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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey there everybody, I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. I'm Tony Kats today, So glad I can

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Speaker 2: join you and you can join me on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's cold where you are, it's cold where

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Speaker 2: I am. It is going to be a great show today. Listen.

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Speaker 2: We got my good buddy, Jerry Rodgers, the editor of

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Speaker 2: Real Clear Policy and Real Clear Health and Real Clear

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Speaker 2: whatever else Jerry does because he does so many other things.

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Speaker 2: Also nominally my co host and Andrew and Jerry save

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Speaker 2: the World. We need to do an episode of those.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll take today's make it a special episode anyway.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Rodgers joining us at the two o'clock, No, two

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Speaker 2: o'clock My Time hour, the third hour of the show.

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Speaker 2: And in this hour, John Justice, who is a radio

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Speaker 2: host up in the Twin Cities. He is really on

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Speaker 2: the on the ground seeing everything that's going on in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: We're going to spend a lot of time today talking

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Speaker 2: about Minneapolis and the craziness and most importantly what this

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Speaker 2: means for twenty twenty six, the elections, the midterm elections

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, whatever elections are happening next year, and

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Speaker 2: of course in twenty twenty eight, because guys, the Democratic

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Speaker 2: playbook has been laid out. Oh you want to join

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Speaker 2: In any case, we are now seeing so this weekend,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, a thoughtful Martin Luther King Day

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Speaker 2: to all who are celebrating. We're gonna hear later on

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Speaker 2: from Alvida King, the Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Junior's niece,

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Speaker 2: as well as some thoughts from end doctor King himself.

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Speaker 2: I've got something I'm going to play towards the end

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Speaker 2: of the show today, so we you know, but what

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about is this thesis now that

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Speaker 2: the Democrats are letting us know exactly how they're going

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Speaker 2: to focus on the midterms. Over the weekend, in my

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Speaker 2: home state now of Virginia, we inaugurated a new governor.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Abigail Spanberger, and she ran nominally at

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Speaker 2: least on her ads. For many people, she ran as

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Speaker 2: She is a deep Stater who got involved in politics

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Speaker 2: because try push back against the deep state. She was

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Speaker 2: a CIA case officer. But we also knew because one

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Speaker 2: of her colleagues running, Jay Jones, who ran and won

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Speaker 2: as Attorney General. J Jones ran on the anti Trump ticket.

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Speaker 2: He presented himself as the contrast to Jason Miaris, a

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Speaker 2: and j Jones and Abigail Spanberger promised that if their

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Speaker 2: team got elected, they would push back on all of

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Speaker 2: the horrors of the Trump administration, which is exactly, by

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Speaker 2: the way, what the Democrats did while Trump was president

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Speaker 2: of the first time around, is that you had all

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Speaker 2: of these folks run on the anti Trump ticket. That's

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Speaker 2: all that they have. They're not offering anything positive. They're

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Speaker 2: to do is they want to attack Trump. There, anti Trump,

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Speaker 2: anti Trump, anti Trump, and they think that this is

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Speaker 2: by the way, their colleagues are fomenting all kinds of

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the morning shows were playing today,

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Speaker 2: but one of the we're going to hear from Eric Swallowell.

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes probably, But let us start with

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Speaker 2: Charles Schumer, the senior Senator from the great state of

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Speaker 2: New York, my original home state. Chuck Schumer was giving

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Speaker 2: Democratic agenda is. Let's go to cut number one.

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Speaker 3: Please, if you look at the budget actually we're working

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Speaker 3: on right now, and we'll have the Tea HUD budget,

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Speaker 3: you know, transportation and HUD budget. We restore most of

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Speaker 3: many of the programs that doge slash. When I met

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Speaker 3: But we have worked really hard in the budget and

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Speaker 2: All right, So so they want to they want to

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Speaker 2: They want to they want to restore the cuts. They're

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Speaker 2: anti doge doge slash slash slash. Now what what did

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Speaker 2: doge slash? Well, lots of things. Now listen, I'm someone

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Speaker 2: you've heard me before. You you know that I'm someone

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Speaker 2: Now today Russ vote. Who is the president's He is

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Speaker 2: the head of the Office of Management and Budget, the

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Speaker 2: OMB director, by the way, the best job in government.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have a whole list, you know, if

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Speaker 2: to do. I am incredibly nerdy when it comes to this.

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Speaker 2: I have this discussion somebody I knew who at one

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Speaker 2: And this person actually got on the list, didn't get it,

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Speaker 2: obviously this was not Sarah Palin, but then asked me,

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Speaker 2: he said, well, let's let's assume for a moment that

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Speaker 2: I said, you should, you should become home In director.

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Speaker 2: He was perplexed and I said, he said, why so well,

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Speaker 2: and being OMB director would would do that. By the way,

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Speaker 2: love to be the Chief Council for Advocacy at the SBA.

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Speaker 2: They're the ones who analyze new regulatory proposals for their

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Speaker 2: Ombudsman for Small Business. We ought to get Robert Bolan

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Speaker 2: Both of them have incredibly important roles in making sure

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Speaker 2: on specific businesses. And then finally, you know, the head

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Speaker 2: geek in me. So anyway, omb Director russ Vote is

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Speaker 2: this very good exchange with Senator Kennedy from Louisiana. Let's

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Speaker 4: You're getting rid of five point five million dollars to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer,

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Speaker 4: and intersex advocacy in Uganda, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir. I can't believe we're arguing about this. This

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Speaker 2: want to bring that back. That's exactly what they're gonna do. Listen,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about the playbook at what the Democrats

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. Oh, listen, love this song, love it Land

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Speaker 2: unfortunately I can't come out for the thing on on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: know what you're what you're thinking. So, as I said,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats have have they're they're looking at what Abigail

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Speaker 2: misinformation flying around about how Americans are viewing it, how

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Speaker 2: You get Axios which is saying that the president's support

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Speaker 2: Now we know that there is going to be movement

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. I am in for Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 2: I do a hit with him every every Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: That's a bad that's a bad way to put it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think crosshairs, Andrew, and thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: It's a Jacob Frye and I share the William and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean's everything's kind of stalled right now. I

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Speaker 6: was taking a very sort of they shouldn't be going

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Speaker 6: as far as they are going. She stopped short of

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Speaker 6: certainly supporting any efforts of Ice. But these are the

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Speaker 6: first public statements that she's that she's made, not talking

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Speaker 6: about you know, Governor Tim Walls, not talking about Jacob

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Speaker 6: Fry as far as I as far as I understand,

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Speaker 6: but simply you know, giving a sort of moderate again

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Speaker 6: by Democrat anders, a moderate pushback on what Ice is doing.

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Speaker 6: And there are some that are pointing to that, saying, okay,

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Speaker 6: this is the first indication of how she might conduct

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Speaker 6: herself in a campaign. But really that's just speculation based

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Speaker 6: off of what I mentioned before, and that is there

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Speaker 6: is no Democrat running for governor right now, and the

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Speaker 6: assumption as she will, so they are assuming that this

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Speaker 6: is a lead into that, and you know, I honestly,

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Speaker 6: I don't know that it is. I think there are

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Speaker 6: some other shoes that have to drop before any candidate

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Speaker 6: makes an announcement to run for governor on the Democrat side.

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Speaker 2: Plus, she is, you know, she's on the list of

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Speaker 2: potential Democrats to run for president twenty twenty eight. So

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Speaker 2: she doesn't want to do anything to jeopard as that

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Speaker 2: does she no, And.

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Speaker 6: She's always wanted to run. She's run before, and I

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Speaker 6: would welcome that because I think that much like Governor

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Speaker 6: Kim Walls.

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Speaker 2: She plays well here in.

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Speaker 6: Minnesota, she's arguably the most popular Democrat in Minnesota, but

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Speaker 6: she's also nailed on a chalkboard annoying. And she's one

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Speaker 6: of those candidates, in my opinion, on the Republican side,

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Speaker 6: kind of like you know, a desantist who didn't play

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Speaker 6: well on the national stage but plays excellent in Florida.

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Speaker 6: She plays great for Democrats here in Minnesota, but I

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Speaker 6: think on the national stage, I don't think that that's

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Speaker 6: point to carry over outside of Minnesota. But yes, she

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Speaker 6: absolutely has presidential aspirations.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's turn our attention to this, this situation

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Speaker 2: with Don Lemon and this church and the accusations that

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Speaker 2: were made against the pastor. For those of you who

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Speaker 2: are uninitiated, there was a pastor of a church who

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Speaker 2: was accused of collaborating a god, for collaborating with Ice

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Speaker 2: and and Don Lemon, along with a bunch of activists

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Speaker 2: swarmed the church. Was it yesterday, John, Yes, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was yesterday morning, the Cich's Church in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, tell us and tell us what

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Speaker 2: I mean this is we've got actually, you know something

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Speaker 2: land and do me favor. Let's go drop down, Let's

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Speaker 2: go and play cut number nine. This is this unhinged

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Speaker 2: leftist Go ahead and play cut number nine.

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Speaker 9: As you can see, all these pretend Christians, all these

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Speaker 9: comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives, well

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Speaker 9: children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life,

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Speaker 9: nice lives and your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your

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Speaker 9: Latino and Somemali brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 2: You come here to a man, all right, we get

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Speaker 2: into it there doing doing absolutely nothing for your Latino

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Speaker 2: and Somemali brothers and sisters who are actively reaching into

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Speaker 2: your pocket and stealing your money. But this is what

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Speaker 2: you guys are contending with on a daily basis, John,

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Speaker 2: isn't it Well?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: And what you have here is you have Nikima Levy Armstrong.

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Speaker 6: She led this protest. She was one of the figureheads

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Speaker 6: during the prominence of the Black Lives Matter movement, especially

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Speaker 6: going back to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: And George Floyd.

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Speaker 6: The voice you heard there is an individual named William Kelly.

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Speaker 6: My understanding is he's kind of a paid agitator. He

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Speaker 6: goes state to state talking about ice. But what you

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Speaker 6: have here is a group of individuals going full Communist

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Speaker 6: in their protests and seeing all the attention that's being

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Speaker 6: made regarding pushback on ICE and deciding, hey, we have

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Speaker 6: an opportunity here to really grab some attention. So they

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Speaker 6: marched into a church right as the sermon was starting

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Speaker 6: on Sunday morning because of these claims of the pastor

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Speaker 6: being involved with ICE, shut the church down and basically

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Speaker 6: ran off the people inside the church, you know, with

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Speaker 6: these fear and intimidation tactics. And now the Department of

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Speaker 6: Justice is looking into a potential of the Face Act

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Speaker 6: violation from these individuals. But Andrew, it's once again another

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Speaker 6: perfect example of how often, how almost every single time

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Speaker 6: Democrats overreached in times of controversy like this. I'm waiting

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Speaker 6: to see if we see Democrat leadership come out and

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Speaker 6: actually condemn what took place. As of right now on

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Speaker 6: our conversation, I have not seen that yet.

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Speaker 2: No I haven't. I haven't seen it either, And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's there's a there's a race against the clock here.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean in terms of the potential for

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred soldiers to come in the eleventh Airborne Division

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Speaker 2: for them to literally be air dropped in to this situation.

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Speaker 2: But you know, when you get situations in which you

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Speaker 2: now have you know something, it's the John and I

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Speaker 2: were trying to find names for this group that's going

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Speaker 2: to be dropped in the opposition is the dough Boys,

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Speaker 2: which is which is you know, the guy with the

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Speaker 2: the the AR fifteen and right. I don't dispute his

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Speaker 2: right to carry his rifle, but this is not going

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Speaker 2: to This is not going to end well. By the way,

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Speaker 2: when did when did the have to decide that they

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Speaker 2: were going to turn to this. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: after the Kyle Rittenhouse situation, they were no longer going

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Speaker 2: to engage in this kind of activity.

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Speaker 6: You know, Andrew, I've been saying since the start of

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Speaker 6: my radio career, and you know this, and Andab, you

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Speaker 6: know everybody.

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Speaker 11: I think most people listening know this.

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Speaker 6: If you're on the left, you can be as irrational

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Speaker 6: and hypocritical as you want to be as long as

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Speaker 6: it further's the message. They simply do not care about

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Speaker 6: the hypocrisy. But you are absolutely right, especially in this

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Speaker 6: state where they are so antigun. Every legislative session they

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Speaker 6: pushed to limit your right to keep in bare arms,

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Speaker 6: and yet here we are people fanning on the street

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Speaker 6: corner with their long rifles, using it to protect their neighborhoods. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: as I say on the show, make it make sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, John John, we got to leave it there.

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Speaker 2: John Justice. You can hear him every morning on his show.

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Speaker 2: He also does his MI nerd World podcast. He is

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Speaker 2: an author. Go follow him at John j O N

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Speaker 2: Justice John Justice on the Twitter Machine. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: my friend. We'll talk to you next.

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Speaker 6: Week, DOUGYXT week, buddy, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks and listen more to come here. On the Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today Show, I'm Andrew Langer back in a moment. Well,

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Speaker 2: hey everybody, I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about what's happening on the ground in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: don't you know. You know, here's the thing that gets me.

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Speaker 2: I mean everybody, not everybody, but lots of folks are

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Speaker 2: sort of flocking there, which I'm a little, frankly a

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Speaker 2: little disturbed by. You know, I guess if you're an

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Speaker 2: independent journalism, this is the place to go. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: play later on the video of Nick Sartor, who is

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Speaker 2: an independent journalist who had a camera stolen, and the

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis police were less than cooperative in trying to help

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Speaker 2: them find it. But the FBI is apparently stepping in.

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Speaker 2: But Don Lemon is on the ground. And the problem,

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Speaker 2: of course is folks who are parachuting in when to

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Speaker 2: use that term, and making themselves a part of the story.

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Speaker 2: You know, Don Lemon is a prime example of this.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get through in the next hour some more

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Speaker 2: of what he had to say, But here he is

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Speaker 2: in that mob takeover of this church. It's play at

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Speaker 2: number six.

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Speaker 12: This is the beginning of what's going to happen here

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Speaker 12: when you violate people's due process, when you pull people

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Speaker 12: off the street and you start dragging them and hurting

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Speaker 12: them and not abiding by the constitution.

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Speaker 2: When you start doing all of that, people get upset

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Speaker 2: and angry.

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Speaker 12: And if you remember what the Civil rights movement was about,

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Speaker 12: the Civil rights movement was about these very kinds of protests.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing in the constitution that tells you what time

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Speaker 2: you can protest. You can protest at anytime. That's the

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Speaker 2: whole point of it. Is agest and well, actually, there

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Speaker 2: are time, manner, and place restrictions placed on exercises at

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Speaker 2: the First Amendment. Now, I'm someone who believes in my

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Speaker 2: bones that that we should have the most expansive interpretation

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Speaker 2: of First Amendment rights. But let's remember that's the thing

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Speaker 2: that gets me. And you know two things that Don

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Speaker 2: Lemon said in that statement that just gave me. Number

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Speaker 2: one is the comparison of this to the civil rights movement.

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Speaker 2: You know, the civil rights activists were not standing in

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Speaker 2: the way of the law dealing with hardened criminals, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, if there had been a Martin Luther King,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, if if Malcolm X had had been

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Speaker 2: marching in the name of, you know, protecting citizenry, he

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Speaker 2: would be on the side of making sure that the

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Speaker 2: folks who were being scooped up by law enforcement were

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Speaker 2: not being scooped up because they were engaged in violent

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Speaker 2: sexual assaults on other people. They would have been there

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Speaker 2: to protect the rights of average, everyday African Americans, those

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Speaker 2: who were actually abiding by the law. So that's part

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Speaker 2: one in all of this, And part two is the

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Speaker 2: failure to recognize that the law places guardrails on the

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Speaker 2: exercise of rights when they impact on the rights of others.

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Speaker 2: So under the First Amendment, I have the right to

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Speaker 2: wave my hand around than a wild interpretive dance until

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Speaker 2: my hands connect with the bridge of your nose. I

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Speaker 2: don't have the right to hit you across the nose

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Speaker 2: in the name of my First Amendment rights, because that

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Speaker 2: violates your right to be securing your person and possession

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Speaker 2: in this instance. Yeah, they have every right to protest,

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Speaker 2: but they don't have the right to disrupt other people's

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Speaker 2: exercise of their First Amendment right to practice their religion.

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Speaker 2: That's why the law protects the people in this church. Listen.

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Speaker 2: More to come on this obviously. I'm Andrew Langer. This,

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Speaker 2: of course is Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Today, Live from the Heart Blind and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Hey, they're one and all. I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today, so glad I

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Speaker 2: can join you on this Monday, Monday, the nineteenth of

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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty six. I'm actually finding that I'm having

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Speaker 2: an easier time this year writing twenty twenty six on things,

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Speaker 2: not nearly the problems that I normally have when you

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Speaker 2: transition from excuse me, from one year to the next,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, it is that. What I am having a

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Speaker 2: hard time wrapping my head around is the fact that

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Speaker 2: it's already January nineteenth. It just the days seem to

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Speaker 2: be accelerating. Tomorrow is going to be I believe the

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Speaker 2: one year anniversary of the Trump administration. I did a report.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think the last time I was on

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Speaker 2: I don't think I talked about it here. I did

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Speaker 2: a report a couple of weeks ago about the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration and regulation. By the way, if you don't know

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Speaker 2: about me, let me explain who I am. I don't

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Speaker 2: just do radio. I also do public policy work. I'm

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Speaker 2: the director of the Center for Regulatory Freedom for SEAPACK.

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Speaker 2: I also do healthcare policy for them, and as such,

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Speaker 2: you know, the impact of regulation on the American economy

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Speaker 2: is huge for me. I'm constantly analyzing regulatory proposals. That's

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Speaker 2: what I do. And so a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: really interesting bit of information was dropped from the White House.

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Speaker 2: They ran their numbers and showed that they had cut

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Speaker 2: an unprecedented two hundred and eleven billion dollars in regulatory costs. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is taking away from the one point eight trillion

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Speaker 2: dollars that the Biden administration. So one eight hundred billion

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Speaker 2: dollars that the Biden administration added to regulatory costs. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, you know, as we talk about this,

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Speaker 2: if you want to know why inflation accelerated to such

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Speaker 2: a degree, uh, yeah, adding one point eight trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: in new regulations has a way of doing that as

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Speaker 2: a way of depressing economic growth. That's why the the

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Speaker 2: only jobs that were created, uh created, and use that

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Speaker 2: term loosely, were jobs that the federal government you know,

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Speaker 2: was able to bring back after after the government reopened

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Speaker 2: or you know, so folks were able to go back

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Speaker 2: to work. But nothing in the way of new private

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Speaker 2: sector jobs were created. Only only public sector jobs are created.

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Speaker 2: And and so yeah, this is this is this is massive.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I ran the numbers given what uh,

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Speaker 2: given what I had worked on over the first year,

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Speaker 2: all of the regulatory reform efforts, uh and did some

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Speaker 2: you know, did some comparisons to the way things would

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Speaker 2: have been had Kamala Harris been elected. All of these

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Speaker 2: things add up. That's the whole point of regulation. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I know, it talked a little bit about

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Speaker 2: this in the first hour you know, the jobs that

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Speaker 2: I would have wanted. The whole point of regulation. Never

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Speaker 2: believe anybody who tells you that regulations don't increase the

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Speaker 2: cost of doing things. That's the whole point. The whole

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Speaker 2: point of new mandates is to raise the cost of

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Speaker 2: doing the thing that they don't want you to do,

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Speaker 2: such that it is less expensive ultimately to do the

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Speaker 2: thing that they do want you to do. That's the

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Speaker 2: nature of the beast. And when they make choices for

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Speaker 2: you in terms of these regulations, well, that denies you

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Speaker 2: the opportunities to do other things. That's the opportunity cost.

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Speaker 2: What do I mean by this. Let's say that you

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Speaker 2: have an administration that doesn't like doesn't like fossil fuels,

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Speaker 2: doesn't like coal, doesn't like natural gas. And you're the

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Speaker 2: owner of a pizzeria, you know, pizzeria in South Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, And you guys have a coal

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Speaker 2: a coal fired oven, or even a natural gas fired oven,

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Speaker 2: and the federal government comes in and says, well, we

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Speaker 2: don't want you to have that kind of an oven anymore.

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Speaker 2: We want to get rid of coal, certainly coal, but

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Speaker 2: we also want to get rid of natural gas powered ovens.

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Speaker 2: So therefore you are now mandated to buy a new oven. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's assume for a moment that that new oven is

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Speaker 2: going to cost you thirty thousand dollars. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what a new oven costs, new pizza oven costs, But

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Speaker 2: the bottom line is, whatever the money is, thirty twenty

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Speaker 2: five thousand, forty thousand, whatever it is, that's money you

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Speaker 2: can't use elsewhere in your business to hire new employees,

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Speaker 2: to invest in a new software system to make things

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Speaker 2: more productive. That's opportunity cost. These things matter. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: so we did a really great report a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago on this. It's up at the CPACK website.

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Speaker 13: Again.

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Speaker 2: If you're not following me on Twitter, please do so

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Speaker 2: at Andrew Underscore, Langer, La and Ger. You know every

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Speaker 2: day I do every day. Every Monday, I do a

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Speaker 2: blog for CEPAC on the regulatory comments that I filed

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Speaker 2: the previous week. And we continue to be engaged, you know,

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Speaker 2: filing you know, at least one set of comments per day,

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Speaker 2: if not more. Spent a chunk of time drafting stuff

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Speaker 2: yesterday because that's that's how I spend my off hours.

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Speaker 2: But let's let's go here. We want to go back

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Speaker 2: to this democratic agenda and the things that matter. And

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Speaker 2: I want to play this again. Eric Swalwell running for

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Speaker 2: governor in California, laying out the playbook, but I want

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Speaker 2: to start with this, uh, the framework. Let's go ahead,

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Speaker 2: Land and play cut number four.

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Speaker 8: Please their immunity, they're not going to be able to drive.

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Speaker 8: I will take your driver's license. Good luck walking to work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so he calls them a holes, he calls

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Speaker 2: ICE members a holes and says he's going to take

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Speaker 2: away their driver's license. And he's giddy about it. There's

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Speaker 2: a woman who laughs at the tail end. I think

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Speaker 2: I missed it there. I tried highlighting it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: he's speaking to a democratic crowd. They love this. They

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Speaker 2: eat it up with a spoon. That's what he wants.

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Speaker 2: That's what a democratic, a California Democratic crowd wants. But

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Speaker 2: then he continues and he goes to start to lay

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Speaker 2: out the playbook. Let's go ahead and play cut number five.

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Speaker 8: Law enforcement to use every power to prosecute them for battery,

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Speaker 8: false imprisonment, and murder. You know me, I'm not shy.

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Speaker 8: Over the last ten years I worked on the Russia

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Speaker 8: investigation with Adam Schiff. I helped lead the second impeachment

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Speaker 8: as a manager. I've got the only lawsuit that has

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Speaker 8: survived this new presidency. It's me and the January sixth Officers.

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Speaker 8: I'm not naive about who he is. There's only one

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Speaker 8: side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: There's a band name Eric Swalwell and the January sixth Officers.

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Speaker 2: But that's what it is. It is all of these

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Speaker 2: guys trying to outdo each other and looking at what

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Speaker 2: happened in Virginia in the fall, looking at Abigail Spanberger's victory.

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Speaker 2: You know, she comes into office first day, ten different

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Speaker 2: executive orders, undoing the work. And you know, here's the

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Speaker 2: fascinating thing is Glenn Youngkin was not a particularly you know,

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Speaker 2: ardent red meat eating conservative. He's certainly conservative, not as

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Speaker 2: conservative as some, but he was a conservative governing in

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Speaker 2: what is arguably a very purple state and you know,

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Speaker 2: doing things that were common sense. Abigail Spamberger comes in

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Speaker 2: and starts undoing that agenda almost immediately, among other things,

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Speaker 2: by making it clear that local law enforcement doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to cooperate with ICE. This is amazing to me that

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Speaker 2: we are at this point in time where the Democrats

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Speaker 2: create a problem. This is a Democrat created problem. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, this is something that democrats warned about.

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Speaker 2: I got a bunch of these things here again, Landa,

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Speaker 2: We're going to jump down here. I'm I'm sure you.

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Speaker 2: Tony played this for you last week. Here is Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton in nineteen ninety five talking about illegal immigration. Play

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Speaker 2: cut number seventeen.

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Speaker 13: Our nation was built by immigrants. People from every region

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Speaker 13: of the world have made lasting and important contributions to

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Speaker 13: our society.

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Speaker 2: We support legal.

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Speaker 13: Immigration, but we won't tolerate immigration by people whose first

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Speaker 13: act is to break the law as they enter our country.

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Speaker 13: We must continue to do everything we can to strengthen

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Speaker 13: our borders, enforce our laws, and remove illegal aliens from

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Speaker 13: our country. As I said in my State of the

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Speaker 13: Union address, we are a nation of immigrants, but we're

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Speaker 13: also a nation of laws. And it is wrong and

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Speaker 13: ultimately self defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit

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Speaker 13: the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have

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Speaker 13: seen in recent years.

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Speaker 2: Let me talk a little bit of it, so that's

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Speaker 2: when we may come back to that. But that was

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Speaker 2: thirty one years ago. How quaint that is that a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Democrat president of the United States would express those things

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Speaker 2: which are self evident truths. You break the law to

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Speaker 2: come here. You've broken the law, You've jumped the line.

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Speaker 2: It's disrespectful. The folks who do follow the rules did

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Speaker 2: the right thing and waited in line to come into

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Speaker 2: this country. The Democrats then created this problem. Oh and

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Speaker 2: by the way, it wasn't limited to Bill Clinton, and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't limited to nineteen ninety five. Here is Cecilia Munos,

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Speaker 2: an Obama advisor, on this. Here she is talking about

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Speaker 2: it in twenty eleven. Let's pick out on my nineteen

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Speaker 2: landon this.

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Speaker 7: Administration continue to oversee the deportation of four hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: people a year as.

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Speaker 14: Long as Congress gives us the money to do pour

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Speaker 14: four hundred thousand people a year. That's what the administration

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Speaker 14: is going to do. That's our obligation under the law.

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Speaker 14: We will be strategic about how we do it, and

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Speaker 14: the number of those folks who are either criminals or

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Speaker 14: recent arrivals will continue to go up. But yes, this

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Speaker 14: is our obligation under the law. And you have a

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Speaker 14: community of ten million, eleven million people living and working

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Speaker 14: in the United States, illegally. Some of these things are

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Speaker 14: going to happen. Even if the law is executed with perfection,

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Speaker 14: there will be parents separated from their children. We don't

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Speaker 14: have to like it. Congress passed a law, and Congress

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Speaker 14: appropriates funds to implement that law, and the executive branch's

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Speaker 14: job is to enforce it, so the president can't end it.

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Speaker 2: There there's a reason why they referred to Barack Obama

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Speaker 2: as the deporter in chief. And yet this is where

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Speaker 2: we are. And you have to ask yourself what changed.

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Speaker 2: Is it just you know, politics changing, or is it

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Speaker 2: the refinement and the recognition that this is a pressure

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Speaker 2: point on American society? And I think it's the latter.

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, this is

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Speaker 2: about power. This is about holding on to power. This

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Speaker 2: is about Donald Trump doing things.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think if Donald Trump turned around and said tomorrow

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Speaker 2: once again he wanted to find a solution for the Dreamers,

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Speaker 2: which is what he said in twenty fifteen and sixteen,

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Speaker 2: the left would all of a sudden have a problem

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Speaker 2: with Dreamers. Right, you want to get rid of the

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Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidies, just have Donald Trump call them the Trump subsidies.

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Speaker 2: In any case, we're going to come back and we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about where we are now a little

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Speaker 2: bit more we've got We're gonna we're going to hear

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Speaker 2: about Don Lemon's adventures on the ground in Minneapolis. I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats today. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: fascinating to me because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: there is a massive bait and switch that is at

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Speaker 2: work here, which is the Democrats focus on the the

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Speaker 2: issue of Trump and whatever Trump wants to do. They

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Speaker 2: want to push back. You elect us, We're gonna we're

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Speaker 2: gonna push back. You elect j Jones Attorney General of Virginia,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to push back. You would you know

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Speaker 2: Eric Swallwell, he's going to do this. But what they

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Speaker 2: leave out, of course, is all of the garbage that

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Speaker 2: come along with it, all of the inane things. As

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Speaker 2: I said at the beginning of the hour, you know,

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Speaker 2: you talk about regulation, right, Joe Biden ran as the

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Speaker 2: anti Donald Trump. Right, Chuck Schumer is saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: we run twenty twenty six where the anti Donald. We're

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Speaker 2: going to push back on Doge and what Doge did

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Speaker 2: and what the Trump administration has done. Abigail Spanberger running

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Speaker 2: in Virginia, this is what she's going to do, and

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Speaker 2: then you drill down on it, and somebody, a colleague

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Speaker 2: of mine also in radio posts that, you know, one

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Speaker 2: of the very first things that the Democrats in Virginia

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Speaker 2: have done. And I would check to make sure the

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Speaker 2: Democrats in Indiana are not doing this as well. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there are some localities that are working on this,

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Speaker 2: pushing to ban gas powered leaf blowers. I think gas

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Speaker 2: power lawnmowers as well, but certainly the idea of leaf blowers. Now,

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Speaker 2: they tried to do this in Montgomery County, Maryland. So

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Speaker 2: the suburb of Washington, d C. Right DC abuts right

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Speaker 2: onto Montgomery County and Prince George's County. The leftists in

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Speaker 2: Montgomery County tried to do this and then they realized

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Speaker 2: just what a negative impact it was going to have

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Speaker 2: on Oh, what are their other important constituencies, that being

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Speaker 2: migrant workers who do work be is remember right with Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason why they're fighting so hard for

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Speaker 2: migrants is they want that cheap and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: say cheap slave labor that migrant labor ostensibly provides to

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Speaker 2: them oh, well, you know, so the two things come

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Speaker 2: into confidt Oh wait, you mean if we make all

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Speaker 2: of these inexpensive migrant workers go out and buy new equipment,

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Speaker 2: that's going to drive up the cost of my long care.

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Speaker 2: It's going to make it on par with what we

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Speaker 2: would have to pay an American citizen for it legally. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so they put them end to it. Well, Virginia not

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Speaker 2: learning from that mistake, is going down that road. But

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Speaker 2: back to Minneapolis and people who can seem to help themselves.

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Speaker 2: So so Don Lemon is on the ground in this

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Speaker 2: in this church, and he this morning he posted a

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Speaker 2: video essentially admitting that that his plan was to get

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Speaker 2: involved with this incitement, right, not to be a journalist

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Speaker 2: who's watching, but participating. Let's go ahead, land and play

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Speaker 2: cut number eight.

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Speaker 15: Into Minneapolis a little bit ago and did some some

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Speaker 15: reconnaissance on the ground and speaking to an organization there

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Speaker 15: that's gearing up too for resistance and protests. I've been surprised,

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Speaker 15: pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.

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Speaker 2: In the Verse community. If you see this.

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Speaker 15: When we first pulled up, we're like, wait a minute,

876
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Speaker 15: what is which? Which operation are we at? And as

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Speaker 15: it turns out, because we were like, well this is

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Speaker 15: kind of Maga codd, right, so the American plan or whatever,

879
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 15: but these are resistance protests, are planning an operation that

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Speaker 15: we're going to follow them on. I can't tell you

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Speaker 15: exactly what they're doing, but it's called Operation pull Up

882
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Speaker 15: and it's the Chema Arms song.

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Speaker 2: And she has been doing this since George Floyd. Okay,

884
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Speaker 2: let a stop to that. So so what this is

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Speaker 2: him getting involved? As John Justice if you heard the

886
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Speaker 2: first hour, John Justice talked about this. This is this

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Speaker 2: woman who was involved in the Black Lives Matter movement

888
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Speaker 2: and the George Floyd riots, et cetera, et cetera. I

889
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Speaker 2: remember Tim Wallace's wife, Uh, the first time she was

890
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Speaker 2: proud of America was when she smelled the tires burning

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis. This is this is what they want. This

892
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Speaker 2: is what they are trying to do. This is this

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Speaker 2: is their plan overall. So don letnon went to the church.

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Speaker 2: He was involved in this riot, and I want to

895
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Speaker 2: I want to play this, you know again talking about

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Speaker 2: the issue of the balancing of rights and the right

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Speaker 2: of those church goers to worship in peace. Right, They're

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Speaker 2: not harming anybody by being in their church and being

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Speaker 2: at church on a Sunday. They're just there to worship

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Speaker 2: God in their own way. And these interlopers came in

901
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Speaker 2: because they were under the mistaken impression because of Don

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Speaker 2: Lemon by the way, that their church pastor was somehow

903
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Speaker 2: involved with ice, which we now understand he was not.

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Speaker 2: Let's play tut number seven Landon. What do you think

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Speaker 2: of it? I mean, this is unacceptable, it's shameful. It's

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Speaker 2: shameful to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship.

907
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Speaker 2: But there were post I have to take care of

908
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Speaker 2: my flow.

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Speaker 12: Listen, we live in there's a Constitution in the First

910
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Speaker 12: Amendment to our freedom of speech and the freedom to

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Speaker 12: assemble a protest.

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Speaker 2: We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because

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Speaker 2: that's the hope of these cities. That's the hope of

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 7: Is Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Be very respectful, but please don't push me. Then we're here.

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Speaker 2: We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. Okay,

918
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Speaker 2: that's why we're here.

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Speaker 12: That's what we're about, which you think Jesus would be understanding.

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Speaker 2: We're about full stuff. No, Jesus would be angry. He

921
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Speaker 2: would be angry at this because this is the kind

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Speaker 2: of thing that the Romans would have done right, and

923
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Speaker 2: he would have talked about He would have talked about

924
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Speaker 2: the use of legalism. Again, coming down to this and

925
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Speaker 2: the fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment. At what the

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Speaker 2: First Amendment protects? Oh my god, I mean so much dumbness,

927
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Speaker 2: No wonder CNN fired his rear end and I gotta

928
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Speaker 2: tell you something, guys, I am holding it together in

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Speaker 2: terms of not uttering some kind of profanity. I have

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Speaker 2: too much respect for Tony. I have too much respect

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Speaker 2: for you to do that, to debase myself, to debase

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Speaker 2: these airwaves. But the fundamental misunderstanding the Bill of Rights,

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Speaker 2: the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Now, the Constitution

934
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Speaker 2: itself is a document that lays out the specific powers

935
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Speaker 2: of government, right the powers of government, and those powers

936
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Speaker 2: are limited and they are explicit. The federal government cannot

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Speaker 2: go beyond those powers. The Ninth Amendment says that the

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Speaker 2: enumeration in the Constitution of certain powers is not meant

939
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Speaker 2: to deny I'm sorry, of certain rights. Is not meant

940
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Speaker 2: to deny or disparage the existence of others. Right, you

941
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Speaker 2: retain everything that is not surrendered. The tenth Amendment says

942
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Speaker 2: that the powers that are not expressly given to the

943
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Speaker 2: federal government are reserved to the states or to the people.

944
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Speaker 2: The two things go hand in hand. But the first

945
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Speaker 2: eight amendments of the Bill of Rights are about further

946
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Speaker 2: constraints on federal government power. That's the nature of the beast.

947
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Speaker 2: So your first amendment, right exists to prevent the government

948
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Speaker 2: from intruding on your ability to worship, the government from

949
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Speaker 2: intruding on your ability to worship, your ability to avoice

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Speaker 2: your grievances against the government, your ability to inform other

951
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Speaker 2: citizens about what's going on in the world, your ability

952
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Speaker 2: to assemble with other people. Right. That is the first

953
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Speaker 2: amendment of the Constitution to prevent government from acting. It's

954
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Speaker 2: not designed to give every Yahoo who wants to go

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Speaker 2: and invade at church licensed to invade that church and

956
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Speaker 2: interrupt a service. You want to know why America has

957
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: gotten to the place that it is. It's because places

958
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Speaker 2: like CNN allowed the Don Lemons of the world to

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Speaker 2: have a microphone. That's the problem. Listen more to come.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today, So we're

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Speaker 2: back everybody. I'm Andrew Langer and for Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 2: So glad I can join you and you can join

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Speaker 2: me on this Monday, cold cold Monday in January. I

964
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Speaker 2: can't believe it's January nineteenth already. It's just stunning to me.

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Speaker 2: You can join the conversation Facebook dot com slash Andrew

966
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Speaker 2: Langer Show. You can also at me on Twitter at

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Speaker 2: Andrew underscore Langer. Listen. I want to send a shout

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Speaker 2: out to Mike and Alexis who are listening. They dropped

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Speaker 2: me a note, so glad you guys are tuning in today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm sorry, I'm gonna miss you guys. I

971
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Speaker 2: think you guys may wind up going out to this

972
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Speaker 2: event that Tony's doing on Saturday a bum then I'm

973
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Speaker 2: gonna miss that. I'm gonna try to come out to

974
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Speaker 2: the next one so you all have fun. So I

975
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Speaker 2: felt like I kind of rushed this at the end,

976
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: this situation, I mean, we have we have lost our

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Speaker 2: collective minds. I stand by that. I think what is

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Speaker 2: happening on the ground in Minneapolis is emblematic of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a minute here

980
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: and talk about this, because you know, I don't wanna.

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Speaker 2: I don't wanna. I don't want to limit this to

982
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: the left. I want to be really clear about this. Well,

983
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: actually will limit this to the left. But I think

984
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: there are folks who can be easily led, and I

985
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Speaker 2: think we need to guard ourselves as conservatives, as small

986
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Speaker 2: l libertarians, as free market, limited government types. We've got

987
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: to be mindful about folks who want to take advantage

988
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Speaker 2: of the work that we are doing. Because I see

989
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Speaker 2: what's happening on the ground in Minneapolis, and I listen

990
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Speaker 2: to the words of the Don Lemon's of the world

991
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: right and Don Lemon, who a trusted voice, trusted voice

992
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Speaker 2: on CNN for so long. CNN, which is supposed to

993
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Speaker 2: be the moderate of the networks, is supposed to represent

994
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Speaker 2: a middle ground. But when you have somebody who's on

995
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Speaker 2: CNN or now formerly on CNN who doesn't have a

996
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: fundamental understanding, right, you know, Don Lemon, part of a

997
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: major mainstream media outlet, who doesn't understand exactly what the

998
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: First Amendment does, that's a dangerous place for America to

999
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: be because he doesn't understand what his rights are, what

1000
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Speaker 2: they encompass, what the guard rails are on those rights,

1001
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: and no wonder I mean so a miracle he wasn't

1002
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: fired earlier from CNN, and now he's off doing this

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Speaker 2: independent journalism thing where there are no guardrails on what

1004
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Speaker 2: he's doing. And we've seen how dangerous that is with

1005
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Speaker 2: other folks who are out there purporting to be quote

1006
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: unquote journalists, but who nevertheless aren't bound by any kind

1007
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Speaker 2: of objective reality or understanding of the way the world works.

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: So you know, I sit here and I watch, I

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Speaker 2: watch the destruction of a beautiful city, a beautiful community

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Speaker 2: like Minneapolis, the twin cities Minneapolis Saint Paul, which aren't

1011
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: really twin cities by the way, I can get on

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Speaker 2: my soapbox after being out in Minneapolis for the two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight Republican National Convention. I think the twin

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Speaker 2: cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul are like twin cities

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Speaker 2: like DC in Baltimore twin cities, or New York and Newark,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. They're not really twin cities. They're just sort

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Speaker 2: of near each other. But my point is that we've

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Speaker 2: seen what happens when these leftist policies are left unchecked.

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Speaker 2: You know, whether it is electing a governor whose wife

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Speaker 2: is enthused by the smell of burning tires, or a

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Speaker 2: governor who turns a blind eye towards rampant corruption on

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Speaker 2: the part of a population because it serves a political

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Speaker 2: purpose for him. It allows him to hold on to power.

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Speaker 2: And you see how people you know take advantage of this,

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Speaker 2: or or a president and a vice president who allow rampant,

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Speaker 2: unchecked illegal immigration to happen over the course of four

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Speaker 2: years and leave folks with the aftermath. Right, Tim Waltz,

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Speaker 2: You know, the rumor was that Amy Klobuchar was going

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Speaker 2: to run for governor, and she got elected, she would

1030
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Speaker 2: appoint Tim Waltz to be her successor. So Tim Waltz

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Speaker 2: would go into the Senate and we all know what

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Speaker 2: his agenda would be. Right, this is assuming he stays

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Speaker 2: out of jail. But I want to offer up a

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Speaker 2: word of caution here on the other side of the aisle,

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Speaker 2: on our side of the aisle, because I get deeply concerned,

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Speaker 2: you know about about folks, for instance, infiltrating you know,

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Speaker 2: say what you will about RFK Junior, and say what

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Speaker 2: you will about some of the sensible things that are

1039
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Speaker 2: being done by folks like Marty McCarry and doctor Oz.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got a little bit from Marty McCarry here,

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to play right now. We'll play

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Speaker 2: it later. About the President's health plan that he announced

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Speaker 2: last week. You know, I was working on trying to

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Speaker 2: get somebody on to talk about the nutrition guidelines that

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Speaker 2: came down a week before last. You know, thankfully this administration,

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Speaker 2: there was a real possibility that they were going to

1047
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Speaker 2: announce I want you to let you let this sink

1048
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Speaker 2: in for a minute. There is enormous pressure on America's

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Speaker 2: public health agencies to declare that there is no safe

1050
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Speaker 2: serving of alcohol, right, not drinking in moderation and not

1051
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Speaker 2: saying okay, here's what moderation means, but to say there

1052
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Speaker 2: is no safe serving of alcohol. There is a global

1053
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Speaker 2: neo temperance movement. I know it sounds like some weird

1054
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. It is not. But you know, the Maha

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Speaker 2: movement goes beyond this, or at least not right. We all,

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Speaker 2: we all, we all haven't had an understanding of what

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Speaker 2: the Maha movement was supposed to be when it when

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Speaker 2: it was coming to power when President Trump got re

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Speaker 2: elected and RFK Junior was appointed over it to Health

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Speaker 2: and Human Services, that it was going to be things

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Speaker 2: like making sure that uh, you know, there's an that

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Speaker 2: we recognize that that animal fats are not inherently bad.

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Speaker 2: In fact, in many cases they might be preferred to

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Speaker 2: uh uh nut and seed oils. But the bottom line

1065
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Speaker 2: here would be that everything in moderation. But then I

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Speaker 2: began to see some very disturbing things start to happen.

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Speaker 2: Advocacy in areas. You know, one of the areas in

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Speaker 2: which the administration has been great is the area of

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Speaker 2: environmental regulatory reform. President gets elected, President Trump gets elected,

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Speaker 2: and he wants to make America an energy powerhouse, energy

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Speaker 2: dominant uh and and economically an economic powerhouse and economically

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Speaker 2: dominant around the world. You know, that's what making America

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Speaker 2: great again is all about. And part of this, as

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, is this issue of regulatory reform. So

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Speaker 2: you know, when you add one point eight trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: in new regulations, that puts a hamstring on the economy.

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Speaker 2: Our good friend Wayne Cruz from the Competitive Enterprise Institute

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Speaker 2: talks about how this weighs down the economy. The idea

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Speaker 2: of regulatory dark matter. As Wayne says, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to teach the grass how to grow. You just have

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Speaker 2: to remove the rocks from the lawn. And if you

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Speaker 2: cover the lawn in rocks, you're gonna get You're not

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Speaker 2: gonna have a lawn. You're just gonna have a rock garden.

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Speaker 2: Some folks might find beautiful, but it really isn't all

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Speaker 2: that productive. So Lee Zelden comes in, former congressman from

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Speaker 2: New York, comes in as EP administrator and starts to

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Speaker 2: put America on the right track when it comes to

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Speaker 2: environmental regulations, doing all kinds of really good and interesting

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Speaker 2: things to peel back on this on this one point

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Speaker 2: eight trillion dollars of added regulatory burden. By the way,

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Speaker 2: let me put that in context. And I know, Landy,

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Speaker 2: we got to go to a break. So so Trump

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Speaker 2: leaves office. Regulations cost the American economy to an a

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Speaker 2: quarter trillion dollars annually to an a quarter trillion. Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden almost doubles that by adding another one point eight

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Speaker 2: trillion dollars in all kinds of mandates, a lot of

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Speaker 2: it having to do with energy in the environment. Lee

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Speaker 2: Zelden comes in and is working to undo that on

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Speaker 2: things like greenhouse gas mandates, you know, climate change mandates,

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Speaker 2: on things like making sure that we have cars that

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Speaker 2: actually have engines that work and don't require to go

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Speaker 2: get you know, batteries that can have huge environmental impacts.

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Speaker 2: And so what's happening is we're starting to see elements

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Speaker 2: of the MAHA movement who don't like what Lee Zelden

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Speaker 2: is doing. Now, remember RFK Junior, you know something stick

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Speaker 2: a pin in this. When we come back, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about RFK Junior's record when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the environment and why this is a problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today. Welcome back, everybody. I am Andrew Langer. I'm

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Speaker 2: so glad I could join you and you can join

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Speaker 2: me here on Tony Katz Today. So listen. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about this situation with RFK and my and my concerns

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Speaker 2: and again, there are some good things that are being

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Speaker 2: done when it comes to healthcare, very much so. And

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Speaker 2: in the next hour we'll probably want to talk We're

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Speaker 2: certainly going to talk about this with Jerry Rodgers when

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Speaker 2: he joins us at two thirty five or thirty five

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Speaker 2: minutes after the next hour, depending on when you're listening.

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Speaker 2: Jerry is the editor of Real Clear Policy and Real

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Speaker 2: Clear Health. But one of the things that concerns me

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Speaker 2: so RFK Junior, before he ran for president, before he

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Speaker 2: was involved in this, in this healthcare on the Republicans

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Speaker 2: side of the aisle. RFK Junior was very much involved

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Speaker 2: in the environmental movement in New York. And we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the left of the left environmental movement in New York.

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Speaker 2: And one of the dangers right of allowing you know,

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Speaker 2: as always when you bring in somebody whose politics are

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Speaker 2: not actually aligned with the overall strategy of an administration,

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Speaker 2: is it occasionally they bring a certain degree of baggage,

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Speaker 2: or they could bring a certain degree of baggage with

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Speaker 2: them into the midst And so one of the things

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Speaker 2: that I get concerned about. Let me actually add to

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Speaker 2: this before I get to this, there's another dimension to

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Speaker 2: all of this. Anytime movements go a certain distance and

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Speaker 2: movements are successful, there is a class, and I will

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Speaker 2: just call them the rifter class. The folks who see

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Speaker 2: the success of movement they want to glom on and

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Speaker 2: they want to make either money or a reputation over it.

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Speaker 2: So they announced that they are the new X or

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Speaker 2: there are some aspect of X, and a prime example

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Speaker 2: of this are the myriad entities that sprung up in

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Speaker 2: the wake of the Tea Party movement after two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine. I'll never forget the very first time I

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Speaker 2: had a conversation with somebody. Some guy had bought years

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: and years ago teaparty dot org as a UURL, and

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Speaker 2: he was walking around the big Seapac conference proclaiming himself

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Speaker 2: to be the leader of the tea Party movement because

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Speaker 2: he had teaparty dot org. Now he hadn't done anything

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Speaker 2: with it, he had nothing behind him, but he was

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Speaker 2: trying to make a name for himself, and I took

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Speaker 2: great umbrage at this. Now, I'm not going to set

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Speaker 2: myself up as the founder of the Tea Party movement,

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Speaker 2: because there really is no single founder except for Rick Santelli,

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Speaker 2: I would suppose, and a handful of others who were

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Speaker 2: the early sort of early folks in you know, Amy

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Speaker 2: Kramer and Jenny Beth Martin and the folks at AFP

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Speaker 2: and Brendan Stein, I got to go through a whole

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Speaker 2: list of people who were actually leaders in this movement.

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Speaker 2: But you know, come year, and by the way, for

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Speaker 2: the first you know, year or so of the movement,

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Speaker 2: the establishmentarians were very skeptical of it up until the

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Speaker 2: September twelfth rally of two thousand and nine, you know,

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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand people on the on the ground in DC.

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Speaker 2: But within a year or so after that, various entities

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Speaker 2: started popping up and tried to proclaim themselves as leaders

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Speaker 2: of the movement. And what they were really trying to

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Speaker 2: do was make money, really really wanting to siphon off resources.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to say that these were left

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Speaker 2: leaning organizations, though there were some left leaning organizations that

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Speaker 2: attempted to do this. So now you have MAGA and MAHA,

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Speaker 2: and you have the allowance of a former left wing

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Speaker 2: hero in the environmental movement, RFK Junior. He becomes HHS secretary. Now,

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Speaker 2: for a certain percentage of leftists, this was a crossing

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Speaker 2: of the rubicon. RFK Junior is now part of the

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Speaker 2: Trump establishment. Therefore he must be destroyed. Right, So there's

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Speaker 2: certainly that aspect of it out there. But then there

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 2: is a certain element of folks, certain folks who are

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Speaker 2: still continuing to push the RFK approach to environmental regulation.

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Speaker 2: And I will say that, you know, along those same lines,

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Speaker 2: there has been a disturbing number of organizations that have

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Speaker 2: popped up using the MAHA mantle that are pushing for

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Speaker 2: things that are decidedly not free market, limited government and

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Speaker 2: pro regulatory reform. There are folks out there who are

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Speaker 2: for Lee Zelden to either be fired or demanding that

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Speaker 2: he stepped down, even after he is doing great work

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Speaker 2: as EPA administrator. I guess my word of caution to

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Speaker 2: all of you today is to make sure that as

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Speaker 2: you're seeing groups out there that are proffering these things,

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Speaker 2: figure out who they are, figure out how long they've

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Speaker 2: been around, figure out who the principles are who are involved,

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Speaker 2: and whether or not they are conservatives in the real

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Speaker 2: sense of the word. Here's the thing that I come

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Speaker 2: back to, Guys. All we can do as conservatives, as

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Speaker 2: smaller libertarians, all we can be is consistent in what

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Speaker 2: we say, what we believe, and how we advocate for things. Now, obviously,

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Speaker 2: in the face of new evidence, we should change our

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Speaker 2: opinions on things. Absolutely we don't take things as a

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Speaker 2: matter of faith. We take things on evidence and we

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Speaker 2: see unless we're talking about faith, obviously. The bottom line

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Speaker 2: here is we don't change our opinion about issues because

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Speaker 2: of the politics of the situation or because some new

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Speaker 2: leader is in power who advocates for these things. This

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Speaker 2: is what Pete Townshend warned us against in the song

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Speaker 2: we won't get fooled again. Meet the new boss same

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Speaker 2: as the old boss. We have to guard ourselves against this.

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Speaker 2: All we can be is is consistent. Now, in the

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Speaker 2: next hour, listen, I want to start talking about Greenland

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Speaker 2: because that's a fascinating flashpoint, as well as some of

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Speaker 2: the economics news that came up. We are going to

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Speaker 2: be joined by my good buddy Jerry Rodgers, the editor

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Speaker 2: of Real Policy and Real Clear Health, talk about the

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01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: president's healthcare announcement of late last week. If you want

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: to join the conversation Facebook dot Com, slash Andrew Langer Show,

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Speaker 2: or at me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer, go

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Speaker 2: and check out my work that's out there. I am

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer and for Tony Kats Today, and this is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katts.

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Speaker 1: Today Live from the Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Hey guys, I am Andrew Langer

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Speaker 2: in for Tony Katz today, So glad I can join you,

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Speaker 2: and you can join me. If you like what you hear,

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Speaker 2: you know you can check me out. In addition to

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Speaker 2: doing radio for Tony, I do some other radio work.

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Speaker 2: Follow me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer for all

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Speaker 2: the latest stuff. I do a weekly public policy deep dive.

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Speaker 2: It's an interview show called The Lunch Hour. It's on

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Speaker 2: a platform called the Federal News Wire. This week's episode,

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Speaker 2: I interview the head of the Virginia Academy of Family Physicians,

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Speaker 2: which is actually apropos what we're going to be talking

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Speaker 2: about in this hour. But you know, I just had

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Speaker 2: on somebody Brian Darling's talk about Venezuela. I'm my concern

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Speaker 2: it's there or some of the concerns that are out

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Speaker 2: there there. All kinds of fun stuff on the Lunch

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Speaker 2: Hour podcast. Going to be joined later on in this

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Speaker 2: hour by Jerry Rodgers, who is nominally my co host

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Speaker 2: on Andrew and Jerry Save the World. That we haven't

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Speaker 2: done an episode of that in a bit. Perhaps we'll

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Speaker 2: take today's interview, and we'll put that up there as

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Speaker 2: a as a special just so y'all, you know, so

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Speaker 2: you can sort of get a sense as to who

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Speaker 2: we are and what we're up to. So it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I was apropos of what we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: in the next few minutes because Jerry Rodgers when he

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Speaker 2: joins us, he's also the editor of Real Clear Health

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Speaker 2: Healthcare Expert Extraordinaire. I'm sitting at home over the weekend

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Speaker 2: and I get a text message from something called Clara

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Speaker 2: k l A r A asking me to log in

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Speaker 2: and confirm a dermatologist's appointment. What the heck is this?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm like, thinking, I don't have a dermatology appointment.

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Speaker 2: It's telling me that I've got a dermatology appointment in

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Speaker 2: February and this, that and the other thing, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I honestly have no idea what this is.

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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to peel things back and we can't

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Speaker 2: get into various websites. So I'm on the break. I

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Speaker 2: was on the first break and I called and I

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Speaker 2: didn't have enough time to talk to them. So during

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Speaker 2: the ten minute break there, I called back, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I trying to figure out when this appointment was made.

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Speaker 2: And the woman that the dermatology clinic says, well, was

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Speaker 2: made in August. I'm like August, Okay, yeah, I see,

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Speaker 2: I got a text message about that, no email, no

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Speaker 2: nothing else. And then I'm like, well, when when was

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Speaker 2: the when was the referral made? And she goes, oh,

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Speaker 2: this looks like it was made in June. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: good lord, you know, And and I go back through

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Speaker 2: my calendar and I did go see my primary care

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Speaker 2: physician about a couple of the different things in June,

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Speaker 2: and and you know, here I am. Now I never

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Speaker 2: did math on the air, but you know, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say June seventeenth through February seventeenth, that's eight months.

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Speaker 2: You know, God forbid right that I actually have something

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Speaker 2: going on with me that requires some kind of surgery.

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Speaker 2: And this gets into my overall concern about healthcare, which,

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Speaker 2: if you've never heard me talk about it, this is

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Speaker 2: in addition to the regulatory policy work that I do.

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Speaker 2: I do healthcare policy for Sepeck as the director of

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Speaker 2: the Coalition against Socialized Medicine. Don't like the name, but

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Speaker 2: this day and age, it actually works out really well.

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Speaker 2: Last week the President released a healthcare plan. We're going

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Speaker 2: to get into this a little more with Jerry Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: But here is Marty McCarry, who's a number two over

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Speaker 2: at Health and Human Services, Marty McCarty, Doctor Marty McCarry,

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Speaker 2: talking about this. Let's go ahead a land and play

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Speaker 2: cut twenty six.

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Speaker 16: Well, this is an exciting healthcare plan. If you look

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Speaker 16: at the Affordable Care Actor, people call the Unaffordable Care

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Speaker 16: Act because it failed in its mission to lower health

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Speaker 16: care costs. It created tens of thousands of new millionaires

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Speaker 16: in healthcare that are not patient facing middlemen and administrators.

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Speaker 16: And so what President Trump has said is that if

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Speaker 16: we're going to be giving government money into the healthcare system,

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Speaker 16: let's give it to Americans. Let's not just give it

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Speaker 16: to the insurance companies. Their stock has gone up seventeen

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Speaker 16: hundred percent since Alabamacare.

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Speaker 2: Let's have more price transparency.

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Speaker 16: You know, when you go to the hospital and you

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Speaker 16: ask for the price of something, American medicine has been

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Speaker 16: giving people the run around for fifty years. There's no

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Speaker 16: prices until President Trump started in his first term to

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Speaker 16: require hospitals to list prices. Well, in this plan that's

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Speaker 16: going to get expanded, you're going to get prices for everything,

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Speaker 16: and insurance companies are going to have to show the

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Speaker 16: prices of their products and what they cover in plain English.

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Speaker 16: It also calls to end a secret kickbacks to those

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Speaker 16: who sell the insurance company. Those kickbacks are giant and

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Speaker 16: you're not always getting an honest, uh sort of portrayal

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Speaker 16: of what's on the market because.

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Speaker 2: Of these kickbacks.

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Speaker 16: We as doctors are not allowed to accept kickbacks, and

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Speaker 16: neithers should healthcare's middlemen. And then final point is it

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Speaker 16: really builds on the actions to lower drug prices for

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Speaker 16: everyday Americans what we call most Favored Nation status, a

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Speaker 16: remarkable achievement that many said couldn't be done. President Trump

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Speaker 16: got it done thanks to doctor oz We at the

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Speaker 16: FDA contributed in the ways that we can. We're cutting

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Speaker 16: red tape and you're going to see more drugs go

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Speaker 16: to over the counter so you don't have to go

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Speaker 16: to the er and wait just to get a refill

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Speaker 16: on a prescription.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I appreciate a lot of what doctor mccury

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Speaker 2: has to say, but there there's a lot, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot that's not that's sort of not there, especially when

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Speaker 2: we talk about the the m FN issue, most Favored

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Speaker 2: nation issue, hugely problematic. Now, transparency is absolutely important preventing kickbacks,

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Speaker 2: both whether whether when it comes to insurance or when

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Speaker 2: it comes to what are called pharmacy benefits managers, where

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Speaker 2: where rebates are supposed to be given to consumers but

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Speaker 2: they're not and and the insurance companies essentially pocket the

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Speaker 2: difference or the PBM's pocket the difference. It's a it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a massive, massive problem in community pharmacies are

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Speaker 2: being shut out of the marketplace. Here's the problem. Let

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Speaker 2: me break it down for you. The mistake in America

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Speaker 2: that we make, well one of the mistakes, but the

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Speaker 2: probably the most major mistake in America that we make

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Speaker 2: is that we focus on healthcare as an insurance issue.

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Speaker 2: It's not. Healthcare and health insurance are two very different things.

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Speaker 2: Healthcare is the time essentially that you spend in front

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Speaker 2: of a healthcare provider, whether it's a doctor, a nurse,

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Speaker 2: or a physician's assistant. Right. It's also the technologies or

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Speaker 2: the pharmaceuticals that you take, right, Those are the two

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Speaker 2: basic components of this. There are the consumer goods that

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Speaker 2: are out there. Insurance or we call health insurance, is

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Speaker 2: really about cost sharing, right in the same way that

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Speaker 2: a costco membership is about cost sharing. You join Costco

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Speaker 2: or Sam's Club or whatever because you're joining with a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people and you're getting the benefits of economies

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Speaker 2: of scale, right, So you go in and this is

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Speaker 2: why you know, when you go to Costco, you get

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Speaker 2: to buy a package of steak that has ten stakes

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Speaker 2: in it, and that's why they can give you a

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Speaker 2: huge discount on those steaks again because all these other

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Speaker 2: folks are buying it. Or you buy a massive, a

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Speaker 2: massive package of toilet paper or paper towels. That's what

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Speaker 2: health insurance is supposed to be like. Now. The problem,

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Speaker 2: of course, is that when Costco starts running out of steak,

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Speaker 2: or when they start running out of toilet paper or

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Speaker 2: paper towels, they can go to their distributor their supplier

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Speaker 2: and order more, and presumably the supplier can deal with more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, prices go up obviously when the folks who

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Speaker 2: are in production or supply cannot meet the demand of

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Speaker 2: all of this. But in healthcare, you can't just easily

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Speaker 2: go and get more of a doctor's time. And the

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Speaker 2: problem is exacerbated by the fact that we're losing doctors

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Speaker 2: every year. More and more doctors are getting out of

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Speaker 2: the practice of medicine. So we've got increase in demand

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Speaker 2: for a good and declining supply and government is trying

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Speaker 2: to force down the cost. Now, the same thing can

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Speaker 2: be said for pharmaceuticals. So this idea of most favored

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Speaker 2: nation is a form of price control. And if we

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Speaker 2: have pushed back against price controls when Barack Obama was

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Speaker 2: president the first time, Donald Trump was president, while Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was president, well then we have to push back

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Speaker 2: against price controls now. Now the only way you can

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Speaker 2: get reductions in pharmaceutical prices is by creating more of

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Speaker 2: them here at home. Obviously, the pharmaceutical companies have to

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Speaker 2: recoup their investment. That's why there is a period of exclusivity.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here,

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Speaker 2: but we know that, let's say eighty percent to ninety

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Speaker 2: percent of the reduction in prescription drug prices comes from

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Speaker 2: when a drug goes from a name brand pharmaceuticalceutical to

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Speaker 2: being available as a generic. I'm sure there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there who are part of Novartis

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Speaker 2: or a part of whatever the various healthcare companies that

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Speaker 2: are here in the Indian Aptis area or that are

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Speaker 2: around throughout the Tony Katz listening area. This is why

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Speaker 2: so many of the name brand pharmaceutical companies have moved

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Speaker 2: into the generic side of things. We're also now at

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Speaker 2: a point where the first biologics are coming to the

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Speaker 2: end of their patent protections and folks are going to

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Speaker 2: be able to offer companies are going to be able

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Speaker 2: to offer the generic form of these biologics called biosimilars.

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Speaker 2: Just filed comments yesterday on the issue of making over

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Speaker 2: last week making sure that biosimilars are protected. But what

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Speaker 2: we don't want to do is engaging price controls that

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Speaker 2: drive down the incentive to innovate. That's the problem. We

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Speaker 2: have to maintain a circumstance in which the incentive to

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Speaker 2: innovate is it continues to be encouraged. We're gonna come

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Speaker 2: back to this. We're gonna hear from Rick Scott on

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Speaker 2: this as well. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 2: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be joining in a couple of minutes by Jerry Rogers,

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Speaker 2: the editor of Real Clear Policy and Real Clear Health,

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Speaker 2: going to be talking about a bunch of stuff that's

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Speaker 2: going on in the world, healthcare reform, etc. Because we

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Speaker 2: got a possibly a reconciliation package coming up, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, the President offers up this healthcare plan and

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Speaker 2: some of it is good, but you know, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, until we're going to get at

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Speaker 2: this issue of the supply, we got a real problem.

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Speaker 2: Here is Rick Scott. Now, Rick Scott is a doctor.

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Speaker 2: He's a member of the Senate from Florida. Here he

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Speaker 2: is talking about his thoughts on the President's plants play

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Speaker 2: Cut twenty seven.

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Speaker 17: I've been working on health care and getting health care

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Speaker 17: costs down my business career, and since I've been as

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Speaker 17: governor and in the Senate. What the President's put out

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Speaker 17: is the way we're going to get health care costs down.

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Speaker 17: So we can always continue to say, oh, we're going

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Speaker 17: to subsidize everybody, which is what the COVID subsidies did,

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Speaker 17: or we can say, let's drive down the cost of

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Speaker 17: health care. That's what the President wants to do I

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Speaker 17: have a build that's going to do that. You don't

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Speaker 17: let you don't direct them mind to insurance companies. You

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Speaker 17: give it to the individual. We need to help people.

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Speaker 17: I grew up in a family that didn't have health care.

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Speaker 17: I remember when my mom couldn't get health care from

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Speaker 17: my little brother had a disease. I want people to

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Speaker 17: get health care. Let people buy their own health care

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Speaker 17: if we're going to support them, which we need to

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Speaker 17: help some. Give them the cash in an account, they

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Speaker 17: can buy insurance, they can pay copains, inductibles, can go

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Speaker 17: buy health care directly, and let them buy what they

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Speaker 17: want to buy, and make sure people they know exactly

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Speaker 17: what things cost.

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Speaker 2: That's what the prison is.

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Speaker 17: Trying to get done. I believe eventually will all come

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Speaker 17: together and say we've got to drive health care costs down.

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Speaker 2: That's what this does. Let's keep in mind that the

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Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act was essentially a big buy off for

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Speaker 2: big insurance. There was a deal that was struck, and

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Speaker 2: big insurance knew that so long as Democrats were in charge,

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Speaker 2: that they were going to work towards towards essentially getting

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Speaker 2: rid of privatized health insurance, and so they were bought

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Speaker 2: off in the interim. Right, Listen, if you understand anything

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Speaker 2: about communism and socialism, and I'm someone who has a

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01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 2: degree in Soviet studies, my undergraduate degrees in this, you

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: know that socialism is the transitional phase between capitalism and communism. Right,

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Speaker 2: Eventually it's leading towards communism. That's classic marks, classic marks

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Speaker 2: and angles, et cetera, et cetera. Well, you can also

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Speaker 2: say that the Obamacare insurance extent changes were the were

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Speaker 2: the transitional phase between a truly free market or at

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Speaker 2: one point a truly free market healthcare system, or part

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Speaker 2: of the transitional phase between a free market healthcare system

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Speaker 2: and or socialized health insurance. Right, and so in the

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01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 2: interim they were going to get huge amounts of money.

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Speaker 2: And and you know that's why they have lobbied so

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Speaker 2: hard for these kinds of subsidies and to make sure

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Speaker 2: that the Obamacare subsidies were at work. But none of

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Speaker 2: the things that actually would drive down consumer costs, namely

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Speaker 2: supply and issues of efficiency and transpendent price, transparency and competition,

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Speaker 2: none of those things were at work in Obamacare. In fact,

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Speaker 2: you know, before Obamacare passed, I used to talk about

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Speaker 2: this about the issue of the only areas in which

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Speaker 2: you saw healthcare costs go down were in those areas

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Speaker 2: in which consumers were paying the market cost for a

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Speaker 2: good or service. The example I like to use was

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Speaker 2: laser eye surgery. Laser surgery. Right. For the longest time,

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Speaker 2: lasik surgery wasn't covered by insurance. Now you could save

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Speaker 2: up for it and do it under a health savings

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Speaker 2: account or a flex spending account, but you had to

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Speaker 2: buy it on the marketplace. And what happened is there

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Speaker 2: was competition, Various providers got the equipment, there were improvements

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Speaker 2: in the equipment, and the price came down and the

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Speaker 2: service got better. And rather than apply those kinds of

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Speaker 2: ideas to healthcare generally, we moved in the wrong direction

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Speaker 2: with Obamacare, which was all about again creating this transitional phase,

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Speaker 2: getting people into insurance and not care. This is part

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Speaker 2: of the reason why the Affordable Care Act specifically issued

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Speaker 2: ESCHEWD issued or discriminated against health savings accounts hsas right,

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Speaker 2: because the best way to do this, the best way

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Speaker 2: to do a healthcare system, frankly, is to have people

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Speaker 2: have a combination of a health savings account.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if folks taking the money that they were spending

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Speaker 2: being forced to spend by the way on Obamacare, or

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Speaker 2: the subsidy money that they would be getting from the

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Speaker 2: government on their health insurance, and putting that into an

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Speaker 2: interest bearing health savings account or a tax free or

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Speaker 2: a tax deferred health savings account, and then paying for

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Speaker 2: a high deductible health insurance in the traditional sense of insurance.

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Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? I mean, like with

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Speaker 2: your car or your homeowner's insurance. You don't use your

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Speaker 2: car insurance to pay for your routine maintenance on your car,

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01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: oil changes, tune ups, and things like that. You use

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Speaker 2: it for when you have an actual accident of some

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Speaker 2: kind of an emergency. That's what it's there for. Same

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Speaker 2: thing with your health insurance. You get health insurance that

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Speaker 2: only kicks in with a high deductible when you have

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Speaker 2: some kind of a medical emergency. Right, So you're saving,

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Speaker 2: saving and saving saving. You go down that road, and

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Speaker 2: for everything else, whether it's your prescription drugs, which you

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01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 2: can find other ways to reduce the cost for, or

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01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: your annual checkups with your primary care physician, all of

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01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 2: those things will be covered in that way. What I

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01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: appreciate about this idea of giving people the money instead

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01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: of insurance companies that it then forces a great deal

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Speaker 2: of additional efficiencies in ways that health insurance companies don't have,

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 2: especially if they're insurance companies that are owning hospital systems

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01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 2: and there's no incentive to reduce costs. It's a huge

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01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: problem out there. Well again, I'm not saying right that

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Speaker 2: that you know, you go into an emergency room, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to have the time or the effort to

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Speaker 2: go and and uh and and comparison shop. It's not

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. That's why you have high

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01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 2: deductible health insurance. But you know, in terms of figuring

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Speaker 2: out where you want to go for your medical care,

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Speaker 2: you know, your your annual checkup here, you visit to

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01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: the dermatologist for a review there. As I'm coming up with, right,

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Speaker 2: that would be that would be the way to do it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: some things are going to get help by this. But

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Speaker 2: the bottom line here, this is something I've been saying

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Speaker 2: for a while, is we don't have enough doctors, nurses

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Speaker 2: and physicians assistants to go around. And if we really

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Speaker 2: wanted to reduce the cost of basic primary care, we

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01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 2: should have been producing as many of these kinds of

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Speaker 2: physicians as many of these kinds of medical providers as possible,

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Speaker 2: starting fifteen years ago and then dealing with things like

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01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 2: certificates of need and the ability to practice medicine across

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Speaker 2: state lines, and telemedicine and encouraging telemedicine. Now we're going

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Speaker 2: to get into this with Jerry Rodgers. He is the

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Speaker 2: editor of Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health. He's also

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Speaker 2: my best buddy at Jerry Rodgers Show on Twitter. If

1534
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: you want to go and check him out. I'm Andrew Langer.

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Speaker 2: You can find me at Andrew Underscore Langer on Twitter

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Speaker 2: and x new episodes in the Federal news wire Lunch

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01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 2: Hour out my new blog on regulatory issues. But this,

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Speaker 2: of course is Tony Kats Today. Clearly Landon is rocking

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01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 2: with me today. Meet the new boss, same as the

1540
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: old boss, as the who's won't get fold can comes.

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Speaker 2: I talked about this earlier.

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Speaker 11: He's going.

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01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: By the way, you can check out by all episodes

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Speaker 2: of Tony kik that's today available online. Go and check

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01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: those out for whatever you've missed. I'm Andrew Langer in

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Speaker 2: for Tony Today. Joining me right now is my good

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01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 2: buddy he's my best bud. His name is Jerry Rogers.

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01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: He's the editor of Real Clear Policy, the editor of

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Speaker 2: Real Clear Health. He likes the Who, but he prefers

1550
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin. Jerry, did you ever see any of those

1551
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: laser Zeppelin Laser Floyd shows.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 11: When I was a kid, that was the big thing

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01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 11: to go to go see that. I actually taught Jimmy

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01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 11: Page with the firm at the brendan Burn Arena, so

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01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 11: that was better than any laser show. And of course

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Speaker 11: there were lasers during that because you know, Page would

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01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 11: would do his thing with the violin bo and and

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Speaker 11: all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: So I got to see j Page.

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Speaker 11: I've seen Robert playing a couple of times too.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's funny thinking. You know, Jerry knows this.

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01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: I went and had this epic trip to North Wales

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01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: last year and I want to I want to go back.

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01:32:58,880 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 2: And my wife was like, well, what do you want

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Speaker 2: to what do you want to say?

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Speaker 10: What?

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Speaker 2: You know we see the same things all over again. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we got to go to and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to butcher the name uh bron Your Hour or Bronier Hour,

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01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: which is the cottage in North Wales that Jimmy Page

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Speaker 2: and Robert Plant went to.

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Speaker 11: And of course the song black Dog was requested there.

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Speaker 2: Why you know why because there was a black dog

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01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 2: that they heard. Yes, yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 11: Because one day during recording a black dog showed up.

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Speaker 11: How cool was that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, very very cool.

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Speaker 11: If you do do this, Andrew not to again labor this,

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Speaker 11: but they set John Bonham's drums up in the vestibule

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Speaker 11: in the hallway in the center.

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Speaker 1: Of the house.

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Speaker 11: Wow, a very unique sound. I mean, these guys were

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Speaker 11: masterclass at what they did.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely one hundred percent. Not what I wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: you on to talk about, Jerry, but but we'd go

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Speaker 2: down that rabbit hole. So you and I had a conversation,

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Speaker 2: very brief conversation over the weekend about the President's healthcare plan.

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Speaker 2: I had asked you if there was any reference of

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Speaker 2: pharmacy benefits managers. Turns out there are. What do you

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Speaker 2: make of What do you make of what the president

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Speaker 2: proposed last week? We just heard from Marty McCarry, We

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01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 2: just heard from Rick Scott. Your thoughts on this and

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Speaker 2: what needs to happen with congressional legislation to make this

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Speaker 2: stuff permanent. Well, I'll say two things.

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Speaker 11: Number one, Reason of all places have written approvingly of

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01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 11: the President's plan, and so Reason Yes, Reason has a

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01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 11: piece out today. Go to Rickular Policy. It's linked there.

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Speaker 11: They say, there's a lot of good stuff in this plan.

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Speaker 11: I would agree if it's going to address healthcare costs

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Speaker 11: and healthcare access in real ways, not the fake phony

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01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 11: lies we're getting from Chuck Schumer and at Keem Jeffries

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01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 11: in the mainstream media about Obamacare subsidies.

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01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 2: Enhance the subsidies.

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Speaker 11: Look, we have to address the costs and access. And

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01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 11: the President I disagree with some stuff. I like some

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01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 11: stuff dealing with the PBM middle man.

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Speaker 2: I think that's good.

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Speaker 11: Any kind of price setting, of course, the most favored

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01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 11: nation price issue. These things bother me. But no one

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01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 11: can say now that the GOP doesn't have a healthcare plan.

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Speaker 11: They do, and it's superior to what the Democrats have

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Speaker 11: been putting forward since Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, there are things that we need to

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Speaker 2: get at. And obviously, right Obamacare was really at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day about a big buyout for insurance.

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 2: But this is it's a step, right. But then, obviously

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01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff is going to get done

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Speaker 2: by the administration, but Congress has to work to make

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Speaker 2: it permanent, doesn't the Jerry They do.

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Speaker 11: And you know what, in Congress is moving forward with

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Speaker 11: a healthcare package as we speak. In fact, the Hill

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Speaker 11: and Politico and some of the DC based left of

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Speaker 11: center outlets have said that regardless of the subsidy issue,

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Speaker 11: regardless of how the Congress goes on re upping the

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Speaker 11: ACA the Obamacare subsidies, a healthcare package is moving forward.

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Speaker 11: And parts of the President's package are already included, like

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Speaker 11: PBM reform that's in there, and so we should see

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Speaker 11: over the next several weeks a very positive healthcare plan

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Speaker 11: moving forward. One thing about the President's plan which I like,

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Speaker 11: and I read this in the top points, not in

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01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 11: the plan itself, but just against the top points to it,

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01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 11: is that instead of sending any kind of subsidies or

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01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 11: resources or cash to insurance companies, any kind of resource

1635
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,759
Speaker 11: should go back to the patient and again patient centric care,

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01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 11: access to care, and dealing with the cost of care.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a good plan.

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Speaker 11: And look, I want to say to.

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Speaker 2: Our conservative friends.

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Speaker 11: I know vaccine is very controversial these days, but the

1641
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 11: fact of the matter is we get vaccine compliance right.

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01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 11: If you get your pneumonia vaccine, if you get other vaccines, well,

1643
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 11: then guess what, you don't drop out of the workforce.

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01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 11: It allows small businesses to plan vest. And I think

1645
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 11: if everyone, even the MAHA movement Make America Healthy Again movement,

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01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 11: American workers are healthy. That is good news for small

1647
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 11: businesses and startup firms. That means more economic move So

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Speaker 11: healthcare and economic growth go hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me add to this, Jerry, and again

1650
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 2: we're talking to Jerry Rogers, the editor of Real Clear Policy,

1651
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Real Clear Health. You know, the Biden administration led in

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01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 2: millions upon millions of undocumented individuals, many of whom were

1653
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 2: not vaccinated. And if you want to defend yourself against

1654
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: the threats that have been brought in by undocumented I'm sorry,

1655
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: unvaccinated undocumented people who are here illegally, you got to

1656
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: go out and get yourself vaccinated to make sure and

1657
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Speaker 2: make sure your kids are vaccinated to deal with that,

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Speaker 2: I understand.

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Speaker 11: And also for our friends on the left, Andrew, for

1660
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 11: our friends on the left, not only do we let

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Speaker 11: in undocumented migrants who were not vaccinated, but we also

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01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 11: put them on and again what the Democrats say here

1663
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 11: is just flatly false. Look at California, look at other states.

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Speaker 11: They went on the medicaid rolls, which of course put

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Speaker 11: a strain on the medicaid system and the entitlement system.

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01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 11: If we're going to get healthcare right, we have to

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Speaker 11: get we have to get the illegal immigration issue right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So let me ask you this man, because you

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01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: and I haven't had this conversation on the air, what

1670
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Speaker 2: do you make of what's going on on the ground

1671
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis. We had John Justice on earlier, our friend

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Speaker 2: John Justice, who's watching all of this stuff unfold. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is this is crazy, Don Lemon and citing mob

1674
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: activity there. This is not going to end well, is it. Well, No,

1675
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Speaker 2: of course not.

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Speaker 11: And the fact of the matter is we have chaos

1677
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 11: and violence on the ground because politicians are saying things

1678
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 11: that are wrong.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, you.

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Speaker 11: Just had on you know who's the old boss name

1681
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 11: as the new boss. Bruce Springsteen over the weekend was

1682
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 11: at a concert in Red Bank, New Jersey, and said, Ice,

1683
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 11: get the f out. You know, he's privileged, he doesn't

1684
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 11: understand what happening. Let me be very clear about this

1685
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 11: and at Jerry Rogers show my Twitter page.

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Speaker 2: You can go and find this. I name names.

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Speaker 11: These folks in Minnesota are going after the worst of

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01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 11: the worst. These are convicted again, pardon the language. These

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Speaker 11: are convicted child rapists, These are murderers, These are violent criminals.

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Speaker 11: And I don't understand why normies would be outside trying

1691
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 11: to interfere with.

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01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 2: The resting the worst of the worst. Christian knows.

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Speaker 11: The secretary of the DHS was on the Sunday Shows

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Speaker 11: yesterday and she said, in Minnesota, seventy percent seventy seven

1695
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 11: zero percent of those arrested detained are convicted and or

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01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 11: violent at violent criminal charges penning against them. This is

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01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 11: a huge operation to get rid of the most violent.

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01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 11: And remember the reason why because Minnesota won't let ice

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01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 11: into the jails to get these folks, so they're forced

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01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 11: to go into the communities. If the sanctuary you're jurisdictions

1701
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 11: would allow I used to go into the jails, we

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01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,440
Speaker 11: wouldn't have any of this chaos.

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01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 2: And this is what's going to be coming to Virginia

1704
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 2: and other states as they adopt this. Jerry, how do

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Speaker 2: folks find out more about the good work you're doing

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Speaker 2: it for? A Real Clear Policy, the Real Clear family

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Speaker 2: of websites.

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Speaker 11: Well, just again, go to Real Clear Politics, go to

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01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 11: Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health.

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01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: All the work is right there.

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01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 11: And again it's one of the last places in our

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01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 11: public discussion where you can hear both sides of the

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Speaker 11: debate give their best arguments.

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Speaker 2: And Jerry's not going to it, but the Real Clear

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01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 2: family is doing their some awards down a Florida.

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Speaker 11: What I am going I've changed my mind.

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01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to go to.

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Speaker 11: Palm Beach for the Samastat Award to honor those and

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01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk being honored this year.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jerry appreciate you know you need to swing

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01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 2: your dinner invitation for your best buddy because I'll down

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01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 11: Let's let's let's let's let's talk about that. When you're

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01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 11: off off, Mike quick friend.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, listen, you take care. I'll talk to

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01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 2: you later on. That was Jerry Rodgers, the editor of

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01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 2: Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health. Literally, he's my best buddy.

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01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 2: My kids, my kids do an impression of me whenever

1729
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,799
Speaker 2: the phone rings and he's in the car. Hello Gerald.

1730
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Of course, Big Jerald Gerald is his dad. Listen, some

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01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 2: final thoughts are gonna be talking about Martin Luther King

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01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: in a moment. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. Well,

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01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 2: welcome back, everybody. I am Andrew Langer and for Tony Katz,

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01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 2: and obviously today is today is Martin Luther King Day,

1735
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 2: and it's the commemoration of the life of a truly

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 2: great American. And we would be remiss if we didn't

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01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 2: say something about this. I had the fortune a couple

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01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 2: of years ago to meet Alvita King, who is Martin

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01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 2: Luther King Junior's niece. We were at an event in

1740
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 2: Maryland together. I think I interviewed her at the time.

1741
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 2: I've seen her a couple of times since then, but

1742
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 2: you know, she was talking today about her uncle's legacy.

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01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, Land and play cut number thirty.

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01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 18: That Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Junior was a servant.

1745
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 18: He loved God and he served humanity. And what we're

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01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 18: saying is this is a man who wasn't perfect, served

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01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 18: a perfect God and tried to help somebody. So that's

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01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 18: the way I actually remember my uncle, someone who tried

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01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 18: to help somebody.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, as I listened to that. One

1751
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 2: of the big issues for me is the issue of

1752
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 2: servant leadership. You know, you hear that. I'm reluctant to

1753
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 2: play it again, but I think we should. Let's go ahead,

1754
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 2: Land and play cut number nine again real quick. This

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01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 2: is this, This is this leftist at this church that

1756
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 2: they that the left invaded yesterday. Go ahead and played nine.

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01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 9: As you can see, all these pretend Christians, all these

1758
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 9: comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while

1759
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 9: children are dragged into concentration camps.

1760
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 2: You're living real life, nice.

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01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,440
Speaker 9: Lives and your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino

1762
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:15,480
Speaker 9: and Somali brothers and sisters.

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01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 2: You come here to a man wearing a suit. We

1764
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 2: can visit anything that there. I mean, you know, this

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01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:27,639
Speaker 2: is it is amazing sort of how this outlook translates itself,

1766
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: how it shows itself, you know, the opposite of sort

1767
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 2: of servant leadership, putting yourself forward, don Lemon, you know,

1768
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: going and doing these things, you know, you bring people in.

1769
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 2: And I learned this, you know, from a pastor at

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01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: a church that I went to, who never set himself

1771
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: above the congregation. It was very very important there. But

1772
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 2: let's hear some words from the man himself. This is

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01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 2: the famous I have a dream speech, or a portion

1774
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 2: of it. Let's go ahead and play cut thirty one. Agreed.

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01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 2: But one day.

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Speaker 10: This nation will rise up.

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01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 2: And live up the true meeting of its creed. We

1778
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 2: hold these Jews to.

1779
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 10: Be self evident, that all men are created a us.

1780
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 19: I have a dream that one day, on the review

1781
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 19: of the job, sons of former slaves and the sons of.

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01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 10: Former slave on will be able to sit down together

1783
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 10: at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream the

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01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 10: one day even the state of Mississippi, sweltering with the

1785
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 10: people injustice, sweltering.

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01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 2: With the heat of a pressure, be.

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01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 10: Transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

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01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 2: I have a dream my.

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Speaker 19: Poor little children.

1790
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,520
Speaker 2: One day live in a nation.

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Speaker 19: Where they will not be judged by the color.

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01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 2: Of math skin, but by the content of that character.

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01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 11: I have a dream, and.

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01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 2: We can end that there. You know, it's it is

1795
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: interesting to me because I think I've told you all.

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01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 2: I went to a very left leaning high school in

1797
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 2: New York, and you know watched Obviously, I won't say this.

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01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen seventy one, so I was

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01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 2: born after Doctor King was assassinated. But obviously, you know,

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01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 2: in my formative early years, you know, learned about him,

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01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 2: listen to his speeches. Was in a public school system

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01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 2: first that was very big on making sure that kids

1803
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 2: of disparate backgrounds are brought together, and we're taught this

1804
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 2: idea of judging people by the content of their character,

1805
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 2: not the color of their skin. And I think we

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01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: were at a moment in the United States when that

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01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 2: was you know, that was possible, that was actually happening.

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01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 2: You know. I talked early on in the show about

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01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 2: the grifter class and the folks who want to make

1810
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 2: sure that we don't solve problems in America because they

1811
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: make money off of us being conflicted with one another.

1812
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,520
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like a conspiracy theory, it isn't.

1813
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 2: There are folks who groove on and make huge sums

1814
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 2: of money on keeping Americans turned against one another. So

1815
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:55,879
Speaker 2: an opportunity for Americans to actually live together in harmony,

1816
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 2: in an environment in which people are not judged by

1817
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 2: the their skin, but by the content of their character.

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01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 2: There are some people who absolutely cannot sit idly by

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01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: and watch that happen, you know, So as I look

1820
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 2: to what's happening in Minneapolis and elsewhere in America. Maybe

1821
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 2: we take a step back from the ABYSS and we

1822
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 2: recognize what has brought us to this moment and why

1823
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: folks want to keep Americans divided, and what it means

1824
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 2: for a divided American, divided America to continue to be divided.

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01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 2: I think we should think about this is what we

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01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: ought to be thinking about on Martin Luther King Day. Listen.

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Speaker 2: As I've said, you can check me out Andrew at

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01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: Andrew Underscore Langer on Twitter. Find out everything that I'm

1829
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 2: up to, the Lunch Hour podcast, all of my writing.

1830
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be back the week after next.

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Speaker 2: Very excited to do that. But I'm Andrew Langer. Oh,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Land, and thank you to the team on

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. Have a great night, everybody, Stay sacked.