WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jim Szoke Interview 0:00:21.900 --> 0:00:24.620 All right, let's keep talking Panthers, trying to figure out 0:00:24.660 --> 0:00:28.740 what the heck happened yesterday. 43-13, loss to the Bucs, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.520 Mack and Bone with you. The Texters are fired up 0:00:31.660 --> 0:00:34.769 as you freaking should be. I feel like everybody's got 0:00:34.780 --> 0:00:37.690 to get a shot with the whooping stick. 0:00:38.010 --> 0:00:42.170 We haven't even talked about the most comically awful part 0:00:42.229 --> 0:00:45.850 of a very comically awful day. When the Panthers finally scored, 0:00:45.870 --> 0:00:48.309 you thought, oh, wow, they're doing something here. Good morning, 0:00:48.330 --> 0:00:48.850 Jim Zoki. 0:00:49.229 --> 0:00:50.550 This is great. They scored. 0:00:50.590 --> 0:00:53.010 Maybe they can chip away here. Like the Dolphins game 0:00:53.050 --> 0:00:55.410 last year, they got down early and they came back 0:00:55.630 --> 0:00:57.980 and they won the game. Maybe this is this year's. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.420 Then the extra point gets blocked and all of a 0:01:00.460 --> 0:01:01.350 sudden we're down 19-6. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:01.820 Unbelievable. 0:01:01.860 --> 0:01:04.880 That's what I was saying earlier. Every time Jim Zoki's 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.959 with us, every time so... They did do something good. 0:01:08.500 --> 0:01:10.899 They undid it. Like the defense on the second drive 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:12.500 got to stop. I know it's hard. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:13.540 It's easy to forget now. 0:01:14.100 --> 0:01:16.080 That's when David Moore immediately dropped the football. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.840 And then after that, the defense then held him to. 0:01:20.780 --> 0:01:21.260 A field goal. 0:01:21.459 --> 0:01:22.160 Pretty good job. 0:01:22.819 --> 0:01:25.410 And then Bryce turns it over for if, you know, 0:01:25.420 --> 0:01:26.860 gets a hunt beat. 0:01:27.709 --> 0:01:29.209 Sacked, forced fumble, touchdown the other way. 0:01:29.230 --> 0:01:32.390 It's like every time they did something good, they followed 0:01:32.410 --> 0:01:33.470 it up with something horrendous. 0:01:33.510 --> 0:01:36.130 To Bone's particular point, we scored a touchdown and then 0:01:36.170 --> 0:01:38.470 gave up a field goal. Because we lost a point, 0:01:38.630 --> 0:01:40.150 and then we gave up two more. So we gave 0:01:40.190 --> 0:01:41.580 up three while scoring a touchdown. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.459 So a touchdown was worth four freaking points. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.580 And then we had to kick the ball off to them. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.319 You said Carboni was trying to calculate. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:48.040 He walked by. 0:01:48.060 --> 0:01:49.660 He was trying to do the net of like, so 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.520 what did we just lose? Two? I go, actually three, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:52.770 because we should make an extra point. 0:01:52.780 --> 0:01:53.610 That's a hell of a point. 0:01:53.830 --> 0:01:56.590 So the touchdown, that beautiful pass by Bryce, which is 0:01:56.610 --> 0:01:59.410 about the only one he threw all day, that was 0:01:59.430 --> 0:02:00.170 worth four points. 0:02:00.510 --> 0:02:05.500 Yeah. It was everything. Like you said, it was comically bad. 0:02:06.330 --> 0:02:08.780 The game was ridiculous. At some point, it was just 0:02:09.820 --> 0:02:12.040 people were kind of trying to stick around for halftime 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.859 for the Luke Kuechly part of the thing because you're 0:02:13.900 --> 0:02:16.360 down 27 at halftime. And then we come out to 0:02:16.380 --> 0:02:18.800 start the second half, and it just kept on going 0:02:18.860 --> 0:02:21.760 from there because you keep thinking eventually it's going to turn. 0:02:21.820 --> 0:02:25.430 Maybe we'll get within where it seems like we might 0:02:25.470 --> 0:02:26.950 have a chance here. But it was just one of 0:02:26.990 --> 0:02:29.200 those horrific games to the point where I'm sure you 0:02:29.220 --> 0:02:31.019 played it soundly. Dave Canale says, I've never been a 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.280 part of a first half like that. We had the 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.610 Chicago game this year where he gave up 59, but 0:02:36.630 --> 0:02:37.930 if you think about it, we were tied in the 0:02:37.950 --> 0:02:39.889 third quarter of that game. This game was just like 0:02:40.169 --> 0:02:40.990 nothing from the beginning. 0:02:41.250 --> 0:02:44.290 Fitty said, Dave, how bad were you losing at halftime 0:02:44.330 --> 0:02:46.670 against the Saints in your first year? 0:02:48.770 --> 0:02:51.770 Does that performance make you worry about Bryce at all, 0:02:51.790 --> 0:02:54.590 or do you think that this version of Bryce, he's 0:02:54.610 --> 0:02:57.120 still going to have some bad gains, but This is 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.260 not going to be something that continues on week after 0:02:59.300 --> 0:02:59.639 week now. 0:03:00.100 --> 0:03:02.900 I think, you know, you have to throw it into, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.359 you know, you're going to have ups and downs in 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.859 17 games. And this was a down. I think so 0:03:07.900 --> 0:03:10.460 much of it was generated by we've been saying, like, 0:03:10.620 --> 0:03:14.090 go ahead, Blitz. He loves he thrives in chaos. Well, gosh, 0:03:14.150 --> 0:03:16.330 I mean, there's chaos. And then there's an avalanche because 0:03:16.389 --> 0:03:19.870 I just felt like the protection was so bad yesterday. 0:03:19.889 --> 0:03:23.370 It was a really difficult situation to operate under. There's 0:03:23.389 --> 0:03:25.620 only so much you can do. And so when you 0:03:25.660 --> 0:03:27.560 get sacked five times, and there could have been more, 0:03:27.580 --> 0:03:30.859 I mean, just under constant duress, it's hard to operate 0:03:30.900 --> 0:03:33.730 the offense out there. So I think it begins with that. 0:03:33.930 --> 0:03:35.610 I think Bryce has shown over the first part of 0:03:35.650 --> 0:03:38.070 the season he can perform very well. But you have 0:03:38.090 --> 0:03:40.150 to have some amount of operation space and time out 0:03:40.170 --> 0:03:43.000 there to run the plays. So I do. His part 0:03:43.030 --> 0:03:45.540 of it, too. No question, his part of it, too. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.680 But I think it begins up front with the lack 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.500 of protection and now losing Taylor Moten for it. who 0:03:50.530 --> 0:03:52.860 knows for how long, is difficult. 0:03:52.940 --> 0:03:53.240 Killer. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.400 It was the fastest time to pressure of the season, 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.840 2.4 seconds. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.940 It was getting there quick. Here's the most alarming stat. Bowles' M.O. 0:04:03.020 --> 0:04:03.900 is the blitz, right? 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:04.140 Yeah. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.100 Every one of the five sacks was without a blitz. 0:04:07.780 --> 0:04:08.340 That's what hurts. 0:04:08.420 --> 0:04:10.690 It was just a four-man rush. Regular pass protection. Yeah. 0:04:10.710 --> 0:04:12.810 I think they had Rasheed Walker for giving up three 0:04:12.830 --> 0:04:15.890 of the sacks, six quarterback pressures. It wasn't just him, 0:04:15.910 --> 0:04:17.770 but that was the most of it, at least half 0:04:17.790 --> 0:04:21.190 of it. And then... again, you can only do so 0:04:21.250 --> 0:04:23.560 much operating of the offense and everyone's always going to 0:04:23.570 --> 0:04:25.640 look at the quarterback first. I mean, I guess, you know, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:26.820 you always have to say, all right, we have to 0:04:26.860 --> 0:04:28.640 max protect now. We have to do this. Now it's 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.560 taking you out of what you game planned all week 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.240 for as far as how you're going to operate the offense. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.360 You look at it, we didn't run enough to make 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.080 a difference in the game, but we ran it five 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:36.669 yards a carry. 0:04:36.690 --> 0:04:38.910 They ran it efficiently. It's just when you get down 0:04:38.910 --> 0:04:39.990 78 to nothing. 0:04:40.050 --> 0:04:42.230 What are we going to do? Run the clock out? Like, 0:04:42.990 --> 0:04:44.310 what are we going to do at that point? Ty's 0:04:44.330 --> 0:04:47.050 got a touchdown at the end. So to me, it's like, Yeah, 0:04:47.130 --> 0:04:49.010 it's a bad game all the way around. And I 0:04:49.029 --> 0:04:50.360 know they always say, you know, flush it, move on. 0:04:50.370 --> 0:04:52.109 And you have to because they already had their Monday 0:04:52.150 --> 0:04:54.890 meeting on Sunday to get ready for a short work week. Thursday, 0:04:54.940 --> 0:04:56.460 go into Green Bay. So you do have to turn 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:01.040 quickly in this case because you legitimately, time-wise, have to 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.200 turn quickly to get into the next game. And maybe 0:05:03.220 --> 0:05:07.080 that's the best thing. And this is just an interesting coincidence. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.250 But last year, our worst game of the year was 0:05:09.370 --> 0:05:13.089 at home against Buffalo. We lost 40-9 and went to Lambeau, 0:05:13.210 --> 0:05:17.680 beat the Packers as heavy underdogs. Good point. Can't predict 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.580 exactly what's going to happen, but it shows how quickly 0:05:19.620 --> 0:05:20.730 things can turn in the NFL. 0:05:20.750 --> 0:05:24.090 The trans bone with this team would indicate a bounce back. 0:05:25.500 --> 0:05:25.900 They would. 0:05:26.510 --> 0:05:28.570 Right, Bone? Yeah. 0:05:28.830 --> 0:05:29.450 Bone's like. 0:05:29.529 --> 0:05:30.090 I've never heard. 0:05:29.990 --> 0:05:32.650 Him not respond. I thought he was still saying it. 0:05:32.650 --> 0:05:35.270 I thought he was still talking. I'm not used to 0:05:35.290 --> 0:05:35.930 Matt stopping. 0:05:35.970 --> 0:05:37.089 Bone, help me out. 0:05:37.130 --> 0:05:39.360 Who's with me? Help me out. Anybody? 0:05:39.820 --> 0:05:41.700 Now bounce back and win? I don't know. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.360 Yeah, I mean, you're right. 0:05:43.860 --> 0:05:48.279 This good-bad, good-bad, good-bad situation here would lead to... Although 0:05:48.300 --> 0:05:50.420 the short week, you never quite know. Maybe that plays 0:05:50.460 --> 0:05:51.320 a factor either way. 0:05:51.660 --> 0:05:52.140 I don't know. 0:05:52.430 --> 0:05:54.390 What do you think's been wrong with Robert Hunt this 0:05:54.430 --> 0:05:57.969 year and why he has not... been anywhere near as 0:05:58.029 --> 0:05:59.810 effective as he was when he was healthy a couple 0:05:59.850 --> 0:06:01.589 years ago? 0:06:01.750 --> 0:06:03.850 That's an interesting question. I don't think there's a great 0:06:03.950 --> 0:06:05.650 answer for it because this is a guy that was 0:06:05.750 --> 0:06:08.710 obviously well-paid, brought in, who played very well when he 0:06:08.970 --> 0:06:11.789 arrived and before arriving here. And it's not been up to, 0:06:11.890 --> 0:06:13.920 I'm sure, his standard as far as overall and some 0:06:13.940 --> 0:06:16.360 of the penalties that have happened beyond what's happened with 0:06:16.380 --> 0:06:18.940 the blocking out there, too. So it's difficult. I think 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.980 the offensive line, it's been a difficulty this year that, again, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.300 we talk about Bryce having to perform under chaos because 0:06:25.339 --> 0:06:27.060 he has to You'd like for him not to have 0:06:27.100 --> 0:06:28.720 to perform under chaos. What would it look like if 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.560 he had, most times, pass protection and so forth? And 0:06:32.580 --> 0:06:34.880 there's been a lot of talk about people going, Baker Mayfield, 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.760 he's 7-1 against the Panthers. It's like, he did his part. 0:06:37.820 --> 0:06:41.070 I think that position is more than stats. It is 0:06:41.110 --> 0:06:43.890 a presence. There is a culture. There's a mindset. I'm 0:06:43.930 --> 0:06:45.140 sure they had a sense of, hey, we've got to 0:06:45.150 --> 0:06:48.080 protect Baker today. Let's run the ball really well. That 0:06:48.100 --> 0:06:50.420 was inspired by the fact that. But he threw for 0:06:50.420 --> 0:06:52.780 64 yards. He threw the ball 11 times. They ran 0:06:52.779 --> 0:06:55.080 49 times to 11 pass attempts in the game. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:56.820 30 runs in the first half. 0:06:56.850 --> 0:07:00.410 So Baker's not 7-1. The Bucs are 7-1 because it's 0:07:00.450 --> 0:07:03.000 a collective effort because. I mean, if there was ever 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.620 a game where it was, you could say, all three 0:07:04.690 --> 0:07:07.310 phases that you got beat in, this was it. 0:07:07.410 --> 0:07:09.050 Special teams was brutal, too. 0:07:09.070 --> 0:07:11.730 Special teams, muffed punt, and then also the extra point, 0:07:11.770 --> 0:07:13.690 as we mentioned, getting blocked for two points the other way. 0:07:13.710 --> 0:07:16.030 I mean, does that happen like once in the year 0:07:16.130 --> 0:07:18.860 of the NFL football, of all the games of the league? 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.370 Like about once a year, someone might return one? for 0:07:21.390 --> 0:07:22.250 two points, if that. 0:07:22.450 --> 0:07:22.710 Yeah. 0:07:22.910 --> 0:07:23.970 Once every several years. 0:07:24.070 --> 0:07:25.990 And the luck they had on that one, the way 0:07:26.030 --> 0:07:28.210 it got blocked and drops right in the guy's arms, 0:07:28.590 --> 0:07:32.270 kind of like the fumble of Bryce bounces perfectly for 0:07:32.310 --> 0:07:35.059 Kalijah Cansey. Like, again, and I'm not on here saying 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.360 we lost because of bad luck, but it didn't help. 0:07:37.500 --> 0:07:38.340 It wasn't our day. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.280 By the way, you have triggered walk them down on 0:07:41.300 --> 0:07:44.700 the text line. You, along with every Panther yesterday after 0:07:44.740 --> 0:07:47.540 the game, He says, I swear to God, if I 0:07:47.580 --> 0:07:49.180 hear flush it one more time. 0:07:49.260 --> 0:07:52.200 It's like me after Thanksgiving. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.000 Bone said what they're trying to flush is definitely going 0:07:56.020 --> 0:07:56.880 to clog the toilet. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.950 By the way, it is like a league-wide freeze now. 0:07:59.970 --> 0:08:01.470 It's just because, oh, I just got to flush it. Well, 0:08:01.490 --> 0:08:03.070 there you go. It's over. It's gone. It's down. 0:08:03.310 --> 0:08:06.830 It's that simple. Now, can the fans bone flush all 0:08:06.870 --> 0:08:08.850 the money? I bet they feel like they flushed all 0:08:08.870 --> 0:08:11.380 the money they spent. See, that's the thing. The tone 0:08:11.420 --> 0:08:13.580 coming out of that locker room after the game was, oh, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:14.480 we moved on already. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:15.420 We just had our meeting. 0:08:15.460 --> 0:08:18.120 And it's like, go tell the fans who two out 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:22.410 of three games have seen this defense completely get annihilated. Like, 0:08:22.450 --> 0:08:24.710 that's the thing is, I get it to flush it down. 0:08:24.830 --> 0:08:26.010 It's one thing to lose at home in some dramatic 0:08:26.030 --> 0:08:29.250 fashion or something. They've just completely wasted money from the onset. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:30.210 Exactly. 0:08:30.250 --> 0:08:32.280 Can somebody stand up, and I thought Derrick Brown would 0:08:32.300 --> 0:08:34.300 do it, and say what we did today is unacceptable. 0:08:34.500 --> 0:08:37.220 That's embarrassing. And that tone was not, I don't know 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.220 if Dave just set the tone in the speech and 0:08:40.260 --> 0:08:43.410 they all followed it, but it was like, does nobody 0:08:43.490 --> 0:08:45.910 here feel absolutely humiliated? 0:08:46.610 --> 0:08:49.329 No, I think they do, and they just, you know, again, 0:08:49.530 --> 0:08:51.670 it's probably some media training that goes into that, like 0:08:51.690 --> 0:08:52.030 you said. 0:08:52.230 --> 0:08:53.040 Give me real, man. 0:08:53.050 --> 0:08:55.189 Not to be so quotable, but it was an interesting 0:08:55.230 --> 0:08:57.860 weekend because, you know, the Hornets bounced back, obviously, quickly 0:08:57.890 --> 0:09:00.000 after the 47-point loss. But what a weekend of booing 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.000 we had here. And I said it last week on 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.460 another show. I said, I am never upset about fans 0:09:07.540 --> 0:09:11.200 booing at home because of their financial and time investment. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.910 I mean, especially if you're a season ticket holder. You 0:09:13.950 --> 0:09:18.880 show up early, you tailgate the expense, the anticipation. You're spending, 0:09:18.910 --> 0:09:21.480 if you're a season ticket holder, thousands and thousands of dollars. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.819 And if you're not happy, I mean, it's a natural 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.840 human reaction. I mean, I guess you want to be 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.920 supportive to your team, but I think you are. But 0:09:27.940 --> 0:09:29.240 I think there are some times you're just kind of like, 0:09:29.900 --> 0:09:31.599 you know, it just is what it is. It's a 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.300 bad performance. And so I don't ever get upset with 0:09:34.340 --> 0:09:36.500 fans that boo. I think people take that the wrong 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.089 way because I think they're just, you know, hoping you'll 0:09:39.110 --> 0:09:40.970 turn it around and turn it into a cheer because 0:09:41.390 --> 0:09:43.170 they want you to win as much as the players 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.300 work and try to get it to get done. But 0:09:45.700 --> 0:09:48.320 it's human nature to be upset. I mean, you can't expect, oh, 0:09:48.420 --> 0:09:50.680 it's okay, guys. You'll get them next time. 0:09:50.700 --> 0:09:53.590 Is it wrong, Bone, that I am proud of us 0:09:53.710 --> 0:09:55.329 as a sports city that we booed? 0:09:55.730 --> 0:09:57.309 Because when I got here... We did a lot of 0:09:57.350 --> 0:09:59.970 that this weekend. When I got here, I was all, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.880 proud then. They gave me a lot of examples. 0:10:02.170 --> 0:10:06.280 But in 2024, I should say, when I got here, 0:10:06.620 --> 0:10:08.600 and you know it, Zogue, and you know it too, Bone, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.640 it was a different feel of a sports town. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.699 It was a little bit more of a, oh, you'll 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.960 get them next time, guys. And I don't know. 0:10:16.020 --> 0:10:18.260 Some people might disagree with me. Some people might think 0:10:18.300 --> 0:10:20.589 we've grown as a sports city for the for the worst. 0:10:20.929 --> 0:10:23.430 But I think they're pros. They're getting paid big money. 0:10:23.470 --> 0:10:24.260 They can take it. 0:10:24.590 --> 0:10:27.900 Like, I think this is the way passionate sports towns act. 0:10:27.980 --> 0:10:30.359 I think it's fair and it's normal. The Charlotte Hornets 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.170 are famously known. for playing their first game ever in 0:10:34.190 --> 0:10:36.650 the late 80s, losing to the Cavaliers by 40 and 0:10:36.690 --> 0:10:39.189 getting a standing ovation. That's how we began as a 0:10:39.210 --> 0:10:42.290 professional sports center. I think we're pretty kind overall, like 0:10:42.309 --> 0:10:44.360 you said, compared to Philadelphia and some other places. 0:10:44.650 --> 0:10:46.820 I have a stat here to back up what Mac 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.660 was saying about the trend of the performing better after 0:10:51.700 --> 0:10:55.940 losses like this. In the Dave Canales two-year and now 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.400 change tenure as Panther head coach, He's 12-10 after losses. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.439 The game immediately following a loss, he's 12-10 for a 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.760 545 win percentage. They did it six times last year 0:11:09.179 --> 0:11:10.300 and twice this year already. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:10.780 So you're right. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.949 There is a trend there where he's got a winning 0:11:13.010 --> 0:11:13.950 record after losses. 0:11:14.090 --> 0:11:16.790 And Zoe gave up. The Buffalo brought us the Packer 0:11:16.970 --> 0:11:18.410 one after the Buffalo blowout. 0:11:18.710 --> 0:11:20.829 How about the Bears? Hang 59 on us. We go 0:11:20.950 --> 0:11:21.610 and win 34-3. 0:11:21.770 --> 0:11:22.030 Yeah. 0:11:22.610 --> 0:11:27.030 Albeit against the law firm of Russian Strand. Yeah. What 0:11:27.070 --> 0:11:28.690 do you think about this? That's it, Matt. 0:11:28.710 --> 0:11:29.790 We're winning 34-3 Thursday. 0:11:29.870 --> 0:11:31.829 What do you think about the run defense, Oak? I 0:11:31.850 --> 0:11:35.880 know Jalen Phillips was out, but you said it. They 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.160 looked like they wanted to protect Baker and get through 0:11:39.179 --> 0:11:42.120 a game without him really having to do much, and 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:47.200 we acquiesced and allowed that. 258 yards, just what, five 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.150 games after giving up 291? 0:11:48.140 --> 0:11:51.020 How do you— How do you explain that? 0:11:51.070 --> 0:11:53.590 It's awful. No, it's awful because you had to think 0:11:53.710 --> 0:11:56.570 with Baker's injury that that was going to be their mindset. 0:11:56.710 --> 0:11:58.430 So it's kind of that you know what they're going 0:11:58.450 --> 0:12:00.490 to do and you still can't stop it. And there 0:12:00.530 --> 0:12:03.610 is a cumulative because we think of just defensive lines sometimes. 0:12:04.030 --> 0:12:06.730 At some point, I think you can get by in 0:12:06.809 --> 0:12:10.690 times without your two starting corners, but add Jalen Phillips 0:12:10.730 --> 0:12:13.030 into that. I mean, next man up is great, but 0:12:13.050 --> 0:12:15.670 those are all three well-paid players. So it's like they're 0:12:15.710 --> 0:12:18.120 well-paid for a reason. At some point, you want to 0:12:18.150 --> 0:12:21.150 have your best players out there And it's just sometimes 0:12:21.170 --> 0:12:23.310 it gets you against certain matchups. I think some teams 0:12:23.370 --> 0:12:26.070 are tough matchups. And I think Bucky Irving doesn't get 0:12:26.110 --> 0:12:27.770 enough credit for being one of the best running backs 0:12:27.809 --> 0:12:29.590 in the league. Granted, it was him and Gainwell, so 0:12:29.610 --> 0:12:31.620 it was a cumulative thing that it wasn't just one 0:12:31.650 --> 0:12:35.150 player yesterday in this case here. But, yeah, it's this constant, like, 0:12:35.170 --> 0:12:37.220 you know, lack of tackling. So sometimes they get by 0:12:37.260 --> 0:12:39.580 that first layer, like you need your corner to come 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.760 up or your safety to make a tackle, and they're 0:12:41.780 --> 0:12:43.929 missing two. and all of a sudden it's a touchdown 0:12:43.990 --> 0:12:46.050 or a 30-yard run on something that looks pretty simple 0:12:46.070 --> 0:12:46.290 out there. 0:12:46.309 --> 0:12:48.010 Do they even want to tackle that at Caleb Evans? 0:12:48.030 --> 0:12:50.250 Just when I thought a Caleb Evans covering was the 0:12:50.290 --> 0:12:54.319 worst part of his game, he got stiff-armed so easily, Zoke, 0:12:54.390 --> 0:12:55.320 it was like a toddler. 0:12:55.380 --> 0:12:56.680 It was like they were stiff-arming a. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.120 Toddler, man. Yeah, and the one touchdown pass, it's like 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.699 we were as close to the receiver as he was. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.020 It was just so much space there. So again, they're 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.940 going to have to adjust things and maybe make some 0:13:07.980 --> 0:13:11.980 shuffling of the lineup with some situation, but secondary help 0:13:12.030 --> 0:13:13.980 along you know we talk about the linebackers and the 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.540 defensive front it's a collective effort out there in terms 0:13:16.580 --> 0:13:18.760 of being able to tackle that uh you rely on 0:13:18.780 --> 0:13:20.739 the secondary that last line of defense. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.260 Yeah god dang this this texter would like zoki to 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.980 start at corner this week. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.199 Same result would happen i would tell you that it 0:13:30.220 --> 0:13:32.140 would not be a better result any speed off the 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.660 torn Achilles are you still okay Yeah, it's the same 0:13:35.740 --> 0:13:37.579 lack of speed that was there in high school. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.890 Imagine the cushion. People don't like cushions. Imagine the cushion 0:13:40.910 --> 0:13:42.530 Zoki would give on those Packers receivers. 0:13:42.550 --> 0:13:44.030 Zoki, what sports did you play? Keep it in front 0:13:44.070 --> 0:13:44.230 of you. 0:13:44.270 --> 0:13:46.410 What sports did you play in high school? 0:13:46.450 --> 0:13:48.950 I played football, but I mostly played baseball and basketball 0:13:48.970 --> 0:13:50.910 all the way through high school. That's nice. 0:13:50.970 --> 0:13:51.730 Look at that, baby. 0:13:51.750 --> 0:13:52.530 You would do Jim Thorpe. 0:13:52.740 --> 0:13:54.640 Oh, they're going to say the same thing. 0:13:54.660 --> 0:13:55.340 Jim Thorpe Zoki. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:55.660 Yeah. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.320 Well, I should mention, not well. I played several sports, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.880 but none of them particularly well, unlike Jim Thorpe. 0:14:03.140 --> 0:14:06.420 We got a great question here, 704 number. Does Zoki 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.040 hate these segments after losses? 0:14:08.230 --> 0:14:08.490 Yes. 0:14:08.550 --> 0:14:11.530 I feel like you guys interrogate him like he was responsible, 0:14:11.890 --> 0:14:14.809 not to mention the texters that for some reason seem 0:14:14.850 --> 0:14:15.650 to blame him. 0:14:16.650 --> 0:14:19.410 Zoki, we want the truth! Come on, Zoki, tell us! 0:14:19.490 --> 0:14:21.970 I'm only the conduit to the information that is there 0:14:22.170 --> 0:14:22.930 with the team itself. 0:14:23.940 --> 0:14:25.780 But yes, I think the answer is I think he 0:14:25.820 --> 0:14:26.340 doesn't like these. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:26.930 They're not as fun. 0:14:26.940 --> 0:14:27.680 But he's a professional. 0:14:27.700 --> 0:14:28.400 They're not as fun. 0:14:28.460 --> 0:14:28.800 Definitely. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.239 I was hoping to do a Packers preview edition of 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.870 this one, but we'll save that for another time. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.130 That's what you should have done. Imagine how mad that. 0:14:35.050 --> 0:14:36.810 Texter would have been. I'm here for the Green Bay preview. 0:14:36.830 --> 0:14:37.890 What are you guys talking about? 0:14:38.030 --> 0:14:39.990 If you said, I'm flushing it. I refuse to talk 0:14:40.010 --> 0:14:41.150 about it. I'm here for Green Bay. 0:14:41.170 --> 0:14:43.390 I said before, I'd like to move my segment, not 0:14:43.430 --> 0:14:45.290 this week at Winter Work, but to Fridays, because Friday 0:14:45.310 --> 0:14:48.000 would be another— recap day on friday it's a happy 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.040 friday while we're here we need a flush sound effect 0:14:50.060 --> 0:14:50.560 for the rest of. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.640 The show there is no doubt about it this dude 0:14:54.660 --> 0:14:57.739 says when you hire an nfl coach that should be 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.960 a a youth camp counselor this is what you get 0:15:01.980 --> 0:15:04.650 boy they turned quickly i know that's the thing too 0:15:04.850 --> 0:15:08.010 i will say so We were, as a fan base, 0:15:08.050 --> 0:15:09.230 pretty high going into that game. 0:15:09.250 --> 0:15:11.070 We're still in first place. We're still in first place. 0:15:11.090 --> 0:15:12.650 I know it doesn't feel good, but we're still in 0:15:12.670 --> 0:15:13.170 first place. 0:15:13.250 --> 0:15:15.710 Like, we can vent, but do we need to, like... 0:15:15.790 --> 0:15:18.790 Somebody said, if we lose this week, is Canales getting fired? 0:15:18.830 --> 0:15:20.550 And it's like, I don't feel like we need to 0:15:20.650 --> 0:15:23.090 turn that dramatically that fast. 0:15:23.130 --> 0:15:24.550 I can promise that will not be the case. Okay, 0:15:24.580 --> 0:15:26.380 thank you for that. That one we can predict will 0:15:26.390 --> 0:15:26.700 not be the case. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.580 Thank you for that. All right, Zoke, you're the man, baby. Hey, guys, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:29.860 flush it, right? You're the man. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.680 That's right. Flush it. I wish who was ever in 0:15:33.700 --> 0:15:38.060 the lobby bathroom earlier today would have done the same courtesy. 0:15:38.100 --> 0:15:40.390 That's my bad, Joe. I don't know. 0:15:40.410 --> 0:15:43.030 Is it the weekend crew? What's going on here? There's 0:15:43.050 --> 0:15:45.550 like paper towels rolling out of the bathroom into the lobby. 0:15:46.870 --> 0:15:48.370 What was going on here this weekend? 0:15:48.390 --> 0:15:48.590 I know. 0:15:49.170 --> 0:15:49.890 What do these people eat? 0:15:50.010 --> 0:15:51.200 Yeah, what kind of food. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.700