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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. The president has to accept the fact.

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Speaker 1: it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: What it is.

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Speaker 3: That if you're going to keep taking out these Venezuelan

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Speaker 3: led by Nicholas Maduro is a narco terrorist group, well

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Speaker 3: then you're going to have to explain in Congress while

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Speaker 3: you haven't declared war. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to.

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Speaker 2: Be with you.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. And if you're

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Speaker 2: These are drug boats.

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Speaker 3: They're bringing drugs into the United States and we have

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Speaker 3: Was shocked to learn that senators have absolutely giant egos

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Speaker 3: I know Trump's destroying the White House for his own

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Speaker 2: No, we can't. It has to be.

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Speaker 3: More fomenting anger, more fomenting violence, more foaming at the mouth. Altogether.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. Maybe you find it interesting in

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Speaker 3: Does tell the story that anyway they can try and

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today. I am not saying that

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Speaker 6: Moment and and and that's the question for the American people.

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Speaker 7: Are you moving closer to figuring out your own why

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're the guy who locked down California and then

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Speaker 3: You're going to run for president, guys, I need to

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Speaker 8: Anybody can run. There are no rules, and we should

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Speaker 2: Stunning stuff.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you a Newsom put out a

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Speaker 3: That must tax compliance that must be addressed. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 3: What made you decide that you must believe that the

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Speaker 2: If Texas had never moved, would Indiana have moved?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think when Texas did it, they were crossing

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Speaker 4: the rubicon to actually address the imbalance. California is a

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Speaker 4: gerrymandered state. They've got enough Democrats there where they can

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Speaker 4: jerrymander probably further most states can't, and that who starts first,

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Speaker 4: who's second. The gauntlet's been thrown down, and I think

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Speaker 4: Hoosiers are generally not going to maybe initiate stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Play by the rules, but the rules haven't been played

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Speaker 4: by by the other side for a long time. That's

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Speaker 4: why I thought it was going to take time to

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Speaker 4: get to.

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Speaker 2: Where we are now.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Governor Mike Braun, the governor of Indiana, a

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Speaker 3: lot of statements from the Indiana Republicans in the Senate

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Speaker 3: saying they don't have the votes, which I always thought

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Speaker 3: was an interesting way for them to talk about things.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like they were trying to engage a pressure

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Speaker 3: campaign on Republicans in the Indiana Senate to go forward

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Speaker 3: with this. What does your internal whip count say? Do

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Speaker 3: you have the votes on me?

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Speaker 2: Districting?

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Speaker 4: We think we're close enough to where once it becomes

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Speaker 4: a public discussion, you'll hide behind the fact that it's

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Speaker 4: all abstract until you have the discussion public. It looks

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Speaker 4: like the House was not necessarily there. They had come

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Speaker 4: along some time ago, and I think this is the

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Speaker 4: catalysts that most Republicans in our state wanted to be

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Speaker 4: a public discussion. I think any Senators that are still

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Speaker 4: waffling haven't made up their mind. They'll hear from their

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Speaker 4: own constituents, and I think it'll be to go forward

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Speaker 4: with it.

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Speaker 3: Indiana Democrats have come out to say, you're afraid of

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Speaker 3: the issues. You're losing on healthcare, you're losing on education,

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Speaker 3: You're just losing everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Governor Brown, how do you respond to that?

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Speaker 4: I think if they think their policies, which reflect their

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Speaker 4: federal Democratic Party, if that's going to gain stride in

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Speaker 4: this state, that is a fatal mistake. We've done more

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Speaker 4: to people are looking to Indiana on education. We've been

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Speaker 4: the state more than any other that has tried to

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Speaker 4: fix a broken healthcare system where our own system works

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Speaker 4: like an unregulated utility in the respect they don't embrace competition, transparency.

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Speaker 4: We just touched on it in this last session. I

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Speaker 4: think they're grasping at Strall's for them to actually do

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Speaker 4: well in Indiana, you can't be behind the issues that

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Speaker 4: their federal party endorses. Their national party is all actually

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Speaker 4: want to do more of that that's not going to

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Speaker 4: sell in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Governor Mike Brown of Indiana, allow me, well,

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Speaker 3: I've got.

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Speaker 2: A couple minutes.

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Speaker 3: The conversation has been fierce on redistracting and nasty on redistricting.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to share with you a post from Gavenus,

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Speaker 3: from the governor of California, responding to your post your statements,

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Speaker 3: I just read about the special session on redistricting and

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Speaker 3: the federal and state attacks issue. Here I share it

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Speaker 3: as he wrote it, Sarah, I've got a minute. Looks

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Speaker 3: like Governor Brawn needs some kneepads. He's making a very

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Speaker 3: gross conversation here that you're just doing the White Houses

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Speaker 3: bidding and you're just providing them favors. A response to

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Speaker 3: Governor Newsom.

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Speaker 4: I would say he is trying to stage himself for

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Speaker 4: a failed effort to run for president. And of course

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Speaker 4: he's got to say it because he's running the most

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Speaker 4: dysfunctional state in the country, and he'll lose congressional districts

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Speaker 4: most likely in the twenty thirty census because people are

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Speaker 4: leaving his state in mass numbers. They're moving to places

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Speaker 4: that don't run like that. Likewise, New Yorkers. Many of

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Speaker 4: them are move to Florida. And when I looked at

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Speaker 4: the net migration into a state, Indiana, I think was

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Speaker 4: the only one in the northern half of the country

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Speaker 4: that had people moving into it. And that's the benefit

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Speaker 4: of Pritzker and our neighbor to the west. So I

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Speaker 4: think that's the response i'd give, and I'd like to

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Speaker 4: hear his response to why people are moving out of

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Speaker 4: the state.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even get to bless your heart, why you took

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Speaker 3: the high ground there, sir.

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Speaker 2: Governor Mike Brown.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time in November third is

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Speaker 3: when you wanted to convene in five seconds.

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Speaker 2: Will it convene on the third I think it.

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Speaker 4: Will, and I think there will be a lot of

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Speaker 4: reinforcement for it. For senators that are still not sure

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Speaker 4: what to do, they need to listen to this. They

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Speaker 4: need to listen what has been going on in other

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Speaker 4: states by Democrats over a long period of time, and

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Speaker 4: I think they'll get in the right place.

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Speaker 3: Governor Mike Brown of Indiana, I appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 3: time to be with us more to get.

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Speaker 2: To I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today