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Speaker 2: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 2: with us. Again, it's a short week for some folks. Later,

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Speaker 2: the University of Houston's Africana and African American History professor

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Speaker 2: Doctor Horne, as usual, will cover several topics, including US

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Speaker 2: issues in the hell Nations if you opia an aer Tria.

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Speaker 2: But before doctor Horn, poly Scide Professor Marin Orr will

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Speaker 2: preview his compelling book about the late Detroit Congress and

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Speaker 2: Charles Diggs a moment Charilie Baltimore educator Edwin Events will

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Speaker 2: join us. But first of us, get Kevin to opm

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Speaker 2: up these classroom doors. This Monday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Grand Rising, indeed, Coll Nelson Man, It's a week of

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Speaker 3: gratitude and thankfulness and the energy is just like a

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Speaker 3: palpable wave.

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Speaker 1: You can feel it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's sharing their gratitude throughout this week, especially it's the

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Speaker 3: twenty fourth of November, and of course I'm speaking of

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Speaker 3: the holiday Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling, COONL. Nelson.

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Speaker 2: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And we wouldn't expect anything less because as

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Speaker 3: you learn, you share, and that's right. Then that is

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Speaker 3: another thing for us to be thankful for. You know,

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Speaker 3: show like this and the town that you display your

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Speaker 3: talented brother.

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Speaker 2: Man, No, I just opened the doors for all the

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Speaker 2: other talented folks. I don't have the talent of those

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Speaker 2: other people. I don't know half as much as any

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Speaker 3: And humble too. You know, that's a beautiful baby, That's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 3: Look you remember, of course Hubert Gerald Brown, also known

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Speaker 3: Who's Real, who eventually was known as Jamil Abdullah all Aman.

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Speaker 3: He died yesterday at the ripe young age of eighty

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Speaker 3: we're sending out condolence.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, well people say he was wrong and convicted,

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Speaker 2: Al I mean for years and feel that he was

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Speaker 2: what they did to him is he's let him rot

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Speaker 2: so so this is what but saying all of that

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Speaker 2: Me and, as Kevin said, formerly knows h Rap Brown

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Speaker 3: In other news, the administration again denies FEMA disaster relief

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Speaker 1: According to the latter, was insufficient.

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Speaker 1: There were days of that, and some.

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Speaker 3: Lawmakers and FEMA officials have contended that decisions on federal

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Speaker 4: Well you know this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hate to interrupt you, kem oh no,

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Speaker 2: man Donnie requests his meetings, so he could, you know,

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. Because you already talked about

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Speaker 2: It's again he's playing that card, that political card for

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Speaker 1: As they say, it's a mess.

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Speaker 3: Man and the Border Patrol, speaking of National Guard targets

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Speaker 1: That has led to two hundred and fifty arrests.

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Speaker 2: I mean for you for you going with that because

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Speaker 2: listeners listen earlier, like us as well, Kevin. He says,

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Speaker 2: the blue station withholds sending money to the federal government.

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Speaker 2: And that's like Illinois and New York and California. California

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Speaker 1: The if only the Blue states were the ones affect.

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Speaker 2: We're holding no, hold their money instead of sending money,

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Speaker 2: And California is subsidizing many of these red states, including Texas.

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Speaker 2: So what if they we've held their sending money and

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Speaker 2: So we're not gonna send any money in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: We keep the money here in our state capitals and

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Speaker 3: It's they're not just printing money themselves, are they.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying, the federal government prints the money

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Speaker 3: I see it as after a while, it's just going

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Speaker 2: Interesting concept because the Red states have talking they're the

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Speaker 3: Chuck Norris nominated himself to be the King of Texas.

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Speaker 3: When they do that, Chuck, no, nothing stops Chuck on

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Speaker 1: The feast will cost a little less this year.

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Speaker 3: The Thanksgiving meals are being discounted by many many of

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Speaker 3: And so you had to check the list of what stores.

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Speaker 3: Aga'm not going to turn this into a commercial necessarily.

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Speaker 3: It's just that the good news is that the feast

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Speaker 3: blessed Thanksgiving no matter which way you go. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: your time. That's the way it is, Carl on the

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Speaker 3: twenty fourth. Oh and by the way, the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: game was terrific. I'm an Dallas fan. I was hoping

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Speaker 1: You can win.

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Speaker 2: Can so any oh did you hear that what happened?

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Speaker 2: Though supposedly Tom Brady said the N word during the game,

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Speaker 2: I'll posted on Facebook so you can check it out.

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Speaker 2: If he did, let me know if you didn't say

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Speaker 4: That's what they say.

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Speaker 5: Green Rising, Carl, thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I was excited to you.

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Speaker 5: Until I heard that that other gentleman celebrate the Cowboys when.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Acknowledging, you know, because what twenty one to nothing at halftime?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I didn't know what's going on with my

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, put on the tail feathers. Well, goo ahead.

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Speaker 5: We had the ball with three minutes to go. It

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Speaker 2: So I was, oh, man, you can put that in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Arkham's razor right there.

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Speaker 2: But so we talked about Mathough Edward, what's going on

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Speaker 2: After right, hold that all right there ed wet aside

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Speaker 4: It's a boys, all boys school.

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Speaker 2: It's a Baltimore Collegian school for boys under attack for

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Speaker 2: our guest Edwin event from the Baltimore Collegian School for Boys.

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Speaker 2: They having some issues with the Baltimore City Education Department.

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Speaker 5: Sure, So, as I was sharing with your audience, you

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Speaker 7: They take you to a review, look at all your books,

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Speaker 5: In the midst of the pandemic, all of our students

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Speaker 7: Ninety percent as opposed to sixty percent.

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Speaker 5: the finances. It is, you know, a financial challenge to

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Speaker 7: Now, what we have to pay for out of that money.

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Speaker 7: We got to pay all of our salaries of all

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Speaker 7: Plus they're getting their entire allocation where we're opposed at

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Speaker 7: things is going to slip through the cracks, and it

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Speaker 7: puts a ton of pressure on us. And so what

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Speaker 7: begins to happen is, you know, we might build up

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Speaker 7: accounts payables and not have as much cash on hand.

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Speaker 8: And so our.

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Speaker 7: Projection shows that we would have, like at the end

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Speaker 7: of the year, fourteen days cash on end. They want

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Speaker 7: us to have sixty day cash on end, and they

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Speaker 7: want us to do not have negative assets. But it's

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Speaker 7: hard not to have negative assets if you have accounts payable.

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Speaker 7: So those are the things they're putting pressure on us

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Speaker 7: with regard to our finances, even though they're taking more

451
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Speaker 7: than they're necessarily supposed to. So that means we have

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Speaker 7: to go out and raise this money from the community.

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Speaker 7: We got to go to foundations, we got to go

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Speaker 7: to individuals and ask them, will you donate to our

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Speaker 7: school so we can educate these public school children. We're

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Speaker 7: record the traditional schools don't have to do the same thing.

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Speaker 7: And if I don't raise a half a million dollars

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Speaker 7: or more per year, it puts us in this situation

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Speaker 7: where they're threatening us that you know, we can't survive

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Speaker 7: based on our finances, but it's all this pressure on

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Speaker 7: us to have to raise outside money instead of using

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Speaker 7: the actual body that was dedicated for the children that

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Speaker 7: we're educating. And so that puts us in a situation

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Speaker 7: where the CEO has recommended that the school board not

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Speaker 7: approve us. That folk comes up on January fourteenth, so

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Speaker 7: in between that time we have to go present ourselves

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Speaker 7: and defend our case. So in December fourth at five

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Speaker 7: point thirty, there will be a virtual meeting called a

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Speaker 7: work group meeting, where we're meeting with the school board

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Speaker 7: and telling them our story everything that we can tell

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Speaker 7: them within four minutes. And then there's two hearings. One

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Speaker 7: on December December eleven, there is a hearing at North

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Speaker 7: Avenue two hundred East North Avenue in Baltimore at five

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Speaker 7: point thirty from five thirty to seven thirty. We asked

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Speaker 7: the public if they want to testify, they could come

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Speaker 7: down there and testify, but they have to register with

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Speaker 7: the school board between hours of three and five on

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Speaker 7: that day to get on the docket to be able

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Speaker 7: to testify, and they get three minutes. So that's December eleventh,

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Speaker 7: and then again on January eighth, there will also be

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Speaker 7: another two hour hearing. Once again, people have to get

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Speaker 7: down there between three and five and register and then

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Speaker 7: the thing takes place between five thirty and seven thirty

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Speaker 7: and then the vote happens on January to fourteenth, and

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Speaker 7: so in between that time, we're asking everybody to go

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Speaker 7: to our website Baltimore Collegiate dot com backslash Renewal, and

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Speaker 7: on that page it shows everybody how they.

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Speaker 5: Can support us. It puts the names and address mail

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Speaker 5: addresses of all the boards of Commissioners. We ask them

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Speaker 5: to write them emails, write them letters, send them videos,

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Speaker 5: tell them how they feel. We ask people to reach out.

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Speaker 5: They can reach out to the governor. That could reach

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Speaker 5: out to the mayor and let them know how they

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Speaker 5: feel as well. We're asking them to, you know, spread

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Speaker 5: the word to get other people who believe that we

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Speaker 5: should have our own institutions, to educate our boys, to

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Speaker 5: get to make a difference happen in the lives there

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Speaker 5: are our boys. By going to our website and once

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Speaker 5: again ask Baltimore Collegiate. A lot of people have a

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Speaker 5: problem with spelling collegiate, so let me spell that out.

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Speaker 5: CEO L L E G I A T E Baltimorecollegiate

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Speaker 5: dot com backslash renewal and that will have all the

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Speaker 5: information that could go and get that information. And also

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Speaker 5: we ask people to donate. It's a donate button there too.

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Speaker 5: You can click on and donate and help us, you know,

506
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Speaker 5: with our financial situation, so we could build up our funds.

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Speaker 5: But we're we're fighting for the lots of black boys.

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Speaker 5: We're not just going to give up it and let

509
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Speaker 5: them make this vote without them hearing our voice and

510
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Speaker 5: saying to them, is it acceptable that you close the

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Speaker 5: school that gets boys to graduate from high school at

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Speaker 5: a ninety percent rate when your schools are only doing

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Speaker 5: it at a sixty percent rate. Everybody here, let me.

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Speaker 2: Jup me here for a second. There, let me jump

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Speaker 2: here for a second anyway, because a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 2: here we we want to tackle first. You know what

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Speaker 2: you just said, Can you can you put up a

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Speaker 2: flyer and put it in and get social media involved

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Speaker 2: and we'll pass it around and ask people to repost

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Speaker 2: it first. That's first because and you got to look

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Speaker 2: at it. It bigger than Baltimore. Don't don't just think

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Speaker 2: it's just Baltimore. But we got a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: most of our listen and not in Baltimore. Now, they

524
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Speaker 2: were willing to help. And these are people who are

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Speaker 2: willing to help you. So that's the first thing.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: The second is the second be fugging of the financi Oh,

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Speaker 2: ye'll let me go to the finances, because they take

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Speaker 2: they give you seventy five percent of what you give.

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Speaker 2: Is what's a lot? Is correcting I'm saying that. And

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Speaker 2: the question is is it just your school or is

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Speaker 2: it all at the schools?

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Speaker 7: It's all charter schools in Baltimore City. So we actually

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Speaker 7: have a case against that. We have it's fourteen of

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Speaker 7: us charter school members have put up money to get

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Speaker 7: a lawyer to challenge Baltimore City for our money, and

537
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Speaker 7: we were trying to get them to give us the

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Speaker 7: correct amount for the twenty twenty this twenty six school year,

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Speaker 7: twenty five twenties six school year, and so we had

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Speaker 7: hit them last spring with the lass, you know, basically

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Speaker 7: for the lawsuit. But that lawsuit is to be settled

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Speaker 7: with Baltimore, with the State of Maryland's Board of Education.

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Speaker 4: So we challenge hold up the thought, right there?

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Speaker 2: Do you think because you file the lossuit there's some

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Speaker 2: sort of retribution going on here that they say they

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Speaker 2: get rid of you, they also get rid of the lawsuit.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's not just me, it's not just

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Speaker 7: our school. It's like I said, it's about thirteen other

549
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Speaker 7: schools that are challenging them. But you know, I let

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Speaker 7: people make their own assumptions. I'm not going to speak

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Speaker 7: on what I think that they're doing. I just tell

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Speaker 7: the facts and the fact that they had come for us.

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Speaker 7: But we are a part of the group that's challenging

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Speaker 7: them to give us all of our money. Because we

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Speaker 7: do that this could happen. We knew that they would

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Speaker 7: put us in a situation.

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Speaker 2: Here's another fact. There's another fact er in the school.

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Speaker 2: The population of the school across the country has dropped.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out what it is, especially in

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Speaker 2: the public school system every major city, and it dropped.

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Speaker 2: Some people say it's because the ice raids, and some

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Speaker 2: people say it's not that. Some people are saying that

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Speaker 2: then moving their children to private schools. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: how do you see the decline in the school population

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Speaker 2: across the board, not just your school, but all and Balted,

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Speaker 2: but all the other cities as well. They's say the

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Speaker 2: same things. In fact, they're thinking about closing schools or

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Speaker 2: consolidating schools in certain cities.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's happening? You're absolutely right, there is a shrinky

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Speaker 5: school population because the newer generations, the Millennials and gen

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Speaker 5: zas are they're not having as many children, they're.

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Speaker 7: Not getting married as much as they've used to, they're

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Speaker 7: not having as many children, and so as.

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Speaker 5: A result, school districts are beginning to decline. And so

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Speaker 5: when cities like Baltimore, it is a decline.

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Speaker 7: And in a.

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Speaker 5: City that has about seventy two thousand elementary and middle

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Speaker 5: and high school students, the charter schools have about twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two thousand of them. So that has shrunk the

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Speaker 5: traditional population from seventy two to fifty and so they're

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Speaker 5: looking at ways, how do we recoup it. Get some

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Speaker 5: of these students back in our classrooms, and get the

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Speaker 5: dollars from those charter schools back to our schools. And

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Speaker 5: so the way we see it is they target the

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Speaker 5: schools that they feel are the most vulnerable, and those

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Speaker 5: are typically the black run schools. You know, there's only

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Speaker 5: a handful of us that are actually African American run

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Speaker 5: schools that the boards, you know, the people who organize

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Speaker 5: it and run it are African Americans. There are larger

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Speaker 5: organized nations that are primarily you know, organizer run by

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Speaker 5: people who aren't African American, and they have deeper pockets,

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Speaker 5: you know, more resources, and so they don't mess with them.

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Speaker 5: They give them nice five and eight year renewals. But

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Speaker 5: for us that we're always being challenged with three year renewals.

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Speaker 5: And you know, when they go out in the public

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Speaker 5: and this is what they did to us the last time,

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Speaker 5: when they go out in the public and tell them

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Speaker 5: that they're recommending that we be closed, it's not even

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Speaker 5: that the vote has gone down.

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Speaker 7: When you do that.

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Speaker 5: Before the vote happens, you freeze people applying to our school.

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Speaker 5: You also freeze any fundraising that I can do because

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Speaker 5: people think, well, why would I give you any funds

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Speaker 5: because you're going to close, And so's it's like damn

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Speaker 5: if you do, damn if you don't. Because they're saying

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Speaker 5: to me that you have to have more money. As

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Speaker 5: I go out to try to raise more, people say money.

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Speaker 5: People say, I don't know, it looks like you're going

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Speaker 5: to close, so they don't give us some money. Or

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Speaker 5: the other way we get money is by enrollment, and

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Speaker 5: so if people stop applying to our school to enroll

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Speaker 5: their kids, that reduces the money that we can get to. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, they kind of set it up. But technically

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Speaker 5: they're not supposed to tell the community according to their

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Speaker 5: own regulations. They go against their own regulations. Their own

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Speaker 5: regulation says on the CEO's recommendational renewal, only my board,

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Speaker 5: their board, the mayor, and the political the elected representatives

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Speaker 5: of the area where the school is is supposed to

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Speaker 5: be notified, not the press, not my families, not anybody else.

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Speaker 5: But what they do is they announce it to the press.

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Speaker 5: They send a letter to my schools so for us

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Speaker 5: to backpack and send it to the kids' parents. They

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Speaker 5: send an email to the parents. Then they come in

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Speaker 5: our building and they have a meeting to tell our

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Speaker 5: teachers and tell our parents what they're recommending months before

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Speaker 5: the vote. And that's not supposed to happen. Do you

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Speaker 5: think that I just named that they did is only

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Speaker 5: supposed to happen after the movie if they've decided not

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Speaker 5: to renew.

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Speaker 2: Us And a whold U though right there, we got

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Speaker 2: to check the latest news and when we come back

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Speaker 2: Bill in Baltimore. Once you join the Conversation family, you

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Speaker 2: can do the same thing. You can reach us at

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Speaker 2: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight to seventy six

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Speaker 2: ers help the Baltimore Cleinchian School for Boys and we'll

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Speaker 2: take your phone calls after the news this next and

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us

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Speaker 2: the fifteen minutes away from the top of the hour,

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Speaker 2: I guess is Edwin VENTI runs the Baltimore Cletian School

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Speaker 2: for Boys in Baltimore City and under a time from

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Speaker 2: the school board in Baltimore City, and we've got to

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Speaker 2: help them out before we go back to and though

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Speaker 2: we first you've got our frock condolences to the family

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Speaker 2: of Jimminil abdul l men some of the enormous h

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Speaker 2: rap brown He made his transition on Sunday and I

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Speaker 2: can only see this again to his son Kyrie elam In.

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Speaker 2: And if you've listened to this problem. I've heard kay

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Speaker 2: Kyrie's been on here several times. He's an attorney, and

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Speaker 2: also his mom, Karina l Amen also let me just

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Speaker 2: share this. We put them together with Bakari Sellers, also

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Speaker 2: an attorney. You've seen probably seeing Bacary on TV. Bacari's

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Speaker 2: dad Corvis Sellers, and uh uh Kyrie's dad when he

653
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: was ah Rapp Brown, who back in the day, we're

654
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Speaker 2: on the front line fighting for civil rights, back with Snake.

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Speaker 2: So then them two had never met, so we had

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Speaker 2: them on the program, got and put them together.

657
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Speaker 4: Both the terms.

658
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Speaker 2: They had a lot in common with their dad, so

659
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they had. They had a good time, a

660
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: good conversation between both those fellas. But coming up later

661
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Speaker 2: this somemore, we're gonna speak with the University of Houston's

662
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Speaker 2: professor Gerald Horn. Also we're going to speak with an

663
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Speaker 2: attorney of Lucal Science, professor doctor Marion Or. He's reading

664
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Speaker 2: a book about Detroit Congressman Charles Stakes. Those few of

665
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: certain age remember Charles Stakes. He was one of the

666
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Speaker 2: conveners of the Gary, Indiana event the Black Power in

667
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Speaker 2: seventy two, and it's also one of the founding members

668
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Speaker 2: of the Congression Black Caucus late this week, you're gonna

669
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Speaker 2: hear from futuristic researcher brother Cidika McCary, historian uh Michael

670
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: emil Temp is going to be here. Chairman Fred Hampton

671
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: will join us. Also, the Black Voters Matter Group they're

672
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: going to be year as well. So if you are

673
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, keep you reading locked and tight on ten

674
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, you're on

675
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty WL. All right, as I mentioned, the bill

676
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: was holding for us in Baltimore. He's online too, grund

677
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Speaker 2: Rising Bill, you're on with Edwin.

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Speaker 6: Hey, first of call, thank you first opportunity, and thank

679
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 6: you for having a brother. Edwin had been on because

680
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 6: you did a couple of things. First, I want to

681
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 6: invite the people in Baltimore to go visit the school.

682
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I've been at that school many times. In

683
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 6: the atmosphere, man, I mean just unbelievable. So I'm not

684
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 6: asking people to first to go visit, because people could

685
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 6: see see it for themselves. Secondly, I just wanted to

686
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 6: raise the question in terms of that. You know, just

687
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, the Board of Education was

688
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 6: sued saying that there was not educating the children, the

689
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 6: students of Baltimore. So it was a suitor and about

690
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 6: that as well. It was a couple of schools that

691
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 6: had they was forging the attendance of the schools, and

692
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 6: the superintendent signed the leases on her on her way out.

693
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Speaker 6: So I'm kind of dismayed in terms of that. You know,

694
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 6: they could spend its efforts going after a school that's

695
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 6: actually lifting up black boys, uh A, that that's making

696
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 6: a difference in our community, that's making a lot of

697
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 6: us feel good in terms of the atmosphere that is

698
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 6: being created there, in terms of teaching the boys, giving

699
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 6: the boys respecting stuff. And so you know, for the

700
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: Board of Education to spend uh it's time in terms

701
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: of trying to close the school that's actually demonstrating what

702
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 6: they need to demonstrate. With them being suited themselves with

703
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: not educating the students of Baltimore is a double standard

704
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 6: to me. I mean, they need to be trying to

705
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 6: get the schools that they're controlling together because they've been

706
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 6: sued saying that they're not educating the children of Baltimore.

707
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 6: If we're talking about all the public schools that they're

708
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 6: sponse before so you know, to go after seven schools

709
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 6: are just ridiculous and I'm ask the people hey to

710
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: please come out and support this is school. We need

711
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 6: to make sure this school remain open and we need

712
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 6: to show that we unified in terms of standing up

713
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 6: with brother Edwin event and.

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Speaker 2: Bill before you go, let me just let me just

715
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Speaker 2: ask you if you can help because Edwin mentioned certain

716
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: days they're going to have these hearings and the question

717
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: folks should come out. If you could call us and

718
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: let us and remind us because you know, kind of

719
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: crazy around here. Just remind us that when those that

720
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: the other states are coming up, so folks can show

721
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: up because when they see numbers, they'll know that that

722
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: Edwin has supported the black community in Baltimore. And you

723
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: don't have to be in Baltimore. Family, you want to

724
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: support this venture if you're close by you living in

725
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 2: the suburbs, do the same.

726
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Speaker 6: Goad Bill absolutely, and people could go on my page

727
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 6: because I'm going to be listening to them days of

728
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 6: my page as well as on Earth the Heads and

729
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 6: other people's gonna be listening to them them them days.

730
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Speaker 6: But we need a lot of help. Call so you

731
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 6: know we're just asking people a bunch more. Hey, look,

732
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: let's stand up, let's let's let's say that we're not

733
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 6: going to tolerate this here stuff and em gonn close.

734
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Speaker 9: With this call.

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Speaker 6: And this may not have nothing to do with it,

736
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 6: but you know Donald Trump uh said when he hired

737
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 6: his girl to be in charge of the educational system

738
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 6: that you know, basically they want to fade down public education.

739
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: So I'm saying there's a lot of pieces that we

740
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 6: can look at, and they definitely do not want to

741
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 6: educate black boys and not have to be a question

742
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 6: in terms of why do we not want to educate

743
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 6: black children and specially black boys.

744
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a question, but it's on us. As you say, Billy,

745
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: this is where we come on. This is where we

746
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: close the gap. We got to close the gap for

747
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: Edwin and his first school, not for him personally family,

748
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: but for the Baltimore Cleachure School for boys, for the

749
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: black boys in Baltimore City. And you know, some of

750
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: our boys they need that extra help, as he mentioned,

751
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: especially with the testing. Come in the test scores, because

752
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: they're coming in, they're over in a handicapp coming in

753
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: so and and Edwin's school lifts them up. By the

754
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: time they leave there, they equal to any student in

755
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Speaker 2: Eddy city, you know, as far as the grades of concern.

756
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Speaker 4: So yeah, we've got.

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Speaker 10: To feel that we can just speak on terms of

758
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Speaker 10: the suit that's against the board of education and reference

759
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 10: to the I'm not educating the children. Thank you?

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Speaker 4: All right? Thanks Bill? How about that? Edwin?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I you know, once again, there there's that

762
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 5: information is out there in the public with regards to

763
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 5: the challenges from the community, with regards to the suit

764
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 5: that Bill is referring to. I'd be remiss if I

765
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Speaker 5: tried to tell you exactly where people might be able

766
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 5: to find the exact data on the lawsuit against the

767
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: school district. But it's mainly because my mind is preoccupied

768
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: or what's happening with Baltimore co leads to school for

769
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Speaker 5: boys and you know, the things that the boys need.

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Speaker 5: Like I suggested earlier, you know, we definitely need you know,

771
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Speaker 5: financial donations from the community, but we can also use

772
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Speaker 5: time donations because just like I said, a lot of

773
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 5: the boys need additional help with reading, they need additional

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Speaker 5: help with math, and so there may be people who

775
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 5: are home, they may be retired educators who want to

776
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 5: give back. They may be people who just are willing

777
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: to take time out of their day to come in

778
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: and say how can that help, Like with you know,

779
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 5: tutoring boys in math. That would be so helpful because

780
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: that's what they need. They need that additional love and.

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Speaker 2: Support got you eight away from the top. Down Market

782
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: in Baltimore is checking in online. Three Grant Rise and

783
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Speaker 2: Markey on with Edwin event.

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Speaker 11: Hey grand Riding, Hey, Edward, thank you Carl for putting

785
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 11: this out, you know, out in national and edwould make

786
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 11: sure please that when Carl said, let everybody know, all

787
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 11: of his listeners know how that they can send emails

788
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 11: because they're gonna do it, and how they can send

789
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 11: donations to you, because that's how we rolled. But he

790
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 11: and Baltimore, Carl, we had to stand up a few

791
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 11: years ago, a few years ago, like he said, the

792
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 11: CEO is black, a black woman making a half a

793
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 11: million dollars or whatever, just getting ready to leave last time.

794
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 8: All of us.

795
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 11: Stood up because she had to stay here. And the

796
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 11: mayor of Baltimore City said, everybody do what he said.

797
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 11: So he hasn't even been over there, you know, so

798
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 11: we gotta put put it where it's at man. He

799
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 11: was my guest yesterday. And we have several shootings while

800
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 11: we're losing people. We have several shootings yesterday. Mostly we

801
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 11: have two thousand young men murdered in Baltimore City since

802
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 11: twenty fifteen. The number one kill of our young men

803
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 11: is murdered in Baltimore City. And you don't want to

804
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 11: support a boy's school, and they try to do the

805
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 11: Jedi mind trick with the charter schools. Charter schools are

806
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 11: bad and this, that and the other. They free preach

807
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 11: o the schools and like Bill said, really helping out

808
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 11: our young boys.

809
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 12: Here.

810
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 11: It's a beautiful atmosphere. And not only that car they have,

811
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 11: they wear tithes and all that kind of stuff. So

812
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 11: everybody looked like us. That's against Edwin and people like that,

813
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 11: and it's ridiculous.

814
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 7: Mayor four one.

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Speaker 11: Oh three nine six forty nine hundred four one oh

816
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 11: three nine sick forty nine hundred he say everybody do

817
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 11: what he say, so tell Sandalis's the back off.

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00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you, Mark. And you know, if somebody knows

819
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: somebody who knows somebody who knows the mayor and the

820
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: government for that matter, so please let them get involved

821
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: in this, and so let's save the school for black boys.

822
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: I mean it should be a pride thing at least that,

823
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, if they should be saying what you guys.

824
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 4: Need, we need your school.

825
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: It's permanent to the school be in Baltimore helping black boys.

826
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 2: Whatever you need, we're gonna help you, instead of trying

827
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: to find ways to eliminate because it seems this is

828
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: what they do and they're trying to nitpick and found

829
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: a way, well, figure out some way not not to

830
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: have you guys, you know, operating helping our young black boys.

831
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: I maybe out I may be wrong on saying that,

832
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: but I think they should be more overtly going bending

833
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: over backwards more than anything else, trying to help you

834
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: guys and make sure that the school stays open open

835
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: for black boys, so that if they want to look

836
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: at it in the longest form, just like Mark said,

837
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: with what's going on with the crime and these young boys,

838
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 2: at least they're not out, you know, trying to become

839
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: squeeche boys or something like that and later on going

840
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: down the wrong path. They're in school trying to get

841
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: an education. So they should be fully supporting this and

842
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm appealing just to all our listeners, not just in Baltimore,

843
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: wherever you can hear us before Edwin Lee is going

844
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 2: to give us a whole information, especially for donations, because

845
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: I understand when they talk about they're going to close

846
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: the school, people don't want to donate because they're maybe

847
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: they're thrown away their money. They don't want to register

848
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: their children because they figure the school is going to

849
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: be closed. So that's that's that's wrong. That's a no no,

850
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: that's a violation that should be stopped right away. But

851
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: let me ask you this though. Did you have an

852
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: attorney working with you or can you get some some

853
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: people to do some And there's another issue here because

854
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: if you don't, we should have some some of some

855
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: legal scholars and even going to law school who can

856
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: help you do some pro boner work for your helping

857
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: with this issue.

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00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 7: And do you have any Yeah, well, actually on my board,

859
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 7: I have a couple of attorneys on our on our

860
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 7: own board who you know, wait and and help us.

861
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 7: But then there's some like I have kind of reached

862
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 7: out to a lawyer or to to look in this

863
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 7: particular instance where they're going against their own regulation with

864
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 7: regards to notification and telling the community and telling people

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00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 7: other than who they were supposed to tell the recommendations to,

866
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 7: because to me that that causes damage. It caused damage

867
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 7: the last time, it will cause damage this time as well.

868
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 7: And so that's something that I am looking into to

869
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 7: see if I can get help. But I'm always open

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00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 7: to more help. But it's there's a challenge. If we

871
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 7: have to hire the lawyers, it makes it much more

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Speaker 7: challenging just because our budget is that tight. And so,

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Speaker 7: you know, if there are any listeners out there willing to,

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Speaker 7: you know, take a look at what, you know, what

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Speaker 7: we're dealing with, particularly with regards to whether or not

876
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Speaker 7: the city is following their own regulations and what our recourses,

877
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Speaker 7: that would be extremely helpful. And people can give me

878
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Speaker 7: a call at our school at four four three six

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Speaker 7: four two five three two zero once again that's four

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Speaker 7: four three six four two five three two zero, and

881
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Speaker 7: then they can go to our website again at Baltimore

882
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Speaker 7: Collegiate dot com backslash renewal Baltimore Collegiate and Collegiate is

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Speaker 7: c O L L E G I A T E.

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Speaker 7: Baltimore Collegiate dot com backslash renewal. And on that page

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Speaker 7: it has all of the information that people will need

886
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 7: to know, how to communicate with the Board of Education,

887
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 7: how to reach the mayor, how to reach the governor.

888
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 7: Will have templatoon there from letters. If people need to

889
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 7: get a framework on how to write a letter, it'll

890
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Speaker 7: happen right now.

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Speaker 2: Hold up thought right there, I'm just looking at the clock, Edwin.

892
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Speaker 2: We got to check the trafficking weather a different since

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Speaker 2: when we come back, I'll let you give all that

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00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: information again. Family, you two can check in with us

895
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Speaker 2: and join this conversation. Edwin event from the Baltimore Clechian

896
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Speaker 2: School for Boys. They're trying to close down that school

897
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Speaker 2: and we've got to help him. We can reach us

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Speaker 2: at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Weal ticket phone calls after the trafficking weather together this

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Speaker 2: next and grand rising family, and thanks for starting your

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Speaker 2: week with us. Three after the top that with our guest,

902
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Speaker 2: Edwin Avon. Edwin's from the Baltimore Cleechire School for Boys.

903
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Speaker 2: Ma'ma tell you we're going to speak with doctor Ors

904
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Speaker 2: has written a book about Charles Diggs. But let's finish

905
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Speaker 2: up with Edwin. Edwin, before you give out that information again,

906
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Speaker 2: Alex has drawing us from alexandres online. Two grand rising, Alex,

907
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Speaker 2: you're honored with Edwin event.

908
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Speaker 13: The toy, Can you hear me?

909
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Speaker 4: Sure? Go ahead?

910
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Speaker 8: Hello?

911
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 13: Okay, Yes, My question to your guests is why he's

912
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 13: not really telling the truth about the funding for the schools.

913
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 13: If you do your research and you should know as

914
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Speaker 13: an educator that it's the Democratic Party that's blocking the

915
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Speaker 13: funding for both public and charter schools, you need to

916
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 13: speak about that. Donald Trump has nothing to do with

917
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 13: as far as the funding for the schools. It's a

918
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Speaker 13: Democratic Congress that that blocked forty six million, and they

919
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Speaker 13: also blocked the number ten million for chartered schools.

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Speaker 2: All Right, before I let him respond, Alex, let me

921
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: challenge you. I regardless who's blocking the funds, I want

922
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: you to help this school and all your Republican friends

923
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Speaker 2: will take that money as well.

924
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Speaker 4: Okay, but I thank you for.

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Speaker 10: Well the funding. The funding is there.

926
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Speaker 13: This is what I want to tell the public is there.

927
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Speaker 13: It's the Democratic Party that's blocking.

928
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Speaker 2: Who's but Alex, Alex, Alex, we don't care who's blocking.

929
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Speaker 2: We want you to help. You see there's somebody blocking

930
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Speaker 2: it could be it doesn't matter who's blocking it's being blocked.

931
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Speaker 4: Alex, what.

932
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: Kevin da Alex because he doesn't understand what's trying to

933
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Speaker 2: have people there. We don't care whether who's blocked. We

934
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Speaker 2: just care who's blocking it's being blocked. Let's help the students.

935
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Speaker 2: The students is what's concerned. Not Democrats, Republicans, now Giants fans,

936
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: now Yankee fans, not Lake of fans. It's who's blocking it.

937
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: We need to help them. It doesn't matter who's that

938
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Speaker 2: take off, All right, go ahead.

939
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Speaker 5: Edward responds, Alex, this is Edwin Avans from Baltimore. Could

940
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Speaker 5: be just group of boys. What you're saying has absolutely

941
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Speaker 5: nothing to do with what I'm dealing with. And like

942
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: Carl suggested to you, and like I asked, go to

943
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Speaker 5: my website Baltimore Collegiate dot com and you can click

944
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 5: on donate, and you too, you can donate to the school.

945
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 5: This this has nothing to do with the Republicans. And

946
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Speaker 5: nobody even on this show talked about Republicans blocking the money.

947
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Speaker 5: Nobody talked about that. We're talking about what's going on

948
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Speaker 5: with Baltimore Collegiate Schoup for boys. So thank you very much.

949
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 5: But you can donate and everybody else listening can donate

950
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 5: at Baltimore Collegiate dot com. Thank you.

951
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

952
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: And the problem is that, you know, just just help

953
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: the students. Man, it doesn't matter who who's blocking. That's

954
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: not what we're discussing right now. So you always get

955
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: involved and put on these politicals. We don't want to

956
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: go there because it's just a waste of time because

957
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Speaker 2: folks already understand what we're talking about. Really, it's just

958
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: the waste of time arguing whether Democrat or Republicans. Oh,

959
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: good goodness. Yeah, you know, some people it's funny, weal

960
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: because we talk about this as a class and we're learning.

961
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Speaker 2: Some people just just the message just passes them every day.

962
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: They just don't get it. The mind just don't closed.

963
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: They just don't get it. We're trying to help some

964
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Speaker 2: black boys. I don't even care what school it is.

965
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Speaker 2: If you just care about our people, it is. If

966
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: you just care about our people, this is a black

967
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 2: school that needs help in Baltimore City. It's a black

968
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: school with black boys teaching black boys. It could be

969
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: it could be in tim Book two if that's the

970
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: way you think we need to help each other, because

971
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: nobody else is going to do it. Whether you're Republican

972
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: or Democrats, we're not or as I mentioned, lak of

973
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: fans and giant fans. It doesn't matter. This help some

974
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: black boys here. This is what we do it. So

975
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Speaker 2: Edwin give us the information how we can help you.

976
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 7: Once again, if everyone can go to our website at

977
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 7: Baltimore Collegiate dot com, backslash renewal, Baltimore Collegiate dot com,

978
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 7: dot dot org dot com, Baltimore Collegiate dot com backslash renewal.

979
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 7: Once you get on that page, it gives you all

980
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 7: the ways that.

981
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 5: You can help us. You can. It has the names

982
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: and numbers or the names and email addresses of all

983
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 5: the members of the school board. Will have the name,

984
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 5: you know, the information to reach the mayor, the governor.

985
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 5: We have templates of letters that people can use. We

986
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 5: have backdrops that they can put on their if they

987
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: go on a zoom meeting or something like that to

988
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: watch the hearings, we ask them that they download our

989
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 5: backdrop and put that on and so that we have

990
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 5: a sea of people with our backdrop on there. We

991
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 5: want you to write, We want you to email, we

992
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 5: want you to send videos. We post. If you see

993
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: our information online or in social media, we post it,

994
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 5: so that's your community sees it as well. But we

995
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 5: just want to overwhelm the you know, our mayor, our city,

996
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 5: our city council, our state delegates. We want to overwhelm

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00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: them with the you know voices being heard that we.

998
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 7: Want the school.

999
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 5: The school who's graduates are graduating from high school at

1000
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 5: a ninety plus percent rate and going off to college.

1001
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 5: We want the school to exist because we are the bridge.

1002
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 5: We're the bridge from that third grade for them to

1003
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: get to high school. And a lot of these boys

1004
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: are lost in that space of time, be from that

1005
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 5: third grade to eighth grade. If they can.

1006
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 7: Never learn how to read and do maths, they give

1007
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 7: up and they drop out. And so we're the bridge

1008
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 7: that keeps them focused, helps them get their skills up,

1009
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 7: and by the time they leave us, they can actually

1010
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 7: hang in high school and graduate at a higher percentage

1011
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 7: than the city. And so that's what we're focused on.

1012
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 7: Between test scores and everything like that. You know, we

1013
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 7: typically don't do extremely well on these standardized tests, but

1014
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 7: that's not the end all be all when it comes

1015
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 7: to the success of the individuals, it's the determination, it's

1016
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 7: the grit, it is the structure that we give them,

1017
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 7: the discipline. These are the things that we're giving them

1018
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 7: in our school. Plus we love on them. We let

1019
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 7: them know that, hey, young man, you're intelligent. Don't let

1020
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 7: anybody tell you you're not. And we help them develop that.

1021
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 7: And so that's what makes us different.

1022
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 5: And appeal appeal to editing true as well.

1023
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: Get the law enforcement agencies too, because makes it job

1024
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: easier if these boys are in school, they're not on

1025
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: the street doing things they shouldn't be doing. They're not

1026
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: squeezing kids hustling on the street. Makes their job a

1027
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: lot easier if they're in classes. So please reach out

1028
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: to the law enforcement of the police officials and county

1029
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: officials as well, you know, to help you on this

1030
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: because they they should have a voice in this. Because

1031
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: because it's tax pays money all around that's being spent.

1032
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: And this is an issue about voting, you know, going

1033
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: back to what alex and Alexander was talking about voting

1034
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: Democrats and republic But it goes back to voting again.

1035
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it does.

1036
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 7: It does.

1037
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Speaker 4: So ed when it give us again. How can folks

1038
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: reach you real quick?

1039
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's They could call us at four four

1040
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 7: three six four to two five three two zero once

1041
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 7: again four four three six four two five three two

1042
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 7: zero and they can ask for me edwin event or

1043
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 7: they can go to our website at ball to more

1044
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 7: collegiate dot com backslash renewal, and there they can find

1045
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 7: all the information that they need to help us to

1046
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 7: do and to be in this fight with us once again.

1047
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 7: The dates that are coming up December fourth, five thirty pm,

1048
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 7: we will be on defending ourselves. There will be a

1049
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 7: link to the website where the where this hearing will

1050
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 7: take place on our website, but more importantly on the

1051
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 7: Baltimore City Public Schools website. They will have a link

1052
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 7: to that meeting on December fourth. Then on December eleventh,

1053
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 7: we have hearings at five thirty to seven thirty. If

1054
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 7: people want to testify, they have to register on that

1055
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 7: day between three o'clock and five o'clock PM to register

1056
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 7: and support us. And then again on January eighth, there

1057
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 7: is another hearing, another two hour hearing. Once again, people

1058
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 7: register from three o'clock to five o'clock on that day.

1059
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Speaker 7: Those hearings will be at two hundred East North Avenue,

1060
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 7: the headquarters of Baltimore City Public Schools will be there.

1061
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 7: We'll have our families. There are boys there and we're

1062
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 7: asking the community to come out there. But in the meantime,

1063
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 7: making as much noise as you can, reaching out to

1064
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 7: that border commissioners, reaching out to our mayor, our governor,

1065
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 7: letting them know that a school like this is super important.

1066
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 7: I know I believe in my heart and I'm a

1067
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 7: praying man.

1068
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 5: So I've already prayed on and claimed the victory. But

1069
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 5: now we need to do the work. And so we

1070
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 5: really appreciate all the support of everybody all across the

1071
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 5: country who can help us. Everybody across the country to donate.

1072
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 5: Everybody across the country can write an email. So we

1073
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 5: appreciate Brother's insistant all over the country.

1074
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: Anybody who believes in educational Black boys matter, please join

1075
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: this event for us and help the school, the Baltimore

1076
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: Cleature School for Boys, Edwin. Thank you and thank you

1077
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: and keep us in the loop.

1078
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Carl, I truly appreciate you. You

1079
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 7: have a blessed day, my brother.

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Speaker 2: All right, same to you twelve after the top hour

1081
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: and let's move on now family. Next time guest is

1082
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: a doctor Marion Orr, doctor or grand Rising. Welcome to

1083
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: the program.

1084
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 7: Good morning, Good morning, thanks for having me in. Good

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Speaker 7: morning to all your listeners out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a ritual here for our first time.

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Speaker 2: I guess so we'd like to hear a little bit

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Speaker 2: about you. How did you get to where you are

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Well, listen. I'm a product of Savannah State College.

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Speaker 7: I was born and raised in Savannah, Georgia, working class

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Speaker 7: parents and a commuter to college there in Savannah State

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00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 7: now called Savannah State University a call there. I studied

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Speaker 7: political science as an undergraduate student, Carl. I was taught

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Speaker 7: by one of the most brilliant political sciences in the

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Speaker 7: country at the time. His name was Haynes Walton, Junior

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Speaker 7: Haines like the T shirt maker, his last name was

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 7: Walton and doctor Walton taught political science as Savannah State

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Speaker 7: for about twenty five years of nineteen six nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 7: and I learned from him, and that's what I continue

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Speaker 7: to go on and earn. My THHD at the University

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Speaker 7: of Maryland College Park in political science so that's how

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Speaker 7: I got my start. I taught at Duke and now

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Speaker 7: I've been at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island. Carl

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 7: for the past twenty five, almost twenty six years.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Interested in the Ivy League school Any difference around the

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Speaker 2: Ivy League than the other schools that you taught at.

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Speaker 7: Well, I taught that Duke before I came up here,

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00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 7: and there's a slight, slight, slight difference. It's a very

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Speaker 7: interesting environment and one which I've worked really hard to

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Speaker 7: thrive in. In terms of an academic researcher, I must

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Speaker 7: say this's the students here at Brown are very wonderfully

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Speaker 7: young people. It's been an honor and pleasure to tc.

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Speaker 2: Sell folk all right, fourteen after top Now you've written

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Speaker 2: several books, but decided a book do a book on

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Speaker 2: Charles A.

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Speaker 4: Line.

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Speaker 7: Well, Carl, I learned about Congressman Charles C. Diggs Junior

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Speaker 7: down at Savannah State Professor Walton Haynes Walton Jr. Who

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Speaker 7: was a brilliant political scientist. Professor Walton, by the way,

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 7: Carl literally created the sub field of black politics in

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Speaker 7: American political science. He created the study of our politics.

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Speaker 7: He was a key architect, and I was blessed Carl

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Speaker 7: to be under his tutelage for a number of years.

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Speaker 7: He remained my friend until he passed away in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 7: I'm just honored to put his name out there to

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Speaker 7: your listeners. And in the courses that professor taught Professor

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Speaker 7: Walton taught down at Savannah State, Charles Diggs came up

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Speaker 7: often Walton taught in any other courses there. He was

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Speaker 7: a small teaching school at the Savannah State. For example, Carl,

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Speaker 7: when Professor Walton taught American politics, he would teach his

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Speaker 7: students about the presidency and the critical role that the

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Speaker 7: president played Article one of our Constitution. He would talk

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Speaker 7: about the Supreme Court and how the Court supposed to

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Speaker 7: rule over these trials that come before them. And then

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Speaker 7: he would talk about the legislature, the Congress, and there

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Speaker 7: he would tell us about Charles Diggs Junior and the

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Speaker 7: fact that Charles Diggs Junior was the founder, the founder

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Speaker 7: of the Congressional Black Caucus. So he would come up

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Speaker 7: in that course. When Professor Walton taught urban politics course

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Speaker 7: on cities, Diggs would come up in that course. Because

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Speaker 7: Walton was very careful to teach his students that Washington,

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Speaker 7: d C. A major city, was a unique city, and

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Speaker 7: he would tell us for his own ample that Charles

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01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 7: Diggs Junior was the father of home rule for Washington, DC.

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Speaker 7: So he would come up in Professor Walton's urban politics classes.

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Speaker 7: And then finally, when Professor Walton taught a course on

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Speaker 7: African politics, which I took from him, Bigs would come

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Speaker 7: up in that that course, Carl, because Diggs. A few

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Speaker 7: people may not realize this, but Diggs was the leader

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Speaker 7: of the American anti part time movement in this country.

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Speaker 7: In fact, you could argue that the American anti a

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Speaker 7: part time movement literally started in Congressman Diggs a congressional office.

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Speaker 7: So I learned about him an undergraduate school, Carl. I'd

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Speaker 7: go on to the University of Maryland to study political

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01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 7: science to earn a PhD. And I still learn more

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Speaker 7: about Diggs. And after being a professor for many years,

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Speaker 7: I discovered that no one, no one had written a

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Speaker 7: book on this remarkable American leader, whom I have learned

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Speaker 7: about since I was seventeen eighteen years old, So about

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Speaker 7: ten eleven years ago, I decided to take the plunge

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Speaker 7: and to write this book called the House of Diggs.

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Speaker 7: It is the first biography, a comprehensive biography of Congressman Diggs.

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Speaker 2: Hold that though right there I step aside for a

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Speaker 2: few moments, and of course the Congressman Diggs was instrumental

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Speaker 2: and steading of the Black Power Conference in Gary, Indiana

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Speaker 2: in seventy two.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was looking for.

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Speaker 2: Family, you want to join our conversation with our guest,

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Speaker 2: doctor Orr. He's written a book called The House of

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Speaker 2: Diggs's about Detroit Conshman Charles Diggs. Reach out to us

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Speaker 2: at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 2: six and we'll take your phone calls next and grand

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Speaker 2: Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us again.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's Professor Marion Orr. Dr Or teaches of

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Speaker 2: Brown University in rhode On, and he's also written a

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Speaker 2: book about Charles Diggs, Congressman Charles Digs, who represented Detroit. Professor,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you this when I heard about this

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Speaker 2: book and I was thinking and some of the things

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Speaker 2: you mentioned that the Congressman Diggs, did you know founding

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Speaker 2: a Congression Black Caucus, what he did against the Ponte

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Speaker 2: South Africa, the seventy two Black Powamade and Gary. I

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Speaker 2: was trying to think of a comparison, any person, whether

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Speaker 2: it be in the Caucus or just outside the caucas

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Speaker 2: who could compare what Diggs did. They all came up short.

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Speaker 2: They all paled in comparison. Could you find it? Do

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Speaker 2: you know anyone right now on the scene that you

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Speaker 2: could compare with Congressman Diggs?

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Speaker 7: Well, Carl, let me guess say. I subtitled the book.

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Speaker 7: The book is called House of Biggs, and it's subtitle

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Speaker 7: The Rise and Fall of America's most consequential Black Congressman

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Speaker 7: Charles C. Diggs, Junior. When I went through the archives

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Speaker 7: down to Howard University, and I visited other HARP archives

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Speaker 7: around the country, interviewed many people who knew Congressman Digs,

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Speaker 7: including members of the Congress who served with him. I

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Speaker 7: just came away with the conclusion that of all the

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Speaker 7: men and women Black men and women who served in

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Speaker 7: the US Congress, this guy just ranked very high. In fact,

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Speaker 7: he could very well be the most consequential. Let me

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Speaker 7: guess at this. When you examined the record of Diggs

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Speaker 7: and look at the other members of Congress, white, black, liberal, conservative,

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Speaker 7: Republican and Democrat. This guy would rank high on anyone's

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Speaker 7: a measure. He was a very serious congress member, a

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Speaker 7: policy oriented congress member who really tried hard to get

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Speaker 7: things done. So, to answer your question, no, there's very

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Speaker 7: few that can stand next to this guy in terms

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Speaker 7: of the kinds of tangible, tangible accomplishments.

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Speaker 2: And having said that, though, professor, is it is it

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Speaker 2: because the generational thing is because what was going on

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Speaker 2: back then is compared to what's going on now.

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Speaker 7: Well, that could be the case. But also again the

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 7: sort of legacy that that that he left that we

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Speaker 7: typically don't recognize. For example, if you fly in in

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Speaker 7: the airplanes these days, you probably don't realize that Diggs

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Speaker 7: played a major role in desegregating commercial commercial air travel,

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Speaker 7: both down at the airport terminal level and in terms

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Speaker 7: of employment. Uh So, his legacy is just so strong.

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Speaker 7: You mentioned you mentioned, for example, the anti part time movement.

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Speaker 7: There his legacy again still very strong. We could lay

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Speaker 7: for example, the election of Nelson Mandela to some extent

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 7: to Digg's row in Congress. It could very well have

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Speaker 7: been part of the times, but it's also the tangible,

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 7: tangible legacy that this leader left behind.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes of the top of our family. Just

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01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: checking in our guess if professor or Marion or teachers

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Speaker 2: of Brown University has written a book about Charles Diggs

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Speaker 2: called The House of Diggs and interesting, you got a

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Speaker 2: question reach out to us at eight hundred and four

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy six. Now in the book

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Speaker 2: you mentioned that the Diggs got a trainload of Detroit's

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Speaker 2: to come to DC to watch him being sworn in.

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Speaker 4: What was behind that?

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Speaker 7: Well, it really goes to the extent back to his

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Speaker 7: upbringing in Detroit. Diggs was born in nineteen twenty two.

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Speaker 7: He was the son of the Great Mike Grayson. His parents,

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Speaker 7: his father, Charles Diggs Senior, moved to Detroit from Mississippi

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 7: and his mother many Digs, came to Detroit from Tennessee

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 7: doing the Great Migration, and so the parents Carl would

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Speaker 7: form a very prosperous funeral home called the House of Dicks.

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Speaker 7: And the House of Digg's funeral home in Detroit was

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Speaker 7: the leading black funeral parlor if you will, in the

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Speaker 7: city in the fifties and sixty if you were black

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01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 7: and died in Detroit, you were highly likely to be

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Speaker 7: buried by the Bigs family. So it became very very

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Speaker 7: well known, very prosperous. If you will, the father, Carl

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 7: will parlay the success of the funeral home into electoral

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01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 7: politics and would win office. He would win a state

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Speaker 7: Senate seat in Michigan, in fact, becoming in nineteen thirty six,

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Speaker 7: the first black Democrat elected to the Michigan State Senate.

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Speaker 7: So the father was very, very popular, very civic minded,

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 7: a big important leader in Detroit in Michigan quite frankly

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01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 7: from the thirties until the nineteen sixties. It was the

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 7: father's idea. The father's idea Carl, once his son got

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Speaker 7: elected in nineteen fifty four, to organize this train ride

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Speaker 7: where he would bring more than four hundred largely black

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Speaker 7: Americans from Detroit to Washington, d c. In January of

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Speaker 7: nineteen fifty five for them to witness the swearing in

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Speaker 7: of Michigan's first black congress member. The Diggs family was

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Speaker 7: very very close to the Detroit black community. They were

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Speaker 7: well like. The funeral home was an institution in Detroit.

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Speaker 7: In fact, the funeral home sponsored a radio program that

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Speaker 7: Congressman Diggs hosted every Sunday. They also sponsored charitable charitable events.

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Speaker 7: They sponsored a little league baseball and softball and basketball.

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Speaker 7: They were very supportive of the black community, and the

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Speaker 7: black community loved the Diggs family because they were really

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 7: good people. So the BIG's father, Carl, wanted Black Detroit

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Speaker 7: to be a part of the celebration of the election

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01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 7: of his son of Michigan's first black congress member, and

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 7: so the father organized as train ride and they drove

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01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 7: rode the train from Detroit overnight to the swearing and

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 7: ceremony the next morning down in Washington, d C. It

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 7: was a wonderful scene. I enjoyed writing about that because,

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 7: you know, can you imagine seeing all these black folk,

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 7: you know, first of all organizing themselves at the Michigan

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 7: train station and then landing down and Union Station in Washington, DC.

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 7: It was a real scene and one that many people

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01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 7: wrote about later on.

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01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a visual on that's just an outstanding thank you,

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: Yes family.

1281
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 4: Just checking in.

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: Professor Marion Ors, I guess the teachers of Brown University

1283
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: is a police SCIA professor has reading a book about

1284
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: Charles Diggs. And if you don't know about Charle's Big Diggs,

1285
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: you should He's touched so many of us in different ways.

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight to

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: seventy six. Bobs calling from Buffalo, has a question for you.

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 2: Is online one grand rising Bobby on the professor Orr, Yes.

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Speaker 14: Sir, blessed love, Thank you doctor professor for your research

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 14: for brother Diggs. I ran into him in seventy two

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 14: at the Gary Convention, Gary National Black Political Convention, and

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 14: I thank him for being one of the co conveners

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 14: of the convention. There was a point when there was

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 14: a voice vote token and he miscalled the voice vote,

1295
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 14: and the body got highly upset and they went to

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Speaker 14: executive session and they came back. Barker Mary Baraka took

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Speaker 14: the lead. I was wondering if you could mention about

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Speaker 14: the Gary convention. Excuse me, And no one wants to

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Speaker 14: be known for their any mistakes or any mistakes they

1300
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 14: may have made. But how would you compare Diggs to

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Speaker 14: Adam Clinton Powell and his power or in his work

1302
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 14: in the Congress.

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, so that's the cool question, sir.

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01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 7: You know, listen, thank you for your for your question.

1305
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

1306
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,879
Speaker 7: Diggs played a major role at the National Black Political

1307
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 7: Invention in nineteen seventy too. Let me add I don't

1308
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 7: think that convention would have occurred had it not been

1309
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 7: for Congressman Diggs, because many of his colleagues in the

1310
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 7: Congression of Black caucuss was very little being connected with

1311
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 7: the black militants and black radicals like a mirror of Baraka. Baraka,

1312
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 7: as you may recall, was not only talking about holding

1313
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 7: this convention, but he also was pushing for a Black

1314
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 7: political party. So all of our black leaders were Democrats.

1315
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 7: So there was real reluctance, real reluctance on behalf of

1316
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 7: many of the Congressional Black Caucus members, and they were

1317
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 7: about thirteen or so members at that point to be

1318
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 7: involved in the convention. But listen, you really could not

1319
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 7: have a Black political convention in nineteen seventy two and

1320
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 7: not have the Congressional Black Caucus involved in it, because

1321
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 7: the Caucus at that particular moment was really the symbol,

1322
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 7: if you will, of black politics Diggs. Diggs was a

1323
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 7: very strategic political leader who really tried to work with

1324
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 7: a bronx rectum of Americans. He firmly believed that as

1325
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 7: a racial minority and as a numerical minority in particular,

1326
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,879
Speaker 7: that Black Americans had to have a broad coalition of support.

1327
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 7: Hints Diggs was willing to work for black radicals and

1328
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 7: let's say black conservatives like William Dawson, the Congressman from

1329
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,480
Speaker 7: Chicago who served from nineteen forty three until early nineteen seventies.

1330
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 7: So at the convention, Diggs plays a big role because

1331
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 7: he's really bringing in the caucas and other elected officials

1332
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 7: at the time. So he plays a very very important role.

1333
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 7: I write about the scene that you mentioned, brother, when

1334
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,879
Speaker 7: he makes the back call at I think that Saturday

1335
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 7: at the convention. I write about that and what happened

1336
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 7: to him at that particular, that particular moment. How does

1337
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 7: one compare Charles Diggs with Adam Clayton Powell. I do

1338
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 7: a little bit of this in the front part of

1339
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 7: the book. And let me say this, Adam Clayton Powell

1340
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 7: was a very very significant and important Black American leader

1341
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 7: in fact, in fact, from the time he got elected

1342
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 7: in nineteen forty two he took office in forty three,

1343
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 7: he literally immediately became one of the countries leading black

1344
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 7: spokes persons that you will, So from nineteen forty three

1345
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,440
Speaker 7: until the rise of Doctor King, at the Montgomery bus boycott.

1346
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 7: Really Powell was dominated. He dominated the media coverage of

1347
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 7: Black America. He was a minister in Harlem, he was

1348
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 7: an activist minister, and he was a militant race leader.

1349
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 7: If you will, I argue in the book that Adam

1350
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 7: Clayton Powell really overshadowed Uh Digs because Diggs was somewhat quiet, unassuming,

1351
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 7: a kind of person, and for a good part of

1352
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 7: his career he served with with Powell and the and

1353
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 7: the media. You see, the media was drawn to Powell

1354
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 7: because he was demonearing, he was a great speaker, he

1355
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 7: was handsome, and so I argue in the book that

1356
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 7: that that that Powell, if you will, overshadowed Uh Congressman Digs.

1357
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 7: But when you began to look seriously at their records,

1358
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 7: at what they were able to achieve as legislator to

1359
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 7: us and Congress members, you really have to uh come

1360
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 7: to the conclusion that Digs achieved much more.

1361
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 5: Let me guess act.

1362
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 7: Let me guess at that because Diggs had a reputation

1363
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 7: of being a serious legislator. He he is the person

1364
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 7: how civil rights leaders reach out to in Congress when

1365
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 7: they wanted something done, because they knew they knew that

1366
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 7: Diggs would follow through, okay. Read the record of Adam

1367
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 7: Clayton Powell. He didn't often follow through, okay, and this

1368
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 7: is why many of the civil rights leaders oftentimes didn't

1369
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 7: trust him, if you will. So that's part of what

1370
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 7: I write about in the book. But my book is

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 7: focused on Diggs and the tremendous work that he accomplished

1372
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 7: while in Congress. This is a person who's almost been forgotten.

1373
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: All right, twenty five away from the top of that family.

1374
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: Just checking in as doctor Marion or it's written a

1375
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: book about Charles Diggs, and you can reach him at

1376
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. J's

1377
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: calling from the Motor Cities online. Two Grand Rise and Jay,

1378
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: you're wund with doctor.

1379
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 9: Orr and Grant Rising see your guests. I want to

1380
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 9: congratulate him on his book, and I can't wait to

1381
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 9: purchase it, especially because for most of my young life

1382
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 9: and young adult life, Congressman Diggs was my congressperson, and

1383
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 9: so you know, I'm intrinsically connected with so many other

1384
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 9: things you're saying. When you mentioned the train station, I

1385
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 9: lived like five blocks away from the train station.

1386
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: They refurbished that station.

1387
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 9: To understand, yes, the yeah, Ford Motor Company kind of

1388
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 9: took it over. They refurbished it and it sat veaking

1389
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 9: for a long time. You really caught my eye when

1390
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 9: you talked about the name of the book, the House

1391
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 9: of Diggs, because personally they handled my oldest sister and

1392
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 9: my dad's funeral for a while in the sixties, in

1393
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 9: the early at nineteen seventy one on my dad past

1394
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 9: and saying Congressman Big even though he was, you know,

1395
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 9: busy doing all the political things, took the time out

1396
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 9: to make sure that things were right with both of

1397
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 9: those U services. And you know that they provide Jay.

1398
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: Hold on a second. We're gonna step aside for a

1399
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 2: few moments here. I want you to stay on the line.

1400
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: We got to check the news and trafficking weather in

1401
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: our different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from the

1402
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: top of our family. That's Jay calling from Detroit and

1403
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: also speaking with professor or Professor doctor Orr has written

1404
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: a book called A House of Digs about Charles Diggs.

1405
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: I didn't know I'm learning so much about Charles Diggs.

1406
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 2: I just thought he was you know, I knew the

1407
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: things that we talked about, I didn't know all the

1408
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: other stuff that's being shared with us this morning. You've

1409
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: got a question, you can reach Professor Warr by reaching

1410
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

1411
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 2: seventy sixty. Well take your phone calls after the news

1412
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: trafficking weather, It's next and grind rising family. Thanks for

1413
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: starting a week with us at fifteen minutes away from

1414
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: the top. There with our guess doctor Maren or teachers

1415
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: at Brown University has reach the book about Charles Diggs,

1416
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: the former Detroit congress has called the House of Diggs.

1417
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 2: Before we go back to him and Jay in the

1418
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: motives City Lemon, just offer our condolences to the family

1419
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: of Jamil Abdul l Men. Some of you knows h

1420
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 2: Rap Brown of listening this program heard his son on here,

1421
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: Kyrie l m Man. Kyrie's an attorney now. And also

1422
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: a condolcius to Kyrie's mom, Karima lm In as well. Also,

1423
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: we're going to have our condolces to the family and

1424
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: the fans of reggae singer and actor Jimmy Cliff. Some

1425
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: of you have seen his movie The Hearder. They Come

1426
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: Jimmy Cliff passed away this morning. He was eighty one.

1427
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 2: Coming up later this morning, though, we're going to speak

1428
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: with Professor Gerald Horn from the University of Houston, and

1429
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 2: later this week you're gonna hear from futuristic researcher brother

1430
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 2: Sidika McCary, historian Michael m Otep he's from Detroit. Also

1431
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: Chairman Fred Hampton will be here and also Black Votes Matter.

1432
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: They're going to join us. So if you are in

1433
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: baltimore'll make sure you keep you radio locked in tight

1434
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: on ten ten WLB free in the DMV family who

1435
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: were on fourteen fifty w L. All right, Jay, I'll

1436
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: let you finish your question for doctor Orr.

1437
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you. I just want to concur what the

1438
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 9: doctor said about how the Diggs family was legendary and

1439
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 9: also beloved, you know, in the city, you know, starting

1440
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 9: with his father who started that business in the Paradise

1441
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 9: Valley Black Bottom area, which is historic in itself, and

1442
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 9: the racism that he was subjected to to even you know,

1443
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 9: start his business and where they could even bury the

1444
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 9: blacks from Detroit, which is a whole story in itself.

1445
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 9: But the question I wanted to ask is to the doctor,

1446
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 9: how do you think Representative Diggs would feel about the

1447
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 9: current political atmosphere, especially relegated to Detroit fire as our

1448
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 9: representation that we have now we don't you know, predominantly

1449
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 9: still a predominantly black, but we don't have any black

1450
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 9: representative in Congress, you know, uh to leave and Tanadar

1451
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 9: as our representatives and kind of due to the redistrictive,

1452
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 9: the gere mandering that they did here in Michigan off

1453
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 9: you know, which kind of uh alleviated some of the

1454
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 9: black political power for us coming from Detroit national and

1455
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 9: statewide too. But how do you think the congressmen would

1456
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 9: feel about that? And last thing I wanted to say,

1457
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 9: I think people all the congressional black congress members now

1458
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 9: should read your book to get some insight on, you know,

1459
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 9: the power that they do have and execute it in

1460
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 9: the proper manner.

1461
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 5: That's a good that's a that's a good point.

1462
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 7: My brother. Let me get ship to a couple of

1463
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 7: couple of things, you know, in terms of how congres

1464
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 7: is behaving today, what's happening today? Uh, you know, the

1465
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 7: framers of the Constitution designed Congress to be a place

1466
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 7: of bargaining and compromised and that's part of what Diggs

1467
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 7: had to do when he served. Let me just tell

1468
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 7: your listeners. He served from nineteen fifty five to nineteen

1469
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 7: eighty and so these would look at the Congress today

1470
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 7: and say, really, they're not doing what the Framers design

1471
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 7: the Congress to do. That is to be an institution

1472
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 7: of bargaining and compromised. And if you read my book,

1473
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 7: you see that at times Diggs had to make some

1474
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 7: serious compromises to move things forward. So he would look

1475
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 7: at Congress and say, they're not doing what the Framers envisioned.

1476
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 7: The other thing that I think he would also look

1477
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 7: at and say, well, Congress is not doing the kind

1478
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 7: of oversight the administration at the Framers envision. And this

1479
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 7: is part of what Diggs was so effective at as

1480
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 7: a Congress member doing his tenure in Congress, that is,

1481
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 7: using his oversight authority to make certain that the executive

1482
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 7: branch is doing what Congress intended it to do. Diggs

1483
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 7: firmly believed that black representation matters, and so he would

1484
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 7: today be pushing for Detroit and other communities where black

1485
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 7: people can mobilize and elect one of their own to

1486
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 7: do just that. It matters. Let me just give you

1487
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 7: a good example of this. I mentioned earlier that Diggs

1488
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 7: played a role in desegregating commercial air travel. He played

1489
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 7: a big role in that, and especially in terms of employment. Pilots,

1490
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 7: airline attendants fight the tennis rather and the engineers, those

1491
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 7: folks who are owned the airplane. In nineteen fifty four,

1492
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:15,480
Speaker 7: Diggs defeated a Citty incumbent, a Democrat incumbent named George O'Brien.

1493
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 7: George O'Brien was white liberal Democrat who voted liberally in Congress. Okay.

1494
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 7: O'Brien flew from Detroit to Washington, d C. Every week,

1495
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 7: back and forth as a member of Congress for some

1496
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 7: twenty something years. Diggs defeated him in nineteen fifty four

1497
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 7: and began to take the same flight back and forth

1498
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 7: from Detroit to Washington, d C. But Diggs saw something

1499
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 7: different that O'Brien never never saw. And this is this

1500
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 7: Diggs imediately realized that there were no black pilots. There

1501
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 7: were no black they called them stewardess then or flight attendant.

1502
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 7: There were no black engineers. All the black folks who

1503
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 7: worked for the major airlines, you know, did the kind

1504
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 7: of sweeping the luggage. They weren't on the airplane, and

1505
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 7: Diggs understood that black Americans could fly airplanes because he

1506
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 7: was a Tuskegee airman down in Alabama. My point is this,

1507
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 7: Diggs would come into office and he would immediately began

1508
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 7: to push Delta TWA and the other major airlines at

1509
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 7: that period to hire black people to be on the airplane.

1510
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 7: And you see him in my book. I write about

1511
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 7: this in the book. He's working with Vice President Lyndon

1512
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 7: Johnson to make certain that these airlines open up the

1513
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 7: space for Black Americans. This is why I say black

1514
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 7: representation matter. O'Brien in the Liberal White Democrat flew on

1515
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 7: the same airplane that digs and never ever raised this

1516
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 7: question about why is it that African American Americans can't

1517
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 7: be pilots, Why is it black women at the time

1518
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 7: could not be flight attendants. Why couldn't black folk be

1519
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 7: engineers on the airplane? Black representation really matters. And I

1520
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 7: think that's just one example. And if Diggs were here today,

1521
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 7: he would be saying the same thing that it matters.

1522
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 9: Okay, well, thank you so much for that, because does

1523
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 9: your book talk about his interaction with our other legendary

1524
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 9: congress person from Detroit, John Congress Junior, do you kind

1525
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 9: of go into.

1526
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 5: That and yes, thank you for that question.

1527
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 7: Let me tell you this, my brother, I had a

1528
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 7: wonderful opportunity to talk to many of the men and

1529
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 7: women who served the Congress and Digs on Capitol Hill,

1530
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,520
Speaker 7: including John Conyers. I met with him in his Detroit office,

1531
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 7: and he talked glowingly, glowingly about Diggs and how Diggs

1532
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 7: used his seniority. Let me just remind your listeners that

1533
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 7: Conyers came in to office in nineteen sixty five, haven't

1534
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 7: been elected in nineteen sixty four, ten years, ten years

1535
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 7: after Diggs, you know, got elected. And what Conyers told

1536
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 7: me was that how Diggs, you know, helped him learn

1537
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 7: what's what to do down in Capitol Hill. So he

1538
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 7: spoke fondly of Diggs and how Diggs used his seniority

1539
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 7: to advance the cause of civil rights and to push

1540
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 7: for a freedom for Black Africans on the continent.

1541
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 9: Well, I got goosebump over here talking.

1542
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 7: You should get this book, man, because this Diggs was

1543
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 7: just a phenomenal, phenomenal American leader. Let me you ask

1544
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 7: about how he worked with Congress. Here's what I discovered

1545
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 7: Biggs worked well with almost everyone. He had this He

1546
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 7: had this, He had this demeanor about him that allowed

1547
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 7: him to work with for a mirror of Iraka, for example,

1548
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 7: the black radical, a militant, and he was able to

1549
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 7: work with Bill Dawson, the conservative of black congressman from

1550
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 7: from from Chicago. And the men and women who I

1551
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:37,520
Speaker 7: interviewed and talked to really attributed that to his his demeanor.

1552
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 7: He was quiet, unassuming, not a pushover. Gonna get me wrong,

1553
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 7: He was not a pushover, but he knew how to

1554
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 7: work with people, how not to sort of burn bridges

1555
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 7: that he may need later on. He was just a

1556
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 7: stellar strategic legislator who knew how to operate in the Congress,

1557
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 7: who knew who knew, and realized that when he came

1558
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 7: to Congress, my brother, he was only one of three

1559
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 7: three black men serving in Congress at the time, four

1560
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty five people in the House, only three

1561
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 7: were I think an American, and so he had to

1562
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 7: figure out how do.

1563
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 10: You maneuver in that kind of.

1564
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 7: Environment to push for civil rights, to push for anti

1565
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 7: apartheid legislation, you see. And he was just a strategic

1566
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 7: person who really wanted us to what he could in

1567
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 7: that position in Congress to advance the cause for freedom

1568
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 7: for us here in America and for freedom for our

1569
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 7: brothers and sisters on the continent.

1570
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 9: Oh well, thank you very much, thank you.

1571
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1572
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: Two Away from the topic, I come up on a

1573
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 2: breakthrough assuming I got a tweet question from another detroitter

1574
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: for you, doctor or treatd says, I'm so glad to

1575
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: hear more about the great legacy of Charles Diggs. Most

1576
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 2: people from Detroit don't really want to talk about him.

1577
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: As you say, by the time I got to college,

1578
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: I only heard about Digs's scandal because I went to

1579
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 2: school with his children. Can you tell me what happened

1580
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 2: or what changed?

1581
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 7: Well, if that Carla asked him about the scandal, mister Nelson,

1582
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 7: brother Carl.

1583
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 4: I think that's what it is.

1584
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 7: Well, you know, my book is ubtitled The Rise and

1585
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 7: Fall of America's most Consequential Black Congressman. And uh, it's unfortunate,

1586
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 7: brother Carl. We could do wonderful things in our life,

1587
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 7: and if we do something bad or wrong, oftentimes it's

1588
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 7: that thing that people might most remember. And this may

1589
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 7: very well be the case for congressmen Diggs, who, as

1590
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 7: the caller is hitting at, had got involved in a scandal.

1591
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 7: Bigs say this.

1592
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 2: Right there, doctor Or, we got the traffic weather one

1593
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: more time, Yeah, address that issue for us. Three minutes

1594
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: away from the Tave family, Doctor ors O guest Marion

1595
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 2: ors reading a book about Charles Diggs, Congressman late Consion

1596
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: from Detroit. What are your thoughts? You want to join

1597
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: this conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred and

1598
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: four five zero seventy eight seventy six one ticket phone

1599
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: calls after the trafficking weather together, that's next and grind

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01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning.

1601
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 2: Founk just starting your week with us. I guess there

1602
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: is a doctor Marion Or has written several books. Was

1603
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: reading a book. His lady's book is about a Congressman

1604
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: Charles Diggs from Detroit. Many if you know, he was

1605
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: instrumental and starting congression Black Caucus have played a major

1606
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: role in the Black Power Conference in Gary in seventy

1607
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 2: two and all this is too is in that book.

1608
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: But the twell, let me read the tweet again for

1609
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: if if those folks are just checking in a tweet

1610
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: from one of our Detroit. Listen says, I'm so glad

1611
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 2: to hear about the great legacy of Charles Diggs. Most

1612
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: people from Detroit don't really want to talk about him.

1613
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: And he goes on to say, by the time I

1614
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 2: got to college, and I only heard about Digs's scandal

1615
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: because I went to school with his children. Can you

1616
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 2: tell me what happened or what changed?

1617
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 7: Yes, well again, thank you. Let me just say my

1618
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 7: book is the first biography of Digs, and it's a

1619
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 7: serious biography. And as a serious biography, I cover both

1620
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 7: the good and the bad, if you will. And the

1621
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 7: person gets tweeted a question about the scandal that really

1622
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 7: led to a Diggs resonation and somewhat say downfall. And

1623
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 7: let me get say very quickly that Diggs was a

1624
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 7: person who had a difficult time managing his personal finances.

1625
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 7: Now I don't know why that's the case. I never

1626
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 7: could get it a good great on us. I do

1627
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 7: know that he gambled, and his friend said he seemingly

1628
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 7: had an addiction to gambling. The congressman was married four times,

1629
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 7: he had six children, and so he had financial challenges.

1630
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 7: The house of Dig's funeral home that I talked about

1631
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 7: earlier would face serious financial challenges and it would collapse

1632
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 7: in the early I'm sorry, the mid seventies. And so Diggs,

1633
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 7: let me just say this. I'm not telling your listeners

1634
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 7: just for an excuse for the congressman. I'm just explaining

1635
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 7: what happened to him. And what happened to him is

1636
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 7: that he was desperate, desperate for money, and he was

1637
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 7: in a position as a leading member of Congress, a

1638
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 7: senior member of Congress, and chairs of two committees in

1639
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 7: Congress I mean a committee and a subcommittee to do

1640
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 7: the things. So what he did was he gave his

1641
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 7: then secretary a salary increase, and the salary increase from

1642
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 7: the secretary came back to Diggs to help pay his

1643
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 7: personal bills. The secretary agreed with this arrangement, and hence

1644
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 7: this is what happened. This went on for over two years.

1645
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 7: The woman would eventually resign. She didn't like working in

1646
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 7: the office anymore, she didn't like the arrangement with the

1647
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 7: with the salary, and she resigned. And the kickback, we

1648
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 7: call that a kickback scheme. You know, the employee is

1649
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 7: kicking back the salary to uh to the employer, and

1650
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 7: so the payroad scheme stopped when she resigned, and I'm

1651
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 7: not going to reveal it all called to your list

1652
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 7: I want them to go and purchase the book. And

1653
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 7: if you in DC, you should go to San Kopa

1654
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 7: Bookstore on Georgia Avenue. And if you in Detroit, the

1655
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 7: wonderful people at Source Booksellers on cash out. It's a

1656
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 7: great place to purchase the house of Diggs. So she resigned,

1657
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 7: the kickback scheme stopped because there is no one doing it.

1658
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:29,560
Speaker 7: Diggs hires someone to replace this woman, and the replacement

1659
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 7: goes through diggs files and discovered that Diggs had been

1660
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 7: involved in this payroll kickback scheme. And this person who

1661
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell your listeners, but it's in

1662
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 7: the book. Let me just tell you this, fella, Carl

1663
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 7: I was able to get Congressman diggs FBI file, and

1664
01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 7: my book is the first to reveal the identity of

1665
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 7: the confidential informant who picked up the phone in March

1666
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 7: of nineteen seventy seven and called the Justice Department and

1667
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 7: tipped them off and said, I want you to know

1668
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 7: that Diggs was doing this kickback scheme. And shortly thereafter

1669
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 7: the phone call was made the FBI showed up. Diggs

1670
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 7: was indicted on twenty nine counts in this kickback scheme,

1671
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 7: and he was convicted on all twenty nine counts by

1672
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 7: a DC jury of eleven Black Americans and one white person. Okay,

1673
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 7: he was convicted sentenced to three years in prison, but

1674
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 7: he would serve only seven months. He would come out

1675
01:36:54,280 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 7: of prison in nineteen eighty one. He would live the

1676
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 7: rest of his life in Prince George's county outside of Washington,

1677
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 7: d C. And Congressman Diggs died in August of nineteen

1678
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 7: ninety eight of a massive stroke. So yes, he you know,

1679
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 7: brother Carl, each of us is more than the worst

1680
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 7: thing we've ever done. That's a quote from Brian Stevenson's

1681
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 7: book on Jush Mercy. Each of us is more than

1682
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 7: the worst thing we've ever done. And Diggs should be

1683
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 7: remembered not from the scandal that your listener tweeted here,

1684
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 7: but he should be remembered for this tremendous contributions he

1685
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 7: made in this country and around the world. And brother Carl,

1686
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 7: we didn't touch on all the things that I've uncovered

1687
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 7: in the research about what this remarkable man. And did

1688
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 7: you know, for example, Your listeners in DC may not

1689
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 7: know that the Frederick Douglas Home in Washington, d C,

1690
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 7: Anacostia over there, is a part of the National Park

1691
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 7: System because Diggs in nineteen sixty two pushed a bill

1692
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 7: through Congress to do that. Your listeners in DC may

1693
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 7: not know that it was Diggs who pushed the legislation

1694
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 7: through Congress that created the University of the District of

1695
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 7: Columbia u d C, which is the only public institution

1696
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 7: in our nation's capital. And many of your listeners may

1697
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 7: not know that Biggs was, in fact the father of

1698
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 7: home rule for Washington, d C. That is under under

1699
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 7: tremendous attack right now by the Trump administration and the

1700
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 7: Republicans in Congress. This was a remarkable American leader that

1701
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 7: should not have been forgotten, if he shouldn't not be

1702
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 7: remembered by this scandal. I underscore Brian Stevenson's quote again,

1703
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 7: each of us is more than the worst thing we've

1704
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 7: ever done.

1705
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 4: I get it.

1706
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 2: So this you think does not tarnish because he's done

1707
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, remarkable stuff that he's done, All

1708
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 2: that stuff that you mentioned had done in the DMV.

1709
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 4: I did not know.

1710
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: I knew about the Aparteta I knew about also working

1711
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: with the Congression Black Caucus starting up the Congression Black Aus.

1712
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 2: Knew about the seventy two Gary Convention. But did I know

1713
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 2: all the stuff that he did? So before you go,

1714
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 2: just just does that outweigh You're saying what he did

1715
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 2: at that ended his career on Capitol Hill does not

1716
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 2: outweigh all the good that he did for us as

1717
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 2: a people, not just Detroit as alone.

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Speaker 7: Oh, no question about it. This this brother, you know

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01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 7: he was an imperfect man. Okay, he was a complex man.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you something. The members of the Black

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01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 7: Caucuss and the members of Congress were shocked, were shocked

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01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:11,759
Speaker 7: when they heard about the indictment of Congressmen Diggs. Louis

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Speaker 7: Stope told me. The congress member from Cleveland said to me, Professor,

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01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 7: we couldn't believe Digs or do anything wrong. Okay, So, yes,

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01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 7: he was an imperfect man. Uh, he was a complex man.

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01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 7: But his problems with the scandal affected his personal life.

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01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 7: If you will, let me guess say, other folk have

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01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 7: done much more worse things than than Congressmen Congressman Congressman Digs,

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01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 7: but never less. But never Lets let me just get

1730
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 7: this out, brother, brother Kak. They do not overshadow the

1731
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 7: tremendous contributions to this brother made and the sacrifices he

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01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 7: made for us here in this country and for a

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01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 7: black freedom on the continent of Africa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, running lay here, But one question. Your students are Brown.

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01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,560
Speaker 2: Do you discuss Diggs with your students at Brown University?

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01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 15: Oh?

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01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 7: Yes, ye oh, yes, yes, yes, there's no question about it.

1738
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 7: I'm teaching. I'm teaching Brother Carl my black politics course,

1739
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 7: the same course.

1740
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:24,839
Speaker 10: That I took.

1741
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 7: From Professor Walton when I was seventeen, eighteen years ago.

1742
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 7: I'm teaching my students here at Brown, and next semester

1743
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 7: I will use my book House of Digs for the

1744
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 7: first time in my Black Politics course. My students know

1745
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 7: about Diggs and they're gonna learn even more about him

1746
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 7: now that I've written the book.

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01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: All right, I'll tell you what where you got to run.

1748
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have you come back because there's a

1749
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 2: lot more to Charleston.

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01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 7: Oh man, please, I would love to come back to

1751
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 7: cover to cover this brother.

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01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 10: He was.

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01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 7: He was tremendous and Brother Carl, I really do appreciate

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01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 7: you for having me on your show and thank your listeners.

1755
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, thank you for writing this book

1756
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: about Charles diks families. Thirteen minutes at the top, they

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01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 2: were running late, Professor Gerald Horn, grand rising, professor, welcome

1758
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 2: to the program. Thanks for being so patient with us.

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01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 10: Thank you for inviting me.

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01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's let's get it started.

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Speaker 2: Professor Horn, you know your thoughts on this This deal

1762
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 2: is supposed to be coming close between Ukraine and Russia.

1763
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 2: They broken by Donald Trump. Your thoughts on this deal.

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Speaker 8: Well, in a sect, it represents a surrender by Ukraine.

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01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 8: I think that Barack Obama had it right when he

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01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 8: was reluctant to intervene aggressively in Ukraine because, according to

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01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 8: mister Obama, Russia had escalatory domins. Let us just say

1768
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 8: it's a country bigger in territory, bigger in population than Ukraine,

1769
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Speaker 8: and it's obvious that Ukraine has become heavily dependent upon

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01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 8: one Shington to continue the struggle. In in the past few weeks,

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01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 8: they've lost territory, they're losing soldiers at an astonishing cliff.

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Speaker 8: The problem for mister Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader, is that

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01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 8: if he signs onto this Trump deal. He's basically a

1774
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 8: dead duck at home, and so he has a very

1775
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 8: difficult decision to make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from all the parents, it seems like this deal

1777
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 2: is written by the Russians, that adopted by Trump. But

1778
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 2: what's what's what's the rest of the world saying? What's

1779
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: Europe saying? Because obviously he gets that land back from Ukraine,

1780
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 2: He's not going to stop there.

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01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 4: They know that.

1782
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 2: Well, why don't they just come in and say that,

1783
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 2: we will give you the military, the weapons it's that

1784
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is holding for him, you so you can

1785
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 2: fight the Russians because that will keep him uh uh

1786
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Speaker 2: off our doorsteps.

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Speaker 4: Why why am they stepped up and said that yet?

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01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 8: Well, the Europeans are full of bluster, but they don't

1789
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 8: necessarily have the wherewithal to assist mister Zolensky. They would

1790
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 8: have to weapons cash on the barrel head from the

1791
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 8: United States from America and transfer those weapons to the Ukrainians.

1792
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 8: The problem is their economies are in a funk, and

1793
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 8: so they don't have cash on the barrel head. What

1794
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 8: they do have is a lot of fire breathing rhetoric,

1795
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 8: but at this point that doesn't really count for much.

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Speaker 2: Could China step in or was it was that? Was

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01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 2: that starting our World War Three?

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Speaker 8: What China's on the side of Russia. That's one of

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Speaker 8: the reasons why Russia has been able to prevail. That's

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Speaker 8: one of the reasons why Russia has been able to

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Speaker 8: survive sanction. And I think that mister Trump in any case,

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01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 8: has so badly alienated the so called allies, starting with Canada,

1803
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 8: which he is threatened to annext including Denmark's threatening to

1804
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 8: seize their columny that is Greenland, and mister Trump in

1805
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 8: the United States don't have much credibility nowadays.

1806
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 2: So from the Service it looked like he's done because

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01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 2: if he takes this deal, and also they're calling for elections.

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01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,839
Speaker 2: The part of that deal calls for elections in Ukraine.

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01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 2: Obviously they're talking about regime change here. That's I think

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01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 2: that's the goal as well. Uh so is Zelenski if

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01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 2: he accepts he's out.

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Speaker 4: Is that the bottom line?

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01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely, they've painted themselves into a real corner. That

1814
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 8: is to say, when mister Trump replaced mister Biden, that

1815
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 8: was the signal. It seems to me for Zilinsky to

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01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 8: cut a deal as opposed to waiting until November to

1817
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 8: try to cut a deal when he's obviously on the

1818
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 8: back foot.

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01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Trump could have told him this a long

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01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 2: time ago. I mean, because this is essentially what they

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01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Everything that Russia is asking for, they're

1822
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 2: getting if if Zelensky accepts this deal. Uh, why didn't

1823
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 2: Why didn't Trump come out earlier? It's because a lot

1824
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 2: of lives have been lost since you know this, this

1825
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: this battle has started. Why didn't or come earlier and

1826
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 2: propose this and get it over and you know, move

1827
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 2: on and let's go to the next phase.

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Speaker 4: Why do the hell back? Why now?

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Speaker 8: I think that you also have to look at the Ukraine,

1830
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 8: as they have an embassy in Washington. They read the

1831
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 8: US Press. Anybody who reached the US press knows that

1832
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 8: sooner rather than later, mister Trump was going to pull

1833
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 8: the plug on Ukraine. He has said during the campaign

1834
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 8: that he could settle this conflict within twenty four hours

1835
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 8: of assuming office. That should have been a signal that

1836
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 8: he was going to make concessions to the Russians. And

1837
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 8: in any case, that's what's happening.

1838
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 2: All right, seventeen after the top of their family. I

1839
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 2: take a short break here, we come back with doctor Horn.

1840
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 2: You got a question for doctor on anything on the planet,

1841
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 2: reach out to us at eight hundred and four five

1842
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 2: zero seventy eight to seventy six. We'll take your phone

1843
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 2: calls and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

1844
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 2: with us. And I guess that twenty one minutes after

1845
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 2: the top of that happens to be Professor Gerald Horn

1846
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 2: from the University of Houston, Africana and the African American

1847
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 2: History professor at the University of Houston. We're going to

1848
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 2: tackle the various subjects with doctor Horn before the time

1849
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 2: he's out, but so you can reach him if you

1850
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 2: got a question that eight hundred four or five zero

1851
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 2: seventy eight seventy six. Mike is calling from DC's online

1852
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 2: two the Grand Rising. Mike, your question for doctor Horn.

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01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 13: Oh, great Rising, mister Nelson, mister Kevin, and doctor from Houston.

1854
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 13: You're seven thousand of sacreme. Your so point on, there's

1855
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 13: no reason Trump when he met with the disagreement and

1856
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 13: disrespect that happened that the White House won the misty

1857
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 13: first arrived, he told him he didn't have any cards.

1858
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 13: He had no cards, and I understand what Trump's trying

1859
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 13: to do. You don't want any more killing. Russia lost

1860
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 13: a lot of troops too, They've lost a lot, but

1861
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 13: like you said, they got a lot of help from

1862
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 13: Russia and North Korea, and the Clintons made them give

1863
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 13: up that weapons of mass destruction. Couldn't do anything. And

1864
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 13: as a guest said, Europe can't help them. Europe doesn't

1865
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 13: do anything. It's their war, that's NATO is on that side.

1866
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 13: The Europeans can't do anything to help them. For us

1867
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 13: to give our weapons, of our weapons and stuff like

1868
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:13,759
Speaker 13: that to to Ukraine, we would lose the pleasures our stock. Also,

1869
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 13: as you said, mister Nelson too, it would start World

1870
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 13: War three. I'm saying so nuclear we're not going to

1871
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 13: go into that. So technically Russia, they're they're gained a

1872
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 13: lot of land they lost, they gained a lot of land,

1873
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 13: and there's no way that Ukraine went. So they just

1874
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,919
Speaker 13: need to go and end it now. And the Valinsky

1875
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 13: will lose their election because he gave up. He's in

1876
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 13: a no win situation. So I agree, thank you, all.

1877
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Speaker 4: Right, thanks Mike.

1878
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 2: But but doctor Horn doesn't this you know who says

1879
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 2: that that the Putin's going to stop with this. Those

1880
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 2: portions that he was trying to reclaim from Ukraine, who

1881
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 2: says he's not in Poland is not on his hit list?

1882
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 2: How did How can the European you know, committee be

1883
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 2: happy with this?

1884
01:48:58,280 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 10: To stop?

1885
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 2: Kevin hang up online two for US and Kevin doctor Hart, Kevin,

1886
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 2: can you hang up online too for US?

1887
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 8: Okay, can you hear me now?

1888
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 4: Yes, we can hear you.

1889
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,839
Speaker 8: Let's say that one of the reasons this conflict started

1890
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 8: was that the United States, when the Soviet Union was collapsing,

1891
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 8: had made an informal arrangement that there would not be

1892
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:41,600
Speaker 8: an expansion of NATO closer to Russia's boards. But the

1893
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 8: United States violated that agreement. Now you have these former

1894
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:51,560
Speaker 8: Soviet allies, former Moscow allies, now part of NATO, including Romania,

1895
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 8: including Poland, including Bulgarian and Ukraine. In the sense was

1896
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 8: the last straw and so I think what happens that

1897
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 8: the European and NATO, and particularly the United States, they overreached.

1898
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 8: What needs to also be brought into this conversation is

1899
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 8: that the United States is threatening Venezuela, as we well know,

1900
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 8: but Venezuela now is being bolstered militarily by Russia. For example,

1901
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 8: and that's also a possible potential conflict closer than outvert

1902
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:25,839
Speaker 8: to US borders.

1903
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 2: Right, and markman I sent a question about that as

1904
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 2: he says hello, and he says, US Special Operations Command

1905
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:38,679
Speaker 2: General Brian Fenton has gone. US Southern Command Admiral Alvin

1906
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 2: Hoseley is gone. Now flies to Venezuela, being counseled by

1907
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 2: several major commercial airlines. He says, are they any predictions,

1908
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 2: because I think that the US is in just Montela,

1909
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 2: just I guess, days away from attacking Venezuela. He wants

1910
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:54,719
Speaker 2: to get to your thoughts.

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01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 8: Well, that's possible that the United States days away from

1912
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 8: attack in Venezuela. It's also possible that mister Trump is bluffing,

1913
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 8: that this is the art of the bluff, that he

1914
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 8: thought that he sent this journal or forward aircraft, carrier

1915
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 8: and nuclear submarines closer than ever to Venezuela, that there

1916
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 8: would be an internal coup against mister Maduro. But that

1917
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 8: has not happened yet. The Wall Street journalists suggested that

1918
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 8: the Madua regime is coup proof, that they rely upon

1919
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 8: Cuban intelligence, and of course Cuban intelligences. They're one of

1920
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 8: the top intelligence agencies on planet Earth. After all, they've

1921
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 8: been able to survive, although only being ninety miles from

1922
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 8: the shores of South Florida. And so mister Trump, who

1923
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 8: got elected on this premise of so called America First,

1924
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 8: not getting involved in these disastrous foreign conflicts, may be

1925
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 8: headed for the mother of all foreign conflicts in Venezuela,

1926
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 8: which would splinter further his base. Notice the resignation from

1927
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:06,879
Speaker 8: Congress of Maga loyalists Marjorie Tailor Green. There's an eternal

1928
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:12,599
Speaker 8: civil war in Maga over the Hitler's Cool faction headed

1929
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Speaker 8: by Nick Paintus and the Zionist faction, which contributed separately

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Speaker 8: to the campaign coffers of mister Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.

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Speaker 8: Not Cleveldge is not going away anytime soon, and it

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Speaker 8: could be worsened if mister Trump heads heathlessly into Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll revisit that. At the moment twenty eight after

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Speaker 2: the top of they are in Venezuela. What they said,

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Speaker 2: because these drug boats that they're supposing druggers say they're

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Speaker 2: bombing and blowing them up in the waters near trended

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Speaker 2: out in Tobago. My question to you, though, If these

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Speaker 2: guys are running drugs and they know that the United

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Speaker 2: States dropping bombs, why would they continue? Does it seem

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Speaker 2: to make sense that these guys are smart enough to

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Speaker 2: run drugs but dumb enough to keep running drugs know

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Speaker 2: that the United States bombing. I guess the credibility of

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Speaker 2: whether those ships or boats whatever that were bombed, there

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Speaker 2: was still the drug dealers doing that.

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Speaker 8: Your thoughts, I think the inference you should draw is

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Speaker 8: that they're not running drugs, that they are what they're

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Speaker 8: advertised to be. They're fishermen, And I think that's one

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Speaker 8: of the reasons why there have been press reports that

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Speaker 8: London has suspended intelligence sharing with Washington over these killings,

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Speaker 8: because it would be akin to a DA agent or

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Speaker 8: a police officer coming up to you on the sidewalk

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Speaker 8: of Washington, DC, accusing you of running drugs and instead

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Speaker 8: of arresting you and detaining you, shoot you through the head.

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Speaker 8: If they have evidence that they're running drugs, why don't

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Speaker 8: they arrest them and bring them to court to stand trial.

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Speaker 2: And two of the victims of those attacks with fishermen,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, from turned out in Tobago. There's another

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Speaker 2: issue too. I'm not sure if you're aware of this

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Speaker 2: professor down there, because they're attained the fact of letting

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Speaker 2: warships in and around their country because they're right next

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Speaker 2: to Venezuela, and that's caused some issues with that region,

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Speaker 2: with the leaders in that region. And Brazil is now

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Speaker 2: speaking of Brazil is like what are you doing? You know,

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Speaker 2: speaking of trying to reach the leader, female leader of

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Speaker 2: tradad and Tobago, and she had to come out and

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Speaker 2: say she's not aiding in a betting on the strikes

1967
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Speaker 2: that the United States is doing, but she's just accommodating

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Speaker 2: the warships into her part if you will.

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Speaker 4: Have you heard those stories?

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Speaker 8: I have, indeed, and I think that Trinidad and Tobago

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Speaker 8: should be careful because after mister Trump leaves office, Venezuela,

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Speaker 8: a country that is about thirty times five of Turnidad

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Speaker 8: and Tobago, will still be their next door neighbor. And

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Speaker 8: I think one of the reasons why mister Trump has hesitated,

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Speaker 8: apparently in terms of pulling the trigger against Venezuela is

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Speaker 8: that Venezuela is no pushover. As noted, it's the system

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Speaker 8: by the Cubans, this assisted by the Colombians, you still

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Speaker 8: have arm fact factions in Colombia who I'm sure would

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Speaker 8: be quite enthusiastic about confronting Yankees on the battlefield. They

1980
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Speaker 8: are assisted by Iranian oil engineers who are keeping their

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Speaker 8: oil enterprise going. Has noted, Russians have assisted them militarily,

1982
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Speaker 8: China has assisted them financially. And then if you look

1983
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Speaker 8: at South America generally, mister Trump should pay attention to

1984
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Speaker 8: the fact that voters in Ecuador just a few days

1985
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Speaker 8: ago voted to refuse stationing a US basis on their soil.

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Speaker 8: In the elections in neighboring Chile, a communist one more

1987
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Speaker 8: votes than any other candidate, which was quite shocking to Washington.

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Speaker 8: So mister Trump is really skating on ice, not only

1989
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Speaker 8: in the hemisphere, but also the blowback in terms of

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Speaker 8: his MAGA base.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you thirty minutes at the top

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Speaker 2: of that family in Professor Jill with us and we know,

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Speaker 2: as usually we tackle several of tops with doctor Horne.

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Speaker 2: You want to join this discussion, reach out to us

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Speaker 2: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Horn. What do you think is the bottom line?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: Do you think is it there? After Venezuela's oil, or

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Speaker 2: they want regime change or both both.

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Speaker 8: Clearly, mister Trump, of course lust after oil, recalled that

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Speaker 8: that was one of the reasons he was seeking regime

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Speaker 8: change in Syria, which he was able to accomplish putting

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Speaker 8: into office the former leader of al Qaeda in Syria,

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Speaker 8: who of course visited the Oval office just a few

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Speaker 8: days ago, a man who has been implicated in the

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Speaker 8: killing of Christians. At the same time, mister Trump has

2007
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Speaker 8: threatened to go into Nigeria. Gun's a blade thing, he says,

2008
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Speaker 8: because of a supposed anti Christian cruseettes crusade in Nigeria. So,

2009
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Speaker 8: mister Trump, his platform is full of contradictions, just as

2010
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Speaker 8: he is full of bluster.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine away from the top of Tweeter says that

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Speaker 2: the reason that the United States won't arrest the so

2014
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Speaker 2: called A drug runners in the boats is because it's

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Speaker 2: in international waters and they have no jurisdiction there, and

2016
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Speaker 2: that's why they just blow them up so they don't

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Speaker 2: have to prove anything as far as evidence. Your thoughts not.

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Speaker 8: Well, that sounds like murder incorporated to me. I mean,

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Speaker 8: why don't they cooperate with neighboring countries in terms of

2020
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Speaker 8: detaining these alleged drug runners. Why don't they cooperate with

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Speaker 8: the Trinidaddy in terms of detaining these alleged drug runners.

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Speaker 8: I think it's clear that mister Trump feels that he

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Speaker 8: can help his oily cronies in Texas, in particular by

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Speaker 8: getting his grubby little paws on Venezuela petroleum. But I

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Speaker 8: dare say that this enterprise is going to blow up

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Speaker 8: in his face.

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Speaker 2: I speaking about that. That's interesting that you mentioned. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you mentioned that twenty eight away from the Tom

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Speaker 2: because I'm at a conversation with him about this, and

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Speaker 2: he says the kind of petroleum that the venue sale

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Speaker 2: has that Trump's trying to get his hands on. The

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Speaker 2: only person that can really not manufactured or I guess

2033
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Speaker 2: distilla or whatever they do once they snatch it was

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Speaker 2: a company owned by the Koch brothers. I'm just wondering

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Speaker 2: if you've heard that information.

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Speaker 8: I'm not familiar with that particular angle, but it wouldn't

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Speaker 8: surprise me if that is the case. Recalled that Venezuela

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Speaker 8: has come into conflict with US oil executives. They detained

2039
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Speaker 8: a number of them over the years, which is of

2040
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Speaker 8: course upset these oil executives tremendously. But once again, I

2041
01:58:43,240 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 8: think mister Trump is really skating on thin ice. You

2042
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 8: see that many countries are unwilling to cooperate with the

2043
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Speaker 8: United States. You saw that at the Group of twenty

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Speaker 8: meeting in Johannesburg this past weekend, for example, where business

2045
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Speaker 8: went on despite the fact that the United States boycotted,

2046
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Speaker 8: despite the fact that the United States continued to insult

2047
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Speaker 8: this leading African country. And so I trust and I

2048
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Speaker 8: hope that people in the United States are paying attention

2049
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Speaker 8: to how increasingly the United States is becoming isolated because

2050
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Speaker 8: of the bumbling of mister Trump.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven away from the Top day Money Mind's checking

2052
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Speaker 2: in from Baltimore is online three grant rise your money Mind,

2053
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Speaker 2: your question for doctor Horn.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Carl, Good morning, Doctor Horn. Good morning, Okay,

2055
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Speaker 12: doctor Horn. First, why would the United States be so

2056
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Speaker 12: stupid as to think that mister Putin would allow Ukraine

2057
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Speaker 12: to join NATO from the Rye beginning, That's the first thing. Second,

2058
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Speaker 12: why are they so insistent upon sanctions on any country? Then,

2059
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Speaker 12: as where Russia China, why do they impose the sanctus

2060
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Speaker 12: be willingly in the first place. And third, when you

2061
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Speaker 12: talk about the nations not being aligned with the USA,

2062
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Speaker 12: is that maybe because of the brick nations that they

2063
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Speaker 12: feel that they got accuse whether they're going to be

2064
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Speaker 12: on the US side or they're going to be on

2065
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Speaker 12: China side.

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Speaker 7: But I'll take you away from there if.

2067
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Speaker 8: You go by the Climate Chaine summit in Brazil, which

2068
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Speaker 8: just concluded a day or two ago. Increasingly they're on

2069
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Speaker 8: China side. I mean, China's the leader globally in terms

2070
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:36,360
Speaker 8: of green energy. You might have heard the story from

2071
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Speaker 8: Jamaica and the aftermath of Hurricane Melissa that houses that

2072
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 8: had solar panels, where China plays the predominant role, their

2073
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Speaker 8: electricity was up and running almost shortly after the rain stopped,

2074
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Speaker 8: and their neighbors were coming to these homes to recharge

2075
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Speaker 8: their phones and all the rest. And so Trump, in contrast,

2076
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 8: is trying to rely upon fossil fuels and energy of

2077
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Speaker 8: the nineteenth century in order to propel the United States

2078
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Speaker 8: into the twenty first century, and that simply will not work.

2079
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Speaker 2: Twenty five away from the top of our brother college

2080
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Speaker 2: is also joined us. He's calling for Waldolphine Maryland Online too.

2081
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Speaker 2: He has a question for you as well, Doctor Horn,

2082
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Speaker 2: Grand Rising Brother College.

2083
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Speaker 15: Your question for doctor Horn, Grand Rising, Carl and the

2084
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Speaker 15: Extreme Professor. Professor, I want to I want to to

2085
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Speaker 15: ask you a question about the Epstein fouls and just

2086
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Speaker 15: from for inquiring minds knowledge, why would the several of

2087
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Speaker 15: the women that were involved in Epstein fols vote for Trump?

2088
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Speaker 15: Number one? Number two is the Maxwell woman? Is she Jewish?

2089
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Speaker 15: And number three finally is the Epstein fils seems to

2090
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 15: involve a high amount of world leaders who are being

2091
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 15: blackmailed at the highest level by Epstein. And this is

2092
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 15: the reason why Trump does not want to release the

2093
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Speaker 15: files and including the CIA m I six and the

2094
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Speaker 15: masade involved in that black Well Black Male network. And

2095
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Speaker 15: can you answer those questions for me? If you have

2096
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Speaker 15: a question, I'll get.

2097
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Speaker 2: I'll sorry all right there because we've got to step

2098
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:50,879
Speaker 2: aside for a few months. I'll let doctor Horn respond

2099
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Speaker 2: when we get back twenty three minutes away from the

2100
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Speaker 2: top of the family, you two can join this discussion

2101
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,040
Speaker 2: with doctor Gerald Horn. Just reach out to us at

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and five zero seventy eight and we'll take

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Speaker 2: your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family, Thanks for

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Speaker 2: starting your week with us and our guest Professor Jerald

2105
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Speaker 2: Horn from the University of Houston. Before we go back

2106
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Speaker 2: to him, listen for our condolences to the family of

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Abdullah l Men some of the enormous h rap

2108
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Speaker 2: Brown made his transition on Sunday. Also, we've got especially

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Speaker 2: to his son, Carrie l Man. You've heard him here

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Speaker 2: on this program before. He's an attorney, and also his

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Speaker 2: mom Kareema l Alman, also Kenolsius for the family and

2112
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Speaker 2: the fans of reggae singer actor Jimmy Cliff. He used

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Speaker 2: to somebody may have seen this movie back in the

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Speaker 2: day of the Hearted They Come. Jimmy Cliff was eighty one.

2115
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Speaker 2: Jamal Abdulla LMN was eighty two. Coming up later this week,

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Speaker 2: you're in to hear from futuristic researcher Sadeka Bakaart. By

2117
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Speaker 2: the way, it's today Sideki's birthday. If you know him,

2118
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Speaker 2: give him a shout out. Also, historian Michael Hamilton from

2119
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Speaker 2: Detroit will join us. Chairman Fred Hampton will also be here,

2120
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Speaker 2: and also Black Voters Matter will also be here as well.

2121
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Speaker 2: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radious

2122
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Speaker 2: locked in tight on ten ten w LB or if

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Speaker 2: you're in the family, are on fourteen fifteen w L.

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Speaker 2: All right, doctor Horney, do you remember to set a

2125
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Speaker 2: question from brother Collins about the Epstein files.

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, Madame Maxwell, her father was Jewish,

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Speaker 8: her mother was French Protestant, French jukeonot. I'm not sure

2128
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Speaker 8: of what faith traditions she chose to pursue with regard

2129
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Speaker 8: to Epstein victims voting for mister Trump. At the press

2130
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Speaker 8: conference in Washington last week in the run up to

2131
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Speaker 8: the vote on releasing those files, at least one of

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Speaker 8: the victims says that she voted for mister Trump. With

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Speaker 8: regard to mister Epstein and blackmail, it's apparent that he

2134
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Speaker 8: had a very close relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister

2135
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Speaker 8: Ahu Baraq, that Israeli Mosad agents were known to crash

2136
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Speaker 8: at his fashionable Upper East Side of Manhattan townhouse, and

2137
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Speaker 8: the Israelis also have a rather significant intelligence gathering force.

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Speaker 8: You might have heard the story from London when Benjamin Nettanna,

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Speaker 8: who visited number ten Downing Street, which is the resident

2140
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Speaker 8: of the Prime Minister, that he asked to use the bathroom,

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Speaker 8: and then after the exoded, security found a bug a

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Speaker 8: listening device in the toilet, for example. So these stories

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Speaker 8: continue to pile up, and one story that hasn't gotten

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Speaker 8: to sufficient publicity is that former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury,

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Speaker 8: Lawrence Thummer's former president of Harvard University, he was consulting

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Speaker 8: with mister Epstein and trying to seduce a self described mintee,

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Speaker 8: that is to say, a protege of his. And what's

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Speaker 8: interesting is that this protegee of was also the daughter

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Speaker 8: of a high ranking leader of the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 8: And so a lot of secrets have yet to be

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Speaker 8: exposed and uncovered, although I hope that they will be

2152
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:01,560
Speaker 8: exposed and uncovered.

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Speaker 2: Also means that Julaane's Maxwell's dad, Jordan Maxwell, died under

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Speaker 2: some suspicious circumstances as well.

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Speaker 8: He certainly did, as I recall, mister Maxwell, he somehow

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02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,000
Speaker 8: fell off his yacht. If I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 2: Right, you got named the Jelaine named after his daughter. Interesting,

2158
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Speaker 2: this is really deep what's going on with the Epstein fires.

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Speaker 2: But I think that I last call it from waldof

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Speaker 2: Brother causes onto something. But Professor Horn, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the fact that we talked about the United States thinking

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Speaker 2: about invading uh Venezuela also talking about invading Nigeria, and

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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj seems to have got into this. Your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on all this, this you know, threat to invade Nigeria.

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Speaker 8: Well, I was very disappointed with Nicki Minaj when she

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Speaker 8: showed up at the US Office at the United Nations

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Speaker 8: with the US Ambassador endorsing miss to Trump's inflame rhetoric

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Speaker 8: about invading Nigeria because of an alleged anti Christian genocide. Now,

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Speaker 8: what was curious about that is that Number one, she

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Speaker 8: has roots in Trinidad and Tobago, which has been a

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Speaker 8: major source for Pan Africanism and solidarity across the Atlantic

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Speaker 8: between amongst Africans. Recall the former comrade of the late

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Speaker 8: Man We Knew is Hrap Brown. I'm speaking of the

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Speaker 8: man we once knew, the stokely Carmichael, Recall c l R.

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Speaker 8: James Eric Williams. The list is long, and so for

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Speaker 8: her to participate in that spectacle in Manhattan was really outrageous,

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Speaker 8: not to mention the fact that I'm really concerned about

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Speaker 8: the downside consequence in the neighborhood. That is to say,

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Speaker 8: there are substantial tensions historically, at least between those of

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Speaker 8: South Asian descent African descent and Turnidad and Tobago and

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Speaker 8: Guyana in particular. Many of those of South Asian descent

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Speaker 8: are Muslim, and her comments is they're not going to

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Speaker 8: help that particular crisis. And if she's really concerned about

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Speaker 8: a supposed attack and persecution of Christians, well she should

2185
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Speaker 8: ask mister Trump about that, because mister Trump is noted

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Speaker 8: he had in the oval office former leader of al

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Speaker 8: Kaina in Syria, now a so called head of state

2188
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Speaker 8: speaking of Man we now call mister al Sharraf, and

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Speaker 8: this will probably not help Nicki Minaja's.

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Speaker 4: Career thirteen away from the top.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting what you just mentioned about the

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Speaker 2: dynamics between the Indians and the Africans. They should put

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Speaker 2: it that way, so folks that will just understand square

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Speaker 2: we'll we're talking about entering down Tobago and in Guyana.

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Speaker 2: The late doctor Reno Karashidi traveled to both those countries

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Speaker 2: quite a bit and would report on the conflicts there.

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Speaker 2: You know, people think that is so one sided. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things he told us is that even

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Speaker 2: politically one political party is dominated by the Indians and

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Speaker 2: one dominated by Africans, and this ongoing conflict between the

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Speaker 2: racial groups and those in between. And he also gave

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Speaker 2: me the name of because there's a lot of inner

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Speaker 2: marriage there the do glass. Have you heard of any

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Speaker 2: the conflict between like that in any of those two countries.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reason why I missed the doctor

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Speaker 2: Reno Kuroshii, Doctor Hornet. Have you heard any conflict still

2207
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Speaker 2: going on between the two groups in Guyana and in

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Speaker 2: Trinidad and Tobago.

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Speaker 8: Well you can trace it actually precisely back in nineteen

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Speaker 8: fifty three when Cheddi Jagen, who was of South Asian descent,

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Speaker 8: led a breakaway from the British Empire. And that's a

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Speaker 8: result the United States intentionally and consciously tried to stir

2213
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 8: up anti Asian sentiment meant amongst the black population, which

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Speaker 8: led to the rise of four Burnham, a man of

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Speaker 8: African descent who I'm afraid to say what was quite

2216
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:09,600
Speaker 8: corrupt and that obviously led to a backlash. But since

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Speaker 8: we're in the Caribbean, I shouldn't mention a story that

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02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,800
Speaker 8: has not received sufficient attention at although I'm sure it'll

2219
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Speaker 8: be discussed on this program. Just arrested in the United

2220
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Speaker 8: States were a number of Texans planned to invade Gunai,

2221
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Speaker 8: which is part of hating and believe it or not,

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Speaker 8: their plan was to execute all the men there and

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Speaker 8: then turn the women and children into slings. This is

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Speaker 8: quite startling, It's quite shocking, and I think that it

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Speaker 8: should also be a warning to many black Americans about

2226
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Speaker 8: what time it is that you have such plots being

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Speaker 8: concocted with the idea of returning to slavery.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I saw that story this morning. An interesting you know,

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Speaker 2: and start guys here, I think from Texas where they

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02:11:02,360 --> 02:11:05,760
Speaker 2: are doctor Horne, that they came up with for sure,

2232
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:09,040
Speaker 2: North Texas, Okay, and we come over to this idea

2233
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Speaker 2: start slavery all over again in Haiti. And you wonder

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Speaker 2: why there's so much chaos right now in Haiti. So

2235
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Speaker 2: you know, they will benefit from being from everything the

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02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:20,920
Speaker 2: chaos has taken place to instability in Haiti.

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Speaker 8: Well, certainly that was the plan, and as you say, correctly,

2238
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Speaker 8: it gives an idea of why there's so much chaos

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Speaker 8: in Haiti. In fact, in the nineteenth century, Haiti had

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Speaker 8: to be on guard perpetually against this notion of re

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Speaker 8: enslavement and as a result, had to spend a lot

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Speaker 8: of its treasury on the military and on the defense.

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02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:48,280
Speaker 8: And that, along with having to pay a kind of

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02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:52,600
Speaker 8: reparations to their former slave masters in France, helped to

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Speaker 8: deform the Haitian economy and Haitians is still paying the

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Speaker 8: price for that to this very day.

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Speaker 2: Not away from topic, I got a tweet tweet that

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02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,720
Speaker 2: says that Nicki Minaja's brother got twenty five years for rape.

2249
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,480
Speaker 2: Maybe she's trying to get him aparton from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: If you heard, that's why she's getting well.

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Speaker 8: I understand that there are people close to her that

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02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:15,920
Speaker 8: are looking for favors from mister Trump. And so you know,

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02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 8: mister Trump, he is for sale. There's a big for

2254
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:22,480
Speaker 8: sale line on the front door of the White House,

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Speaker 8: and if there's not, there should be. However, I think

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Speaker 8: that the downside risk of her career may out weigh

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Speaker 8: whatever benefits she can glean from mister Trump.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, it's away from the top of the

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02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 2: question about ask doctor Horn, how acurate does he believe

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Speaker 2: the new PBS Ken Burns American Revolution documentary is? And

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering, is that the same series on this seventeen

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Speaker 2: seventy six series the PBS she's doing.

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Speaker 8: I've been very critical of that series because one of

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Speaker 8: the reasons we study history is so we can gain

2265
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:06,760
Speaker 8: insight into the project. And you can watch that series

2266
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:09,960
Speaker 8: because the cows come home. I'm not sure what you'll

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02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:13,640
Speaker 8: learn about the riots of Trump and Trumpism. That is

2268
02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:16,920
Speaker 8: to say, if seventeen seventy six was still grand, how

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02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 8: do we end up with Trump? If seventeen seventy six

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02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 8: was still grand, why would there thousands of enclayed Africans

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02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:26,800
Speaker 8: in seventeen seventy six and millions on the eve of

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Speaker 8: the US Civil War? And in any case, why are

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02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:35,360
Speaker 8: they just focusing on this revolt on the Atlantic seaboard

2274
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:38,800
Speaker 8: roughly from Boston to Savannah when we all know that

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02:13:38,840 --> 02:13:42,840
Speaker 8: eventually the United States stretched through the Pacific and too Hawaii,

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02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 8: ousting indigenous nations, liquidating them, perpetuating genocide. And supposedly we're

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Speaker 8: supposed to see this as a great belief forward for humanity.

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Speaker 8: No wonder we have such cynicism in this country.

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02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:59,080
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Donald Trump and it's meeting rerecent

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02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 2: meeting with Monde who.

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Speaker 8: Won well in the since Mundani won because you saw

2282
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 8: what happened to Zelenski when he wandered into the Oval office.

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02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:12,280
Speaker 8: You saw what happened to the President of South Africa,

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02:14:12,360 --> 02:14:15,320
Speaker 8: still a rom oppose them when he was ambushed in

2285
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:20,480
Speaker 8: the Oval office. Instead, you saw mister Trump intervening when

2286
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 8: mister Mundani was asked that he still considered mister Trump

2287
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:26,880
Speaker 8: to be a fascist, although on the Sunday talk shows

2288
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:30,760
Speaker 8: yesterday Mumdani confirmed that yes, he still continues to see

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02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 8: mister Trump as a fascist, which I think is an

2290
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:38,480
Speaker 8: accurate assessment. And so it seemed for whatever reason, mister

2291
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:42,320
Speaker 8: Trump was making the concessions and mister Mumdani was willing

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02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 8: to accept the concessions. It may have something to do

2293
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 8: with the fraying magabates which bids there to turn mister

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02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:52,000
Speaker 8: Trump into a lane duck prematurely.

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Speaker 2: Did you think it has any because they need federal

2296
02:14:55,960 --> 02:14:58,920
Speaker 2: fund seasons. There's a lot of uncompleted business in New

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02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 2: York City itself. I think there's the bridge and the

2298
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:05,720
Speaker 2: tunnels that connect Manhattan to Jersey and they're holding up

2299
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:07,720
Speaker 2: the funds. Do you think that that's part of the

2300
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:10,720
Speaker 2: reason why Mandannie went to you know to Donald Trump

2301
02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:13,000
Speaker 2: and don Tevsky's pointing out that he asked for them,

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Speaker 2: that man Donnie asked for the meeting.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think there are a number of visues. There's

2304
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:23,240
Speaker 8: the fear that mister Trump will send National Guard personnel

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Speaker 8: into the streets of New York City like he's done

2306
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:30,800
Speaker 8: in Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, d C. Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 8: New Orleans is next on the list. And speaking of that,

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02:15:35,240 --> 02:15:38,600
Speaker 8: we should not let another second pass without mentioning that

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Speaker 8: the mayor of Chicago, Mayor Johnson, has suggested that the

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Speaker 8: United Nations should investigate the United States for human rights violations.

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Speaker 8: What we need now is for the mayor of these

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02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:55,200
Speaker 8: aforementioned cities, particularly Los Angeles and particularly I would say

2313
02:15:55,280 --> 02:16:01,360
Speaker 8: Charlotte and New Orleans as well, to endorse Mayor Johnson's

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02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:04,839
Speaker 8: bold initiative. And then we need the African American Mayor's

2315
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 8: Association to do the same because this could be potentially significant,

2316
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:14,040
Speaker 8: because we obviously need to reconnect with our brothers and

2317
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:17,280
Speaker 8: sisters across the planet in order to beat back the

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Speaker 8: Trump attack.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you went there because I think it was

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Speaker 2: this morning we discussed it. Kevin We talked about the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Blue States and the Red States and

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02:16:26,440 --> 02:16:30,240
Speaker 2: the California's economy is the fourth largest and the entire world.

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Speaker 2: What would happen Or is the possibility, doctor Horne, that

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Speaker 2: the states like California, New York, Illinois just hold back

2325
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Speaker 2: the money instead of sending it to the to the

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Speaker 2: federal treasury and they keep the money themselves and govern

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Speaker 2: their territories. Is that a possibility or is that too

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02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:49,119
Speaker 2: far Fastings? They're being punished on the other side by

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. I think

2331
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 8: what these Blue states are banking on is making a

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02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:03,199
Speaker 8: comeback in November twenty twenty six, and as of now,

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Speaker 8: it looks like they will particularly to give them the

2334
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Speaker 8: result in November twenty twenty five when the Republicans lost

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02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:16,480
Speaker 8: the golubinatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia lost the

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02:17:16,520 --> 02:17:21,240
Speaker 8: congressional redistricting battle in the state of California. So I

2337
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:24,560
Speaker 8: think that they're banking on reclaiming power in the House

2338
02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:32,119
Speaker 8: and then blockading mister Trump's initiatives, perhaps launching a number

2339
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:35,359
Speaker 8: of investigations and mister Trump and all of his corruption

2340
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 8: and it happens so frequently it's hard to keep track of.

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Speaker 2: And again I have to responded shore we get back

2342
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:45,360
Speaker 2: because we got to take a short break. But Todd Horn,

2343
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:46,960
Speaker 2: do you think that you really think that Donald Trump

2344
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 2: is going to leave office when his term is up?

2345
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:50,640
Speaker 2: And I'll let you respond when we get back. We

2346
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:52,400
Speaker 2: got to stake the break, as I mentioned, so our

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02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 2: stations can identify themselves down the line. Family, thanks for

2348
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:57,160
Speaker 2: rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting

2349
02:17:57,160 --> 02:17:59,119
Speaker 2: your week with us. You got a question for our guess,

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02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:01,240
Speaker 2: the doctor Jerald Horne from the University of Houston. Reach

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Speaker 2: out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

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Speaker 2: eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls next

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Speaker 2: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 2: I guess is doctor Gerald Horne from the University of Houston.

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Speaker 2: He's an African American and African history professor at the

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Speaker 2: University of Houston. Before we left though the question, and

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Speaker 2: he's also an attorney. I should always mention that because

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Speaker 2: before we left to asking the prospects of Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: refusing to leave office going with some idea that requires

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Speaker 2: martial law and legally if he can do that. So

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Speaker 2: that's my question for you, doctor Horne.

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Speaker 8: Well, legally can he do it? That's sadly an open

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Speaker 8: question after the Supreme Court decision last year which basically

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Speaker 8: gave him cart lunch to commit crimes if he can

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Speaker 8: somehow spend it as being part of his official duties.

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Speaker 8: In the current issue of the British weekly of The Economist,

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Speaker 8: there's an article by Harvard law professor Jack Goldsmith and

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Speaker 8: former Obama administration lawyer Bob Bauer which raises precisely the

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Speaker 8: prosper act of mister Trump seeking to disrupt the November

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty sixth election because of the fear that the

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Speaker 8: GOP will lose impounding ballot boxes. For example, he had

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Speaker 8: to get re elected in twenty twenty four in order

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Speaker 8: to avoid prison. He may decide to try to stay

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Speaker 8: on after November twenty twenty eight for the same reason.

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Speaker 8: And once again it brings me back to that Ken

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Speaker 8: Burns documentary. If the United States revolt against Britain was

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Speaker 8: such a grand event, the most significant event this perth

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Speaker 8: of Jesus Christ, according to the filmmaker, which of course

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Speaker 8: is an insult to Islam, not to mention an insult

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Speaker 8: to the inventions like mass electricity, the printing press, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: History should provide insight into the present, and that's where

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Speaker 8: that documentary and a good deal of historiography failed.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Horn got a tweek question for it's almost like

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Speaker 2: a letter, so just rolling me on this. It says,

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Speaker 2: during last week and over the weekend, there were about

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Speaker 2: six Democratic Congressional legislators former military that put out a

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Speaker 2: social media message advising current service person not to obey

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Speaker 2: any illicit military orders put forth by the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: And the twetter goes on to say, can you ask

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Speaker 2: doctor Horn the following, does he feel these legislators preemptively

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Speaker 2: received intel that Trump was planning something the farious? These letters,

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Speaker 2: they just want to beat Trump to the punch, that's

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Speaker 2: one question, he says. If so, is this in relation

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine, Venezuela or Operation Swamp Suite in New Orleans?

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Speaker 2: And lastly, did doctor Horn take a residence in Canada

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Speaker 2: or is just that a rumor?

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Speaker 5: You said?

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Speaker 8: Did I take a bresident in Canada?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the last part.

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Speaker 8: Canada for most of the year, but unfortunately I had

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Speaker 8: to return because I couldn't get the immigration papers straight.

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Speaker 8: But in any case, with regard to those six representatives,

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Speaker 8: what they were saying is actually what service personnel are

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Speaker 8: told in training, that not only can you disobey an

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Speaker 8: illegal order, you must disobey an a legal order. And

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Speaker 8: I speculate that it has something to do with Venezuela,

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02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:26,520
Speaker 8: particularly the blowing up of these fishermen in open waters.

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02:21:26,959 --> 02:21:30,360
Speaker 8: Recalled that one of the top military leaders in the

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Speaker 8: United States military just resigned. He was supposed to get

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Speaker 8: the tip of the spear with regard to this attack

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Speaker 8: on Venezuela, which has led to all manner of speculation.

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Speaker 8: But I can't speculate any further with regard to what

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Speaker 8: was on the minds of these representatives when they called

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Speaker 8: out mister trump Wood, by the way, suggested that they

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Speaker 8: should be hanged.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: I remember that statement that he made for after the

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Speaker 2: top l with doctor Horn eight hundred and four or

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Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy six schedule and to speak

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Speaker 2: with him, brother Gregor checking him from Charlotte in North

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Speaker 2: Carolina's online to grand Rising, Brother Gregory, your question for

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Speaker 2: doctor Horn.

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Speaker 16: Yes, gran Rodsen brother called grin doctor Horn.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I code him with this question regarding the issue of

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Speaker 16: the Trump executive order regarding birthright citizenship, and first, doctor Horn,

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Speaker 16: I was wondering if you could provide some background history

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Speaker 16: of birthright citizenship as a part of the Civil War

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Speaker 16: Amendments Fourteenth Amendments, Section one, and also if you could

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Speaker 16: explain some of the implications if this issue that has

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02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:39,320
Speaker 16: been raised by Trump and his people works its way

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02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 16: to the Supreme Court and Chief Justice John Roberts has

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Speaker 16: the opportunity to possibly redefine citizenship in the United States,

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Speaker 16: could you discuss the implications for black people if that happens,

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Speaker 16: and if the possibility of that happening with this Trump

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02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:59,119
Speaker 16: executive order regarding birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 8: So as you correctly suggest, the Fourteenth Amendment a posts

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02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:11,080
Speaker 8: US Civil War constitutional amendment in codes birthright citizenship. It

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02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:15,359
Speaker 8: was designed to overthrow the notorious eighteen fifty seventh Supreme

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Speaker 8: Court case of the dread Scott case, which of course

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02:23:21,560 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 8: was engineered by the Marylander who served as Chief Justice.

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02:23:26,480 --> 02:23:30,440
Speaker 8: Speaking of Roger Taney, the dread Scott case that the

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02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:35,959
Speaker 8: black people cannot be citizens. The Fourteenth Amendment supposedly overturned

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Speaker 8: dred Scott. If birthright citizenship under the fourteenth Amendment in

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Speaker 8: turn is overturned.

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Speaker 13: What does that.

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02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:50,040
Speaker 8: Say about dread Scott is it back? In effect? This

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02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 8: is all very dangerous, needless to say, And it would

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Speaker 8: not surprise me at all if the so called original

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Speaker 8: one who occupy the majority of the Supreme Court would

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Speaker 8: decide to overlook and override the plain language of the

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Speaker 8: fourteenth Amenber and decide once again to go along with

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Speaker 8: Mster Trump. Do not be so shocked nor surprise if

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Speaker 8: that occurred.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 16: Thank you for that explanation, doctor Horn. And one more

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Speaker 16: thing I wanted to add is I was doing some

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02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:25,440
Speaker 16: research and I had found two Googles that I like

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02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:28,600
Speaker 16: to provide to you and the audience. The first one

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02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:35,520
Speaker 16: is Trump National Citizenship Database, and I found several articles

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02:24:35,560 --> 02:24:39,279
Speaker 16: that the Trump administration has already created, for the first

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Speaker 16: time in the United States history, a national citizenship database,

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Speaker 16: and this could be used to basically define another form

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Speaker 16: of citizenship in the future after the Supreme Court makes

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02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:55,959
Speaker 16: this ruling regarding that executive order. And the second google

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Speaker 16: is if you've heard about this, if you could explain it.

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Speaker 16: The google is prompt Office of Remigration.

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Speaker 11: It's R E.

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Speaker 10: M I G R A T IO.

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Speaker 16: N Office of Remigration, and this is a new department

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Speaker 16: in the State Department that talks about not just deporting immigrants,

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Speaker 16: but possibly deporting nine assimilated American citizens.

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Speaker 12: To other countries like in Africa.

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Speaker 10: Could you come in on those two googles, doctor Horn.

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Speaker 8: Well, once again, we should not be shocked nor surprised

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02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:35,640
Speaker 8: if those assertions you make turn out to be valid,

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02:25:35,640 --> 02:25:41,200
Speaker 8: because right now as we speak, you see undocumented workers

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02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 8: being deported to East Swatini and Southern Africa, although they

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02:25:44,959 --> 02:25:48,000
Speaker 8: never had any connection to the country. A man of

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02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:52,360
Speaker 8: Jamaican ancestry was amongst those who were sent there. Some

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02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:58,039
Speaker 8: are being deported to Rwanda, for example. And historically there's

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02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:01,600
Speaker 8: been a long standing effort the house the black population

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Speaker 8: of the United States of America. Therein you begin to

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Speaker 8: understand the history of the West African country of Liberia,

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02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:14,279
Speaker 8: which came into being about two centuries ago, principally promoted,

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Speaker 8: as I pointed out in my book on Washington, DC,

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Speaker 8: by the leaders of Meryl who thought that after the

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Speaker 8: War of eighteen twelve there were too many free Negroes

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Speaker 8: who sided with the British invaders not to mention its

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02:26:27,879 --> 02:26:30,800
Speaker 8: slave Africans. And so the idea was to send them

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Speaker 8: all to Liberia. Then after the net Turner Slaver vote

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Speaker 8: of August eighteen thirty one, the idea was to send

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Speaker 8: disgruntled Negroes to Liberia. And then when mister Lincoln came

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Speaker 8: to office in the eighteen sixties, he was trying to

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Speaker 8: convince black people in Washington, in particular to accept emancipation.

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Speaker 8: Then expatoration that it's to say we'll free you, but

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Speaker 8: you've got to go. And then at the end of

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Speaker 8: the nineteenth century, after the United States to why, the

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02:27:00,879 --> 02:27:04,080
Speaker 8: idea was to send US Negroes to Awaii. And then

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Speaker 8: after they waste war on the Philippines, the idea was

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Speaker 8: to send US Negroes to the Philippines. So we're just

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02:27:11,400 --> 02:27:14,400
Speaker 8: seeing the revival of old ideas.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell man a question for you, doctor Harnt.

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Speaker 4: I thank you.

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02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Gregory ten halfter the top. The implication of what Gregory

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02:27:20,840 --> 02:27:25,119
Speaker 2: is saying, is it possible that they could strip African

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02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:29,400
Speaker 2: Americans of citizenship or blacks because of the fourteenth Amendment?

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02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:32,360
Speaker 2: Is that a possibility that the Supreme Court would go

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Speaker 2: along with it. You mentioned they'd rub a stamp. Everything

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02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:37,039
Speaker 2: that he does is that where Gregory was going.

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Speaker 4: With all this.

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Speaker 8: I assume that's where he was going. And as you

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02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:43,360
Speaker 8: have already indicated that the Supreme Court tends to rub

2514
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:46,560
Speaker 8: this down whatever Kakamami idea mister Trump comes up with.

2515
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:49,800
Speaker 8: And so in light of what we just reported about

2516
02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:55,040
Speaker 8: Haiti in terms of these Texas trying to reinsert slavery

2517
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:58,320
Speaker 8: and Haiti, I don't think that anything is basically off

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02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:00,000
Speaker 8: the table out of bounds right now.

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02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:02,480
Speaker 2: All right, got another tweet for you at eleven a

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02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:04,360
Speaker 2: half the top. Its quite a long sort, so stay

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02:28:04,360 --> 02:28:07,000
Speaker 2: with me on this one, doctor Lorne, he says, Grant rising,

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02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:10,680
Speaker 2: doctor Horne. With the Trumpet government advancing the Project twenty

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02:28:10,760 --> 02:28:13,880
Speaker 2: twenty five agenda, and Corporate America laying off and firing

2524
02:28:13,959 --> 02:28:16,120
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people in the name of saving

2525
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:20,840
Speaker 2: money on production by AI, with those actions expanding poverty

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02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:24,800
Speaker 2: and joblessness. At what point will the billionaire employers recognize

2527
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:28,040
Speaker 2: that their broad sweeping efforts have and will continue to

2528
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:31,360
Speaker 2: contract the economy and therefore the corporate bottom line because

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02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:34,840
Speaker 2: they're eliminating their own buyers from the marketplace. Is their

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02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:37,959
Speaker 2: greed that blind? What is their endgame? And how does

2531
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:41,199
Speaker 2: this make economic sense, and what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: That's the question.

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Speaker 8: Is there greed that blind? The short answer is yet.

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02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:51,760
Speaker 8: In other words, they're speaking of these corporate moguls, each

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02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:55,560
Speaker 8: are pursuing their own narrow interests. They're not looking at

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02:28:55,560 --> 02:28:59,240
Speaker 8: the wider picture that's where the state and the White

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02:28:59,240 --> 02:29:02,520
Speaker 8: House is supposed to come into being. Are, in other words,

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02:29:02,520 --> 02:29:06,640
Speaker 8: looking out for the entire economy. But obviously that's a

2539
02:29:06,760 --> 02:29:09,440
Speaker 8: fantas thing when you're talking about mister Trump as the

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02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:12,240
Speaker 8: head of state and the head of government. And so

2541
02:29:13,240 --> 02:29:15,760
Speaker 8: it's clear that right now it's things stand. The United

2542
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:18,840
Speaker 8: States has headed for an iceberg. The business press is

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02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:25,439
Speaker 8: replete with stories about over investment and artificial intelligence, particularly

2544
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:30,400
Speaker 8: when we know that China. According to Jensen Wang of Nvidia,

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02:29:30,480 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 8: which has been one of the major winners in the

2546
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:39,800
Speaker 8: United States of this artificial intelligence boondoggle, he says that

2547
02:29:39,959 --> 02:29:43,240
Speaker 8: China is ahead and is likely to prevail. At the

2548
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:48,000
Speaker 8: same time, where you see meta Facebook investing bigions, Google

2549
02:29:48,360 --> 02:29:54,440
Speaker 8: investing bigions, Microsoft investing billions, something is awry here.

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02:29:56,200 --> 02:29:59,080
Speaker 2: And also we're seeing that Elon Musk is back in

2551
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,680
Speaker 2: the White House, if you can talk about him for

2552
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:05,119
Speaker 2: a minute, because he was under pressure from the people

2553
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 2: that Tesla people, the carmaker that he runs, and he

2554
02:30:08,840 --> 02:30:11,200
Speaker 2: prompts them wouldn't get involved in government. So they gave

2555
02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:13,920
Speaker 2: him a new contract, oms a trillion dollar contract, and

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02:30:14,200 --> 02:30:17,200
Speaker 2: right after that he goes well, well, he turns up

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Speaker 2: in the White House at the Saudi Arabia leaders meeting

2558
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 2: and also he says he's having a dog a meeting

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02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:28,240
Speaker 2: with his doose friends in Austin, Texas. Did the first

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02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:31,680
Speaker 2: the investors in his company who he promised he wouldn't

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02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,680
Speaker 2: get involved in poltics? Did they get played? And he

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02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,680
Speaker 2: got that trillion dollars from them, and that's what he wanted.

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Speaker 2: And too, do you see him going back into politics

2564
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:41,480
Speaker 2: since he was there with a SATI group or is

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02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:44,600
Speaker 2: he just just angling just to try for his business interests.

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Speaker 8: Well, it seems to be the latter. Part of the

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02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:51,320
Speaker 8: takeaway from the visit of the Saudi leader to the

2568
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:54,280
Speaker 8: Oval Office, it's that the United States is going to

2569
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:59,560
Speaker 8: allow more investment and artificial intelligence in Saudi Arabia itself,

2570
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:03,120
Speaker 8: and that's where Elon Musk plans to profit, because he

2571
02:31:03,160 --> 02:31:07,039
Speaker 8: too is investing heavily in that sphere. But I think

2572
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:10,680
Speaker 8: One of the revealing aspects of this Trigon dollar pay

2573
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:16,160
Speaker 8: package that mister Elon Musk has received is that I

2574
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:21,000
Speaker 8: expected more outcry given the crisis of everyday living in

2575
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:24,920
Speaker 8: this country, the affordability crisis, and yet here you have

2576
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:28,960
Speaker 8: one man getting a pay package that is larger than

2577
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:33,439
Speaker 8: the GDP the economy of a number of smaller countries,

2578
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:37,080
Speaker 8: for example, and yet there doesn't seem to be that

2579
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,320
Speaker 8: much concern about it.

2580
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:43,200
Speaker 2: And having said that, we saw them. There's some they

2581
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,560
Speaker 2: say it's a civil war in the MAGA group. They

2582
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:48,680
Speaker 2: talk about Trump not being for America, is being for

2583
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:53,200
Speaker 2: everybody else when he said America first. Do you think

2584
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:55,880
Speaker 2: there's any merit to that. What's going on between the

2585
02:31:56,720 --> 02:32:03,720
Speaker 2: MAGA group and the rank of filgy about Donald Trump's performance, Well, I.

2586
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:07,320
Speaker 8: Think it's a serious rip. It's a serious split, particularly

2587
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:12,480
Speaker 8: between the Zionists and the pro Nazi faction, if you like,

2588
02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:18,720
Speaker 8: of the GOP that was all ways on his unsteady marriage.

2589
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:21,480
Speaker 8: It was bound to lead to a crack up, and

2590
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:22,440
Speaker 8: that's happening now.

2591
02:32:22,959 --> 02:32:23,240
Speaker 9: Now.

2592
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:28,599
Speaker 8: I think it will probably weaken mister Trump's poll numbers.

2593
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:32,199
Speaker 8: But as you know, mister Trump is like a cat

2594
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:36,680
Speaker 8: with nine lives. He's been able to survive scandal after scandal.

2595
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:41,280
Speaker 8: Recall what happened during the twenty sixteen campaign when he

2596
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:43,960
Speaker 8: was talking about grabbing the private parts of women. Many

2597
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:46,920
Speaker 8: thought that that would be the end of this candidacy.

2598
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:48,959
Speaker 8: Not only was it not the end, he wind up

2599
02:32:49,240 --> 02:32:53,439
Speaker 8: winning the election. So it's premature to dance on his grave.

2600
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Having said that. Fifteen at the top, and let me

2601
02:32:56,600 --> 02:32:58,520
Speaker 2: just tell your family, this is doctor Gerald Horny. I

2602
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:01,680
Speaker 2: guess doctor horn mentioned the Zionists that are upset because

2603
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:05,280
Speaker 2: they've they've been I guess now discriminated against in the

2604
02:33:05,440 --> 02:33:07,880
Speaker 2: in the Magat group and in parts of the GOP.

2605
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:12,040
Speaker 2: But they've also turned out off the Progressives and the Democrats.

2606
02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:14,720
Speaker 2: So they're basically many of them and then many of

2607
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:18,280
Speaker 2: them with money are in no no land. What hamms

2608
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:18,640
Speaker 2: to them.

2609
02:33:19,400 --> 02:33:21,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, they really pintied themselves into a corner.

2610
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:23,760
Speaker 1: As you have.

2611
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:29,160
Speaker 8: Suggested correctly, they've gone after mister Mumdanni with hammer and tum.

2612
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:32,760
Speaker 8: The ADL, the Anti Defamation League of the Nay Britain,

2613
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:37,080
Speaker 8: a mad designist organization, set up a kind of hip line,

2614
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:41,640
Speaker 8: the Mumdani Monitor, where employees of the City of New

2615
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:45,240
Speaker 8: York who suspect that they've been subjected to what they

2616
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:49,920
Speaker 8: call anti Semitism should drop a dime on mister Mumdani

2617
02:33:50,400 --> 02:33:54,000
Speaker 8: and whoever's working for him. They really need to go

2618
02:33:54,120 --> 02:33:59,320
Speaker 8: through it agonizing reappraisal because they alienated the left, they're

2619
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:02,600
Speaker 8: alienating the right, and they painted themselves into a.

2620
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:06,480
Speaker 2: Corner seventeen at the top that we got to take

2621
02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:08,480
Speaker 2: a short we come back though. Let's let's go back

2622
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:10,720
Speaker 2: to the continent. Family, you want to join this discussion

2623
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:13,760
Speaker 2: with our guest, doctor doctor Gerald Hon. Doctor Horne is

2624
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:15,720
Speaker 2: one of the smartest brothers out there. He's writing two

2625
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:17,720
Speaker 2: or three books at one time. He's got several books out.

2626
02:34:17,720 --> 02:34:19,680
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about him about his books before

2627
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:21,560
Speaker 2: he leaves us as well. But you could have a

2628
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:23,039
Speaker 2: chance to speak to him right now. All you got

2629
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:24,640
Speaker 2: to do is doll us up at eight hundred four

2630
02:34:24,760 --> 02:34:27,680
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take your phone

2631
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:30,480
Speaker 2: calls and grind rising. Family. Thanks for staying with us

2632
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:32,200
Speaker 2: and an't just starting your week with us. I guess

2633
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:35,720
Speaker 2: there's doctor jeryld Horn for the University of Houston. We're

2634
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:37,760
Speaker 2: going to go to the content but let's stop first before

2635
02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:39,720
Speaker 2: we go to the count Let's stop on Wall Street,

2636
02:34:40,320 --> 02:34:42,680
Speaker 2: doctor Horn, what's going on with Econnor. We can't get

2637
02:34:42,680 --> 02:34:44,879
Speaker 2: a good reading of the economy because the government was

2638
02:34:44,879 --> 02:34:48,040
Speaker 2: shut down, so we don't know the unemployment ras for example,

2639
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,400
Speaker 2: we don't know. And they're waiting to know where they're

2640
02:34:50,400 --> 02:34:52,480
Speaker 2: going to raise or drop interest racis don't They don't

2641
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:55,680
Speaker 2: have enough I guess enough elements to work with the

2642
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:58,560
Speaker 2: come up with the conclusion, are we in a recession?

2643
02:34:58,600 --> 02:35:00,480
Speaker 2: We don't know. He keeps saying that he's Biden's and

2644
02:35:00,520 --> 02:35:02,720
Speaker 2: Connie plays everything on Joe Biden, and then we hear

2645
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:05,000
Speaker 2: the crypto is about to crash, and if he does,

2646
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:08,400
Speaker 2: it's just going to erode Trump's family's wealth. At He's

2647
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:11,520
Speaker 2: built a love wealth with him and his family on cryptocurrency.

2648
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:15,840
Speaker 2: So can you answer those financial questions for us, Well.

2649
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:18,720
Speaker 8: Only look at what mister Trump is doing and you'll

2650
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:22,920
Speaker 8: get an idea of what's happening. For example, he calls

2651
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:27,880
Speaker 8: himself tariff Man, but because of the rise in groceries,

2652
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:32,039
Speaker 8: he's felt compelled to roll back tariffs on coffee from Brazil.

2653
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:37,080
Speaker 8: For example. He's rolled back of the tariffs concerning food items,

2654
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:43,160
Speaker 8: he's feeling the heat. Obviously, with regard to other ideas,

2655
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:47,879
Speaker 8: they're really bordering on lunacy. For example, a fifty year mortgage,

2656
02:35:48,320 --> 02:35:54,119
Speaker 8: which basically turns your bank into your banker into your landlord,

2657
02:35:54,600 --> 02:35:58,039
Speaker 8: and so you miss a mortgage payment for example, on

2658
02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:01,520
Speaker 8: that fifty year mortgage, could find yourself out on the street.

2659
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:04,560
Speaker 8: I don't think that that dog is going to hunt.

2660
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:09,560
Speaker 8: With regard to AI, we've already referenced the fact that

2661
02:36:09,560 --> 02:36:12,920
Speaker 8: that bubble should be bursting at any moment. He may

2662
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:18,200
Speaker 8: burst today, for example, which would call for, in mister

2663
02:36:18,200 --> 02:36:21,960
Speaker 8: Trump's eyes, a government bailout. You should also expect a

2664
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:26,520
Speaker 8: possible government bailout with regard to Crypto, which, as you

2665
02:36:26,600 --> 02:36:31,000
Speaker 8: correctly suggest, mister Trump's family has invested heavily in Recall

2666
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:35,480
Speaker 8: that before they've invested heavily. He was very critical of

2667
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:39,800
Speaker 8: that whole crypto phenomena. But now he's become an evangelist

2668
02:36:39,800 --> 02:36:43,720
Speaker 8: for crypto. But crypto is in the process of crashing,

2669
02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:47,800
Speaker 8: and that does not bode well with the overall US economy.

2670
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:50,440
Speaker 2: Twenty three out the top. Now, it's just like Kasheba

2671
02:36:50,480 --> 02:36:52,800
Speaker 2: sending a questions in Silver Spring. She says, do you

2672
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:57,080
Speaker 2: think AI will be running parts of the government and

2673
02:36:57,320 --> 02:36:58,920
Speaker 2: especially the executive branch.

2674
02:37:00,840 --> 02:37:04,280
Speaker 8: Well, I think as a tool it will be used

2675
02:37:04,280 --> 02:37:07,439
Speaker 8: by the government already. You see that happening in Albania,

2676
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:11,680
Speaker 8: the country in southeastern Europe, for example, and I think

2677
02:37:11,720 --> 02:37:15,240
Speaker 8: that that's just an indication of what's to come. But

2678
02:37:15,440 --> 02:37:20,080
Speaker 8: I think AI really presents a mortal threatened danger to

2679
02:37:20,200 --> 02:37:25,560
Speaker 8: middle management, for example. It presents a mortal threatened danger

2680
02:37:26,120 --> 02:37:29,320
Speaker 8: the people at the lower level on Wall Street, or

2681
02:37:29,400 --> 02:37:32,640
Speaker 8: people at the lower level and big law firms, because

2682
02:37:32,920 --> 02:37:38,879
Speaker 8: what those folks are doing, artificial intelligence can probably do

2683
02:37:39,240 --> 02:37:43,360
Speaker 8: more cheaply, and of course they don't call in sick

2684
02:37:43,480 --> 02:37:47,280
Speaker 8: on Monday morning, for example. Speaking of AI. So this

2685
02:37:48,360 --> 02:37:52,320
Speaker 8: economy is really due for a rough roller coaster ride,

2686
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:56,480
Speaker 8: and the victims are going to be many of our neighbors.

2687
02:37:57,640 --> 02:38:00,360
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm glad you went there with AI because we

2688
02:38:00,400 --> 02:38:02,640
Speaker 2: talked about Elon Musk and that's the money that he

2689
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,280
Speaker 2: wants to invest in. Is robots. Is robots are going

2690
02:38:05,320 --> 02:38:08,240
Speaker 2: to replace human beings. But Donald Trump is saying these

2691
02:38:08,320 --> 02:38:10,760
Speaker 2: jobs that were left the country are coming back. Who's

2692
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:11,480
Speaker 2: telling the truth.

2693
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:15,720
Speaker 8: Well, Donald Trump clearly is not telling the truth. Do

2694
02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:19,000
Speaker 8: not expect these jobs to come back to the United

2695
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:23,560
Speaker 8: States of America. That's a fantasy. He must be smoking

2696
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 8: the drapes in the Oval Office in order to believe

2697
02:38:26,280 --> 02:38:30,600
Speaker 8: that nonsense. And I'm afraid to say that many of

2698
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:34,120
Speaker 8: the supporters in the Maga Bass Ultimately, I think that's

2699
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:38,959
Speaker 8: what's leading to their anxiety is anxiety about the state

2700
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:39,560
Speaker 8: of economy.

2701
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:40,640
Speaker 7: You saw that in that.

2702
02:38:42,120 --> 02:38:45,560
Speaker 8: Messages that went viral from March Retail and Green where

2703
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:50,920
Speaker 8: in resigning from Congress she called out big pharma, neo

2704
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:56,320
Speaker 8: cons the military industrial complex. But undergirding it all, underpinning

2705
02:38:56,360 --> 02:38:59,920
Speaker 8: at all, is an anxiety about what's happening to her base.

2706
02:39:00,400 --> 02:39:02,600
Speaker 8: The problem with her is that she has no answer.

2707
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:03,640
Speaker 8: She has no remedy.

2708
02:39:05,640 --> 02:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah at twenty five the top of that doctor one.

2709
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:11,560
Speaker 2: Also the farmers, you know, the black farmers are getting

2710
02:39:12,040 --> 02:39:16,400
Speaker 2: messed over, and now the white farmers, especially the soybean farmers.

2711
02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:18,880
Speaker 2: What do you see happening there? Are they going to

2712
02:39:18,920 --> 02:39:19,640
Speaker 2: get a bail.

2713
02:39:19,400 --> 02:39:19,959
Speaker 4: Out as well?

2714
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:25,000
Speaker 8: It's possible, but it may be too late. Mister Trump,

2715
02:39:25,360 --> 02:39:28,959
Speaker 8: once again, it's acting in a contradictory fashion. That is

2716
02:39:29,000 --> 02:39:33,560
Speaker 8: to say, he provided a multi bigion dollar bailout to Argentina,

2717
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:38,960
Speaker 8: to the government, and Argentina repaid the favor by unleashing

2718
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:42,680
Speaker 8: their soy being farmers on Chinese markets, and they began

2719
02:39:42,840 --> 02:39:48,360
Speaker 8: to purloin and steal markets in China that previously have

2720
02:39:48,480 --> 02:39:52,280
Speaker 8: belonged to Midwestern soy being farmers. I think in the

2721
02:39:52,280 --> 02:39:55,920
Speaker 8: next few months you're going to see record bankruptcies in

2722
02:39:55,959 --> 02:40:00,840
Speaker 8: the farming sector. For example, their land will be bought up,

2723
02:40:01,720 --> 02:40:05,400
Speaker 8: and you may see them in the unemployment line.

2724
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:10,879
Speaker 2: Ironically, many of them are Trumpsters, though of course they're trumpsters.

2725
02:40:12,680 --> 02:40:15,560
Speaker 8: Look, I mean, there's a lot of backwardness in this country.

2726
02:40:16,320 --> 02:40:21,240
Speaker 8: People routinely vote against their own interests, and we should

2727
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:23,440
Speaker 8: not expect that to end anytime soon.

2728
02:40:25,560 --> 02:40:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that. Well, what about the black folks.

2729
02:40:27,560 --> 02:40:30,360
Speaker 2: It was still stuck in the Magat crowd. There's still

2730
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:32,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of I know, some of agents, some of

2731
02:40:32,200 --> 02:40:35,040
Speaker 2: them are getting paid, but some of them have they

2732
02:40:35,080 --> 02:40:37,840
Speaker 2: low information voters. Then how do you see them?

2733
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:40,720
Speaker 8: Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.

2734
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:43,640
Speaker 8: Many of them are low information voters. Many of them

2735
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:48,760
Speaker 8: are hustlers. Many of them are like Senator Tim Scott

2736
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:52,840
Speaker 8: South Carolina Byron Donald's of Florida, who feel that they

2737
02:40:52,879 --> 02:40:57,600
Speaker 8: can personally profit by hopping aboard the Trump train. But

2738
02:40:57,720 --> 02:41:01,560
Speaker 8: what they need to understand is that the Trump train

2739
02:41:01,640 --> 02:41:05,000
Speaker 8: has set up for a serious train work which will

2740
02:41:05,080 --> 02:41:07,400
Speaker 8: lead few intact.

2741
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:10,040
Speaker 2: Twenty eight at the top of that with doctor Jerald

2742
02:41:10,040 --> 02:41:13,720
Speaker 2: Horn Bees checking in from Atlanta Online one Online, three

2743
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:15,720
Speaker 2: pardon me at Grand Rise and b You're on with

2744
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:16,560
Speaker 2: doctor Horn.

2745
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:20,680
Speaker 17: Grand Rounds and Bibla called ground Rounds and Barbara Jerald

2746
02:41:20,720 --> 02:41:24,480
Speaker 17: Horn If you don't mind, can you elaborate on the

2747
02:41:24,520 --> 02:41:28,880
Speaker 17: difficulties you have acquiring your immigration papers in Canada. I

2748
02:41:28,879 --> 02:41:30,440
Speaker 17: think many of us are like to know just some

2749
02:41:30,560 --> 02:41:34,160
Speaker 17: of the hurdles one may face to try to find

2750
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:36,520
Speaker 17: a new home or find a new place of revenue

2751
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:38,920
Speaker 17: during this chaos. And I hope you the team have

2752
02:41:38,959 --> 02:41:42,000
Speaker 17: an our Standing Day ancestor team throughout your insight and wisdom.

2753
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:43,480
Speaker 17: Thank you at Outstanding Day.

2754
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:43,840
Speaker 8: Brother.

2755
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:45,920
Speaker 10: Well.

2756
02:41:46,280 --> 02:41:49,879
Speaker 8: Canada has a point system with regard to accepting immigrants.

2757
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:52,000
Speaker 8: Now I was not able to come up with enough

2758
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:56,200
Speaker 8: enough points. For example, they do not necessarily favor people

2759
02:41:56,920 --> 02:41:59,600
Speaker 8: in my age group because they feel that people like

2760
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:02,240
Speaker 8: myself just want to come to Canada. For the free healthcare,

2761
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:05,840
Speaker 8: which actually there is something to that I must confess.

2762
02:42:06,280 --> 02:42:09,680
Speaker 8: And then they get points to those who are fluent

2763
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:13,920
Speaker 8: in French. I read French, but I'm not fluent in

2764
02:42:13,959 --> 02:42:16,760
Speaker 8: the language. And that was a demerit against my record

2765
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:17,560
Speaker 8: as well.

2766
02:42:19,800 --> 02:42:23,400
Speaker 2: All right, thanks b speaking about that though, Uh let

2767
02:42:23,440 --> 02:42:25,640
Speaker 2: me we'll take another call twenty eight after the top. Now,

2768
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Jason joining us from New York is say stay with

2769
02:42:29,080 --> 02:42:31,920
Speaker 2: us on New York. Kevin, I just said, all these

2770
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:37,000
Speaker 2: lines are stry. Okay, maybe Jay hung up? Is he

2771
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:37,720
Speaker 2: still like Kevin?

2772
02:42:40,320 --> 02:42:41,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Oh okay, Sorry by that, Jay.

2773
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:45,000
Speaker 2: We wanted to hear what your question for doctor Hornwood,

2774
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:48,039
Speaker 2: Doctor Hornt You know you talked about immigration. You talk

2775
02:42:48,040 --> 02:42:51,680
Speaker 2: about the problems that you know Canada, what about the continent.

2776
02:42:51,959 --> 02:42:54,560
Speaker 2: Let's go to the content now. Is it easier or

2777
02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:57,160
Speaker 2: should you or should we consider, you know, all the

2778
02:42:57,240 --> 02:43:00,760
Speaker 2: problems that look looking ahead of us. Should we consider,

2779
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:04,959
Speaker 2: you know, migrating to the content either as a short

2780
02:43:05,080 --> 02:43:09,400
Speaker 2: term you know, effort or full time? How do you

2781
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:10,200
Speaker 2: say the content?

2782
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:11,040
Speaker 7: Well?

2783
02:43:11,080 --> 02:43:13,920
Speaker 8: Sure, I mean, but of course it should be investigated

2784
02:43:13,959 --> 02:43:19,400
Speaker 8: beforehand because many of these African nations, Caribbean nations, they

2785
02:43:19,400 --> 02:43:22,240
Speaker 8: have problems of their own, and so you should have

2786
02:43:22,440 --> 02:43:25,880
Speaker 8: some sort of financial stash in hand. If you're planning

2787
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:31,920
Speaker 8: to migrate to a foreign country, you should be obviously

2788
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:36,840
Speaker 8: conversant in the language or a language of the country

2789
02:43:36,879 --> 02:43:42,280
Speaker 8: to which you're residing through which you're migrating. You should

2790
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:46,560
Speaker 8: to consider it the downside risk, consider political stability, political

2791
02:43:46,600 --> 02:43:49,240
Speaker 8: instability because you don't want to be caught up and

2792
02:43:49,320 --> 02:43:53,879
Speaker 8: some sort of coup data. But in any case, many

2793
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:59,920
Speaker 8: African nations or throwing open the doors for Black American migrants,

2794
02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:04,360
Speaker 8: Ghana in particular, as you know, there's a substantial number

2795
02:44:04,440 --> 02:44:09,920
Speaker 8: of Black American migrants in Ghana already, and of course

2796
02:44:10,959 --> 02:44:13,560
Speaker 8: other Ghanaan neighbors too should be explored.

2797
02:44:15,240 --> 02:44:17,600
Speaker 2: Got you thirty minutes after the top. They have family

2798
02:44:17,640 --> 02:44:20,200
Speaker 2: with doctor Joel Horn from the University of Houston. He's

2799
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:24,680
Speaker 2: an African American history Africana history professor. There's also an

2800
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:26,800
Speaker 2: attorney as well, by the way, if you like to

2801
02:44:26,800 --> 02:44:29,120
Speaker 2: speak to him. Eight hundred and four five zero seventy

2802
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:31,840
Speaker 2: eight seventy six. Jay's joining us again. I think he

2803
02:44:31,959 --> 02:44:35,119
Speaker 2: called back. He's from New York City's online two Grand Rising.

2804
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:37,000
Speaker 4: Jay. Your question for doctor Horn.

2805
02:44:38,760 --> 02:44:45,320
Speaker 10: And Yeah, good morning, calling Dotor on two things. Basically,

2806
02:44:45,440 --> 02:44:51,400
Speaker 10: Number one, in regards to this economy, I think it's

2807
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 10: just about to collapse. I think there's really no upside

2808
02:44:57,959 --> 02:45:01,200
Speaker 10: on it. I'm just hoping the only thing that may

2809
02:45:01,360 --> 02:45:05,959
Speaker 10: save it is if the Supreme Court stands up and

2810
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:10,320
Speaker 10: do the right thing in regards to these terrors and

2811
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:15,040
Speaker 10: just makes it to whereas he can't continue to implement

2812
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:20,240
Speaker 10: these terrors, maybe we will recover. Also, I agree with

2813
02:45:20,320 --> 02:45:27,600
Speaker 10: you in regards to bitcoined, I think that's a disaster

2814
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:31,959
Speaker 10: just waiting to happen, that he will and his family

2815
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:36,960
Speaker 10: basically will profit from like they have, which I think

2816
02:45:37,080 --> 02:45:40,760
Speaker 10: is kind of illegal. But you know, the Congress and

2817
02:45:40,840 --> 02:45:45,440
Speaker 10: the Senate won't stand up to him. And also in

2818
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:51,360
Speaker 10: regards to Venezuela and this implemation of war that it

2819
02:45:51,560 --> 02:45:58,920
Speaker 10: seems that this sick individual is dead set on implementing.

2820
02:45:59,560 --> 02:46:04,400
Speaker 10: I guess to take away from what's going on with

2821
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:12,520
Speaker 10: Epstein and in regards to using Venezuela to slow down

2822
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:18,000
Speaker 10: this Epstein situation, which it won't stop. And I will say,

2823
02:46:18,520 --> 02:46:21,760
Speaker 10: as a New Yorker, someone who.

2824
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:22,400
Speaker 7: Has been.

2825
02:46:23,720 --> 02:46:28,760
Speaker 10: In his circles as a driver, I'm gonna put it

2826
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:32,879
Speaker 10: to you like this, He's guilty, and a whole lot

2827
02:46:32,920 --> 02:46:38,760
Speaker 10: of other people are guilty of doing what they say

2828
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:44,199
Speaker 10: they're accused of doing because as a driver, I picked

2829
02:46:44,320 --> 02:46:48,720
Speaker 10: up a lot of women and took them to their

2830
02:46:49,160 --> 02:46:53,400
Speaker 10: houses into hotels.

2831
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:56,640
Speaker 8: But you need to write a memoir or at least

2832
02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:57,800
Speaker 8: talk to a journey well.

2833
02:46:58,120 --> 02:46:58,720
Speaker 6: I don't want to.

2834
02:46:58,840 --> 02:47:02,039
Speaker 10: I don't want to be honest with you, doctor Horn.

2835
02:47:02,840 --> 02:47:05,760
Speaker 10: I'm not the only one. There's a lot of people

2836
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:09,879
Speaker 10: in New York City who are in the driving business.

2837
02:47:10,320 --> 02:47:15,080
Speaker 10: Who knows this, but we would like to live. And

2838
02:47:16,400 --> 02:47:18,600
Speaker 10: the thing is this, and this is the thing that

2839
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:23,920
Speaker 10: amazes me, honestly, both you and call if you understand

2840
02:47:24,040 --> 02:47:29,240
Speaker 10: the nature of people who have power when it comes

2841
02:47:29,400 --> 02:47:35,000
Speaker 10: to sexual behavior, I don't understand why people are shocked

2842
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:39,840
Speaker 10: by this, because you know from my career, and I'm

2843
02:47:39,879 --> 02:47:44,560
Speaker 10: gonna say this honestly, the only reason I was able

2844
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:49,800
Speaker 10: to have any success in this life is because of

2845
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:54,920
Speaker 10: that job and my ability to keep my eyes open

2846
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:59,760
Speaker 10: and my ears open and my mouth shut. Because I've

2847
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:04,400
Speaker 10: said in cars with some of the richest people in

2848
02:48:04,440 --> 02:48:08,320
Speaker 10: this country and listen to them run their mouths, and

2849
02:48:08,440 --> 02:48:13,280
Speaker 10: luckily I had the ability to understand the stock market.

2850
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:16,959
Speaker 10: That allowed me to do some decent things. But the

2851
02:48:17,000 --> 02:48:23,119
Speaker 10: reality is they're basically all sexual perverts. But it's something

2852
02:48:23,240 --> 02:48:26,360
Speaker 10: that people in the no. No, but you can't really

2853
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:29,520
Speaker 10: say it. I couldn't say to you well blah blah

2854
02:48:29,560 --> 02:48:32,800
Speaker 10: blah blah blah blah, I wouldn't be here. But the

2855
02:48:32,879 --> 02:48:34,039
Speaker 10: fact of the matter.

2856
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:35,959
Speaker 13: Is it's true.

2857
02:48:36,280 --> 02:48:37,640
Speaker 10: It's true. I've seen it.

2858
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm wanna jump.

2859
02:48:39,320 --> 02:48:42,240
Speaker 2: Let me jump as question, Jay, let me ask you

2860
02:48:42,240 --> 02:48:45,520
Speaker 2: a question. You say it's true the sexual devian but

2861
02:48:45,640 --> 02:48:46,279
Speaker 2: with children.

2862
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:53,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've picked up I've picked up sixteen

2863
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:58,360
Speaker 10: year olds, seventeen year olds and all of that, and

2864
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:03,200
Speaker 10: took them to hotels, took them to places.

2865
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:04,920
Speaker 7: They've a call.

2866
02:49:05,240 --> 02:49:09,280
Speaker 10: If you know anybody that's in the in the industry

2867
02:49:09,640 --> 02:49:14,480
Speaker 10: at that at that time, they will tell you you yeah.

2868
02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:19,120
Speaker 10: I mean, it's it's a real closed society these people.

2869
02:49:19,280 --> 02:49:24,000
Speaker 10: That's why they're working so hard to keep this information

2870
02:49:24,720 --> 02:49:30,440
Speaker 10: from coming out. But if the truth was told, yeah, yeah,

2871
02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:33,360
Speaker 10: That's why I've never been shocked by this, because you

2872
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:37,879
Speaker 10: have to experience something to know if it's right or wrong.

2873
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:42,039
Speaker 10: Got People don't want to be people don't want to

2874
02:49:42,040 --> 02:49:44,760
Speaker 10: tell that truth. But you know something, I'll leave you

2875
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:50,240
Speaker 10: with this call. If the truth came out, nothing would

2876
02:49:50,280 --> 02:49:55,879
Speaker 10: happen to Trump because his base are sickle finds, they kodish,

2877
02:49:56,440 --> 02:50:00,600
Speaker 10: they they don't care. And the sad thing is I

2878
02:50:00,640 --> 02:50:03,200
Speaker 10: would like for evil one of y'all to tell me

2879
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:05,080
Speaker 10: or one off it's supported.

2880
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:07,880
Speaker 8: What are you doing good for them?

2881
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:09,959
Speaker 2: All right, Jay, we ought to take a short break,

2882
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:13,680
Speaker 2: but I thank you for your questions. Yes, sir, I'll

2883
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:15,760
Speaker 2: let Professor on tackle that question as well, because when

2884
02:50:15,800 --> 02:50:18,880
Speaker 2: you say children, it makes a difference. All the defiants

2885
02:50:18,920 --> 02:50:22,200
Speaker 2: are sexual defense, but we children. There's a line to

2886
02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:24,879
Speaker 2: be drawn right there, twenty four minutes away from the

2887
02:50:24,879 --> 02:50:27,520
Speaker 2: top there, family, I guess did Professor Gerald Horney he

2888
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:29,280
Speaker 2: teaches at the University of het ain't got a question

2889
02:50:29,320 --> 02:50:32,680
Speaker 2: on anything? Even sports? Edits tambored he can answer. He's

2890
02:50:32,720 --> 02:50:34,560
Speaker 2: one of the smartest brothers we have on the planet.

2891
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:36,400
Speaker 2: And you can reach him at eight hundred four or

2892
02:50:36,400 --> 02:50:39,039
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2893
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:42,160
Speaker 2: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying

2894
02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:43,879
Speaker 2: with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for making us

2895
02:50:43,879 --> 02:50:46,200
Speaker 2: part of your morning. Richel I guess is the doctor

2896
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Jeryl Horn from the University of Houston. Doctor Horne Jay

2897
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:52,360
Speaker 2: talked about the sexual defense that's probably contained in the

2898
02:50:52,400 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 2: Epstein files, that they changed so hard to get us

2899
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:59,119
Speaker 2: not to see. But is that the concernercy, the concern

2900
02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:01,160
Speaker 2: that some of them involved children? How do you see

2901
02:51:01,160 --> 02:51:03,720
Speaker 2: what that they you know what they're fighting so hard

2902
02:51:03,720 --> 02:51:05,000
Speaker 2: to keep these away from the public.

2903
02:51:06,440 --> 02:51:09,920
Speaker 8: Well, all of the above obviously is implicating many powerful people.

2904
02:51:10,280 --> 02:51:13,640
Speaker 8: You saw mister Trump was mentioned numerous times and these emails.

2905
02:51:14,360 --> 02:51:18,160
Speaker 8: We've seen that the former Treasury secretary and Harvard University

2906
02:51:18,200 --> 02:51:21,800
Speaker 8: president Doug Lawrence Summers has been forced to step back

2907
02:51:21,840 --> 02:51:26,119
Speaker 8: from public life. There will be many others in that category.

2908
02:51:26,520 --> 02:51:30,879
Speaker 8: But what should also be concerning is the defense of

2909
02:51:31,320 --> 02:51:36,560
Speaker 8: mister Epstein and his powerful cronies. Megan Kelly, the former

2910
02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:40,800
Speaker 8: Fox News host, has suggested that we should draw a

2911
02:51:40,840 --> 02:51:45,160
Speaker 8: distinction between abuse of a five year old and abuse

2912
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:49,359
Speaker 8: of a fifteen year old. In other words, she's unilaterally

2913
02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:52,039
Speaker 8: trying to change the law, for example, not to mention

2914
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:54,959
Speaker 8: our moral perceptions. I think that this is only the

2915
02:51:55,000 --> 02:51:59,439
Speaker 8: beginning of a downward spiral, not only of this societal,

2916
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:03,160
Speaker 8: of this society but also a downward spiral in terms

2917
02:52:03,160 --> 02:52:05,080
Speaker 8: of how children are maltreated.

2918
02:52:06,920 --> 02:52:09,720
Speaker 2: But having said that, Dr Horn, the files, if they

2919
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:12,680
Speaker 2: are really that's a big if right there.

2920
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:14,240
Speaker 4: How do we know they have.

2921
02:52:14,320 --> 02:52:19,160
Speaker 2: Been altered, adocted, blackwashed if you will, before they release

2922
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:19,720
Speaker 2: in the public.

2923
02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:23,320
Speaker 8: Well, we don't know, and I think that that's something

2924
02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:28,120
Speaker 8: that we're going to have to investigate further. Of course,

2925
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:32,160
Speaker 8: there will be many loopholes the town BONDI the Attorney

2926
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:36,320
Speaker 8: General will pursue, particularly in order to save the scalp

2927
02:52:36,400 --> 02:52:42,040
Speaker 8: of our supervisors. Speaking of mister Trump himself, But that's

2928
02:52:42,080 --> 02:52:45,280
Speaker 8: the situation we now faith, and let's see what happens.

2929
02:52:45,959 --> 02:52:47,880
Speaker 2: Sixteen away from the top of at least John, and

2930
02:52:47,879 --> 02:52:50,440
Speaker 2: that's from Baltimore A LEAs on line three. Grand Rising Lee,

2931
02:52:50,480 --> 02:52:51,800
Speaker 2: your question for doctor.

2932
02:52:51,480 --> 02:52:56,240
Speaker 18: Horn, Yes, Grand Rising and thank you for taking my call,

2933
02:52:56,360 --> 02:53:00,680
Speaker 18: Doctor Horn and brother Nelson. How will are economy be

2934
02:53:00,879 --> 02:53:05,640
Speaker 18: financially affected when individuals who have taxes taken out of

2935
02:53:05,680 --> 02:53:09,760
Speaker 18: our wages is no longer done when they implement the

2936
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:13,480
Speaker 18: AI box to do the work.

2937
02:53:13,720 --> 02:53:17,160
Speaker 8: Well, that's a good question. As I said, I don't

2938
02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:23,039
Speaker 8: think that the state, the government. Speaking of mister Trump

2939
02:53:23,080 --> 02:53:26,800
Speaker 8: and his cronies are taking a panoramic view of what's

2940
02:53:26,840 --> 02:53:31,000
Speaker 8: happening with this economy. They're all pursuing their narrow interests,

2941
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:36,520
Speaker 8: which is to profit handsomely from layoffs, for example, from

2942
02:53:36,560 --> 02:53:39,920
Speaker 8: getting rid of human labor, but are not necessarily thinking

2943
02:53:39,959 --> 02:53:44,680
Speaker 8: through the downside consequences, for example, who will buy the

2944
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:50,080
Speaker 8: products that are being produced? Particularly, there will be difficulty

2945
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:54,480
Speaker 8: in exporting the projects because of mister Trump alienating most

2946
02:53:54,760 --> 02:54:01,560
Speaker 8: of the partners ferstwhile trading partners, including the European Union, Canada, Mexico.

2947
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:04,879
Speaker 8: Mister Trump has threatened to mob Mexico, you might have noticed,

2948
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:08,760
Speaker 8: even though Mexico is probably the most important purchaser of

2949
02:54:08,959 --> 02:54:13,959
Speaker 8: US goods and services right now. So obviously this is

2950
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:17,600
Speaker 8: a real crisis that it's fair to become even worse.

2951
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:22,680
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks leaving, Thanks your question, Thanks your question.

2952
02:54:23,879 --> 02:54:26,800
Speaker 2: Let's go to the continent the recent G twenty summit.

2953
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:29,760
Speaker 2: Donald Trump wasn't there. This is where it's supposed to

2954
02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:32,360
Speaker 2: be a handover meeting with a handover the I guess

2955
02:54:32,400 --> 02:54:34,680
Speaker 2: the leadership of the G twenty to the United States.

2956
02:54:35,440 --> 02:54:38,720
Speaker 2: But China was there, So what did you see? How

2957
02:54:38,760 --> 02:54:42,199
Speaker 2: will this impact America? Do you think if it does.

2958
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:44,320
Speaker 5: Well.

2959
02:54:44,600 --> 02:54:47,760
Speaker 8: What this G twenty meeting showed is that oftentimes these

2960
02:54:47,800 --> 02:54:51,400
Speaker 8: international meetings go more smoothly if the United States is absent.

2961
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:54,800
Speaker 8: You saw a hint of that also at the Climate

2962
02:54:54,879 --> 02:54:58,280
Speaker 8: change summit in Brazil just this past week as well.

2963
02:55:00,200 --> 02:55:04,480
Speaker 8: Trump ignores the fact that Prime Minister Mode of India

2964
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:08,039
Speaker 8: showed up, the Prime Minister in Great Britain, Chris Starmers,

2965
02:55:08,120 --> 02:55:10,800
Speaker 8: or Chris Starmers showed up, President of Macrone of France,

2966
02:55:10,920 --> 02:55:17,480
Speaker 8: Chancellor Mertz Germany, Prime Minister Carney of Canada not mentioned,

2967
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:20,200
Speaker 8: not to mention, a number of other leaders. And so

2968
02:55:20,760 --> 02:55:25,640
Speaker 8: just because the United States becomes petulant and decides to boycott,

2969
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,280
Speaker 8: that doesn't mean that there will be followers.

2970
02:55:29,560 --> 02:55:32,000
Speaker 2: But does this pave the way for China to move in?

2971
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Because now the African leaders have seen that China wants

2972
02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:37,720
Speaker 2: to come in and instead of the United States and

2973
02:55:37,879 --> 02:55:39,959
Speaker 2: Donald Trump wants to lecture them, but the China wants

2974
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:41,520
Speaker 2: to come and say, hey, let's work together, how can

2975
02:55:41,560 --> 02:55:43,560
Speaker 2: we make some money. Do you you think that said

2976
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:46,640
Speaker 2: it gives them a good footing or solid footing on

2977
02:55:46,680 --> 02:55:48,760
Speaker 2: the content as opposed to the US, or does see

2978
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:51,119
Speaker 2: the United States don't want to be involved in Africa.

2979
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:52,119
Speaker 4: How do you read it?

2980
02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:56,720
Speaker 8: Well, the United States, speaking of mister Trump, has spent

2981
02:55:57,280 --> 02:56:01,120
Speaker 8: an ordinate amount of time insulting Africa, replete with so

2982
02:56:01,200 --> 02:56:04,879
Speaker 8: called s whole nations, according to mister Trump, threatening to

2983
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:10,120
Speaker 8: invade Nigeria, guns of blazing, ambushing President of South Africa

2984
02:56:10,160 --> 02:56:14,600
Speaker 8: in the Oval office, for example. So mister Trump has

2985
02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:19,080
Speaker 8: made clear that Africa is is not on his list

2986
02:56:19,080 --> 02:56:23,680
Speaker 8: of priorities, and Africa has returned to disfavor by saying

2987
02:56:24,240 --> 02:56:26,680
Speaker 8: the United States is not on our list of priorities,

2988
02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:29,200
Speaker 8: particularly when there's an alternative in Beijing.

2989
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:32,840
Speaker 2: Are we seen the decline of the United States as

2990
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:38,560
Speaker 2: the world's pre eminent economy As China passed us by,

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Speaker 2: people are going to be talking about the United States

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Speaker 2: as something that is a pasted, you know, a relic

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Speaker 2: pretty soon.

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Speaker 8: How do you see, Well, it's not only myself who's

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Speaker 8: been arguing with us for a number of years, but others,

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Speaker 8: even the business press, you'll notice numerous articles about the

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Speaker 8: decline of the United States of America. By some measures,

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Speaker 8: the Chinese economy was larger than the United States economy

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Speaker 8: as early as twenty fourteen, and that trend inevitably will continue.

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Speaker 8: If you look ahead to twenty fifty, it's unclear if

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Speaker 8: even the United States will be the number two economy.

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Speaker 8: India will probably occupy that slot, for example. So this

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Speaker 8: was not inevitable. There were a number of miscalculations by

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Speaker 8: Washington and by Wall Street that has led to this result.

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Speaker 8: Question is will they pay a price for their misdeeds

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Speaker 8: and misdoings.

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Speaker 2: The reaction by the Democrats they seem to almost be

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Speaker 2: complicit with this. They don't seem to be really coming

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Speaker 2: out full throated against Donald Trump and his policies.

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Speaker 4: How do you see them?

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Speaker 2: Are they sitting aside hoping that it collapses and they

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Speaker 2: can blame the Republicans and look good because it didn't

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Speaker 2: happen on a their watch.

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Speaker 8: That was the advice of James Carvell, the former Clinton

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Speaker 8: administration counselor, now eighty one years old. He suggested in

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Speaker 8: an obed some months ago, precisely that that the Democrats

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Speaker 8: should sit on their hands and then wait for everything

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Speaker 8: to collapse, and then they'll come rushing in blaming their

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Speaker 8: Republicans for the collapse. That seems utterly cynical, but it

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Speaker 8: may have been the project of this withdrawal on the

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Speaker 8: government shutdown, where the government was shut down for forty

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Speaker 8: plus a day supposedly over healthcare premiums, and then the

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Speaker 8: government was reopened without any Republican real concessions of healthcare premiums,

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Speaker 8: which by the way, are abound to go up spectacularly

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Speaker 8: within the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they they complained about Obamacare, dodr Horn,

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Speaker 2: but if still they don't have a they don't have

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Speaker 2: an alternative. They've had what about twenty years to come

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Speaker 2: up with One's what's the problem?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think you should reasonably infer that they don't

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Speaker 8: have a plan. They don't even have a concept of

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Speaker 8: a plan, as mister Trump said in his debate with

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Speaker 8: Kamala Harris about a year or so ago. And so

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Speaker 8: part of the problem is that the Maga Basse, although

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Speaker 8: racked with internal cleavages, they're still hanging on to mister

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Speaker 8: Trump for dear life because they feel that somehow he

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Speaker 8: will pull the rabbit out of the hat and somehow

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Speaker 8: direct them to the pot of gold at the end

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Speaker 8: of the rainbow.

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Speaker 2: Nine minutes away from the top of albm with doctor

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Speaker 2: Joel and Josh Holl let's let's go back to the

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Speaker 2: continent for a moment. What's going on in Molly and

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Speaker 2: Bikino Fasha two of this is all nations.

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Speaker 8: Well, what's going on is an explosion of religious zelts,

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Speaker 8: that's to say, the religious extremists who call themselves Muslim.

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Speaker 8: They have a impending blockade on Bambaco, the capital of

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Speaker 8: Mali in Burkina Fasso. Of course, they are attacking relentlessly

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Speaker 8: the government of mister Trori, the charismatic leader. Something similar

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Speaker 8: is happening in Niger, the third member of that progressive trio.

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Speaker 8: And then I'm sure you've seen the stories coming out

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Speaker 8: of Northern Nigeria. Although we reject unilaterally the allegations and

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Speaker 8: proposals of Nicki Minaj, the fact is that these reactionaries

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Speaker 8: who call themselves a Muslim are busily kidnapping Christian children,

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Speaker 8: although to be fair, they also are wreaking havoc on

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Speaker 8: their fellow Muslim populations as well, and there needs to

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Speaker 8: be something done, But the United States going in with

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Speaker 8: guns ablaze ablazing is the worst possible remedy. If the

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Speaker 8: United States wants to help, they should consult with the

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Speaker 8: government of President Tanubu and ask what he needs and

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Speaker 8: then try to assist that government. But going into Nigeria

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Speaker 8: over the heads of the government, that's obviously a bridge

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Speaker 8: too far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ate away from the top of doctor Horne. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to East Africa, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Tigeray to Gray. Have

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Speaker 2: they getting him back to a war?

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Speaker 8: It's possible. Sadly enough, Ethiopia has made it clear that

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Speaker 8: it not only wants an outlet to the sea. When

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Speaker 8: Eritrea seceded from Ethiopia some decades ago, it removed its

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Speaker 8: major port. Ethiopia has conflicts with Somalia, which in turn

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Speaker 8: is being bolstered by Egypt, and then into Great Province.

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Speaker 8: You know that for months there was a very bloody

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Speaker 8: conflict betweing that province and the leaders of the centralized

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Speaker 8: government and as Ambaba. There's still a lot of discontent

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Speaker 8: into Great and that situation could boil over any day.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask you a sports question for I'll

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Speaker 2: let you go and I should I should?

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Speaker 4: Should?

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Speaker 2: I Sander's got his first start in the NFL for

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Speaker 2: Cleveland and the uh the coaches saying this is not

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Speaker 2: in stone that he'll start the next game What is

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Speaker 2: this coach missing is what's what's going on with that franchise?

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Speaker 2: And should Sanders.

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Speaker 8: Well, obviously he is not favored, otherwise he would have

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Speaker 8: been starting before Dylan Gabriel his processor got hurt, got hurt,

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Speaker 8: for example. I think that there's obviously a backlash against

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Speaker 8: his father, the charismatic Dion Sanders coach prime who's having

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Speaker 8: a tough season with the Colorado Buffalo for example. As

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Speaker 8: a matter of fact, there's been talked about his being

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Speaker 8: an unemployment line or at least not returning as coach

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Speaker 8: if his record does not improve shortly.

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Speaker 2: And doctor Horn, as I mentioned, you've written several books.

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Speaker 2: What is your latest book and where can we get it?

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Speaker 8: So the Capital of Slavery, Washington, d c. Eighteen hundred

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Speaker 8: to eighteen sixty five. You can get it in Sankofa

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Speaker 8: in Washington or better bookstores elsewhere, probably at Red Emma's

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Speaker 8: in Baltimore. I have another book coming out in the

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Speaker 8: spring which I've just made reference to.

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Speaker 7: That is to say, these.

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Speaker 8: Conflicts at the end of the nineteenth century between the

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Speaker 8: United States and Hawaii and the Philippines. Part of the plan,

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Speaker 8: as noted, was to deport the US Negroes into the Pacific.

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Speaker 8: It did not happen for various reasons. And then I'm

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Speaker 8: writing right now a book on the slave trade, the

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Speaker 8: Trans Saharan slave trade. Morocco was a major culprit in

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Speaker 8: the slave trade, this Transaharent slave trade, but also Egypt.

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Speaker 8: Egypt has a lot to apologize for with regard to

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Speaker 8: the enslavement of Nubians, with regard to its contemporary policies.

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Speaker 8: Recalled that it boycotted Kevin Hark, the comic and actor,

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Speaker 8: after he expressed the true history of Egypt in terms

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Speaker 8: of the influence from Nubia, for example. It also played

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Speaker 8: a similar number on Jada Pink and Smith after she

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Speaker 8: was trying to produce a biopic about Cleopatrack that pursued

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Speaker 8: her that portrayed her as a melon and rich woman.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of anxiety obviously in Egypt about darker

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Speaker 8: skinned people, and they really need to come to grips

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Speaker 8: with that.

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Speaker 2: Shay on that one before we let you go? Can

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Speaker 2: follow you on social media? How to how can we

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Speaker 2: follow a doctor Horn?

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Speaker 8: Well, you can f there's a Facebook page devoted to

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Speaker 8: my work and I would direct listeners to that and

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Speaker 8: of course, I'll direct listeners and viewers to YouTube, where

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Speaker 8: there are enough videos to keep you busy for the

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Speaker 8: next century or so.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, doctor Horn, Thank you for all

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Speaker 2: the information that you shared.

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Speaker 4: With us this morning.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 2: All right, family, that's it. Class is dismissed for the day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Professor Jerald Horn for being with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Before we go, before we just want in mind we're

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Speaker 2: back here tomorrow morning and six right here in Baltimore

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Speaker 2: on ten ten WLB, and also in the DMV on

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Speaker 2: fourteen fifty WOL.