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Speaker 1: Beautiful day yesterday it was you and your wife had

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Speaker 1: tickets to the Colts game. Yep, get downtown. Did you

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Speaker 1: have did you go to lunch? Did you get a

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, man, we had. Uh we went to Harry

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and staple from my wife and I when we

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I usually get the file a sliders, but

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Speaker 2: Oh, but my wife talked me into that because she says, is.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about that before.

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Speaker 1: So you go to the game. Yeah, a tremendous day

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Speaker 2: They're not doing anything. They're just an idiot with a.

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Speaker 2: Now? They couldn't get anything from the phone call, and

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Speaker 1: Bless the ZPD.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me the cops can't trace that call

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Speaker 2: I think he goes, no, she's mine man, using some

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Speaker 2: And they get into a scuffle and uh, and Barry

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Speaker 2: case of self defense, you would think, after Berry's.

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Speaker 1: Attacking this in a drunk a hole. Yes, totally completely,

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Speaker 2: it's called standrew Ground. One Man's self defense nightmare, and

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Speaker 1: My blood was boiling listening to it. It really pisses

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Speaker 2: Well, get this they submitted. The prosecutor submits it to

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Speaker 2: he submits it to a grand jury, argue about how

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Speaker 1: Is that what this clip is talking about? Some of the.

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Speaker 3: The amount of dollars that we spent on this is astronomical.

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Speaker 3: And the lessons I learned. Number One, laws in the

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Speaker 3: you know it. Number two, carry the insurance, carry good

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Speaker 3: the attorneys, the private eyes, the expert witnesses. They work

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Speaker 1: Where could go? Where can people? First of all, listen

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Speaker 1: to this inner He wrote a book, right.

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Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Standard Ground, One Man's Self

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Speaker 2: Defense Nightmare.

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Speaker 1: But you got to go back and listen to this

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Speaker 1: interview you did with this guy. It's a good interview. Interview.

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Speaker 2: It's posted on my page on WIBC. Go to WBC,

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Speaker 2: go to shows. Then the gun guy. It'll be that

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Speaker 2: we actually broke out his interview as a separate podcast.

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Speaker 2: you want to listen to that too, But the Berry

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Speaker 2: can go if you're interested in buying his book. I

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Speaker 2: the book and it's fascinating as somebody who carries a

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Speaker 2: gun every day. Is a must read. And it's called

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Speaker 2: Standard ground book dot com. You can go there, or

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Speaker 2: it's on Amazon