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Speaker 1: and Pin will join us. Professor am Pinn will reveal

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Speaker 1: before Professor On Pim political Broger Brannon will also check in.

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Speaker 1: But first let's see if we're Kevin hoping his classroom doors,

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Speaker 1: Kevin grand Rising.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising trying to push the door open. It's a heavy,

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Speaker 2: heavy task today, right, yeah, man, I'm telling you, what

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Speaker 2: a weekend, what a morning even? Man, the ninth of February.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling, my brother, how you feeling?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man, I learned a lot yesterday watching

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl was full of education and cliffhangers and

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Speaker 4: You know what were you saying?

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Speaker 2: Let's do one thing at a time. Oh you you

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Speaker 2: just want to get to the halftob all? Right, here

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Speaker 4: His fans called it the Benito Bowl.

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Speaker 2: His supporters, especially his fellows citizens. You know, we got

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Speaker 2: about none other than Benito Antonio Martinez OsO, his better

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Speaker 4: What did you think of the of the concert?

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Speaker 5: I thought it was great.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to follow along what was going on,

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Speaker 5: Then, right, right, they were fitting to.

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Speaker 4: It was right just sitting there. And again, the music

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Speaker 1: You know, we got rhythm, and the Puerto Rican brothers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Carl, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Carl, just like the politician.

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Speaker 1: But here's the deal, though, Kevin, what he was I

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Speaker 2: I know I'm watching history go on, I know that,

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Speaker 2: Those who live in Landover go past Garrett Morgan's I

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Speaker 2: Garrett Morgan as the African American who invented the traffic light.

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Speaker 2: Whatever controls your attention controls your life, Carls. So that's

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Speaker 8: And he had a couple other ones he had themes

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Speaker 5: And yes, lady, I'll let you complete that.

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Speaker 1: That's important because you know everybody watches it, but some

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Speaker 1: it's what are we're kicking off the discussing the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Last night at halftime show, we pulled two of our

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Speaker 1: hold on Hama, harmonos, harmanos, welcome to the program, Welcome

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Speaker 7: Hello lorning to be here, help us out here to

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Speaker 10: In the off theme show, it's literally just very hard

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Speaker 10: only thing more powerful than hate is love, and I

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Speaker 10: And if you were not dancing, you are not human.

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Speaker 5: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the themes though, because some

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Speaker 10: One of the one of my favorite, one of my

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Speaker 11: I bet for that.

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Speaker 10: Now you know it talks about like you know, you

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Speaker 10: teach me how to dance, you teach me how to

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Speaker 5: Joy is resistance. All right, Brandon, you have a question

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Speaker 8: H Yeah, I was curious that was supposed to be

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Speaker 8: You saw the cast flaying. Is it Is it the

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Speaker 12: We have that out here.

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Speaker 13: They have in New York Philly everywhere.

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Speaker 7: Yes, this is part of the Latin American culture, and

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Speaker 10: And what Also one of the things that it wore

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Speaker 1: Right, we saw that because there's sometimes I think there's

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Speaker 10: Well, the divisions came because he started his career with

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and we are literally enjoying his music that now

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Speaker 10: Speaks about a lot about you know, what is happening

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Speaker 2: So, Ari Francisco, do you find that the music his

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Speaker 2: you know, his Grammy Award winning music is very popular

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Speaker 7: Yes, popular art. He's one of the most popular artists

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Speaker 4: This worldwide. You can you can hear about Baddy music

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Speaker 10: Spain, China, Yes it's not. He's number one in China

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Speaker 10: with most streams on Apple Music.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not understand nothing, but they enjoyed the music.

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Speaker 10: And he understands how music is energy. And I gotta

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, fellas, thank you. We're gonna let you

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Speaker 1: go back to your show because you're doing the show

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Speaker 1: at the same time. Thank you for sharing this information

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. And when is the s good morning.

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Speaker 9: And thank you for this.

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Speaker 5: All right, pleasures legive me you guys, I have a

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Speaker 1: They they're worked at Latino Station here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: So Brandon, I don't want to go back to the

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Speaker 8: Played it's a it's a it's a two prong thing. Okay,

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Speaker 8: you remember the largest Super Bowl halftime of all time

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Speaker 8: that occurred first was Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 8: He is Super Bowl twenty seven, I think it was,

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Speaker 8: and he was down at the Rose Bowl, which wasn't

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Speaker 8: far from my house. Actually, I walked down to a

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Speaker 8: certain area and sat out there and I heard the

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Speaker 8: entire concert, the entire halftime. But that actually caused an interesting,

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Speaker 8: really interesting note about that. That wasn't a brain child

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Speaker 8: of the NFL, per se, just to do it. Know

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Speaker 8: what happened was this new black phenomenon right on television

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Speaker 8: had stolen their audience the year before in Living Color,

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Speaker 8: the brilliance, the brilliance of the Wighns. Right they put

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Speaker 8: on their own halftime comedy show on television the year

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Speaker 8: before that, when he was ninety two and we were

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Speaker 8: still at the station together to be honest with you,

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Speaker 8: and so the audience, you know, they just lost huge

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Speaker 8: amounts of the audience to go watch that, and then

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Speaker 8: they came back to the game. So the next year

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Speaker 8: they said, we're not going to let this happen, and

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Speaker 8: so they brought in Michael Jackson, who who at that

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Speaker 8: time was the biggest star in the world. And since

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Speaker 8: then it has been a platform to platform some of

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Speaker 8: the some of the greatest you know, talent that has

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Speaker 8: ever been put on the world. Now it has gotten

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Speaker 8: progressively uh political, specifically now, and that's what I really

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Speaker 8: want to want to advance to people that you know, yes,

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Speaker 8: there's love there that he put He put forth all

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Speaker 8: the messages that he could, but please don't forget. And

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Speaker 8: I wish they had stayed on because I wanted to

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Speaker 8: talk to him real quick about the fact that Los

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Speaker 8: ange I always say this, so just so the audience

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Speaker 8: just kind of knows. Los Angeles, the city, the pueblo

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Speaker 8: of Los Angeles was founded by black and Latinos. It

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Speaker 8: was it was Spaniards, it was Indio Indians, it was mestigos.

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Speaker 8: The mix of Indian and Spaniards and black people. That's

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Speaker 8: who founded Los Angeles. We've gone, we've ebbed and flow

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Speaker 8: in our separation and in our connections. We've we've you know,

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Speaker 8: we've had wars, we've had love, we've had marriages, we've

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Speaker 8: had we've had deaths together, all those things together, the

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Speaker 8: one thing that can separate us is from the government

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Speaker 8: on high to begin the process of dehumanization. And that,

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Speaker 8: to me is the biggest message that that that this

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl halftime thing pushed forward. If you weren't educated

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Speaker 8: about the music, the people, the culture, this was the

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Speaker 8: time as sisution with doorway to be process.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we have a lot of branding sounds like his

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Speaker 1: phone went down on us thirty minutes off the top

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Speaker 1: there and brand when you get back. You know, because

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Speaker 1: she one of our coworkers there at the Latino station

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Speaker 1: describe herself as Afro. I think afro Conno, she said

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Speaker 1: there was because people don't understand that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of black Oh yoh, you're back, all right, I don't

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Speaker 1: finish your thought, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: No, I was saying that that this show was more

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Speaker 8: than just just entertainment. It was a doorway into uh humanizing,

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Speaker 8: humanizing others. And if you didn't if you could learn

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Speaker 8: something by it and then just you know, walk through

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Speaker 8: that doorway that you won't be so easily used to dehumanize,

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Speaker 8: to be a part of the most racist, ridiculous, ignorant

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Speaker 8: administration since the invention of pantaloons. I mean, this is

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Speaker 8: a time for the rest of us to say, no,

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Speaker 8: we're not going to let you dehumanize people.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 8: I know there's a there's a there's a contrast there, Carl,

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Speaker 8: because while we're celebrating this, while people are dancing, while

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Speaker 8: people are playing this game and enjoying this stuff, there

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Speaker 8: are still people being rounded up. And the great thing

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Speaker 8: out of Minneapolis is that we've seen some new strategies

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Speaker 8: that have come out of there, at least for wife folks,

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Speaker 8: because it's important to understand the stratification of the fight

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Speaker 8: back in this particular situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, Don Lemon being caught in

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis this morning, get to you know, answer more charge.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're going to, you know, be a reign

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Speaker 1: There's been a reigning federal corvit there trying to get

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Speaker 1: him now on on some local charges. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: that how that plays out. Interesting, uh, Brandon, But again

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the globalization of the NFL. It was this

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Speaker 1: part you say, this wasn't by accident because they didn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, they were they didn't buckle under pressure to

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Speaker 1: remove bad Bunny.

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Speaker 5: That's and there.

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Speaker 8: I want to mention that he you know, he kind

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Speaker 8: of downplayed the hip thrust. He's known for this, but

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Speaker 8: these hip thrusts that he throws, he knew what audience

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Speaker 8: he was saying. He knew what he was doing. He's

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Speaker 8: a professional.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 8: They made a professional decision.

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Speaker 14: As well, you know.

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Speaker 8: And and it's and it's worked right. You you had

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Speaker 8: your Latino guests on, they came on, they're flushed there.

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Speaker 8: They love it, right, A lot of people across the

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Speaker 8: board love it. At the same time, Maga and the

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Speaker 8: Maggots to follow it, put together their own alternative show

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Speaker 8: for whites. And that's all you can call it, because

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Speaker 8: they couldn't handle, you know, they call it the Great

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Speaker 8: American Halftime Show, whatever they want to call it. But

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Speaker 8: they couldn't handle the fact that somebody else could take

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Speaker 8: a stage. Even though a great deal of these players

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Speaker 8: are Afro Latino, even though the some of the greatest

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Speaker 8: players that we're seeing now come from different parts of

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Speaker 8: the Afro diaspora, the Afro Latin diaspora. Right, they can't

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Speaker 8: handle they can't handle the idea that Puerto Ricans are

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Speaker 8: US citizens by birth. They can't handle that. They don't

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Speaker 8: even want to think about it. Right, you know, their

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Speaker 8: own Puerto Ricans, Right, they have to put on their

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Speaker 8: own show so they can go off into their own,

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Speaker 8: you know, their own existence, if you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: their own universes.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you, though, Brandon, that

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Speaker 1: the Donald Trump said at twenty six minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top that I found just join us with Broad

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Speaker 1: and Brandon Israelists. Mom montell we just had a conversation

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Speaker 1: some of our co workers on our Latino station explaining

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Speaker 1: of some of the symbols that we may have missed

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Speaker 1: in the halftime show. But Brandon, Donald Trump says, this

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Speaker 1: was on American First. How do you know? Because it

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Speaker 1: supposedly didn't watch He was probably watching the alternative show.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this is that, what's that show on American?

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Speaker 8: Puerto Ricans are US citizens? I want to I want

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Speaker 8: to highlight this at this moment. You know, we tend

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Speaker 8: to say American and so we are we are American,

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Speaker 8: you know, we are the we are the standard of America.

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Speaker 8: The idea of America is what Bad Bunny did, which

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Speaker 8: was remarkable, showing from the tip of South America to

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Speaker 8: the top of Canada, North America, so from South America

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Speaker 8: and then then they rolled out all those countries. Yes

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Speaker 8: he's American, Yes, yes, it was American. It's more American

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Speaker 8: than Trump destroying the history of America by destroying the

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Speaker 8: East Wing bye, by removing black history and indeed some

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Speaker 8: of the villains in black history, because that's part of

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Speaker 8: American history. Who was bull Connor? You know, who are

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Speaker 8: the people that that that Uh why why was you

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Speaker 8: redirect what was happening with Jackie Robinson when he was

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Speaker 8: court martialed because you don't want to name the names

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Speaker 8: of the people that that were racists that made the

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Speaker 8: claims against him. Uh, these things those that's American too,

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Speaker 8: you know. But Trump isn't. He isn't the arbiter of

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Speaker 8: saying of what American is and what isn't, especially after

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Speaker 8: that disgusting display of President Obama and Michelle Obama, which

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Speaker 8: you know, he and his acolytes all tried to explain

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Speaker 8: away in five different ways. But I guess that's American too.

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Speaker 8: That type of racism is American burning crosses as an

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Speaker 8: American looking at black people in the face and dehumanizing

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Speaker 8: an American and all the Also, you know, we'll have

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Speaker 8: time to talk about white people coming something, many white people,

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Speaker 8: not all, but many white people coming to a day

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Speaker 8: of reckoning, of understanding and not having agency over your

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Speaker 8: independence in the face of agents of the state. And

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Speaker 8: what does that mean. That means you now see and

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Speaker 8: feel and have that motion of what it feels like

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Speaker 8: and that emotion of what it feels like to face

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Speaker 8: people with badges who can take your life away. And although.

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Speaker 1: We gotta check the news, but when we come back though,

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Speaker 1: a political question for you, Brandon brann is a political blogger.

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Speaker 1: So many, well so many, quite a few Latinos, specially

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Speaker 1: Latino men, voted for Donald Trump after what they saw.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to be a retreat from

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Speaker 1: the gopg you think the GOP is in trouble. Let

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Speaker 1: me put it that way, especially in states like Texas

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Speaker 1: and California where we have a lot of Latinos. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond to that when we get back. Family

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Speaker 1: Youtubo can join our conversation with Brandon. He's a political blog,

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Speaker 1: or reach out to us at twenty three minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of the hour. Our telephone number is

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Speaker 1: eight hundred five to zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your calls after we check the news. That's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us. Seventeen minutes away from the top they are

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Speaker 1: with political blog of Brandon. Before we go back to Brandon,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,

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Speaker 1: we gonna speak with a researcher and history professor Main

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Speaker 1: new and Penn. We're gonna talk about black history. Black

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Speaker 1: History Month. This is the centennial year Black History Month.

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Speaker 1: And later this week you're going to hear from master

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Speaker 1: herbalist and metaphysician doctor b also Grio Baba Lamumba will

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Speaker 1: doctor Malana Kranger will also join it. So if you

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Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio locked

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Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in

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Speaker 1: the DMV era, we're on fourteen fifty WL. All right, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: so I'll let you finish your thoughts. My question to

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Speaker 1: you was, do you think especially with this now that

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Speaker 1: I can tell the I can tell how happy or

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Speaker 1: thrilled brothers and sisters at a Latino station, and I

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Speaker 1: could see it in someone, you know, just watching the news.

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Speaker 1: Some of the Latino presenters as they call them in Europe,

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Speaker 1: the anchors or the reporters of what we had doing

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Speaker 1: the traffic and they were all so happy about bad

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Speaker 1: Bad Bunny on the halftime show. And my question was,

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Speaker 1: do you think this this further? This this this pride

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Speaker 1: that they've seen because now they're being depicted on the

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Speaker 1: screen across the sea, they're not marginalized. And many of

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Speaker 1: some of them, not many of them, some of them

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Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump, and now you can see what

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Speaker 1: Bad Bunny drew was a distinction between what Trump is

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Speaker 1: doing and what Puerto Ricans and all the Latinos are

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Speaker 1: all about. Do you think this will will cause many

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Speaker 1: of them to you know, have I guess I have

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Speaker 1: second thoughts about supporting the Republicans and the GOP going forward.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, you know these Latin A

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Speaker 8: lot of these Latin countries, they're not like podunk territories.

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Speaker 8: You know, they they got television and television star of

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Speaker 8: their own and and uh and you know bands and

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Speaker 8: racket singers of their own that come into the end

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Speaker 8: of play. They're part of a bigger ecosphere in sports

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Speaker 8: in the world, which is soccer, which they call football,

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Speaker 8: you know, the largest largest attendant sports in the world.

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Speaker 14: So this isn't new.

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Speaker 8: What's new, I guess is the acknowledgment in the pageantry.

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Speaker 8: But once again, like I said, that's a business decision

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Speaker 8: by the NFL. I'm not telling them they shouldn't be proud.

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Speaker 8: They should, but we all shouldn't get, you know, pulled

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00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 8: into this idea that it's kumbai ya merely from a

658
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 8: money making industry that's.

659
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 13: Ready to put out.

660
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 8: You know, we have to remind ourselves too that you're

661
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 8: right about the Latin. Latin world is very conservative in

662
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 8: many ways, and in many ways it works against the

663
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 8: progression or the progressive nature of what it took for

664
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Speaker 8: the Afro diaspora center here in the United States of

665
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 8: America to move forward in their citizenship and their rights.

666
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 8: So there's there's still a great deal of ta every

667
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 8: now and then. It would have been interesting to ask

668
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 8: the guests that she had on earlier about there were

669
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 8: two men who were kind of dancing very suggestively together

670
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 8: and a quick shot when bed Bunny was going through

671
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 8: the sugarcane fields and there they had pulled back out

672
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 8: and it was, you know, much more modern time, and

673
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 8: they went by this truck and they were two dancers.

674
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 8: There were two men, but they were you know, very

675
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 8: close and doing and doing their thing, and I wonder

676
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 8: how that would play. She brought up one of the

677
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 8: Latina host brought up something very important too, huge population

678
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 8: of Catholics. And I don't know if he was out

679
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 8: in LA at this time, but in nineteen eighty seven

680
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 8: Pope John John Paul the Second visited Los Angeles and

681
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 8: he had two sermons I think September fifteenth and sixteen,

682
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 8: the two Masses sermons, but masses and wanted the coliseum,

683
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 8: Los Angeles Coliseum where I played ball, but it holds

684
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 8: one hundred thousand, and one hundred thousand were there, carl

685
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 8: and then another one in Dodger Stadium the next night,

686
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 8: which holds like sixty five thousand or somewhere around there,

687
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 8: and sixty five thousand thiefs were there and they weren't

688
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 8: all Irish, if you know what I'm saying, It wasn't

689
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 8: the you know, because because it wasn't.

690
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: Though, Brandon, do you think that the Latino community knows

691
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: why why they are mostly Catholic? Do they understand that?

692
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: Do you think?

693
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 8: And I said, yeah, they know their roots, you know,

694
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 8: they're not you know, I was raised the first day

695
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 8: and me I'm not.

696
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, but do you know why?

697
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Because you were raised first day and most of us

698
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: were raised Christian because our parents are Christian. But we

699
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: never we never really questioned, you know, Okay, we're going

700
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: to church Easter, We're gonna you know, you never really questioned.

701
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: But for them, it seems like the entire Latino community,

702
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: especially in southern Campbell where we were, uh across in

703
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: Central and South America a Catholic. Because she mentioned and

704
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: that's why it's important that you might need that because

705
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: that was a quick shot where these two men were

706
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: dancing together.

707
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's it's interesting.

708
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 8: There are some psychological you know, books and ideas and

709
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 8: concept of a lot of great deal of the Caribbean

710
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 8: carl Is is still Catholic. It's where and then where

711
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 8: it mixes. You end up with things like who doo

712
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 8: and voodoo and the idea of you know, the different

713
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 8: different takes from that. You know, it has, it has.

714
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 8: I think it has something to do with some of

715
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 8: the Pan Africanism leads towards to a great deal towards

716
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 8: different deities. Those deities are easily filled with the ideas

717
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 8: of saints and different things that come on and and

718
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 8: and how you're you know, you compartmentalize your religion and

719
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 8: your faith and whatnot. I'm not a by by far

720
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 8: not a theologian, but what I can say is, you know,

721
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 8: the Latino community knows what it knows, and it makes

722
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 8: choices just like we all do, from the individual to

723
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 8: the household, to the part of the community, to the city,

724
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 8: to cities, region, states, on and so forth. They're not monolithic,

725
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 8: but a great deal of them are Catholic. Now, they

726
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 8: don't all get along. If you would know that, if

727
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 8: you have anybody out here, let me say it, do

728
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 8: not make the mistake of calling a Guatemalan in a

729
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: Salvadorian or vice versa, the same thing on New York.

730
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 8: You know this car you don't call Puerto Rican someone

731
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 8: from the Dominican Republic. You don't switch that up. You know,

732
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 8: you can try, but you might end up in a

733
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 8: fight behind that. So they're not all you know, they're

734
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 8: They're like any other people and so the But I

735
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 8: will say this again, I always say this, it's no

736
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 8: coincidence that fascism rows in the most Catholic places on

737
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 8: the planet. And it was Italy, Chairmany, Poland and Spain

738
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 8: and part of France, and so there's a reason for that.

739
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 8: There's a reason that that that that they get in

740
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 8: line attitude I think worked very well. Now we're in

741
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 8: a situation where we're going to have to find out,

742
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 8: you know, who's who.

743
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 12: And what's what.

744
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 8: What you're not saying, Carol, I think this is really

745
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 8: important in answering your question what you're not saying. You're

746
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 8: not saying black folks lead in this this season, we're

747
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 8: part of it. I go out to protests, the ones

748
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 8: that are particularly that I particularly go to. We see

749
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 8: black people are part of strategizing and doing certain things.

750
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 8: But they're not leading, uh these marches. They're not leading

751
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 8: with their bodies of the the the idea of their

752
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 8: bodies leading the situation, and they're they're kind of saying, hey,

753
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 8: you know, we've been trying to tell you and we

754
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 8: have to fight for ours and our own and we'll

755
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 8: going to join you and where we will support you.

756
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 8: But you're not seeing this because we've been leading, you know,

757
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 8: with before.

758
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 13: So I don't know.

759
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 8: How how how they're going to take that lesson. I

760
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 8: do know that he's fallen off of Latinos. Of course,

761
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 8: I don't know why any Latino would support Trump at

762
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 8: this to the point, I mean Latinos for Trump, and

763
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 8: I know you've been seeing the drama with one of

764
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 8: the leaders Latinus Trump. She's dropped off. I think they've

765
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 8: gotten rid of There's many a couple of them that

766
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 8: were highlighters have been deported and so yeah, I just

767
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 8: I'm not there. You know, it would be interesting to

768
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 8: talk to those those broadcasters about it, though.

769
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Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll get them back during the morning show.

770
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: Over there down the hallway eight minutes away from the

771
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Speaker 1: tom Be sister Fama is checking in. She's going from Washington, DC,

772
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Grand Rising sister for him. How you on with Brandon?

773
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 15: Yes, good morning, mister Nelson to you and your guess.

774
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 15: At first, I want to big you up mister Nelson

775
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 15: for your analysis earlier. You caught all of the symbols

776
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 15: that were very prevalent during the halftime show. A couple

777
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 15: of things I wanted to share of whatever things that

778
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 15: prompted me to call, and I sent you information from

779
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 15: the African American Research Association. The majority of Latinos did

780
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 15: not vote for Donald Trump. Sixty seven of them voted

781
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 15: for Kamala Harris, with the exception of Tubas in Florida

782
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 15: and Venezuela. Just like you had n words for Trump

783
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 15: who do not represent all black people. Yes, you did

784
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 15: have Latinos for Trump that don't represent all Latinos. Just

785
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 15: like there were some Mali businessmen they had a press

786
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 15: conference endorsing Donald Trump. They do not represent all of

787
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 15: the Somali community in Minnesota. And so this is part

788
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 15: of the PsiOps. There's a lot of propaganda, there's a

789
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 15: lot of misinformation to create divisions. The other thing is

790
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 15: is Brandy, you're aslutely correct. During the UH with the

791
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 15: explorotation of Catholicism, there was synchronism because there are many

792
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 15: people in the Latino community that practiced centa Ria ex

793
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 15: not doing it.

794
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 8: Centa Ria in.

795
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Speaker 15: Fact, Marta Marina Vega from the Caribbean Cultural Center, a

796
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 15: prominent Gariko woman in New York, did a documentary called

797
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 15: The Spirit Dance Mambo and it showed the continuity between

798
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 15: African religion and UH santaria and it is a it

799
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 15: is a root. It is it has African roots because

800
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 15: for the most part, all through even yes see, you're correct,

801
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 15: all Latinos are not the same. They're not UH monolithic community,

802
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 15: just like our communities is not monolithmic. But they historically

803
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 15: comprised of Mospizos, indigenous and Africans.

804
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 9: Uh.

805
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 15: It may be UH Portuguese, African and and and Native American.

806
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 15: It may be UH Spanish, African and Indigenous, but that

807
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 15: com but that combination. And so lastly I want to

808
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 15: leave everybody with it. There's a book that Hugo Travis

809
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 15: gave to Barack Obama when they met through the veins

810
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 15: of Latin America, and it shows how UH the the

811
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 15: the West exploited Latin America. And these are many African

812
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 15: people who have African roots, and many of them do

813
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 15: acknowledge their African heritage as well as their indigenous heritage.

814
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 15: And just like we are not a monolistic community. Neither

815
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 15: is the Latino community. And I just want to leave

816
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 15: you with that because I have many friends from places

817
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 15: like Panama and Cuba, and I actually had the pleasure

818
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 15: of going to Cuba and visiting the the the the

819
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 15: padrino that Marta Marina Vega had in the documentary entry

820
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 15: when the Spirit Dance Mambo. And I just thank you gentlemen.

821
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 15: Your analysis is dead on today, carl and I appreciate

822
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 15: you bringing on those producers from the other station.

823
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, sister five away from the top day.

824
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: We got to take a break real so, but Brandon,

825
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: do you want to respond to anything as system Forhima said.

826
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 8: I think she was very eloquent in talking about it.

827
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 8: Like I said, you know, when you ask the question,

828
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 8: do they know yes, Now, fifty five percent of Latino

829
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 8: men said that they voted for Trump. That is a

830
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 8: problem to me. But fifty five percent said this is

831
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 8: this is from max Axios. Axiales put out a They

832
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 8: put out a report back in twenty twenty four. Uh

833
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 8: so that might that number might have been adjusted. The

834
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 8: reason why I think it's important to too because it

835
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 8: was it was after right after the vote. Excuse me

836
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 8: so that that you know, those numbers might might might change.

837
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 8: But the most important thing to understand is, you know,

838
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 8: cultures matter, but getting out to vote matters as well.

839
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 8: And that's one of it's one of the sticking points.

840
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 8: I think that happens too between the Latinos and black folks.

841
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 12: You know, it's not all.

842
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 8: It's not all you know, unicorns and sunshine and sunbeams.

843
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 8: You know, we also rub up against others. Some of

844
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 8: these cultures are highly stratified and they do practice colorism.

845
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 8: You talked about Celia Cruz. I don't want to go

846
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 8: to on tarks. I know you gotta take a break.

847
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 8: But Selria Cruz was looked upon as one of the

848
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 8: queens of Afro Cuban movements, but she had to endure

849
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 8: to get there. Her endurance alone is something that she

850
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 8: be not just her singing and her style, but the

851
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 8: fact that she remained where she remained in how she

852
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 8: remained is a remarkable story. Some people say, like she's

853
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 8: the you know, she was, she was there, Patty LaBelle,

854
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 8: she was a little bit more than that. Not to

855
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 8: degrade Patty, but she was a little bit more than that.

856
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 8: She was She was a soldier of of the Afro

857
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 8: sound and and many battles in the colorism and the

858
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 8: certification with the humanization that is that was used to

859
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 8: help to help create some of those communities. What she's

860
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 8: saying in what often rears ugly ahead and she fought it.

861
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Well, hold up all right there, Zuka, that was a

862
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: famous as saint. That's right right, sugar. So we got

863
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: to take the showbreak and check the traffic and well

864
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: when we come back to it. Because I I've known

865
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: about Celia CHRISTI I didn't know the battles that she fought.

866
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: Somehow made the people in Cuba, especially Afro Cubans know

867
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: the fights that she had, but we don't hear so

868
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: much of it. They come out with a sort of

869
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: a unified front. So if you could talk to that,

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Speaker 1: address that when we get back. And also Mark and

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has a question or a comment for you family.

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Speaker 1: You two can get in on this conversation with Brandon.

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Speaker 1: He's a political blogger. All you have to do is

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Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: After we check the traffic and weather in our different stations.

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Speaker 1: Listen next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting a

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Speaker 1: week with us at too many to off the top

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Speaker 1: of that with political blogger Brandon discussing, well, discussing politics

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Speaker 1: as far as the Latino vote is concerned, and all

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Speaker 1: this on the heels of what happened on Sunday in

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl halftime show. So Brandon, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: finish your thought. And then, as I mentioned, Mark from

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has a.

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Speaker 5: Question for you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I was just going to say that with

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Speaker 8: the immigration that occurs, especially with black folks coming out

888
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Speaker 8: of those situations, they have the same we share, not

889
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Speaker 8: necessarily all of the same tactics of survivability through some

890
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Speaker 8: of the more racist things that occur in some of

891
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Speaker 8: these countries no matter where they are, but the fact

892
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Speaker 8: that we actually have to create a survival tactics, if

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Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. They may not all be

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Speaker 8: the same black folks in Germany and Switzerland.

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Speaker 1: And go ahead, I was going to say, but they

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Speaker 1: got some early numbers who watched that halftime show, Brandon,

897
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Speaker 1: and we said one hand and twenty million, So you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably pales in compassion to watch the alternative right right, I.

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Speaker 8: Mean, this is this is I'm telling you it was

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Speaker 8: a this is why the parks were empty and why

901
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Speaker 8: you know the different places were empty. Actually Overt Street

902
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Speaker 8: was there wasn't a ghost town, but it just wasn't there.

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Speaker 8: That and the fact that Ice is still in motion

904
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Speaker 8: as well. But I think there was more that they wanted.

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Speaker 8: They wanted to see representation.

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Speaker 12: And they got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Donald Trumps being quiet, they say on Kid

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Speaker 1: Rocks Alternative show. You know he used to talk about

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Speaker 1: that quite a bit. He hasn't said anything anyway. Let's

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Speaker 1: take let's take some calls for you at fof the

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Speaker 1: tough Day. As I mentioned, Mark's waiting for a season.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore is online too, Grand Rising Mark around with Brandon.

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Speaker 16: Hey, Grant Rising, guys, Yeah, the super Bowl last night,

914
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Speaker 16: you know you made it, you know because of the

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Speaker 16: first Puerto Ricans. But Carl, you asked the question, you said,

916
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Speaker 16: why would port you know, Puerto Ricans matainas about vote

917
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Speaker 16: for him? If you if you think about the three

918
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Speaker 16: thousands reported Puerto Ricans died doing that storm, and Trump

919
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Speaker 16: got mad with the women mayor and went their thrown

920
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Speaker 16: paper towns dehumanizing them.

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Speaker 14: You can't let.

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Speaker 16: People off the hook for voting for them. You know

923
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Speaker 16: what Rosie Perez said, a lot of men think like Trump.

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Speaker 16: Rosie Perez said during that time, she said that in

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Speaker 16: Puerto Rico, that the the men, a lot of the

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Speaker 16: men abused the women for a team up. A lot

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Speaker 16: of a lot of people have mindsets like that, and

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Speaker 16: we can't let them off the hook. And he also,

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Speaker 16: and I want to ask y'all this, what y'all think about?

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Speaker 16: He did invited our war hero Rhodes Scholar, h black

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Speaker 16: only black president of the United States, to the Governors

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Speaker 16: of Association, the only.

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Speaker 8: Black, only black governor in the United States.

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Speaker 16: Yes, in the United States. That he and he said

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Speaker 16: that he'll work with anybody, but he's not buying down anybody. Well,

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Speaker 16: he disinvited to the Doublin's Associating dinners, even though he's

937
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Speaker 16: the vice chairman of the Doubler associated What do you

938
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Speaker 16: guys think about that?

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Speaker 11: You know, the brother.

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Speaker 8: Trump put up one of the most vile pictures and

941
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Speaker 8: his administration lied about it. It's not victory of video.

942
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Speaker 8: And his administration, you know, had had about seventy five

943
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Speaker 8: seventy five different answers is why it happened, and he

944
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Speaker 8: had five himself. He did it on purpose, putting up

945
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Speaker 8: President Obama and Michelle as apes in this so called

946
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Speaker 8: Lion King thing that he was doing. And people point

947
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Speaker 8: out very astutely that there are no apes in that movie.

948
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Speaker 8: Once you once you do that, and I just want to,

949
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Speaker 8: I want to, I just want to point this out

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Speaker 8: because I'm not I'm not going away beering off too

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Speaker 8: far from what you said. When he came down that

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Speaker 8: escalated the first time he ran. He dehumanized Latinos from

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Speaker 8: the very beginning, and he said, they're not Mexico's not

954
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Speaker 8: sitting here their best. They're doing this, They're doing that,

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Speaker 8: They're doing this, they're doing that. Soon after, two brothers

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Speaker 8: in Boston, I believe it was, we're walking along the

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Speaker 8: street later at night, they came upon a homeless Latino

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Speaker 8: man and they beat him and then urinated on him,

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Speaker 8: extolling the virtue the Trump had just laid out about

960
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Speaker 8: Latino people. They're not the virtues but the vilification. And

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Speaker 8: so what are we to say when he does that,

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Speaker 8: other than the fact that there was a racist move

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Speaker 8: The people that still follow him or along those lines,

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Speaker 8: the brothers that still follow him or along the lines

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Speaker 8: of self hatred, and they must be removed. He in

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Speaker 8: his cabal and the cacistocracy that is that administration must

967
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Speaker 8: be removed from the table of governance completely utterly if

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Speaker 8: black people are to survive. There isn't a question anymore.

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Speaker 13: The man is.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's going to people saying, well, he's he's

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Speaker 8: going into some dementia. I'm saying this to say that

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Speaker 8: to that brother answered, I think correctly. As a governor,

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Speaker 8: I do not have time to do a deep psychological

974
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Speaker 8: dive into Donald Trump's head. I have to govern a state.

975
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Speaker 8: But he did say that he that he kept him out,

976
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Speaker 8: and the fact, like you said, are are clear. He's

977
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Speaker 8: a chairman. How do you not have him in there?

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Speaker 8: This is a vindictive, ridiculous, ignorant you know, want to

979
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Speaker 8: be tyrant, want to be strong man. And that's that's

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Speaker 8: really at the course of it, because he becomes dangerous

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Speaker 8: once people forget those things you did. What I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: at least that's my opinion.

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Speaker 5: But Brandon, let me jump in here. I thank you

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Speaker 5: for that question. Mark.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the rest of the governments then are

986
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Speaker 1: going to boycott. And you think that it's going to

987
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Speaker 1: be if if, if, if one of our cannot attend,

988
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Speaker 1: we're all not going to attend. What do you think

989
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Speaker 1: they're going to stay on code? It's nearly full of

990
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Speaker 1: in telling some white folks they have a code. They

991
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Speaker 1: stay on code. We just don't stay on code. How

992
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Speaker 1: did you see this turning out?

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Speaker 8: I mean, is there a code?

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Speaker 9: You know?

995
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Speaker 8: Is there a code left? When Governor Moore decided, you know,

996
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Speaker 8: because he's out of Maryland, when he decided to go

997
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Speaker 8: on the air to talk about it, you know what

998
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Speaker 8: I'm saying. He talked about it as the governor of

999
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Speaker 8: all the people, we have to try to do our

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Speaker 8: best to get all as many people out. I think

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Speaker 8: that the reckoning that a lot of white folks come

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Speaker 8: to through Minnesota, Karl, because remember they killed that young

1003
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Speaker 8: lady Good and then within a week's time killed a nurse,

1004
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Speaker 8: a white man. So they killed two white people within

1005
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Speaker 8: a week's time who did not represent the the sole

1006
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Speaker 8: called you know, leftist sociopath lies that they try to

1007
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Speaker 8: put out about them at all, and every little detail

1008
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Speaker 8: they tried to go into it. Now I'm gonna say

1009
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Speaker 8: this is going to probably turn a lot of people's heads.

1010
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Speaker 8: But there's a lot of things that are important in

1011
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Speaker 8: the world, and I know you've got you guys have

1012
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Speaker 8: probably covered it, But there's nothing more important than what's

1013
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 8: coming out of the Epstein file, not just for what

1014
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Speaker 8: the facts they can pull in, because a lot of

1015
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Speaker 8: brothers and sisters have been saying for many years. I'm

1016
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Speaker 8: not one of them, but a lot of them have

1017
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Speaker 8: been saying they've been a cabal. There's a way that

1018
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 8: this world is run by the rich and powerful and

1019
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 8: showing that, and so those facts are very important. But

1020
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Speaker 8: we also have to pay attention to not going down

1021
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Speaker 8: too many rabbit holes and expending our energy in those

1022
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Speaker 8: areas because we still have to give people out to

1023
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Speaker 8: vote and to protect the vote. At the same time

1024
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Speaker 8: we can walk in chew gum. We are trying to

1025
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Speaker 8: stop this paramilitary organization from becoming even more deadly to

1026
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Speaker 8: all of us, not just American citizens. So there are

1027
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Speaker 8: different fronts, Carl, that have to be approached.

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Speaker 1: Right, I've got further Let me jump in here for

1029
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Speaker 1: a second, because you mentioned you talked about the cabal.

1030
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Speaker 1: That was one of the things that Maga was talking about.

1031
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Speaker 1: There was this cabal and they were seeing there were

1032
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Speaker 1: Democrats and they were pedophiles, they were taking advantage of children,

1033
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Speaker 1: and they were saying that Hillary Clinton was part of it,

1034
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Speaker 1: she was the mastermind, and it was taking place of

1035
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Speaker 1: this pizza joint in Washington, d C. In the in

1036
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Speaker 1: the basement. Turns out that the pizzas ooint didn't have

1037
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Speaker 1: a basement. They were correct about pedophilia, but it wasn't

1038
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Speaker 1: mostly Democrats, mostly Republicans. So they have they are bristling

1039
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Speaker 1: now when all this reports are coming out because you know,

1040
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Speaker 1: they've they've got some Democrats in there in the Epstein files,

1041
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Speaker 1: but most of the people that were involved are Republicans.

1042
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Speaker 1: It's like almost ninety percent of them as the republic

1043
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Speaker 1: So so the MAGA people are scratching their heads and

1044
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's their next move because they

1045
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Speaker 1: were correct, but they the people were doing it with Democrats.

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Speaker 8: Your thoughts, Well, they've been quiet. That's one of the

1047
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Speaker 8: one of the things, you know, they they just started

1048
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Speaker 8: once he published those pictures of President Obama or that

1049
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Speaker 8: video of President Obama and Michelle they you know, they

1050
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Speaker 8: started to comment on that, but they quieted down because

1051
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Speaker 8: you remember, Carl, there was a man who went to

1052
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Speaker 8: jail because from the from MAGA was supposed to be

1053
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Speaker 8: this uh, this child sex ring coming out of this

1054
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Speaker 8: place in Washington called Atomic Pizza. Guy shows up with

1055
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Speaker 8: a shotgun talking about released the kids. Well, he had

1056
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Speaker 8: read it online. It was the Q and Non movement

1057
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Speaker 8: was going on, and he believed it.

1058
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Speaker 13: And he went there.

1059
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Speaker 8: He was going to be the savior of these children.

1060
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Speaker 8: And remember they also tried to tie Hillary Clinton to it.

1061
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Speaker 8: Then we find out that there are all these men around,

1062
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Speaker 8: all these all these you know, some of you know,

1063
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Speaker 8: I wouldn't tell anybody to go to it. If you

1064
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Speaker 8: want to go to it, that's fine. I think one

1065
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Speaker 8: of the great things is two things that's happening and

1066
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Speaker 8: side by side. You didn't ask me this particularly, but

1067
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Speaker 8: I think it's something we should point out. You're seeing

1068
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Speaker 8: the deconstruction of the Department of Justice. They are wholeheartedly

1069
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Speaker 8: destroying it because by putting this stuff out and then

1070
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Speaker 8: taking some of them down, redacting when they were supposed

1071
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Speaker 8: to redacting, they're ignoring the laws. So every time they

1072
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Speaker 8: ignore the law, call or they're chipping away. Also, your

1073
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Speaker 8: colleagues have shown themselves to be some of the biggest

1074
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Speaker 8: cowards on the planet. And I'm talking about the networks themselves.

1075
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Speaker 8: You know, some of them are still trying to hold

1076
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Speaker 8: it together and put it down. But most of the

1077
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Speaker 8: work that a lot of people are hearing from what's

1078
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Speaker 8: in the files are coming from people online, online sleuths.

1079
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Speaker 8: You know, these these citizen journalists, people who have no cover,

1080
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Speaker 8: who if they find something really deep, all of a

1081
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 8: sudden gets swarmed. Do they get docks, do they get

1082
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Speaker 8: you know, swatted, and then they got to go through

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Speaker 8: some kind of personal hell because there's just they merely

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 8: are finding out what's really in these files, and it's

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Speaker 8: really it's it's it's probably one of the most important

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Speaker 8: things that's out there, because it should happen. The government

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 8: should be investigating all of the things to have some

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 8: sort of viable grasp on the past and some roots

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Speaker 8: of allegations and some So I'm gonna tell you, Carl,

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 8: when I I wasn't even one over by them until

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00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 8: I heard the actual conversation of Ahoo Barack, former Prime

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Speaker 8: Minister of Israel, having a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein about placement.

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Speaker 8: As far as what happens next, in his career, how

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 8: to move money, how to make it, and he actually, uh,

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 8: he actually suggested. Epstein actually suggested that he who Barack,

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 8: get in contact with Peter Thiel and so the beginning

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Speaker 8: prop care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this begs this question, man, do you think that

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Speaker 1: Epstein is still alive? Do you think it was part

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Speaker 1: of the massage? Do you think he's right now sunning

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: on the beach in Haifa because there are all discrepancies

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Speaker 1: about it, whether they or not he killed himself and

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00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: just nobody seeing his body, your thoughts and all of that,

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Speaker 1: because it seems deeper, and again, let me throw this

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Speaker 1: in there. Why would an average person be keeping so

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Speaker 1: many files on people? I mean these are one hundreds

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Speaker 1: and thousands of five everybody just look at your homes.

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00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: How many fives do you have on your friends? Do

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Speaker 1: you have any at all?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 17: Question?

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Speaker 8: The The idea of it being the Stein files is

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Speaker 8: kind of a misnomer because it's an aggregate of different

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Speaker 8: different type of investigations process some of the files, yes

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Speaker 8: or is You're right? There are way too many files

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Speaker 8: on people that are close to him. There are also

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 8: a lot of emails that he kept. It's you know,

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00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 8: the communications that he has that a lot of people

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00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 8: started back when people thought that emails were going to

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Speaker 8: be safe and not I've ever seen and so. And

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Speaker 8: then you also have investigations, you have police reports. There's

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Speaker 8: a lot of different stuff that is in there. So

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Speaker 8: it's not just him holding but he did hold a

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Speaker 8: lot of files on different people. I think, like I said,

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Speaker 8: I was more interested and I told you this directly,

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Speaker 8: I was more interested in stuff that's on the ground

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 8: that we can prove immediately. There's enough being done by

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Speaker 8: this administration that we need to have people run who

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Speaker 8: are going to promise accountability and not necessarily just to

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Speaker 8: return to normal. It has to be a little bit

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Speaker 8: more than that, because the things that are being done

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Speaker 8: are so dehumanizing. People have died, people are suffering. They

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Speaker 8: just came out with reported one of the detention centers

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Speaker 8: that the people are being treated horribly. These are the

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Speaker 8: type of things that we have to stand up against.

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Speaker 8: And when you do that, you have to have leaders

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Speaker 8: who are going to be who are going to be

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Speaker 8: willing to go after it. Now I've said this before,

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Speaker 8: I think that a lot of the democratic leadership is

1140
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 8: too old. They have neither the energy or the fight

1141
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 8: in him. Not all of them, but some of them

1142
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 8: have neither the energy nor the fight in them. The performative,

1143
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 8: but you know, what are you really prepared to do?

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Speaker 8: And this is where the youth comes in comes in, Carl,

1145
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 8: because there's a lot of young people who are diving

1146
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Speaker 8: into these files. And I'm not going to say he's

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Speaker 8: with Mussade. Some of the files say that, I'm not

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Speaker 8: going to say that he. I just saw one the

1149
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Speaker 8: other day, Carl, that that showed his his health record

1150
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 8: and it showed that he had her pie simplex too,

1151
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 8: and I didn't think it was real, and then you

1152
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 8: check it against them us and yeah, it's real. Then

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Speaker 8: they had another one that came up. And at the

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 8: same time, remember one of the things that that can

1155
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 8: be done as an OP is to you know, deluse

1156
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 8: you with this all this stuff, and so you just

1157
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 8: keep chewing and chewing and chewing and chewing, and you

1158
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 8: never catch the flavor of anything. Is all you're doing

1159
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 8: is chewing on this stuff. So it should be in

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 8: the ranks of great newspapers, you know, past and some

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01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 8: of the giant newspapers and an organizations should be going

1162
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 8: through this stuff. They should have legions of people working

1163
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Speaker 8: on this, but instead, you know, it's left up to

1164
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 8: citizen journalists and people online and influencers. And I'm not

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Speaker 8: saying that that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy it.

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Speaker 8: The ones that I follow. I like what they put out.

1168
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 8: You have to check it yourself if you can't. But

1169
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 8: at the same time, they don't have any cover, so

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Speaker 8: you have to be very right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the other place too, where I go is go

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: to different countries and read the newspapers because they're not

1174
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: afraid of Donald Trump, and they're reporting that they see,

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Speaker 1: just like our citizen journalists said, do it eighteen a

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Speaker 1: half the time day, We've got a bunch of folks

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you, Brown, I said, we'll get

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Speaker 1: to them when we get back, but got to step

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: aside for a few moments. A family YouTube can join

1180
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Speaker 1: our conversation. Brand Im he's a political blogger. Reach out

1181
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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. Grand Rising family,

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us with a political

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Speaker 1: blog of Brandon. Quickly before I go to the calls, though,

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Speaker 1: this this this what we're seeing from Donald Trump, is

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: this to to uh, to defer attention from what's going

1187
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: on or the revelations of the Epstein files. I think

1188
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: all of these the things that he's saying and what

1189
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: he's doing is just to you know, keep it late

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Speaker 1: on what's coming out with the Epstein files.

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Speaker 8: I think I think there's partly part of that. I

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 8: think I've I follow a couple of doctors on Instagram myself,

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 8: and uh, they're of the opinion that he because a

1194
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 8: lot of this comes out and a lot of things

1195
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Speaker 8: that he does come out happens uh in the early

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01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 8: evenings that he's actually sundowning. So they're saying that he

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Speaker 8: might be suffering from frontal temple Louisville lobe, temporal lobe

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Speaker 8: excuse me, dementia, and uh, you know, I think that

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Speaker 8: there might be some truth to that. So and so

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Speaker 8: if that's the case, I know you've seen the makeup

1201
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 8: on his hand that they say that he's that he

1202
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 8: may have some marks, some some splotchiness on his hands.

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 8: It actually is growing because he's getting these ivs all

1204
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 8: the time, and so they make up on his hand.

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Speaker 8: And so that's happening. There's a bigger problem, Carl that

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01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 8: which is, those around him are hiding the fact that

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 8: he may be terribly ill or or shouldn't be in

1208
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Speaker 8: the position of making decisions the way he's making. That

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 8: may be the case. I don't know if that's the case,

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 8: but that may be the case, which is a bigger

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Speaker 8: problem for the security of this station. We just had

1212
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Speaker 8: an explosion. There were some some reports of of of Tulsi.

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01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 8: She she received there was a whistleblower report. I know

1214
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 8: you heard about this. Of course, he probably reported on it.

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 8: That there was a call that was made and regards

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 8: to Trump and a known I'm not going to say spy,

1217
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 8: but let's just say foreign national that had some concern

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01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 8: in the security of the people in United States and

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 8: that was hidden for months, locked away stuff like that.

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Speaker 8: Let me just I'll just give you one word that might,

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 8: you know, shake up some people. Or I'll give you

1222
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 8: a phrase. You know, knowledge of the proximity of the submarines,

1223
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 8: A great deal of our submarine fleet is not known.

1224
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 8: Once they go under, we don't know one's supposed to

1225
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 8: know where they're going. Is the highest of some of

1226
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Speaker 8: the highest secrets that we have. You you you let

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Speaker 8: let let it be known those people were very vulnerable

1228
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Speaker 8: down there, and so that could happen with anything, though,

1229
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 8: Carls not just not just something, it can happen with

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Speaker 8: the economy, which which is what we're seeing going on

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Speaker 8: right now. Right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought there, let's get to some of these

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01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: folks who want to talk to you, Brandon eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight six or twenty four minutes

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Speaker 1: after Jean's calling us from Pikesville and Maryland's online three

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Genie with Brandon.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Grant Robin, good morning, Brandon, Thank you very much

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 6: for the information you're putting out.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I think one of the problems we have, Brandon, my

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01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 6: question to you is centers around the uh, the Jesuits

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 6: and the Knights templar, and you know that that history

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 6: connection between uh, you know, Spain and Portugal and France.

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 6: Alexander du Mars uh emphasized that in his writings, uh

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 6: stories about the Inquisition, et cetera. I think that it's

1247
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 6: it's to me, it's this it's lost in translation. Uh,

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01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 6: what we're what we're doing. Give it an example, the

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 6: gen uh doctor k Wise Whitehead emphasizes that the gen

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Speaker 6: X uh kids who voted for Donald Trump, uh, you know,

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 6: did so at our course, to our community. But again

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01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 6: when I look at it, I say to myself, well,

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Speaker 6: what religion are the gen xers are they? Are they

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Speaker 6: Christians or belong to any religion or are they religion less?

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 6: You know, I think that this is important. I was

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 6: in Thailand, in Bangkok during the Vietnam campaign and twelve

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01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 6: year old girls and thirteen fourteen year old girls were

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Speaker 6: in prostitution. In the Philippines, the age of concent is

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Speaker 6: twelve years old. So this thing, in reference to the

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Speaker 6: Epstein file so forth, is when you go down into

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Speaker 6: this rabbit hole, you know, we're going to see a lot.

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Speaker 6: And you know that's basically my question.

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Speaker 13: What do you think?

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Speaker 6: How deep is this rabbit hole? In reference to the

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Speaker 6: Epstein's files and the road that really is religion plays

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Speaker 6: in what's going on now?

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Speaker 5: All right? Thanks Jane.

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Speaker 8: I think I don't I don't know who he when

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01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 8: he said gen X kids, I'm gen X with myself

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Speaker 8: and I got Graves, So I think he might have

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Speaker 8: been talking about gen Z possibly possible, and maybe not millennials,

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Speaker 8: the gen Z.

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Speaker 13: You're right, gen Z.

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Speaker 6: You're right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, general Z.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,879
Speaker 8: You know, that's okay, that's all right. You know, sometimes

1278
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 8: we just like to say, you know, I'm not nothing.

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Speaker 9: Me, I'm maybe I'm maybe years old, man, please.

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Speaker 8: You know, okay, well I'm not quiet, I'm not quite there.

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Speaker 13: But you know, you don't sound you don't sound you

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 13: don't sound that old.

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Speaker 8: I think I think religion is a big problem in

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01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 8: the black community in the sense that they're losing people

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01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 8: for a very particular reason. Some of the the I

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 8: don't say this fore front, but I don't mean this

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 8: in the mean way. I am in a so I'm

1288
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 8: not gonna sit up here and knock and knock them.

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Speaker 8: The Black church has been the center of most of

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 8: our civil rights movements here in the United States. It

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Speaker 8: also was a center for our business. It was a

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 8: center for our intellectualism. It's a center of a great

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 8: deal of strength that we pull from it as part

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01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 8: of our strategies of survival, surviving agency or national agency

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Speaker 8: over us. Okay, However, one of the problems is is

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Speaker 8: religion has a hard time, especially when it locks in

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Speaker 8: it cannot really grow that to go is when it

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Speaker 8: has to expand, it has a hard time doing that.

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Speaker 8: We've seen that with Catholicism, We've seen that with other

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Speaker 8: natures and the people that actually control it and run it.

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Speaker 8: You can't really put it over the young generations like

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Speaker 8: they used to because they can go and check you

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Speaker 8: online and then they can see how you live, and

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Speaker 8: they can see directly what's going on, and they you know,

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Speaker 8: they can and they have conversations and they amongst themselves

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Speaker 8: have their own cultures. The way that they're moving culture,

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Speaker 8: you know, so you have to be very careful about

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Speaker 8: how you approach that. The evangelism has worked very well

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Speaker 8: for the this civil slow motion civil war that we're in.

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Speaker 8: For the hateful right, it has worked very well. They've

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Speaker 8: been able to couch all kinds of disinformation and misinformation

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Speaker 8: in there, and it's locked in and it becomes part

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Speaker 8: of their culture and they repeat it over and over

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Speaker 8: and over again. They repeat it. That's one thing Carls

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Speaker 8: was just talking about with the thing that happened when

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Speaker 8: when Q Q and on was talking about the pedophia

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Speaker 8: supposedly and the Democrats, that was spread throughout their churches

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Speaker 8: and their ministers and their pastors spread it willingly with

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Speaker 8: no information. They just put it out there and their

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Speaker 8: congregates gravity. And this is why I say that MAGA

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Speaker 8: is a very dangerous, violent cult because they will do

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Speaker 8: what they're told and believe only what they're told. And

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Speaker 8: we've seen this happen over and over. It's not new.

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Speaker 8: That's one of the only things that you can say

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Speaker 8: that comes out of war, especially if you're talking about

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Speaker 8: World War two, is you have to take the lesson.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that if we can look at

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Speaker 8: and the death of so many eighty million in that

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Speaker 8: war are the lessons of where things could lead to.

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Speaker 8: And it only matters if you apply the solutions or

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Speaker 8: you recognize what's going on, and you maybe have to

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Speaker 8: come up with new solutions, but at the very least,

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Speaker 8: you know, pay attention to what's going on and how

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Speaker 8: people can be drawn into a violent cult. And this

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Speaker 8: is why I say that they must be removed from

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Speaker 8: the table of governance, because I don't think they can

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Speaker 8: be convinced. There's no middle ground between fascism and something else.

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Speaker 8: You are either a fascist or you're not, or you're

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Speaker 8: over here with reasonable people. So you know, there's no

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 8: need to sit there and try to look for any

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Speaker 8: cushion there. It has to be understood and the lessons

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Speaker 8: of the past can be applied with new energy from

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Speaker 8: where we are right now, and that includes I think

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Speaker 8: religion and people who have religious ideals right now. I

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Speaker 8: do believe that. I think that some of the younger

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Speaker 8: people that are coming out of the church are coming

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Speaker 8: out of some It might be a different iteration of it,

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Speaker 8: but they're still bringing that energy that's needed to make

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Speaker 8: the change.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold on thought twenty nine away from the

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Speaker 1: top of agon. A bunch of folks want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, Brandon. Let's go to Thomas. He's online too.

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Speaker 1: He's calling from Maryland. Thomas grand Rising. You're on with Brandon.

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Speaker 13: Grand Rising.

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Speaker 14: Can you hear me, sir? Yeah, yes, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 14: I appreciate if you're coming out with the sacks and

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Speaker 14: not propaganda like the systems talking about the sacks of

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Speaker 14: all the sacks. I have been a contractor home improvement

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Speaker 14: for thirty five years. Ninety five percent of the workforce

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Speaker 14: has been Latino brothers. I don't have a problem with them,

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Speaker 14: but I've always had the spoop who sat beside the

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Speaker 14: door with me, who spoke fluent Spanish, but was on

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Speaker 14: my side and would always report to me the things

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Speaker 14: that were being said when I didn't understand Spanish.

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Speaker 13: They do not.

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Speaker 14: Have a intimate relationship with black people, Okay. They see

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Speaker 14: women as sex objects. Black women and most of them,

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Speaker 14: if we remember, because I did, because I did the

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Speaker 14: PBS poll, CBS, NBC, our Shopton, they all report the

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Speaker 14: same thing. You just said that Donald Trump got eighteen

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Speaker 14: percent more votes from them than before, and they voted

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Speaker 14: for him. So now when I'm asking you if you remember,

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Speaker 14: the Latino community were well aware, especially men of Minister Farrakah. Okay,

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Speaker 14: for years when he called for that million man march,

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Speaker 14: he didn't use ethnicity. They did not come and stand

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Speaker 14: with us, even in one percent, So that's telling on

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Speaker 14: his own. So, sir, your numbers are correct. They got

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Speaker 14: what they voted for, even if they were tricked, so

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Speaker 14: they have to deal with it. And I think lastly,

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Speaker 14: we're being like Mark from Anaheim said, he's trying to

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Speaker 14: draw us in with this Obama thing that he just

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Speaker 14: did with the monkey suits. He's trying to draw black

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Speaker 14: people in because the missionaries are here and they work

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Speaker 14: in the ice to kill and ravas, and we need

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Speaker 14: to fit this out. And that's all I got to say.

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Speaker 1: Man, all right, thanks Thomas Brandon. You want to respond

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Speaker 1: to what Thomas just said.

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Speaker 8: I don't agree that we need to sit it out

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Speaker 8: and we're when eventually we can't. There's a there's a disconnect.

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Speaker 8: I think that people think that, you know, just because

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Speaker 8: we're allies, that we have to agree on everything.

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Speaker 14: We don't.

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Speaker 8: But Latino, the Latin culture is a huge part of

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Speaker 8: this nation. We are evidence of that, and I, like

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Speaker 8: I always talk about with Los Angeles, it's a place

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Speaker 8: that's had to make it better with the blend. And

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Speaker 8: so that's my point of view. There's a lot of

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Speaker 8: people that don't think that we should have to and

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Speaker 8: don't think that we can survive without it. But I'm

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Speaker 8: going to tell them that the future belongs to those

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Speaker 8: who understand the true divers and the strength of diverse.

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Speaker 8: Let me let me say it like this, if you

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Speaker 8: are selling something, would you would you do? You think

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 8: that you know you're to stay here and fight it

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 8: out to try to get you know, very nice crumbs

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 8: in a market where brothers and sisters attentions are being

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Speaker 8: fought for every second, every millisecond or does it make

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 8: sense to open yourself up to the entire western hemisphere

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Speaker 8: that the North and South American heresphere by learning Spanish.

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Speaker 8: It's a business decision as well, but it's also one

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Speaker 8: that's already connected. We already have connectivity. The Afro Latino

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Speaker 8: community is long and strong, goes from here all the

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Speaker 8: way down to Chile. And we have to understand that

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Speaker 8: just because we're there, though, doesn't necessarily mean that we're

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Speaker 8: all on the same page every day. Who does that,

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Speaker 8: of course not so yes, I'm more obviously, I'm more

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Speaker 8: flabbergasket at the white farmers who saw how he devastated

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Speaker 8: many of the soybean farmers in his first term, and

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Speaker 8: then they would turn around and voted for him again

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Speaker 8: in this Trump and and they were looking as if

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Speaker 8: he was gonna do something different, and he's all he's

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Speaker 8: devastated it now with these tariffs again, That's why I'm

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01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 8: tripping off. And they want and they want to they

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01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 8: want to hand out. And you know, Carl that the

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Speaker 8: black farmers got that, they got that judgment in their favor. Uh,

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Speaker 8: they're supposed to be paid with President Obama. The Republican

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Speaker 8: Congress said no, they didn't allocate the funds, and now

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Speaker 8: of course Trump has stopped that, so they'll never be paid.

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Speaker 8: But we're supposed to, you know, use tax dollars to

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Speaker 8: pay these you know, these farmers who knew that Trump

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Speaker 8: was going to destroy their industry.

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Speaker 9: They knew it.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, he invited all these farmers

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Speaker 1: who claimed the land they were taken from him from

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Speaker 1: South Africa, these white South aflam farmers to come in

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Speaker 1: and the money for the brothers, our brothers and sisters

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Speaker 1: who were on farms, black farmers. They didn't get it,

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Speaker 1: or they close to be getting it, I understand. But

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Speaker 1: thanks for sharing that, all right, because we take another

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Speaker 1: break and check the news and trafficking weather in our

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Speaker 1: different cities. At twenty four minutes away from the top,

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Speaker 1: they are still got some more folks want to speak

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: with Brandon. He's a political blogger. You don't how to

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: reach him eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls after we

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Speaker 1: check the news, trafficking sports. This's next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning with

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Speaker 1: our guest of political blogger Brannon they've got some folks

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Speaker 1: want to talk to Branda. Before that, let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're gonna speak

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Speaker 1: with researcher and history professor May Newhan and Pim and

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: later this week as we continue Black History Month, we

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Speaker 1: will be joined by the master herbalist and metaphysician, doctor

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: b also Greo Baba Lamombo Bee here educated doctor Tyrene

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01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: Wright and also quans of Creator, doctor Malana Karring will

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Speaker 1: also join us. So if you are in Baltimore, make

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Speaker 1: sure you keep your radio locked on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: or if you're in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: WL and Brandon. Before I take another coffee, let me

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Speaker 1: just respond to Thomas who said, and you agree we

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01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't see this one. I'll just give you two reasons, Thomas,

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: do your research. Doctor Joseph Ben Yackaman, doctor Ben as

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: we know, and who is the I guess the Dean,

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01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: the grandfather of Pan Africanism. He's Afro Puerto Rican. If

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: you go to go to New York City, our turo

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: Schromberg with author author that's our tour is uh Spanish

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: for author author Schromberg. The Schromberg Library and Research Center,

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 1: which is the citadel of black information in this country.

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Speaker 1: He's a black Puerto Rican, so he's Afro Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 1: So I just so when you say we should sit

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: this one out, don't be looking because they look different.

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01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Afro Afro Latina and Latina's out

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01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 1: there who support us, been for us stronger than some

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Speaker 1: of us at that fact.

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Speaker 5: So Thomas, look that up. Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Yes, the the the the Afro diaspora includes it in

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Speaker 8: a great sense, the Afro Latino mix, and it's not

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 8: something that that we should overlook right now. We should

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01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 8: actually look to them now. They still have struggles of

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01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 8: their own. Colonialism, colorism, stratification, class stratify case, excuse me,

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 8: are still big. And I know people who have you

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Speaker 8: do to Carl, who are expats that have moved to

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Speaker 8: Latin countries, and you know, they go thinking one thing

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Speaker 8: and it is cool as long as they're in their community,

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01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 8: but when they step out, you know they running the

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Speaker 8: process they run in like nineteenth century plan is, you know,

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Speaker 8: and we know what happened in Argentina. We know, we

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 8: know who landed in Argentina after nineteen forty five, So

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01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 8: these these things are not as simple as just you

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01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 8: know who's out front, who's not, who's back and who's

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 8: But you know what, we're we're grown and we can

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Speaker 8: handle that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And let me just add a quote from Carlins Santana.

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Speaker 1: He says, first of all, the music that people call

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: Latin or Hispanic is really African. So black people need

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: to get the credit for that. That's carl Us Santana

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: said that. So you know, they're trying to keep us

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Speaker 1: against each other.

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Speaker 5: Family, just that.

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Speaker 8: Can I say this before you go to carl because

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Speaker 8: I had I had a conversation about this where I

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Speaker 8: was asked, what has what have immigrants, the Afro immigrants

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01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 8: mostly but black immigrants, what have they done for us?

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01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 8: And I don't like to turn it into that, you know,

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Speaker 8: because I say the afrid asta, but it's kind of

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Speaker 8: important to understand. And then the person also said that

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01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 8: because they got there. Now I dig this. I'm only

1508
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 8: saying this to you. I'm talking to you close. Now

1509
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 8: let's act like we're at the bar. Said that they

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01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 8: got some of their protest strategies from our civil rights movement.

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Speaker 8: And I sat there and I looked and kind of

1512
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 8: you know kind of bewilderment, and a lot of people

1513
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,759
Speaker 8: not know this right. Gandhi was in South Africa first,

1514
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 8: and South Africa was highly stratified. They had apartheid. He

1515
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,440
Speaker 8: was for the liberation and the placement within that stratification

1516
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 8: of the Indian He still had racist views against African

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01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 8: black African what we call Black Africa, mostly Zulu or

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01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 8: minie Zulu. He came in contact with him though in

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 8: his struggles and began to kind of garner a new respect.

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01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 8: He develops this the way to cite the peaceful protest

1521
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 8: and our money. He wasn't a pacifist. He just felt that,

1522
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 8: you know, violence at the last resort imported that went

1523
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 8: back to India, started the independence movement to get rid

1524
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 8: of raj and you know India, to throw the empire

1525
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 8: of the British Empire off its back, and did so.

1526
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 8: He did so in a way that was more powerful

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Speaker 8: than most people. Okay, he impressed a young doctor king.

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Speaker 12: So did that.

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 8: And at the same time the ANC started what Night

1530
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 8: was in nineteen seventeen or nineteen twelve, So they developed

1531
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 8: their own movement the only way of dealing with the party.

1532
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 8: Then you had the movement out of Kenya. It wasn't

1533
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 8: it didn't start with Jomo Kenyatta, but he certainly finished it.

1534
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 8: And so what I'm trying to say is a lot

1535
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 8: of those tactics and techniques were actually imported here to us.

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01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 8: Doctor King, you know, he was a proponent of Gandhi's

1537
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 8: use of nonviolence, and because of the Soviet Union and

1538
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 8: other pressures on the United States, he was able to

1539
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 8: use it expertly and I mean surgically. You know, many

1540
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 8: of the things that Carl that we remember from history,

1541
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 8: some of the films and some of the television video

1542
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 8: that we remember from those civil rights days come from

1543
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 8: him setting up those moments and forcing the issue because

1544
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 8: he understood, you know, from the lessons that he had

1545
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 8: gotten from the continent and from other places around the world.

1546
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 8: And so we mustn't we mustn't disassociate ourselves with anyone's

1547
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 8: movement for progression and human rights. That's my point. That's

1548
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 8: the point. I'm trying to make it a long winded way.

1549
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 8: Now I have a drink.

1550
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: From the top before we take that drag. Ken's calling

1551
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: from Florida's online for Grant Rising Brandon political blog of branding.

1552
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Yes, grandmrising and thank you for taking my car. One

1553
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 3: quick thing. You know, we see all these things that

1554
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: Trump is doing to us here in African Americans, but

1555
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: at the same time, he is sending an envoy to

1556
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: Mali to try to get cooperation and to get some

1557
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 3: of the minerals in that country. And we here in

1558
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: the United States, US African Americans here in the United

1559
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 3: States will not turn that into our advantage to help

1560
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: us here with what we're dealing with in the United

1561
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: States by creating and some brothers are doing it. Some

1562
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 3: brothers are in Bakuina Fosso. But you don't hear a

1563
01:24:54,680 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 3: lot of I will say, our supposedly scholars come on

1564
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 3: and talk about that and inform the people because it's

1565
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 3: not on CNN, it's not on MSNBC or any of

1566
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: the other news network that our people consume. So I

1567
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 3: think we look, we stay focused on the plantations. And

1568
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 3: even geral Horn, doctor gerl Horn tells us we have

1569
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: to internationalize our our struggles, and I'm afraid that too

1570
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 3: many leaders politicians does not do that. Maca spent a

1571
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 3: lot of time in Africa. He was invited by NASA

1572
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: in Egypt to be a part of his government. Kwame

1573
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 3: Increma wanted him to be a part of his government

1574
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 3: and other African countries, you know. But he said his

1575
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 3: fight us to stay here in the United States and

1576
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 3: help us. The next thing I'm gonna do it quickly.

1577
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: Two more things quickly, if you just bear with me,

1578
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 3: two more things is Trump, I feel is a Soviet agent,

1579
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: is a Russian agent. Because one of the things that

1580
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: the Russians what will weaken America more is to destabilizing

1581
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 3: the United States. And what best way to destabilize the

1582
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 3: United States than through race. That is the easiest way

1583
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 3: to destabilize the United States. And in addition to that,

1584
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 3: if you look at some of his policies to get

1585
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 3: the United States out of NATO, that will benefit the

1586
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 3: Soviet Union. And I'm going to say this, why I

1587
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 3: believe that is one of the things that Lennon said.

1588
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 13: He said that the.

1589
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 3: Africans, Americans will be at the spearhead with spearhead the

1590
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 3: communist revolution. And the last thing I want to say

1591
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 3: quickly is we have to be careful, and I've started

1592
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 3: doing this, be careful of the blacks that we listen to,

1593
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: because some of us, they would mislead us. Okay, and

1594
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna push back a little bit on the immigration thing,

1595
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 3: and us participated. If you want to participate and you

1596
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: say fight, have an agenda or what it is that

1597
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 3: we want to accomplish in this fight, just to get

1598
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 3: out there and fight without having an agenda, leader to

1599
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: what we have always been doing, fighting and get in

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01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 3: little progress, okay.

1601
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 5: And can I you're racing the clock.

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01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm goin to break and I want Brandon to respond

1603
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: to what you've placed on his plate momentary. So I

1604
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: thank you, Ken, thank you for you your questions, are

1605
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: your commics branded your response.

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01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 8: To see I think that we can we can do

1607
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 8: many things at the same time, and fighting on many

1608
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 8: fronts is not a problem. As a matter of fact,

1609
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 8: it's one of the things that we actually do well.

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01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 8: Not everybody has the same quote unquote agenda, so it's

1611
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 8: kind of ridiculous to say that we have to have

1612
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 8: an agenda. The nation of black people in the United

1613
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 8: States of America is not a modelist nation. The nation

1614
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 8: made up of many different, diverse people who have different ideas, concepts, needs,

1615
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 8: and resources. And it's ridiculous to have somebody say, fight

1616
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 8: for water rights in a place that has very little

1617
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 8: water save in the United State and Los Angeles. To

1618
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 8: be talking about more about the economy and how we're

1619
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 8: going to get through the economy. It is more important

1620
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 8: to understand the topical reasons that she would have for say,

1621
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 8: a union in some places rather than land, whereas the

1622
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 8: farmers actually want to focus on land and land management,

1623
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 8: use and resources and so far so we can do

1624
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 8: those things, but let us not limit our selves to

1625
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 8: say that it has to be locked into one thing immigrants.

1626
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 8: As far as I just you know, I don't know

1627
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 8: where people's ideas and concepts come from what things should be.

1628
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:33,480
Speaker 8: My grandfather has sponsored many medical students over here, specifically

1629
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 8: from Kenya to the point where when they had their liberation.

1630
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 8: He said on the dais, with many of the of

1631
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 8: the people up there who actually had helped, we all

1632
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 8: have a recognition back and forth with what needs to

1633
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 8: happen in the Afrodasper. It's not kumbaya. It's never going

1634
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 8: to be that. I know that's an overused term and

1635
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 8: it's not even something that means what they say it means.

1636
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 8: But it's not always going to be cool between everybody

1637
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 8: because allies and resources and say everything. Don't mean that

1638
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 8: you guys have the same hell families don't even think

1639
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 8: the same way all the time. But we need to

1640
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 8: understand that fighting racism requires it requires us to understand

1641
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 8: that action has to be taken.

1642
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 18: And y'all say this.

1643
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 8: I'll leave with LBJ because LBJ put it quiet is

1644
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 8: where we are right now. He said, you know, if

1645
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 8: if you can make the lowest white man think he's

1646
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 8: better than the highest black man, you can pick his

1647
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 8: pocket and you give him somebody to look down upon,

1648
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 8: he will empty his pockets for you. And that is

1649
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 8: the Maga movement. That is the Maga movement.

1650
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: Right before we go real quick, well, when we come back,

1651
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 1: as you mentioned that he thinks Trump is a Russian asset,

1652
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond to that as well. And we

1653
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: got two more calls want to talk to you, Brandon,

1654
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top.

1655
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 5: They our family.

1656
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: So I guess this political blog of branding and taking

1657
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: the calls, and but first we got to check the

1658
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 1: trafficing way out of different cities. When we do that,

1659
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: we'll take more of the phone calls. At eight hundred

1660
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six or

1661
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 1: do that next and Grant Rising family, thanks for starting

1662
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: your week with us, And I'm Gona Taylor. We're going

1663
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: to speak to Professor Manu Mpin, but now we've got

1664
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a plical brog and Brandon.

1665
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 5: We've got two folks.

1666
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: It was just two more calls for your Brandon because

1667
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: we've got Professor Ampin on deck. So you know, as

1668
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: your response to the question the last call mentioned and

1669
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: if you're showing up on the answers, I appreciate it

1670
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: as well. And the call is uh uh, Donald Trump's

1671
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a Russian asset A short response for that.

1672
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 8: I mean, these Epstein files are remarkable in the depths

1673
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 8: that they go into some of the stuff. But I

1674
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 8: think it's absolutely highly possible people forget the Trump was

1675
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 8: surrounded by Russians when he ran. As matter of fact,

1676
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 8: they were renting a floor below him, I think somewhere

1677
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 8: approximately him of where he was living and was a

1678
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 8: Trump Tower at the time.

1679
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 12: It's yeah, it was.

1680
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 8: It's the failure once again in the media they were

1681
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 8: afraid of him. They helped create this Frankenstein by not

1682
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 8: investigating these things and being bold have to say, wait

1683
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 8: a minute, what the what the hell are we doing?

1684
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, there may be the guts

1685
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 8: of this country may be pulled out because of that. Sure,

1686
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 8: all right too.

1687
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: At the top there Monte's checking in for him. He says,

1688
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: the war room in Pentagon City is online too. Montell

1689
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: you a question for Brandon grand Rising.

1690
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 18: My question for you, Brandon was because you answered a

1691
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 18: lot of them with the statements when I was listening.

1692
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 13: So I'll just move forward.

1693
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 18: What's going to be the consequences at the president and

1694
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 18: all the decisions he's making for the country. It seems

1695
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 18: like you do what he wanted to do, and like,

1696
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 18: what do you overall see you know, the overall future

1697
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 18: for us because it seems like you can just do

1698
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 18: what he wanted to do.

1699
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you something real quick, because we had

1700
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 8: we gotta run. But Los Angeles is is it's going

1701
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 8: through something that's that's really powerfully troubling. And I believe

1702
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 8: this is that this is my point of view. We

1703
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 8: have a lot of construction going on, but not everybody

1704
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 8: moving into it. And now they're saying that, Okay, well,

1705
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 8: rent is going down in Los Angeles because we have

1706
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 8: all this construction. But what we saw happening. There's been

1707
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 8: a couple of reports that talked about these private equity

1708
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 8: firms are behind this construction, and they build and they

1709
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 8: take loans against them and they bounce out, and you know,

1710
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 8: private equity firms have taken over and rated companies like Toys,

1711
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 8: r us and and other companies, the one that did

1712
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:34,879
Speaker 8: all the yarn and all that stuff. And in Los Angeles,

1713
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 8: it's kind of something to do with because who's going

1714
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 8: to fill that void when they can't pay back on

1715
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 8: that money they took loans on. How many people are

1716
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 8: going to be in these They're not enough people to

1717
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 8: fill these places. Now, imagine that at a larger idea,

1718
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 8: what we're talking about ideologically, we're talking about by the law.

1719
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 8: We're talking about a functioning civilization, not just not just

1720
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 8: a country, because we represent culture and strength and many

1721
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 8: other things across the world world. What's going to happen

1722
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 8: when there's a retraction? You're going to end up with

1723
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 8: more chaos. And I don't know if Americans are really ready, Carl,

1724
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 8: to face that. I really don't. I think that some

1725
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 8: of the conversations you hear people having are focusing on

1726
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 8: things that they they don't really understand how far this

1727
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,799
Speaker 8: man has gone roughshod over the only guardrails that existed.

1728
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 8: And remember a very corrupt of corresponding conservative part of

1729
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court rule for this to happen.

1730
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 6: We can't.

1731
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because we got another. All right, Dorothy, real quick?

1732
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: Your question for Brandon, Los Angeles Grand Rising, Dorothy.

1733
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 17: Is in the Daily Mail two days ago they had

1734
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 17: an article regarding put talking to Epstein more than a

1735
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:05,879
Speaker 17: thousand in time and also a military person from Israel,

1736
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 17: and they summed it up as bad articles in the

1737
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 17: Daily Mail, London newspaper.

1738
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 8: I actually saw a short blurb on Instagram, and I

1739
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 8: do believe absolutely. Ukraine, you know, Carl, You remember when

1740
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 8: Ukraine first was being attacked, they treated some of the

1741
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 8: few black people they were there as less than okay,

1742
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 8: And even when they were trying to evacuate, they put

1743
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 8: them aside and let white Ukrainians get in front of

1744
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 8: them to leave. And then when they landed, they landed

1745
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 8: in a country in some of these European countries, they

1746
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 8: weren't too kind to them. But even then, and I

1747
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 8: will say this, even then, you needed a buffer between

1748
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 8: what Putin's trying to do and what jure passed to experience.

1749
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 8: And it is a bad idea to let someone who

1750
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 8: was willing to do what he's doing run roughshot. I've

1751
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 8: seen people actually fight for Russians say Russia's never done,

1752
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 8: they never had the Klan. They say the same thing

1753
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 8: about China, China never the clan. Well, you know, all

1754
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 8: of the great civilizations, all these nations have had genofidal turns.

1755
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 8: And right now what we're looking at as a person

1756
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 8: who who props up strong men. And I would ask

1757
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 8: anybody's look Trump's record, a man who makes four billion

1758
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 8: dollars in one year out of the office in a

1759
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 8: profoundly corrupt way, and ask yourself, how could any of that?

1760
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 8: Where's that going to leave anyone landing on anything? As

1761
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 8: we have, you know, raised in our debt, we've been

1762
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 8: raised in the most people being laid off. I think

1763
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 8: since that with it twenty twenty eight car, we've gone

1764
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 8: back to great recession levels of people being fired by employees.

1765
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 8: We're not looking at an easy time here. This is

1766
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 8: what I'm trying to say. Like, when that happens, people,

1767
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 8: very smart people start to do rash things and it

1768
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 8: may not be an easy walk through this. If if

1769
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 8: we if we don't get engaged and remove these people

1770
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 8: from the table of governance.

1771
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the worst is yet to come. So family, you've

1772
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: heard marka Manaheim been telling you this for years, was

1773
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: coming down the pike. So hopefully you know got your

1774
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: bug eye bag and you're ready for it because you

1775
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: know everything he's told us says actually come true. By

1776
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: the way, after Brandon, thank you, thank you, thank you.

1777
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: And uh, folks always asking me how they can get

1778
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 1: in touch of you, So I gotta ask you, how

1779
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: can they get it touching you?

1780
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 8: Because I don't know if they can reach They're not

1781
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 8: gonna be to reach me. The next couple of days,

1782
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be at the Bad Bad Bunny after party.

1783
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be at the after party.

1784
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 5: It's probably still going on.

1785
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 19: That's right, that's right.

1786
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 8: I'm getting my car now, I'll get back. All right, man,

1787
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 8: I'll talk to you now.

1788
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: All right. Thanks, Thanks Brandon. And you know what they mentioned,

1789
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 1: Coco Jones, her rendition to her song.

1790
01:37:58,720 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 5: It was great.

1791
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: They mentioned and also didn't mention the fact that Bad

1792
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: Blooming where they talked about this hate. He mentioned the

1793
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: courte from Martin Luther King. Only love can conquer hate.

1794
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: So let's put a cap on that for a moment

1795
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: and move over to our next guest, the Professor in

1796
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: May New and Pen Professor May New on Pen, Grand Rising,

1797
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,480
Speaker 1: thancts are being so patient.

1798
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 13: With us this morning, Grand Rising and Dan Shining, Brother Carl, Yes, sir.

1799
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, you know, let's talk about black history, a

1800
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: black issuey mouth. The centennial month of Black History, So

1801
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: anything special that we should know about Black History Month, Professor, I'm.

1802
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:40,799
Speaker 13: Pen, Yeah, absolutely, this is as you just mentioned in passing,

1803
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 13: this is a centennial year or the one hundredth year

1804
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 13: of the initial celebration. So in nineteen twenty six the

1805
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 13: celebration began and as Negro History Weak and on the

1806
01:38:55,120 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 13: fiftieth anniversary it became known and popularized as Black History Month.

1807
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 13: But in the centennial or the one hundred year anniversary,

1808
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 13: what's important is to return to the man who's the

1809
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 13: reason for the season, doctor Carter G. Woodson, and his outlook,

1810
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 13: his vision, his goals, and his concerns. And if we did,

1811
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 13: we would clearly recognize this as African Heritage Month, where

1812
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 13: we're not just dealing with the black experience in the US,

1813
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 13: but the Black achievements, accomplishments and contributions around the world.

1814
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 13: So it's important that we elevate our understanding, that we

1815
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 13: grow and learn and connect back to Woodson and see

1816
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 13: this as African Heritage Month. So it's very important time

1817
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 13: for us to shift and move to the next level

1818
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 13: on the one hundredth anniversary, as we did on the

1819
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 13: fiftieth anniversary.

1820
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 5: I got to ask you this.

1821
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I think this is sort of an awareness taking place

1822
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: in the Black community, not just in the Black diaspora

1823
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: for example, on the continent, and here there seems to

1824
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 1: be an awakening. Black people seem you know, we talk,

1825
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: they talk about woke, and the other folks have tried

1826
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 1: to make that a majority. But are you seeing the

1827
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: more awareness from our folks on both sides of the

1828
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean.

1829
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 13: Uh, yes, there's some awareness, but we we're like, we're

1830
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 13: we're rudderless to a large degree. We don't have a

1831
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 13: clear direction. And unfortunately, it's always the case that younger

1832
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 13: people have more energy and more enthusiasm about fundamental change,

1833
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 13: and they learn more often than not from Internet influencers

1834
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 13: and Internet posters. So the Internet, which whether's Instagram or

1835
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 13: TikTok or any other forum, Facebook, YouTube, those are great forums,

1836
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 13: but the prop So it's great that the word gets

1837
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 13: out and people can can x or tweet out what

1838
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 13: they would like to influence people. So that's a great opportunity.

1839
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 13: But the problem is the great opportunity is also the

1840
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 13: greatest problem that anybody could post, and it's some of

1841
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 13: the dumbest ideas imaginable. So for the first time here,

1842
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 13: what I've noticed now is our travel to various countries

1843
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 13: and very student what's happening in the US. But we

1844
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 13: have a distance between elders and older folks and the

1845
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:29,440
Speaker 13: young generations. So even though there's always been generational differences,

1846
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 13: now we have a generational rift where more particularly and pronounced.

1847
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 13: Here in the US, you have young people that don't

1848
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 13: even listen to or consult with older folks, and they

1849
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 13: don't even have respect for them. We can go to

1850
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,759
Speaker 13: different cities and see people being active, they're more awake,

1851
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 13: they're more aware, and it never crossed their mind to

1852
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 13: consult with elders who have been in the trenches, who

1853
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 13: have made important contributions. In fact, they even scoff at them.

1854
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:01,440
Speaker 13: And you'll see crazy statements online I'm not like my ancestors.

1855
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 13: I'm not like such and so, meaning that I will

1856
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 13: rise up against you, because you know, folks in the

1857
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 13: fifties and sixties didn't do anything other than march peacefully

1858
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 13: and get beat down. So it's a problem when people

1859
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 13: have no understanding of history and they're active, but they

1860
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 13: don't understand that their ability to act as based on

1861
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 13: the courage of elders and ancestors of the past. So yeah,

1862
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 13: there's more of an awakening, but it's rudderless. So to

1863
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 13: the extent that we're making progress, we have to question

1864
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 13: that because it's almost like on a treadmill in many

1865
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 13: respects that we're not building from generation to generation. And

1866
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 13: the concern I have as a historian but also someone

1867
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 13: who is rooted in the community, is that people are

1868
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 13: further and further away from those great pioneers who led

1869
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 13: the way, who carried the torch Lachel Woodson, for example.

1870
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 13: Most people don't know anything about Woodson, and those that do,

1871
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 13: their understanding is very surface and superficial and very limited.

1872
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 13: And I'm fortunate enough for the Carl to work at

1873
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 13: Contra Costa College here in northern California, to work with

1874
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 13: and teach young people. So I do have access to

1875
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 13: those that are not like the average young person who

1876
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 13: is totally completely influenced by TikTok trends, and they're not

1877
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 13: really totally engolfed in as some of them are not

1878
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 13: even on social media, believe or not, and they're very young.

1879
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 13: So I do see people that are not just totally

1880
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,560
Speaker 13: engulfed in craziness. But it is a concern that I

1881
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 13: have that there is not enough who see the elders

1882
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 13: as a source of wisdom and direction and correction when needed.

1883
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: At fourteen after that top speaking about miseducational misinformation to

1884
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: getting on the internet, it's just what the reason why

1885
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: Knag Woodson wrote this book, The Miseducation of the Negro.

1886
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: Did he see the same thing on a different level,

1887
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: a different space when he was coming up.

1888
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, for Woodson, he was one of the

1889
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 13: premier historians and educators in the early twentieth century one

1890
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 13: hundred years or so ago. So we wrote The Miseducation

1891
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 13: of the Negro because of his vision, his understanding that

1892
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 13: the same educational system that empowered the white child by

1893
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 13: making them think that they did everything in the world,

1894
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 13: and there was the creation, the phony creation of the

1895
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 13: immaculate conception of Greece out of nowhere, without any anti

1896
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 13: antecedents or anything else, is somehow, some way, without any

1897
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 13: reason whatsoever, the Greeks just arose and became great, not

1898
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 13: looking at the foundation that was provided by them by

1899
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 13: Africans and Timid for example. But Woodson saw that every

1900
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 13: area of learning was to uplift and empower the white child,

1901
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 13: and it made black children feel inferior because in every

1902
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 13: subject the black people are left out from contributions or

1903
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 13: in being involved in it. And Woodson saw what we

1904
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,879
Speaker 13: can still see today. You have to take a special

1905
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 13: Black history or a African American history class, or I

1906
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 13: teach an African civilization's class. You had to take a

1907
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 13: special class to learn anything about black people making any

1908
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 13: contributions to the world. Woodson saw that, and he wrote

1909
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 13: his classic The Miseducation of the Negro, which is penetrating insight,

1910
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,759
Speaker 13: that he wrote in nineteen thirty three. And if anybody

1911
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 13: read The Miseducation, or for many of your listeners, if

1912
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 13: they reread it, it's stunning because you would think he

1913
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 13: wrote it not in nineteen thirty three, but in twenty

1914
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 13: twenty three, because his insights are still relevant today. But

1915
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 13: Woodson didn't stop at the miseducation. He provided the education

1916
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 13: in the way. Then that's where it's a divide. So

1917
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 13: many of us are aware of his classic but the

1918
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,679
Speaker 13: next stage of him educating what we should be learning.

1919
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 13: That's what Woodson was promoting, and that's what he promoted

1920
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 13: up until he passed in nineteen fifty. But unfortunately, in

1921
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 13: the last three quarters of the century, the community black

1922
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 13: folks in the US have consistently moved away from the

1923
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 13: teachings and direction of Woodson. And I don't just be

1924
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 13: in the joeneral public. I'm talking about scholars and others.

1925
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there. We go to

1926
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: step aside for a few moms. When we come back,

1927
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Speaker 1: though this miseducation, as you mentioned, is was it done

1928
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Speaker 1: by accident or was it done by design? I'll let

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Speaker 1: you explain that to us, and I also share with

1930
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Speaker 1: us some of the things that we may not know

1931
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Speaker 1: about doctor Cottage. G Woodson Family YouTube can join our conversation.

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Speaker 1: I guess Professor maynuw and Penn from contract hosta College

1933
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Speaker 1: in New Orlean, California. All you have to do is

1934
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight. We'll take your phone calls next with us

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Speaker 1: on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting a week with

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Speaker 1: us and our guest Professor May new Ampinn from Contracostro

1938
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 1: Colgia at Northern California, discussing Black History.

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Speaker 5: Black History Month.

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Speaker 1: This is the centennial anniversary of Black History Month one

1941
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 1: hundred years ago westarted by doctor Cartage Woodson, and most

1942
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 1: of you known from his book The mis Education of

1943
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Speaker 1: the Negro, that's what we call back then.

1944
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Speaker 5: My question to you was was this mis education?

1945
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 9: Was this?

1946
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Speaker 1: Was this done deliberately, doctor pen or what was this

1947
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: done just by acc they just ignored us and just

1948
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: didn't mention anything about us.

1949
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Speaker 13: It was done deliberately. This miseducation was very important. And

1950
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 13: so the history of the world had been rewritten in

1951
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Speaker 13: the late seventeen hundreds, in early eighteen hundreds out of

1952
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 13: the University of Guttingen in Germany. So there were some

1953
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 13: a group of scholars and scientists who had an agenda.

1954
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 13: And what they did they took ancient history and turned

1955
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:04,599
Speaker 13: it upside down and they created Ariyan history. So over

1956
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 13: the last three hundred years now closer to that, we

1957
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 13: have been learning about white greatness and white contributions, and

1958
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 13: so the curriculums change, stories change, narratives change, and all

1959
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 13: the writings in literature and discussion now became about how

1960
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,600
Speaker 13: great Europe was. And in the school system, this is

1961
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 13: very important because we have to remember the historical context

1962
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 13: that this is during the period of vicious Jim Crow

1963
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 13: racial segregation in the US, where black people were seen

1964
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 13: as less than and this was also the heyday of lynching,

1965
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 13: and so public lynching was an American spectacle to keep

1966
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 13: black people in their place, and to do that was

1967
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 13: to make sure to instill fear, but also to make

1968
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 13: sure that there was nothing in our historical experience that

1969
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 13: anybody would want to remember. So to leave materials out

1970
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 13: of any kind of educational textbooks were important. Plus there

1971
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 13: was a systematic exploitation by making sure there was no

1972
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 13: resources for black schools. And how you're going to learn

1973
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 13: in a school building, a schoolhouse that doesn't have heating

1974
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 13: in the winter, How you going to learn when there's

1975
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 13: no resources for many textbooks? So nobody could give homework

1976
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 13: because the students didn't have textbooks. How is somebody even

1977
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 13: going to teach the children when there's not a livable wage.

1978
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 13: This was very This was very clear strategy to make

1979
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 13: sure that black people had no opportunity to learn about

1980
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 13: themselves or even learn very much. And it stems from

1981
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 13: the laws in slavery that it was totally illegal to

1982
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 13: teach someone how to read and write. So if anybody

1983
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 13: was caught teaching what they would call letters, then that

1984
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 13: person would be publicly beaten. And you do it again,

1985
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 13: you're going to lose a finger. But it was always

1986
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 13: legal to keep black people from learning and reading and writing,

1987
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 13: and so Woodson addressed this in a comprehensive manner. So

1988
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 13: this is why The Miseducation of the Negro became such

1989
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 13: a critical book. But as an educator and an activist,

1990
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 13: he went beyond that. That's why before The Miseducation he

1991
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 13: wrote The Negro in Our History that was a decade earlier.

1992
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 13: And in the book Woodson, of course he starts with

1993
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 13: Africa to indicate our African origin, our African identity, and

1994
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 13: African contributions, and then he looks at our experience here

1995
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 13: in the US. But his book The Negro in Our

1996
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 13: History that was published in nineteen twenty two, a decade

1997
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 13: before mis education. That was a standard book on teaching

1998
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 13: and learning about the experience of black people.

1999
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 14: It was a.

2000
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Speaker 13: Standard textbook for decades. Yes, for many decades, that was

2001
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 13: a standard book before John O. Franken wrote From Slavery

2002
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 13: to Freedom some years later. But that book should be

2003
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 13: in every library because then the people would understand abroad.

2004
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 13: Thinking of Woodson embracing Africa, but also making sure that

2005
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 13: we understood our experience here in the US, within the

2006
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 13: context of struggling against a vicious racist system that was

2007
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 13: designed to make sure that we didn't learn anything about ourselves. So,

2008
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 13: just in case the listeners are not aware, what did

2009
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 13: Woodson say in the Miseducation? He said, if you control

2010
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 13: a man's thinking, you do not have to worry about

2011
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 13: his action. When you determine what a man shall think,

2012
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 13: you do not have to concern yourself about what he

2013
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 13: will do. If you make a man feel he's inferior,

2014
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,560
Speaker 13: you do not have to compel him to accept his

2015
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 13: inferior status, or he will seek it himself. Wow. And

2016
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 13: so Woodson said that if there's no back door, this

2017
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 13: miseducated black person will create a back door. For his

2018
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 13: own special benefit because he's used to going in the

2019
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 13: back door and being second class and secondary in every respect.

2020
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 13: And this is why he focused as a great educator

2021
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 13: on the education. But he had to point out the

2022
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 13: miseducation and why black people were in a quag buyer.

2023
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 13: They were in quicksand at the time fighting against a

2024
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,919
Speaker 13: vicious system to make sure that black people never asserted

2025
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 13: our liberation.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up the right there at least checking

2027
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Speaker 1: anyone's to have a conversation with Mesity. He's online one

2028
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Speaker 1: he's called from Baltimore, Grand Rising league, you only professor Main.

2029
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Speaker 20: New MPN Well, Grand Rising, and I want to thank

2030
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 20: you again Carl for all that you do, and I

2031
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 20: thank you for the professor that is on. And it's

2032
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 20: more of a comment I read than this education of

2033
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 20: the Negro back in the sixties. And it was apropos

2034
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 20: then and it's apropos today. And then I think of

2035
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 20: it's I'm gonna do hum about bos who in nineteen

2036
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 20: sixty at the conference said when an elder dies, a

2037
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:06,719
Speaker 20: library burns. So it's very important that we teach our children,

2038
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 20: our young people the history that we have. And two

2039
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 20: more things on YouTube is the history of the Moors,

2040
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:22,560
Speaker 20: and it goes in depth about Africa and the different empires,

2041
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 20: including Mali, and how we have evolved so so much.

2042
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 20: My last thing is, because of all that's going on today,

2043
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 20: we must, as elders, as seniors, as even young people

2044
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,600
Speaker 20: in their twenties, get at least five or ten people and.

2045
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 11: Have them registered to vote.

2046
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 8: So we put a.

2047
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 20: Mass lit on that so things can change, even though

2048
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 20: I know a lot of people don't want to vote,

2049
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 20: but we fought and died for that. But I thank

2050
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 20: you for listening, and I pray that you continuously teach

2051
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 20: because that's what we should all be about. And sometimes

2052
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 20: we always want to wait for a leader. No, we

2053
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 20: are the majority of one that needs to need whenever

2054
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 20: we are with But thank you again, and I am.

2055
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 8: Continuing to listen and to learn.

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Speaker 21: As Carl Oilwik says.

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Speaker 13: All right, thanks Lee, professor, you said, yeah, I appreciate it. So, yes,

2058
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 13: you know, reading Cartagie Woodson is very important, and yes

2059
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 13: we have to activate people. We must expand our understanding

2060
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 13: as well. So for example, I'll tell people something that

2061
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 13: really to understand Woodson. Woodson will needed he knows what

2062
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 13: that Black people needed to understand our experience and need

2063
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 13: to be empowered, and so he encouraged the Omega Phi

2064
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 13: Scie fraternity, his fraternity, to put on a celebration of

2065
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 13: Black achievements. So actually the first one, the first effort,

2066
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 13: was in not nineteen twenty six, but two years earlier,

2067
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 13: in nineteen twenty four, there was the Negro History and

2068
01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 13: Literature Week, and but Woodson was not concerned about the

2069
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 13: impact of the Negro History and Literature Week, and so

2070
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 13: because he was not satisfied with that, in nineteen twenty

2071
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 13: four he founded his organization, which is now the Association

2072
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 13: for the Study of African American Life and History. And

2073
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 13: that's why he eventually, well, he founded the organization, but

2074
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 13: eventually two years after that first one, in twenty four,

2075
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 13: he founded What people didn't do was nineteen twenty six

2076
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 13: Negro History Week. And so it's important to know Woodson's

2077
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 13: overall arching view that he was a stickler. He didn't

2078
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 13: he criticized many of the celebrations. He didn't think that

2079
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 13: they were effective. And one of the things that really

2080
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 13: concerned Woodson is to focus on negative things during the celebration.

2081
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 13: And so because you said, look, the focus was to

2082
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 13: deal with Black achievements, accomplishments, and contributions and not always

2083
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 13: associate Black people for what a problem. So during February

2084
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 13: people will have an event so called Black Houstreon Month event,

2085
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 13: and their focus is on black struggle, struggle for Black studies,

2086
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 13: struggle against the Trump administration. Where's the humanity? Even before that,

2087
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,880
Speaker 13: where we talked the world and Woodson consistently focused on that.

2088
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 13: So yes, looking at the African experience, the moors, all

2089
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 13: of the groups. Woodson wrote specifically and consistently about West

2090
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 13: African contributions and earlier East African contributions, starting with Ethiopia.

2091
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 13: Now we call it cush, but he writes about Ethiopia,

2092
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 13: writes about Kim on a regular basis. And this is

2093
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 13: pretty much scrubbed from the records by scholars, biographers, people

2094
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 13: written about the Black history movement. Where is Woodson's focus

2095
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 13: on African civilizations even in his organization. They've completely abandoned

2096
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 13: Woodson's mission of making sure that we separated ourselves from Africa.

2097
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 13: What about his classic work, not as popular as Miseducation,

2098
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 13: but he's focused on the education of black people. But

2099
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 13: one of his key books is The African Background Outlined,

2100
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 13: and that was in nineteen thirty six, and then African

2101
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 13: Heroes and Heroines. In fact, these are the two last

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Speaker 13: books written by Woodson. His last two books written about

2103
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 13: Africans making contributions in the world. He's not focused just

2104
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 13: on the experience here, but he's not in the US.

2105
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 13: But he also is not focused on problems. That was

2106
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 13: one of his biggest things that we had to assert

2107
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 13: our humanity and indicate our contributions and our value in

2108
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 13: the world, and not just associate black people every time

2109
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 13: we're brought up by outsiders, by the producer, or by

2110
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 13: ourselves as a problem. And this has been scrubbed literally

2111
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Speaker 13: from the record. Oh, by the way, and folks in

2112
01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 13: the Baltimore area, sorry Maryland in general, you can get

2113
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 13: the African Background Outline and African Heroes and Heroines from

2114
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 13: none other than Black Classic Press. Order your copy today

2115
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 13: of these classic works, and then people will understand that, yes,

2116
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 13: it was very important for us to understand the significance

2117
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 13: of the Miseducation of the Negro. As I mentioned earlier,

2118
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 13: it has great value today, but the stop there is limited,

2119
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 13: and the stop there is only a small part of

2120
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:33,160
Speaker 13: the work of Woodson. What about its discussion on Africa

2121
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 13: that is literally gone. What about the Journal of what

2122
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 13: is now called the Journal of African American Histories, the

2123
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 13: leading journal on black experience in the US founded by Woodson,

2124
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 13: and that journal in nineteen sixteen. In the very first

2125
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:52,800
Speaker 13: issue there were several articles dealing again with Africa, and

2126
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 13: so the Journal of what is now called African American History.

2127
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 13: Then there was a Journal of Negro History, and the

2128
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 13: Bulletins now it's called the Black Bulletin. This was founded

2129
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 13: by Woodson because he wanted to have a specialized publication

2130
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 13: for teachers so that they would have lesson plans and

2131
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 13: other content in the classroom. And it's amazing that in

2132
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 13: the Bulletin, the very first issue, page six, there's a

2133
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 13: huge picture of Africa in the middle of that page

2134
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 13: along with a column on Africa. So you look at

2135
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 13: his books, the Journal, the first issue of the Journal,

2136
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 13: and all the way through his lifetime, and the first

2137
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 13: issue of the Bulletin, and all the way through his

2138
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 13: lifetime focused on Africa. So that's the next stage is

2139
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 13: to go from the miseducation to now the education by

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Speaker 13: getting the works of Woodson and understanding his vision a

2141
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 13: brother called the foundation of what we need to know

2142
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 13: has to be revised. If I actually the average person,

2143
01:59:56,000 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 13: why did Woodson start what we now call what people

2144
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Speaker 13: call it Black History Month, which is problematic? And I'll

2145
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 13: say why, but African Heritage Month, They'll say it was

2146
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:11,720
Speaker 13: the second week in February because it's the birthdays. That

2147
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 13: was the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln on February twelfth, and

2148
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 13: then Frederick Douglas on February fourteenth. And Black people were

2149
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 13: already gearing around celebrating their birthdays in that second week

2150
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 13: in February, and that's why Wilson chose that time period

2151
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 13: rather than reinvent the focus of our energy. The problem

2152
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 13: is that Frederick Douglas did not know when he was born,

2153
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:40,520
Speaker 13: so February fourteenth is a myth. Frederick Douglas writes very

2154
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 13: clearly that he didn't know when he was born. Anybody

2155
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 13: listening that knows about their family history will know that

2156
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,200
Speaker 13: black people did not keep that kind of specific information

2157
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 13: and when anybody wanted to, if they identified when they

2158
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 13: were born in summertime, wintertime, or harvest time, and you

2159
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:01,360
Speaker 13: wouldn't know any details other than that. And when Frederick

2160
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 13: Douglas tried to find out when he was born. He

2161
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,680
Speaker 13: said he didn't know. He said he never met any

2162
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 13: enslaved African in Maryland that had any real accuracy when

2163
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 13: they were born, So he said, well, he didn't know,

2164
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Speaker 13: but he may have been born around February of eighteen seventeen.

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Speaker 13: After much thinking and investigating this, he said that the

2166
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Speaker 13: slave owners would never answer me.

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Speaker 22: No matter how you shop, your local giant has the

2168
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Speaker 22: fresh flavors you love for less. Wow, we just look

2169
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 22: at these low prices, stock up on your favorites and say, oh, okay, good.

2170
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Speaker 13: So anyway, Douglas said that nobody ever knew when their

2171
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:45,720
Speaker 13: birthday was. He could only guess that maybe February of

2172
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 13: eighteen seventeen, but the slave owner wrote eighteen eighteen, so

2173
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:52,600
Speaker 13: he didn't know. But one thing about it is that

2174
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 13: Douglas said that if anybody asked about when was their birthday,

2175
02:01:57,640 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 13: the vicious slave owner would see it as a trip.

2176
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 13: Your question was it doesn't matter because you're not important,

2177
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 13: so we're not going to talk to you about your birthday.

2178
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 13: You don't really have any humanity. And this is what

2179
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 13: Douglas describes. So nobody knew when their birthday was, So

2180
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 13: what did February fourteenth come from? It was a passing

2181
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 13: statement he made at some point that his mother, who

2182
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 13: he only saw a few times in his life, he

2183
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 13: never met his father. He figured it was the white

2184
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:26,960
Speaker 13: slave owner himself. But Douglas wrote that his mother had

2185
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 13: mentioned that he was her Valentine baby, and so based

2186
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 13: on that, he just chose a date he didn't know

2187
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 13: and nobody knew, and so people now run with that

2188
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 13: is if it's an actual birth date, and it's not.

2189
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 13: No one the official records by the vicious slave owner

2190
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:47,720
Speaker 13: who put down birthdates. You can see the records. It

2191
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 13: actually says eighteen eighteen. He said he didn't know, maybe

2192
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 13: eighteen seventeen. But the point is that if people don't

2193
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Speaker 13: even know the birthdate of one of the great activists

2194
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 13: in the eighteen hundreds, of Douglas, it just shows that

2195
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:05,840
Speaker 13: a lot of information is wrong, is unknown, and people

2196
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 13: ever run with it. And the biggest unknown is the

2197
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 13: work of Woodsiton as he's focused on elevating black people.

2198
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 13: So the miseducation is a foundational work and is but

2199
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Speaker 13: the work building on that.

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Speaker 1: But I hold that thought right there, professor, we got

2201
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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few months and we come back.

2202
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:24,840
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thoughts. We got some folks

2203
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 1: want to talk to you or twenty three minutes away

2204
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 1: from the top they let me just also add that

2205
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,360
Speaker 1: one of Frederick Douglas's relatives, Terrence Bayle, is going to

2206
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 1: join us. I think it's gonna join us tomorrow, so

2207
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,480
Speaker 1: as we continue to celebrate Black History Month. But you

2208
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: know we celebrate Black History around twenty four to seven

2209
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Speaker 1: on this program. What are your thoughts, folks, you want

2210
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 1: to get in on this discussion with Professor Maynu one pin,

2211
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

2213
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:50,880
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your

2214
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:52,880
Speaker 1: week with us. Nineteen minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 1: the Aye with Professor may and new and Pen. Before

2216
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 1: we go back to the let me just remind you

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Speaker 1: coming up later this week, we're going to hear from

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Speaker 1: Meta position on master Herbalist at doctor b Also Grill

2219
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:06,440
Speaker 1: Baba Lamomba will be here educated doctor tyrean writer. It's

2220
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 1: done a lot of research on Booker T.

2221
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Speaker 5: Washington.

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Speaker 1: We'll also check in and also quans of creator. Doctor

2223
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,480
Speaker 1: Milana Kringle will be here. So if you are in Baltimore,

2224
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 1: make sure you keep you rated a lot to real

2225
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in the

2226
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 1: DMV area, we're on fourteen fifty WL. So Professor, I'm

2227
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna let you finish your thought. Then we got some

2228
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:24,080
Speaker 1: folks got questions for you.

2229
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Speaker 13: Okay, well just really briefly, let me just say that

2230
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 13: the reason why there was a shift in nineteen seventy

2231
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:37,080
Speaker 13: six there was a need to expand the focus Woodson

2232
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 13: had as his vision. There needed to be an entire

2233
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 13: year of celebrating black greatness, but it was expanded to

2234
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:48,560
Speaker 13: a month, from a week to a month in nineteen

2235
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 13: seventy six, and then the word Negro was not being

2236
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 13: used and changed to Black History Month. The reason why

2237
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:58,840
Speaker 13: there's a need for a shift now is because what

2238
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 13: is referred to Black History Month events there's no guidelines,

2239
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 13: there's no parameters, there's no expectations, So anything can be

2240
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Speaker 13: a Black History Month event, including one at UC Berkeley

2241
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:16,360
Speaker 13: here a few years ago, where there was an event

2242
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 13: because some African American guy apparently had success of getting

2243
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 13: some white nationalists out of the KKK. So that became

2244
02:05:25,480 --> 02:05:28,600
Speaker 13: the event and they posted it on our campus website.

2245
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,120
Speaker 13: I told them take that down immediately. We don't support

2246
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 13: this kind of nonsense and negativity. You don't associate no

2247
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:39,880
Speaker 13: clan with my humanity, then the humanity of African people.

2248
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:44,680
Speaker 13: And you know, then you have a nightclub discounting liquor

2249
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:49,320
Speaker 13: in Booze as a Black History Month celebration. So there's

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Speaker 13: no guidelines, there's no parameter. Everything's called Black History Month

2251
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:58,000
Speaker 13: and the usual the lasting, the usual events are this way.

2252
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:03,720
Speaker 13: They will have entertained and given out awards and food

2253
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,480
Speaker 13: and then oh, by the way, we need a speaker,

2254
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 13: so then they'll call me or someone else and then

2255
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Speaker 13: they want to give how much time? Ten minutes because

2256
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 13: it's an afterthought, it's not important. And so that's the

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02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:17,520
Speaker 13: average Black History Month event. Or if they don't have

2258
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:19,880
Speaker 13: a speaker, then it's they call it the right thing.

2259
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 13: They have nothing but trivia and that's it. That's what

2260
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 13: gets presented, trivial information. But it's really about, as I said,

2261
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 13: awards and food and entertainment, and that's what the average

2262
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:36,680
Speaker 13: Black History Month event is about. Now, the listeners who

2263
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 13: may not be aware of this, maybe they're having positive

2264
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:44,560
Speaker 13: events by contended. An event here in northern California was

2265
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:49,200
Speaker 13: excellently done by one of the sororities and it was

2266
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 13: entitled Black Brilliance Illuminating the Path Forward and what a

2267
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 13: great African centered positive event, and they gave me forty minutes.

2268
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 13: This is unusual, but most times you don't have that

2269
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 13: kind of event. So this is why it's a need

2270
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 13: for a shift on the one hundredth anniversary and to

2271
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 13: embrace Woodson in the way Woodson was pointing. And unless

2272
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:15,680
Speaker 13: people are reading Woodson, they won't know these things because

2273
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 13: it's so common now to have any old Mickey Mouse

2274
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,440
Speaker 13: event and then slap the label of a Black History

2275
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 13: Month event on there. So there's no way to separate

2276
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 13: the few positive events from the majority of very superficiary

2277
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:31,440
Speaker 13: events that do nothing to move the race forward.

2278
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just say, my brothers and sisters having

2279
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Speaker 1: a discount on booze and calling it a Black History

2280
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:42,000
Speaker 1: Month event. Wow, people, my people, my people. Fifteen away

2281
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:44,320
Speaker 1: from the top there Jr's in Ohio. He has a

2282
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,680
Speaker 1: question for your grand rising sister Jr. With Professor Mainhu

2283
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Speaker 1: MPM Rising and.

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Speaker 23: Thanks for taking my call and Elder is interesting to

2285
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:57,280
Speaker 23: say that too. This is not what my question and

2286
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 23: concern is. But you're mentioning that in the Who's thing.

2287
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:03,919
Speaker 23: It reminds me of a Now I have some problems

2288
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 23: with the cartoon, the boon doc and its creator. I

2289
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 23: can't think of that boy's name, that brother's name, Aaron,

2290
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:13,640
Speaker 23: whatever his name is. But the point that he was

2291
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 23: making with that episode about doctor King that caught so

2292
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:22,120
Speaker 23: much flack, that was exactly it in the satirical since

2293
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:24,400
Speaker 23: and I mean that's been what nearly twenty years ago,

2294
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:26,960
Speaker 23: But the point was they were putting on parties in

2295
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 23: the episode about that's how the King Day party is it?

2296
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:33,760
Speaker 23: And visit and do and it was the same concept.

2297
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:34,960
Speaker 8: That's just interesting.

2298
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Speaker 23: But what I wanted to mention is, Okay, how you

2299
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:44,560
Speaker 23: talked about, you know, with your being a professor and

2300
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,720
Speaker 23: so you have often, I mean all the time, these

2301
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:52,560
Speaker 23: connections with young people, and like you said, it sounds

2302
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 23: like if I heard you right, some of the ones

2303
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 23: that you're working with, though they are sometimes they're often

2304
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:02,120
Speaker 23: the exceptions versus what a lot of the you know,

2305
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 23: general populist maybe into or get their information from. If

2306
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:13,160
Speaker 23: I understood you correctly. So with that in mind, thinking

2307
02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 23: about this in a practical thing, because I mean we

2308
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:18,280
Speaker 23: you know, a lot of times people want to think

2309
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:22,000
Speaker 23: in the big, big, overall thoughts, but those of us

2310
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:27,360
Speaker 23: who are everyday folks practically, you know, thinking about what

2311
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:30,560
Speaker 23: we have done and what we can do in the

2312
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:37,040
Speaker 23: future to kind of bridge that gap of the younger

2313
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:41,520
Speaker 23: folks coming up being so disconnected and like you said,

2314
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:48,160
Speaker 23: generally not concerned with eldership and what elders may have

2315
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 23: to offer. And I'm just going to pose this and

2316
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 23: then I guess when I'm hung up, you can say

2317
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:58,560
Speaker 23: anything further about it. But for me, the practical stuff

2318
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:02,880
Speaker 23: about that is it's us now. I'm gen x as well.

2319
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:05,760
Speaker 23: I'm in the genet camp, and because I was a

2320
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 23: young mom, my children are millennials.

2321
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 18: But what I see is.

2322
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 23: Us and the boomers is too. A lot of us

2323
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:18,120
Speaker 23: weren't passing down these very ideas. This is why you

2324
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:20,720
Speaker 23: get the children that don't go visit they're folks in

2325
02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 23: the nursing home. It's why they say things like, well,

2326
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 23: I just remember folks how they were. I don't go

2327
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 23: to funerals. And for me, all of these things are

2328
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 23: part of what you're speaking about the African heritage of us,

2329
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,840
Speaker 23: and so I would like to know if you have

2330
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 23: any commentary about the fact that we've been missing getting

2331
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 23: them to even understand the importance of our elders as

2332
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 23: we were rearing them. And so that's what happens once

2333
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 23: they've come of age. Now they don't really see the

2334
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,600
Speaker 23: eldership there's something of value and that they can actually

2335
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:02,200
Speaker 23: learn from. So that that's in a nutshell, that's a

2336
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:06,160
Speaker 23: very very simplification. But I would be curious to hear

2337
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 23: your thoughts on that and then that we should be

2338
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:12,360
Speaker 23: focusing on trying to bring that back in the younger

2339
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:15,800
Speaker 23: babies that are being weird right now.

2340
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:17,880
Speaker 5: All right, thank you?

2341
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:21,600
Speaker 13: Okay, great comments, Yeah, great comments. And you're right, you

2342
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:26,800
Speaker 13: did accurately summarize what I was sharing about young people

2343
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 13: that I happen to teach that they are definitely in

2344
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:32,400
Speaker 13: the great minority. But one of the problems that we

2345
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,839
Speaker 13: have now in a separation of generations in this unique

2346
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:40,440
Speaker 13: manner that has never happened before, not that there hasn't

2347
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:43,800
Speaker 13: been differences, but the differences don't mean conflict. This means

2348
02:11:43,880 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 13: a different point of view on certain things, but we've lost,

2349
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:52,600
Speaker 13: we've experienced a breakup of the family and the breakup

2350
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 13: of the community. One thing we can point to back

2351
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Speaker 13: in nineteen sixty nine when Ronald Reagan, the Conservative hero,

2352
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 13: when Ronald Reagan, when he was the governor of California,

2353
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:09,800
Speaker 13: he passed the Family Law Act of nineteen sixty nine

2354
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 13: that went into effect the very next year, and that

2355
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:16,400
Speaker 13: was the first time in California became the first state

2356
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 13: in the country that had not only the Family Law Act,

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02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:21,600
Speaker 13: but the most critical part of it was the no

2358
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:26,080
Speaker 13: fault Divorce Bill. The no fault Divorce Bill, so people

2359
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:29,840
Speaker 13: can now divorce without having the proven court that the

2360
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:33,080
Speaker 13: other party was at fault that they did something wrong.

2361
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:36,680
Speaker 13: Now at that point you can then just divorce in

2362
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 13: the new law because of irreconcilable differences. And when we

2363
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:44,000
Speaker 13: look at the census in nineteen eighty, it was a

2364
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:48,960
Speaker 13: shocking revelation that the family had broken up big time,

2365
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:51,120
Speaker 13: not only in the black community but in the country

2366
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:54,040
Speaker 13: in general. As more and more states were adopted so

2367
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:57,040
Speaker 13: now you know, adopted a no fault divorce bill. So

2368
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:01,280
Speaker 13: that's one of the things. And then with the implementation

2369
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:06,440
Speaker 13: and creation of welfare and women having to receive these

2370
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:09,640
Speaker 13: the grant and government aid with no men in the family,

2371
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:12,840
Speaker 13: the family broke up, the community broke up. So now

2372
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:15,600
Speaker 13: what we used to have around the country is these

2373
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 13: tight knit communities. No, not anymore. We may have people

2374
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 13: that live nearby, but they're not We don't have a

2375
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,040
Speaker 13: community as we had in the past. And in that respect,

2376
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 13: so the single parents and others, they're not now. So

2377
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:31,520
Speaker 13: we have whole lineages that people don't even know. They

2378
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,760
Speaker 13: don't know the father's lineage or something like that, and

2379
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 13: so now we've lost those connections. And this is ubiquitous

2380
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 13: across the country that we have intergenerational splits and conflict.

2381
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 13: So this is part of the problem. So the parents

2382
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 13: are not teaching about their parents and parents report. When

2383
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:55,520
Speaker 13: I grew up, I saw on the wall. I saw

2384
02:13:55,600 --> 02:14:01,440
Speaker 13: literally on the wall for generations of ancestors. I didn't

2385
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:03,240
Speaker 13: know them, so I had to ask my mother asked

2386
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:05,840
Speaker 13: my father asked my parents about it. So there was

2387
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 13: a connection because I could see their images and I

2388
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:11,880
Speaker 13: knew their names. But that's gone to a very large degree.

2389
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:14,040
Speaker 13: People are just struggling to get by day to day.

2390
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:17,600
Speaker 13: So this certainly has helped pause the Great Riff, So

2391
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:20,080
Speaker 13: we really need and just because somebody gives birth, they

2392
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 13: don't really make them a real parent. They're just a

2393
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:27,000
Speaker 13: biological progenitor. They're not a parent who's raising the children.

2394
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:29,520
Speaker 13: And the fact is people need to know and we've

2395
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 13: discussed this so in this program before. The slavery did

2396
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,560
Speaker 13: not break up the family. That's so Willie Lynch myth.

2397
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 13: That's a hoax that it didn't happen. What slavery did,

2398
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,720
Speaker 13: it attacked the family. But people have to understand the

2399
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:45,040
Speaker 13: African social system of sharing and caring. And even if

2400
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:47,920
Speaker 13: the mother was taken out of the family, or if

2401
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 13: the father was taken out of the family and sold

2402
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:53,480
Speaker 13: doing slavery, we didn't have a nuclear family concept. So

2403
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 13: if the father was sold off, then another male or

2404
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:00,560
Speaker 13: a group of males would step in and play the

2405
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 13: role of father, or if the mother was sold off,

2406
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:07,600
Speaker 13: the women would step in and play the role of mother.

2407
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:10,680
Speaker 13: So we had the system of sharing and caring which

2408
02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:13,560
Speaker 13: was fundamentally part of the African traditional culture, and that

2409
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:17,000
Speaker 13: survived well into the twentieth century. Even with the black

2410
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:20,880
Speaker 13: migrations migrating out here to California, we still had a

2411
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:25,040
Speaker 13: tight knit community in California, in the Fillmore district. I remember,

2412
02:15:25,480 --> 02:15:28,840
Speaker 13: so if we went that so when my mom and dad,

2413
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,520
Speaker 13: when they went to work, the neighbor watched us. We

2414
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:33,760
Speaker 13: were very young, and then we had to stay in

2415
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:35,400
Speaker 13: order because there was mister Wilson.

2416
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:36,760
Speaker 21: We would go and get to.

2417
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:40,240
Speaker 13: Meet for mister Wilson. Mister Perry and his ice cream

2418
02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:42,400
Speaker 13: shop was on the corner. He would discipline us, but

2419
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:46,040
Speaker 13: we had a community. I remember my tooth was my

2420
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 13: tooth was halfway hanging out. My father couldn't get it out,

2421
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:51,440
Speaker 13: so he went up the street to Uncle Chu Chu.

2422
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 13: I didn't know until later that Uncle Chu Chu was

2423
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 13: not a real biological uncle, but he played the role

2424
02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:01,120
Speaker 13: of an uncle. So those days gone, and this is

2425
02:16:01,200 --> 02:16:04,600
Speaker 13: why we struggle and now we have this interegac generational

2426
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:08,720
Speaker 13: conflict that's very difficult to bring back because with social

2427
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:11,720
Speaker 13: media you now have more young people learning from each other,

2428
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:16,000
Speaker 13: and the ignorance is profound. It's the dumbest thing. So

2429
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:19,520
Speaker 13: that's why it's a problem. When anybody can post, that's

2430
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:22,840
Speaker 13: that's a great opportunity to teach and learn. You can post,

2431
02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:25,480
Speaker 13: but that's also a great problem and it splits us

2432
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:28,800
Speaker 13: further and further apart when young people only learn from

2433
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 13: other young people and not the elders and ancestors.

2434
02:16:32,520 --> 02:16:34,280
Speaker 1: Got you sticks away from the top of al They's

2435
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 1: taking on a call for you. Mike's calling from DC's

2436
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:40,359
Speaker 1: online three Grand Rise and Mike here on with Professor

2437
02:16:40,480 --> 02:16:41,560
Speaker 1: man Lampion.

2438
02:16:42,720 --> 02:16:45,520
Speaker 12: So Grandbag and ops the call and mister Kevils and

2439
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:47,640
Speaker 12: Professor I just want to say that just listening to

2440
02:16:47,720 --> 02:16:50,959
Speaker 12: the show African History and being an educator in DC,

2441
02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:54,240
Speaker 12: I'm so happy that a lot of our young people

2442
02:16:54,600 --> 02:16:57,600
Speaker 12: people are not recognized. Our university specs used a busting

2443
02:16:57,640 --> 02:16:59,959
Speaker 12: at the sinks actually busted out. We don't have enough

2444
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:02,080
Speaker 12: for them to put these kids in. They're putting them

2445
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:04,920
Speaker 12: in hotels and stuff like that. So the enrollments are really,

2446
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:08,200
Speaker 12: really large. So I think they are caught with the

2447
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 12: lies and his story and all that kind of stuff,

2448
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:14,960
Speaker 12: and they're not as dumb as we think they are. So,

2449
02:17:15,520 --> 02:17:18,040
Speaker 12: you know, the institution, then dowments are coming back in

2450
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:22,000
Speaker 12: into the university, the HBCUs and stuff like that. People

2451
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:25,080
Speaker 12: just see a big, big interest in going to them.

2452
02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:26,760
Speaker 12: So that's all I'm about to say. So I'm really

2453
02:17:26,760 --> 02:17:27,400
Speaker 12: happy about that.

2454
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 5: All right, I'm professor Apion. Are you seeing that on

2455
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:31,240
Speaker 5: your campus?

2456
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:33,400
Speaker 2: Uh?

2457
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,160
Speaker 13: Which particular part that the enrollment.

2458
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,520
Speaker 5: Or being roman?

2459
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:39,960
Speaker 14: Uh?

2460
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,280
Speaker 13: The enrollment is creeping back up, but it took a

2461
02:17:42,320 --> 02:17:46,280
Speaker 13: big hit during COVID. Numbers dropped dramatically in fall of

2462
02:17:46,360 --> 02:17:50,480
Speaker 13: twenty twenty and because everybody had to go remote, and

2463
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:53,920
Speaker 13: so enrollment is creeping up slowly. But the problem now

2464
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:57,560
Speaker 13: is that there's budget deficits because the enrollment is not

2465
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 13: where it needs to be. And uh, so's a big

2466
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:03,640
Speaker 13: time problem all the way around. But one thing I

2467
02:18:03,640 --> 02:18:07,640
Speaker 13: would say to being an alumnus of Morgan State University.

2468
02:18:07,720 --> 02:18:10,400
Speaker 13: I was at Morgan State from nineteen eighty four to

2469
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:16,560
Speaker 13: eighty nine, and what I noticed is that most of

2470
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:19,200
Speaker 13: the brothers and sisters were part of the problem that

2471
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:23,440
Speaker 13: Woodson pointed out. They were miseducated. We for example, I

2472
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:28,000
Speaker 13: led a campaign to make African history a requirement. I said,

2473
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:32,000
Speaker 13: how could anybody matriculate at historically black college, which is

2474
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:35,600
Speaker 13: ninety percent black students, and not at least take one

2475
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:40,320
Speaker 13: class to learn about their history before slavery. We had

2476
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:43,520
Speaker 13: to fight the president of the campus and other departments

2477
02:18:43,560 --> 02:18:46,440
Speaker 13: who didn't want an extra class in the history department

2478
02:18:46,480 --> 02:18:48,480
Speaker 13: because they figured, well, they can then hire another full

2479
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:50,720
Speaker 13: time person. I said, I don't care about that. We

2480
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:55,560
Speaker 13: don't care what department benefits. We pay your salary and

2481
02:18:55,720 --> 02:18:58,720
Speaker 13: we demand at least one class. And when I started

2482
02:18:58,760 --> 02:19:02,720
Speaker 13: the campaign at Morgan State, I'm sure listeners will find

2483
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:07,119
Speaker 13: this interesting. At UNBC, brother Na T and sister Tabia,

2484
02:19:07,520 --> 02:19:10,680
Speaker 13: who founded Everyone's Place, we hooked up. It's before they

2485
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 13: even had Everyone's Place on North Avenue, and so we

2486
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:16,040
Speaker 13: were working together because we had the same goal to

2487
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,120
Speaker 13: make one class or requirement. Then we found out in

2488
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:23,240
Speaker 13: the midst of our efforts, which started in nineteen eighty five,

2489
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 13: is that at Howard University, same thing they did not happen.

2490
02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:29,360
Speaker 1: A love story, a story there. I love to hear

2491
02:19:29,400 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 1: this story because it's localized. I want to hear what

2492
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:33,400
Speaker 1: happened at Howard. But we got to step aside for

2493
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:35,879
Speaker 1: a few moments so our stations can identify themselves down

2494
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:38,640
Speaker 1: the line. Per the FCC's three minutes away from the top,

2495
02:19:38,720 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 1: they our family. I guess she's professor May ten. We're

2496
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:44,320
Speaker 1: discussing Black History Month. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred

2497
02:19:44,400 --> 02:19:47,160
Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six will get

2498
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:49,200
Speaker 1: you in and we'll take your phone calls next. Thank

2499
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:51,200
Speaker 1: grand Rising family in facts are staying with us on

2500
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:53,120
Speaker 1: this Monday morning, and thank you for starting your week

2501
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:55,920
Speaker 1: with us. I guess this Professor Manu and Pin from

2502
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:59,360
Speaker 1: Contracts College in Northern California's tell us about the fight

2503
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:03,119
Speaker 1: to get black studies on some of the HBCU campus.

2504
02:20:03,160 --> 02:20:04,760
Speaker 1: And you started with Morgan State, and you're about to

2505
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:06,959
Speaker 1: tell us what's going on at Howard, So I let

2506
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:08,279
Speaker 1: you finished, Professor.

2507
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:14,400
Speaker 13: Yes, so I started Morgan, and then brother Nati and

2508
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:18,520
Speaker 13: Tabia at UNBC we were working together, and then we

2509
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,800
Speaker 13: started to link with the students at Howard. I was

2510
02:20:21,879 --> 02:20:25,600
Speaker 13: a little bit surprised that Howard is always promoted as

2511
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:29,400
Speaker 13: the mecca Black institutions, but I knew better because there's

2512
02:20:29,400 --> 02:20:32,240
Speaker 13: some of the great scholars doctor Welseon and many others,

2513
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:37,400
Speaker 13: and will and Leo Hansbury and other giants that were

2514
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 13: totally disrespected by Howard to say the least. But Howard

2515
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:45,120
Speaker 13: also did not have one class that was required, so

2516
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 13: person could couldn't matriculate, get a degree and not learn anything,

2517
02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:54,119
Speaker 13: not one class. So all three campuses we worked together

2518
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:58,040
Speaker 13: at Morgan State University, University of Maryland, Baltimore County or UNBC,

2519
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 13: and Howard, and eventually at our campus, I led the charge.

2520
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:06,720
Speaker 13: It took years, a couple of years, but we won,

2521
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:10,400
Speaker 13: and so now every student at Morgan State University has

2522
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:14,160
Speaker 13: to take the African Diaspora class. Because I was able

2523
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:17,840
Speaker 13: to organize folks, we had over two thousand petitions. I

2524
02:21:17,879 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 13: remember I stayed up in April or day in April

2525
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:22,640
Speaker 13: nineteen eighty five. They can go to sleep. I typed

2526
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 13: up the petition and I told all everybody he meet

2527
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:28,640
Speaker 13: me on the bridge because I'm a distribute. I went

2528
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:31,880
Speaker 13: to the History department, made a bunch of copies, and

2529
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:36,160
Speaker 13: we got signatures and we made people assign it. So

2530
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:38,640
Speaker 13: everybody has to take the class. I actually don't remember

2531
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:41,920
Speaker 13: the results at Howard, but what stood out at Howard

2532
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:45,520
Speaker 13: is that they didn't have a class at this so

2533
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:50,200
Speaker 13: called mecca Black institutions. So for me, in my experience,

2534
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:55,200
Speaker 13: students matriculating that an institution is okay but it's not

2535
02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:57,760
Speaker 13: enough doesn't mean that they're learning, and it does not

2536
02:21:57,959 --> 02:22:04,119
Speaker 13: mean even more than that animation without actionalization is not useful.

2537
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:06,400
Speaker 13: So What are you going to do with the information?

2538
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:10,840
Speaker 13: Is very important because now what we see is more

2539
02:22:10,879 --> 02:22:15,680
Speaker 13: and more young people, black people, black women in particular,

2540
02:22:15,760 --> 02:22:18,880
Speaker 13: because they're the majority who are going into debt that

2541
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 13: they cannot pay back because they're getting these degrees that

2542
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:26,320
Speaker 13: are not effective in them creating a lifestyle that can

2543
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:28,600
Speaker 13: pay off that great amount of debt and then live

2544
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:32,320
Speaker 13: a great lifestyle. So many people understand that there's other routes.

2545
02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 13: I've always said you can learn the trade and still

2546
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:39,360
Speaker 13: earn a very good living, and that going to college

2547
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:41,800
Speaker 13: is not for everybody. But if you go, you better

2548
02:22:41,879 --> 02:22:45,120
Speaker 13: have a plan because being in school is just part

2549
02:22:45,160 --> 02:22:46,520
Speaker 13: of it. What are you going to do afterwards? So

2550
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:49,400
Speaker 13: now it's like when people are written and studies about

2551
02:22:49,480 --> 02:22:52,440
Speaker 13: this grift of taking tons of money from people when

2552
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:54,920
Speaker 13: they have to go and take out loans and then

2553
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 13: they don't have a job. I can tell you this,

2554
02:22:57,000 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 13: I don't know anybody that I matriculated, he went to

2555
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:04,120
Speaker 13: school with that are actually working or had worked in

2556
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:06,800
Speaker 13: the area or field in which they got their degree,

2557
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:10,480
Speaker 13: me included, you know. So there's a value of people

2558
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:12,960
Speaker 13: going to school. My father's big on that to go

2559
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:16,160
Speaker 13: and learn, but it has to be structured learning so

2560
02:23:16,320 --> 02:23:19,360
Speaker 13: that it is as practical and functional as possible. And

2561
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,680
Speaker 13: if he ain't in school, you better be doing something positive.

2562
02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:26,320
Speaker 13: Like my cousin, he never went to college, didn't matter.

2563
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 13: He was able to with his father. You know, they

2564
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:33,400
Speaker 13: have a construction business and he does very very well.

2565
02:23:33,640 --> 02:23:35,640
Speaker 13: He never went to school, but he was raised right

2566
02:23:35,720 --> 02:23:38,359
Speaker 13: and he had the right kind of foundations. So obviously

2567
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:41,600
Speaker 13: I'm not saying school doesn't have value, but sometimes it's

2568
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:45,400
Speaker 13: overvalue and people don't have a plan after they matriculate,

2569
02:23:45,560 --> 02:23:48,520
Speaker 13: and that's where we have to get better as a community.

2570
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, thank you five after toughy, I thank you for

2571
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,960
Speaker 1: doing that, for that fight. So now the student's coming

2572
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:57,920
Speaker 1: in will have some you know, a required credit.

2573
02:23:58,280 --> 02:23:58,680
Speaker 5: I take it.

2574
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:01,520
Speaker 1: That's what it is now more and Howard and the

2575
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:04,880
Speaker 1: other school, yes, they have to get a Black history course,

2576
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:06,320
Speaker 1: right that they have to.

2577
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:08,280
Speaker 13: They have to take the class. As a matter of fact,

2578
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:10,800
Speaker 13: I remember I was I went to one of the

2579
02:24:10,879 --> 02:24:12,920
Speaker 13: homecomings and I was in the bookstore and I saw

2580
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:16,280
Speaker 13: the acquired textbook they were using for the class, and

2581
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:18,640
Speaker 13: I just smiled. So these people. So then the guy

2582
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:22,400
Speaker 13: came up to me and say, I know you. I

2583
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:25,240
Speaker 13: thought he was, you know, probably mistaken, and I said, yeah,

2584
02:24:25,400 --> 02:24:28,280
Speaker 13: well you know I've been around said no, no, no, no,

2585
02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:32,080
Speaker 13: you said you talked the world history class. I remember

2586
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:36,160
Speaker 13: you were making a big deal that the authors, you know,

2587
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:39,960
Speaker 13: that their background did not require did not justify the

2588
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:43,200
Speaker 13: writing the Royal History course. So yeah, you you definitely

2589
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:45,279
Speaker 13: would have taken my class because that was my approach.

2590
02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:48,560
Speaker 13: How can these guys write their world history textbook for

2591
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:51,360
Speaker 13: a world history course and their entire background is only

2592
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:54,800
Speaker 13: looking at the experience in Europe. So he was the

2593
02:24:54,840 --> 02:24:59,240
Speaker 13: bookstore manager at the time, so yeah, it's important. One

2594
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:02,080
Speaker 13: other thing I wanted to say too, so with people

2595
02:25:02,120 --> 02:25:06,040
Speaker 13: that know Everyone's Place. So in the midst of this,

2596
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:10,840
Speaker 13: we started our campaign in nineteen eighty five. So the

2597
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:13,840
Speaker 13: next year, in nineteen eighty six, that's when NINETI and

2598
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:17,800
Speaker 13: Tabia created Everyone's Place for North Avenue. And when they

2599
02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:21,440
Speaker 13: created it, it was just a small store with jewelry

2600
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:26,039
Speaker 13: and oils. And then I had I think I had

2601
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:28,760
Speaker 13: wrote something really small, was a little pamper. They didn't

2602
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:31,160
Speaker 13: have books, that wasn't their focus. But they were very

2603
02:25:31,240 --> 02:25:34,279
Speaker 13: fortunate for two reasons. Number one, brother Natiz he's always

2604
02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:37,200
Speaker 13: had the resources to make good business decisions. And then

2605
02:25:37,240 --> 02:25:40,360
Speaker 13: a great thing came up is that right down the street,

2606
02:25:40,520 --> 02:25:44,440
Speaker 13: literally probably a twenty second walk, the big building where

2607
02:25:44,440 --> 02:25:48,640
Speaker 13: they currently are at is thirteen fifty six West North Avenue.

2608
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:52,160
Speaker 13: That became available. So they just moved right down the

2609
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:54,760
Speaker 13: street to that multi story building and they've been there

2610
02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:59,240
Speaker 13: now since since the nineteen eighties, and they've expanded obviously

2611
02:25:59,560 --> 02:26:02,480
Speaker 13: to in World books where they're a great distributor. But

2612
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:06,120
Speaker 13: they started and I started working with them before any

2613
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:08,400
Speaker 13: of that was created. And if brother Nati's listening, he

2614
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:12,320
Speaker 13: can tell the story. I don't know what they accomplished

2615
02:26:12,360 --> 02:26:14,680
Speaker 13: at UNBC, because what happens is that, you know, many

2616
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 13: of us, we'd graduate, we move on, but our legacy

2617
02:26:17,560 --> 02:26:20,320
Speaker 13: is still there. Then the reason why I was successful

2618
02:26:20,520 --> 02:26:24,120
Speaker 13: is I stayed at Morgan State and continue my graduate

2619
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:26,200
Speaker 13: work there. That's why I was able to advocate to

2620
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:30,280
Speaker 13: make sure that the course was a requirement. I was

2621
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:34,119
Speaker 13: a student voice and representative on those committees. But if

2622
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:38,480
Speaker 13: I had graduated and left in nineteen eighties, we got

2623
02:26:38,520 --> 02:26:42,560
Speaker 13: it in eight Around eighty seven is when we had

2624
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:46,280
Speaker 13: the success, and I started myra graduate school during that year.

2625
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:48,879
Speaker 13: But if I didn't state to the graduate school, I'm

2626
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:53,080
Speaker 13: not sure that the course would have been implemented and

2627
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:57,080
Speaker 13: successful because students left, students came, and you had to

2628
02:26:57,160 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 13: be strong to be able to look the president and say,

2629
02:26:59,400 --> 02:27:01,280
Speaker 13: you know what, you know what you're talking about. What

2630
02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 13: do you mean you're against having one class and that

2631
02:27:04,959 --> 02:27:07,200
Speaker 13: they don't have the class at John Hopkins. I said,

2632
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 13: you don't know what you're talking about. John Hopkins has

2633
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:14,680
Speaker 13: an extensive library in Baltimore on Africa and the African

2634
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:18,360
Speaker 13: American experience. Because when we could not find any books

2635
02:27:18,680 --> 02:27:21,680
Speaker 13: or materials, not just books, as articles as essays as well.

2636
02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:25,160
Speaker 13: When we couldn't find materials in our Soulper Library or

2637
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:29,160
Speaker 13: Morgan State University's campus, our advisor to late great doctor

2638
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:33,720
Speaker 13: Roslind Turboard Penn, who taught me primary research, who encouraged

2639
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,240
Speaker 13: me to continue my work on Africa, she said, go

2640
02:27:36,320 --> 02:27:38,240
Speaker 13: to John Hopkins. And that's what I did. I went

2641
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 13: there several times. So I told the president, you don't

2642
02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:43,320
Speaker 13: know what you're talking about. And besides, our experience as

2643
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:46,280
Speaker 13: black students are different than the white students of John Hopkins,

2644
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:48,440
Speaker 13: So you don't tell me what we need. We know

2645
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:50,760
Speaker 13: what we need, we know what we're not learning. So

2646
02:27:51,480 --> 02:27:54,400
Speaker 13: I said that in the meetings, and we were able

2647
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:58,000
Speaker 13: to be successful. But I don't know the total the

2648
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:01,000
Speaker 13: outcomes at UNBC and Howard, but I do know we

2649
02:28:01,240 --> 02:28:04,280
Speaker 13: work diligently together because we all had the same plight,

2650
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:09,119
Speaker 13: the black students and institutions with black people, and yet

2651
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:12,320
Speaker 13: we didn't learn anything about ourselves. So we were tired

2652
02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:14,279
Speaker 13: of what we considered to be the miseducation.

2653
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:17,520
Speaker 1: All right, and thank you for that story. And again,

2654
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:21,840
Speaker 1: everyone's place in Baltimore now is expanding. Man, I just book.

2655
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:24,520
Speaker 1: You can get African artifacts, you can get clothing as well.

2656
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:27,160
Speaker 1: After everything African, you can go there and check out

2657
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:29,920
Speaker 1: Brother Nazi. Shout out to Brother Nazi. Ten alf the

2658
02:28:29,959 --> 02:28:31,280
Speaker 1: top there. I've got a bunch of folks want to

2659
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:33,640
Speaker 1: talk to you, Professor. Let's start with Karl. He's calling

2660
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,760
Speaker 1: from Novah, Northern Virginia is online. One grand rising Karl,

2661
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:38,320
Speaker 1: You're only professor mpim.

2662
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:42,720
Speaker 14: The morning Professor and grandizing.

2663
02:28:43,879 --> 02:28:47,680
Speaker 8: Jimmy, Yes, yeah, we can hear it.

2664
02:28:47,879 --> 02:28:51,160
Speaker 24: Okay, listen, uh as funny as you made that comment

2665
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:55,200
Speaker 24: about black history not being taught, because here in the

2666
02:28:55,240 --> 02:28:58,480
Speaker 24: Commonwealth of Virginia. We've been trying to get black history

2667
02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:02,480
Speaker 24: to be taught the same way that Holocaust history was

2668
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:05,600
Speaker 24: made mandatory to be taught here in the Commonwealth. Back

2669
02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:09,280
Speaker 24: in two thousand and nine, the state legislatures passed a

2670
02:29:09,400 --> 02:29:13,840
Speaker 24: law that made Holocaust history to be taught age appropriate

2671
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:15,360
Speaker 24: K through twelve and.

2672
02:29:15,360 --> 02:29:19,240
Speaker 14: They actually read it voted into the Assembly of.

2673
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:19,720
Speaker 12: What have you.

2674
02:29:19,879 --> 02:29:21,760
Speaker 24: And that's a lot that's been an effect for going

2675
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:25,840
Speaker 24: on twenty years now. I have personally tried to press

2676
02:29:26,280 --> 02:29:28,320
Speaker 24: some of the black legislators, like the ones whom the

2677
02:29:28,400 --> 02:29:31,959
Speaker 24: Virginia Black Legislative Caucus who always claimed that they're down

2678
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:34,680
Speaker 24: for black education, to do the same thing for us,

2679
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:37,039
Speaker 24: because some of those thing people that voted for that bill,

2680
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:40,600
Speaker 24: for that Holocaust education have yet to do something to

2681
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:44,440
Speaker 24: this day to make black history taught mandatory here in

2682
02:29:44,480 --> 02:29:47,600
Speaker 24: the Commonwealth of Virginia. And to your point about the

2683
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:50,680
Speaker 24: black colleges, I went to Hampton, it was not mandatory

2684
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:51,560
Speaker 24: to be taught at Hampton.

2685
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:52,440
Speaker 12: I had to go out of my.

2686
02:29:52,480 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 24: Way, even though I was a political science major to

2687
02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:58,880
Speaker 24: learn it. And so it's still a very common fight

2688
02:29:58,959 --> 02:30:02,240
Speaker 24: that we have to make black history something that should

2689
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:05,720
Speaker 24: be taught across the board so that we all have

2690
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:08,240
Speaker 24: some sort of common frame of reference for our story.

2691
02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:11,360
Speaker 24: And it's very frustrating to our black legislators. And I

2692
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:14,800
Speaker 24: don't care whether it's it's statewide, citywide, or at the

2693
02:30:14,840 --> 02:30:18,880
Speaker 24: federal level. No one has championed this call. However, they

2694
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:21,280
Speaker 24: will champion the calls for other groups of people to

2695
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 24: whom they don't belong. What do you think about that?

2696
02:30:25,720 --> 02:30:28,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, And people try to

2697
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:32,560
Speaker 13: win political points in doing that and win favor of

2698
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:36,840
Speaker 13: their benefactors. So you're right, and this should be a

2699
02:30:36,959 --> 02:30:40,000
Speaker 13: concern of ours. So we have to continue to push

2700
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:44,880
Speaker 13: for the learning and the knowledge of the experience and

2701
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:48,160
Speaker 13: history and contributions of black people here in the US

2702
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:56,400
Speaker 13: and beyond. And so we respect the ancestors who struggled

2703
02:30:56,440 --> 02:30:59,440
Speaker 13: in this country, but we cannot start the history in slavery.

2704
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,640
Speaker 13: We have to go beyond that. But you're absolutely correct

2705
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,880
Speaker 13: and pushing for that. And let me also say this

2706
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:10,840
Speaker 13: about Woodson and pushing for a new kind of education

2707
02:31:11,879 --> 02:31:14,400
Speaker 13: that would put back into the pages of US and

2708
02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:19,520
Speaker 13: world history, the missing pages, the missing chapters, the missing volumes.

2709
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:25,720
Speaker 13: Woodson focused on achievements accomplishments and contributions. And so I

2710
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:30,920
Speaker 13: urged people to expand your library the African background outline

2711
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:35,080
Speaker 13: that book, African Heroes and Heroines that book. Also, people

2712
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:38,320
Speaker 13: should get the Negro in our History. Also, there's a

2713
02:31:38,400 --> 02:31:41,280
Speaker 13: book that Woodson never published. He wrote it, but he

2714
02:31:41,320 --> 02:31:44,680
Speaker 13: didn't publish it. And in nineteen twenty one he wrote

2715
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:48,879
Speaker 13: a book that he called The Case of the Negro,

2716
02:31:49,480 --> 02:31:52,600
Speaker 13: and it was a stunning indictment of white America. He

2717
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:57,000
Speaker 13: didn't publish it only because he thought better about whether

2718
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:00,480
Speaker 13: or not the few white philanthropists that would give money

2719
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:02,800
Speaker 13: that they would probably put out all of the money

2720
02:32:02,879 --> 02:32:04,640
Speaker 13: is He looked at the bigger picture and said that

2721
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:07,960
Speaker 13: we're not dependent on them, but we don't want this

2722
02:32:08,040 --> 02:32:11,000
Speaker 13: small amount of money pulled because it would it would

2723
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:14,320
Speaker 13: hurt our operations in the long run. His organization didn't

2724
02:32:14,360 --> 02:32:17,080
Speaker 13: publish it until a few years ago. I don't know

2725
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:18,880
Speaker 13: why they changed the name. They should have kept it

2726
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,039
Speaker 13: as it was. He called it the Case of the Negro.

2727
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:24,960
Speaker 13: They changed it to Woodson's Appeal. And so they should

2728
02:32:24,959 --> 02:32:27,240
Speaker 13: get that book. What other thing that people should know

2729
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:31,800
Speaker 13: as well about Woodson and always connecting the experience and

2730
02:32:31,959 --> 02:32:35,800
Speaker 13: history of black people here with Africa. He had Projective

2731
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:40,400
Speaker 13: and Encyclopedia, a ten volume encyclopedia that he was working on,

2732
02:32:40,520 --> 02:32:42,640
Speaker 13: and then he scaled it down from ten volume to

2733
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:45,520
Speaker 13: six volume. And guess what Woodson was going to call

2734
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:52,720
Speaker 13: the encyclopedia. It was Encyclopedia Africana. That's extraordinary because Duboys

2735
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 13: was competing with Woodson about who would publish their encyclopedia first,

2736
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:00,760
Speaker 13: and W. B. Du Bois was going to issue a

2737
02:33:00,879 --> 02:33:07,000
Speaker 13: four volume item called the Encyclopedia of the Negro. You

2738
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:11,640
Speaker 13: compare that title to Woodson's Encyclopedia Africana because Woodson, in

2739
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:15,080
Speaker 13: the Encyclopedia, he started with African civilizations, but he also

2740
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:18,360
Speaker 13: looked at African contributions in other parts of the world.

2741
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:21,240
Speaker 13: Woodson was a pan Africanist. You can see him always

2742
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:25,480
Speaker 13: embracing the experience and contributions of black people in the

2743
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:28,560
Speaker 13: Caribbean and in the US. There's no time that Woodson

2744
02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:31,600
Speaker 13: did not look globally about the black experience. We've done

2745
02:33:31,640 --> 02:33:36,080
Speaker 13: that more recently, particularly people in his organization, because they're

2746
02:33:36,120 --> 02:33:40,760
Speaker 13: not comfortable with Woodson's international scope. So yes, we should

2747
02:33:40,879 --> 02:33:44,240
Speaker 13: always fight and struggle to make sure that our story

2748
02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:46,920
Speaker 13: is told in any kind of institution, but we want

2749
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:49,560
Speaker 13: to make sure as well that it's a broad story,

2750
02:33:49,640 --> 02:33:52,720
Speaker 13: that we look at the fullness of our experience. And

2751
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:55,480
Speaker 13: as Woodson did so, I agree with you the struggle

2752
02:33:55,800 --> 02:33:57,760
Speaker 13: is very important, but we also make sure we have

2753
02:33:57,840 --> 02:34:01,160
Speaker 13: to be broad and not narrow it own two black

2754
02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:04,360
Speaker 13: people after slavery in the US. That's a small part

2755
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:07,800
Speaker 13: of our experience. It does matter, but it's still a

2756
02:34:07,879 --> 02:34:08,440
Speaker 13: small part.

2757
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:09,840
Speaker 5: Got you.

2758
02:34:10,040 --> 02:34:11,800
Speaker 1: Fifteen after the top I was to take some more

2759
02:34:11,879 --> 02:34:16,080
Speaker 1: calls for Professor Many MP. Kelvin is calling us from Toronto, Canada.

2760
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Is online three grand Rising Kelvin. You're on with Professor

2761
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Mpm's Kelvin there online three All right, I'm not hearing

2762
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:31,199
Speaker 1: Oh we can hear you now go ahead hear me? Sure,

2763
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:31,640
Speaker 1: go ahead?

2764
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 21: Sorry, yeah, definitely one of my favorite guests on this show, Carol.

2765
02:34:36,120 --> 02:34:38,160
Speaker 21: I went to Howard. I was probably a couple of

2766
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:41,320
Speaker 21: years ahead of you. Doctor h was a Finn, But Sir,

2767
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:43,680
Speaker 21: I agree, Howard did not hear me.

2768
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:46,560
Speaker 13: Yeah to hear me?

2769
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:51,279
Speaker 21: Yeah, okay, Howard, how warld you didn't make it mandatory

2770
02:34:51,320 --> 02:34:54,720
Speaker 21: if you take our history, but the resources were definitely

2771
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:56,400
Speaker 21: there to take it if you wanted to take it.

2772
02:34:57,720 --> 02:35:00,920
Speaker 21: You had a lot of good classes, the good professors,

2773
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,400
Speaker 21: and you had the more than Stein Gun room, and

2774
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:07,360
Speaker 21: you had African American Resource Center. So it was there.

2775
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 21: It wasn't mandatory, but it was definitely there, and it

2776
02:35:10,680 --> 02:35:13,160
Speaker 21: was up to the students to take advantage of it.

2777
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:13,800
Speaker 12: Uh.

2778
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:15,240
Speaker 21: That's one I just wanted to add.

2779
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:16,280
Speaker 13: We did have it.

2780
02:35:17,080 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 19: Uh.

2781
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:19,760
Speaker 21: In fact, I tutored it, but you just had to

2782
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:22,720
Speaker 21: take advantage of if you weren't in client.

2783
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:27,240
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this real quick, Kelvin. Has it changed?

2784
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:29,680
Speaker 1: Is it required now at Howard that you take an

2785
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:32,400
Speaker 1: African American history course? Is that one of the requirements

2786
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:33,199
Speaker 1: before graduation?

2787
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:35,280
Speaker 12: I hope so.

2788
02:35:35,720 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 21: Uh and professor probably speak to that more so than

2789
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 21: I can, But I think it should be, because I mean,

2790
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:42,720
Speaker 21: the resources are there.

2791
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:43,480
Speaker 9: Uh.

2792
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:46,400
Speaker 21: And and I took it. I took and that's why

2793
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:47,720
Speaker 21: I learned about doctor Carter G.

2794
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:48,200
Speaker 12: Woodson.

2795
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:50,560
Speaker 21: Two of the books we had to read was Chance

2796
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:55,000
Speaker 21: Williams Destruction of Black Civilization and in mis Education of

2797
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:55,440
Speaker 21: the Negro.

2798
02:35:56,040 --> 02:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad take a break book, but I thank you

2799
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:01,000
Speaker 1: for your call, thank of a share on that with us.

2800
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:03,440
Speaker 1: And when we get back Chevry, Professor MP, and if

2801
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:05,840
Speaker 1: they are teaching, maybe you're a student, Howard are you

2802
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:07,960
Speaker 1: listening to let us know? Eight hundred and four or

2803
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:10,560
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six number of calls to

2804
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:13,680
Speaker 1: get in to speak to Professor Ampim seventeen half the

2805
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:15,920
Speaker 1: top they will take the phone calls next and Grand

2806
02:36:15,959 --> 02:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Rising Family twenty minutes after the top of there. I

2807
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:21,400
Speaker 1: guess Professor mahin New Am Pimber discussing Cartag g Woodson

2808
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:24,920
Speaker 1: in his groundbreaking scholarship on African civilization that somehow is

2809
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:27,879
Speaker 1: admitted for many when we talk about Cartage g Woodson.

2810
02:36:27,959 --> 02:36:31,120
Speaker 1: This being the centennial of Black History Month, and this

2811
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,440
Speaker 1: is where the discussion is this morning. And before we

2812
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:36,000
Speaker 1: left the break, there's a question about whether it's a

2813
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:39,560
Speaker 1: requirement African American or Black studies, whatever they want to

2814
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:41,760
Speaker 1: call it is a requirement at Howard, did you know

2815
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:42,640
Speaker 1: if that's true?

2816
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:47,240
Speaker 25: Yeah, Professor MPM, Well, what I do know, and I'll

2817
02:36:47,400 --> 02:36:51,400
Speaker 25: just try to look if you're majoring in African American

2818
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 25: studies or if you're majoring in history, then there is.

2819
02:36:55,120 --> 02:37:01,240
Speaker 13: A requirement in those particular majors. But what we were

2820
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:06,680
Speaker 13: arguing for example, is that regardless of your major, it's

2821
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:11,080
Speaker 13: a core class, just like English or math or science

2822
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:14,920
Speaker 13: class would be. So that I'm not sure about at Howard,

2823
02:37:14,959 --> 02:37:18,119
Speaker 13: but I do know that you have to take classes

2824
02:37:18,200 --> 02:37:22,000
Speaker 13: in African American studies or history, which is okay, But

2825
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:24,840
Speaker 13: that's not the same is that because most people are

2826
02:37:24,879 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 13: not going to major in those fields history or African

2827
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:32,800
Speaker 13: American studies. The issue is can you matriculate at Howard

2828
02:37:33,440 --> 02:37:37,000
Speaker 13: and finish your bachelor's degree and take a class or not.

2829
02:37:37,400 --> 02:37:41,280
Speaker 13: So I don't see anything unless I know they made

2830
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:43,320
Speaker 13: some changes in twenty twenty three, But I don't see

2831
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:46,640
Speaker 13: anything that I just made a quick check that shows

2832
02:37:46,680 --> 02:37:49,240
Speaker 13: that people have to take the class regardless. Now at

2833
02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:53,040
Speaker 13: Morgan State you have to take the African ASPRA class

2834
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:56,400
Speaker 13: regardless of your major. And that's what our campaign was

2835
02:37:56,440 --> 02:38:01,640
Speaker 13: focused on. And so thank you to to the brother

2836
02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:05,360
Speaker 13: the Alumbness for that information. Just to give more context.

2837
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:10,720
Speaker 13: Back in nineteen twenty two, the Great William Leo Hansbury,

2838
02:38:10,840 --> 02:38:15,160
Speaker 13: who taught at Howard University within the History department. He

2839
02:38:15,440 --> 02:38:20,240
Speaker 13: created the African Civilization section of the History department in

2840
02:38:20,360 --> 02:38:24,320
Speaker 13: nineteen twenty two and he started to teach on African

2841
02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:27,520
Speaker 13: civilizations when it was not popular and when people did

2842
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:29,720
Speaker 13: not know much about it. It was hard for Hansbury

2843
02:38:29,800 --> 02:38:32,160
Speaker 13: to get his PhD because he knew more than his

2844
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:37,240
Speaker 13: professors on Africa, and he was ridiculed throughout the Howard

2845
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:42,080
Speaker 13: University campus for teaching the supposedly non academic subject and

2846
02:38:42,200 --> 02:38:45,880
Speaker 13: so they were embarrassed that he would bring African studies

2847
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:49,680
Speaker 13: to the campus. And so he was never honored by

2848
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:54,120
Speaker 13: Howard during his lifetime, which is problematic. And Hansbury passed

2849
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:57,160
Speaker 13: and never honored. It wasn't until seven years after he

2850
02:38:57,280 --> 02:39:00,280
Speaker 13: passed back on the fiftieth anniversary of implants many in

2851
02:39:00,320 --> 02:39:04,920
Speaker 13: the African Civilization section, which would have been nineteen seventy two,

2852
02:39:06,480 --> 02:39:12,640
Speaker 13: and then his students, Chancellor Williams and Joseph Harris and

2853
02:39:12,720 --> 02:39:15,760
Speaker 13: some of his prominent students, they are the ones that

2854
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:20,640
Speaker 13: put together that fiftieth anniversary to honor the great Black

2855
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:25,200
Speaker 13: studies African Civilization's leader William Leo Hansbury and then Howard

2856
02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:30,440
Speaker 13: signed off on it. But this because Hansbury had passed away,

2857
02:39:30,520 --> 02:39:34,160
Speaker 13: it was no longer a threat to their worldview. If

2858
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:37,160
Speaker 13: only wanting to keep things on this side of the Atlantic.

2859
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:40,760
Speaker 13: So Howard has an interesting history, to say the least.

2860
02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:44,800
Speaker 13: But I don't see anything unless somebody is there and

2861
02:39:44,879 --> 02:39:47,320
Speaker 13: can say otherwise. I don't see anything that a person

2862
02:39:47,480 --> 02:39:50,440
Speaker 13: can take the class regardless of their major. And that's

2863
02:39:50,520 --> 02:39:52,959
Speaker 13: what we were arguing. And how in the world does

2864
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:56,040
Speaker 13: this make any sense whatsoever? It doesn't make sense, and

2865
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:58,600
Speaker 13: it certainly is not consistent with Woodson. Everybody needed to

2866
02:39:58,680 --> 02:40:03,040
Speaker 13: learn this, and it's shameful that you have scholars that

2867
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:07,840
Speaker 13: are skilled in research in the black experience in the

2868
02:40:08,040 --> 02:40:10,959
Speaker 13: US to talk about the Black History movement. They write

2869
02:40:10,959 --> 02:40:14,680
Speaker 13: about it eloquently, and yet they leave out on purpose,

2870
02:40:15,080 --> 02:40:19,400
Speaker 13: the significance of Woodson looking at the African experience from

2871
02:40:19,440 --> 02:40:23,880
Speaker 13: a global perspective and consistently writing about Africa, not just

2872
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:26,640
Speaker 13: in his books, but we learn in research that there's

2873
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:31,120
Speaker 13: far more articles and essays than there are books. So

2874
02:40:31,280 --> 02:40:33,120
Speaker 13: this is why it's important to look at all of

2875
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:36,400
Speaker 13: the book reviews that Woodson did in the Journal and

2876
02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:39,280
Speaker 13: then it was called the Journal of Negro History. I

2877
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:43,039
Speaker 13: mean so many articles that he wrote that are very significant.

2878
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:47,120
Speaker 13: Every issue he's focusing on Africa, He's reviewing books like

2879
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:52,720
Speaker 13: Consider Africa, and so many other titles that get dismissed

2880
02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:57,400
Speaker 13: and overlooked, and there's no scholar that can possibly and

2881
02:40:58,680 --> 02:41:02,080
Speaker 13: that can accurately and honestly separate Woods and from the

2882
02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:07,040
Speaker 13: consistent embracement of African achievements and integrating that into our

2883
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:10,600
Speaker 13: understanding of how do we take these achievements, be inspired

2884
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 13: by them, learned from them, and to apply the solutions

2885
02:41:15,959 --> 02:41:19,680
Speaker 13: that Africans have created, whether it's in science or architecture.

2886
02:41:19,720 --> 02:41:22,400
Speaker 13: He wrote extensively about this, and yet is not a

2887
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:25,200
Speaker 13: part of the record. People are stuck and they are

2888
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:29,000
Speaker 13: afraid to embrace Africa. And that's why the average person

2889
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:31,520
Speaker 13: is only going to look at it as Black History Month,

2890
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:34,400
Speaker 13: which keeps them in the US, and make sure that

2891
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:39,160
Speaker 13: they are not forced, as they see it, to embrace Africa. Well, Woods,

2892
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:42,200
Speaker 13: it embraced Africa on a regular and consistent basis, and

2893
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:45,320
Speaker 13: we can do no better than to liberate his legacy

2894
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:50,480
Speaker 13: and re embrace Africa and separate from these crazy presentations

2895
02:41:50,520 --> 02:41:54,480
Speaker 13: in February that are very disrespectful, to embrace in a

2896
02:41:54,600 --> 02:41:58,760
Speaker 13: more productive and wider view of the Black experience. Where

2897
02:41:58,760 --> 02:42:01,880
Speaker 13: we were at the Apex human achievement, which Woodson was

2898
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,680
Speaker 13: more and more driven by as he talked about these

2899
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:09,080
Speaker 13: unique Black contributions that were at the root of world civilization.

2900
02:42:09,440 --> 02:42:11,960
Speaker 13: Where is that in February? How Come auscl is not

2901
02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:15,000
Speaker 13: dealing with that? How come scholars and activists and others

2902
02:42:16,040 --> 02:42:19,840
Speaker 13: are not doing more to embrace Woodson's vision because he

2903
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:25,400
Speaker 13: cannot defend himself today when the record is as consistently suppressed.

2904
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:29,360
Speaker 13: That shows his love for Africa and essential focus on

2905
02:42:29,480 --> 02:42:32,600
Speaker 13: Africa while we look at what we have to do

2906
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:33,560
Speaker 13: here in the US.

2907
02:42:34,400 --> 02:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Right and all I thought, because we got a bunch

2908
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:38,640
Speaker 1: of folks want to talk to you, professor, and we

2909
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:40,360
Speaker 1: have got a bunch of tweets too, So let me

2910
02:42:40,480 --> 02:42:42,360
Speaker 1: just take some calls and if you can shut up

2911
02:42:42,400 --> 02:42:44,920
Speaker 1: on the answers I appreciated. At twenty eight after the

2912
02:42:44,959 --> 02:42:47,160
Speaker 1: top they Brother College is online too. He's calling for

2913
02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:50,359
Speaker 1: waldof Brother College. Your question for a professor Manu Lampin.

2914
02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:55,400
Speaker 26: Yes, thank you, my dear brother for your education and

2915
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:00,080
Speaker 26: it is greatly appreciated. I want just an anadotic I

2916
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:03,440
Speaker 26: mean is that uh. Doctor Gray Carr heads up the

2917
02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:09,600
Speaker 26: African Studies department at Howard University and he is quite

2918
02:43:09,800 --> 02:43:14,119
Speaker 26: deep steeped in in the African Uh the African culture

2919
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:16,720
Speaker 26: and so forth. So I'm going to reach out to

2920
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:18,600
Speaker 26: him and and to see you, you know, if that

2921
02:43:19,320 --> 02:43:22,480
Speaker 26: is real that those courses are required uh and uh,

2922
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:26,160
Speaker 26: and then I'll get back to you. But also anacdotally uh.

2923
02:43:26,400 --> 02:43:29,440
Speaker 26: When I was at Morgan, we had a book Purpose

2924
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:35,040
Speaker 26: published by Benjamin crawl Walls and that then you you

2925
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:37,240
Speaker 26: were you were familiar with that, I'm sure, my dear brother.

2926
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:40,640
Speaker 26: And it dealt with the components of the African uh

2927
02:43:41,360 --> 02:43:44,840
Speaker 26: uh journey or slavery. But the main point I wanted

2928
02:43:44,879 --> 02:43:48,760
Speaker 26: to get to real quickly is that you had mentioned

2929
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:54,880
Speaker 26: brother Natiz place. Now I have an African Historian reference

2930
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:58,440
Speaker 26: Guide which was completely free and it was published by

2931
02:43:58,480 --> 02:44:02,440
Speaker 26: the Sole school Who Institute, and it has the big

2932
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:06,400
Speaker 26: bibliography of all of the great historians. And I'm sure

2933
02:44:06,480 --> 02:44:10,080
Speaker 26: you would be in that, you know, for future reference.

2934
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:14,080
Speaker 26: They've still published it. But this was completely free and

2935
02:44:14,520 --> 02:44:19,200
Speaker 26: it has Apology Woodson, and it has been Jakermann and

2936
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:24,640
Speaker 26: John Henry Clark and diop and also but it has

2937
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:30,080
Speaker 26: this gentleman by the name of Arterio Alfonso Schomberg who

2938
02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:35,600
Speaker 26: founded the Schomberg Institute. He and this seems to be

2939
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:38,080
Speaker 26: a recurring theme that I wanted to ask you about.

2940
02:44:38,680 --> 02:44:41,560
Speaker 26: When he was in the fifth grade, he encountered the

2941
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:46,240
Speaker 26: flame which burned throughout his career, and by his own account,

2942
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:48,480
Speaker 26: it was in the fifth grade that it teach you

2943
02:44:49,080 --> 02:44:53,560
Speaker 26: glibly asserted that people of color had no history, no heroes,

2944
02:44:53,840 --> 02:45:00,879
Speaker 26: no notable accomplishments. The same theme occurs from John Henry Clark, Yeah,

2945
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:05,480
Speaker 26: and Ben Yakaman and so forth. And I'm not saying

2946
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:11,800
Speaker 26: I think the white historians, either by bigotry or negligence

2947
02:45:11,959 --> 02:45:15,840
Speaker 26: or mouth feastings and so forth, have tried to put

2948
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:20,040
Speaker 26: us in this particular corner that we do not have

2949
02:45:20,280 --> 02:45:24,600
Speaker 26: any history. And we've got to unpack that and go

2950
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:28,039
Speaker 26: deeper and learn it for ourselves, particularly for our children.

2951
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:31,760
Speaker 26: What say you, my dear brother, But thank.

2952
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:34,680
Speaker 13: You, brother, I appreciate it. People should definitely know the

2953
02:45:34,840 --> 02:45:38,280
Speaker 13: name and the work of the great doctor Benjamin Quarrels.

2954
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:43,320
Speaker 13: Doctor Quarrels is one of the one of the pioneer historians.

2955
02:45:43,640 --> 02:45:46,040
Speaker 13: So if you want, like we always learn that, if

2956
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:49,240
Speaker 13: you want to look at anything in the black experience,

2957
02:45:49,320 --> 02:45:51,760
Speaker 13: you have to ask the question, what does Quarrels have

2958
02:45:51,879 --> 02:45:54,560
Speaker 13: to say say about it? So the book that you reference.

2959
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:56,280
Speaker 13: He wrote a number of books, but the book you

2960
02:45:56,400 --> 02:46:01,720
Speaker 13: reference is The Negro in the Making of America. What

2961
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:06,119
Speaker 13: a great book by Quarrels. And I had an opportunity

2962
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:09,000
Speaker 13: to meet with Quarrels a number of times because he

2963
02:46:09,160 --> 02:46:11,840
Speaker 13: was very open. I wanted to know that he was retired,

2964
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,760
Speaker 13: but he's still in an office in the library at

2965
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:17,400
Speaker 13: Morgan State. And our professor, doctor Rosin Turborg Penn, who

2966
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:21,120
Speaker 13: studied under Quarrels, said that we should talk with Quarrels.

2967
02:46:21,320 --> 02:46:24,280
Speaker 13: And I'm the only one that actually followed up. We

2968
02:46:24,400 --> 02:46:27,000
Speaker 13: all heard the same thing, but I followed up and

2969
02:46:27,240 --> 02:46:29,760
Speaker 13: we had a number of meetings in his office. I

2970
02:46:29,879 --> 02:46:32,480
Speaker 13: learned some startling things that I would not have known

2971
02:46:32,600 --> 02:46:35,280
Speaker 13: or believed if it wasn't from Quarrels. So you're right,

2972
02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:38,640
Speaker 13: And you know, Schomberg actually had the highest respect for

2973
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:42,840
Speaker 13: Cartergie Woodson. So we talked about off the Schomberg and

2974
02:46:42,920 --> 02:46:47,039
Speaker 13: the Schaumberg Center for Research and Black Culture in New

2975
02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:51,920
Speaker 13: York as part of the New York Library Public Library System.

2976
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:56,000
Speaker 13: And Schomberg was a bibliophile, so we collected many important

2977
02:46:56,840 --> 02:47:01,720
Speaker 13: works and they're in heart. So Schomberg is a giant

2978
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:04,280
Speaker 13: who had the utmost respect for Woodson not only because

2979
02:47:04,320 --> 02:47:08,320
Speaker 13: of his organizational success that he created his organization, but

2980
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:13,960
Speaker 13: also of the promoting of the Accomplishment's achievements and contributions

2981
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:16,600
Speaker 13: with black people in the US and around the world.

2982
02:47:16,680 --> 02:47:20,320
Speaker 13: And Schomberg had the greatest respect for Woodson's accomplishments.

2983
02:47:21,480 --> 02:47:23,520
Speaker 1: Right twenty nine away from the top, yell Le's Keith

2984
02:47:23,640 --> 02:47:27,520
Speaker 1: Rolling Brother Jason's online one Grand Rising Brother Jason, Your

2985
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:29,560
Speaker 1: question for Professor and pim.

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02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:31,920
Speaker 8: Peace and blessings family.

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02:47:32,120 --> 02:47:34,920
Speaker 11: When you see a sitting president sharing a video during

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02:47:34,959 --> 02:47:38,440
Speaker 11: Black History Month, it's a message no matter how high

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02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:44,600
Speaker 11: you think we may go, you're still an animal to them.

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02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:48,240
Speaker 11: And you know, I'm asking yahweh for some strength this

2991
02:47:48,480 --> 02:47:51,720
Speaker 11: morning because I'm using animal. But you know what they

2992
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:56,040
Speaker 11: think of us here in Baltimore, Doc, we have been

2993
02:47:56,120 --> 02:47:59,920
Speaker 11: fighting for years, under the leadership of Marvin Doc Cheatham

2994
02:48:00,720 --> 02:48:06,400
Speaker 11: to introduce APP a fully Afro centric curriculum and to

2995
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:12,879
Speaker 11: the program. And we've had our CEO, Doctor Santalisi's resist

2996
02:48:12,959 --> 02:48:15,920
Speaker 11: and fight the community many many cases, even to the

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02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:18,360
Speaker 11: point where they were still teaching. At one point, Christopher

2998
02:48:18,400 --> 02:48:22,240
Speaker 11: Columbus had discovered America even when the movement around the

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02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:26,080
Speaker 11: country was to rename it Indigenous Day and get more

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02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:30,080
Speaker 11: respect to those who are already here on these lands

3001
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:36,600
Speaker 11: that he was claiming to have discovered. I'm understanding that

3002
02:48:37,400 --> 02:48:40,800
Speaker 11: one of the solutions is is that we can't allow

3003
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:44,560
Speaker 11: the system to educate us. In many cases, we have

3004
02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:48,200
Speaker 11: to take the baton and ensure that we are supplementing

3005
02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:52,080
Speaker 11: our children and instilling our children with the right information.

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02:48:52,360 --> 02:48:57,199
Speaker 11: And I definitely recommend sources like Everyone's Place, my brother

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02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:02,640
Speaker 11: brother Nazi, my sister over there at Urban Read's Book,

3008
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:08,119
Speaker 11: sister Tia Hamilton, go over there. Most of them usually

3009
02:49:08,280 --> 02:49:11,120
Speaker 11: have a list. I know brother Nat has a list,

3010
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:14,280
Speaker 11: especially for those brothers who are incarcerated. So you can

3011
02:49:14,360 --> 02:49:16,440
Speaker 11: actually go there and ask them what books you think

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02:49:16,680 --> 02:49:19,680
Speaker 11: will enlighten and inspire a young man if he's trapped

3013
02:49:19,720 --> 02:49:22,400
Speaker 11: up under the system right now. He will give you

3014
02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:25,119
Speaker 11: a collection of books to sin to inspire that young

3015
02:49:25,240 --> 02:49:28,119
Speaker 11: man or that young lady, even in the juvenile system

3016
02:49:28,200 --> 02:49:28,480
Speaker 11: right now.

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02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:30,240
Speaker 8: So I think it's important that.

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02:49:30,280 --> 02:49:34,280
Speaker 11: We push that because we had a gentleman named Kennedy,

3019
02:49:34,320 --> 02:49:36,560
Speaker 11: the carman that tried to get into the school system

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02:49:36,879 --> 02:49:40,440
Speaker 11: to do and adopt a father program like you actually

3021
02:49:40,520 --> 02:49:43,760
Speaker 11: would mentor a child in the school system. The school

3022
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:48,480
Speaker 11: system totally rejected the idea. They totally fought Doc Chetham

3023
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:52,000
Speaker 11: in reference to an afro centric curriculum, and even today

3024
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:55,640
Speaker 11: we have a minuscule program when it comes to an

3025
02:49:55,680 --> 02:49:59,520
Speaker 11: afro centric program and truly enlightening and instilling these young

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02:50:00,320 --> 02:50:02,880
Speaker 11: Black men and young Black women in these school systems.

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02:50:03,640 --> 02:50:03,800
Speaker 3: You know.

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02:50:03,959 --> 02:50:06,840
Speaker 11: So we have to take the charge of our own

3029
02:50:07,320 --> 02:50:10,440
Speaker 11: in some cases because the system is showing us, especially

3030
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:13,119
Speaker 11: when they dismantle the Federal Department of Education.

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02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:14,760
Speaker 13: The system is showing.

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02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:18,480
Speaker 11: Us that they care less about our children, especially after

3033
02:50:18,560 --> 02:50:20,000
Speaker 11: what happened with that video.

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02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:22,880
Speaker 5: All right, let's give me a chance to respond. Thanks

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02:50:23,240 --> 02:50:24,560
Speaker 5: Jason professinating.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, appreciate it. Well. You know,

3037
02:50:26,840 --> 02:50:30,720
Speaker 13: with brother Nati in African World Books, he has a

3038
02:50:30,879 --> 02:50:34,080
Speaker 13: number of my latest book, So I would recommend that

3039
02:50:34,200 --> 02:50:36,240
Speaker 13: you all get my book from Nati or you can

3040
02:50:36,440 --> 02:50:40,520
Speaker 13: order it for me directly. Either way, it's at everyone's place,

3041
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:44,840
Speaker 13: I'm sure. But a History of African Civilizations, that's my

3042
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:47,119
Speaker 13: book and I think it should be on every list.

3043
02:50:47,480 --> 02:50:50,720
Speaker 13: And it's also what I teach at Contracosta College, African

3044
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:56,039
Speaker 13: achievements and accomplishments at a very high level before slavery

3045
02:50:56,280 --> 02:50:59,720
Speaker 13: and derailment, So that's important. Well, one other thing I failed.

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02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:03,200
Speaker 13: I know brother Greg Carr very well. He's been a

3047
02:51:03,280 --> 02:51:06,640
Speaker 13: part of ASKAC, the Association for the Study of Classical

3048
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:11,720
Speaker 13: African Civilizations for many years. I'll also see what they're

3049
02:51:11,800 --> 02:51:14,400
Speaker 13: doing at Howard. Yeah, I know Greg very well. He

3050
02:51:14,480 --> 02:51:17,480
Speaker 13: knows me and my work very well as well. I

3051
02:51:17,640 --> 02:51:21,160
Speaker 13: just wanted to make sure to mention that, all right,

3052
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:21,560
Speaker 13: and let.

3053
02:51:21,440 --> 02:51:23,720
Speaker 1: Me ask you this your other book because and family,

3054
02:51:24,320 --> 02:51:25,920
Speaker 1: moose of you who don't know the Willie Lynch letter

3055
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:28,199
Speaker 1: was a fake and it was discovered by Professor Ampim.

3056
02:51:28,400 --> 02:51:30,160
Speaker 5: Is that book available as well?

3057
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:36,680
Speaker 13: Yes, The Death of the Willie Lynch Speech Exposing the

3058
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:39,840
Speaker 13: Myth that's available. I wrote that in nineteen. It was

3059
02:51:39,879 --> 02:51:43,720
Speaker 13: published by Black Classic Press in twenty thirteen. So yes,

3060
02:51:43,800 --> 02:51:48,400
Speaker 13: it's available definitely through Black Classic Press and Brother Paul

3061
02:51:49,959 --> 02:51:54,200
Speaker 13: Paul Colts also have copies myself. You can always email

3062
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:57,720
Speaker 13: me at maynu and Pim at Gmail. That's a n

3063
02:51:57,879 --> 02:52:04,240
Speaker 13: U am p Im may New MPM at Gmail, and

3064
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:07,960
Speaker 13: or you can go to our website Advancing theresearch dot

3065
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:11,240
Speaker 13: org or as I said, you can get it from

3066
02:52:11,280 --> 02:52:14,480
Speaker 13: East Coast Distributors to has it.

3067
02:52:14,680 --> 02:52:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes, we've got a bunch of folks still want to

3068
02:52:16,879 --> 02:52:18,360
Speaker 1: get to you and so but well let's take the

3069
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:20,480
Speaker 1: break and we come back and and if you can

3070
02:52:20,480 --> 02:52:22,200
Speaker 1: sure up on the answer, I really appreciate it because

3071
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:24,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people want to talk to you today. Yes,

3072
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:26,920
Speaker 1: i'mpim family. You can reach out to us at eight

3073
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:29,360
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy

3074
02:52:29,360 --> 02:52:31,920
Speaker 1: s try and get everybody on because then we got questions.

3075
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:34,040
Speaker 1: That's talk to this brilliant brother we have on this

3076
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:36,879
Speaker 1: morning as we discuss African American History Month.

3077
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:37,720
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts?

3078
02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Reach out to us and we'll take your phone calls

3079
02:52:39,560 --> 02:52:42,120
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with us

3080
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:44,800
Speaker 1: on this first day of the week, Monday morning with

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02:52:44,920 --> 02:52:48,039
Speaker 1: our guest professor Main new mpin professor On Penn, who's

3082
02:52:48,040 --> 02:52:51,280
Speaker 1: discussing Black History Month on this the centennial year Black

3083
02:52:51,400 --> 02:52:53,640
Speaker 1: History Month. Got a bunch of folks got questions for him.

3084
02:52:53,640 --> 02:52:55,920
Speaker 1: We also got a tweet interesting tweet question for you,

3085
02:52:56,040 --> 02:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Professor Tweeter says, ask the guest professor on PIM.

3086
02:52:59,280 --> 02:53:02,680
Speaker 5: Did Carter G. Woodson and W. Boy ever collaborate in

3087
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:05,680
Speaker 5: any way, No, they.

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02:53:05,680 --> 02:53:09,520
Speaker 13: Didn't really collaborate. They actually it wasn't really antagonistic, but

3089
02:53:09,640 --> 02:53:15,200
Speaker 13: they did compete about who would publish the first encyclopedia

3090
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:19,480
Speaker 13: about black people. But Woodson remained independent in his project,

3091
02:53:19,959 --> 02:53:24,360
Speaker 13: which he would what he called Encyclopedia African. But the

3092
02:53:24,480 --> 02:53:28,600
Speaker 13: boys actually received help from the Phelps Phelps Stokes Fund,

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02:53:28,680 --> 02:53:31,640
Speaker 13: which was the outside white fund that was going to

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02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:34,320
Speaker 13: fund it, and he would have called it the Encyclopedia

3095
02:53:34,400 --> 02:53:37,600
Speaker 13: of the Negro, which was very different in spoke. The

3096
02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:41,320
Speaker 13: Boyce's focus was only black people in the US. Woodson's

3097
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:45,000
Speaker 13: focus was the global African experience and contributions. But they

3098
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:48,760
Speaker 13: did not collaborate. But Woodson did have scholars around him.

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02:53:49,080 --> 02:53:52,520
Speaker 13: You see that in the journal that came out monthly

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02:53:52,680 --> 02:53:55,480
Speaker 13: with lots of scholars like Charles Wesley and others who

3101
02:53:55,959 --> 02:53:59,920
Speaker 13: who contributed to his African history focus in many book reviews,

3102
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:04,440
Speaker 13: many essays directed by Woodson, edited by Woodson, published by Woodson,

3103
02:54:04,680 --> 02:54:06,120
Speaker 13: But he didn't work with duboys.

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02:54:07,160 --> 02:54:10,400
Speaker 1: Gotcha eight five zero, seventy eight seventy six. This is

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02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:13,440
Speaker 1: the Kashiba's checking in from Silver Spring. She's online four

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02:54:13,560 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Sister Kashiba, your question for Professor Ampim.

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02:54:18,320 --> 02:54:23,240
Speaker 27: Grand Rising Carl and great show as useful. My question,

3108
02:54:23,360 --> 02:54:27,640
Speaker 27: our statement has to do with our tax money. Now

3109
02:54:28,440 --> 02:54:34,080
Speaker 27: PBS is supported by that is our tax money supports PBS.

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02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:39,520
Speaker 27: For example, ken Burns' series The Civil War that I

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02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:44,280
Speaker 27: think that's his latest series is I'm certain a lot

3112
02:54:44,360 --> 02:54:50,880
Speaker 27: of money came from PBS. Isn't it time that we

3113
02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:56,000
Speaker 27: have a series on African civilizations? It was done, I know,

3114
02:54:56,160 --> 02:54:59,840
Speaker 27: years ago by Skip Gates, but he didn't do such

3115
02:55:00,080 --> 02:55:04,039
Speaker 27: great job. I don't think its background is African history.

3116
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:09,600
Speaker 27: Why can't we have a series comparable to what ken

3117
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:16,440
Speaker 27: Burns does, but not done by ken Burns, but being

3118
02:55:16,520 --> 02:55:20,959
Speaker 27: done by people such as Professor Maynow and Pim because

3119
02:55:21,320 --> 02:55:30,480
Speaker 27: his book is actually a course of to study African history.

3120
02:55:30,760 --> 02:55:33,800
Speaker 27: The other thing is we quit saying we need to

3121
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:38,680
Speaker 27: quit saying African History Month. We need to say African

3122
02:55:38,920 --> 02:55:42,360
Speaker 27: Heritage Month. Keep saying that over and over. If enough

3123
02:55:42,400 --> 02:55:47,360
Speaker 27: people hear that, it will become that. But I really

3124
02:55:47,480 --> 02:55:51,040
Speaker 27: think it's it's time that we get with PBS and

3125
02:55:51,240 --> 02:55:59,200
Speaker 27: use somebody other than doctor Gates to do a series,

3126
02:55:59,680 --> 02:56:05,240
Speaker 27: bring back a series on African civilizations, and that should

3127
02:56:05,280 --> 02:56:08,600
Speaker 27: be done. That's our heritage, that should be done during

3128
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:11,760
Speaker 27: African Heritage Month.

3129
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:14,800
Speaker 5: All right, let's give him a chance to respond.

3130
02:56:14,840 --> 02:56:18,760
Speaker 13: Thank you, sister Kashiba, great comments. One hundred and ten

3131
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:22,840
Speaker 13: percent degree that we have to grow most the mother

3132
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:30,160
Speaker 13: of all of the month long celebrations. Month long commemorations

3133
02:56:30,680 --> 02:56:36,160
Speaker 13: started one hundred years ago with black people, and so

3134
02:56:36,280 --> 02:56:38,360
Speaker 13: all of these other groups that have a month long

3135
02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:42,880
Speaker 13: period of acknowledge it knowledgement and recognition has only been

3136
02:56:42,920 --> 02:56:45,720
Speaker 13: in the last few years or a couple of decades

3137
02:56:45,840 --> 02:56:50,280
Speaker 13: at most, and they focus on just that heritage. So

3138
02:56:50,720 --> 02:56:53,600
Speaker 13: African Heritage Month, it's difficult for people to get there

3139
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:57,080
Speaker 13: because they've heard Black History Months for the past half

3140
02:56:57,160 --> 02:57:00,280
Speaker 13: a century. And so I'm leading in the same that

3141
02:57:00,360 --> 02:57:04,040
Speaker 13: Woodson was leading. I know this that she's totally correct.

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02:57:04,480 --> 02:57:07,400
Speaker 13: If we have more people that understand the significance than

3143
02:57:07,440 --> 02:57:11,200
Speaker 13: they would see that how we're framing the focus in

3144
02:57:11,360 --> 02:57:15,760
Speaker 13: February will help bring about the groundswell where we can

3145
02:57:15,879 --> 02:57:18,560
Speaker 13: get the kind of support. But if others are not

3146
02:57:18,879 --> 02:57:22,240
Speaker 13: aware of the significance, they'll stay stuck and then be

3147
02:57:22,400 --> 02:57:26,480
Speaker 13: linked to these crazy February programs that are being passed

3148
02:57:26,520 --> 02:57:30,199
Speaker 13: off as Black History Months, and they leave out anything positive,

3149
02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:33,600
Speaker 13: and they certainly leave out Africa. But I completely agree.

3150
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:38,039
Speaker 13: We've had Africa series before by Gates and in fact, Ali,

3151
02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:41,160
Speaker 13: Missouri came out with a series and both of them

3152
02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:45,119
Speaker 13: have been condemned because they're funny but outsiders. But more importantly,

3153
02:57:45,160 --> 02:57:48,040
Speaker 13: they don't know what they're talking about. This is half

3154
02:57:48,120 --> 02:57:52,160
Speaker 13: baked information. But we have right information in the community.

3155
02:57:52,280 --> 02:57:55,160
Speaker 13: We just don't have enough people that understand the significance

3156
02:57:55,200 --> 02:57:58,360
Speaker 13: of it because it's not popular to look at it

3157
02:57:58,840 --> 02:58:03,880
Speaker 13: as African Heritage Month or Pan African Heritage Month. It

3158
02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:06,520
Speaker 13: will become popular, and we're starting right now in the

3159
02:58:06,600 --> 02:58:10,000
Speaker 13: One Anniverse. We started people before that, so I completely agree,

3160
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:13,320
Speaker 13: and people should really recognize the significance of what sister

3161
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:17,840
Speaker 13: Sheiba mentioned because it's very important.

3162
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:21,120
Speaker 1: Gotcha thirteen and away from the top. Let's go to

3163
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:23,760
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach in Florida. Carl's there, he's online.

3164
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:28,520
Speaker 5: Five. Carl, your question for professor and pim Well.

3165
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:30,520
Speaker 19: I just wanted to offer some kind of way to

3166
02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:33,280
Speaker 19: get toward Carter G. Wilson, and I think right now

3167
02:58:33,879 --> 02:58:36,360
Speaker 19: because a lot of our family members are not readers.

3168
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:40,440
Speaker 19: You could get an audiobook of the Miseducation of the

3169
02:58:40,520 --> 02:58:43,800
Speaker 19: Nigra and you don't have to have someone else interpretation.

3170
02:58:44,320 --> 02:58:48,080
Speaker 19: You can listen to you for yourself. Because from my understanding,

3171
02:58:48,120 --> 02:58:51,520
Speaker 19: he focused on the system of education that was deposited

3172
02:58:51,560 --> 02:58:53,640
Speaker 19: inside of the Coangye in the United States and how

3173
02:58:53,720 --> 02:58:56,520
Speaker 19: it operated. And then he also did a segment on

3174
02:58:56,840 --> 02:59:01,200
Speaker 19: these brothers that are so called educated Negroes, and he

3175
02:59:01,360 --> 02:59:04,200
Speaker 19: gave us a view on how they were going to operate,

3176
02:59:04,600 --> 02:59:08,440
Speaker 19: and he gave us an idea of the system of education.

3177
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:10,920
Speaker 19: And I just wanted to suggest to the family you

3178
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:15,080
Speaker 19: can just google audiobook Miseducation or the Negro and then

3179
02:59:15,160 --> 02:59:17,600
Speaker 19: you could buy a copy of that book and you

3180
02:59:17,720 --> 02:59:20,800
Speaker 19: could read along with the audiobook. It'll show you how

3181
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:24,000
Speaker 19: to pronounce different words and different things, and then you

3182
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:26,000
Speaker 19: could get the experience for yourself. I think it would

3183
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,840
Speaker 19: be an excellent opportunity for the brothers that are incarcerated

3184
02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:31,840
Speaker 19: because they have the time to spend, but I think

3185
02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:33,920
Speaker 19: they should spend it on car to g and let

3186
02:59:34,040 --> 02:59:36,920
Speaker 19: him tell you what his thoughts was and the direction

3187
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:38,600
Speaker 19: that he was going in. And I think if you

3188
02:59:39,280 --> 02:59:42,039
Speaker 19: wish to digest that kind of information for yourself, then

3189
02:59:42,120 --> 02:59:46,160
Speaker 19: possibly you might see some things differently than those who

3190
02:59:46,920 --> 02:59:50,680
Speaker 19: professed they have the research. That's just an idea audiobook,

3191
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:53,840
Speaker 19: all right, Professor.

3192
02:59:54,879 --> 02:59:58,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, I would say that that book's important. I would

3193
02:59:58,440 --> 03:00:04,000
Speaker 13: move people forward, very important to read the African background outline.

3194
03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:07,320
Speaker 13: A lot of brothers and the incarcerated, because the brother's right,

3195
03:00:07,360 --> 03:00:09,880
Speaker 13: they have a lot of time. Their writing is impeccable.

3196
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:14,040
Speaker 13: They write and they order books. They want books on

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Speaker 13: a regular basis, so they have a lot of time

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Speaker 13: to read. But we have to take so Miseducation classic

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03:00:19,480 --> 03:00:23,199
Speaker 13: very important, should be read, but equally important, I would

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03:00:23,240 --> 03:00:26,519
Speaker 13: say more important at this point is not just the miseducation,

3201
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:29,680
Speaker 13: which always has value, but the education. He wrote about

3202
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Speaker 13: the education of the Negro why is it? So we

3203
03:00:31,600 --> 03:00:34,760
Speaker 13: need to focus on that. And also the African background outline,

3204
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:38,520
Speaker 13: which fully lays out his understanding of Africa at the time.

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Speaker 13: So we move the community forward, all right.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top, Angela's online three. Angela is in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Angela, your question for Professor Ampim.

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Speaker 28: Grand Rising. I just wanted to share briefly my experience

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Speaker 28: in high school with American history. I was born in

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Speaker 28: the US Virgin Island and I attended a small private

3211
03:01:01,720 --> 03:01:06,920
Speaker 28: school and in eleventh grade when we were teaching being

3212
03:01:07,040 --> 03:01:10,680
Speaker 28: taught American history, the teacher was a man from Scotland

3213
03:01:10,720 --> 03:01:13,720
Speaker 28: who had his doctorate from Yale, and he told us

3214
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Speaker 28: that we were going to escape over slavery because that

3215
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Speaker 28: was a necessary part of American history. So we were

3216
03:01:20,280 --> 03:01:24,680
Speaker 28: all like dumbfounded because like most of us are descendants

3217
03:01:24,760 --> 03:01:27,840
Speaker 28: of slaves, we're not going to scape over that. So

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03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:32,040
Speaker 28: what we decided was to do our own research and

3219
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:35,800
Speaker 28: do presentations, and we wrote about some of our local

3220
03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:40,280
Speaker 28: notables like Hubert Harrison was from Saint Croix and Edward

3221
03:01:40,320 --> 03:01:43,360
Speaker 28: Wilmot Blyden from Saint Thomas. And then we got the

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Speaker 28: teacher to agree to do a field trip once a

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03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:52,080
Speaker 28: month where we went to the offices of local scholars

3224
03:01:53,040 --> 03:01:58,480
Speaker 28: who were teaching us about African languages, you know, Caribbean history.

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Speaker 28: So basically what I'm thing is that we didn't take

3226
03:02:01,760 --> 03:02:04,560
Speaker 28: no for an answer. We talked with our parents, we

3227
03:02:04,680 --> 03:02:08,880
Speaker 28: talked with our friends, and in the end, by the

3228
03:02:08,959 --> 03:02:12,160
Speaker 28: end of the school year, this teacher realized that he

3229
03:02:12,360 --> 03:02:14,879
Speaker 28: was there not only to teach, he was there to learn.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for sharing. That was Angela a professor.

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Speaker 1: You want to respond to anything Angela.

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Speaker 13: Shared, No that I think that's willshit.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right, just keep going nine away from

3234
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:30,880
Speaker 1: the tough day. Sergeant Rock is in Washington, DC as well.

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03:02:30,920 --> 03:02:34,040
Speaker 1: He's online one Grand Rising, Sagan Rock. Your question for

3236
03:02:34,320 --> 03:02:35,480
Speaker 1: Professor Manuampire.

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Speaker 13: Yes, Grand Rising to you and Professor of Ampen. I

3238
03:02:40,520 --> 03:02:45,560
Speaker 13: think that all HBCUs should confer honorary doctorates as well

3239
03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:49,400
Speaker 13: as recognized all of our black history scholars and those

3240
03:02:49,480 --> 03:02:53,520
Speaker 13: and other fields who made significant contributions, instead of waiting

3241
03:02:53,600 --> 03:02:58,000
Speaker 13: for a predominantly white institutions to do so. I also

3242
03:02:59,560 --> 03:03:02,400
Speaker 13: would like to comment that a lot of us are

3243
03:03:02,480 --> 03:03:06,520
Speaker 13: not satisfied with Black history not being in February. Well,

3244
03:03:06,680 --> 03:03:09,320
Speaker 13: we don't have to do that. We can change it ourselves.

3245
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:12,480
Speaker 13: I remember when I was in school, the Jewish students

3246
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:15,560
Speaker 13: used to celebrate Yam Kippor. They didn't wait for the

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03:03:15,600 --> 03:03:19,160
Speaker 13: government or ask them to give them a holiday. They

3248
03:03:19,240 --> 03:03:21,640
Speaker 13: took off. And this is the type of thing that

3249
03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:26,960
Speaker 13: we have to do in order to change this particular

3250
03:03:27,080 --> 03:03:31,520
Speaker 13: situation that we're in. That's all I have to say, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Thank you, Sergeant Rock. I'm going to Professor MPM

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Speaker 1: to respond to that, but also tell us, professor, why

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03:03:36,040 --> 03:03:38,640
Speaker 1: did why did Callage Woodson select February?

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03:03:40,040 --> 03:03:43,959
Speaker 13: She selected February because black people in the nineteen twenties

3255
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:48,720
Speaker 13: were already celebrating in the second week in February. So

3256
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:54,280
Speaker 13: rather than reinvent, So, rather than reinvent, Woodson decided to

3257
03:03:54,360 --> 03:03:57,320
Speaker 13: go with the flow. And black people are already celebrating

3258
03:03:57,400 --> 03:04:00,480
Speaker 13: in second week in February, so that's why they chose

3259
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:05,199
Speaker 13: that time period. And so February, yeah, twenty eight, twenty

3260
03:04:05,280 --> 03:04:09,040
Speaker 13: nine days, it doesn't matter because Woodson anyway, he saw

3261
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Speaker 13: an entire year of celebrations. That's why I say that

3262
03:04:12,280 --> 03:04:16,880
Speaker 13: I'm in the trenches embracing African and African American culture

3263
03:04:16,920 --> 03:04:20,720
Speaker 13: and history three hundred and sixty six days a year,

3264
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:26,440
Speaker 13: So three sixty six on twenty four to eight. That's

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Speaker 13: how our operated and people should look at it in

3266
03:04:29,160 --> 03:04:31,760
Speaker 13: that context, and if so, they would then be in

3267
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:35,280
Speaker 13: the shoes of Woodson, who was a great pioneer that.

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Speaker 5: We need to follow, and also the professor.

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Speaker 1: They celebrate a Blackish a month in the UK, and

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Speaker 1: I think in Canada as well. The whole month. They

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Speaker 1: have their celebrations about their black heroes.

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Speaker 13: Correct in the UK started around nineteen eighty seven because

3273
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:59,800
Speaker 13: there were some black there were some Black Dollars that

3274
03:05:00,120 --> 03:05:05,320
Speaker 13: went to the UK and gave presentations Ben Joseph, Benja Connen,

3275
03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:10,240
Speaker 13: the doctor John Hen mcclark and others. So because they

3276
03:05:10,280 --> 03:05:13,879
Speaker 13: were brought in to speak, then that became an annual

3277
03:05:14,280 --> 03:05:18,040
Speaker 13: thing and eventually what they you know, the Black History

3278
03:05:18,120 --> 03:05:21,080
Speaker 13: Month is October in the UK, but it all stems

3279
03:05:21,200 --> 03:05:24,200
Speaker 13: back to the great work of Woodson one hundred years

3280
03:05:24,200 --> 03:05:26,040
Speaker 13: ago and people don't even know that. When I lived

3281
03:05:26,040 --> 03:05:29,080
Speaker 13: in the UK, people didn't even know. Somebody asked me,

3282
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:33,560
Speaker 13: did we have a celebration in the US, So yeah,

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03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:37,280
Speaker 13: I think so, going back early nineteen hundreds and folks

3284
03:05:37,320 --> 03:05:42,359
Speaker 13: don't even know that. In many respects, I got to close.

3285
03:05:42,200 --> 03:05:45,840
Speaker 1: That gap, that information gap between the groups from different countries,

3286
03:05:46,120 --> 03:05:48,480
Speaker 1: stix away from the top. The Dante's reaching out to

3287
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:50,600
Speaker 1: us online too, Dante, can you make it quick for us?

3288
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Speaker 1: Your question for Professor am Pim, Yes.

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Speaker 9: Sir, how you my family? Mister call and mister I'm

3290
03:05:58,280 --> 03:06:00,960
Speaker 9: down to him. For Baltimore, I've runed like a triple

3291
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:03,680
Speaker 9: log group like about businesses and networking businesses. I wanted

3292
03:06:03,680 --> 03:06:05,400
Speaker 9: to ask you, do you know of a company or

3293
03:06:05,400 --> 03:06:07,960
Speaker 9: a group out here that we can network with that

3294
03:06:08,360 --> 03:06:11,240
Speaker 9: does business stuff like they looked up in cryptocurrency, like

3295
03:06:11,320 --> 03:06:14,520
Speaker 9: black guys that are hooked up in cryptocurrency and forward

3296
03:06:14,600 --> 03:06:17,800
Speaker 9: thinking of businesses. Are there any organizations that that are

3297
03:06:17,920 --> 03:06:18,680
Speaker 9: like that that you know of?

3298
03:06:19,640 --> 03:06:22,560
Speaker 13: No, I don't know much about Baltimore these days.

3299
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:27,039
Speaker 9: Uh toll them on National National, National, like you know.

3300
03:06:28,200 --> 03:06:30,240
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, No, I'm not familiar.

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03:06:30,840 --> 03:06:34,160
Speaker 21: Yeah, okay, okay, all right, all right, So I really

3302
03:06:34,160 --> 03:06:34,480
Speaker 21: want to know.

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Speaker 9: I was just thinking we needed to form somelf of

3304
03:06:36,040 --> 03:06:36,440
Speaker 9: that network.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you guys have a good day, all right, Yeah,

3306
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Speaker 21: we do.

3307
03:06:39,280 --> 03:06:41,879
Speaker 1: We do need a network on all levels. Having said that, though,

3308
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,280
Speaker 1: profession ampin What's what are you working on next? What's

3309
03:06:44,320 --> 03:06:44,920
Speaker 1: your next book?

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Speaker 14: Well?

3311
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:51,879
Speaker 13: Wow, so many different projects. The next documentary I'm working

3312
03:06:51,959 --> 03:06:54,840
Speaker 13: on based on my field work this past summer is

3313
03:06:55,040 --> 03:06:58,840
Speaker 13: a documentary on Push. It's a part of a documentary series.

3314
03:06:58,920 --> 03:07:02,520
Speaker 13: We have almost almost sixty hours of footage of doing

3315
03:07:02,600 --> 03:07:06,480
Speaker 13: field work in Ethiopia in the Gambella area. So the

3316
03:07:06,600 --> 03:07:09,600
Speaker 13: Kush documentary on Kushi We're coming out later this year

3317
03:07:09,640 --> 03:07:12,560
Speaker 13: and just look at the entire history of kush I

3318
03:07:12,800 --> 03:07:16,320
Speaker 13: coined the term Cushology to focus on an ancient cush

3319
03:07:16,360 --> 03:07:19,680
Speaker 13: as well as the modern Kushite groups to still practice

3320
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Speaker 13: the Kushite tradition. And then I am writing also another

3321
03:07:26,360 --> 03:07:28,800
Speaker 13: another work with one of my colleagues in South Sudan

3322
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:33,480
Speaker 13: to look at the history of the early Kushites in

3323
03:07:33,560 --> 03:07:36,000
Speaker 13: that area of South Sudan. So those are some of

3324
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Speaker 13: the some of the mini projects that I'm working on

3325
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Speaker 13: at this point, and so I encourage people to also.

3326
03:07:44,800 --> 03:07:47,039
Speaker 13: One thing I'll point out is that I'm gonna finally

3327
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:51,080
Speaker 13: visit Baltimore and DC area coming up. The dates will

3328
03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:54,240
Speaker 13: be finalized soon, so I will love to let people

3329
03:07:54,360 --> 03:07:56,920
Speaker 13: know when I'll be in the area presenting some of

3330
03:07:57,000 --> 03:08:00,160
Speaker 13: my work live and so I look forward to that

3331
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:04,040
Speaker 13: as well. So folks can reach me on social media

3332
03:08:04,520 --> 03:08:06,600
Speaker 13: if they want to know more about African Heritage Month

3333
03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:09,160
Speaker 13: and their argument for it. You can find it on

3334
03:08:09,400 --> 03:08:12,480
Speaker 13: my Facebook account, you can find it on my YouTube account.

3335
03:08:12,600 --> 03:08:15,080
Speaker 13: You can find it also on TikTok, or you can

3336
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:16,920
Speaker 13: email me if you want to be on the email

3337
03:08:17,000 --> 03:08:20,959
Speaker 13: list and get the monthly newsletter. Just go to MAINU

3338
03:08:21,879 --> 03:08:25,840
Speaker 13: and PM at Gmail. That's the email address. And lastly,

3339
03:08:25,959 --> 03:08:30,680
Speaker 13: Carl I encourage people to read Woodson's article The Negro

3340
03:08:30,879 --> 03:08:35,000
Speaker 13: in Art from Africa to America and you'll be stunned

3341
03:08:35,080 --> 03:08:38,480
Speaker 13: at what he's presenting to the public to learn about

3342
03:08:38,520 --> 03:08:42,840
Speaker 13: our great background and great contributions and achievements in the world.

3343
03:08:43,080 --> 03:08:43,680
Speaker 13: Very important.

3344
03:08:44,600 --> 03:08:46,519
Speaker 5: And one more time was that the Negro.

3345
03:08:48,280 --> 03:08:53,560
Speaker 13: The Negro in Art from Africa to America. And Woodson

3346
03:08:53,640 --> 03:08:57,000
Speaker 13: wrote this article in March nineteen thirty nine in the

3347
03:08:57,160 --> 03:09:01,920
Speaker 13: Negro History Bulletin, and he talks about out accomplishments, the

3348
03:09:02,040 --> 03:09:06,120
Speaker 13: great architecture with the Sphinx, the pyramids in Gizer, the

3349
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:10,160
Speaker 13: Temple of Luxor, the Temple of Abu sim Bel, the Obalest,

3350
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:15,160
Speaker 13: and the greatness of Egyptian architecture and sculpture. When he

3351
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:19,160
Speaker 13: says Egyptian, he's talking about African and so what an article.

3352
03:09:19,160 --> 03:09:21,800
Speaker 13: And then people will see that it's pretty easy to

3353
03:09:21,840 --> 03:09:25,400
Speaker 13: see Woodson always in promoting Africa, and it will be

3354
03:09:25,520 --> 03:09:28,440
Speaker 13: much easier for people to understand the context of what

3355
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:30,880
Speaker 13: we should look at as African Heritage Month on this

3356
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:34,920
Speaker 13: one hundredth anniversary and break from all these events that

3357
03:09:35,120 --> 03:09:38,440
Speaker 13: don't represent our best interests, and they definitely don't represent

3358
03:09:38,600 --> 03:09:42,120
Speaker 13: the legacy and the work of the great doctor Carter G. Woodson.

3359
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Speaker 1: All Right, Thank you, Professor MPIM, Thank you for sharing

3360
03:09:45,400 --> 03:09:46,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts with us this morning.

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03:09:47,240 --> 03:09:48,879
Speaker 13: Thank you both, carul all Right.

3362
03:09:48,879 --> 03:09:52,240
Speaker 1: Family classes dismissed for the day. Stay strong, stay positive,

3363
03:09:52,520 --> 03:09:54,920
Speaker 1: please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock

3364
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Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB. Also in

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03:09:58,520 --> 03:10:01,400
Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifty w O L