1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Look, we've been saying this for years now in this program. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: These data centers and these mega corps that run them 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: and put the money behind them, they're not stopping no. 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: And unfortunately for us, we have a government that is 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: emboldening them, incentivizing them, taking our money, and incentivizing projects 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: that in many cases the communities don't want. And it 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: puts the communities in which they're proposed on their heels 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: and they have to take their own time and resources 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: to fight a project that they believe will be bad 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: for the area. And we have seen now another one 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: pop up again here in Indianapolis. 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Well, there's a data center developer whose name is Tom Dockage, 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: and he says, these data centers are actually creating and 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: generating a large amount of money for the local communities, 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: but the data center developers are just doing a bad 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: job of being transparent about the numbers. 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Well, look, this is the bigger this is the biggest 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: problem with these data centers. Well, I mean, look, there's 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: numerous problems, but a lot of it is that there 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: has been no The public benefit is unclear, especially when 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: you factor in the massive amount the massive amount of 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: money that is through the IEDC inaneconomic development corporation being 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: thrown at many of these proposed projects, and the various 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: local incentives that are a part of these projects. And 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: so what we do know as a society is that 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: these data centers require massive amounts of power and massive 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: amounts of water. And when you are looking at a 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: time where we know we clearly have studies have shown 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: over the next fifty years a serious issue related to 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: water resources being available in Central Indiana already, and we 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: have a serious issue as we see with our utility bills, 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: with the price of and access to power in the 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: long term in Central Indiana and really across our state 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: as a collective, people are looking at this going wait 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: a second, you're taking my hard earned money. You're giving 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: it away to these mega corporations, which is why the 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: way don't really employ people. They build these massive buildings 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: and there aren't really a lot of people that work 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: in them. So the jobs, the benefits, the wages that 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: doesn't really pay out. And so you're taking my money, 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: you're giving it to these mega corps that I don't 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: really know much about. I don't really know exactly what's 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: going to be going on here. I see how there 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: might be some sort of societal benefit to these things existing, 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: but not to the community in. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: Which I live. 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh, and you're going to put a major strain, potentially 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: on the resources I need to live my daily life. 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: I don't think this should be a surprise to anyone 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: why there's such a public pushback against these things. 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: So you're talking about a digital land grab, surveillance infrastructure, 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: massive water and energy drain, heat islands, noise pollution, and 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: huge tax breaks to really really rich people. Representative at 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: Soliday he said that lawmakers they've tried to take over 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: the decision making for these large scale infrastructure projects, but 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: the local governments have rejected the attempts. 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: And no, wait, wait, let's pause. At Soliday is the 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: head of the utilities in the house. There have been 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: multiple reports come out look bought and sold as a 60 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: really strong word to use. 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: But how much money and. 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: Gifts that he has accepted from the utility company's utility industry, 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: et cetera. And that guy is a complete pompous ass 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: who he is the same guy at Soliday who threatened 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: that Mayor of Portage via text message Austin BoNT I 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: believe was his name when Bonta spoke up and said, Hey, 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: my consumes are really concerned about these repeated utility rate hikes. 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: Maybe the IURC should just knock that off. 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: Well, he was really critical of the behavior at some 70 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: of these local meetings. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: Course he is. 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: He said the harassment of officials should lead to jail time, 73 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: and he said that the communities are veering towards mob rule. 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: And he said that the claims that Indiana's energy supplies 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: at risk is disingenuous. 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Well, clearly it's not because the see this is again 77 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: it's the line, right, this is always what We can't 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: even have a policy difference because you can't tell the truth. 79 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: The governor has admitted that I've got a major issue 80 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: that relates to power. It's why he signed that SMR 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Frankenstein Mill, the Small Modular Reactor Bill, which will 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: allow utilities to recoup massive amounts of money as it 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 1: relates to investment in smr's nuclear power from ratepayers, because 84 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: we have a massive issue with power being available here, 85 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: not only in Central Indiana, but across our state. See, 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: we can't even have an honest conversation about what's going 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: on because these elitist snob lawmakers be little people for 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: standing up for themselves. Now, look, are people passionate about 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: this stuff? Of course, it's where they live. They should be. 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: But this is how the lawmakers view you. You're a nuisance. 91 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: What were some of the descriptions he used from the 92 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: from the describing people people should be thrown in jail. 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: Should be thrown in jail, and that we're veering towards 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: mob rule, and that the argument that Indiana's energy supplies 95 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: at risk is disingenuous. 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you go to a meeting and you're passionate, 97 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody's been arrested at any of these 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: meetings that I'm aware of. I think people have probably 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: maybe raised their voices, they've certainly spoken up. 100 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: There was the one that we're talking about here. 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: There was a new and proposed Indicator township that hundreds 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: of people showed up against. But I don't see anything 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: in these reports about people being hauled off in handcuffs 104 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: or throwing things at the officials. They're holding up signs, 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: they're they're there, they're pissed off. But in this guy's world, 106 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: right like you're the enemy, don't get to say you're 107 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: the enemy because you say, hey, I have to live 108 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: here and I got to deal with this, and that 109 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me. You're now the enemy to 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: Ed Soliday. 111 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: So from the US Energy and Information Administration, they say 112 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: that US residential electricity prices rose six percent year over year. 113 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: Some of these states hit artists were Virginia and Illinois 114 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: and Ohio. And they say that some of these AI 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: data centers they require one gigawatt or more of energy, 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 2: which is equivalent to the power use of eight hundred 117 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: thousand homes. 118 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 119 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this at link. The simple 120 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: math tells you there's not enough power and for some reason, 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: and so come back to you. By the way, Tom Docketch, 122 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: I believe is the brother of a friend of our show, 123 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: Dan Dockitch is his brother and is a very accomplished 124 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: businessman from northern Indiana. But he's right, and we have 125 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: been talking about this for a very long time on 126 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: this program until there is a clear benefit laid out 127 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: to the public about here's what you're going to get 128 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: revenue wise, here's where that money's going to go. Here's 129 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: the cost of doing business with this as it relates 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: to water and power. Here's how that's going to be 131 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: paid for. You're never going to get the public on 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: board with this. The lawmakers and I include them in 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: this because the IDC gets involved in a lot of 134 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: these which means our money is being put at these things. 135 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: They're doing a horrible job, and these companies are doing 136 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: a horrible job, which tends to tell me that if 137 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: they can't explain it, then it may not be there, 138 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: and that's why people have paused for concerns. 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: So the Energy Secretary, she said that these data centers 140 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: could actually help fund needed electric generations. So she's saying 141 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: that we need electric generation. But Ed Soliday is saying 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: that you're claiming that Indiana's energy is at risk? 143 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: Is disingenuous? Are both of these things true? Well, they 144 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: can't keep their story showing. 145 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Now that's Susie Javarowski you're talking about now, Susie Javaroski. 146 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: We always like to tell people. They always say, you 147 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: got to remind people who people are. Suzie Javarroski is 148 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: a loser in the sense that she ran for state 149 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: house and she lost. She was rejected by her potential constituents. 150 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: They said no, thank you, We don't like your ideas, 151 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: and for that she was given this cushy job in 152 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: the Braun administration because instead of saying, wow, if her 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: constituents rejected her, wonder what's wrong with her ideas, Braun said, 154 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: let me give you this great job where you get 155 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: to dictate policy or help dictate policy for the entire state. 156 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: Suzy Javarowski loser is the same woman who recently said 157 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: it some sort of luncheon that basically these energy companies 158 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: and projects should just start suing or alluded to that 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: they should explore suing local municipalities who stand in their way. 160 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: So CNBC did a large article about data centers across the. 161 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: Kris's wrong for me to call her a loser. 162 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: I mean one of my supposed call her. 163 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: She lost, she lost the election. Yeah she's a loser. Yeah, yes, 164 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: she lost it. Couldn't call her a winner, she'd win 165 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: a loser. 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: CNBC did a large article about data centers across the country, 167 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: and they say that Indiana. 168 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: Has seventy five the states with the most. 169 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: By the way, California has three hundred and twenty one 170 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: data centers, Texas four hundred and nine, Illinois two hundred 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: and forty four, Virginia six hundred and sixty six. 172 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: So not that anybody's gonna take my advice on anything, 173 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: but if you're one of these companies, before you ever 174 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: even make the formal proposal pitch, you need to get 175 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the community on board. And you get communities on board 176 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: by being honest with them about what's going on, the good, 177 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly, and lay all of this 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: out in advance because so much of the objection to this, 179 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: and rightfully so, is because of the unknown, and the 180 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: unknown is because you're not providing data that can be 181 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: checked and verified, and it leaves people thinking you're trying 182 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: to pull something. 183 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: Over on them. 184 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back, 185 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: because our sort of our theme today is our elected 186 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: officials not being honest with us. And a couple esteemed 187 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: a citizen journalists member of the media, have gotten some 188 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: correspondence back from the Lieutenant Governor's office, which is called 189 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: something he's been very emphatic about into question. 190 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: Okay, it's Kendilly Casey on ninety three WYBC. 191 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: Okay, you're just blatantly lying. Is a strong word to use, 192 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: or strong phrase to use. So we'll say, somebody appears 193 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: to have a problem with the truth. 194 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: How about that? 195 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that affair that is a kinder, gentler way, it 196 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: is okay. So this is fascinating, by the way, it's 197 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: Kennlly Casey show, I'm Rob that's Casey. Our Lieutenant governor 198 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: once again appears to have made some statements that appear 199 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: inconsistent with the facts as presented once the media started 200 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: looking into the issue at large. And so this all 201 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: goes back to, well, take away the fact that he's 202 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: a habitual liar who's been caught in numerous lies, this 203 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: allegation of AI pornography being viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office, 204 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: and that Aaron Sheridan, a senior staffer for the Lieutenant 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Governor Micah beck With, made the allegation that multiple members 206 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: of his staff were viewing and sharing artificial intelligence pornography 207 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: of Craig Haggart, a State rep presentative, his wife, and 208 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: she came on this program. She told the story in detail. 209 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: It is the same story she has told me for 210 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: months that has never changed. And look, people can decide 211 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: if she is lying or not. But as part of 212 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: that detail, she detailed viewing the AA pornography that they 213 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: were sharing, she said, and correct me if I'm misremembering 214 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: any of this. She said that those individuals said Micae 215 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: beck With, the Lieutenant governor, was aware of the AI 216 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: pornography existing, and she said she took the complaint to 217 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Sherry Ellis, micah beck With's chief of staff after occurred, 218 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: and Cherry Elis did nothing. Did I miss relay anything 219 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: that she stated on this program? 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: Okay? 221 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Micah beck With and then came out and said, this 222 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: is all untrue. This didn't happen. She's lying the I did, 223 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: and I did an investigation. I did an investigation in 224 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: my office and I found nothing. 225 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: Right. They immediately came out and said that. 226 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: And then people said, okay, well, like what sort of 227 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: investigation did you do? Did you bring in a third party? 228 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Was the state police brought in? Was the Marion County 229 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: the IMPD brought in? Did you bring some forensic experts 230 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: some third party in? 231 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: No, we didn't do any of that. Okay, Then like, 232 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: what sort of investigation did you do? 233 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 5: Well? 234 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: I did an investigation. 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: It was like Diego Morales when I asked him, what 236 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: does Raju Shinhala do for his eighty thousand dollars taxpayer 237 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: funded contract. Well, he's in the business services. Okay, what 238 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: does he do. Well, he checks on the businesses. What 239 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: do you mean he checks on the businesses? He no, 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: are you guys okay, no, he checks on the businesses. So, 241 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: like everybody's listening to, Mike explains going, he didn't investigate anything. 242 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: You're just pulling something out of your ass saying it. 243 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: Because you've gotten away with doing this stuff for so long, 244 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: people just believe you. And so several people said, Okay, 245 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: if there was this supposed investigation, there has to be 246 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: a paper trail. 247 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: That that backs it's some sense, right, It's twenty twenty five. 248 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: If he did anything, there has to be some sort 249 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: of electronic paper trail. 250 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 3: We did this. I emailed these people. He talked about this. 251 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: And so our old pal Jake of Stuart from the 252 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: Start Indie Star and the Chris Bill Brerie, citizen journalist 253 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: from the northern part of Indiana directly above us, came 254 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: out and both of them said that they filed what 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: are known as the APPA requests the access to public 256 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: records through the Access to Public Records Act, that are 257 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: known as a public records request and both of them 258 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: said the identical thing, which is that they got nothing 259 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: back from Micah's office. 260 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: In response to your request for records. No such records exist. 261 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Not saying here's the correspondents and we found nothing, as 262 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: in there is no correspondence, as in there is nothing 263 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: based on the public records requests filed by these individuals 264 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: related to any sort of electronic correspondence or communication to 265 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: an investigation into artificial intelligence pornography in the Lieutenant Governor's. 266 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: Office doesn't exist, no records. 267 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: So you can either believe that in twenty twenty five, 268 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant governor did a state in an investigation, an 269 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: office wide investigation spanning what would span any sort of 270 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: thorough investigation, many many employees, and he was supposedly didn't 271 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: he say he was checking computers, and he was checking 272 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: emails and he and there's no electronic record of any 273 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: of that. Or you can say, wow, it appears he 274 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: lied again, you make the call. 275 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Jacob Stewart said he filed an Apple request with the 276 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: Lieutenant Governor's office seeking records and communications related to the 277 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: AI Deep Fake scandal, and they are saying none exists. 278 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: So we know quests for transparency continues, Yeah. 279 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean again, it's just lying. The guy lies about everything. 280 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: He lies about everything. 281 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: No reasonable person believes you did any sort of investigation 282 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: of anything. And there's not a shred a spec of 283 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: electronic something to back that up, Like you wouldn't have 284 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: sent an email to someone, Hey what we found? 285 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: Hey, can you send this over to me? Can you? 286 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: And there was always ludacris to begin with, to think 287 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: that on a weekend, one day in a weekend he 288 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: did some sort of thorough investigation at best. 289 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: You know what happened? What? Hey, so and so did 290 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: you do it? Nah? 291 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Okay, we're done here. That's the investigation if any that 292 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: took place. 293 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: And if that's what took place, there wouldn't be records 294 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: of that. 295 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: And that is probably why Marion County Grand Jury is 296 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: looking into this, because maybe they think he's as full 297 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: of crap as we do, and they want to get 298 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: to the bottom of what happened. You know. 299 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: In regards to Diego Morales, being at the redistricting party 300 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: they had yesterday at the state House, somebody brought up 301 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: an interesting point that his job as the Secretary of 302 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: State is to ensure elections are fair. Yes, and if 303 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: he's implying that they aren't. Doesn't that raise some questions 304 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: about the elections that he's already overseen. 305 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's totally inappropriate for him to be involved in this, 306 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: But he gets involved in stuff all the time that 307 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be involved in because Diego's job is actual job. 308 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he sees his job as using taxpayer money 309 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: and resources to campaign twenty four hours a day, seven 310 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: days a week. 311 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: I e. State maps with his name on them. 312 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Or the car that he goes all over the state, 313 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: with the checks that he presents that have his name 314 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: on blah blah blah, goes on forever and ever. But 315 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: his actual jobs to whether it is the Secretary State 316 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: or the comptroller or the state treasurer, their job is 317 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: to be an administrator of the will of the General Assembly. 318 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: That is their job. And his job should be not 319 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: to advocate for elections in one form or another. His 320 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: job would be to enforce the free and fair election 321 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: execute yes, that the General Assembly has set forth. But 322 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: as usual with that knucklehead, he doesn't get the memo 323 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: and or he doesn't care, and he's just doing whatever 324 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: he wants, and for some reason nobody will do a 325 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: damn thing about him. 326 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: So Home Depot has missed their earnings estimates for the 327 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: third straight quarter and it's not looking good for them. 328 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: They say that many people are moving slow on any 329 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: home improvement ideas soft customer demand, week housing market, and 330 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: also hire, mortgage and borrowing costs. 331 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: Well, that wouldn't be all that surprising, right, no. I 332 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: mean you think about when you feel confident in something, 333 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: you're more apt to part with your money, right, You're 334 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: more apt to make you think about even like you're 335 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: invest the way you kind of invest your money. 336 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: Right. 337 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: When times are good, Hey, we'll take a little risk here. 338 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: You know we've done very well. We're playing with house money. Well, 339 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, this company's a startup or whatever, versus when 340 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: times are tough, you're like, hey, I need that CD, right, 341 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: like I need that fixed interest rate or money market 342 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever it might be. And I think 343 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: you're seeing sort of the same thing with home improvements, 344 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: where people are like, you know, the house is good enough, right, 345 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: and if we're not selling. 346 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: It, let's keep it the way it is, get it. 347 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: We're okay for now. 348 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: Home Depot says that homeowners are remaining in a deferral 349 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: mindset on renovations kind of like, yeah, not now, we'll wait, 350 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: we'll defer to next year. 351 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: Let's see how things go well. 352 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest thing is people don't know. 353 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: It's one thing to be in a period of hey, 354 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: things aren't going great, but a year from now, we're 355 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: really predicting things are going to turn back around. So 356 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: we're preparing for that versus here because of all these 357 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: uncertainties with the tariffs, and I mean the economy really 358 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: is a collective and inflation, these are things that are 359 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: not knowns. And when things are not known, the economy 360 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: does not stock market the economy in general, it doesn't 361 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: respond well. And I think that's what you're seeing is 362 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: people saying, we don't know what's going to happen. And 363 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: so that twenty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars bathroom or 364 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: model that would be really nice to have, Yeah, we're 365 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: not certain that's necessary for next year. 366 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: And even for people who you know, kitchens and bathrooms 367 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: or what people look at when they buy a house, 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: and if people aren't selling their homes, home depot even 369 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 2: saying that housing turnover remains low, you're not apt to 370 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: do that upgrade so that you can sell it quicker. 371 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: It's reducing the major project spending. People just aren't doing it. 372 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Their transactions are down one point six percent. They did 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: say their one bright spot in sales has been online. 374 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: All right. 375 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: Wild day yesterday at the State House. The governor is imploding. 376 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: He is turning into it's Glenn close. 377 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: Right in fatal attraction. I will not be ignored. Dan. 378 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: The boiling pot of water on the stove. Really it's 379 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: horrible to see. But the governor's having a complete meltdown 380 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: over Rodbray. Jim Merritt was there yesterday, and of course 381 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: he spent thirty years in the Indiana Senate. We'll get 382 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: his take on what happened. 383 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: He's coming up next on ninety three WIBC BOO. 384 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: Thirtysoo. Then, so enclosure time for the governor so crazy. 385 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: Let's get to the bottom of Nobody knows. 386 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: The Indiana politics the government better than this guy thirty 387 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: years in the Indiana Senate. Jim Merrett, Hello, Robert, all right, 388 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: So we spent a lot of time in the program 389 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: today talking about that Bizarro org day yesterday. Have you 390 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: ever seen a governor I mean he comes off very 391 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: I will not be ignored Dan the crazy, wacky Glenn 392 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: Close character, boiling. 393 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: You know, water on the stove. 394 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: Uh And I feel like Rod Bray is it wasn't 395 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Michael Douglas. Rod Bray is the is the Michael Douglas 396 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: character at this point. 397 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: You know, I was there yesterday. We celebrated the twenty 398 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: fifth anniversary of the safe Haven Law. 399 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: And that is, for those that don't know, that's the 400 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: law in terms of being able to place a baby 401 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: somewhere and. 402 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 4: And yes with the first responder police fire. Uh and 403 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: and uh so I was able to watch the governor 404 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 4: and Center Bray and Speaker Houston and our friend, the 405 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: Lieutenant governor all at the front of this celebration there 406 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: on the front row. And and it was a lot 407 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 4: like Governor Holcombe and the legislature. They handled each other 408 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 4: with uh, you know, handshakes and and it really didn't 409 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 4: look stiff or anything. I think I think they were 410 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: I think they were really you know, playing the role. 411 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 4: And but there was a there was a pall at 412 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: you know, a cloud a mist at the State House 413 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 4: yesterday and and uh, my fellow legislators, my fellow senators 414 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 4: my caucus. Uh, nobody was happy and I talked to 415 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: a lot of them just kind of wandering around that 416 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 4: I wasn't wandering around the state House. 417 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: But do that'd be a great reality show. Jim Merritt 418 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: wanders the state House. 419 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: Well, I could give you a tour. But the bottom 420 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: line is is there was a sadness, uh that permeated 421 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 4: the state House yesterday. 422 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's. 423 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Talk about Braun because this is so big, like one 424 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: thing for a governor having asked. It's one thing for 425 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: governor to make something a priority. All of that's fine, 426 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: but this repeated like scorned lover thing where I'm gonna, 427 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, compel them. I'm gonna you don't gonna compel 428 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: me by do anything. And all he's doing now is 429 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: pissing these guys off. That that's that's true, and it's 430 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: it's it's just it's very disappointing. And and the governor, 431 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: as many people know, he was a US senator, but 432 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: he was also a member of the Indiana House of 433 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: Representatives and uh, he spoke about that at the celebration yesterday. 434 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: For an outsider, he's done a very career politician. 435 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: He think he's been inside the established establishment, and most 436 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 4: people know I am an establishment. I'm an institutionalist. I 437 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 4: believe in the institution. And and and it's it's really 438 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 4: it's it's disquieting. It's it's it's just disappointing that the 439 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 4: that the governor doesn't realize that the nuts and bolts 440 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 4: of government and that of a running an election in 441 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: May is timely and and you have to have everything 442 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 4: from the precincts all the way to the election. Uh. 443 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 4: When when you're trying to red redistrict, there is a uh, 444 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: there is a process, there is a system, and uh 445 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: and it's and this is this is throwing a wrench 446 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 4: in it and uh and and Senator Bray stood up. 447 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Jim Eerrick got it done. Yeah, Jim Meritt is our guest. Okay, 448 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: So at what point does Rod Bray fire back? Because 449 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: he was very nice again yesterday, and there has to 450 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: come a point where he is, like, you are getting 451 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: the President of the United States harassing me, braun We 452 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: all know what the General Assembly thinks of braun Like. 453 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: At some point he's got to be say something stronger 454 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: than what he I mean, he's been way nice to 455 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: not have been about. 456 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: It so far. 457 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: Well, remember Governor Holcomb had seventy executive orders running Indiana 458 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and Senator Bray and Speaker 459 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: Houston made their I'm sure made their complaints inside a 460 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: room two oh six where the Governor's office is. And 461 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: so I don't expect Rod to do that. What I 462 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: do expect is my members, my former caucus, to support 463 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: Senator Bray, regardless of how they feel about this. And 464 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 4: you saw a resolution failure yesterday about going to special session, 465 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: and so I expect the Senate Republican Caucus to solidify 466 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: and support Senator Bray. And with that support, Senata Bray 467 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 4: has proved his metal and for them to back him 468 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 4: up on it. 469 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: Jamrit our guest talking about that wild org day yesterday. Now, 470 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: then they have this rally and there's like somewhere between 471 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: thirty and fifty people there. It was a colossal embarrassment. 472 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: That rally was a really. 473 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: Look God bless that any person wants to come up 474 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: and petition their government, and. 475 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: You know, we want everybody to come to State House. 476 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: But they did more harm than good because the lawmakers 477 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: looking go, oh that's it. 478 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially right next door in the in the headhouse 479 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 4: next door to the rotunda. We had we had probably 480 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty or two hundred people there celebrating 481 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: in a very positive way of saving lives. And and 482 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: you know, God bless them. I saw him. They were 483 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 4: in red and they're probably and somebody said two dozen. 484 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: I don't think there were two dozen there, and and 485 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 4: and and we have the usual folks that you know. 486 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: Lieutenant Governor was there, the Secretary of State was there. 487 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: That was a problem that they made the face of 488 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: the thing right, well, what an embarrassment for those guys. 489 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Diego and Mike are the face and they can't get 490 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: you know what, thirty people or whatever to show up there. 491 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 4: I was really concerned about having the celebration as well 492 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 4: as the really there because they started putting some noise 493 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: out there, and and and I thought it was gonna 494 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: be very disrupting to the to the safe Haven celebration, 495 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: but it wasn't. Everybody was kind and considerate. And it's 496 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 4: just disappointing that that this effort that is going on 497 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: right now for the nine dash oh where they're trying 498 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: to do it, it's falling flat. And we need to 499 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 4: get onto talking about affordability and everything that people are 500 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: concerned with property taxes, get onto the issues of the day. 501 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was going to ask you 502 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: is Braun appears totally and he's on Hammer Nigela yesterday 503 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: and they asked him about it. He appears totally aloof 504 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: on why there's a whole bunch of people that are like, 505 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: why didn't you fight like this on property taxes? Like 506 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: if you'd have done this, we would have loved you 507 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: if you'd have fought like this on property tes Like 508 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: it appears just totally. He comes off as some sort 509 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: of i mean, just completely subservient to Trump. And then 510 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: it's like the stuff that he could help the people on, 511 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: he's just like nah. 512 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 4: Well, also the idea of thinking that this isn't finished, 513 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 4: that there's still a possibility of this, like. 514 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: Pluto and Animal House, nothing's over until week de side. 515 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 4: I think it's time, you know, the short session which 516 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 4: will end, that can end by March fifteenth, and you know, 517 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: one year we ended on February fourteenth on Valentine's Day, 518 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 4: and so be done this new short session. Everybody's going 519 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: to be running for reelection if the promised primaries are 520 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: there for people that are opposing the governor and the 521 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 4: president of the United States. People are gonna want to 522 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: get out there and start running for reelection. 523 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about the primaries, because we 524 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday in the air. These people, because 525 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: you're seeing these people pop up. Now I'm challenging so 526 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: and so. But if they can only get thirty people 527 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: to the state House on some rally, and they've had 528 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: these town halls and nobody's showed up, and the polling 529 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: shows people are against it, I think these people are 530 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: making a colossal mistake thinking that running on redistricting is 531 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: going to be some magic bullet that's going to get 532 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: them through a primary. 533 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: Right, and the legislature will come back and they'll do 534 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 4: several things that will will extend out the stress points 535 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 4: of the property text Senebiljan, the quote unquote reform and 536 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 4: and and local government will be happy about that. And 537 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 4: it's confusing anyway, but they'll get they'll get done what 538 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: they think needs to get done, and and this will 539 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 4: be a distant memory and and they'll be running for election. 540 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: And I don't know how you raise money. I don't 541 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: know how you raise volunteers I don't know how you 542 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 4: win a primary on this issue because, uh, from people 543 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: I talk to the people that are at the gym's 544 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: and the churches, and and people in everyday life, don't 545 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: think that redistricting is something that ignites a following that 546 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: will overcome, that will beat an incumbent in a primary election. 547 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're not running on property taxes and utility bills, 548 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: you're running a redistricting, you're going to lose. Okay, it's 549 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: not going to happen before I let you go. Why 550 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: can't Braun let this go? Is he just that afraid 551 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: of Trump? I mean, Braun seems to me like a 552 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: guy who writes a lot of checks with his mouth 553 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: that his actions can't cash. I've experience that firsthand with 554 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the property tax. Is that what this is? That he 555 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: he gave the Trump Oh yeah, we got this, they'll 556 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: we want, no problem, and now he can't get it done. 557 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: You know, I don't understand the governor's plan here. And 558 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: for him to tweet yesterday that that the Senate is 559 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: members are hiding in their offices or in the caucus room, 560 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 4: I take umbrage at that. I as a former member. Uh, 561 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: you know, we are we are in line at the grocery. 562 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: We we hear from people and I say we I'm 563 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: not there anymore, but I know what they're living right now, 564 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 4: and they've just got to back up Senator Bray all right. 565 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: Find him on Twitter at Jim Underline, Merrit Mary in 566 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: the Morning. That's the podcast YouTube, as well as Facebook. Jimmerett, 567 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Kelly Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Okay, 568 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: I have an update for you, Jason Hammer that I 569 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: think you're gonna love. Oh, okay, we got it. During 570 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: the break. It's Kenlly case Show and Rob. That's Casey, 571 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: Jason Hammer. When half of the Hammer Nigel ship in 572 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: with us. There was a hearing today, a bond hearing, 573 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: a bail hearing for our old pal, Gabe Whitley. Honest Gabe, 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: disgraced former congressional candidate got dead last in the. 575 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 5: Every staff member at the Hoosier Inquirer, which stupid people 576 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 5: online thought was a real publication. 577 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: Every staff member. 578 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: Then went to federal prison for lying about donors and 579 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: then found himself in the Marion County jail. 580 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: When he got sentenced. Yeah, made a roadie. I made 581 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: some great sketches. 582 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: I still got him in the office in there when 583 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: we make the move. That's the one thing I'm taking 584 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: with me. 585 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: All those pictures of my daughter. 586 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: Nope, not not taking those, But you're Vince Vaughn and 587 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 5: wedding crashers carrying the picture out. 588 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: It's coming with me. 589 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: This was a gift Hammer's bad artists sketches of Gabe's 590 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: court here. 591 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: And then he ended up in the Marion. 592 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: County jail because he was facing state charges related to 593 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: threats of abduel. And then when he got out of 594 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: the federal pen something about he didn't want to wear 595 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: his ankle monitor allegedly or something about that, and then 596 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: he ended up they ended up putting him in jail, 597 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: which is where he finds himself today. 598 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 5: Would you not want to wear the ankle monitor? Like, 599 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 5: think about how little these things are actually monitored. There 600 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 5: was a story where there was a dude that was 601 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: dead in a Planet Fitness hot tub for like three days, 602 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 5: which there's a lot of side stories to that in itself, 603 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: but he had an ankle monitor on in the hot tub. 604 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 5: The tanning bed, yes, tanning bed. Now, first of all, 605 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 5: you got to point a little blame here at the 606 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 5: staff of that Planet fitness. 607 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: Clearly you're not. 608 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 5: Cleaning it every night if there's a corpse in there 609 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 5: for three days. But also like you're not doing a 610 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 5: real good job of tracking these things. If we can't 611 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 5: find this guy, he's dead with one on. 612 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if indeed that's true, that seems like a 613 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: pretty silly reason to lose your freedom. But he had 614 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: a bail hearing today and according to Abdul, the judge said, eh, 615 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: you're staying in the You're staying in the pokey, which 616 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: he probably likes it. 617 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: I mean holidays in jail, right. 618 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: He said he was trying to get out. I mean 619 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: he said he was making the making the case. I 620 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: guess it was on a zoom hearing, but anyway, I 621 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: guess he is. He's got His trial is scheduled to 622 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: come up early next year, so it appears he will 623 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: remain in the Marion County Jail until said time, at 624 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: least as of right now. So we wanted to I 625 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: know you would get great joy out of that and 626 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: want to update the public at life. 627 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: Oh I love this. I love this. Now. 628 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 5: Somebody's probably listening to the show right now that's going 629 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 5: to get called for jury duty next year. 630 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: And imagine it'll be me because that's the only thing 631 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: I get for voting. 632 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: Imagine the joy on Casey's face when she shows up 633 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: to court and it's the trial of honest game. 634 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: Is there any reason you can't be a far and 635 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: imparcels or no, no, we cannot. 636 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: As I carry Rob Kendall's book with me, I love Rob. 637 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: Right, that is the most stupid thing anybody's ever gone 638 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: to prison for, isn't it making up fake campaign downers? 639 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: I mean that is the most He's. 640 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 5: Also got fake staff members at a fake publication, The 641 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 5: whole dude, They. 642 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 3: Got media hatses, by the way, the whole dude, the steakhouse. 643 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 5: Right one hundred, everything about it and the thing that 644 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 5: would drive me nuts. 645 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 3: And this is where I lose a little faith in humanity. 646 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 5: Is that stupid hoo's your inquirer thing on Twitter that 647 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 5: that moron created? People thought that it was real and 648 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 5: they were sharing articles, you know, from it. I'm like, 649 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 5: it's one of those stupid things where you could create 650 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 5: any sort of headline and people fall for it. 651 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, guys, you got to be better 652 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: than that. 653 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of things that people fall for. There were apparently 654 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: people who believe that Mike Brown could get redistricting done. 655 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: And as of your interview yesterday, I don't think it's happening. 656 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 5: And here's what I love. I brought up property taxes. 657 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 5: You did just so people, would, you know, get off 658 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 5: my ass about it for just five minutes, like before 659 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 5: we even turn the microphones on. Are you going to 660 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 5: ask him about property taxes? 661 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 662 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 5: This was pretty high profile feud he's got going on 663 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 5: with the Senate pro tem. But I promise, and I 664 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 5: blame you guys for this. You've got these people so 665 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 5: fired up about property taxes and it's a good thing. 666 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 5: But I could have Jesus himself walk into the studio, 667 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 5: sit down at this microp's. 668 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 3: Keep him out property tech? What's he going to talk 669 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: about property Texans? What your thoughts on the interview yesterday? 670 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 5: So again my goal for when I do an interview, 671 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 5: and I think Nigel is the same way. We're not 672 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: here to change anybody's minds like maybe other folks are. 673 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 5: But it's been our understanding nobody's going to change their 674 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 5: mind Okay, So we want to make sure we get 675 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 5: the questions out people want to hear. We want to 676 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 5: hear what he has to say. We'll ask some follow ups. 677 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: We want to get him on the record. That's the 678 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 5: goal for when we do interviews. We want to find 679 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 5: out the most important questions Hoosiers have. We're going to 680 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 5: ask it. 681 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: Now. 682 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 5: Whether you like his response or don't like his response, 683 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 5: that's up to you. But we're not trying to change 684 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 5: people's minds. Like I hate talk radio where it's a 685 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 5: finger wagging and I'm going to change your mind. 686 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 3: Bite me. 687 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 5: I can think on my own. What's coming up the 688 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 5: this afternoon, uh Tony Kennett will join us. We'll have 689 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 5: the latest on this little feud at the Indiana State House, 690 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 5: and we're giving away We're a Owl tickets. 691 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: We we'red al who should be in the Rock and 692 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 3: Roll Hall of Fame? Thanks Sammer. 693 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: It is Kennelly Casey on ninety three WYDC