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Speaker 1: I'm Rob, that's Casey. It's the Kendall and Casey Show.

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Speaker 1: And look, we're going to just feel our way through

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Speaker 1: it today because the story that kind of not kind

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Speaker 1: of completely captivated the nation yesterday was the assassination of

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Speaker 1: conservative pundit commentator Charlie Kirk. And you know what's interesting

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Speaker 1: to me, Casey is and I had a long conversation

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Speaker 1: with my wife about this, because she's been a consumer

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Speaker 1: of his content much more so than I have for

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Speaker 1: a long time. I said, and it's a conversation that

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Speaker 1: you and I have on this program quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: which is that we can't make anybody do anything. Like

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Speaker 1: the hatred of any any media person just blows my

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Speaker 1: mind because you don't have to consume it, like you're

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Speaker 1: under no obligation at any point. No person is to

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Speaker 1: engage in any person in the media. If you don't

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Speaker 1: like their online content, block them, you know, other than

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Speaker 1: if somebody's sharing something in your feed, you never see them.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like the program, whether it's a podcast

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Speaker 1: like a Charlie Kirk or radio program like ours, turn

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Speaker 1: it off. The people us the media, we have no

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Speaker 1: control over your life. Charlie Kirk had no control over

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Speaker 1: your life. He's not an elected person. He's not the president,

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Speaker 1: he's not a governor, he's not a senator. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to exist in anyone's orbit that didn't

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Speaker 1: want want to hear or see him, the same way

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Speaker 1: we don't have to exist in anyone's orbit that doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to consume or see us. And yet some person

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Speaker 1: or people, obviously the culprit or culprits are still as

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Speaker 1: of the beginning this broadcast, still at large, had something

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Speaker 1: so that's so much hate in their soul, that's the

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Speaker 1: first part of it. But that's something so terribly wrong

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Speaker 1: with them that they felt the only recourse was to

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Speaker 1: assassinate some guy who was just out having a conversation

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Speaker 1: with people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone couldn't handle him on an intellectual level, so

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Speaker 2: they resorted to violence. That person, who was still at large,

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Speaker 2: by the way, had a choice to not engage with

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Speaker 2: his platforms. They couldn't handle it. And my question is

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Speaker 2: what did it solve?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and by the way, if you want to

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Speaker 1: watch a stay on the YouTube, mam sterull I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of people there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: problem in the description. It says Tony Katz in the

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Speaker 1: Morning News. Obviously it's Kenill and Casey Show. You can

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Speaker 1: look for the WIBC feed. So if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: us today for some reason, and it's still labeled as

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, but we are live, we are on the YouTube.

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Speaker 1: If you just put WIBC into your YouTube search bar,

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Speaker 1: you'll find us WAT. Just clearly, hundreds of people are

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Speaker 1: already doing that, So people are finding it. But we

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Speaker 1: just wanted to put that out there, and so throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of the day today we will talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about the life and the legacy of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot about what this means for our

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Speaker 1: country because free speech is under assault. That's what this

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Speaker 1: that's what this was. Maybe where we can or should

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Speaker 1: go from here. And then you know, in the backdrop

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Speaker 1: of all of this, it's the twenty fourth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, which obviously was horrific in the sense

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Speaker 1: that three thousand people lost their lives, but also while

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Speaker 1: it's the mourning of those people and the morning of

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Speaker 1: our country's never been the same since nine to eleven,

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Speaker 1: the actions of our own government post nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: et cetera. The country never re establish itself, but it

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Speaker 1: was at the same time. And I've always tried to

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Speaker 1: do this on our shows that are anniversaries of nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven, highlight the HURROI it was the best of

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Speaker 1: America too, and highlighted the best of who we were,

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Speaker 1: the people, the firefighters, the police officers, the people at

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Speaker 1: who were working in those buildings, the people.

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Speaker 2: Who ran to danger instead of running from it.

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Speaker 1: Right, who were willing to give their lives or did

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Speaker 1: give their lives, the people on the plane in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: that took the plane down so it wouldn't hit the

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Speaker 1: White House. And so you know, I've always tried to

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Speaker 1: have a plan really for today's show. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: do know Nick Nikki Kelly will join us at ten fifteen,

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Speaker 1: as she always does a lot of stuff going on

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Speaker 1: the state. We'll get to that stuff too. But Casey

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Speaker 1: was like, what do you want to do today? And

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Speaker 1: I said, we'll just feel it out as we go,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think you can plan through a day

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Speaker 1: like this. What I do know is another thing I

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Speaker 1: do know is we I had forgotten this, and my

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Speaker 1: wife reminded me I had interviewed Charlie Kirk about three

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Speaker 1: years ago. He was at an event in Indiana and

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Speaker 1: I interviewed him. And so next hour, ten.

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Speaker 3: O'clock, we will play the interview, the interview, and you

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Speaker 3: just say, like when we'll get to his legacy and

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Speaker 3: his life and all those sorts of things, because it

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Speaker 3: will leave a colossal void in the influence of young

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Speaker 3: people in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is going to ripple outwards. It's

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Speaker 2: going to shape media narratives, political discourse, cultural memory. His

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Speaker 2: death is going to it's going to shape politics, digital discourse,

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Speaker 1: Sure, and without knowing, in a weird way, it almost

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Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. It was just I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, without knowing who the person is or what

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Speaker 1: they did, but it doesn't even matter. It doesn't even

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Speaker 1: matter who the person is or why they did it,

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Speaker 1: because there's no there's no acceptable reason to do it.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that's not abhorrent beyond belief in terms of

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Speaker 1: the action that was taken yesterday. But I think the

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Speaker 1: if there is because we always try to have sort

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Speaker 1: of threads throughout the course of the show. I think

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Speaker 1: the thread today will be that free speech in this

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Speaker 1: country is under assault. And I was on with Hammer

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Speaker 1: and Nigel yesterday afternoon, and you know, they asked me

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Speaker 1: because I was at the I was at the park

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Speaker 1: with Livy playing when I did the interview with them,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching her and like you know, I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: them and they asked me the question. They said, look,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not getting it exactly right, but

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Speaker 1: they said, you know, you're very out there, right, just

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Speaker 1: like this guy was very out there. Are you ever

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Speaker 1: concerned for your safety? And I said, well, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because Charlie Kirk was far more congenial about his engagement.

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Speaker 2: He was very respectful in his debates, right.

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Speaker 1: And this is maybe because I served It was like

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Speaker 1: a prisonson right, Like I served time in the system.

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Speaker 1: I am the political version of a brawler, right. Like

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Speaker 1: to me, it's like, you want to fight, not literally fight,

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Speaker 1: but you want to have an ideological fight. Let's have

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Speaker 1: a fight, right, Like, I'm going to call you out.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say exactly what I think of you,

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Speaker 1: because that's what I would want you to do to me.

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Speaker 1: That's what people did to me when I was an

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Speaker 1: elected person. No tears here. But if you compare like

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Speaker 1: a style like I have to a Charlie Kirk, he

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Speaker 1: just sat there, He let people have their say and

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Speaker 1: then calmly responded to them. This is about hating the

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Speaker 1: existence of a human being that the guy. It was

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Speaker 1: a hatred that the guy was allowed to live. And

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Speaker 1: so their question like, do you get concern to some extent,

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Speaker 1: there's always some level of concern, but you can't live

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Speaker 1: your life that way. And I like, I had these

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Speaker 1: conversations with my old man when I was young, because

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Speaker 1: he was a federal law enforcement officer and dealt with

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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. And he's telling me that

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Speaker 1: all the time. He's like, people sense fear. I remember

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Speaker 1: my dad telling me this one as a kid. I say,

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Speaker 1: are you ever afraid of dealing with these people? He

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Speaker 1: said no, he said, people sense fear, and you can't

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Speaker 1: live your life in fear, and fear is what these

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Speaker 1: people want. And if you think about it, and we'll come

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Speaker 1: into this a little bit later when we talk about

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Nine to eleven in the attack. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was about the death and calamity of what they

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Speaker 1: were able to accomplish that day, the terror they being

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Speaker 1: the terrorists, but it was also about altering and changing

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Speaker 1: the American course of life.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Stephen in reporter in the YouTube chat and I were

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Speaker 1: just just talking about this thing the other night when

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Speaker 1: we got together, about about do you live your life

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Speaker 1: and fear, And the answer is you can't do it

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Speaker 1: because then those people win. You have to take your precautions.

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Speaker 1: You know. People know I very rarely ever leave my house.

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Speaker 1: There are reasons for that. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: stop coming in here every day. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: stop talking about the things that are important to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop calling out the politicians, just

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Speaker 1: like Charlie Kirk was not going to stop calling out

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Speaker 1: the politicians. You can't, you can't. You can't live in fear.

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Speaker 1: You cannot live in fear.