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Speaker 1: So Hamma Nigel show. Hello, my name is Nigel. That

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Speaker 1: is Jason Hammer right over there with a very special

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Speaker 1: guest on the hotline.

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Speaker 2: He's an investigative reporter for the Daily Signal. He is

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Speaker 2: the host of the Tony Kennett Cast, and he was

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Speaker 2: the stunt double in the movie Elf Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kennett joins us, how are you, my friend?

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Speaker 3: I mean, sitting on a throne of lies and smelling

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Speaker 3: of beef and cheese.

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Speaker 4: I suppose, hey, man.

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Speaker 2: This time tomorrow, a couple of big things may be happening.

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Speaker 2: Nige and I may be in a new studio and

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Speaker 2: we may be talking about the results of the Senate vote,

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Speaker 2: the changing of the congressional map here in Indiana. What

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Speaker 2: say you? What do you think we're at with this thing?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd say, first of all, I switched studios before

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Speaker 4: Cool, so glad you guys are getting up to the time.

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Speaker 1: Finally.

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Speaker 3: Second of all, regarding the redistricting, I hope that it happens.

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Speaker 3: I'm skeptical that it will because again you still have

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Speaker 3: Jane Lysing, who like a crazy Alzheimer written old woman going.

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Speaker 3: They contacted my grandson and of course that's not true,

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Speaker 3: but she's still clinging to that because you know, Senile

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Speaker 3: gen state Senator gen Lysing. I used to page for

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Speaker 3: her back when I was in high school.

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Speaker 4: So she's been in the.

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Speaker 3: State Senate a while, and she's voting no on redistricting because,

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Speaker 3: and I kid you not, someone sent out a mass

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Speaker 3: text that included her grandson. She thinks it was personal,

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Speaker 3: even though that's not how that works.

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Speaker 2: It kind of feels like they're reaching for the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the barrel on excuses here, like when bo Hot

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Speaker 2: Chick came out and said, well, I don't like the

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Speaker 2: way Donald Trump called Tim Walls that name. So for

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Speaker 2: that reason, I'm out on something that's going to happen in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Which is even funnier because when you consider that his

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Speaker 3: child isn't actually on the spectrum called like retarded the

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Speaker 3: If they're able to scrounge the boats, it's going to

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Speaker 4: Now again, I.

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Speaker 3: Have yet to hear a good reason as to why

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't. So far, the answers I've heard are it's

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Speaker 3: the timing, which it's not a period. It's like a

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Speaker 3: major redistricting guys come on like relax, So anything else.

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Speaker 2: What happens Tony, If this thing goes the way we

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Speaker 2: the Senate tomorrow, is this thing dead? Is this thing done?

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Speaker 2: What happens at a national level? Are we going to

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, it will have a really rough

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Speaker 4: Greg Abbott of Texas had the stones to.

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Speaker 3: Say, you get back here and pass it, and he

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Speaker 3: through like five special sessions in before they got school

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Speaker 3: choice or redistricting. Is Mike Brown going to get out

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Speaker 3: there and do that. No, I don't think he's going

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Speaker 3: to do that now. I don't really care one way

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Speaker 3: kind of a crazy concept, and it really is wearing.

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Speaker 4: Down their morale.

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Speaker 3: That is the biggest thing I think you'll see a

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Speaker 3: lot of these state senators are no longer running for

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Speaker 3: reelection because no one likes them. The Democrats don't like them,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Walker, in his state Senate seat, has flipped off

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Speaker 3: more people by not listening to them in his own

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Speaker 3: I don't feel bad for him. Is that the end nationally? Well,

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Speaker 3: that actually could make or break the House? So boy,

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Speaker 3: I sure can't wait for a dead screeching out for

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Speaker 4: You be. I.

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Speaker 1: Here's my other question, though, and I do want redistricting

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Speaker 1: redraw the maps, is there any guarantee that those two

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Speaker 3: In fact, here's the funny thing. By cutting up Marion

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Speaker 3: they're already unjerrymandering Marion County anyway, so get over it.

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Speaker 4: But alas in this case.

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Speaker 3: It moderates like four or five very hard leaning Republican districts,

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Speaker 3: governor's race, well then why can't you get it together

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Speaker 4: And pull it off? Are you just admitting you suck

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Speaker 2: One last thing on this before we move on to

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Speaker 2: some national stuff here, one of the things I keep

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Speaker 2: all those rhino Republicans. But Tony, the problem is, like

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Speaker 2: the head of the beast here is Rod Bray, and

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Speaker 2: this dude isn't up for election for another couple of years,

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Speaker 3: So let's take a look at Rod Bray's list of accomplishments. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thanks for that, Dan. He doesn't have anything really that

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Speaker 3: He's just mad and he's made that his personality is

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Speaker 3: So the populace have found this out as well. If

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Speaker 3: how it works. And he's going to learn that lesson

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Speaker 3: because he hasn't provided anything for Indiana and your.

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Speaker 2: Require here, much like your studio, I hated Rod Bray

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Speaker 3: That is rather true back in our WTHR diving.

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Speaker 2: Days, as they say, Tony kennittt with this investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: for the Daily Signal, host of the Tony Kennett Cast

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock right after our show here at WIBC, let's

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Speaker 2: pivot to some national issues here. It seems like Donald

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Speaker 4: For Donald Trump himself?

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Speaker 3: Yes, is an affordability crisis that Donald Trump caused. No,

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Speaker 3: if you don't like that, I'm sorry. The data shows

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Speaker 3: that Trump has done quite a bit to deregulate major

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Speaker 4: The housing crisis. I'm sorry. That ain't Trump's fault.

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Speaker 3: He's tried to deregulate housing, and you have Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 3: builts plumps again, he'll live it in two fancy mansions.

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Speaker 3: But that kind of affordability c that's you know, that's

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Speaker 3: it's kind of the ownership is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: I feel like in Hamer, I'll let you finish the

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Speaker 1: other part of that question, but like, I feel like

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Speaker 1: the word affordability has turned into this buzzword that's only

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Speaker 3: No? It is something that millennials and Gen Z have

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Speaker 3: used to describe how annoyed they are. Yes, that we're

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Speaker 4: I you kids should be like me.

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Speaker 3: I was in a factory and.

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Speaker 4: I bought a home with two Wooden Nichols.

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Speaker 3: And I was fine.

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Speaker 4: And that's not the way.

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Speaker 3: The economy works anymore. And by the way, that is

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Speaker 3: a problem. The idea of getting new people to join

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Speaker 3: the right means that you have to go, why Tragg,

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Speaker 3: just do what I did?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: We didn't just win the Cold War like when you

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Speaker 3: were a kid, Grandpa. Doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 2: But Tony, let me take the other side of this. Here,

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Speaker 2: is this a self induced wound by Donald Trump because

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Speaker 2: much winning, You're gonna crap your pants. The tariffs are

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Speaker 2: gonna bring everybody so much money. I'm gonna be passing

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine Batman movie. Like he promised all of

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Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. And here we are. It's the

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Speaker 2: holiday season. I mean, gas, I guess is down a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but if you ask people who do the

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: And this is again an issue for the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: See all of the tariffs are working. And again when

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Speaker 3: they were voters want them? No, Now, this is the

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Speaker 3: which they're probably going to, then the economy rockets forward

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Speaker 3: If they don't, then the economy recognizes the tariffs are

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Speaker 3: here to stay. It adjusts, and then with the deregulation

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Speaker 1: I will say people that are complaining about the tariffs

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Speaker 3: You own the economy. His own campaign and administration has

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Speaker 3: said we own it at this point. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: can't do it. Remember, right in the first year of

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Speaker 3: of Trump's successes were because of Obama. So we can't

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Speaker 3: mestic cleanup for sure. But yeah, some of his policies

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Speaker 3: have contributed to grocery store prices. That's why they cut

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Speaker 3: the banana tariffs and the coffee tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Tony, which of these things are you more excited for

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Speaker 2: as somebody with a nightly program. Crockett's Senate run or

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Speaker 2: two more years of Jimmy Kimmel on ABC.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would have to start watching Jimmy Kimmel on

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Speaker 3: I have Jasmine Crockett, and boy, when the Tyler Perry

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Speaker 2: One more thing here before we let you go. You

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Speaker 2: sent me a message today about this DOJ Civil Rights

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Speaker 2: Division decision. This is coming from a har meet Dylan,

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Speaker 2: friend of the program. We've had her on the show

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Speaker 2: a couple different times. Walk me through what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: So the DOJ is ending a practice that has screwed

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Speaker 3: over millions of people. Essentially for years, when the Department

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Speaker 3: of Justice would rule on a discrimination case, they would

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Speaker 3: look at this thing called disparate impacts, which means they

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Speaker 3: would say, okay, how many people feel that the person

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Speaker 3: was rarist, and then they would count the nerve hands

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Speaker 3: raised and go, oh, well, then it must be racist.

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Speaker 3: Then they're ending that crap. Just because you go to

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Speaker 3: the DMV and you hated your experience does not mean

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Speaker 3: you were racially discriminated against.

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Speaker 4: It just means the DMV sucks.

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Speaker 3: So what the DJ is now doing is saying, look,

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Speaker 3: you think you are discriminated against, prove it. You're well,

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Speaker 3: I feel it was racist. Is no longer enough. You

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Speaker 3: need to prove it. And that's a very, very big

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Speaker 3: deal because people's lives have been.

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Speaker 4: Ruined over this.

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Speaker 3: Remember the cake baker in Colorado who they harassed continually

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Speaker 3: because he wouldn't bake the gay cake. That era is

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Speaker 3: coming to an end, thank God.

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Speaker 2: I think Harmeiek Dylon does a great job. Like we've

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Speaker 2: been pretty critical of some of the people in leadership

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Speaker 2: positions with the DOJ, you know, Cash Betel. Maybe he's

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Speaker 2: been underwhelming, maybe he hasn't been Pam Bondy, same thing.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like you could you always count on

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Speaker 2: hard meat Dylan to get stuff done.

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Speaker 3: Harmy Dylan was the very first person to reach out

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Speaker 3: to me amid the Indianapolis Public schools scandal and said,

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Speaker 3: and I quote hit them in the knees with a

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Speaker 3: baseball bat. And I did you know, hate the mentor

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Speaker 3: encouragement right there?

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Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, just we got about ninety seconds here,

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Speaker 1: a little bit less. Your take on the conservative infighting

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Speaker 1: on social media, whether it be some of the conservative

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Speaker 1: name you can think of, It seemed like there's some

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Speaker 1: infighting going on right now. I'd like to get your

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Speaker 1: take on that.

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Speaker 3: For everyone who's not habitually on Twitter, it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: It's really overblown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the polling doesn't show it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry Nick Foytsiday's in candas. I have caught

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Speaker 3: them repeatedly using tens of thousands of online bots.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, all right, wow.

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Speaker 1: In terms of like their followers and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh, followers, common engagement, viewer engagement, half of Candace podcast

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Speaker 3: audiences from Africa.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, just the truth.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, there's a chance you could be Indianapolis radio history. Tonight.

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Speaker 2: This may be our last day in this building, Tony,

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Speaker 2: and even though you're not physically in the building, your

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Speaker 2: show would be the last one that airs before we

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Speaker 2: officially switch over to the new radio station building. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I'm a radio nerd. I think that's kind

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Speaker 2: of neat. What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think that I may have already stolen Mike Pence's

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Speaker 3: chair and oh no, no.

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Speaker 2: No, I've hidden it. There's no way I hid that

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Speaker 2: thing in my office. It's coming with me, baby.

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Speaker 4: Congrats guys, Congrats on the move.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up tonight?

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Speaker 3: Oh tonight, we're making fun of Obamacare and we're bringing

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Speaker 3: on one of these people who's going to totally replace

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Speaker 3: it to freaking explain themselves.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kennett cast seven o'clock right after our show ninety

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Speaker 2: three WIBC Tonas. We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 4: Brother, You guys are the best.

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Speaker 2: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.