1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: I feel the same way about traders in the US 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: as I do as I do about Islamists. You can't 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: live with us, can't be done. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: good to be with you. It was a story about 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: a soldier by the name of Taylor Adam Lee who 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: was arrested and I should say innocent, heal proven guilty 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: and all these things. Arrested on charges of attempted transmission 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: of national defense information to a foreign adversary. And they 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: also added an export of controlled technical data without a license. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: This from the Department of Justice. This guy is an 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: active duty Army soldier El Paso, Texas, and what he 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: tried to do was send classified military information on US 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: tank vulnerabilities to someone he believed to be a Russian 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: intelligence officer. Now that's treason. Hang em. I don't know 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: how that works anymore. Are they hung or they shot? 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: However that works, it cannot be allowed. Now. I say 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: this as somebody who opposes the death penalty in a 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: civilian life. I have found myself over the years becoming 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: opposed to the death penalty. And it's gonna sound weird 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: because of its finality. And I've always understood that the 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: death penalty had a finality to it. But rather what 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm opposed to is prosecution. Prosecutors who don't share information, 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: prosecutors who hide information, prosecutors who manipulate information. I have 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: a hard time trusting prosecutors because this has happened far 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: too often. I won't say that it happens with regularity. 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I can let somebody prove that to me if they 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: chose to, But it happens far too often. It happens 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: far too often that there are prosecutors prosecutions that don't 29 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: share all the information. They're so desperate for a conviction 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: that they're willing to hide things. And if you say 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: to me, that's not a nice thing to say about prosecutors, 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: that's really painting with a broad brush. I am saying 33 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: it happens, and it happens too often for my liking. 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: If they don't like it, that's their problem. It has 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: led me to believe that if we don't have proper 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: DNA tests and other things, the finality is simply unacceptable. 37 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: There's no chance to redeem the mistake, and we know 38 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: that mistakes have been made. I can't bring myself to 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: do that, and this has been You know the idea 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: that people don't change, Well, that's a bunch of crap. 41 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: People change. I am a better human being now than 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: I was in my twenties. By far. I'm a happier 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: human being. I am more joyous, I have more appreciation, 44 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I act better, I perform better, I engage, but all 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: of it, all of it. I'm a much different person 46 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: than in my teens and in my twenties. I've changed 47 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: far for the better, and my thoughts have as well, 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: as I've learned about things as I've engaged things. I 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: think one of the most embarrassing, if not pathetic, if 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: not self destructive things that takes place is when people say, well, 51 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: this is just who I am and people have to 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: accept it, And then they say that to others, this 53 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: is who you are and people just have to accept 54 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: who you are. Well, what if who you are sucks? 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Why don't we ever allow anybody to ask themselves that 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: question or say I'm not happy with this part of 57 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: who I am. I want to change it. I don't 58 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: like this part of me, my personality, my thought process, 59 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: my attitude. I want to change it. Just everything you 60 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: are is perfect, and everything everybody else has to deal 61 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: with it. That's nonsense. That is a far cry from 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: We're all made in God's image. Right. We may be 63 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: made in an image, but maybe you don't like what 64 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: it is you see, Why can't you go about changing that? 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't we be supportive of that? Now? It's true, 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: some people don't change. They are who they are, who 67 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: they are. But I believe that in the main people 68 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: at least can they absolutely positively can change, and and 69 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: and I favor it. So over the years, I have 70 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: gone from the crime as heinous deserve to die to yes, 71 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: the crime is it may may very well behamou very 72 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: well be heinous. Sorry, but have we gone through every 73 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: last effort to ensure we've got this right? That's really 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: where it is, because there will still be cases where 75 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the death penalty may be applied. And I would go, yeah, 76 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: here's the data. No one's arguing that, no one's questioning it. 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: There it is. That's or the civilian the citizen. The 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: soldier is a different thing. If we have proof that 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: this guy tried to sell tank vulnerabilities to the Russians, 80 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: then whatever happens to him happens to him. And I 81 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: don't care. I won't spend a moment thinking about it. 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: Did you try to sell information to the Russians that 83 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: would harm American soldiers, your fellow soldiers? Yep, Okay, it's done, 84 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: it's over, goodbye. I don't care how the methodology works. 85 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: You don't get to be here anymore. What you've done 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: is too egregious. Yeah. I do have a different standard 87 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: for it, Absolutely I do. But I think here's the 88 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: stranger part. Is this guy so incredibly stupid that he 89 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: thought he would have to give materials to become a 90 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Russian citizen. Couldn't you have us become a Russian citizen? 91 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: Headed over to Russia and said I'd like to be 92 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: a Russian citizen. Now, this guy have discussed obtaining and 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: providing to the Russian government a specific piece of hardware 94 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: inside an Abram's tank and delivered what appeared to be 95 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: the hardware to a storage unit in al Paso, Texas. 96 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: And then this guy sent a message to the individual 97 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: he believed to be a representative of the Russian government 98 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: stating mission accomplished. Come on, why what you know what? 99 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: The Russians don't even want this guy. We're like, yeah, 100 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: this guy is too stupid. This is useful idiot time 101 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: you literally wrote mission accomplished. Did you get this idea 102 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: from George Bush? What is wrong with you? You know what? 103 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: I don't care you put you you were willing to 104 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: put soldiers at risk. I got nothing for you, absolutely 105 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: positively nothing for you. Now, I said in the beginning, 106 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear. I feel the same 107 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: way about is Lomists. There are some people you cannot 108 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: live with in a civil society, and as Lombists, people 109 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: who believe in the Caliphate, people who believe in Sharia. 110 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: You cannot live with these people, you cannot engage with them. 111 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: And I'm going to share this story again. Did you 112 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: catch this out of Australia. Some guy is screaming and 113 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: yelling it's a rally for Palestine. You know what it is. 114 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: It's a pro Hamas rally. It's a kill all the 115 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: Jews rally. It is a destroy Western civilization rally. As 116 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: we have been discussing from the very very beginning, all 117 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: of this, all of this is about destroying Western civilization, 118 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: every last bit of it. So so with that, I 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: caught this piece out of Australia and let me just 120 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: give you this some fair warning. This guy is a 121 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: is a is a screamer because he's he's very tough. 122 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: He is screaming, is very very tough. But listen, we 123 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: said the same story, We said the same kind they gifted. 124 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: They gifted that land, they started land. Australia does not 125 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: have a lot to exist, just like Israel. 126 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Australia does not have a right to exist. Guys, we 127 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: were right from the beginning and we know it. There's 128 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: no question, there's no debate. All of these kafia wearing 129 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: they're all supporters of Hamas. Oh, they're in solidarity with 130 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: the Palestinians. No you're not. You're in solidarity with those 131 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: who want to destroy Western civilization. We see you. And 132 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: my response is, well, it's it's us or it's them, 133 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: and I choose us and screw them. Let's fight. And 134 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how we haven't had this conversation 135 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: yet in America. I do not know what Donald Trump 136 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: and JD. Vance are waiting for. The barbarians are at 137 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: the gates, and Islamists, people who want a worldwide caliphate, 138 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: people who want you to pay the jizia, the tax 139 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: or die, the people who believe that women can be 140 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: honor killed. The people who believe that women shouldn't be 141 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: allowed to leave their home without a man, The people 142 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: who believe that they have the absolute right to kill 143 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: the non believers, and killing and lying is well within 144 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: the mindset of the Islamist and is allowed by the Quran. 145 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: With all due respect, I don't know why we're having 146 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: any level of cordial conversation about this. I am not 147 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: discussing your Musslem neighbor. I am discussing the Islamist and 148 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: everybody you see on the streets, and everybody you see 149 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: at Columbia University in these other places who believes in 150 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the death of Jews and therefore the death of Western civilization. 151 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: It's us or it's them. I choose us. What are 152 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: we doing? We go back to the days of the 153 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Barbary pirates, from the halls of Montezuma to the shores 154 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: of Tripoli. You just can't do it. You cannot do it. 155 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: Christopher Hitchins tells the stories of Jefferson and reaching out. 156 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Why do you go after our people like this? Because 157 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: we're commanded to talks about the amount of Americans, So 158 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: we'll call them Americans for the sake of the better argument, 159 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: who were taken off these ships as they were traveling 160 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: and taken as slaves. We think slavery started in the 161 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: United States. Only the most ignorant and DEI advocate would 162 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: believe such a thing. Slavery is evil. We were wrong 163 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: to have it. But it didn't start here, and it 164 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: was larger in South America, and it was well throughout Europe. 165 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: And it was the people of Africa selling the people 166 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: of Africa. And there was an entire Middle East slave trade. 167 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: It's gross. And yes, you had these people taking as slaves. 168 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: We'll call them Americans, right the foundation of the nation 169 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: taken as slaves they were. This happened by people who 170 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: believe they had the right to do it, and to 171 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: this day have not changed, had not had a reformation, 172 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: have not had an enlightenment. You know, I talk about 173 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: people change, not the Islamist. The Islamist has not changed. 174 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: The Islamist believes in the worldwide caliphates and you must 175 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: submit and pay the jijia, the tax, or you must die. 176 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: What are we doing? It's us to them, what are 177 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: we doing? Why have we not stood up to this 178 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: and said, yeah, we're not in cities and municipalities. When 179 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: these people gather, these people must be stopped. They must 180 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: be stopped. And if you say to me, whoa what 181 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: if they're Americans and they're engaged in free speech, I 182 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: would make an argument that goes as follows free speech 183 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: I favor. I have never once said, for example, for 184 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: a low life bigot like Lewis Farcon, that he shouldn't 185 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: be allowed to speak. I can make the argument that 186 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: when the objective is so perfectly clear and is so 187 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: well enunciated, that maybe the free speech argument doesn't apply 188 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: because what they are favoring, what they are engaging in, 189 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: is about destruction. What they're engaging in is about incitement 190 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: to Uh oh, what's what's the word insurrection? That's it? 191 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: I knew I had it. What's the difference, what's the difference? 192 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: It's incitement to insurrection. I led Tea Party rallies across 193 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: the country. You know what I said, lower taxes and vote. 194 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: That's not insurrection. That is speech and utilizing our system 195 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: to get a better result. Australia does not have the 196 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: right to exist. Is a call to arms against Australia. 197 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Israel does not have a right to exist, as these 198 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: Islamists say it, and their counterparts, whether it be elected 199 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: officials like Illhano Mar and Rashida t Leave or others. Oh, 200 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: they believe what they believe. It's a or Columbia University 201 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: the other. It's a call to arms, it's a call 202 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: to an attack, it's a call to destruction, and it 203 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: should be met with the response that, yeah, we don't 204 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: allow that here, we don't allow the call for insurrection 205 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: to take place. We should also recognize the idea of 206 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: religion versus political system, but that's another story for another day. 207 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.