1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartbland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: I'm not taking vaccines away from anybody. 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: The same answer, Right, you're just going to deny that 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: when people can't get access, that you're not taking it away. 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: Then let me ask you, is that the same game 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: you're going to play with me? 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 4: Answer? 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: You want me to recommend every product in the world. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 4: Without any clinical trial. 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: Data through on your promises. 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, My promise was to give them a. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: Month ago we could get covid vaccines by just walking. 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: You can still get covid vaccines. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: Senator taking that away, you are. 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Still you can still get the COVID vac Care will 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: still be paid for them, and MEDICAIDS will help me. 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: Head of the CDC that if she refused to sign 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: off on your changes to the childhood vaccine schedule, that 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: she had to resign. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 5: No. 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: I told her that she had to resign because I 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: asked her, are you a trustworthy person? And she said no. 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: If you had an employee. 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: Who told you they weren't trustworthy, would you ask them 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: to resign? 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 6: So Elizabeth Warren losing her head, Bernie Sanders next to 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 6: her losing his head. This is happening as we're talking, 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 6: Tony Kats. Tony Kats today the hearing with Secondary of 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 6: Healthy un Services Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who I believe 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 6: is winning the day less than my god, this has 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 6: been nuts. The past couple hours have been as certifiable. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 6: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be with you. 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 6: If you don't have bourbon, my god, what are you 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 6: waiting for? Grab something a bourbon? A milk chick, I 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 6: don't milkschacks? 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: Sound good? And listen it's getting rough. 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: What changed? And by the way, a month ago you 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: were voting against because you thought she was either incompetent, ineligible, 40 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: or unsuited to the task. 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: I was afraid she was going to bend the need 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: to you and Donald Trump. And it looks like she 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: didn't bend the knee, so you fired her. Look you're 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: putting amop his babies. 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: America's Senior's health at risk, all Americans health at risk, 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: and you should resign. 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: Senator Sanders, good guy. 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 6: They all wanted to resign. He ain't going no place. 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 6: He's winning this fight on vaccines and making America help 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 6: me again. 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: The whole thing. He's winning the fight. Now, I will 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 4: tell you that I am not. 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 6: With him, she said on the vaccine conversation. I'm not 55 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 6: with the Florida Surgeon General completely on his conversation because 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 6: I'm not anti vaccine, but certainly the COVID vaccine has 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 6: made everybody very, very. 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: Skeptical of everything. 59 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 6: Let's take an out of the Secretary and Senator communist 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 6: Bernie sand So. 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: That I fired her because she refused to sign on 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: in advance for the ACIP committee. No, that's not accurate. 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 5: All right, if you're calling her a lawyer, and I 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 5: look forward to her coming before the Help Committee, maybe 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 5: this committee as well. All Right, mister the Secretary, I've 66 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 5: got a bunch of questions. Appreciate brevity and answering it. So, 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 5: it's got a beautiful bill through fifteen million Americans off 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 5: of health care, substantially raised premiums, and it's going to 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 5: have a terrible impact on nursing homes, community health centers, 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: rural hospitals all over America. 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: Very briefly, it's not really making. 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 5: America healthy again. 73 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: It's going to have it. It's going to be the 74 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: biggest infusion federal dollars into rural health care in American history. 75 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know why, because you're cutting one hundred and 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 5: fifty billion dollars for rural hospitals. You're running fifty billion back. 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: That's not an infusion, that's a loss of one hundred 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 5: million dollar billion dollars. All right, next question. 79 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: So he's not interested in answers, He's just interested. 80 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 6: I don't usually utilized for some kind of campaign. 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 5: From the history of much. 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 6: He Wantsie wants a long time world will communists loves 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 6: your money agrees with Trump. 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 5: Lancet study founded it prevented almost twenty million deaths during 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 5: their first year of use. Secretary Kennedy, President Trump in 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 5: the medical community, right or do you still believe that 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 5: the COVID vaccine was quote the deadliest vaccine ever made. 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: I first of all, I didn't say that. I said 89 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: that in terms of of airs reports a while ago. 90 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: I've said today I think that President Trump should get 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: to know about Bright. 92 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: So who's right? 93 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: Is Trump is the medical community writer? Are you right? 94 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: President Trump did an extraordinary piece of leadership? 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 5: Is he right or wrong? The COVID say millions of lives? 96 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: As I said, he got Americans coming vaccine at that time, 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: that particular vaccine which perfectly imagined the virus that was circulating. Man, 98 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: and I have no idea how many lives, say, but 99 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: it's saved quite a few. 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 5: You know what, I find a little bit weird in 101 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 5: this discussion. I'm hearing it over and over again this morning, 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 5: mister chairman. 103 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: Is why old medical community. 104 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 5: On one side, you have the AMA representing hundreds of 105 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 5: thousands of doctors, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American 106 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: Public Public Health Association, all of these organizations are telling 107 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 5: us that COVID vaccine and vaccines in general are safe 108 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: and effective. You are casting doubt on that. Who are 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 5: your scientific Who are the organizations that are agreeing with you? 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 5: If you want to go down vaccines? 111 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: The the prime Maria advisors are Marty McCarey, jay By 112 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: Chara doctor Oz. 113 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 5: Then I pursue You've got a few doctors who agree 114 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 5: with you, and I'm giving you the few doctors what 115 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 5: you're talking about. 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: There's a big different, Senator between established science and the 117 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: scientific establishment which has been co opted by the pharmas hallo. 118 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 7: So you're telling me you're the American people that the 119 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 7: American Medical Association, representing hundreds of thousands of people, have 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 7: been co opted and that. 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 5: They should not trust their doctors. 122 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 7: And I'm the American Academy of Pediatrics the head. By 123 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 7: the way, just for the record, every single Republican. 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 4: I don't mean to be BUSI the establishment for the 125 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: farmas of no matter. Why are they all corrupt as well? 126 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: And I'm telling you the American Heart Association has been 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: co opted by. 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 4: The everybody but you, Senator. 129 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 7: But you know what, when you read for president, you 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 7: know we have a corrupt campaign finance system. 131 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 5: Maybe you will agree with me or that. Okay, you President, 132 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: you got a billionaire behind it. 133 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 7: You received three hundred thousand dollars from people, not from 134 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 7: the industry people in it, as I did from individuals. 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: You corrupt. President Trump got three million dollars. 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 7: Every Republican got corporate pack money for the pharmaceutical industry. 137 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 6: Democratics, let's just stop this for a second and get 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 6: into what we're talking about here. He wants to scream 139 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 6: and yell about something that doesn't matter. It's not even 140 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 6: a part of the conversation. The question about vaccines is 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 6: a legitimate one. Are we a society that believes in 142 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 6: vaccines or not. It is clear that there has been 143 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 6: a posturing from the political left about Robert Kennedy's position 144 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 6: on vaccines. But he just told you that the COVID 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: vaccine put together by operation warp speed for that strain 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 6: of COVID save lives. That's from Robert F. Kennedy Junior. 147 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 6: You heard it. That's not a guy who's anti vaccine. 148 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 6: Are we discussing being opposed to the idea of a 149 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 6: vaccine in general, or are we discussing the idea of 150 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 6: whether or not we can discuss a vaccine. If you 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 6: tell me that the medical establishment approves of this, I'm 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 6: not allowed to question the medical establishment. The scientific establishment 153 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 6: told me that the sun revolves around the Earth, and 154 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 6: then one guy said, ah. 155 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: But the establishment said that doesn't mean anything to us. 156 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 6: If you tell me there's an establishment of doctors, some 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 6: medical board that says it's okay to mutilate children and 158 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 6: tell boys they can be girls, doesn't make it right, 159 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 6: makes it insane, And tell that board to go, you know, 160 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 6: pound sand or something far worse than that. So that's 161 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 6: not an argument. What Bernie Sanders is putting forth is 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 6: not an argument. Bernie Sanders is trying to put forth 163 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 6: is let's discredit the guy as opposed to discussing what 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 6: the guy is saying. 165 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: Robert F. Kennedy Junior is on the political left. I 166 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 4: didn't support him for Secretary of Health and Human Services. 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: I still wouldn't. 168 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 6: But is there any question on whether or not when 169 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 6: it comes to this whole Maha thing, he's winning. Make 170 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 6: America Healthy Again is winning. Later you'll hear me on 171 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 6: the Sean Spicer Show. I was on the show, and 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 6: he does a thing where he picks winners and losers, 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 6: and I won't give you the loser. 174 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 4: You'll have to watch the show yourself. But my winner 175 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: was Robert F. Kennedy Junior. Because this thing is working, 176 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 4: moms are in, parents are in. 177 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 6: Finally somebody realizes that my kid is ingesting crap and 178 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 6: I can't be with them all day long. And maybe 179 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 6: if we can regulate other things, we can do something 180 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 6: about this. Now that's for the vaccines. I'm in a 181 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 6: very different place and I'll get into it. With what 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 6: happened with the Florida Surgeon General, they will no longer 183 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 6: have vaccine mandates in Florida. Allow me, for just a moment. 184 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 6: Let me start with a baseline. I believe vaccines work. 185 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 6: I believe we have a healthy society in regards to mumps, measles, rebella, smallpox. 186 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 6: It's however you want to call it, all the things 187 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 6: you want to list, because we have shown that these 188 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 6: things do work, and time is on our side. And 189 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 6: yes there have been cases of adverse reactions, but in 190 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 6: the main the total health of the society, we are 191 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 6: better off. I absolutely from the doctors I talk to, 192 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 6: purely anecdotal, the COVID vaccine worked, and they believe in 193 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 6: the patients they dealt with saved lives. 194 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 4: We can disagree about that if you want. The place 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: where we agree wholeheartedly. 196 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 6: Is the idea that Americans should be allowed to discuss 197 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 6: these things, and they were kept from doing so by 198 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 6: the so called medical establishment that wanted to vilify you, 199 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 6: especially if you were a doctor. Nurses are heroes. Nurses 200 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 6: won't take the vaccine. Nurses are villains that establishment, that 201 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 6: low class, low rent, fickle establishment. 202 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 4: Those are the people you want me to believe. 203 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 6: Of course, you're allowed to discuss whether or not vaccines work. 204 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 4: Here on the live stream. I am for vaccines. That's 205 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: from angry vulcan. 206 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 6: What a name I am for vaccines, as long as 207 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 6: third parties can look into its veracity. Okay, sure, as 208 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 6: long as we as grown ups, as Americans, as adults 209 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 6: can have a conversation about these things and the establishments 210 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 6: that Bernie Sanders touts and loves and adores. Bernie Sanders 211 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 6: said no that I should say. That establishment said no. 212 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 6: That establishment said you can't discuss it. They forced social 213 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 6: media into not allowing the conversations. Tell me how we 214 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 6: were better off? How were we possibly better off? The 215 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 6: answer is we weren't. 216 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: We just weren't. So we're gonna have this conversation. 217 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 6: Let's have the totality of the conversation, and let's take 218 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 6: a look exactly at how aggressive the progressives are against RFK. 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 6: And remember, they don't hate him because of his vaccine stance. 220 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 6: They hate him because he's a Democrat with the last 221 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 6: name Kennedy, connected to their idols who sided with Trump. 222 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: And you more from this hearing coming up. Keep it here. 223 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: I'm Tony katz In. This is Tony Katz Today.