1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: So I did a couple of interviews yesterday. Yeah you did, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: and I said the same thing in both of them. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: By the way, it's Killen Casey show. I'm Rob that's Casey. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I said, I feel like I'm living in the bizarro world, 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: and there's so much of politics is the bizarro world now? 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: It's the traditional way we did Politics really did go 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: out the window when Trump first ran for president. But 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: like I'm watching what's going on and what's going on 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: today at the state House. It's organization Day, which means 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: it's the start of the legislative session. Lawmakers are going 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to reconvene for a day. And there's this like planned 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: protest at the state House at eleven o'clock, gathering for 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: redistricting yads and gathering. And what I mean by when 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: I said I feel like I'm living in the bizarro 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: world is that the policy doesn't matter anymore. We're so 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: on the like the Trump movement is so cult to 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: personality now, where Trump was supposed to be about better policy, 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: but oddly enough, the policy itself doesn't even matter anymore. 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: People will just do whatever because it's Trump, and then 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: we try to work through logically with them why people 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: may not want that, but it doesn't make them anti Trump. 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Know you're against our president and we're going to make 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: you pay. And so what I mean by this is 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and Kayla Dwyer from the Indie Star, who's a fabulous reporter, 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: and I had a great chat about this. She's working 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: on various pieces, and I said, you know, it's fascinating 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: to me because we had a rally at the State 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: House this past spring in which a thousand people showed up, 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: and we were very clear about what we were doing 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: at that rally, which was it was about people being 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: able to afford to stay in their homes. Like property 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: taxes are out of control. They have reached a crisis 33 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: point for many people. We've got to do something that's 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: going to fix this for the people the state of Indiana. 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Correct should be a thing that's universally revered, accepted, embraced 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: by Republicans. Right lower taxes, and in the process of 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: lowering the taxes, we're going to force government to kind 38 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: of get its act together. Right should be a thing 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: that people are celebrating. In mass. Most of the State 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: House resoundingly rejected us. They hid from us, they didn't 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: they didn't engage with They said, like the grand they're purchase. 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: They rejected us to the point where they said, don't 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: even wear green on Saint Patrick's Day because we were 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: all wearing green, and no national people that I'm aware of, 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: whether it's DC Draino or any of these people, were like, hey, 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: look at what these guys are doing. This is awesome. 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: Everybody get behind them because property taxes, we should all 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: agree with, you live in Florida or California or Indiana 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: or wherever, are a horrible, horrible way to fund your government, 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: and they're brutally unfair to the citizen. RLI like, there 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: was no people who got behind us. Everything we did 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: was organic and it was the people of the state. 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: But nobody got behind us for what should be this 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,559 Speaker 1: universally accepted cause of fighting property taxes from the Republicans 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: or the Trump orbit or whatever. But then this idea 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of getting these redrawn maps, which don't benefit anyone here 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: and can't you can't even guarantee they're going to produce 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the two Republican seats. You have all of these outside 59 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: people and some of these lawmakers who are having an 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: aneurysm over it, and I just look at this and go, 61 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: what are we doing? 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: Right? 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: What's going on here? You people are being vile, You're 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: being mean, you're screaming. You don't even live in our state. 65 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: And yet when we were trying to do the thing 66 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: which is what government should be all about, or the 67 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: movement of trying to or the actor trying to move 68 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: government should be all about, which is to produce better 69 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: public's policies that help the people, you are nowhere to 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: be found. But these stupid maps that don't guarantee to 71 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: help anyone, even if you got the two Republicans in there. 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, we're gonna move heaven and Earth and craps 73 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: on because Trump wants it. What are we doing? 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: Well? Many people are arguing that we need these redistricting 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: maps so that Trump can pass his legislation. 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: But he already has control over everything, right, He's got it. Now, 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: Why isn't he doing whatever this great thing is that 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: depends on these two Republicans in Indiana? Maybe existing don't 79 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: even know if they would do. You see what I'm saying, 80 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: like the mental gymnastics that are going on here, and 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm watching this, and then I'm watching how these people 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: are responding to these calls basically calls to battle, and 83 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: it's like, why didn't you do this when we were 84 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: trying to do something to actually help the people. So 85 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: it's not even about the policy anymore. It's not even 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: it's about some at least it comes off as some 87 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: cult to personality or whatever this guy wants. We're gonna 88 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: do whatever we can to make it happen. But we're 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: not even like logically thinking through or explaining why this 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: is the hill we're dying. 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: It's about being able to help him pass his agenda 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: after the mid terms. 93 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: But what what is he Why isn't he passing it? Now? 94 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: He had the opportunity with this bill that I thought 95 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: was supposed to be the end all the awful bill. Yeah, 96 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: I thought that was supposed to be the thing, right, 97 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: So that's past. What are we doing here? And so 98 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I sit and I watch this. 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: Securing the future because Democrats are going to do it. 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: They're going to Jerrymander. So now red states they have 101 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: to redistrict. 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: But the others the NYE for an eye, but we 103 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: are already ahead on the red stage. So you've got 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: Texas offsetting California. So that's a wash. You have Missouri, 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: you have Ohio, you have North Carolina, you have all 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: of those are Republican moves that are going to help 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: And now you got Florida getting in the game. 109 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: But that's not good enough, right, So then it comes 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: back to a total lack of under what appears to 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: be a total disconnect. And I think that's the word 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: I used in these interviews, that I gave a disconnect 113 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: from the governor of the state of Indiana and the president. 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: But look, the Trump is all about Trump. He doesn't 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: care about us at all. Right, that is the name 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: of the game. Whatever benefits Trump, this is about Trump. 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: But a total disconnect from the governor on why people 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: aren't on board with this, And for so many people, 119 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: it comes back to what I've just described, which is 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: we begged for the governor and this legislator, these legislators 121 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: to help us not do some irresponsible or illogical thing, 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: but just help us afford to stay at our homes, 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: and we got basically nothing. But then people are like, well, 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand, why wouldn't you be on our side 125 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: when you're asking us to do this redistricting thing. I don't, 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: and Braun just appears totally disconnected from that. 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: You were called an influential conservative talk radio host on 128 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: WIBC in the CNN art I made to see it end. 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: My mother would be very proud. Parents will do this. 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're like, hey, I saw you in the Indie Star. 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 132 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: I have a daily highly rated radio program, regularly one 133 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: or two in the market. Yeah, but I saw you 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: on seeing it. 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: But they'll and this is the quote, they'll move heaven 136 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: and earth to help Republicans pick up two seats in Congress, 137 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Kendall said. And people are saying, wait a second, you 138 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: won't do anything to help me, but you'll do all 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: of this to help your party. I think that's rubbed 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: people the wrong way. 141 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is. I think people look at 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: people like, I want to play this clip of what 143 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Braun because now Braun has to have adult supervision. Apparently 144 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: wherever he goes he had to bring Marlon Stutsman with them. 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: He did. 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: He was talking about his conversation with Donald Trump now Marts. 147 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: They talked. Carlin also one of the guys who didn't 148 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: lift a finger to help us during property taxes. Boy, 149 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't that have been very helpful to have a US 150 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Rep come in and say, hey, these guys are on it. 151 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: Everybody get down there and help these guys out. Didn't 152 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: say word one about helping us with property taxes, but 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: helping himself in the US House of Representatives, he's all 154 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: about that. And I guess they can't let Braun go 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: anywhere by himself now because it goes so bad every 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: time he goes somewhere. So he was on What News 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Nation with Marlin, who is I guess playing the role 158 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: of adult supervision yesterday for our governor. And again listen 159 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: to Braun talk about this and it's just like there's 160 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: just a total disconnect on what's going on and how 161 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: our state government actually works. 162 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: I talked to him for over ten minutes here earlier today, 163 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: and I think calling the state out. He knows where 164 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: I'm at in this whole navigation. I can call them 165 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: into session, and I did that with plenty of time. 166 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: This has been several months rob where they've been dragging 167 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: their feet, and as more senators started coming forward forward, 168 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: they actually put the wet blanket on it because they 169 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: knew it was going to get there. And that's where 170 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: the Senate protam said they're not even going to gabble 171 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: into session. The House has already said they've got the 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: number of votes needed and they've got to at least 173 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: do it to put pressure. 174 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: On the Senate. 175 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: So this is clearly a Senate leadership group that has 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: no interest in doing this. I mean, this has big 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: implications in terms of the agenda in DC. 178 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: But sir, this is the same Senate leadership that screwed 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: your signature agenda item last year, and you didn't say 180 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: word one when they get gutted Senate Bill one. You 181 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: you were not a fraction as passionate when we were 182 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: begging you, like, what can we do? How do we 183 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: help you? Now we got this man, it'll be fine, 184 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: it'll be all right. When they gutted Senate Bill one, 185 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: where was this passion then something that actually would have 186 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: helped people. Nothing, nothing that even compares to the smidge 187 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: of what he's doing on redistricting. And people see this 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and they go, well, why didn't you do this when 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: it could have helped me? 190 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so now they're signaling some tweaks to send a 191 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: bill one