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Speaker 1: join will Power as a three time winner in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. War has won at the Milwaukee Mile. Oh

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Speaker 1: pace laps huge? What the development? Huge moment here?

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Speaker 2: What is going on with the number ten of Alex plow.

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Speaker 3: Stop gosh hard over on grooved, Joseph Newgart out from

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Speaker 1: And will Power is around are here grow He's made contact,

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Speaker 1: not much more historical than the Milwaukee Mile. In the

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Speaker 1: on a book. Highlights courtesy of IndyCar and NBC Sports

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Speaker 1: from last year's twin two fifties at the Milwaukee Mile.

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Speaker 1: Bill Previews Sunday afternoon's solo edition on Fox, the one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixteenth IndyCar race at the Milwaukee Mile. Next

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Speaker 1: year's NASCAR schedule is leaked. We'll discuss how it can

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Speaker 1: questions and comments via Twitter and X. Hello and welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us trackside on ninety three to five

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. That's where Landon Coons is at downtown. Kevin Lee,

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Speaker 1: Kurt Cavin, and Kurt we start with this day in

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Speaker 1: is always worth noting what happened on this date in history,

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Speaker 2: And sixteen years ago, a five mile race, two laps

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Speaker 1: are they down because the championship has been over since April?

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Speaker 1: You know? That might be something we have to I

433
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Speaker 1: think that's going to be the tasks for Indyecar marketing

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Speaker 1: and Fox marketing. Unless Alex Polo is going away, and

435
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Speaker 1: unless they are doing a playoff, you're very likely in

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Speaker 1: this position again next year. I'm not going to say

437
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent, but what do you think forty to

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Speaker 1: fifty chance he dominates the championship again next year? At

439
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Speaker 1: least a thirty three percent chance, So we're going to

440
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Speaker 1: need another hook. Then the championship always comes down to

441
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Speaker 1: the last lap. We're going to need to accentuate the

442
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Speaker 1: entertainment value of each individual events and something else because

443
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Speaker 1: the championship may not get it done well. I agree.

444
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Speaker 1: Might be why your ratings. For those that want to

445
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Speaker 1: say the ratings are down and look at it that way,

446
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Speaker 1: that might be the number one reason why they're down

447
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Speaker 1: because it's been a foregone conclusion since at least May.

448
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Speaker 1: Who was winning the championship. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think I appreciate that we'll we very

450
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Speaker 2: very likely are going to be in this position again

451
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Speaker 2: next year. I just don't think with a complicated point system,

452
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Speaker 2: I still have to explain it to people who are

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Speaker 2: who are following this sport on a regular basis. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know we've been saying, you know, he's the expected champion,

455
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Speaker 2: but I've also continue to read the way people write

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Speaker 2: it that that you know there are still Poto Award

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Speaker 2: is still in the hunt.

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Speaker 1: So I get it. I just think that's smart people

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Speaker 1: know that's not true. Well, I think that for a

460
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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 2: I think the smart people are already watching because they

462
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Speaker 2: like IndyCar racing. That's all I'm saying. I think I

463
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Speaker 2: think the casual fan doesn't know the difference. They're just

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Speaker 2: watching the action. And I do think it's been a

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Speaker 2: positive that Alex Pelow's status has now brought him into

466
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Speaker 2: the mainstream conversation. If you're just a motorsports fan watching

467
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Speaker 2: an IndyCar race, now you've known Graham, Ray Hall, you

468
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Speaker 2: know Joseph Neugarten, and now you know Alex Polow.

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Speaker 1: Scott Cooper Scott DC eight sixty one says Penske Entertainment

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Speaker 1: hasn't exactly hit it out of the park in event promotion.

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Speaker 1: There's already an entity in place, Koreen Savary, which has

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Speaker 1: done amazing jobs at Saint Pete mid Ohio in Toronto, Portland, TBD.

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't Penske contract with them for other events? Well,

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Speaker 1: you're assuming that Green Savary wants to partner. I mean

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Speaker 1: they have a limited staff as well, correct, I mean

476
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Speaker 1: they have their hands in four events. Middle Ohio is

477
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Speaker 1: massively important to them, not that Saint Pete track. They

478
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Speaker 1: own the track.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know Saint Pete obviously is big, and

480
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't do the other two if it wasn't important

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Speaker 2: to them. So they're all important. But midd Ohio they own,

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Speaker 2: and Saint Pete is a season opener, and they can

483
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Speaker 2: only be so many places. It's in so many you know,

484
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Speaker 2: time zones, and you know they have to use their

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Speaker 2: resources to get to Portland when they should be in

486
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Speaker 2: midd Ohio or they should be in Toronto or could

487
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Speaker 2: be I suppose anyway, So it's you can't assume that

488
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Speaker 2: Green Savary wants to do more. And you know they've

489
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Speaker 2: done They've done great by it and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I feel confident that every time there

491
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Speaker 1: is a new venue that doesn't have a built in promoter,

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Speaker 1: Penske reaches out and asks Green Savary, Hey, are you interested?

493
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Speaker 1: And then it may be if you are okay, are

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Speaker 1: you willing to pay the sanctioning fee, because that's what

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Speaker 1: a promoter does, That's what Green Savary is doing. They're

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Speaker 1: putting their neck out on the line for all these

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Speaker 1: events and they are guaranteeing IndyCar money. And essentially that's

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Speaker 1: why IndyCar is promoting some of these other events, because

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Speaker 1: they've decided to invest. We think these venues and markets

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Speaker 1: are worth it, so we're going to take the chance

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Speaker 1: and not collect any money. Some of them are a

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Speaker 1: little bit vague. I don't know exactly how the new

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Speaker 1: Arlington Race works. I'm guessing I'm hoping that the Rangers

504
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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are putting in an actual sanctioning fee,

505
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that. They may just be helping

506
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Speaker 1: in regards with advertising, promotion and things along those lines.

507
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Speaker 1: And Lynn Drive for seven Lynn Underscore IndyCar says seems

508
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Speaker 1: like the twenty six schedule is on hold due to

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Speaker 1: the ongoing negotiations with Mexico City promoter, which is now

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Speaker 1: Live Nation after buying controlling interest of Okasa. Your question

511
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Speaker 1: not friends of IndyCar. Who owns Live Nation? Answer Liberty

512
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Speaker 1: Media owner of F one, Lynn Wrights. So yeah, that's

513
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Speaker 1: one of the things that Nathan Brown wrote about in

514
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Speaker 1: The Star last week that may or may not be

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Speaker 1: the reason for the hold up, but it is something

516
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Speaker 1: to be interested in. I think it's they own something

517
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Speaker 1: like forty nine percents now, so you already we're dealing

518
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Speaker 1: with a track that Formula one is their biggest event,

519
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Speaker 1: and now Formula one has a big stake in it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they really want IndyCar to do well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they really want fans in Mexico City

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Speaker 1: to find another option that might be a third or

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Speaker 1: a fourth of the price and might have a Mexican

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Speaker 1: driver that has a great chance of winning the race,

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Speaker 1: unlike Formula One. So yeah, I'm not I've said this

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Speaker 1: all along. I always believe these deals are done when

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Speaker 1: I see them announce, and sometimes I even need to

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Speaker 1: get on the plane to go there because Kurt, I

529
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Speaker 1: think there have been two events I've had tickets for

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Speaker 1: and have had those canceled about two months before the

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Speaker 1: event actually happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can certainly vouch for that in my what

533
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Speaker 2: now approaching forty years of being involved with this sport,

534
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Speaker 2: that there have been numerous examples where we thought we

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Speaker 2: were headed one direction only to not end up there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to more of your tweets covering a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground there and some other stuff all coming up.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into silly season with some of the questions

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Speaker 1: we have next track side ninety three to five one

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Speaker 1: oh seven to five of the fan. Hi, this is

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Speaker 1: Poto Award and you're listening to truck Side. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: staying with us. More from the Xbox. From Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Kevin Lee twenty three and at Kurt Cabin. This is

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Speaker 1: from Storm and Soda. Just going to kind of bounce

545
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Speaker 1: around and cover some other topics here. Not a question,

546
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Speaker 1: but have really appreciated how Christian lung Guard has sparred

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Speaker 1: with Polo this year. I remember multiple occasions where he's

548
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Speaker 1: drove well, defensively or fought back against him. Really the

549
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Speaker 1: only one in the field I can think of doing that.

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Speaker 1: Props to him. I think that's an excellent note and

551
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Speaker 1: I actually had it in my notes thinking, and I

552
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Speaker 1: know Christian when we saw him interviewed after he finished

553
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Speaker 1: second a couple of weeks ago at Portland, looked pretty down.

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Speaker 1: What I would say to him is you actually beat

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Speaker 1: Alex Polou in a straight up fight, and that's not

556
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Speaker 1: happened to very many people this year. So I still

557
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Speaker 1: think it's been a really good season for Lounguard.

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Speaker 2: I think he's established himself as as one of the

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Speaker 2: top guys. I'm not willing to say he's a championship

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Speaker 2: contender yet because he hasn't shown it consistently on the

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Speaker 2: Ovals and certainly not the short Ovals, but I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, if he can take that step over the

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Speaker 2: next calendar year that Polo has taken on the on

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Speaker 2: the Ovals, then he'll be right with Alex because he

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Speaker 2: You're right he and then you know, pot A Award

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Speaker 2: is the other one that has taken the fight to Alex, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, on on multiple occasions. You know, those are

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Speaker 2: the two guys right now that that in my mind

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Speaker 2: can beat can beat Alex Poulo. Obviously any of the

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Speaker 2: Penskes could and if they get there, you know, ship

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Speaker 2: righted but Christian has taken a big step this year.

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Speaker 1: Next question is from Chris, and he's on it, says,

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Speaker 1: let's discuss Andretti stealing Jackson's sponsor. Hey, now, did you

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Speaker 1: so Marcus Erickson and Andretti have a new sponsor for

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it was announced, so i'll but

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Speaker 1: I know it's on the car this weekend. Browning chat Bean,

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Speaker 1: which is based in Westfield, specialty contractors a lot of

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Speaker 1: flooring work. They have been Jackson's, I think now, longest

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Speaker 1: term partner. They've been with him since he got into

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Speaker 1: car racing his first year in USF two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Maybe coincidence or not, but that's kind of how motorsports works.

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Speaker 1: You see a logo on a type of a race car,

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Speaker 1: you approach them and say, hey, would you like to

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Speaker 1: be on our race car? So this is also a

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Speaker 1: big company in the Indianapolis area, so all is fair

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Speaker 1: in that regard. And I have been aware that they've

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Speaker 1: been talking to Andretti throughout the year. They continue to

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Speaker 1: be a partner of Jackson's and I am happy that

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Speaker 1: they are on the Andretti car this week and as well,

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Speaker 1: so that's cool. It's a good looking race car. And

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Speaker 1: I've advised Allen and the Browning Chappin people that they

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Speaker 1: would not have a better representative than Marcus, so good

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Speaker 1: time for them, and luckily they are still a part

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Speaker 1: of the Jackson Lee Racing Empire as well at this point.

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Speaker 1: So that's one of the new looks. I don't have

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Speaker 1: interr list is on out yet, right, I've not seen

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Speaker 1: what different looks what Penske sponsored as Malucas have on

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Speaker 1: his car this week. Yeah, I don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: If we were a Wednesday show, that typically is when

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Speaker 2: Arnie Shreven would distribute it. But yeah, I've not seen

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Speaker 2: the entry list yet.

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Speaker 1: Let's see next question if he has Verizon. If he

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Speaker 1: has Verizon, that's where we'll well here this question will

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Speaker 1: kind of lead into this from Mohammad, most boring off

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Speaker 1: season ever smiley face laughing emoji. I think, so we

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Speaker 1: know this. Here's his prediction. Malucas to Penske, Armstrong to

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Speaker 1: m Y. I guess that's Meyer Shank, which that's been confirmed.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that we have this week

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Speaker 1: is that Marcus Armstrong is staying put. It was a

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Speaker 1: little bit vague. Kurt, what's the wording. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read the wording in the press release. So my understanding,

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Speaker 1: and I think others, has been that Marcus Armstrong was

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Speaker 1: fulfilling a contract with Chip Ganassi Racing and was essentially

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Speaker 1: loaned out or this was a part of the technical

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Speaker 1: partnership with chip Ganassi supplying engineers and data to Meyer

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Speaker 1: Shank Racing, and that was up. And what Mike Shank

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Speaker 1: has always told me is that they don't have to

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Speaker 1: take the Ganassi driver. But it makes perfect sense. I

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Speaker 1: think he had an interest in Melucas last year, but

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Speaker 1: it makes sense that, well, this works well with the

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Speaker 1: partnership and Marcus is also really good. Is Marcus now

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Speaker 1: a Meyer Shank driver or is he still a Ganassi driver?

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Speaker 1: My guess is, if I'm Marcus Armstrong, I would like

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Speaker 1: to still be a Ganassi driver because I want to

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Speaker 1: be in line whenever Scott Dixon retires, which might be

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Speaker 1: nine years from now, but you know, when you're in

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Speaker 1: your mid forties, it's kind of a year to year

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Speaker 1: type of thing that I at least want to still

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Speaker 1: have a chance to be there in case he decides

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I've had enough and I want

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Speaker 1: to move on or something changes and you can go

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Speaker 1: back to four cars or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 1: And I believe the wording, which I knew, I did

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Speaker 1: a cut and paste. This basically said that he will

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Speaker 1: drive for the team next year. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: says anything about we have re signed him or signed him.

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Speaker 1: It's just he is going to be with team for

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Speaker 1: next year, which which is all good. And it's just semantics.

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Speaker 1: In a small portion of this back to Muhammad's predictions,

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Speaker 1: Howger Hunkos, VK coin Power, Ray Hall, Letterman, Lanigan, Di Francesco,

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Speaker 1: coin Abel, aj Foyd Daily, Imsa. So a lot to

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Speaker 1: unpack there, and I don't know if any of those

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Speaker 1: are totally out of left field. So I'll starting backwards

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Speaker 1: version with Connor Daily. I know Connor Day is not

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Speaker 1: ready to give up an IndyCar and wants to be

646
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Speaker 1: an IndyCar, and I think he has a really good

647
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: chance to be an IndyCar next year. But just happened

648
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: to notice that yesterday a team that he has been

649
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: involved with in the past, and the team owner, Paul Sparta,

650
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: owns the Random Vandals sports car team that's raced an SRO.

651
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Speaker 1: That's where Connor was going to be racing last year

652
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Speaker 1: before he got the call up to Honkos, and he's

653
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: still going to be doing an event for them. I

654
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Speaker 1: think he's going to run maybe the NDY eight Hour

655
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Speaker 1: Weekend with them. So Paul Sparta and his company, I think,

656
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Speaker 1: have supported Connor in the past. If he were to

657
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: look for something in sports car racing where he can

658
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: get paid and not just have to bring all of

659
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Speaker 1: the budget, that's where I'm going to guess he would start.

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Speaker 1: And Paul Sparta just said a couple of days ago

661
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Speaker 1: that my hope is to have an Imselweather Tech GTD

662
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Speaker 1: team next year with BMW, so that's a little higher

663
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Speaker 1: platform than SRO. So I think that's a long shot

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Speaker 1: that Connor is the driver because they have other drivers

665
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Speaker 1: that are there full time. But it just kind of

666
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Speaker 1: struck me, is that maybe if I'm Connor, I want

667
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Speaker 1: to kind of keep that in my back pocket and

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Speaker 1: at least explore that. But I know he wants to

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Speaker 1: get it done in IndyCar and he's got two week

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Speaker 1: races with a great chance it results, and I'm optimistic

671
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: he can retain a seat somewhere. It starts with Bill

672
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Power still and I know nothing more that I do

673
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: last week, and I'll go to the next question to

674
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Speaker 1: lead us to this. Jason at Don Jason zero zero says,

675
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: have you listened to the most recent Speed Treat podcast

676
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Speaker 1: where Connor interviews will Power? He does not sound like

677
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Speaker 1: a driver that currently has a job. I don't know

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Speaker 1: who if Jason is referring to will Power or Connor.

679
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Speaker 1: That's kind of the reality these They're on yearly contracts,

680
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: so neither of them are guaranteed to have a job

681
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Speaker 1: next season. Connor has been pretty plain about that throughout

682
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Speaker 1: the year, and even if there is a contract, I'm

683
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Speaker 1: sure it is a team option, so he is going

684
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Speaker 1: to have to get rehired. And we've been telling you

685
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Speaker 1: all along that Will Power does not have a job

686
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Speaker 1: with Team Penske. Now he might, and I'm still not

687
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Speaker 1: ruling out. So, as I said last week, I believe

688
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Speaker 1: will Power believes he has done and most of a

689
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: paddock believes he is leaving Team Penske. But I think

690
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: most of us also think, hey, you never know, because

691
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Speaker 1: it still doesn't make a great deal of sense why

692
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Speaker 1: you want to move on from the only driver that's

693
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Speaker 1: won a race that is by far the best in

694
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Speaker 1: the championship, that was the best on your team last year,

695
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So I am still holding out,

696
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: not just hope, but a thought that Roger Penske has

697
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: something up his sleeve and will power may still return

698
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: to the team next season. That doesn't make a lot

699
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: of sense, because we have you said, you don't hide

700
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: good news. But when I keep hearing I won't know

701
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: anything until August thirty first, I keep going back to

702
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a clause that we don't know

703
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: whether it's going to be enacted now or not, or

704
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: we are trying to come up with another solution, and

705
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: we're going to take as long as we can before

706
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: we have to decide on something.

707
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep that just doesn't make any sense that

708
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have told him, they wouldn't have announced it,

709
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have said something. I agree. I think the

710
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: sense that he's projecting is that he will not be

711
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: a Team Penske next year. But that may just be

712
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: he's resigned himself that that's the ultimate outcome here. But

713
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Speaker 2: I think there's still a chance. It may be a

714
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: ten to twenty percent, but I still see a pathway

715
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: to making this happen where he stays, because either Malucas

716
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: hasn't achieved the level that is in the contract that

717
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: says he will move to Team Penske, maybe he has

718
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: to finish in the top ten points, you know, something

719
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Speaker 2: to that effect.

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Speaker 1: Or we're going to try to talk him into staying

721
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Speaker 1: put and try to explain if they do indeed believe

722
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: that's best for all parties. And I also get the

723
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Speaker 1: Malucas side of things, and I hope this does happen,

724
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Speaker 1: that David Malucas doesn't bear the brunt of this. It

725
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: would not be his fault if this happens. It's if

726
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: someone offers you a seat at Team Penske. You are

727
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: not going to ask a lot of questions. You're going

728
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: to simply say where do I sign up? This would

729
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: not be his fault. And I also get that putting

730
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Speaker 1: him in that seat, you're going to see a different driver.

731
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Speaker 1: He is very likely to take a huge step up.

732
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Speaker 1: It would just be different to what Team Penske has

733
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: always done. They've always taken drivers that already made and competing.

734
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Speaker 1: McLaughlin's the only one, but he had won three championships

735
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Speaker 1: for the team. In another high level series, but he

736
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: was the one that didn't have IndyCar experience. You got

737
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: to go way back to find someone that did not

738
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Speaker 1: have pedigree in IndyCar racing for Team Penske to give

739
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: them a chance. Well, Lucas has some he has doesn't

740
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: want to race, and he hasn't wont a poll yet.

741
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: No, but he did finish essentially third in the Indy

742
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: five hundred, technically second, which is pretty pretty impressive, and

743
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: he has finished second in you know, to Team Penske

744
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: at Worldwide Technology Raceway. He has shown flashes on ovals

745
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: he had just does not won a race, and it

746
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: still seemed like there was one more point to be

747
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: made here. But I think it's still possible that Will

748
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: Will's going to be there next year.

749
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Lucas is worthy, it's just comparing against the other three

750
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: options that you know, I think if this was four

751
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: years ago, they just create a fourth car for a

752
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: year like they've done in the past, but that's not

753
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: really an option at this point in this new charter environment.

754
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: So we'll talk more on this, and we'll go through

755
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: the list and what we have and who we think

756
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is available and kind of get into that coming up

757
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: from preview hour number two. More coming up Trackside ninety

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Speaker 1: three five one oh seven five The Fan. Hi, this

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00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: is Scott McLachlin and you're listening to trackside on ninety

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Speaker 1: three five and one I seven five the Fan, Our

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Speaker 1: number two coming up. In just a moment, we will

762
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: continue our conversation about silly season and what we think

763
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: might happen next year. We'll go back to some more

764
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: of your tweets. We need to start talking about Milwaukee,

765
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: what we think will happen this coming Sunday, and what

766
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: else is in store for the weekend, and plenty more

767
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: all on the way on trackside, Hi, this is what

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Speaker 1: Power and you're listening to trackside our number two track

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00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: site on ninety three five one oh seven to five

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00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the Fan in Indianapolis. After first off weekend in quite

771
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: a while, we're back at it. Final two both ont

772
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: ovals the Milwaukee Mile coming Sunday A week from Sunday,

773
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Speaker 1: the Nashville super Speedway two o'clock on Fox this Sunday afternoon,

774
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: about a two to twenty green flag. Also coverage here

775
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: on the radio ninety three five one oh seven five

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Speaker 1: The Fan. No conflict with the NASCAR Cup race they

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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: are at Daytona on Saturday night seven point thirty on NBC,

778
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: the Infinity Race as it's now known for a little

779
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: bit longer on the CW on Friday nights at seven thirty,

780
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: there is MS so we are head to head with IMSA.

781
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: That's on USA and Peacock Sunday afternoon from v i

782
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Speaker 1: R Virginia International Raceway. We always like to talk about,

783
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, primetime advantages Saturday night races. I just saw

784
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: that the Nastar car ratings from this past Saturday night

785
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: which I was home and watched, and it was a

786
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: really good race. They had a lot of tirewaar not

787
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: tire deg I know you don't like tire deg so

788
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: tireware and just different strategies going on. But Saturday nights

789
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: sometimes are difficult. The rating this year was down significantly

790
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: from last year. A point seventy five one point four

791
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: million viewers for Saturday Night's Cup race at Richmond compared

792
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: to last year one point two rating and two point

793
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: two million on a Sunday evening. So let's talk about

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00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and before cast that I also saw come by

795
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: low seventies and sunshine on Sunday. How does that sound

796
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and high seventies and mostly sunny on Saturday. I think

797
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a chance of some rain

798
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: at some point, but not a lot. Still too early

799
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: to get into that, but we can start with temperatures,

800
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: which they're really good with and I like it.

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00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wisconsin always seems to do well by us, whether

802
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: it be you know, up a little further north or

803
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: on the ovals. It's usually pretty nice road. America I

804
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: think was hotter this year, but you know it's going

805
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: to be good. I'll tell you if you want to

806
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: root for drama, root for will Power this weekend. He

807
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: finished second in Race one last year. If he strings

808
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: two wins together here late in the season, the team

809
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: Penske drama is going to be really interesting to watch

810
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: play out. I don't if he wins one of these

811
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: last two races. By the way, two o'clock is your

812
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: memory bank. You need to put that in the memory

813
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: bank because the next two races, these two remaining, are

814
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: both at two o'clock broadcast times Eastern. But if will

815
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: Power wins, which he very well could win this weekend

816
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, this has been a place where he's won before.

817
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: He has in his I think he's had seven starts

818
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: on the Milwaukee Mile. He's had a first, a second,

819
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: a third, a fourth, and a tenth, so he has

820
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: been Last year it was second and tenth. So he's

821
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: been very good at Milwaukee, and you would expect that

822
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: he'll be in the hunt again. I don't know if

823
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: he wins the race, but if you want some drama

824
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: in your life, in your silly season, throw Willpower on

825
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: Victory Lane come Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested. I don't think they would say anything,

827
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: going back to the will Power thing. That is kind

828
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: of how Team Pensi has always done things when they

829
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: are ready to move on. We were asking, well, why

830
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't they just say if they're moving on. That's not

831
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: how they operate. They finished the season and they make announcements,

832
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: which is why everyone thinks that he's gone. I'm still saying,

833
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: maybe they just change their mind, and maybe that's one

834
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: of the reasons why they don't announce things until after

835
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: it's done, just to leave them some room in case

836
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: we need to do something different. You know, if indeed

837
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: they are moving on, was this decision made last year?

838
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, you're making it when this

839
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: time last year he was in the championship. If his

840
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: seat belt doesn't come loose, he might have a chance

841
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: to win the championship. In the last race of the season.

842
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: He won more races than anyone else last year.

843
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: Well, he was tied him to this, he was tied.

844
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: He won three. There were potter pot potter one three

845
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: did so did McLachlin. McLaughlin also went there were three

846
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: or four guys won three.

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00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Here's an I like theories. Why would Team Penske, if

848
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: that's the case, have written it down that Will Power

849
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: was basically going to have to leave at the end

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five when he was coming off of

851
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: a season like that. One thing is I've heard this before.

852
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: When you don't know the answer, start thinking about money.

853
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Money is often the answer to questions if you don't know,

854
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: is that it I don't know, I don't know. Team

855
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Penske doesn't require fund the drivers. Maybe there is a

856
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: business to business relationship with HMD Trucking, But a more

857
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: likely theory is what if Chip Ganassi had taken an

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00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: interest in David Malucas and was going to place him

859
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: and keep him in the car that he was driving

860
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: the number sixty six for Meyer Shank Racing for this

861
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: past season. I know this. Michael Shanks said, I might

862
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: have entertained keeping Melucas, but he was off the market

863
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: before we got to it. Does this happen? I looked

864
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: it up today. It was announced. I think it was

865
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: announced August thirteenth last year. That means it was done

866
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: before that. That's when it was announced. I could be

867
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: off on a few days, but it was sometime a

868
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: little over a year ago. If Team Penske needed to

869
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: have a reason, if indeed this is happening the way

870
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: we think it is that it's written in stone that

871
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: Melucas is moving to a Penske car and there's no

872
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: room at the end for willpower. What other reason would

873
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: there have been is that we think this guy is

874
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: it and we don't want to risk losing him because

875
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: normally it's Joseph Neugarten whoever else, hang tight, we're gonna

876
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: get you when we're ready. And there wasn't really an

877
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: option at Ganassi or no one was close to signing him.

878
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: But now Ganassi you can argue, you can easily argue

879
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: is the better place to be, not only looking at

880
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: the championship this year. But you wrote the story in

881
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: IndyCar dot Com this week they've won seventeen champions and

882
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: how many years now? Yeah? Thirty, thirty, Yeah, seventeen and thirty.

883
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: That's the same number Team Penske has won since nineteen

884
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: sixty nine, and in recent years the numbers say you

885
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: have a better chance of winning a championship at Chip

886
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Kanassi Racing than you do at Team Penske.

887
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: It's almost incomprehensible, but the facts are the facts, and I.

888
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: Have no intel on that. I have no idea if

889
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: that's right. It's just throwing stuff up against the wall.

890
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: But I'm just still trying to come to grips is

891
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: how is there not a seat for Willpower? And it

892
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: might be because we felt like we had we were

893
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: in competition and we had to offer something to David

894
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: Malucas right now or we ran the risk of not

895
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: having him when it is time to replace one of

896
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: our drivers.

897
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: I just and I think the world of Dave, and

898
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: obviously Aaron McLaren did too. I just don't know how

899
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: you you put every egg in the basket right there

900
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: to make sure that doesn't he doesn't get away from you.

901
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: I just I just don't know what's so convincing about

902
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: his about his background that, I mean, why didn't if

903
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: he's that good and he might be, If he's that good,

904
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: why did Aaron McLaren cut ties, Why didn't they just

905
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: wait on him?

906
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: Because I don't know that they thought he was ever

907
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: going to be able to drive effectively. Again, David has

908
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: said his wrist is not ever going to be one

909
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: hundred percent. He is overcoming that, yeah, to be able

910
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: to and maybe he won't be as good as he

911
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: ever could be, but he's still pretty good. And he

912
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: showed a lot of good results last year, especially in

913
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: the Meyer Shank camp, and has been really strong at

914
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: times this year, not as consistent I think is they

915
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: would like, and hasn't had as many big days as

916
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: everyone is hoping for. But they're always extenuating circumstances in that.

917
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the only thing I can come

918
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: to is that someone else was after him and there

919
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: was competition, and let's face it, you get better deals

920
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: if there is someone else interested in your services. Absolutely,

921
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: If you're competing against no one, then then they could

922
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: have simply said it's our option, We're going to bring

923
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: you over when we're ready to bring you over.

924
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: So the only thing that I guess I would challenge

925
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 2: you on this. I know Will. I know Will can

926
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: tow the party line, and he can. But why hasn't

927
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: he slipped and told somebody who could write it that

928
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: they've told him he's done.

929
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: Because I don't think they've told him he's done. I

930
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: think he's telling the truth.

931
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: I do too, I think he's telling the truth as well.

932
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Why didn't they tell him when he could when he

933
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: could have shopped his own services?

934
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: Because they probably I think he he knows he can

935
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: shop his services. I don't think team Penske is going

936
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: to stand in his way to have Oriele Servia look

937
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: around and have a place for him to be. This

938
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: can get done and there's not collusion like you see

939
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL that that is not a deturing factor.

940
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: I believe that he knows enough to be able to

941
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: move forward. And I think if he did have an offer,

942
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: that'd be interesting how he would work that he'd have

943
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: to go in like hypothetical. So say, boss, what if

944
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I did have a firm offer right now, should I

945
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: take it? Roger or not?

946
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: Not?

947
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Saying I do because I'm not talked to anybody, but

948
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: if I did, what do you think I should do?

949
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: Here's the beauty of it all. Will's gonna tell us

950
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: Come September first, Will is gonna He's gonna explain how

951
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: this happened. He's eventually going, yeah, maybe not September first.

952
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: Who with some point. But Will's smart enough to not

953
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: burn bridges.

954
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: He's not gonna burn bridge, but he's gonna explain what happened.

955
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: You know, there are other drivers who wouldn't do that.

956
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: They would just it would Justy's.

957
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: So you're saying he's gonna say, yeah, they just simply

958
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: they had to put Malucas in the seat because they

959
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: hain't got tract. I think he probably will tell.

960
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: Us that at some point checkered flag come next weekend.

961
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you a reality show, Drive to Survive one

962
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: hundred days to Indy. If you could just get that

963
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: team Team Penske to open up, which they're not, or

964
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: make it a thirty for thirty. I'm not sure that

965
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: our unfortunately our sport is big enough to draw a

966
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: large enough audience. But let's think about the stories that

967
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: we still do not know. The answers for starting at

968
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: Saint Pete twenty twenty four. I'm not just hiding what

969
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I think is the truth. I don't know what happened.

970
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: I have theories, I have thoughts, I have things people

971
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: have told me, but I don't think they know either

972
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: what happened with Push to Pass and then what happened

973
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: because of what happened with Push to Pass. It ultimately

974
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: led to three very distinguished people in the sport losing

975
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: their job on the eve of the Indy five hundred.

976
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: Because what happened in May this year is a nothing

977
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: burger if we didn't have Saint Pete in twenty twenty four.

978
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: So you got that, and you got the will Power story,

979
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: and you've got the bus Bros. Coming to an end.

980
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: There are stories of plenty, just within the team. Penske

981
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: walls that people would be in our sport. Now maybe

982
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: there's not enough of us. But if you wanted to

983
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: try to sell your own docuseries but nobody wants their

984
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: dirty laundry aired, Formula one has sort of allowed that,

985
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: but they don't allow everything. But you're getting enough of it.

986
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: It's still amazing, how because they know that's not going

987
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: to air for two more months. But you go back

988
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: and watch those shows, and I think some of it's

989
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of scripted, but they're saying what they're thinking in

990
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: the time. Toto Wolfe is saying, yeah, I don't know

991
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: if George Russell's good enough for us. And that's aired

992
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: and we see that that's from last year, you know,

993
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: around this time last year or June July, whatever it was. Yeah,

994
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: we got to still see some more things from George

995
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: and that's in his mind this year when they're flirting

996
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: with Max verstapping again, it's.

997
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: You know, and we and no, you're a little thirty

998
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: for thirty or countdown to Indy here would include just

999
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: various clips of Will standing on Pitt Road, venting, throwing

1000
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: water bottles, just have a little segment throwing things at you.

1001
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: Usually to me, I'm still fascinated of what actually happened.

1002
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Is it exactly as they stated? But we can't even

1003
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: because they had different stories. What Joseph said was different

1004
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: than what the team said. So eh, which is why

1005
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe we're where we're at and they're eighteenth, eleventh, and

1006
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: sixth in the championship. And those weren't eighty seven d

1007
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: nfs this year you said those were distinguished members of

1008
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: the Paddock. I would argue that at least two of

1009
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: them are in the top five or six people in

1010
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: terms of influence and respect, and they may all three

1011
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: be in the top twelve in this sport. They are

1012
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: the elite of the elite, Tim Sindrick and Robert Zinski

1013
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: and Kyle Moyer. And it took ten minutes for when

1014
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: Kyle decided he wanted to work in and again and

1015
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: felt like he could work again before he was hired

1016
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: by a top team. And it's probably going to be

1017
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: the same for the other two if they want to

1018
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: work now. Ron is not as well known a name

1019
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: because he was an engineer for many years until became

1020
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: a strategist and one of the people that we talked

1021
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: to on TV in the last five years. But I'm

1022
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: telling you so, I don't know if Tim Sindrick wants

1023
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: to work. You know, Tim is doing pretty well, but

1024
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: if he wants to, he will, and if Ron wants to.

1025
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: And I don't pretend to know Ron well enough to

1026
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: know whether he is going to want to or not,

1027
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: but I put him pretty close to P one on

1028
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: the free agent list head of all the drivers this winter.

1029
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: If I'm looking to reshape my organization. How can I

1030
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: make us better? That's a silly season that as we

1031
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: look at people that are out there, and what I

1032
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: joked last week about, I'd go after everyone on the

1033
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: tent stand. Now I'm sure everyone does. I'm also quite

1034
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: certain none of them are leaving. All of those people

1035
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: are lifers at Chipkannassi Racing. They ain't going nowhere. But

1036
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: that as you're trying to figure out some way to

1037
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: break up this juggernaut that is the number ten Chip

1038
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: Gannassi Racing team and you can't get the driver. You're

1039
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: going after anybody that you can at this point, but

1040
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere. They're all quite content and happy

1041
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: with where they're at. Where did I start with this?

1042
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: We were talking about the talking about the weekend. So I

1043
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: watched the last two races from Milwaukee last night and today.

1044
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: They were really really good. Yeah, they were really good

1045
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: last year, and I don't know why it should be

1046
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: any different. It should be the same tire we had,

1047
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: the hybrid. You had daytime races last year, so this

1048
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: should be really similar. And boy did we have a

1049
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of different developments. Race two alone. Let's take you

1050
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: back to Race two. I feel like the championship was

1051
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: something like low forties, and there were still there was

1052
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: still one race to go, so it was going to

1053
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: take power finishing ahead of Polo to stay ahead in

1054
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: the championship, and then Polo as a mechanical first thought

1055
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: it was a hybrid issue. It turned out to be

1056
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: some sort of a battery. But he starts the race

1057
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: eight laps down and will Power all of a sudden

1058
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: is minus six points as they run in a position.

1059
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: If he were to win the race and he's running

1060
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: second and third, he could have had the championship lead,

1061
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: and then he spends on his own on a restart,

1062
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, only finishes tenth in that race, or

1063
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: it could have been winner take all. At Nashville last year,

1064
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: you had Scott McLaughlin win a race. Last year you

1065
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: had Potto Award win a race. You had Connor Daily

1066
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: win a million dollars for Hunkos and essentially his seat

1067
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: for this season. You had a wheel fall off. Colton

1068
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: Herd and the Andretties were good last year. The McLaren's

1069
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: were good, the Penskes were good. Who else.

1070
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: That's pretty much It obviously seems good enough with Connor

1071
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: Marcus Armstrong finished finished third in the other race.

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: Linas Lundquist was good in the eight car, but he

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: started a crash at the beginning. Oh and really, Joseph

1074
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: Neugarten is going to feel like when he watches this

1075
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: race back these races, that it was twenty twenty five,

1076
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: not twenty twenty four, because that was very twenty twenty five.

1077
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: Like for Newgarden. He crashes with Marcus Erickson in race one,

1078
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of a disagreement. I still don't know, you know,

1079
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: did Marcus come up, did Joseph come down? Did Marcus

1080
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: not leave enough room? One of them racing deals. And

1081
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: then in race two from Pohl, he's hit from behind

1082
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: when they waved off the start. One of the reasons

1083
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: why they don't often wave off starts because things like

1084
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: that happened. But that was a micro cossam of this

1085
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: year for Joseph Newgarden. Surely at some point something has

1086
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: to go right for him.

1087
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what it'll be.

1088
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you'd have to think he'd be

1089
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: in the conversation this weekend, but they've not been. They've

1090
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: not been outstanding like you would expect. The other thing

1091
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: that I thought was interesting.

1092
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Well, in the short ovals they have, they're still they're

1093
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: still fast, they're still outstanding. Yeah, I'm not as dominant

1094
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: as they were, still really really good. Yeah, No, I

1095
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: would agree with that.

1096
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: Last year in that second race, I was going back

1097
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: the question we had on IndyCar dot Com that comes

1098
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: out tomorrow is, you know, we've seen Polo and a

1099
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: few others win their first oval race here this year

1100
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: and or in the last two years. So who's on

1101
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: tap to finally win an oval race? And you had

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01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: a slew of those top contenders last year at Milwaukee

1103
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: nearly win their first oval race, Marcus Armstrong, Connor Daily,

1104
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: and the rest of the top ten. I think there

1105
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: were like seven drivers in the second race that has

1106
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: never that have never won an oval race, so they were.

1107
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: Tino finished fourth in both of those races.

1108
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: He's another one, so you know there was there was

1109
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of guys that you know

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01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: you mentioned Lindquist, Uh, there were Rena's VK had a

1111
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: strong car at that point, you know, you had you

1112
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: just had a Rose. Well, let's see who else was

1113
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: in that that other race. Luinguard was was one of

1114
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: his better Oval races.

1115
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, I watched that back. They were nowhere. He

1116
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: just happened to cycle out and hold his position. They

1117
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: were lost last year.

1118
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think that speaks to where he was with

1119
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: OVAL's the last three years. I mean he was He's

1120
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: not had any results to speak up on oval races.

1121
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: So true. So anyway, they still got some work to

1122
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: do that. That's one of the things I want to

1123
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: see this weekend. Where is ray Hall, edtermand Lanigan. They

1124
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: have been better this year. Can they take a step

1125
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: forward to be a little more competitive or is this

1126
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: going to be one of those days where you know,

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Graham ray Hall looks like, yeah, I want to be

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01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 1: anywhere other than here right now. Yeah, that's a good one.

1129
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: You know Connor and Ferrucci and Malucas and Melucas, Yeah,

1130
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: all could potentially win their first race. And don't don't

1131
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: count out Rasmussen and no ease, yep, don't count Kevin

1132
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: Simpson either. I mean that Ganassi car. Those Ganassi cars

1133
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: were pretty good last year. And then we'll keep an

1134
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: eye on Rasmusen watching the races back. He didn't make

1135
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: friends in this race last year. This was his first

1136
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: Oval race outside of the Indianapolis five hundred, and he

1137
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: drew the wrath of Graham ray Hall in that particular

1138
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: race should be a four stopper. We saw five stops

1139
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: in race two. They will need tires before they need fuel.

1140
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know how long they can go on fuel.

1141
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the pits last year, but I don't

1142
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: think we ever got there. They always needed tires before

1143
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: they needed fuel. Last year, the most anybody went was

1144
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: about sixty seven laps plus the pace laps, and then

1145
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: a race two they were going in the low fifties

1146
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: because they were just losing so much time on the track.

1147
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: How about this one, Chad two hundred. Chad Smith had

1148
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: this one on Twitter today along with his notes. When

1149
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: Scott Dixon made his first career start at the mile,

1150
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: he finished third with pac West Racing, So that was

1151
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: probably two thousand and one. One or two these drivers

1152
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: were not yet born Lunenguard, Malucas Kiff and Simpson, Nolan Siegel,

1153
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: Louie Foster, Sting, Ray Rob We got about a fourth

1154
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: of the field were not born when Scott Dixon started

1155
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: settling in on the podium in Milwaukee.

1156
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: And this always comes up and I feel bad bringing

1157
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: it up, but you want to talk about how things

1158
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: change or why things are sometimes different. The four season

1159
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: for Chip Ganassi Racing with the Toyota, Dixon crashed effectively

1160
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: on back to back laps in practice and qualifying and

1161
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: didn't and sat out the race because they were like,

1162
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: we're done. Scott Dixon is crashing twice. I think they

1163
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: were both in turn four as I recall, basically back

1164
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: to back laps, crashed at the end of practice or

1165
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: in practice, and then in qualifying.

1166
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: As I recall, the whole team went home. Yeah, the

1167
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: whole team went home. I can't remember if it was

1168
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: Brisco and Manning, if it was all three of them

1169
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: or just two of them. I think it was Manning

1170
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: and Dixon, Manning.

1171
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 2: And Dixon as I recall. But it was an ugly weekend.

1172
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: It's as ugly for one team, especially a title team.

1173
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 2: Remember they had won the championship the year before with Dixon,

1174
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: so that wasn't like he was on his way up

1175
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 2: in the sport. He was an established at that point

1176
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: and it was a It was a disaster.

1177
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: And what would his consecutive appearance streak be if not

1178
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: for that I know this this will be his three

1179
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty fifth start in a row, so it

1180
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: would be three or four more years beyond that. Yeah,

1181
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think that that's the only race he's

1182
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: ever missed in his life, and he's done more races

1183
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: than anyone ever has, so it would be in the

1184
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: four hundreds for him at this point. So that was

1185
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: one that kind of stuck out for this particular weekend.

1186
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: I think the crowd can be good. I've heard good

1187
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: things about ticket sales. I think it probably helps that

1188
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: it's just one race instead of two. They had the

1189
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: flooding there, that's all sorted and taken care of, so

1190
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: should be a good weekend on that front. Coming up next,

1191
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: want to get into some Alex Plow notes, I know

1192
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: I have those. I'll sneak back at the Twitter box

1193
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: and see what else we need to go to. And

1194
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever really finished the silly

1195
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: season things, so I'll kind of look down at the list.

1196
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing a little more diligence this

1197
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: weekend and getting on the record answers as much as

1198
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: I can from team owners about what seats are open,

1199
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: So we'll kind of talk that through together. Next here

1200
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: on track Side how this is Scott Dixon and you're

1201
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: listening to track Side on ninety three to five and one.

1202
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: I seven five the fan. Okay before we get back

1203
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 1: to silly season, on to sneak back to the xbox.

1204
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Twitter questions at Kevin Lee twenty three at Kurk Cavin

1205
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: Michael Allison asks this, would Alex Pollo be a four

1206
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: time champion if he had gone with Aerol McLaren instead

1207
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: of saying it CGR.

1208
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: I think the answers no, just just because I think

1209
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: the ten Car and the Ganassi operation is pretty deep.

1210
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting thought, as I do think that

1211
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: the question really could be does he have another championship

1212
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: if he hadn't been in the middle of that Errol

1213
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: McLaren Ganassi battle, Because once he got that sort of resolved,

1214
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: he had it pretty get into that season, So it's possible. Hey,

1215
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: one thing, when I have some time going into a race,

1216
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: as I did this particular week, I think my Thursday

1217
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: package of notes has usually come up with some pretty

1218
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: interesting things. Here's one that I think flew under the radar.

1219
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: But this year Alex Polo has become the second winning

1220
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: as driver and Chip Ganassi raising history in the IndyCar Series.

1221
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: Passing.

1222
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: He passed One Montoya, Dario Franketi, and alex Sonarti on

1223
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: the Ganassi list of IndyCar winners. Pretty impressive little list.

1224
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: In his eight wins, he now has nineteen. Of course,

1225
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: he's not probably going to catch Scott Dixon, who's now

1226
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: up to fifty eight with Ganassi. He had the one

1227
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: prior to getting to the Ganassi team. But I thought

1228
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: that was pretty interesting, and we've actually got a couple

1229
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: guys who are the team leaders. Will Power is the

1230
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: all time Penske race winner in Indy Car and Graham

1231
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: ray Hall is the all time winner in ray Hall

1232
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: Letterman Lanigan. Of course those are different kind of numbers,

1233
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: but it is interesting how many those big heavyweights Alex

1234
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: Polo has passed it at Chip Ganassi Racing.

1235
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: I like this stat that Brian Frederick had on Twitter.

1236
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: Alex Polo has averaged forty one point seven to three

1237
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: points per race this season. That's more than the points

1238
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: awarded for second place, which is forty. He's averaging better

1239
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: than second place. Yeah, he's so you're saying he's pretty good.

1240
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: What else Kyle Gregory says, listening to your podcast, Santino

1241
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: was penalized in mid Ohio for running Connor and himself

1242
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: off course. No penalty for turn seven raz into Connor

1243
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: question mark, they call that and Connor doesn't go for it,

1244
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: and turn two and turn ten never happens. I think

1245
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: he's responding because I said they don't seem to penalize

1246
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: people from running around the outside, and that's from Connor

1247
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that on his podcast. So I'm sure there has

1248
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: been a time where they have penalized someone for running

1249
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: someone off the road, but that's all circumstances, but generally

1250
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: they don't. Listening to Hinch and Rossi, whose opinion I

1251
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: respect a little more than mine, they offered the same

1252
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: thing that I was talking about last week, or least

1253
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: I think Hinch did. I can't remember if Rossi is

1254
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: for that or not. I think Rossi is one of

1255
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: those that use that to his advantage over the years.

1256
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: He knows that you just run people wide, you open

1257
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: up your hands, as they say, and you just take

1258
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: your path and you go out there at your own peril. Now,

1259
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: I think I even responded to Kyle on this. He says,

1260
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: if they call that penalty. Turn ten never happens. That's

1261
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: not true. They don't. It's not like a whistle like

1262
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: in basketball. They call that penalty three minutes later. So

1263
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: might have been a good idea to just let that

1264
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: play out. And I think so maybe that position. Now,

1265
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: that's easy for me to say that sitting here at

1266
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: my desk. When you have been aggrieved and feel like

1267
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: you've been aggrieved in this type of circumstance, you're going

1268
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: to get angry. You're going to look for an opportunity.

1269
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: And that opportunity came when Hey, there it is. Let's

1270
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, just take care of it. Now. I think

1271
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: this will be dissected a little bit more on the broadcast.

1272
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: So I want to hear what the racing people have

1273
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: to say. I want to hear what if we hear

1274
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: from Race Control that may have a better explanation to

1275
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: educate us as to why something was not called in

1276
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: this perspective. Want to hear what Christian Rasmussen and Connor

1277
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: Daily have to say after their coffee at job House,

1278
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: which actually that last Wednesday. Yeah, so we'll look for

1279
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: that at a certain point this week.

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Speaker 2: The thing I would add is that typically if something

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01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: happens like that in turn seven. The combatants aren't back

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: together three corners later. Normally it takes a little time

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01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: for that to kind of for the for the mist

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: to boil, and maybe it's the next lap. But the

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: way those two cars came off track and then returned

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 2: to the track, Connor was in a position to make retribution.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's too strong, but he was in

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Speaker 2: position to create another situation. Normally you don't have that

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Speaker 2: chance that quickly. It takes a little wait.

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Speaker 1: Yison Branch says the same thing, and regarding Rasmussen driving

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Speaker 1: Connor up the track, Connor mitched on his podcast that

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Speaker 1: Santino got a penalty for driving Connor up the track

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01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: at midd Ohio inconsistency at best. So I wonder had

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Speaker 1: Connor not come back in and hit Rasmussen in what

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01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: turned two the next lap, and had they not crashed

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Speaker 1: in turn ten, if that had been the only thing,

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01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: maybe raise control does come back. And this is pretty simple,

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: got a lot more complicated when there were three contacts

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Speaker 1: within the same incident in a lap and a half. Yeah,

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: I agree. From Paul J. Ingram fifty six story in

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Speaker 1: the Carmel California Pine Cone on page eleven. Can't believe

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Speaker 1: I missed that a speedway native, Mel Harder is now

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Speaker 1: the GM of weather Tech Raceway. Future interview. Yeah, Mel,

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01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: Mel's I'm happy for Mel, and I did not see him.

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01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: Mel has worked in the IndyCar world. He works with

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: Tony George for a long time. He's worked with Chip

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: Ganassi Racing, He's worked for other teams, has been in

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: the sport. I am excited to hear, so maybe that's

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Speaker 1: a winner conversation. What plans weather Tech Raceway Laguna Seca

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Speaker 1: has did not I saw him from Afar, but did

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Speaker 1: not get a chance to talk to Mel. But he's

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Speaker 1: been a friend for a long time. So I'm happy

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01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: for him and I'm happy for us that someone like

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Speaker 1: Mel is in charge of weather Tech Raceway Laguna Seca.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree import it. That's nothing but a positive.

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: And he's a he's a good friend, and we'll have

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Speaker 2: the chance. Let's keep that on our top of mind.

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: He'd be a good interview because he can speak to

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: a lot of different subjects, including this Alex Pollo run.

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: He has has worked with Alex as well, so that

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Speaker 2: would be that would be relevant, But getting back to

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: race control just for a second. You know, you mentioned

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: that they don't have a whistle where you just can

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: call something bang bang, like a basketball play, and the

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: reason is because they want to look at the replays

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Speaker 2: and they want to look at the onboards, and it

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: sometimes takes maybe it's sixty seconds to a couple of minutes,

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01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 2: but they want they want the stewards to look at

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Speaker 2: it because.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the game is still going on,

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01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: exactly going on.

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Speaker 2: There's no dead ball, so you know, it's not quite

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: as simple as just saying, oh, it looks like driver

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: a ran driver b off the racetrack, because there are

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Speaker 2: always extenuating circumstances and you want to look at that

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01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 2: from for an angles shoot, even the NBA will go

1337
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: to the monitor and look at the four or five

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 2: angles that they have, you know, and that they can

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 2: stop the play. So it just does take time. And

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, there were three contact points in literally

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01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 2: a lap and a little bit, so you know, it's

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: just happens so fast.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Morris twenty twenty seven asked this a few days ago,

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: but it's still relevant. Any rumors as to where will

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: power is going or is he leaving? So that is

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01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: the number one question that we will be talking about

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: until we have some answer. The first thing we need

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01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: to know is is he going to be invited back

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: to Team Penske. You know, he made a mention that

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01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: when someone said asked him in the press conference, do

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: you feel like you're putting things in your own hands again?

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01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: And who's to say they're not? You know, I think

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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: that's just kind of talking. Will would probably admit, yeah,

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01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: I don't really have fully control over this. I think

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: he understands that if there is still a place for

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: him a Team Penskey, that's going to be his best path.

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01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: And then I think he's going to decide what are

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: my options and will I be comfortable with them? And

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01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: one thing I did hear from Connor Daly's podcast with Will,

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01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: which should have thought of a little bit, And one

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 1: thing that his management company can help him with, which

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: Fernando Alonso owns. Will mentioned sportscar racing, more specifically World

1363
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: Endurance Championship. It has become very difficult to get hired

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01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: as a top level driver in IMSA. You can, but

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: unless you've gone up that factory path and been a

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01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: Porsche BMW whatever. It's hard to just say I'm an

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01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: IndyCar driver, I'm here. Used to be easy transition, not

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: so much anymore. I feel like I see more of

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: that in the World Endurance Championship the Path to Lama,

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01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: that we see more big name drivers get opportunities there

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01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: because there are oftentimes three drivers per event rather than

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Speaker 1: just a two. So I think that would make some

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: sense a lot of those that that's one of the

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: options that Calumilot had. Calumilt was weighing a factory paid

1375
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: deal with was with Cadillac. I think it was where

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: Sebastian Boordat is now or coming over and going through

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: the growing process that is Premo racing, and he still

1378
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: wanted to do IndyCar racing. He took this, but I

1379
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: feel like that probably was something that he had to

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01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: do a little think about. So that is a legitimate

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01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: option for Power. Maybe that's the scenario. Maybe he is

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01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: going to be offered a fourth seat for Team Penske.

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: It's a little bit hard. It's not an automatic to

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: say how we are getting to thirty three cars for

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: the Indie five hundred. It is going to happen, but

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: sometimes it takes some work for that to happen. I

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01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: think it's in Team Penske's It's in Penske Entertainment's best

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01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: interests for Team Penske to field a fourth car, especially

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: when it's someone like Willpower. So I would not rule

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01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: that out being sort of a nice going away gift. Hey,

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01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: you're going to do this in World Endurance Championship. Maybe

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01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: they can lead him to Porscha Penske. I don't know

1393
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: those are Porsche guys. Maybe maybe not, but I thought

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01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense on that front. Well.

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: I think seeing him in an inighty five hundred ride

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01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 2: with Team Penske is high on the list of the

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01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 2: possible outcomes here.

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01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: The only thing I would say, and I know he's

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: an Australian born driver, and the only thing I would

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01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,520
Speaker 2: say is does he want you different than Calamilott? A European?

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01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: He's been an American driver here for many years. He's

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01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 2: got a wife from basically Central Indiana. Does he want

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01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: to go have a European schedule?

1405
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that short season though I get it,

1406
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: sixteen races. I think you're just flying away for those

1407
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: weekends and it would still be less work, less time

1408
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: away from home by a lot than an Indy Car schedule.

1409
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: It's not ideal, it's not option one. And while some

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01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: drivers are all about it's only the Indy five hundred,

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01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: real Power can show his strength and skill by running

1412
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: on Rodent street races. He's really good at Indy, but

1413
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: he's really good at Rodent street races, and I think

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01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: he would like to find a full season option to

1415
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: do that, just like Simon Pagano. I don't know if

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01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: Pagano was offered that Indy only type of deal, but

1417
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: he still wanted to be a full time IndyCar driver

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: and that's what he chose. Where could Power go? A

1419
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about Ray Hall, Grim and Lanigan.

1420
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: How does that work with the financials? Would they look

1421
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: at what's deviln di Francesco situation, what's Louis Foster's situation?

1422
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: Multi year contract? Did they take one of these drivers

1423
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: and say, we're going to continue to have them in

1424
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: our family, but we're going to do like Anassi did

1425
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: and farm them out to another team that needs a

1426
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: little bit of budget and a driver. But you somebody's

1427
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: got to pay for it, and they might decide, yeah,

1428
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: if we can get Power. We're just going to create

1429
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: space and we'll figure it out. Honkos, and all of

1430
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: these teams that I'm mentioning, Power has to look at

1431
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: them and where they're at in the standings and say,

1432
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: all right, do I want to do this? Honkos. I

1433
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's locked up there Dale Coin Racing don't

1434
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: think they have two seats locked up there is How

1435
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: are they going to pay him? I don't see that

1436
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: being much of an option. I think they're probably going

1437
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: to try to work to keep rinas VK. That should

1438
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: be a lesser salary than what will Power would command.

1439
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: I think Prema is going to be what they are

1440
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: for next year. The best seat out there was the

1441
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: sixty six for Meyer Shank, and that's now off the market.

1442
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: Marcus Armstrong is driving that car next season unless we

1443
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: get some sort of shock thing, which I don't expect

1444
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,879
Speaker 1: to be. I expect Marcus Erickson in the third Andretti

1445
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: car next year. He's got a contract. I think they're

1446
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: going to fulfill that. He, by the way, was second

1447
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: in the Indy five hundred on the road this year

1448
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and is a good team player. Not all three year

1449
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: drivers can win races all the time. Maybe there's something

1450
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: to be said that you want to have two running

1451
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: for the championship and you want to have a third

1452
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: that contributes in certain ways, is good with all your

1453
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: partners like Marcus is and oh, by the way, has

1454
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: won four races and could have been a three time

1455
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: Indy five hundred winner with a couple of breaks going

1456
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: some different ways. So I don't see anything happening on

1457
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: that front. The other one is the simple trade to Foight,

1458
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: and that's probably going to take Penske paying for that,

1459
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: because I don't see how Foight would have the resources

1460
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: to be able to hire Willpower. Yeah, I think we

1461
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: got I don't.

1462
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: I don't know where I put my money, but I

1463
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 2: think he'll The most logical thing to me is he

1464
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,560
Speaker 2: runs a Team Penske fourth card Indy next year and

1465
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: and he quietly steps aside because none of the others,

1466
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's just had the he's had the

1467
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: perfect sort of walk off. If you can't win the

1468
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: Indy five hundred and the championship in your last year,

1469
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 2: he's gone out on top, and I think he'd be

1470
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: okay with that.

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Fascinating questions once we do not have answers for at

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01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: this point, we'll see what we missed and more next

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01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: on track Side, Hi, this cold heard it and you're

1474
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: listening to Trackside on ninety three to five and one

1475
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: oh seven the final segment. What we missed We miss

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01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: seeing Chip Ganassi Racing testing at the Nashville super Speedway today.

1477
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I think it was just their three cars. So we'll

1478
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: see if that can apply at all to Milwaukee this weekend,

1479
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: and certainly we think it should help. Although remember the

1480
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: only team that tested the head of Portland was Andretti

1481
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: and it did not go well for them entirely. So

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01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: testing is simply that it is testing schedule for the weekend.

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01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: It's two day weekend and it's been flips. So you

1484
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: may see have seen some schedules that had the first

1485
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: IndyCar practice at eight am local nine o'clock Eastern on

1486
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: Saturday morning. That's been switched. I think they realized, wait

1487
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: a minute, why is the top level series cleaning off

1488
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: the track on Saturday morning? That's what the lowest level

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Speaker 1: series has to do. And alas it will be Indy

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01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: next so Jack Harvey and I and Georgia Henneberry will

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01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: be there bright and early eight am on fs T

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Speaker 1: two on Saturday morning. That's Central time, nine o'clock Eastern time.

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01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Then the first IndyCar practice is at eleven Eastern on

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01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,919
Speaker 1: FS one. That's where qualifying will be at two o'clock.

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01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Then Indie next qualifying is back to FS two, and

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01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: then the final practice which includes either high line or

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01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: low line however you want to look at it, at

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01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 1: four thirty Eastern time. Couple of other nuggets. Florida's Logan Sargent,

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Speaker 1: who did parts of a couple of seasons in F one,

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Speaker 1: is going to be racing LMP two here at IMS

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01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: and also Rhode Atlanta with the team that Benjamin Peterson

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01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: is racing four. And the new NASCAR Xfinity Series name

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01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: starting next year is the NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts Series.

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Speaker 1: We're on Tuesday down again next week. We'll see it

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Speaker 1: then