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Well, now they've set a date on redistrict 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: thing about Well we'll get to him here in a second, 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: but you know, so. 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: Let's start all it all ties in together. 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: Well, this is fascinating to me that we talked about 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: this on this program before. So the legislator the General 43 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: Assembly has now come out and said we will convene 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: for redistricting the first week of December. 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 3: Yes, why because they don't want to be here right now. 46 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: They don't want to be here period right Well. Also 47 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 3: to the thing is when governor had just to re said, 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 3: Governor Brown wanted to you know, bring the bring lawmakers 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: back to draw a new mass, which is not going 50 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: to happen because lawmakers said the're on the votes there. 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. And so he originally 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: said November third, which was a couple of days ago, 53 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: as they as the day film to come back. But 54 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: just because you said a day film to come back, 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: does not mean they have to come back on that day. 56 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: They have forty days. Forty days because when they did 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: the abortion sself a couple of years ago, the governor 58 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: called like early July, they came like now two weeks later. 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: So there's so this president for the legislatu're not necessarily 60 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: coming on day one, and so what they're going to 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: do is come back in December because by then, because 62 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: you've got Thanksgiving, you've got holidays, and people have to 63 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: change their schedules, and that that's not going to happen. Okay. 64 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: The problem this, though, is just a few weeks ago 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: bron said it had to happen by middle of November 66 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: or there's not enough time to get everything done that 67 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: needs to get done related to, you know, all the 68 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: local clerks and everything else. And now he appears to 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: have forgotten that he said that because it's gonna be 70 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: the first of December. 71 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: It's funny to bring that up because I've been having 72 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: some conversation with some county clerks across Indiana. They're all 73 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: saying a duel. It's not just drawing a line on 74 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: a map. There are a lot of the things that 75 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: have to go in that we have to draw. We 76 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: have to if the congression lines are redrawn, they have 77 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: to redraw precinct lines as well, and also not only 78 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: have to redraw lines for preesting committee people. You got 79 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: to say conventions coming up, because it's a convention year. 80 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: It's twenty six and so whoever's gonna be delegates, they 81 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: got to get their filing that And it's not just 82 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: drawing a line on a map. And calling the to day. 83 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: Why didn't he just do this in August? If he 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: was gonna do it regardless, why did he string it out? 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: Because he I mean the I guess he was he 86 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: being braun, was trying to build some sort of momentum 87 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: for this. However, all he's done is build momentum in 88 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: the opposite direction. 89 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: Everything that they have done. It's like opposite day. It 90 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: is what it is, and it's opposite day. We're gonna 91 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: do property taxes. Well you really didn't do proper text, 92 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: just pissed people off. We're gonna do healthcare. Well you 93 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: really just pissed people off. We're gonna do this. So 94 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Mike Brown is not stupid. No, he's 95 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: a sharp guy. He's a smart guy. But his political 96 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: instincts have just been so wrong on this it makes 97 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: a questions. He's a good businessman, but good good businessmen 98 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: don't necessarily have good political acumen. Now, I was told 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: by reliable source on I think this was Monday. I 100 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: was told you one. Maybe I don't know that. 101 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: There is now a growing not consensus, but a growing 102 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: feel among the House members because the belief is they 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: have the votes in the House, maybe not by a lot, 104 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: but they have the votes to do this. That the 105 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: Senate is not going to budge. They're not going to 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: are they don't. 107 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: Have the votes. 108 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: And we'll get to this Greg Good town hall in 109 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: just a minute, but that they are not going to 110 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: budget and now they're going to make a decision. Do 111 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: we horribly embarrass the governor by going through the exercise 112 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: and letting it fail, or do we just gavel in 113 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: and gavel out? And there are some who say it 114 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: may be more effective just to gabble this thing in 115 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 2: fix the tax issue, aligning that they have to align 116 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: the state tax code in federal tax code. That is 117 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: a housekeeping operation. It happened with the tax reformed the 118 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: last time they did it. Or do they say, hey, 119 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: screw it, he wanted this, let's give him it, We 120 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: warned him. 121 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: Let's give him a dose of his own medicine. I 122 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: think I think a little bit of both. I do 123 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: think that I do think they want to fix the 124 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: tax situation. That makes perfect sense to get all that 125 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: in line, because people go start of filing taxes come 126 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: come January. That that makes that to me makes perfect sense. 127 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: But to come in and why why should we do 128 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: something we know is not going to pass the Senate. 129 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: They would look like we just wasted everybody's very valuable, precious, 130 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: precious time. So that's why I can see the House 131 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: of Green too. We'll come back on in that early 132 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: time in December, we'll pass the tax bill and we'll 133 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 3: just leave it at that. 134 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is going to be a disaster for 135 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: Braun if he doesn't get it done, because this is 136 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: all on him. He's the one pushing this. 137 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: I would say, And it'll it will be a disaster 138 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: from Braun in the sense that whoever promised the Trump 139 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: administration we can get this done couldn't get it done. 140 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the second we will be if 141 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: indeed it goes down the second colossal failure in a 142 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: year for him, property taxes and now this, and it 143 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: kind of shows he don't got any juice. 144 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: And not only do you not have any Jews, you're 145 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: also pissing off the legislature because you're going to be 146 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: here for at least three years. Yeah, and so you 147 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: want you don't You don't want your first year to 148 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: get off on a bad foot because because first impression 149 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: are usually the lasting. 150 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: Sure impressions. You know, I remember you and I we've 151 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: been doing the show a long time. 152 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: Yes, we both had more hair. 153 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: Well mine's back thanks to the find folks that we 154 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: grow hair Indie. But we talked about Curtis Hill when 155 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: he got elected attorney general. You got to spend your 156 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: first year building it's find out big ideas and it's 157 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: great to run on him, but if you're you got 158 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: to spend your first year figuring out a way to 159 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: make all that work and make your priorities work. And 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: if you just come in and start beating people over 161 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: the head, it ain't gone in well. And it didn't 162 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: in well for Curtis, and it does wear to be 163 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: going well for Braun. His little trade secret. 164 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: You know this. I don't think the audience knows this. 165 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: When Curtis Hill first got elected, I got a call 166 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: from him like, hey do it? Could you come by 167 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: my office on Thursday? I want to talk to Like sure, 168 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: I like you, good guy. And his staff was there like, hey, 169 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: what's going on here? We'd like to offer your job 170 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: as our communications guy. Oh wow, I'm thank you. I'm flattered. 171 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: I mean I used to do this before back in Illinois. 172 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: So I worked with attorney generals before, but I'm kind 173 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: of happy where I am right now. Plus there's some 174 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: money relateditions. I think you guys could afford me technically, sure, 175 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: but I'll give you some free advice. Don't make any 176 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: ways your first year. Learn where the bathrooms are, get 177 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: to know people. The first African American Republican attorney general. 178 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: So you're like, you know the unicorn, go to fundraisers, 179 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: help them raise money, and just build and just build 180 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: good relations, build chips in the system. You never know 181 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: when something stoup is gonna happen and you're gonna need him. 182 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: And he did not do that, didn't They didn't listen 183 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: to my braun did not do that either. 184 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: It's fine to come out and say, hey, we think 185 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: Holcomb did a b C D. In the case of 186 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: Holcomb E F G H I J K L M 187 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: and OP wrong and here's what we can do to 188 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: fix them. But they're not getting any of that accomplished. No, no, 189 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: whatever whatever Eric did. And I thought Eric did fine, 190 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: but come on, I mean, when you see the ied 191 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: C stuff, even you got to look at that and 192 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: go oh that, I'd. 193 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: Say it was perfect. I said he did fine, that 194 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: was bad. That's very bad. Yeah, but every every every 195 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: administration gets some kind of scandal, doup. 196 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: Every administration had hundreds of millions of dollars that could 197 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: have been blatant corruption. 198 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: And he pens fssay. You know, the list goes on 199 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: and on, on and on and off. If you're not 200 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: you're not administr So she don't have a scandal. Yes, 201 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: but I will say this by not building those relationships 202 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: early on, Ron two steps forward, but like five steps back. 203 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: Right, So let's talk about this town hall. It took 204 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: place over the weekend in Tara hate. Greg Good, he 205 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: was a he was he is a Republican senator took over. 206 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: It was John Ford, right, Tara hot, Yeah, Tara hate, 207 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: which you know, look it's republican but not super republican. 208 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: And he has this town hall on redistricting, and for 209 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: all the huffing and puffing of the internet influencers, not 210 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: one person showed up to speak. Literally, according to multiple reports, 211 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: not one person showed up to speak in favor of redistricting. 212 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: There was a line out the door. Were you there? 213 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: I wasn't there, Greg and I we spoke earlier that week. 214 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: Is like a duel were talking about the format was like, oh, like, 215 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: we'll just talk later on sure, And there was one 216 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: person in favor of redistricting. Seventy plus people spoke again 217 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: against it. That'll for seventy something people to come together 218 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: on a Saturday morning and tell you that we don't 219 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: want this, that I'll tell you everything you need to know. 220 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: And it's so weird, like it's everything we've been saying, 221 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: It's everything the poll results have bore out, which is, hey, yeah, 222 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: the hardcore base of the Republican Party probably wants it, 223 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: but the people at large don't. If you're in a 224 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: swing district, why would you do this. What's fascinating to 225 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: me is there are people who are still trying to 226 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: excuse this away, and it's like, well, it was only 227 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: Democrats that showed up. Well, if Republicans want it so bad, 228 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: why didn't they show up? 229 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: Exactly? You couldnt even get one person to raise their 230 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: end and go I'm kind of in favor of this, 231 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: And how do you know they were Democrats? Well right, 232 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: well exactly. 233 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: But it is fascinating to me that they keep seeing 234 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: this in real time, the polling these town halls, and 235 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: yet like the governor came out. It was like, oh, no, 236 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: people really want this. This is just a sort of 237 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: left wing manufactured whatever. I don't understand why they're so 238 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: wed to doing this when clearly the public at large 239 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: take away the base of your party, which they probably 240 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: do with the public at large doesn't want it. 241 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 3: And not only does the public not want it, the 242 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: public's like, no, there are much bigger issues that we 243 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: can be talking about right now, like, for example, healthcare, 244 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: property taxes. We just had a bunch of referendums in Indiana. Yeah, 245 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: so I would say, in a in a perfect world 246 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: where where whereas where's happiness and unicorns and sunshine, a 247 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: lot of the pops and rainbows, you can afford to 248 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: talk about that crap. But until then you got other 249 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: more serious related issues that need to be addressed. Yeah. 250 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: People look at that and they say, you don't care 251 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: about us. Yep, you're doing this for yourselves, not for us. 252 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: And if you don't believe me, look at Virginia, New Jersey. Okay, 253 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: So let's uh. I want to talk about something close 254 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: through by the way, status happenings. Rob Kendall del kIPS 255 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: you abou Jim or he's not been fired he'll be 256 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: back with us next week. 257 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: He's tending to other matters. 258 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: There were there were two high profile school referendums, actually 259 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: six across Indiana. 260 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: Well that's right, Yeah, there were two. There were two 261 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: big ones. 262 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: So I want to talk about two because I think 263 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: they sort of tell us something, isn't You and I 264 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: have talked about for years on this program. And they 265 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: were Avon and Allen County, right, and so Allen County 266 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: is Fort Wayne. The Avon one passes easily. 267 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: Avon. 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, most people assume 269 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: hearing this to west side of Indianapolis, Indiana right off 270 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: for thirty six, it's I call it the middle truck 271 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: between Brownsburg, Avon, and Plainfield. Now that this was continuing 272 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: a referendum, they were not adding a new reference. They 273 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: were continuing a referendum, which is still a referendum. But 274 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: that one passes. The one up in Allen County Fort 275 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: Wayne fails. And I look at that, and it's something 276 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: that you and I have talked about, which is if 277 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: you were gonna because I think you're gonna see a 278 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: bunch of these referend them start popping up after cinnebil 279 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: one you can beat them, but you gotta have organized opposition, 280 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: and you gotta be able to do doors. You gotta 281 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: be able to put signs in yards, and you gotta 282 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: be able to talk to the community about what's going on. 283 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: If you ain't gonna do that, you might as well 284 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 2: just pack it up because they're gonna pass. 285 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: And I also look at referendums from another perspective as well. 286 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: To me, referendums are not necessarily about the money. Referendums 287 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: about the relationship that the school district has with its taxpayers, 288 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: right with its citizens. And people feel good about the schools. 289 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: They think they're getting good the kids are getting a 290 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: good education. They think that the teachers deserve more money 291 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: than people don't mind investing in their school districts. But 292 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: if you don't have that relationship, why are you here. Ah, 293 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: here's a perfect example. It's like when I was in 294 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: my college days, I'd call my mom and dad asked 295 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: for money. My dad like, son, you know you only 296 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: call us when you want money, Like, why don't you 297 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: call your mother? Says ask her how she's doing? Yeah, 298 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 3: And so that's like, hey, dad just called to say hello. 299 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: Then the next time I called i'd ask for money, 300 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: then I get it. But don't just call your parents 301 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: out of the blue and say, hey, dad, mom and dad, 302 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: I need money, and don't build that relationship. It's the 303 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: same thing with school districts. 304 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: It also is fascinating that these lawmakers. I saw there 305 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: was an article somewhere I forget where it was, but 306 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: they're talking about Senate Bill one and how now they're 307 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: saying in this upcoming legislative session, oh, we got to 308 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: make more changes to this. And it's like there's almost 309 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: an acknowledgement from these lawmakers. We passed a disaster. But 310 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: shouldn't you have seen it was going to be a 311 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: disaster when you I mean, I'm saying from a disaster 312 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: from the same one of everyone hates. 313 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: It or or at the very least in the perspective 314 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: when Cinnebill one was passed. Make it perfectly clear, ladies 315 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: and gentlemen, this is not perfect by any stretch of 316 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: the imagination. We're going to fix this, which one what 317 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: they probably shouldn't is delay it's going into effect. 318 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: Well that's what they're talking about doing now, especially with 319 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: this local income tax increase stuff that these mayors because we. 320 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: Said when they did this like these mayors are just 321 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: going to sprint to. 322 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: Pass these income tax increases, and this good district's gonna 323 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: sp sprint to do these referendums when you don't put 324 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: if you know your kid is going to quote unquote misbehave, 325 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: you can't put them in an environment where they can misbehave, 326 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: and they go, I'm shocked they misbehaved, and there's gambling 327 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: going on here, right exactly. So I did think that 328 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: was interesting that you had two big school corporations, Avon 329 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: and Fort Wayne, and yet they had very different results. 330 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: But also to you also going to look at some 331 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: of the personalities of those respective districts, because Northeast Indiana 332 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: is a much different cultural tax creature, so to speak, 333 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: than West Central Indiana unless you got me living in 334 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: your community in West Central India. Well yeah, but then 335 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: again also too, something else that I'll want to bring 336 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: up in the whole referendum thing is our our good 337 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: friend mister Beckwa showed up knocking on doors and the 338 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: lieutenant like, why are you here? You don't live here, 339 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: You're you're not from here. Do you want the story 340 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: behind that? Yes, Oh you don't know, Well I know 341 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: I knew he was knocking on doors trying to defeat 342 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: the referendum. I'm like, but I'm thinking like it was 343 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: more rhetorical. Why are you here? 344 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So in the what I've now dubbed the last 345 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: supper with me and the governor, the final time we 346 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: were in each other's presence, and I knew this was 347 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: going to be the final time we were gonna see 348 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: each other in any sort of pleasantries. He had said 349 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: when he was laying out this property tax bill that 350 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: he was going to sign on to, which became said 351 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: at Bill Watt, and I said, who's gonna fight all 352 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: these referendums that are gonna pop up everywhere? If you 353 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: signed this thing? Well, he said, I will go knock 354 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: on doors. I said, everybody in this room see that. Everybody, 355 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: everybody hear this, because I gotta feel and that ain't 356 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: gonna happen. 357 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: And it didn't happen. 358 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: Mike bron didn't knock on a single door of these 359 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: any of these referendums. 360 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: He uh. 361 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: And then Becklett said, you know later that during that type, 362 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: y'all do it too, And so then nobody was showing 363 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: up to knock on any doors. And so I started 364 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: publicly shaming him, and he couldn't stand that, so he 365 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: wasted a Saturday going out knocking on doors where I 366 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: sat in the comfort of my own own home with heat, 367 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: watching college football, and it's still passed. 368 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: Right and me that that was a bigger thing. I 369 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: would argue, the biggest loser in the and the in 370 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: the whole school referendum thing was Lieutenant Governor, because you 371 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: went on a limb is stuck your nose in other 372 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 3: people's business. You have no business here. To me, referendums 373 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: don't bother me. If people want to raise their own taxes, 374 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: that to me, that's perfectly fine. I have no qual 375 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: I have no problem with that. Just make sure it's 376 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: level playing field, not using no school. 377 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: But it's not a level playing field when you can 378 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: have hundreds of school employees go out and organize and 379 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: knock on doors for their own pay benefit. 380 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: That is not an organized playing field. But they but 381 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: Americans beat the British and American Revolution. Yeah again, not 382 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: every community has me right. 383 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: But but but like in my mind when I had 384 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: said that to Braun, I knew he wasn't ever gonna 385 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: go knock the door like, hey, you got to be 386 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: part of an organized opposition, and boy, what a great headline. 387 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: They'd be governor and Lieutenant governor. Come help the help 388 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: the peasants that you just going and knocking on five 389 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: doors three weeks before the election or two weeks before 390 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: the election, not gonna do anything other than a photo 391 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: op for yourself. 392 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 3: And they lost. And it's actually easy to do because 393 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: you get the precinct lesson figure who voted in Republicans 394 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: primary and who did what, Like I go to Okay, 395 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: here's a donor, here's a friend, here's a friend. 396 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: Well this is the but this is the thing with 397 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: the score, Like I knew that able when it was 398 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: gonna pass, because they were telling me that little opposition 399 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: there was nobody even knows this is going on. 400 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: So well then you're done. You have to have. 401 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: People very aware not only what's going on, but what 402 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: the actual impact of them is going to be. 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You took some sort of large, 446 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: high powered bazooka to him. On your Hindi politics website. 447 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: What is going on uh uh Micah beck with the 448 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: Lieutenant governor who's who's a big fan of both of us. 449 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: Uh these days SAT's name three times? So fastle up 450 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: here out of nowhere. 451 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 452 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 3: He went on the morning show on WHOO that's the 453 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 3: radio station in Ford Wayne. They're kind of like the 454 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: WBC radio of Ford Wayne, Indiana. Uh huh, and he 455 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: talked about some things that were going on in his office, 456 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: and he also talked about, uh, the the the grand 457 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: jury investigation that we've told that is looking into the 458 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: governor's Yes, the liutatda governor's office. 459 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: So we have been talking about this on this program 460 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: others for a long time, that the Marrion County Prosecutors 461 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: Office is looking into Micah Beckwit's office. 462 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: And we even said exactly what it was. 463 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: We said, it's artificial intelligence, bography, allegations of artificial intelligence, 464 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: pornography and. 465 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: Ghost employment and goes employment. 466 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: And we said there's also a grand jury that has 467 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: been what I don't convene or whatever the word is, 468 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: and we said they're looking into this as well. Didn't 469 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: say anybody did anything, did anybody's guilty of anything, did 470 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: somenybody's gonna be convicted of anything. Didn't say anybody was 471 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: even gonna be indicted for anything. We just said looking 472 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: into this and they were so not happening, made up 473 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: smear this and blah blah blah, and then came out 474 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: was it last week, Hey, there's a grand jury exactly. 475 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: They're looking into ay I porn and uh ghost employment exactly. 476 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: And he went on and who dogged me? Dog you said, 477 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 3: this isn't happening. I never saw the video, which we 478 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: know for a fact that it was still going on. 479 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: So because still doesn't exist, like okay, so why would 480 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: a grand jury look for something that doesn't that's not there? Cool? 481 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: And to be clear, there there was an allegend, at 482 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: least one we know of because she told the story 483 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: on our Kennel and Casey Show and on your Indie 484 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: politics website. Aaron Sheridan say her name, She identified herself 485 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: former advisor into the office. Claims that two individuals were 486 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: viewing AI porn in the office. They showed it to her. 487 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: She described it in great detail. She claimed that those 488 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: individuals said that the Lieutenant governor was aware of the 489 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: AI porn and then she also claimed Aaron Sheridan claimed 490 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: she took her objection or whatever complaint to shry Elis, 491 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: the chief of staff for the Lieutenant governor. She did 492 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: nothing about it. Now there Mike has said, not all 493 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, right, did that? None of that happened? He 494 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: claimed he did an investigation, then admitted he didn't do 495 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: any sort of forensic analysis, didn't bring a third party, 496 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: and didn't bring state police in. So I guess we're 497 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: just down to asking his guys, hey, did. 498 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 3: You do that? 499 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: No? 500 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: Okay, investigation done here? Yeah, and then and the other 501 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: part of that too is not only is there a 502 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: grand jury looking at this whole situation, I having on 503 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 3: very good authority that instructions have been given to the 504 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: staff people. I don't know if it was mister beckwether 505 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 3: shehry Elis or someone, and someone in Lieutenant Governor's office 506 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: has basically told staff people do not cooperate with the 507 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 3: grand jury. Can you do that? No, you can't. Oh 508 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 3: that's felling it. 509 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: Oh you can tell somebody, don't You cannot tell somebody 510 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: don't cooperate. 511 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: Right, and particular if they're employees of yours. Now, if 512 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: you have nothing to hide, why would you say that exactly. Now. 513 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: What I thought was interesting about that interview because and 514 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: by the way, everybody should go read of tools piece 515 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: of in the politics, because I listened to the interview, 516 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: is that he the lieutenant governor and he just can't 517 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: stop talking. He can't stop hearing the sound of his 518 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: own voice. And for a guy who now knows and 519 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: has acknowledged finally that his office is under investigation by 520 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: the Marrion Kenny Prosecutor's office and a grand jury, he's 521 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: doing the worst thing imaginable just talking. 522 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did go ahead because one of the 523 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: things I always tell you is shut up, don't talk. 524 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: If you must make a public statement. I've been told 525 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: there's a grand jury. We welcome into investigation into our office. 526 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: You'll find that we've done everything above board. We maintain 527 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: the highest ethical standards. Blah blah. Use the standard line 528 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: and then shut up and don't say anything else else. Yeah. 529 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: A couple of things that stood out to me, and 530 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: then he touched on some of these in your piece. 531 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: One is he's going after the prosecutor, Ryan Meers, who 532 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: is is a Democrat. But why you would insult the 533 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: guy who hit your future is held in his little palm. 534 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 3: That is beyond stupid to me, particularly when things can 535 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: go either way. I was always taught Abdul, judges and 536 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: proscues will always be fair. We always treat you right now, 537 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 3: always treat you fairly. But if you if they can 538 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: go either way and they can justify going out of 539 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: the way, why get on the judges wrong side or 540 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: the prosecute is wrong side? Yeah? Why why? Why piss? Why? 541 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: Why why pick a fight when it's not necessary? Absolutely, 542 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: I have no idea why he will. Oh, I mean, 543 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: I know why he would do that. 544 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: But the other thing is he's talking about according to 545 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 2: your Indie politics piece, and I'm you know from memory 546 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: hearing this article, he's talking about someone who in his 547 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 2: office who cooperated with the prosecutor's office. And yet then 548 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: he also claim James, he only heard about the grand 549 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: jury from the media. See, this is what this guy does. 550 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: He can't keep track of all the things he said, 551 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: and especially when he's rolling in real time. So on 552 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: one hand, he fed up from the grand jury from 553 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: the media, but then on the other hand, he acknowledges 554 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: this person in his office who he knows has talked 555 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: to the Mary Kenny prosecutor's office. 556 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: What did he think they were doing? Playing tittley winks? 557 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: Is there a commandment that says dawshon not bear false witness? 558 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: Because when he a bar false witness, you got to 559 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: keep the story straight. You never have to remember the truth. 560 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, am I the only one who heard that? 561 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: Was like it seems like he kind of contradicted himself. 562 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: There, no, no, he did? You heard him? 563 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: Right? 564 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: All right? He is all that being said? And we 565 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: know the guy's a habitual liar. We know what he is. 566 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: But you can be a habitual liar and be a 567 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: politician and an elective official they're all over the place. 568 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: Doesn't make you a criminal, doesn't make you guilty of anything. 569 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: Do you think because he is the number two ranking 570 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: official in the state of Indiana, as ridiculous as he 571 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: may be, and if Merors comes after his office, whether 572 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: it's Micah or people in the office or whatever, that's 573 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: going to be a massive story and very controversial. Do 574 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: you think that ultimately, as you know probably more than 575 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: I do about all this, you have more sources than 576 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: I do, that there that this is gonna be something's 577 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: gonna go forward? Or do you think it's gonna be 578 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: something you know, three months or now we're gonna be like, 579 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: I guess that ended up being a whole bunch. 580 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: If there is if there is proof or evidence that 581 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: the Lieutenant governor told his staff and instructed his staff 582 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: to not cooperate with any sort of grandeur investigation into 583 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: their office, then it is game on and game over 584 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 3: because those are felonies. Those A classics and class five felonies, period. 585 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: And if you are convicted, if you're if you're charged 586 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: with a felony, you do not have to give up 587 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: your office. But if you're convicted of a felony, you do, 588 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: plain and simple. So I would say, it is not 589 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: it is not out of the realm. It is in 590 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: our universe now, not necessarily our galaxy, but it's in 591 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: our it's it's in our reality. Okay. So and before 592 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 3: you let you go. 593 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: The other thing that I thought we got about a 594 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: minute left here that I thought was interesting about this 595 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: is he was advocating on this radio interview for this 596 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: proposal to basically take the mile square away from Ryan Meres. 597 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, if anything's gonna. 598 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Turbo charge this guy to go fast, now he hears 599 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: you out there advocating take away as authority to be. 600 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: Able to police the Lels Square. And here's the other 601 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 3: part too, there's some cons social issues with all that 602 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: because the county prosecutor is a is a prosecutor for 603 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 3: the county. Yes, And you can't do that unless you're 604 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 3: going to change the constitution. And for somebody supposed to 605 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: be you know, mister constitucial scholar and teaches lectures on 606 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: the Constitution, you might want to go read the damn thing. 607 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: Well. And like I said, I mean, they wouldn't be 608 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: able to get that to even if they passed it 609 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: in this session. 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