1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: NBC is reported earlier this morning that they're they're not 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: going to discuss territory what they're called territory division with Putin. 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: So this is almost led to believe like it is 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: a precursor to the thing like I can't believe it'd 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: be like I get to know your meeting because these guys, No, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna do that. But if you're 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: not talking about dividing up land, which that's what this 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: is all about, how much are we actually going to 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: get done with this? And I'm surprised with that not 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: being on the table, that both of these guys are going. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: To be there for this. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: Right, the whole discussion needs to be we've already come 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: into Ukraine, we're going to keep certain segments of it 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: that used to be part of Russia or whatever. With 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: that Zelensky present. To agree to any of this stuff, 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: none of it matters well. 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: And so that's the question in all of this is 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: how much say does the Ukrainian government have because Trump 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: never gives a clear answer on that. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: They would have less of a say if we stopped 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: funding them. 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: Well, right, and they shouldn't really have much of us 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: say because we are the war. 24 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: We are the war, you know, and so we are 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: the world. 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it is us, right, It's been our money 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: that has driven most of that, and it's been our 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: money that has purchased the military hardware, the ability for 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: these people to. 30 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Fight back and at some point can we just be done? Right? 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: And so really he doesn't have much of a say, 32 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: but you would think from a. 33 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Just optics perspective, you would say, hey, Junior, do you 34 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: want to come sit in the room, real quiet like? 35 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: But maybe they don't think he'd sit there real quiet like. 36 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: So what's interesting though, is The Times had an article 37 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: and The Times is a British publication about that they 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: may be using the West Bank and how Israel and 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Gaza interact in the West Bank as the blueprint to 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: try to get some sort of agreement and what they 41 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: mean by that for those of you aren't familiar. So 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Israel has overseen this this Palestinian territory that it got 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: from it got from Jordan in nineteen sixty seven, and 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: it is run by Israel. It is still a part 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: of that country, but it is run by Israel, which 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: is so weird, right, Like to me, that's just such 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: a word salad. 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: It's like a country within a country, right, But if 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: I'm in charge, it's mine mine. 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can call it bananas if you want, But 51 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: if I'm in charge, it's mine. And they're what they're 52 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: saying is or at least this timespiece is reporting, is 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: that that's what they're exploring with Israel or Israel with 54 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. 55 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: How's that working out? Well? 56 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: Where it'll still be Ukrainian territory but Russia will govern 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: it and oversee it. 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: And again to me, it's like I can't imagine not that. 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: Again, Ukraine has much of us say in it, but 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna go quietly on that because you're just them 61 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: basically giving them the land, which is what this has 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: always all been about. 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're gonna end up with the same kind 64 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: of incursions that we see over in the Middle East 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: over there in Russia and Ukraine. 66 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: This is so fascinating to me how everybody involved in 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: this has bungled this. And if I guess this is 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: an American taxpayer, would be my question to our government 69 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: if they were to sign off on this, if indeed 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: that's the way it works, then what was all the 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: funding of the fighting all about if you're just gonna 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: let Russia, it's like they're trying to have their cake 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: and eat it too. Well, see it remains Ukrainian, but 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: if Putin's in charge of it and it gets to dictate 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: everything that happens there isn't it basically Russian territory? 76 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: And why would Zelenski ever agree to that? Yeah, we 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: may not have a choice because if I have to 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: agree to that, then technically I'm not the president because 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: Putin's gonna be making all the decisions. Well exactly, So 80 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: I think this is a color lossal mess. I think 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: everybody's looking for an exit ramp on this other than Putin. 82 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: I think that's part of the problem is Putin. 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: Putin knows he can win. Well, he just got it. 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: If you if you don't, if you don't care about 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: human life, right, you can win anything. 86 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, he doesn't care. 87 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Oh I gotta lose ten thousand troops, oh you know, 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: this month, this year, whatever, He doesn't care. 89 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: And so if you have no decency about you, and you're. 90 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: Engaged in a conflict funded by people who have decency 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: and supporting people who have some level of decency, you're 92 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: always in the driver's seat because he doesn't care if 93 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: his economy suffers. 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: He doesn't care if his people are hungry. 95 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: A great example of this would be, you know, the 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: the Iraq ra Afghanistan situations. 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: Right. 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: We had a bigger military, bigger fighting force, could do 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: all these things, but you just have all these people 100 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: that aren't afraid to die and dictators that aren't afraid 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: to let them go die. 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Were you deployed overseas? 103 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I went direct twice, that's right, Okay, when you 104 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: was it the most current Yeah? 105 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: Engagement? 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: We had so many over there, Come on, man, Yeah, 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: well you hate that old Uh. 108 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: Both times when. 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: You went, did you feel like it was for something 110 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: you did? 111 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? So what years were you there? 112 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: So I went to Iraq the first time in two 113 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: thousand and six, and then I came back for like 114 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: five or six months, and then I went again. 115 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: So so you go like six to Oaitish. 116 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: So you were down the we were down the rabbit 117 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: hole in Iraq than in the sense of it was 118 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: already quagmire, it was already a mess. It was already 119 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: a terrorists we're in. Yeah, you weren't going there to 120 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein. 121 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: I was there with Sadam, Like, so the Battle of Felujah, 122 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: I was with those Marines, but was Felujah, Yeah, yeah, 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: but t Saddam Hussey was six, Yeah he was captured 124 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: by then. Yeah, but Saddam wasn't doing anything nice. It 125 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: was all these insurgent groups and. 126 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: Right, right, But I'm saying the like, if you're one 127 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: of those people that in the early days of that war, 128 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: we were sold Saddam Mussein's got these nuclear weapons, You're 129 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you're going in there like, hey, we're not to save 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: the world, right, right, And I'm just curious if by 131 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: that point. 132 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: We weren't there to save the world. I was there 133 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: to make sure my buddies didn't die. 134 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: But did they lead you to believe you were still? Like, 135 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: how did they sell that to you? Because I don't 136 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: know how you're going to. 137 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: I think by the time I got there, I remember 138 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: having conversations with people who talked about WMD's and would 139 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: kind of laugh like they already knew the jig was 140 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 3: up at that point. But I was a contractor, so 141 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: a lot of us were just there for a paycheck. 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: What does that mean you were a contractor to the audience, 143 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: So I was. 144 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: An active duty military service member as a counter terrorism analyst. 145 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: Not a lot of those running around that aren't associated 146 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: with the military. 147 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: You couldn't pass math, and you got to be a 148 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: counter terrorism analyst. 149 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: You see how I look, that's it's worth way more 150 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: than trigonovity. 151 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: Brother, Oh, because you looked the part I looked. You 152 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: could go on a streets side. I went on many a. 153 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: Streets and pointed people out because guys like you couldn't 154 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: roll up. That happened a lot. So so so nine 155 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: to eleven happens. I get out of the service at four, 156 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: I moved to d C. Now you have companies like 157 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: L three North of Grumman SCIC all coming out looking 158 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: for people because now Department of Homeland has been created, 159 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: we have all this government funding. 160 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: The military industrial complex. 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: Bo I was like one of the first people in there, right. 162 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: So six, I find a company who's offering for us 163 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: to go overseas and they're paying stupid amounts of money. 164 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: I went, came came back and was like, oh my god, 165 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm going back again. 166 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: So it was it. 167 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: I mean, so a DD contractor Department Defense contractor. Basically, 168 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a ten ninety nine employee of Northup 169 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: Grumman who has a contract with the with the government 170 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: to find counter teris mailists. 171 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: But you but you had the uh, you were essentially 172 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: acting as a member of the military then correct as 173 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: an embedded mentor as well. Okay, so because you always 174 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: think about like every guy that goes over there is 175 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: is g I Joe, And it's like, that's not how 176 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: it works. Your work now, So the money, this is 177 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. The money is so good that to you, 178 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: you're like, you're there was a there was a there 179 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: was a price to putting your life on the line. 180 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Like there was I mean to you, it says price 181 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: on the line. I think I was still young enough 182 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: to think I was there doing the right thing. 183 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you get. 184 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: There and I was, you know, yeah, those pay texts 185 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: are good man, And you're talking and like I said earlier, 186 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: you're talking about a guy who didn't make it through 187 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: one year in Indiana State. Yeah, And now all of 188 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm getting chexts that are like, holy cow, because. 189 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: If you're gonna have this agreement, and who knows if 190 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: this is what they come up with. Like I said, 191 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: this is just one report. But if you come up 192 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: with this, you're gonna have to have some police mechanism 193 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: for this, and. 194 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: They're gonna be contractors, right and Blackrock that's where it 195 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: plays well, not Blackrock. 196 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: What's the one that got in trouble? Which one? Did 197 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: more of them? One get into Iraq? Yeah? Okay, So 198 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: what do you think of that? 199 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: The if you go, but like when you went, there 200 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: was a financial component to you to what you were doing. 201 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: So I was just gonna say, like, if you go 202 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: over there, if they ship you over there, you gonna 203 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: be like, really, I am going over there for this. 204 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: But if the money is good enough and it's a 205 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: contract contracted thing, you know what did I say? Money 206 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: talks and BS walks. That's a fascinating conversation.