cetera.

948
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 12: But something you must do because not to forgive.

949
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 16: It's almost like, as someone said, you drink poison thinking.

950
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 12: That it's going to affect the other person.

951
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 16: And I want to live a decent life and I

952
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 16: don't want to not have peace in my life. And so,

953
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 16: as I've said before, I would not say that. So

954
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 16: that's why I'm wondering why my opponent won't say beyond

955
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 16: it's abhorrent and disgusting, why she won't say it is

956
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 16: not okay and that he must leave the race. Because

957
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 16: Jay Jones advocated the murder, Abigail, the murder of a man,

958
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 16: a former speaker, as well as his children who were

959
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 16: two years, two and five years old.

960
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 12: You have little girls. What would it take him pulling

961
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 12: the trigger?

962
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 9: Is that?

963
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 12: What would do it? And then you would say he needs.

964
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 16: To get out of the race, Abigail, You have nothing

965
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 16: to say, Abigail. What if he said it about your

966
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 16: two children, your three children?

967
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 12: Is that when you would say he should get out

968
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 12: of the race Abigail.

969
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: She's staring right at Abigail Spamberger, and Abigail Spamberger is

970
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: staring directly at the audience, not looking at when some

971
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 3: sears it's brutal. And if that wasn't enough, if that

972
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: wasn't enough, Abigail Svamberger is one of these people who

973
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: who has the belief that, you know, boys could be

974
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: girls and girls can be boys.

975
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: And it got super super weird this miss foundation once again.

976
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 17: The question was should transgender girls who are biological males

977
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 17: be allowed to use girls' bathrooms and play on girl

978
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 17: sports teams in K through twelve? You have fifteen seconds

979
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 17: to clarify.

980
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 14: In cases across Virginia, I think it's incumbent upon parents

981
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 14: and educators and administrators in each local community to make

982
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 14: decisions role locally.

983
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 17: Would you rescind the youngin administration policy requiring boys and

984
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 17: girls to use bathrooms aligning with their biological sex.

985
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 12: You have thirty seconds.

986
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 14: My priority would be to ensure that local communities, importantly

987
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 14: parents and teachers, that's educators, are able to work together

988
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 14: to meet the unique needs of each school in each community.

989
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: She's obfuscating so hard she might pull a hammy, what

990
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: you were saying the same thing. She is so.

991
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 3: Reaching for an answer or reaching to try and avoid

992
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: the question.

993
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: Holy cow, And this keeps going.

994
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 12: But missus Samberger, the question was should the young?

995
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 17: Would you rescind the youngin administration policy requiring boys and

996
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 17: girls to use bathrooms aligning with their biological sex. You

997
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 17: have fifteen seconds to clarify that question.

998
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 14: Yes, And my answer is that in each local community,

999
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 14: decisions should be made between parents and educators and teachers

1000
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 14: in each community.

1001
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 12: It shouldn't be getting.

1002
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: It shouldn't even be a close race. And you can

1003
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: hear win some seers nobody wants this, and then and

1004
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: then win some. Her name is win some w I nsme.

1005
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: It's just she's just bringing down the hammer.

1006
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 12: And that's why I'm asking my opponent.

1007
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 16: If your a little girl comes home and said she

1008
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 16: was forced to undress in a locker room with a

1009
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 16: biological boy, what would you say?

1010
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 12: She's crying?

1011
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: What would you say?

1012
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 12: Would you are you not?

1013
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: She doesn't answer, She looks straight ahead. She doesn't answer. Ho.

1014
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 10: Ho.

1015
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: The left must recognize that these policies are unpopular. The

1016
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: left must recognize that when they don't clean their own house.

1017
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: We see them, they screamed. Remember they used to scream

1018
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: about Trump being an anti Semite?

1019
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Oh, those are good times. They

1020
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: would scream about Trump being an anti semi.

1021
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 3: But ilhan Omar Rashida Talib all of those supporters of

1022
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: people like those two, like Andre Carson of Indianapolis, all

1023
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: of this in their midst and nothing.

1024
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: They don't say a word.

1025
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 3: They don't say anything but Trump's an anti Semite, which

1026
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: of course was always a lie and always a ridiculous

1027
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 3: thing to say. If a Republican says fight fight fight,

1028
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: well you see that's a call to violence. Chuck Schumer says,

1029
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: you will pay the price if you go forward with

1030
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: these decisions, Supreme Court. We are threatening you that if

1031
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 3: you take away abortion, we're coming for you.

1032
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: That's what he said.

1033
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 3: He threatened them. Anybody who sees it other than a

1034
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: threat is just clearly not paying attention when he does it.

1035
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? What are you looking at.

1036
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: When you do it?

1037
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: Not even to the degree it's like it's the worst

1038
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: thing ever. This is how they work, This is how

1039
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: they operate. They believe that they can get away with this.

1040
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: We shouldn't have that, and I only hope that the

1041
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: people of Virginia make sense, do do smart things, and

1042
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: vote for winsome seers. Glen Youngkin has been a success

1043
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: win Some seers can be more of that. Yes, you

1044
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: have this progressive cabal all around DC because they've all

1045
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: been making money off of your tax dollars.

1046
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: But Virginia isn't like that, So go out there and

1047
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: prove it. And Democrats are going to vote for somebody

1048
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: who thinks that grown men can be in women's locker rooms,

1049
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 2: boys should be competing in sports against girls, and can't

1050
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: even say of somebody wishing death on children. Yeah, I

1051
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: denounce him, No, I won't endorse that. That's where the

1052
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: Democratic Party in Virginia's at. That's why you got to

1053
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: pay attention to that race. The other one is the

1054
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: New Jersey governor's race. That's that's getting more and more

1055
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 2: interesting as well. But I'll get to that another time.

1056
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz today. So

1057
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: they had this event at the White House the other

1058
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: day regarding Antifa and violence, and journalists were invited to

1059
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 2: the White House and Andy Know was there, JACKI Sobok

1060
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,959
Speaker 2: was there a few others, and of course Mehdi Hassan,

1061
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: who used to be on MSNBC, has decided that none

1062
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: of these people are journalists.

1063
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 3: And the question is who decides. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1064
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 3: good to be with you. I think that being a

1065
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: journalist matters, and I think that we need to have

1066
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: respect for journalists. I think we need journalists desperately and

1067
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: there should be a standard that is upheld. But it

1068
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 3: is so clear that jay schools have failed us and

1069
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: journalists have failed us that to say that we could

1070
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 3: only look at journalists as journalists from these quote unquote

1071
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 3: traditional places is nonsensical. We need to be talking about

1072
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 3: those people who are bringing us the stories, the actual stories.

1073
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: Is it true that some.

1074
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: People claim to be journal lists and they're nothing more

1075
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 3: than fabulous? Of course, there are nothing more than narrative

1076
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 3: merchants ten thousand percent. They don't engage the full and

1077
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: complete story. Without question. True, we want the full and

1078
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 3: complete story. But the people that I just mentioned aren't

1079
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 3: just people running a blog. There are people on MSNBC

1080
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: and CNN.

1081
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: You never noticed Joe Biden had a mental condition, You

1082
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: never noticed he was slipping.

1083
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: Then you decide to write a book about Joe Biden's

1084
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 3: mental condition and how he was slipping and how you

1085
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 3: were shocked by it. Of course I'm talking about Jake Tapper.

1086
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 3: That's who I'm supposed to look to as a journalist.

1087
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: No, I reject that premise, and I think rational people should.

1088
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 3: Oh, there are some people in that photo I don't know,

1089
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: and some people. If I looked at the work, I'd

1090
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: be like, it's not a journalist's that's pr right. Journalism

1091
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 3: is writing what the other person doesn't want print in.

1092
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 3: Everything else is pr I forget, I forget who said that,

1093
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: but they're absolutely correct.

1094
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 2: But trust the old guard people. You decide, Meddi Hassan

1095
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: or journalists. This is Tony Kats today.

1096
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: Line from the Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

1097
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Admittedly, I do not spend time talking

1098
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: about candors. Owen's never been a fan, and I think

1099
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: I have proven that here by not talking about it.

1100
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 3: I remember she came to Indianapolis, where I live, for

1101
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: an event and I actually said to the organizers, why

1102
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 3: are you doing this? It's not going to be great,

1103
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 3: to which she spent the time talking about herself nothing else.

1104
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 3: Answering some questions, but nothing about what the people came

1105
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 3: to hear about. As a matter of fact, I had

1106
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 3: been invited to the VIP part of that event and

1107
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 3: people were taking pictures.

1108
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: I have no photo with Candace Owans. That did not happen.

1109
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

1110
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 3: But you certainly cannot question that at one time Candie

1111
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: Owens had a lot of power, and that Candace Owans

1112
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 3: has decided after splitting with The Daily Wire because she

1113
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: seems to seriously have a problem with Jews, her words,

1114
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: not mine.

1115
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 2: It has only devolved into madness.

1116
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of stories that have involved her,

1117
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 3: including this really continual story about opportunism.

1118
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: Kira Davis joins us right now.

1119
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: She's the author of Drawing Lines Why Conservatives must begin

1120
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: to battle fiercely in the Arena of ideas. You can

1121
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: find that at Amazon dot com, wherever fine books are sold.

1122
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: You see her hot takes over at The New York

1123
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: Post Opinion journalist. You were the first person when you

1124
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: and I have known each other while you fill in

1125
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: on this very show. You were the first person I

1126
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 3: ever knew who had not an issue might be the

1127
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 3: wrong word, but a real kind of Hey, you know

1128
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: this idea that Candice Owans is the only one of

1129
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 3: her out there in the world of conservatism that isn't

1130
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 3: really true and is anybody actually listening to the things

1131
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: that she says. She is back on the news not

1132
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: just for her anti Israel stuff and her anti Semitic stuff,

1133
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 3: but this is about Charlie Kirk and you have been

1134
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 3: writing about this and posting about this. This what I

1135
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: would call this hijacking of a legacy that Candae Owens

1136
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: seems to be involved in. As you see it, and

1137
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 3: to whatever background you can give to it, is Candice

1138
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: Owans trying to do this.

1139
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: Well.

1140
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 4: First of all, Tony, it's good to be back on

1141
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 4: the show. Hello to all the listeners out there. I

1142
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 4: always love filling in, so thanks for those opportunities. Yeah.

1143
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 4: I couldn't have predicted this type of meltdown from Candace,

1144
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 4: but I definitely couldn't have predicted the month or so

1145
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 4: in American politics period Candace Owens. I want to say

1146
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 4: this to people, Candace Owens has always been this person.

1147
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,799
Speaker 4: She didn't get changed by anybody, she didn't get affected

1148
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 4: by anybody, she didn't get into the business and then

1149
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 4: get corrupted. She has literally always been this person. A

1150
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 4: lot of people didn't really notice when she was just

1151
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 4: being weird and rude about black people, because a lot

1152
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 4: of the things she said might have resonated politically with

1153
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 4: some people. And I'm not even saying that's a bad thing.

1154
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 4: I'm just saying maybe some of the things that she said,

1155
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, felt familiar to some people, and they thought, oh, well,

1156
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 4: she's just one of us, and she's just saying edgy things.

1157
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 4: But that's not what it was. She Candace Owens is

1158
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 4: a grifter and she's going to go where the money is.

1159
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 4: And at that time, five years ago, I wrote an

1160
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 4: article about her that I got a lot of grief for,

1161
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 4: but I said, there's a problem with this woman. I

1162
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 4: don't care for the way she talks about Americans, particularly

1163
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: Black Americans. It signals some thing insincere to me. And

1164
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 4: over the years we come to figure out, well, Candice

1165
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 4: will take a position, any position that is going to

1166
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 4: be controversial enough to set her apart, and that's what

1167
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 4: she's doing. When she got fired from the Daily Wire,

1168
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 4: she found an audience in the anti Semitic wing. She

1169
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 4: found an audience. She found that they were clicking, and

1170
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 4: so what did she start to do. She started to

1171
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 4: double down. That's when she started to get very loud

1172
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 4: with her anti Semitism and her anti Israel sentiments when

1173
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: she realized that the clicks were coming in. So now

1174
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 4: she's got Nick Fouentes is a huge podcaster. He is

1175
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 4: a fringe al right, podcaster, but he has a huge audience,

1176
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 4: and now so does she. She's tapped into his audience.

1177
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: So she's only been encouraged to keep going further and

1178
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 4: further with the anti Semitism thing. And then, of course

1179
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 4: when Charlie was murdered, she knew Charlie they were friends.

1180
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 4: That's not a lie Charlie made her. This was always

1181
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 4: kind of my bone of contention with Charlie that he

1182
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 4: gave us Canadas owens. He made her. Yes, they were friends,

1183
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 4: but she saw an opportunity the second he was murdered

1184
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 4: to take advantage of their relationship and to exploit it.

1185
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 4: And what she is doing now to Charlie's memory, to TPUSA,

1186
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 4: to Erica Kirk, it's not just rude, it's not just disrespectful,

1187
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 4: it's disgusting. It's growth because she is doing nothing but

1188
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 4: trying to profit off of Charlie's death by taking words

1189
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 4: that he may or may not have said prior to

1190
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 4: his death and using them to support her own narrative.

1191
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 4: And he's not here.

1192
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: He's not here to defend himself.

1193
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 4: Not here.

1194
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: Let me get a.

1195
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: Little bit into that, because she was releasing texts about

1196
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 3: out Jewish donors pressuring him on Israel. If you don't

1197
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 3: know anything about the donor class, they'll pressure about all

1198
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 3: sorts of things. They're giving the money, they want their

1199
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: message told, they want their information out, and how you

1200
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: manage donors is a big thing, and sometimes you have

1201
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 3: to fire donors. Full disclosure. I have no donors at all.

1202
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 3: I have not been that fortunate in my life, and

1203
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 3: I have no pressures on me. I say what I say,

1204
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure Kira does as well.

1205
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: So there were people I'll.

1206
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 4: Take donors if you're out there, if you want, I'll

1207
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 4: take donors. I'm accepting donors.

1208
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: Just send the check to Tony Kats. I'll be sure

1209
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: she gets it. So this was about donors engaging in

1210
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 3: pressure about this on Israel or that on Israel. I'm

1211
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 3: not surprised that this has happened. I don't think this

1212
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 3: is going to be the first it's happened. I don't

1213
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: think it'll be the last that happened. As there are

1214
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 3: donors out there who are giving pressure people to be

1215
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 3: more anti Israel and more this and more that it's

1216
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: happening all over the place. We're not children, We're grown

1217
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 3: ups who can handle this conversation. He is doing is

1218
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 3: saying that these text messages prove that he was not

1219
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 3: a fan of Israel, not a fan of Jews.

1220
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: Not this, not that. Andrew Colvid, who is was.

1221
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 3: His executive producer on the radio show, and as a

1222
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: turning point, said that these are authentic, but this was

1223
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 3: also a private exchange, text exchange.

1224
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 2: That part I don't even think matters. I would say,

1225
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: that's Andrew who I don't know.

1226
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 3: What I say to you, Kira, is that the argument

1227
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: is these text messages don't prove a body of work,

1228
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 3: yet Candice Owns is trying to make it proof of

1229
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 3: a body of work and changing history in the process exactly.

1230
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 4: And that's what Andrew is really saying when he says

1231
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: these are private text messages. Tony, you and I have

1232
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 4: known each other for fifteen years, if we went back

1233
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 4: through our entire text history, there would be many questionable

1234
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 4: things or things that would look questionable to people discussion.

1235
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: Maybe we got a little too blue. Sometimes, maybe we

1236
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 4: cracked an inside joke that looks very offensive to people

1237
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 4: on the outside. Maybe we were having very nuanced discussions

1238
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 4: about topics that we had just discussed earlier that day.

1239
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 2: We would have no.

1240
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 4: Context for that text fifteen year old text thread if

1241
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 4: it came out today, And it's the same thing with

1242
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 4: this text thread. This is what Andrew means. It was

1243
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 4: a private conversation, which means it's full of contextualities, if

1244
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: that's even a word. It's full of nuances, it's full

1245
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 4: of the silent language of personal relationships. So there's a

1246
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 4: whole bunch of context in those text messages that people

1247
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 4: from outside of that relationship circle can't possibly understand. And

1248
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 4: that's what Andrew means. Don't put words in Charlie's mouth

1249
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 4: on a group of text messages when you don't really

1250
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,520
Speaker 4: know what was going on, You don't know the discussion,

1251
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: and it's one group of messages. Charlie and I want

1252
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 4: to say this. Charlie was not anti Israel. He wasn't

1253
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 4: thinking about abandoning Israel. He had some questions, he had

1254
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:11,440
Speaker 4: some donor issues, but again, these are nuanced adult conversations

1255
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 4: that happen. He was having them privately because the reason

1256
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 4: he had those conversations privately is because if you have

1257
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 4: those nuanced conversations publicly, you end up with people like

1258
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 4: Candice Owens trying to pick apart your legacy brick by brick.

1259
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 4: He knew better than that, So it's not some indictment.

1260
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,799
Speaker 4: I wish everyone would stop taking Charlie's got an entire

1261
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 4: life of work, and the word tells us you will

1262
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 4: know them by their fruits. We knew Charlie by his fruits,

1263
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 4: by what he produced. Has he ever produced anything anti Semitic,

1264
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 4: anti Israel? Has he ever been in an environment and

1265
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 4: done his job where he has been insulting of Israel

1266
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 4: or Jews or come off like that at all. He's

1267
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 4: never been anything but a defender. So everyone needs to

1268
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 4: ignore Candice and go on what you know about Charlie.

1269
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 4: We have plenty to.

1270
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: Go on talking to you. Kira Davis, Justkiradavis dot substack

1271
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: dot com. Just search for just Kira Davis on the

1272
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 2: substack and be sure to subscribe, and the book drawing

1273
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: lines why conservatives must begin to battle fiercely in the

1274
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 2: arena of ideas. Our mutual friend the bank of keV Kevin.

1275
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: McKeever shared a post that you had put out on

1276
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: X that starts with, dear friends, please remember that Charlie

1277
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 3: was a real person, and he hasn't been gone long

1278
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 3: enough for those of us who knew him to forget

1279
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: who he really was. It is one month since Charlie

1280
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 3: Kirk was assassinated. It happened about this time. The reason

1281
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk.

1282
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 2: To you was not about whether he was a defender

1283
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: of Israel a defender of Jews. That's really not even

1284
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: my argument. This is about what people will do for

1285
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: the opportunity to gain an opportunity. That's that part is

1286
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: really the story of where Candace Owens is and really

1287
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: the story as I see it, of this downfall.

1288
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 3: This is this is much larger than was he a

1289
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 3: supporter of Israel or not. I believe that he was

1290
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 3: based on his words, but I don't give a damn

1291
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 3: either way, and I would say that to to to

1292
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 3: Erica Kirk or.

1293
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 2: Anybody at turning point. None of that is part of

1294
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: my conversation I'm watching, if I understand it right, the

1295
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: manipulation of conversation and relationships to benefit and we see

1296
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: this happen. This is an ugliness that.

1297
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 3: We should, I think clearly state is beneath us and

1298
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 3: shows what kind of person we're dealing with when it

1299
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 3: comes to Candace Owens.

1300
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 4: Yes, and this was totally my argument five years ago

1301
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 4: when I dropped in my article The Trouble with Candace,

1302
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 4: I read, SA, you can still go see it. It

1303
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 4: still gets clicks, It's still gets shared, And that's exactly

1304
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 4: what I said. You guys are looking at this woman

1305
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 4: as somebody who has opinions and has some solutions to share,

1306
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 4: and she's not. She's a gripter. And what's a a

1307
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 4: gripter is someone who sticks her finger in the air,

1308
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 4: takes account of the wind, and then that's the direction

1309
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 4: they go in. So when she's and you're right, Tony,

1310
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 4: this is a larger conversation about that, and that is

1311
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 4: that's what I was saying earlier about contextualizing things and

1312
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 4: taking things out of context for your own to exploit

1313
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 4: your own advantages. Candice did not wait. She didn't even

1314
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 4: wait until Charlie's body got home before she started cutting

1315
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 4: up like this, acting up like this, So that is

1316
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 4: the sign of a grifter. And I think what we're

1317
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 4: seeing here, I actually think we've had this conversation on

1318
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 4: this show before. I think you've nailed it. What we're

1319
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 4: seeing here is not an issue of politics. You're absolutely right. Again,

1320
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 4: I still do feel very strongly about saying out loud

1321
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,799
Speaker 4: that Charlie was a defender of Israel. So whatever questions

1322
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 4: you have, he was all right. So but outside of that,

1323
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 4: we have a problem in conservative media. We have we

1324
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 4: have the commentator and policy set people like you and me,

1325
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 4: and then we have the influencers, and the influencers have

1326
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 4: taken over the journalism part of conservative media. And the

1327
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 4: influencers are the social media influencers. They have their advantages, right,

1328
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 4: they can get out messages, they have a lot of followers,

1329
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 4: they can disseminate talking points, but they're entertainers first, so

1330
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 4: they go where the money is. And that's what Candice

1331
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 4: is doing. She's going where the money is. And so

1332
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,480
Speaker 4: we do have a problem with how do we digest

1333
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 4: our news here on the right, And you know, how

1334
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 4: do we determine the difference between someone who is just

1335
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 4: grifting and influen and sing and someone who is just

1336
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 4: really good at spreading the words.

1337
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: Talking to Kira Davis finds her at a substack just

1338
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: Kira Davis dot substack dot com. We've talked about influencers before,

1339
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: We've done it off air, we've thought it.

1340
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 2: On and the difference between I'm a radio host.

1341
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't look at myself as a social media influencer

1342
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 3: at all the fact that I may from time to

1343
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: time have influences different than the content that they're creating.

1344
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 3: The question before us, or maybe the issue before us,

1345
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 3: is Candice isn't going away tomorrow, and you can bring

1346
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 3: up other people as well. I want Nick foint Diesk

1347
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 3: to go away as well. That anti semi, but the

1348
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 3: that's it's not going away. There is an audience for

1349
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 3: these things.

1350
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: Tucker's turn has been ugly and despicable, and I'm disappointed

1351
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 2: in him and it's it's it's hot garbage.

1352
01:25:55,439 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 3: He's certainly not going away. That's not happening. So the

1353
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 3: question before us is how does the fiefdom of the

1354
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 3: influencer get penetrated at all To try and bring some

1355
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 3: accountability to the irrational statements and flat out fraudulent statements

1356
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 3: that are being made.

1357
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: How do you cut into that and cut down on

1358
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 2: an influencer's influence.

1359
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 4: I don't think you can cut down on an influencer's influence.

1360
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 4: You know, that's up to the people. It's a nebulous thing.

1361
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 4: I don't think we can. But I think the thing

1362
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 4: you do is what we're doing right now. We need

1363
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 4: to talk about it. You give people alternative points of view.

1364
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 4: Isn't that the whole issue that we've had, particularly over

1365
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 4: the last four to ten years with the left, they

1366
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: haven't been allowed to see what we are thinking and

1367
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 4: believing on the right, and so they have been living

1368
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 4: in this bubble, and then they've been able to paint

1369
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: us however they want because we couldn't get our voices

1370
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 4: out there, and we see the results of that have

1371
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 4: been very, very dangerous. But it's the same thing on

1372
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 4: this side with your question about the influencers. You know,

1373
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 4: you can't change that aspect, and you can't change what

1374
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 4: people like or what people want. But what you can

1375
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 4: do is make sure that people are hearing the other

1376
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 4: parts of the argument so that they don't think that

1377
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 4: we're all walking and lockstep on this issue, and so

1378
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 4: that they know that there are other people out there,

1379
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 4: maybe other people with actual, real intimate information, who can

1380
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 4: add context to the situation outside of the influencer set.

1381
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 4: You just got to it's just got to be more voices.

1382
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 4: And I truly do believe that. You know, if you

1383
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: leave a thing alone long enough, it'll bite it. It'll

1384
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 4: by itself in the butt. That's what a friend told

1385
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 4: me about Candace years ago when I was losing work

1386
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 4: and losing followers for criticizing her, and I was so upset,

1387
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 4: and my friend said, you know what, Kira, We've seen

1388
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 4: a chin of candas zones coming go over the years,

1389
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 4: and if you wait long enough, the truth about her

1390
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 4: will come out and people will see it. And people

1391
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 4: are seeing it now. Is it hitting her pocketbook? No,

1392
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 4: not yet. But I don't really care like you say,

1393
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: I don't really care. I don't care about that. I

1394
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 4: don't care who watches her or doesn't. The point is

1395
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 4: is that who she is is available for people to see,

1396
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 4: and then people can make their own decision.

1397
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: More coming up. I'm Tony Katz.

1398
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today, continuing my conversation with Kira

1399
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 3: Davis just Karadavis dot substack dot com opinion journalists just

1400
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 3: hear her work at The New York Post discussing Candace

1401
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 3: Owens and her clear trying to manipulate her legacy or

1402
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 3: the legacy of Charlie Kirk to her advantage and as

1403
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: full disclosure as humanly possible. I'm not saying she can't

1404
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 3: have her shows, and I'm not saying she can't have

1405
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 3: her social media accounts, and I'm not saying she can't

1406
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 3: spew of the nonsense. I just want more people to

1407
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 3: recognize that this is ugly stuff.

1408
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Trying to make your bones on the legacy of somebody

1409
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: else by manipulating that legacy is something that is that

1410
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, Tony.

1411
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: It's not just that Charlie was her friend. Charlie was

1412
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 4: her friend, and she knew Erica, and she knew Charlie

1413
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 4: very very well.

1414
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: It's really despicable.

1415
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 4: What she's not acting like she knew Charlie.

1416
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: She's not acting like a friend. I mean, so, so

1417
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 3: what do we call friend? What does that actually mean?

1418
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: A friend? A friend is easy in the good times.

1419
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Well, she's calling him her friend for sure out there,

1420
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 4: but she knew Charlie very well, and Charlie was very

1421
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 4: kind to her. And if you think that Candace has

1422
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 4: a bunch of text messages that could paint Charlie or

1423
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 4: TPUSA in a bad light, don't think for one second.

1424
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 4: They don't have the same.

1425
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Which is he has a whole other thing. Right, I

1426
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: thank her.

1427
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: Now we're getting into cold war detant. You published this.

1428
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 3: I published that. Okay, everybody, bring down the heat.

1429
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 2: Dear lord.

1430
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 4: Why in the world, Well, that's what TPUSA is trying

1431
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 4: to avoid. They don't want that.

1432
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 2: They don't want that.

1433
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: They just want her to go away. They're not They're

1434
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 4: not doing that. That's my point.

1435
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: But what I like about you, you bringing it up,

1436
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: is that that is that is really what we're coming

1437
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 2: to you like, this is, this is where this conversation is,

1438
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 2: This where it leads, and this is you know, this

1439
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: concept of mutually assured destruction doesn't do anybody any good.

1440
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: Kia Davis, I'm going to leave it there.

1441
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Get the substack just Kira Davis dot substack dot com.

1442
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,520
Speaker 3: Look for Kia Davis and the book Drawing Lines, available

1443
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 3: at Amazon dot com. Kira a pleasure. I've known Kia

1444
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 3: a long time and Kira did take hits.

1445
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: She took the hits for being very very honest that

1446
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: article over there at Red State. It is still there.

1447
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 3: The problem with canvas, and I would say there is

1448
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 3: a problem with influencers because they're attracting audience without having

1449
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: to prove it.

1450
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: And that's how it comes across to me, maybe not

1451
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 2: to you. I'd love to know. Let me know, Tony.

1452
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: Tony Katz dot Com, Twitter, exit at Tony Katz. More

1453
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 2: coming up on Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today.

1454
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: A lot of people angry that there might be peace

1455
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 2: between Israel and Hamas. Now I should tell you that

1456
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's possible. I have no faith in

1457
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 2: Hamas whatsoever. They're a terrorist organization, help bent on a caliphate,

1458
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 2: help bent on domination. It's just not going to happen.

1459
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 2: But I will at the very least applaud what we're

1460
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: seeing right now and get the hostages back.

1461
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 3: This is a good development. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1462
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 3: Good to be with you. Jonathan Cook, winner of the

1463
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 3: Martha Gellhorne Special Prize for Journalism with one hundred and

1464
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 3: seventy thousand followers on Twitter X talking about a piece

1465
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,959
Speaker 3: in The Guardian. Reading the Guardian joins the chorus pretending

1466
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 3: a Gaza peace deal was possible because of a.

1467
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: Trump's juggernaut personality. The truth.

1468
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 3: Without US weapons, Israel would have been unable to wreck

1469
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 3: Gaza and commit a genocide. The US could have stopped

1470
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 3: this from day one, had it wished to. So you're

1471
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 3: going to push the genocide lie. The United Nations has

1472
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 3: already said, we've got enough food for every been in

1473
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Gaza for three months. Why didn't you bring the food?

1474
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 3: Why were you always saying there was no food? Israel

1475
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 3: wasn't actually stopping you. You could have done it at any time. Also,

1476
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 3: you take a look at everybody cheering in Gaza. They

1477
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 3: don't look wellnourished at all. They're not so weak from starvation.

1478
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 3: They're going yea sober. No, they're dancing and cheering and singing.

1479
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 3: The whole thing has.

1480
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 2: Been a fraud.

1481
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 3: The whole thing has been a lie. The Israelis are cheering.

1482
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 3: They're genocidal, but they're cheering.

1483
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 2: Everybody sees this for what it is. And we're gonna

1484
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: discuss this in a couple of different ways, because it's

1485
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 2: extremely important to note that there are people out there

1486
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: who are telling you a thing, but don't believe what

1487
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: they're telling you.

1488
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 3: It's so they can do another thing. The people who

1489
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 3: have been screaming genocide are the people who want to

1490
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 3: destroy you. The ultimate goal is the end of.

1491
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 2: Western civilization, whether that be by caliphate, whether that be

1492
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: by Sharia law, whether that be by becoming a socialist

1493
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 2: nation and ending capitalism. It is about you no longer

1494
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 2: being in their way. We've discussed at length the concept

1495
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 2: of what's known as the Red Green Alliance, where you've

1496
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: got the Islamist and the communists on the same side

1497
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 2: in favor of the destruction of Western civilization. Israel is

1498
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 2: nothing more than a step to that goal, to that desire,

1499
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 2: to that want, and that want is real.

1500
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 3: That want is whether it is what they believe out

1501
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 3: of the Quran or what they believe out of Marxism,

1502
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 3: it is that capitalism is bad. Therefore the West is

1503
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 3: bad and an impediment to this better utopia. They think

1504
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 3: they can create the Islamists via sharia law and the

1505
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: communists via communism. Both these things are fantasies. Sharia law

1506
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 3: doesn't create anything better, it destroys it. A means it ruins,

1507
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 3: it objectifies, It subjects people to quite literally hell on earth.

1508
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 3: Unless you're a muslim Man, things are gonna be really bad.

1509
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 3: And if you're a muslim Man, it's still gonna be really, really,

1510
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 3: really bad.

1511
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 2: We haven't seen enough proof of this.

1512
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 3: You want more of that? I think you should take

1513
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 3: you and your group of friends if they or you

1514
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 3: believe this. And how about Sharia for a week? Sharia

1515
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 3: for a week, that's what we need. Go live under

1516
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 3: Sharia law for a week. Let's see what's going to

1517
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 3: happen next. Let's see what happens to you. Let's see

1518
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 3: if it's something you want. You haven't seen enough of

1519
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 3: the disasters and the healthscape and the violence and the

1520
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 3: murder of communism to know how terrible it is. Have

1521
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 3: you never spoken to anybody from Poland to verb and

1522
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 3: I say you, I.

1523
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 2: Don't mean you, I mean them. They They actually want this.

1524
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Some ridiculous child college student at the age of nineteen

1525
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 2: thinks they know everything and thinks that somehow, well real

1526
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 2: communism hasn't been tried yet. Of course it has. Everyone

1527
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 2: who came before you at the age of nineteen was

1528
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 2: so dumb that only you know how to do it right.

1529
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 2: Would you stop talking? You unbelievable child. You sound like

1530
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: a moron, and parents need to be looking at their

1531
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 2: nineteen year old and say, you sound like a moron.

1532
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm not paying for that school anymore. I don't care

1533
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: if your friends go there. That's your problem. I'm sending

1534
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: you over here because there, maybe you won't learn to

1535
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: be a moron. Parents need to be doing this. They

1536
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: need to be doing this aggressively. They need to be

1537
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 2: proactive and saying I don't send you to that school.

1538
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a part of that. We're

1539
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 2: not going to do that thing. Not a chance.

1540
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: They need to be saying I love you more than

1541
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 3: you clearly love yourself. I won't spend my money on

1542
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 3: that to ruin you. No, you lose your kid anyway.

1543
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 3: You might as well stand up for something so they

1544
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 3: can see it happen. They can see how much you

1545
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 3: care about them, as opposed to just.

1546
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: Letting things go and letting things go and being like,

1547
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 2: maybe they'll come back. I get that. If you're a

1548
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: parent in this situation, it's not easy.

1549
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm only giving my take to how I think it

1550
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 3: should be handled based on the evidence. We've seen of

1551
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 3: what happens to kids in these indoctrination factories, and they're

1552
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 3: grown men and women, but we see what happens to them.

1553
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: They're our kids. And it doesn't it doesn't work out great,

1554
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 2: it really doesn't.

1555
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 3: But the Communist wants a society that simply is untenable,

1556
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 3: and the Islamist wants a society that is simply untenable.

1557
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 3: But in order to get to their untenable society, they

1558
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:07,440
Speaker 3: have to get rid of the impediments that's Western civilization.

1559
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 3: And the easiest target is Israel and the Jews. That's

1560
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 3: what we're seeing.

1561
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 2: And now you have well, you see, Israel, it was

1562
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 2: always a fault.

1563
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: Israel was always at fault. Is one heck of a take.

1564
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 3: Israel started this war. Israel did not start this war.

1565
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 3: Hamas started this war. And you will have people was

1566
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 3: it was it CBS News or was it a New

1567
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 3: York Times just discussing Israel started this conflict. They lie

1568
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 3: about everything. They lie all the time. They lie in

1569
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 3: every single way in place because what they can't bring

1570
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 3: themselves to say, you know, Hamas is the problem because

1571
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 3: they have a readership and a base that's going to

1572
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: say how dare you They are believers that, well, you know,

1573
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 3: none of this would happen if Israel would just stop

1574
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 3: being so upity.

1575
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: They believe that too.

1576
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 3: But in time and again after this peace deal, what

1577
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 3: is it that you see You see people saying, well,

1578
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 3: you know, this really isn't this isn't the issue. The

1579
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 3: issue still is Israel. We need to be clear about

1580
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 3: the fact that the people who gain popularity, reputation, capitals

1581
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 3: I discuss it from being anti Israel still need to

1582
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 3: be anti Israel. There could be no moment of thank

1583
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 3: goodness this is over because it was never about the thing.

1584
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 3: It's about their own hatreds, their own vitriol, and their

1585
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 3: own desires, the desire of the person not talking about

1586
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 3: Israeli policy because none of them discuss Israeli policy. If

1587
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 3: Israel stopped any level of fighting at all, the issue

1588
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 3: would be that Israel exists.

1589
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: That's their issue, that's the fundamental I didn't make this up.

1590
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 2: All you have to do is listen to them.

1591
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 3: So as long as Israel exists, they will continue to

1592
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 3: be these people. And when Israel doesn't exist, do you

1593
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 3: think they're going to stop being like, Okay, we got

1594
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 3: that done.

1595
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Everybody enjoy your vacation. Yeah, yeah, go find something else

1596
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: to do. I suggest you take up knitting. Is that

1597
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: how the quote unquote activist works.

1598
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 3: You set their whole life to a task, they achieved

1599
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 3: the task, and all of a sudden it's over. It's

1600
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 3: not the way they work. What is the impediment to

1601
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 3: my goal? And my goal is always ever being pushed away.

1602
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 3: I'm always ever chasing it. There's always some issue. If

1603
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 3: the United States was a communist nation and somebody didn't

1604
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 3: get their extra ration of dairy that month, they would say,

1605
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 3: it's because somewhere in a basement are two Republicans we

1606
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 3: haven't gotten to yet. Let's go find them. They will

1607
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: never ever be satisfied. Eurasia is always at war with

1608
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 3: East Asia. I just want to make sure everybody's on

1609
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 3: the same page here. There is no being satisfied for

1610
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 3: the people who want to tear it all down. There

1611
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 3: is no being satisfied for the people who will simply

1612
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 3: state again and again and over and over.

1613
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 2: Our issue is Israel's existence existence. Our issue is America's existence.

1614
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 3: Our issue is you are in our way from some

1615
01:40:56,200 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 3: level of world domination. This is the them they want

1616
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 3: what they want. What they want, what they want, and

1617
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 3: what they want is not peace.

1618
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: What they want is to destroy. What they want is

1619
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: power and control. Everybody who is rational knows this. You

1620
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 2: I have not told you anything new. Maybe I've given

1621
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 2: you some perspective, but I didn't teach anything new. Right there.

1622
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: You know this to be the case. What they're doing

1623
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 2: is showing you that it is completely the case. And

1624
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 2: you have always been right this entire time. That's what

1625
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 2: you're seeing.

1626
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 3: More and more and more. Why are you cheering Israel?

1627
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: Why are you cheering Trump? This is this isn't the

1628
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 3: what we wanted. What we want is for And then

1629
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 3: they have to admit it. But the part to note

1630
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 3: is that they've always admitted it. Just some people don't

1631
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 3: want to listen. Some people actually think that it's this.

1632
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 3: But just like we've never been at war with East Asia,

1633
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 3: we've always been at war.

1634
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: With East Asia. To paraphrase right there.

1635
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 3: They will now go from we need to cease fire

1636
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 3: to Israel has to be returned to people who never

1637
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 3: own the land to begin with. That turn is about

1638
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 3: to happen, and you're going to watch it. And the

1639
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 3: people who've been foaming at the mouth and screaming about

1640
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 3: East Asia.

1641
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 2: Screaming, by the way, you know.

1642
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm quoting orwell right, who have been screaming about this

1643
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 3: war has to stop and we need to cease fire.

1644
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Will now start screaming about Israel's existence. And at that

1645
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 3: moment you will realize, in case you didn't, that I

1646
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 3: was right, that those of us.

1647
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 2: Part of this each and every day were right, that

1648
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 2: these people aren't interested in a world of peace. They're

1649
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 2: interested in a world of power and destruction and the

1650
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 2: subjugation of us. At that moment, you will realize.

1651
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,919
Speaker 3: The real fight we are in, and we are in

1652
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 3: the fight. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.

1653
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 18: You've got a Chicago mayor who creates these ice free

1654
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 18: zones to basically say, I don't want federal agents in

1655
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 18: my city in forcing How can a mayor get away

1656
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 18: with saying no, I don't want the law enforced in

1657
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 18: my city.

1658
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 2: This was the question I was asked by Ed Henry

1659
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 2: yesterday on News Max. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Great

1660
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 2: to be with you. It is the Chicago mayor, Brendan Johnson.

1661
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 2: The shameful as I would see it, and based on

1662
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:47,679
Speaker 2: all metrics of performance, writing and putting on executive orders

1663
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 2: saying we have ice free zones in Chicago, we don't

1664
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 2: allow ice in these areas. What in the world are

1665
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 2: they talking about an ice free zone? And as I

1666
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 2: said to Ed Henry, oh you mean like gunfree zones. Well,

1667
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,679
Speaker 2: this is the same argument as the gun free zone.

1668
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 2: When did the gun free zone actually save a life

1669
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: and only kept law abiding people from being able to

1670
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 2: protect and defend themselves and the ones that they love.

1671
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 3: This is the argument you're making, the argument that is

1672
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 3: the right one. Why would you not take the help?

1673
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: You could work with President Trump, but we've seen anything

1674
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 3: about him.

1675
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 2: He's willing to say, Okay, you don't want this, but

1676
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 2: you want that. Great, it's a win. Let's go do that.

1677
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,639
Speaker 2: You could work with him on one hundred different subjects

1678
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: in one hundred different ways, and this is one of them,

1679
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 2: and none of them.

1680
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 3: Are capable of turning to their progressive base and saying

1681
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 3: this is better for all of us. It's seen as

1682
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 3: collaborating with Trump. Then you're the enemy, and then things

1683
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 3: get worse for them politically. And that's just a story

1684
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 3: about how the progressives react when nothing goes their way.

1685
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 3: And I think I've got that pretty accurate, that these

1686
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 3: governors should be going to Trump and saying, hey, how

1687
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 3: about this, how about that, how about the other? Try this,

1688
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 3: try that, Let's not do this. We don't want that,

1689
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 3: we could use this, how about Trump. Trump's all in.

1690
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 2: He's all in. He just wants people who who are

1691
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,879
Speaker 2: at least connected on the basic concept. And his basic

1692
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 2: concept isn't.

1693
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 3: Out of the realm. The city is unsafe, we can

1694
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 3: make it safer. But yet the left wants to tell

1695
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 3: us that the city is fine, and the left wants

1696
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 3: tell us we don't want him here, and the left

1697
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 3: wants to tell us he's not allowed to do this,

1698
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 3: and allowed the Ninth Circuit says that he is. But

1699
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 3: some judge in Illinois is like, no, you're not the

1700
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 3: madness of members of the judiciary. We're not asking whether

1701
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 3: you like it. We're asking whether or not it's legal.

1702
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 3: But in the case of the of Jamie Pritzker, for example,

1703
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: the governor of Illinois, how about just being rational?

1704
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 2: What do you have to lose?

1705
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,480
Speaker 3: And the answer is nothing except, of course, your progressive

1706
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 3: base turning on you, and you want to run for

1707
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 3: president and you want to show how tough you are.

1708
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 3: That's what we are seeing right now, and that's what

1709
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 3: the idea of an ice free zone is. Of course,

1710
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,520
Speaker 3: it has no teeth, it has no efficacy.

1711
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that it does.

1712
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 3: It's it's ridiculous problem of a child. What else would

1713
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 3: you expect from Brandon Johnson? And then he would say

1714
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 3: to me that because I said that that I'm a racist,

1715
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,719
Speaker 3: and I would tell him he can kiss my racist.

1716
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm not paying any attention to the madness, and neither

1717
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 2: should you.

1718
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 3: They don't work with Trump because their base refuses it.

1719
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:32,799
Speaker 2: Their base will.

1720
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:34,799
Speaker 3: Turn on them, and they are scared of their base.

1721
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 3: The people want the help. And I didn't say you

1722
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 3: had to accept all of it. I didn't say there

1723
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 3: were in place you could be like nope, but that yes,

1724
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 3: those resources, yes, those dollars, yes.

1725
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,919
Speaker 2: Why not? It really is maddening.

1726
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 3: And then you've got the childlike antics of a mayor

1727
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 3: with his ice free zones, as if.

1728
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 2: That's doing something. These people people.

1729
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 3: Don't do anything, and that's the problem. Find everything at

1730
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 3: Tonykatz dot com. Be sure to subscribe over there. I'd

1731
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,759
Speaker 3: greatly appreciate it, and YouTube that livestream Monday through Friday.

1732
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash tonykats I'll catch you Monday.

1733
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 2: Everyone, you'd be good night, take care,