Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome to another episode of The Frame Second Podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm hot with any of My name is Mike me.
Speaker 3: I have Spike.
Speaker 2: Across from Spike, I have Ken Can, I have Rod.
Speaker 2: And today we are discussing shows that went on too
Speaker 2: damn long, and I am going to start.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start with Rod. What you got?
Speaker 5: What's your first one? I feel like the obvious one
Speaker 5: is Walking Dead.
Speaker 2: I meant to make myself go first and I forgot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Walking Dead went way way too long once they
Speaker 5: realized that, and it's still long.
Speaker 4: I can't. I don't even watch it anymore.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people start falling off, like like
Speaker 5: when they started seeing people just kind of falling off,
Speaker 5: it's time to wrap it up, Like it's time.
Speaker 4: It's time to wrap it up, y'all.
Speaker 5: And the fact that y'all are still going with this show,
Speaker 5: it's crazy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Norton Read is like maybe two days ago, just said
Speaker 2: he's done.
Speaker 6: Oh really, because he just the Daryl Didson that's the
Speaker 6: last season, or.
Speaker 3: I said, this is it? He said, after fifteen years
Speaker 3: of playing Darryl Dixon, he's done.
Speaker 6: Yeah he yeah, dog, just just because I haven't watched
Speaker 6: the last season. Last season, yeah, and I know y'all
Speaker 6: tried to.
Speaker 5: Tell me, yeah, but I'm like, nah, I'm good, y'all.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dead.
Speaker 5: I'm walking dead out, I'm walking dead out man. So yeah,
Speaker 5: this ran way too long. They could have.
Speaker 4: Man, they could have wrapped this up really well.
Speaker 2: They could have, but because those first I was watching
Speaker 2: the first season just because it's on Pluto. That was
Speaker 2: when I was getting up and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this show used to be so fucking.
Speaker 3: Good man, yeah, so good, and then it just.
Speaker 4: All apart, right, Yeah, it could have.
Speaker 5: It could have been in the talks, like like how
Speaker 5: we talk about the wires.
Speaker 4: And sopranos, if you just would have wrapped it up nicely.
Speaker 2: And just leave it alone, just just give us five
Speaker 2: solid yeah, and then stop it.
Speaker 5: You're going for money grabs, and that's why you're messing
Speaker 5: up the fucking seasons.
Speaker 4: We don't need this, yeah, man, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Fifteen seasons. It's insane. I'm still talking.
Speaker 4: About the one with Rick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the main one technically ended, but then they just
Speaker 2: there's been three fucking spinoffs and they've all been bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Maggie Show was decent, but then it just got
Speaker 2: it got bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Walking Dad, that is a good one. Ken
Speaker 3: What you Got for your first.
Speaker 6: One one of my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 4: But twenty four mm hm you think it went on
Speaker 4: too long?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, we're used to the the idea
Speaker 6: of the show, and they didn't really introduced any different villains.
Speaker 6: It was always people overseas, so and you know, I
Speaker 6: think it just got the Jack is my guy forever bro.
Speaker 6: But it's just like, how many different ways can you
Speaker 6: tell this story? And that was that was the issue
Speaker 6: for me after a while. And then they brought in
Speaker 6: another a black guy. They brought in a black twenty four.
Speaker 3: I didn't even watch that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched the first episode.
Speaker 3: Always late.
Speaker 4: Was first episode.
Speaker 2: He's already late, God damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was a dude who played in straight out of
Speaker 6: comfortable yep, yep. So when you start doing that, it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: but yeah.
Speaker 3: Four don't need black power. No, all right, that's a
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 4: Like what you Got, you.
Speaker 7: Gonna go with Weeds. If y'all watched Weeds that came
Speaker 7: on Showtime, Nancy Botwin, It was really good when it started,
Speaker 7: like that was one of those shows like that kind
Speaker 7: of to start prestige TV. You get you must watch,
Speaker 7: and then it just got crazy when the kids started
Speaker 7: spoiler killing people and she started dating the cartail balls
Speaker 7: it was, It got wild, but it started out as
Speaker 7: a really strong show.
Speaker 1: So Weeds definitely went on.
Speaker 4: That is a very good one.
Speaker 1: That is a very good one.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: So for my first one, since Rod took while I'm dead,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Ken didn't take this, but Heroes, Heroes should
Speaker 2: have ended after one season. Heroes had no fucking business
Speaker 2: making that trash ass second season, and it sure as
Speaker 2: fuck had no business bringing this ship.
Speaker 3: Back fucking eight years later and being bad again. What
Speaker 3: are you to do it? How do you keep making
Speaker 3: this mistake? Because the first.
Speaker 2: Season was phenomenal and I keep wanting to go back
Speaker 2: and rewatch it, but I can't make myself do it
Speaker 2: because I know that it ends on the cliffhanger and
Speaker 2: there's nothing that.
Speaker 3: Makes it good.
Speaker 2: So Heroes is definitely mine, Rod, What is your second?
Speaker 5: My second one, it's kind of similar to to Walking Dead,
Speaker 5: like because it started creating other spinoffs or whatever, and
Speaker 5: I think that's they shouldn't have did that. It was
Speaker 5: obviously going after that money grab. But Power Power. I
Speaker 5: feel like the regular season itself with Ghosts is fine,
Speaker 5: but then you try to go out of these money
Speaker 5: grabs and just extend the series, and I always was
Speaker 5: against that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just think that it's running way too long. There.
Speaker 5: There's some we've gotten some good stuff out of it,
Speaker 5: like the Raising Canaan. I think we had some good
Speaker 5: seasons with that. You got Forced with Tommy and then
Speaker 5: you got the Tyree two. It's like, come on, y'all,
Speaker 5: another one. Oh my god. Yeah, see that's just crazy.
Speaker 5: That's just ridiculous. They just need to cut it out,
Speaker 5: just stop it. Just tie this up in the bowl.
Speaker 5: Just let's go ahead and end this thing. Stop trying
Speaker 5: to go after the month for this series and just
Speaker 5: ended like it's just too much. Man, it's too much.
Speaker 5: People are really trying to hold onto this. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that's another one. I just kind of let go. Even Kanean.
Speaker 5: I like Kane Raising Kenny, but even that it's getting
Speaker 5: out of it. I thought I was getting out of here,
Speaker 5: and I didn't watch their last one. I still hadn'tatch
Speaker 5: y'all watched. Yeah, I still at even haven't watched that.
Speaker 4: I mean, we were, we were reviewing it. We're not
Speaker 4: even reviewing it anymore. It was good, Mike. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you ever went back and washing it. It's
Speaker 4: the best one was like one of the best ones
Speaker 4: out of yeah, of all of them.
Speaker 3: But I think I only watched a little bit of
Speaker 3: the one that Tarik was on, and I was like.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, no, not that one, you can I launched
Speaker 5: that even though even though yeah, yeah, yeah, even though
Speaker 5: that one got more tolerable a little bit. But still,
Speaker 5: it's just I like that it's unnecessary. It's unnecessary. It's unnecessary.
Speaker 4: After the first episode Power the originally liked the original.
Speaker 4: You didn't watch none of it. We got watched all
Speaker 4: of it. Bro, we got some good ghost money moments. Man,
Speaker 4: that's something.
Speaker 1: We got some good ghost moments. Man was quotes ever
Speaker 1: was bro? He was He told his wife, I just
Speaker 1: lost the woman.
Speaker 4: World.
Speaker 5: Dare you how fucking dare you got?
Speaker 3: It was funny.
Speaker 5: It wasn't it was a perfect show. It wasn't a
Speaker 5: perfect show. But man, we got some money. We got
Speaker 5: some moments from Power God. All right, So Ken your
Speaker 5: second one scandal.
Speaker 6: I never watched good seasons, and the first couple of
Speaker 6: seasons were fire, yes, and then they just just kept
Speaker 6: It's like at some point they just ran out of
Speaker 6: the ship to do and yeah, it just I don't
Speaker 6: want to say anything for the people that I don't
Speaker 6: know if anybody will ever go watch it, but yeah, Carrie,
Speaker 6: Carrie Washington, Olivia Pope was the man, and then they
Speaker 6: just she was still powerful, but they gave her too
Speaker 6: much power and then that became an issue. Then there
Speaker 6: was in fighting and all kinds of other ship just
Speaker 6: started happening. Then they did a crossover between that and
Speaker 6: How to Get Away with Murder. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 6: in the last the last season episodes. Season seven, Yeah,
Speaker 6: did a crossover, which was cool. But yeah, then yeah,
Speaker 6: it was it was just, yeah, it just became unbelievable.
Speaker 6: So but yeah, Olivia Pope was though man.
Speaker 1: She was it. But yeah, they just they just went too.
Speaker 3: Far, all right, one of these days.
Speaker 5: All probably always said I was going to give it
Speaker 5: a try, but I just ain't finished to get away
Speaker 5: with either.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Spike, second one, what.
Speaker 7: You got second one I have is prison break, my boy,
Speaker 7: Michael Schofield dirty by the ending of like that. Those
Speaker 7: first two seasons of television are incredible, and then you
Speaker 7: get the season three it's like, all right, bro, like
Speaker 7: it ain't too much, but you know, more prisons is
Speaker 7: the breakout of Like that's the flow of having a
Speaker 7: show where you break out of prison, because once they
Speaker 7: get out, and then it's like, okay, what are we
Speaker 7: doing now? Yeah, now you got to go back to jail,
Speaker 7: your worst jail and break out of this one even
Speaker 7: less uh material, Like now, bro, I don't believe it.
Speaker 7: And then the ending was one of the worst endings
Speaker 7: to a series I've ever ever scene.
Speaker 2: Shows liked on my list, but I just have not
Speaker 2: been able to hit play because it looks like it's
Speaker 2: gonna be stupid.
Speaker 7: It's not stop after the first you're going to enjoy
Speaker 7: the first two seasons so much, and in this disrespect
Speaker 7: that they put, they disrespected the fans with the finale, Well.
Speaker 3: All right, maybe I won't bother then we'll see, all right.
Speaker 2: So for my second I have a show that maybe
Speaker 2: only maybe Spike is seen, but I doubt y'all have
Speaker 2: watched it.
Speaker 3: But thirteen Reasons why, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Watch that, Yeah, we reviewed the first one. I thought
Speaker 5: we reviewed the second one too, because it's only two right.
Speaker 3: And that, yeah, it's either two or three seasons.
Speaker 2: That sure should have ended after the first season, because
Speaker 2: the first season, to me, was great. It was a
Speaker 2: very tight show explaining why this woman unlived herself. It
Speaker 2: was four seasons, yeah, yeah, and it just gets worse
Speaker 2: and fucking worse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fucking worse.
Speaker 2: It's it's disrespectful because the first season was done so
Speaker 2: well with these letters and breaking down what's happening, and
Speaker 2: then you get to the end and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is so fucked up. It was a
Speaker 2: perfect ending for a show. And then they're like, Nope,
Speaker 2: let's let's let's add three more seasons to this and
Speaker 2: follow around people that we don't give a fuck about.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, that's a good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean they're doing the same thing with Task. They
Speaker 6: bringing that back for no reason. No, I think they're
Speaker 6: just trying to do some night true detective ship.
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's what makes no sense, That's.
Speaker 3: Right, all right.
Speaker 2: So third and last, Rod, what you got?
Speaker 5: I think I told you all about this show, but
Speaker 5: I I started watching it and honestly, man kind of
Speaker 5: like what you said, Like, I just feel like it
Speaker 5: was it's slightly different.
Speaker 4: It's killing Eve. Anybody's seen Killing Eve.
Speaker 5: It's list to watch. But yeah, but it just begins,
Speaker 5: it just starts to get cool. It's like they're running
Speaker 5: the story. I don't even know if it's ended now
Speaker 5: it's on this fourth season. I don't even know if
Speaker 5: that was the season finale. I hadn't even looked into it.
Speaker 5: But really, after the first season, it's like they just
Speaker 5: couldn't capture what that first season was, and like, I
Speaker 5: feel like they just should have started wrapping it up
Speaker 5: because it's just like now you're just trying to trying
Speaker 5: to do shit, Like you're just throwing shit at the wall,
Speaker 5: and it's like, Okay, what are y'all doing? Like you
Speaker 5: just kind of see it kind of spiraling out of
Speaker 5: control story wise, and it's just not as intriguing as
Speaker 5: it as it was. So I feel like this is
Speaker 5: one of those one where y'all just should have just
Speaker 5: made it a limited series and it would have been perfect.
Speaker 5: I think I think it would have been perfect. Y'all
Speaker 5: just made this limited series. Like I said, I'm not
Speaker 5: even sure if it's still going on.
Speaker 4: Let's see.
Speaker 5: I know it's on this fourth one and it could
Speaker 5: have gotten better, but the second season just wasn't what
Speaker 5: the what the first one was or it was either
Speaker 5: the third one one one with the first two words,
Speaker 5: remember how that went. But yeah, it definitely starts to
Speaker 5: like kind of lag after that first season.
Speaker 4: So yeah, killing it would be my last one?
Speaker 2: All right, killing eve Ken? What you got for your
Speaker 2: third and last Blacklist?
Speaker 6: With James s Pader Mike the first couple of seasons
Speaker 6: fantastic television. Bro, Like, it is great, the mystery they
Speaker 6: built around it, Bro, this guy is the absolute truth.
Speaker 1: What's his name, James, Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of the.
Speaker 3: Red Red Oh yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 6: Bro, he's great, Like he's he's a master of this
Speaker 6: criminal underworld enterprise and he has this this connecttion to
Speaker 6: this FBI agent and they build up mystery and mystique
Speaker 6: and intrigue and.
Speaker 4: Then somehow, some way it just all fell apart.
Speaker 7: Those twenty two episode seasons, I think it is, and
Speaker 7: it still comes on today, right.
Speaker 6: It's done. It's the yeah, because they made a really
Speaker 6: poor decision and you know, and they and I still
Speaker 6: don't know why they kept going. Yeah, but yeah, they
Speaker 6: just kept going and going, and I think they're just
Speaker 6: stopping all of these criminals that are like specializing in areas.
Speaker 4: They're almost like super villains, you know.
Speaker 6: And and he because he's part of it, know how
Speaker 6: they all operaate, has all these connections and he saw
Speaker 6: these these uh you know, these crimes and then there's
Speaker 6: this connection with the FBI agent and all kind of shit.
Speaker 4: Bro it.
Speaker 6: It is really really great and it just the facts
Speaker 6: just fell of art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: All right, Blacklist Spike.
Speaker 4: Last one is Californication.
Speaker 1: Yeah you seen. I heard it was good.
Speaker 7: It is really it's witty, it's funny the first couple
Speaker 7: of seasons, but then they just milk it as far
Speaker 7: as like like real in the last season, random like
Speaker 7: like because it's not the type of show that would
Speaker 7: he actually did a job, but he was like they
Speaker 7: had a Dayton making Good and then it was it's
Speaker 7: just just just like it just completely dropped the shot.
Speaker 7: And like Making Good was smitten with David Koon, like
Speaker 7: like she was super attracted to him, which I did
Speaker 7: not believe at all, But it just it went from
Speaker 7: a witty, funny, like smart show to like, okay, they's
Speaker 7: just it's over over the top, like I't doing way
Speaker 7: too much, but it is worth checking out.
Speaker 1: There's some really funny moments.
Speaker 3: Okay, I still got it there.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we only have one more and that's mine. But
Speaker 2: it's still recording something.
Speaker 6: Okay, weird you like a two or three minute oh yeah,
Speaker 6: the whole episode?
Speaker 1: Like well, damn.
Speaker 2: All right, Well from my last one, I had to
Speaker 2: pick between two, and I think I'm going with Orange
Speaker 2: is the New Black.
Speaker 3: It did not need seven seasons not to tell.
Speaker 4: The story of this little white girl that is thrown
Speaker 4: to jail.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted, I can't say that I necessarily disliked the later seasons,
Speaker 2: but they didn't have the magic of the earlier seasons
Speaker 2: because once they broke every I don't know if y'all
Speaker 2: remember or even.
Speaker 4: I just still hadn't finished.
Speaker 2: You didn't finish it once they This isn't a spoiler,
Speaker 2: but once they kind of broke people up and started
Speaker 2: putting them in different prisons, it was like, why are
Speaker 2: y'all doing this? The magic of this show is everyone
Speaker 2: together and doing all this crazy ship in this prison
Speaker 2: but now that you've moved people all over the place,
Speaker 2: it's like, why am I watching this? I don't care
Speaker 2: about this? And then I don't care about this. I
Speaker 2: care about this together. So yeah, the last the last,
Speaker 2: at least the last season and a half, I remember
Speaker 2: just being like, wrap this up, be because I think
Speaker 2: we're over it.
Speaker 1: So honorable mention is from.
Speaker 3: Still enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I'll enjoying, but I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I want some answers, but I'm
Speaker 2: still cool.
Speaker 4: Watch I enjoy and killing.
Speaker 5: It did stop at four, but I still think for
Speaker 5: it's probably too many, all right, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: What was the other one?
Speaker 3: My other honorable My honor I mentioned was Handmai's Taale.
Speaker 4: Okay, I wanted to watch that, but I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I never got around yet watch it those first like
Speaker 5: two three seasons.
Speaker 3: I can't remember how many seasons it was.
Speaker 4: Is it over? It's over?
Speaker 3: And the last season was fucking stupid. But for anyone that's.
Speaker 2: Watched it, it's like the whole story of Gilead was
Speaker 2: so goddamn good, and the whole story of her trying
Speaker 2: to get out of Gilead was so goddamn good.
Speaker 3: But then when it became oh she's out, nope, psych
Speaker 3: she's back in. Oh she's out, nope no pa haa haa,
Speaker 3: she's back in.
Speaker 2: It was like, all right, man, this is dumb. This
Speaker 2: is fucking dumb. But I still think it's worth watching.
Speaker 2: I still think it's worth watching.
Speaker 4: It's one of the.
Speaker 2: Most heavy shows I've ever seen. Again, there's not a
Speaker 2: single happy moment. And this God, every fucking episode is
Speaker 2: like god, it look.
Speaker 3: These women.
Speaker 2: But when you watch it and you start looking at
Speaker 2: what's happening today, it is wild super because when you
Speaker 2: watch the show, you're like, oh, this could never happen.
Speaker 3: Then it starts happening.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that was my honorable mention to anybody quickly
Speaker 2: have any honorable mention they want to throw out there.
Speaker 4: I thought somebody was gonna say Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: I don't think necessarily that Game Thrones went on to
Speaker 2: long ended.
Speaker 3: I just think it ended bad. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 3: it was what five eight eight?
Speaker 1: It was eight seasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well take that back.
Speaker 4: To the last three episodes, right.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm ever thinking like this show is
Speaker 2: getting really stupid.
Speaker 7: It's just the last three episodes when like the Mirror
Speaker 7: de Naris like turn Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yes, it just did not end well.
Speaker 2: If it ended well, it would have been a super
Speaker 2: legendary eight season show. See the fact that I thought
Speaker 2: it was five just kind of shows like it didn't
Speaker 2: drag on. Ah, Okay, y'all can't do it like me
Speaker 2: didn't drag all right, anybody else?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we all right.
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