1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: This segment, Brad, I wanted to talk about the oral 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: arguments being offered in the Supreme Court now currently centered 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: around the citizenship birthright citizenship controversy. Donald Trump obviously against 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: providing automatic birthright citizenship to foreign nationals who visit our 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: country and big old air quotes there, get an anchor baby, 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: get their foot in the door to the country, as 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: well as to our social services and welfare system as 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: a consequence of having a legal American citizen for a child. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: This is I think something that definitely needs to be resolved. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure that Donald Trump is doing himself 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: and he favors in this issue. Brad to the oral 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: arguments in person, Yes, the first president to do so. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: As reported by Fox News. As a matter of fact, President. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: Trump about to leave the White House. You just got 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: into the motorcade. There the beast, and he will be 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: going up I think it's about a mile, maybe not 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: even that much, up to sixty from sixteen hundred Pennsylvany 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: Avenue up to the Supreme Court. He will be the 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: first president in history to sit and listen to an 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: oral argument this is about birthright citizenship. On day one 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: of his second term, he signed an executive order that 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: said this is no more and it's been going up 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: through the court and now today the oral argument will 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: be heard starting at ten o'clock. This has never happened before. 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa. 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: This is why I say that he might be giving 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: himself a bit of a problem here, because I don't 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: think that the Supreme Court justices are going to respond 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: too kindly to the President of the United States given 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: them the stink eye while they are evaluating these issues, 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, Donald Trump can't help himself. 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: Well, he already called about directly during the State of 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: the Union last year, so well this year too. 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 5: Well, that's true. Yeah. 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: The road So you think you're just sitting around the 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: White House is like the Nationals have a day game. 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 4: I could go catch that, or I can go sit 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: in oral arguments. 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: Go sit in on oral arguments too well. 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: It also kind of strays treads the line a little 41 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: too closely of the separation of powers when you have 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: potentially the President of the United States pressuring decision from 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Actually this ties directly into the conversation 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: of birthright citizenship, which was resolving the dread Scott decision 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court, and that was actually an intrusion 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: of the executive into the judicial when it was President 47 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Buchanan at the time had directly written the Chief Justice 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court, intervening and encouraging him to rule 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: against dred Scott and rule that African Americans did not 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: have citizenship in the United States as slaves. How do 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: you know that, because it's part of history, Brad, it 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: is part of history. I read these things. 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: Okay, that's true. Well you were from the eighteen hundreds. 54 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: So so yeah, I don't think that the Supreme Court 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: is going to respond well, and that's a problem when 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: you really need a resolution to this issue in favor 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: of the administration. But so far you have it seems 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: like Justice amy Cony Barrett tipping her hand that potentially 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: she would be opposed to undoing birthright citizenship. And you 60 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: also have a Chief Justice John Roberts also potentially opposed 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: to redoing or reconsidering birthright citizenship. I believe he was 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: speaking with the Solicitor General John Sower and saying that 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: it's the times have changed, but the Constitution remains the same, 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: I believe. 65 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: Is the quote, so where do you fall on this issue. 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I do not think that there is any reasonable interpretation 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: that people that the fourteenth Amendment was meant to apply 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: to individuals that were immigrating en mass to then circumvent 69 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the immigration process be entitled to the welfare state by 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: having a child here in the United States, something that 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: also didn't really exist in the form that exists today 72 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: when that bill, or when the Amendment was originally passed, 73 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: and you could tell from the text and the language 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: that this was to resolve the issue of citizenship for 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: the African Americans who were recently freed, and it was 76 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: directly addressing that issue following the Civil Rule War. I 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: believe that's the case. Of course, the lawyer for the 78 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: ACLU who is opposed to this, saying exactly the opposite, 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: Celia Wang. Cecilia Wang, maintains that the framer is definitely 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: intended for foreigners to have anchor babies here in the 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: United States. 82 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 6: The first thing I would say in response is that, 83 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 6: once again it's crystal clear from wankim ark and from 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 6: the debates, but the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment meant 85 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 6: to have a universal common law rule citizenship subject to 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 6: the closed set of exceptions, and we can't take the 87 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 6: current administrations policy considerations into account to try to re 88 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 6: engineer and radically reinterpret the original meaning of the fourteenth Amendment. 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 6: The second point I would make is that in fact, 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 6: the framers did consider the concept and the actual problems 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: of immigration that were coming up at that time. In 92 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 6: addition to this notable exchange between the Senator Cowen and 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 6: Senator Kanness, where Cowen says, if we have this citizenship 94 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 6: clause as part of the Constitution, we are going to 95 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 6: encourage these gypsy with what he called gypsies Roma in Pennsylvania, 96 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 6: whom he characterized as invaders, trespassers, and lawbreakers. Will encourage 97 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 6: them to come into our country because there's children will 98 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 6: be citizens, he says. Senator Konness in your state of California, 99 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 6: you will be facing a mass flood of Chinese immigration 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 6: if we adopt the citizenship rule. And Senator Konness, himself 101 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 6: an Irish immigrant, says yes, and I am voting for 102 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 6: that because I believe in citizenship by virtue of birth 103 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 6: without regard to parentage. 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: So what do you think about that, Brad? Where are 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: your opinions on this issue? 106 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 5: First, she said gypsies. 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 4: I could only I just kept picturing Granny from the 108 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: Beverly Hillbilly. 109 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 5: He's getting all weirded out about gypsies. 110 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: That being said, I guess I believe if it was 111 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: intended for foreigners to their children who were born here 112 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: to have citizenship, I think that that implies foreigners who 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: are here legally, so that they've gone through the process, 114 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: They've jumped through the hoops, we vetted them and said, yes, 115 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: you were the kind of people we. 116 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: Would like to have here. They have to be domiciled. 117 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: They have to be domiciled here, and the direct the 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: language of the amendment includes residents, and that that would 119 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: be that would imply domiciled into the United States otherwise 120 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: legal residents of this country. 121 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, now this is a this is a long stretch. 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: But like in the law, if they're collecting evidence, if 123 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: you do something illegal to collect evidence, then you could 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: no longer admit that evidence because there was an illegal 125 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: act that preceded the evidence appearing through to the poisonous 126 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: tree for you exactly. So I think that this is 127 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: almost something similar. It's like, well, if you broke a 128 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 4: law to get here, then anything that benefits you after 129 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 4: being here is also. 130 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 5: Should also not count illegal something I'm. 131 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: Not saying it very well, but well, actually, Flunky Katanji 132 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson actually believes that if you are a lawbreaker, 133 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: that that makes you subject to the jurisdiction and of 134 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: the country in which you break the law, then you 135 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: would be owing allegiance. I believe the words that she 136 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: used in her argument against removing birthright citizenship. 137 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 7: I was thinking about this and I think they see 138 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 7: there are various sources that say this, but you can 139 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 7: have You obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born 140 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 7: in whatever country you're from. That's what everybody recognizes, but 141 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 7: you also have local allegiance when you are on the 142 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 7: soil of this other sovereign. And I was thinking, you know, 143 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 7: I'm i a US citizen and visiting Japan, and what 144 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 7: it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 7: wallet in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest me and 146 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 7: prosecute me. It's allegiance, meaning can they control you as 147 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 7: a matter of law. I can also rely on them 148 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 7: if my wallet is stolen to you know, under Japanese law, 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 7: go and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 7: there's this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler, 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 7: I'm just on vacation in Japan, I'm still locally owing 152 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 7: allegiance in that sense. 153 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: What the hell is even that getting everybody out of 154 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: my yard? What as your dumer for having listened to that? 155 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: Although I think. 156 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: Totally expected from the woman that couldn't even provide a 157 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: definition for what a woman is during her confirmation hearing, 158 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: I think we expected this kind of disastrous rhetoric exactly 159 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: out of Katanji Brown Jackson, who's been nothing but a 160 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: disgrace since her confirmation to the Supreme Court. 161 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 4: I think what she was getting to is that you 162 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: don't have diplomatic immunity unless you're a diplomat and you 163 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 4: are subject to the laws of whatever country. 164 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 5: You go to. 165 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: That is correct, But so her theory is that by 166 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: becoming a law breaker, you can actually get some benefit 167 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: from the country as a result of breaking the law 168 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: and making yourself subject there too, and thereby owing allegiance 169 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: to the country. I mean, this is a very tortured, 170 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: freaky logic. 171 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 5: You're giving way too much credit to that line of thought. 172 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and she gave it too much credit as well. 173 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: Fortunately during the conversation you had Justice Clarence Thomas circle 174 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: back to the central issue, back to the interpret rotation 175 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: at the time in his questioning of Solicitor General John Sower, 176 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: who made the point that this was about fixing and 177 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: addressing the wrongs of the Scott's decision that preceded it 178 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court. 179 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, Justice Thomas. Out maybe start by addressing dread Scott. 180 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: You know, as you alluded to the fact dread Scott, 181 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: you know, impose one of the worst injustices in the 182 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 3: history of this Court, and it led to the outbreak 183 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: of the Civil War. It's very clear in this Court, 184 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 3: in all of its early cases interpreting the forty to 185 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: Amendment said, you know, the one pervading purpose, the main 186 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: object of the citizenship Clause is to overrule Dread Scott 187 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: and establish the citizenship of the freed slaves. 188 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 5: And if you look at the debates in. 189 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: The Congressional record and discussion surrounding the adoption of the 190 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 3: citizenship clause, what you see is if very clear understanding 191 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: that the newly freed slaves and their children have a 192 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: relationship of domicile. They do not have a relationship. 193 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: To any foreign power. 194 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: For example, there's a comment where he says, look, people 195 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: have been here for five generations, which just clearly have 196 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: no relationships to any foreign African potentate, you know, have 197 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: a relationship of allegiance to the United States. And that 198 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: reinforces our point that allegiance. 199 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 5: Is what the word jurisdiction means. 200 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean regulatory jurisdiction or or you know, or 201 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: sort of being submit merely subject to the laws. They're 202 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: talking and they're thinking about it in those debates, not allegiance. 203 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: So a masterful dissent against the tortured logic of Katanji 204 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson. I think he is getting to the actual 205 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: heart of the issue there. 206 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 5: It at least made some sense. 207 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely more sense than the justice. Really. I 208 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: hope we resolved this issue, we plug the whole that 209 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: has been created by this very tortured interpretation of the 210 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment for quite a while. 211 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 5: Now. 212 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm just concerned that Donald Trump's interference is going to 213 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: backfire in spectacular fashion. Right, he should have just watched 214 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: online been a neutral observer. 215 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: Right exactly. But you're right, you could almost imply intimidation 216 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: by his being present. Oh, he's got to give him 217 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: stink guy. Yeah, I mean he can't help himself. That's 218 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: the problem with that Donald Trump. He doesn't know when 219 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: to quit. Quit while you're ahead sometimes right exactly, Just yeah, 220 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 4: let the process play out. Say yup, I'm on the 221 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: right side of history until you're not. Thanks for listening 222 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: to ninety three at WIBC. Coming up next, Sid mohunt 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: appeared on the Mouthwash podcast with Andrew Ireland and the 224 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: King of Trust here in the General Assembly backed him 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: into a corner so hard about potential discrepancies in his 226 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 4: history of residents as he is now running for yet 227 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 4: another office. Seems to be a serial office hound. That's 228 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: Sid Mahant and we will replay a portion of that 229 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 4: conversation coming up next on ninety three WIBC.