1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Why from Vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. As I said, just because I've got 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: an idea on something doesn't mean that it's one hundred 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: percent correct. I know that's very shocking to hear from 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: a radio host, because every host and every influencer believes 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: that absolutely they've got the answer and they always know everything. 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: And it's not the case. But I've watched now the 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: United States go at Iran for eleven days, and I've 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: been trying to ask myself what is the plan here? 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: And I only came up with one. Is my assessment 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: of eleven days of hits on Iran correct? And if 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: it's not, well, then what the hell's the plan? It's 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: a question America is asking Tony Katz. Tony Kats today, 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: good to be with you. Major Mikelines joins us right now. 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Retired United States Army military analyst. His latest piece, which 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: is available at realclear Defense dot com, The Iran War 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: is back. The deal that ends it must not rearm Tehran. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: And I must tell you, Major, I looked at that 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: headline and I yelled at you. I called you names. 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: What are we talking about a deal? As if somehow 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: this regime gets to stay. But let's hold off on 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: that for just a moment, and let's start where we start, 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: which is eleven days of hits against Iran. I look 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: at this, sir, and I say to myself, what is 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: the purpose here? What is the purpose? We're hitting coastal this, 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: and we're hitting drone this, and we're hitting defence area 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: this and satellite thing this. And the only thing I 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: can come to the only thing that made sense to 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: me is this is softening up the ground for a 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: possible grounds movement. This is softening things up for when 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: troops of some type start taking those coastal areas even further, 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: enforcing any level of blockade, taking away all ability for 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: them to make money, and start reaching for wherever this 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: nuclear material is. It's a prelude to things for Pickaxe Mountain, 35 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: and it's a prelude to this regime ending. Now. I 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: can have people push back on me all they want 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: about ground troops, but leave that to the side. As 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: a matter of concept, it's the only thing I can 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: come to. You don't or do agree with my assessment, No, Tony, 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't. 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: I think that on the surface, strategy is not bombing, 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: it's not just doing what we're doing eleven straight days. 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: The strategy is a combination of the attacks, plus the 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: snapback sanctions that have taken place. The Chinese now have 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: been put back in the box that the oil is 46 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: not being moved, and then lastly the naval blockade. So 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: when you combine all those things together, that's the pressure 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: that it's going to take in order to get the 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: regime to you come back to the table. 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is going to end at some point. 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: We have to figure out, you know, it's short of 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: them completely imploding and no one you know, no last 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: man standing, there's going to be an agreement. So that's 54 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: kind of where that my essay speaks to, my peace 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: speaks to. But getting back the strategy I think is 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: pretty sound, and the problem is the patients that we're 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: going to have to make because there are a lot 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: of military targets and we're also now starting to hit 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: some of the infrastructure. We're hitting some of the dual 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: use infrastructure, and we're also seeing Uranians still having capability. Unfortunately, 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: we lost two service members over the weekend as they 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: you know, can't fire at scale, but they can continue 63 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: to make you know, recavoc with our air defense systems, 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: likely getting help from the Chinese. 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: But I think this plan is solid. 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: I think we just have to have patients and let's 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: regroup in a couple of weeks, and maybe maybe it's 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: going to take a month, but to get rid of 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: all of these targets along the coastline six hundred and 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: fifty miles is a military operation that's easily achievable. 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: So let me share with everybody, as we spoke before 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: we went live there, you referred to this, and I'm 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: not trying to put words in your mouth. I want 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: to make sure I understand you as you would say it. 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Major talking to Major Mike Lions, retired the United States 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Army military analyst, This is part of a siege mentality, 77 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: and in the end we are engaged in siege warfare. 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: So two parts. First, explain what is and to the extent, 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: the history of siege warfare. And then what it is 80 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: that you're seeing from the administration and from Pete Hagseth 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: and the Defense Department. 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: Right, So, siege warfare for the military historians out there, 83 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: we'll think about Vicksburg. We'll think about areas where one 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: army has surrounded another army in such a manner that 85 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: they really can't move back. Then it was this term 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: US grant use of unconditional surrender. That's really where it 87 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: comes from civil wars when that first was brought up, 88 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: and siege warfare has been used by the Romans, and 89 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: it goes back. So what's happening right now, Like anybody 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: that's telling you that Iran is getting stronger where they're 91 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: getting attacked on a night, the basis is just completely delusional, 92 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: because what's happening is a siege. 93 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: Now. 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: The siege is coming from the air. 95 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: There's no ground troops, there's no other things, and we're 96 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: closing off other aspects. But they are getting weaker by 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: the day and losing revenue opportunities by the day. And 98 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: from from our perspective again, the way siege works is 99 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: that eventually the enemy will capitulate into your terms. I 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: think epic Fury just ended too soon. Thirty seven days 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: wasn't enough. We've really only started the last eleven days. 102 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's likely that a siege could take months, 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: it could take a lot, a lot longer. It happened 104 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: in World War Two, the Siege of Stalingrad. I mean, 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: you know, again from a military perspective, it's a mission 106 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: that is clear, and that's why the military is, you know, 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: I think being very successful at it right. 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Now talking to Major Mike Lyons the United States Army, 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: retired military analyst. So siege, the siege is meant to 110 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: bring about capitulation. It is you can't get the you 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: can't get the food in, you can't get the resources in. 112 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: The people turn on the regime, which is hard to 113 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: do because the people there don't have any of the 114 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: weaponry and the regime has still has plenty of weaponry left. 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: Can you win with a siege attitude? I mean, we 116 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: worked for Masada. I mean we could talk about our 117 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: sieges have worked over time. But can you win this? 118 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: And what does this administration and the Defense Department see 119 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: as winning in this regard? 120 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this administration or the regime that runs 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: around is clearly baked in after forty seven years, and 122 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: the IRGC is not connected with the foreign ministers that 123 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: are trying to cut the deal. And when Trump says 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: they're calling me tonight ticket it to stop, Well, those 125 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: are the people that want to make a deal. But 126 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: the IRGC really controls everything. They control the military assets, 127 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: they've decentralized them down also to the commanders along those coastlines, 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: and so that's why again you're seeing the military go there. 129 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: So I think that the siege though, could possibly this 130 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: could be the way that as infrastructure crumbles on the inside, 131 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: that the people might have a chance to rally. Here Again, 132 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: that tipping point could happen. It happened once already in 133 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine when it tipped one way. Could it 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: still happen. I don't necessarily think that will happen anytime soon. 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: From the planning perspective, we should still try to get 136 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: to negotiated settlement. But again, continued pressure on the military 137 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: snapback sanctions in the blockade is only going to make 138 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: it worse for a run. 139 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: But again we haven't answered the question. It is the 140 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: maybe this is maybe I'm asking it wrong. Really, I'm 141 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: asking about objective? Is the objective some deal on a 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: piece of paper? Is the objective the full on end 143 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of the regime. 144 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the objective by the administration is the elimination of 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: the nuclear threat and the nuclear making sure that Iran 146 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: does not have a nuclear weapon. The secondary objective would 147 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: have been that ballistic missile capability, all the. 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: Things that go with that. There's a couple of downstreams. 149 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: I think the implied task is regime change, but at 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: this case, the administration would have taken regime compliance. 151 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: Right. 152 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: If the current. 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Regime does comply, then okay, then maybe the regime doesn't change. 154 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Look what happened in Venezuela. We got regime, didn't have 155 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: regime change, we had regime compliance. So I think that's 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: kind of the secondary mission. Now you ask to the Israelis, 157 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: the Israelies are like, Nope, regime change number one. That's 158 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: their top priority. They're on the sidelines right now. I 159 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: think for a reason. I think we've sidelined them politically, 160 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: because you know, they want to get back in the game. 161 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 2: You know, they know where all the IRGC targets are. 162 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: You know, they want to get right back to the 163 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: decapitation strategy. And I think, you know, hopefully maybe in 164 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks that the president does. 165 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I have to assume, if it's you and me major 166 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: lions sitting on a bar still having a bourbon, I 167 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: assume that part of what you're saying is absolutely correct. 168 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: The Israelis want in on all of this, but I 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: also assumed that they're providing the intelligence and maybe a 170 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: little happy to be able to sit back, Hey, don't 171 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: blame my, this is all the US, and keep some 172 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: of their powder dry and their hardware dry for whatever 173 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: may be coming next. Now, that leads us to an 174 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: interesting part about the response of the Iranians, which is 175 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: it hasn't been towards Israel, night after night after night 176 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: of some serious bombing, hasn't. The response hasn't been towards Israel. 177 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: It's been towards Jordan, where we did lose to US 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: service members and other members of the military were injured, 179 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: or we'll get to that. It has been towards Bakra 180 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: and the UAE. Certainly conversations regarding Saudi Arabia as clearly 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: Iran activated the Houti rebels to try and play spoiler 182 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: in the Red Sea in other places. Oh disagrees with 183 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: me on the idea of Iran and the Houti rebels. 184 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: We'll get into that, but let's let's let's let's go 185 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: back to why not hitting on Israel? Why hitting on 186 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: all the neighbors and not Israel? 187 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to always figure out what the 188 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: Iranians are thinking. They possibly think that they're hanging on 189 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: for dear life, and some of the things they've said 190 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 2: that have come out of there their propaganda machine the 191 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: past few days, you know, inviting the Americans to attack 192 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: on the ground is now getting to the point of 193 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 2: they recognize that this is the eleventh hour, and they 194 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: do things that things are bad, and they think that 195 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: possibly by attacking Israel, that that could tip the whole 196 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: thing over, because if the Israelis decide to get in 197 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: the game and play, it will be escalated very quickly. 198 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: So they're still trying to play the long game, trying 199 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: to get the economics of you know, the ninety dollars 200 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: a barrel for oil and all those things. They're still 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: trying to do that Israel stays on the sidelines for 202 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: right now. 203 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: But this is where it gets massively confusing. This is 204 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: where people start pulling out their hair. If the IRGC, 205 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: the Islamic Revolutionary guardcore, is completely disconnected from the so 206 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: called leadership, if they have decentralized, if they're running their 207 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: own shop and possibly different shops in different places, having 208 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: their own desires, wants and needs, there is no deal 209 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: that can be signed. So what the hell are we 210 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: talking about when we talk about the idea that they 211 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: don't want to go after Israel because Israel can tip 212 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: the scales of things, and they still want to make 213 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: a deal when you can't make a deal because the 214 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: deal makers don't have the power to stop the attacks 215 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: from happening. 216 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going to get out of the military 217 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: then to get into the political lange. That's a political decision, 218 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: I think, Tony. I think that that's the president has 219 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: made that on purpose, because I think that he's trying 220 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: to save Israel a little bit, save save some face 221 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: for them. 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: They're likely providing intelligence. But the bottom line. 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: Is this administration is still very much whip sawing back 224 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: between making a deal and firing. 225 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing kind of in between and the strikes. 226 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: And so that's because the president is trying to average 227 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: leverage and hedge all of his bets on some level. 228 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: So that's why he still talks about a deal. He 229 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: gets out and says, maybe we make a deal, and 230 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: he says, you can't make a deal. 231 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: So you and I. 232 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: Agree, I don't think you're going to make a deal. 233 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: With this current, this current regime in tron and it's 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: going to take another layer or so. 235 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: And the President even said that himself. 236 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: We're going to get to your article over there at 237 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: real clear defense in just a moment. The Iran wars 238 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: back the deal that ends it must not re arm 239 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: a Tehran. I want to get to that in a 240 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: little bit. But I brought up the Houthi rebels and 241 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Aram supporting the Hootie rebels, and you gave me, for 242 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: the first time ever a shake of the head like, oh, Tony, oh, 243 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: how could you think such a thing. Yeah, the Houthi 244 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: rebels are now acting on their own independently, and if so, 245 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: with what money. 246 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's not even that they're claiming they're going 247 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: to have a naval blockade of that strait that they 248 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: control in there. 249 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: Now, good luck with that. 250 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: The United States has a carrier group in the region there. 251 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: They have cruisers destroyers there. 252 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't even know what the Houthy Navy looks like, 253 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: but that battle between the United States Navy and the 254 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: Houthy Navy would last twenty minutes. If it lasted that, 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be a target rich environment. I'm 256 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: sure the submarine commanders are sitting there begging to get 257 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: in on that. So again that is pure bluster from 258 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: the houthis Hoothi's had a shot to get in there. 259 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: The last time they they chose not to do it. 260 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: Israel took out most of their capability a few months back, right, 261 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: you know when they decided who the He's decided to 262 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: launch a couple of missiles at Israel and I said, 263 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: you know what, enough's enough and they went back tenfold 264 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: at them. So they're not in the game that they're 265 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: the last possible strategic proxy that the Iranians have, right 266 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: hesblah dead, Hamas. 267 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 3: Dead, and they're it. 268 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: So and they got a guy, a spokesman that got 269 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: out there and talked about having a blockade. 270 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: Good luck to that. 271 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: We'll see how long that lasts. And I don't think 272 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: that's going to do anything. 273 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: So you're you're not saying that that Iran isn't funding 274 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the Hoho thies that can be happening. You're you're shaking 275 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the head. Was the idea that who thieves play any 276 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: role in changing the calculus on the ground, That's that's impossible. 277 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking a straight military operational role. 278 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: If the Hoothi's decide to get into a military conflict 279 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 2: with the United States and Iran again, that'll be over 280 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: in twenty minutes. So that's what I'm talking about. They 281 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: don't have the capability to block the Strait. They again, 282 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: they threaten it with asymmetric weapons with a missile every 283 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: once in a while, but that missile has a return address, 284 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: and that return address will be fired by ten or 285 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: twelve Israel rockets coming right back, which will be precision 286 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: based and hit exactly that, plus anything that's clear and 287 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: closer around it. 288 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Major Mike Lyons joining us right now. We're going to 289 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: get more into his article at real clear defense, the 290 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: Iran wars back the deal that ends it must not 291 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: rearm Tehran. We will get to that and a whole 292 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: bunch more. Find everything at Tony kats dot com. This 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: is Tony Katz today. Maybe it was that Arizona primary 294 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: where the DSA member just got the crap kicked out 295 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: of them. It's got the DSA on defense. Or maybe 296 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: it's just people have realized that these Democratic Socialists are communists. 297 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: They talk about communism, they support communism, they support the 298 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Islamist they're the greatest example of the Redgreen Alliance, and 299 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: that everybody who's normal is like these people are absolutely 300 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: disgusting and nuts this mom, Donnie, he's a scumbag and 301 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled by it. And the DSA is on defense 302 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: about it and it's hilarious. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, 303 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: good to be with you. Here was some of the 304 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: latest right where you've got. This was put out by 305 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: Canary Mission and they're discussing how important it is to 306 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: support rant. You can't make this up no way. 307 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: We're governed by dead eyed psychopaths and sociopaths and bloodthirsty imperialists. 308 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: The US government, in Israeli government, they are the terrorists. 309 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 4: They are the terrorists. They are doing terrorism. If Iran's 310 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: off the table as a regional power, that means HESBLA 311 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: can't be funded, Hamas can't be funded, the who these 312 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: can't be funded, like the Shia Crescent falls, and then 313 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: you have nothing but regional domination for Israel. 314 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: The regional domination, as we've discussed many times, will come 315 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: from Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Israel fantasize is about having 316 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: regional domination. But when you're a jew hating bigot like 317 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: all these DSA members socialist stops sorry, communists are well 318 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: what else do you expect? This is just a talking point. 319 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: But if Iran is off the table, Hesbela can't be funded, 320 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Hamas can't be funded, the Houthis can't be funded. And 321 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: in their warped view, the terrorists aren't the terrorist, you're 322 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: the terrorist. But no, no, no, no, Reality doesn't say that. 323 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: Reality says they're the terrorist. Hesbla, Hamas, the Houthis terrorists 324 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: supported by Iran, a terrorist regime. And yet they support 325 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: the terrorist regime. And this is where people are like, man, 326 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: I want no part of that. That is all just 327 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: absolutely nutty stuff. No thank you, no thank you. And 328 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: then the DSA is out there doing interviews and they're 329 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: answering questions and they're defending the indefensible, like this Hassan 330 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,119 Speaker 1: Piker streamer who dresses up like Chairman Mao and celebrates 331 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: Chairman Mao And what was the latest? He had a 332 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: picture in his studio of the twin towers on fire. 333 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Isn't that great? Let's celebrate nine to eleven taking down 334 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the imperial regime. This is who they are and now 335 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: they're being called on it. This was Katie Pavlich on 336 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: News Nation, and all of a sudden, it's like, what 337 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: are you talking about? What? 338 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 5: What? 339 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: What's the big deal? 340 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 6: All right, So let's move to Hassan Piker, who of 341 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 6: course is one of your top campaign surrogates, who's been 342 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 6: campaigning for DSA candidates in New York City and all 343 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 6: over the country. Grace, I want to play you a 344 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 6: clip from one of his streams talking about capitalists and 345 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 6: how they should be treated, and get your reaction on 346 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 6: the other side, Yeah, them. 347 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 7: Kill those motherfucker in the street, Let the streets, Let 348 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 7: the streets. 349 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: Soak in their red capitalist blood. 350 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 6: He also just started displaying a newspaper from September twelfth, 351 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 6: two thousand and one in the background of his streams 352 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 6: showing the Twin Towers and gulf in flames. So, as 353 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 6: one of the loudest pro DSA voices, is this something 354 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 6: that your movement represents? 355 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 5: Asana is a shop talk and he is a very 356 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 5: successful one that has brought a lot of young people 357 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 5: who are disaffected, who spend a lot of time online 358 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 5: into a movement that actually connects them with their politics 359 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 5: and with real action that they can take at the ballot. 360 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: Box and talking to their neighbors. 361 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 8: So I'm not in the business of defending the views 362 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 8: of every single one of our one hundred and twenty 363 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 8: thousand members. But I think he's speaking to a real 364 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 8: anger that people feel. 365 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: Kill the capitalists celebrate September eleventh. That is what the 366 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: DSA wants to defend. That kill the capitalists. Understand he's 367 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: advocating for murder, and the DSAY is saying, yeah, well, 368 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people want to go out 369 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: there and kill. What do you expect. These are the 370 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: people who look at the assassination, the murder of Brian Thompson, 371 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: the United Healthcare CEO, and they go sounds great. Understand 372 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: that they are violent people from the word go. You 373 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: cannot have communism without violence. You cannot have communism without murder. 374 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: It has never happened in the history of man. It 375 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: can't happen in the future. They will celebrate the murder, 376 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: they will explore the murder, and then when they get 377 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: their way, they're still going to murder, just each other, until, 378 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: of course they can get murdered by the Islamist. But 379 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: check out the dssay all about I don't understand what 380 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: the problem is. They don't have to as long as 381 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: we do and as long as they never get power. 382 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. So every time someone brings 383 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: up making a deal with Ron, I don't know what 384 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: that's supposed to mean. I don't know who we're making 385 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: a deal with. It has been my point consistently, Tony Katz. 386 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, an absolute pleasure to be with you. 387 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: And then I saw a major Lions with his piece 388 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: and real clear defense. The Iran war is back, the 389 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: deal that ends. It must not rearm Tehran. And I'm like, 390 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: what possible deal are we talking about? And I'm am 391 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: I really alone on the island because I don't think 392 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: so let's talk to the major himself. Talking to Major 393 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Mike Lyons, retired in United States Army military analyst. He 394 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: is our military guy. His latest peace over there at 395 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: real clear defense the war, the Iran war is back, 396 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: the deal that ends, it must not re arm Tehran. 397 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: I want to dig in to this article because in 398 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: the headline itself, you're saying something that I vehement leopose. 399 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: I didn't say, you know, every American is with me, 400 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: not everybody who's a part of the show is even 401 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: with me, and I'm very conscious of them. I appreciate them, 402 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: I disagree with them, and I've made my voice clear. 403 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: They make their voice clear, sometimes lovely, sometimes trollingly, but 404 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: still we have the dialogue going on. Let's go back 405 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: to something that you spoke about earlier, where you're talking 406 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: about siege mentality and that there's eleven days of bombings 407 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: that we've seen the US on around. This is about 408 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: the siege. It's about holding them captive. This is about 409 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: breaking things from the inside because they don't have the dollars. 410 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Things collapsing, And my question was was what can a 411 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: siege mentality take out the regime? And let me now 412 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: go a step further. Can you win this end the 413 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: regime without some level of ground troops? 414 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Probably not, So what's the you know, the level of 415 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: ground troops, though, is nothing like we've seen in this 416 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: century for US forces or even the last half of 417 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: the last century. We're not talking about five hundred thousand 418 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: troops which we sent a desert storm. We're not talking 419 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty thousand we sent to a 420 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: rock over the course of time. 421 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: We're not talking about. 422 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: The four thirty thousand that went to Afghanistan. 423 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: However, you might need to have raids. 424 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: So that's so take take out maneuver and take out 425 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: large scale formations, cores and divisions, which are not going 426 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: because again, first of all, we have no element of surprise, 427 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: and we didn't have them the last time either. We 428 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: told the world we were moving all these troops there. 429 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: Now if we tried to do it, the Ranians could 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: clearly know what was going on. So that's not happening. Now, 431 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: that's not to say that we couldn't do raids. Raids 432 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: are small unit operations for clear military operations in order 433 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: to take ground for example, carg Island, for example, bonder 434 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: Abus areas that need to be controlled on the ground there, 435 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: they could be rated and they could use that force 436 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: in order to accomplish that military objective. But large scale 437 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: ground troops and occupying Tehran and classic maneuver warfare not happening. 438 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: So this and we could dig more into that, but 439 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: I want to take it to your article because what 440 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: your argument is is that we're going to see behavior change, 441 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: not specifically what I desire, which is wholesale regime chain. 442 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: We go to your article and you talk about the 443 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: failure of the MoU the Memorandum of Understanding. This is 444 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: a piece that you wrote with Michael Schwartz, and that 445 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you discuss that the failure is worth understanding because it 446 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: will shape whatever comes next, and you write its collapse 447 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: is not merely a diplomatic setback. It highlights the failings 448 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: the next agreement cannot repeat. Yeah, what were those failings? 449 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of it was front loaded in favor 450 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: of the Iranians. They eight billion dollars that they ended 451 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: up freeing up. We think, as I've done some research, 452 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: a lot of that was used in commerce with China 453 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: for the Chinese to get air defense systems back through 454 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: third world countries and other places, third world parties get 455 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: that back and allowed Iran after the thirty seven days 456 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: allow them to do some rearming. 457 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: Now not at scale. 458 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: They're not manufacturing things like they once were, but I 459 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: think that's number one. This, the last MoU was completely 460 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: front loaded to get the Iranians to act and to 461 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: see if there and maybe it was done for a reason. 462 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 3: Maybe it was done to see how they would do it. 463 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 2: And the fact of the matter is they decided to attack, 464 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, the ships while they were having the Comani 465 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: funeral the whole. Their only thing that they had to 466 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: do was to make sure that the straits were open, 467 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: and they did. They didn't do that. They had many 468 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: other advantages in that front. There wasn't even a nuclear conversation. 469 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: That's a place in MoU So again, a lot of 470 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: that that that was a really very start to start 471 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: kind of agreement, and the next one has got to 472 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: have a lot more teeth in it in the beginning, 473 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: and that's why it's got to look closer to winning 474 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: as opposed to talking. 475 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: But a teeth argument, as you're describing it, because I 476 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: may view it differently, is something that can be seen 477 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: by Russia and by China as we've lost a ally 478 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: and a relationship in the Middle East. It's gone for forever. 479 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I mean China has suffered tremendously on it. 480 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: No one's talking about that because you have people that's 481 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: so critical of America that still believe that this is 482 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: the century of China. Well we're twenty five years into it, 483 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: quarterlyway into it, and it doesn't look at all like 484 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: this is the center of China just yet. And this 485 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: thing goes a certain way, which we all think it's 486 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: going to go the China's Belton Roads initiative that was 487 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: going to go from there from China and expand through 488 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: the Middle East in Africa. That's over because if the 489 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: United States has the kind of input inside of what's 490 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: going to happen in Iran right now, then again that's 491 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: not going to happen. That logistical supply chain is going 492 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: to get cut right in half. China has got more 493 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: problems with its other proxy. It's other in Russia. They 494 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: can't get out of their own way, and that's a 495 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: whole other separate situation. So the two major proxies of 496 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: the Chinese right now, the Unians and the Russians, are 497 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: both struggling. So again I think they've they've they've lost 498 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: mightily over the past year and a half. 499 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: Talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired United States Army military analysts, 500 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: that go back to your piece at Realcleardefense dot com. 501 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: The Iran war is back, the deal that ends, it 502 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: must not rearm tron. How does any deal end when 503 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: as you are, or has any deal get consummated? When 504 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: I go back to this point, because I think you're correct, right, 505 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: I think you're you're accurate. You've got a total decentralization. 506 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: You have these IRGC units in different spots around or on, 507 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: acting independently of each other, never mind independently of whatever 508 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: we want to call leadership, no matter what their title 509 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: may be. We have an iatola that clearly is not alive. 510 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that this isn't even in any way 511 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: a question. That's laughable to think otherwise, when the Foreign 512 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: Minister says I've never met him, Yeah, okay, all right, 513 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: you're signal received, sir. We get you on this case. Yeah, 514 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I still don't understand how it's possible that a deal 515 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: gets made that we trust. And I don't understand how 516 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: a deal can happened that still doesn't involve nightly bombings 517 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: of these positions where IRGC members are or they're moving weaponry, 518 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: et cetera. So again I ask, who are we signing with? 519 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean probably we don't even know yet. Maybe, 520 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: but you know, war's end when the guns go silent, 521 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: as simple as that. And so when we feel when 522 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: the traffic goes to the streets unimpeded, when the confidence 523 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: returns and the military has accomplished that objective, I think 524 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: that you know, that would be a step towards that 525 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: process that could take place. You know, right now though 526 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: it's missile math, right, the Ranians still probably have five 527 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: hundred to one thousand missiles that they can still fire 528 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: and shoot and not at scale, but threatened Jordan, Oman, 529 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: Qatar and Kuwait, and they can still do all those 530 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: kinds of things. So that's why I'm saying the military 531 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: has got to grind this down for a few more weeks, 532 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: likely months, and then we'll come back and revisit here 533 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: in the fall. The thing about it is again to 534 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: go back to the politics. The president doesn't care about 535 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: the midterms, obviously, is not you know, any politician would 536 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: try to solve this problem. Maybe that's what the first 537 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: MoU tried to do, because he definitely let the vice 538 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: president lead on it. He felt that he's in that 539 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: camp that thinks that you can negotiate with these people 540 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: in Iran. Now he's found out that that can't be 541 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: the case. So it's going to extend. 542 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 7: And I clearly, you know, as bright as the vice 543 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 7: president is, there is a serience, in my view, naivete 544 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 7: on foreign policy, whether we're talking about Ussia, Ukraine, whether 545 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 7: we're talking about Iran. 546 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: He has a view that simply does not comport with reality. 547 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: Let me change the subject half a click here. And 548 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: there's been some criticism of the Pentagon, specifically Secretary Hagseeth, 549 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: because we did have two soldiers killed in that bombing 550 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: raid by Iran in Jordan. We also had casualties, we 551 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: had people injured, and somehow that either got misreported, low reported, 552 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: or non reported, including not being discussed and announced by 553 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: the Pentagon. Now we've got two subjects here. First, the 554 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: very idea that our press is only interested in highlighting 555 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: casualties to try and bring pressure to the administration. And 556 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: America has lost its stomach for what it is to 557 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: be at war in and of itself, compared to how 558 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: we have dealt with things in the past. And I 559 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: do believe that that is a problem. But I think 560 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: it's equally a problem if the Pentagon is trying to 561 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: hide numbers from the American people. It's a terrible look 562 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: for Pete Hagseth. I don't care if Pete's happy with 563 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: me or not. The Secretary is wrong to not announce numbers, 564 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: and the Pentagon is wrong to announce numbers. What is 565 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: the standard practice here. What is the take on this story. 566 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Pentagon hasn't had you know, daily 567 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: or even weekly press releases. We get information yesterday when 568 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: they testified in front of Congress, and the pendulum has 569 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: swung back to not as transparent as they think it 570 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: is or they're telling us it is. 571 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: It's because it's clear from from a number of perspective. 572 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: That you know, obviously two lost lives, and you know, 573 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: every knock on the door is something in the family, 574 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: and everyone wants to have the commanders expect losses. And 575 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: there's no question that this conflict does not have the 576 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: same level of body bags. In fact, we had one 577 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty body bags coming back like we had 578 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: weekly in Vietnam that you know, people would then really 579 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: lose their minds. But but the thousand or the one 580 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: hundred or so was the number on the concussions and injuries, 581 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: with ninety seven percent returning to active duty. I mean, 582 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: there's fifty thousand troops in the Middle East, so again 583 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: it's a numbers game that the numbers are still very low. 584 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: Protection of the force is the number one of the 585 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: number one priorities of any military I can tell you this. 586 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: When I was in combat, I was so confident in 587 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: our equipment. I was so confident wasn't going to cause 588 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: us to get killed. And I looked at the enemy's equipment. 589 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: I saw Russian BMPs and Russian tanks and said, these 590 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: are death traps. Our equipment is solid. And I looked 591 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: at you know, the soldiers that were killed and Jordan 592 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: were Patriot Missile soldiers and so they were obviously fighting 593 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: their weapon when that happened. They were outside, they were 594 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: in an area that they knew that could possibly have 595 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: that conflict. But they had that kind of job where 596 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: they were on the front lines. And that's the thing 597 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: about warfare today. You don't have to be infantry on 598 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: I me on the front lines anymore. And those Patriot 599 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: Missile defenders, I mean, my heart goes out to those 600 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: guys and gals that are doing that every day. 601 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: But what am I off base and saying that the 602 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: Pentagon should be more forthcoming when they have information that 603 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: isn't going to put troops in harm's way. The information 604 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: should be shared. 605 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: No, I don't disagree that. 606 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: I think it should be and I think the Pentagon 607 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: hag set in particular is trying not to create a 608 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: you know, body count situation that he saw destroying. 609 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: The military during the Vietnam War. I mean, he's somewhat 610 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: of a historian. 611 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: He goes back and looks at that, he looks at 612 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: he saw what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq as well, 613 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: the same kind of thing. And he's not he's you know, 614 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: they're looking for the bring up the Walter Cronkite, they're 615 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: you know who's now you have still the support from 616 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: Republicans is still maybe not that great. But when you 617 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: have Democrats come out talking about endless war, this is 618 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: not an endless war, Tony. That's another thing. Not an 619 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: In fact, the endless war started with Iran. They've been 620 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: at war with us for forty seven years. From their perspective, 621 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: it's an endless war. This this is over when we 622 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: decide to say it's over, when we declare victory. I 623 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: just want us to declare victory and it actually looks 624 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: like victory. We also agree that, yeah, this is victory. 625 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: This is what victory looks like. 626 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: And I think you only get victory when the regime 627 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: is gone. But I know there are some who will 628 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: disagree with me. I will keep on and keep it on. 629 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: Major Mike Lions, retired in the United States Army Military analyst. 630 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to be with us. 631 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: There is more show to get to keep it right here. 632 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today speaking of the war Hexeth 633 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: looking for an additional sixty seven sorry eighty seven billion 634 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: dollars for the war and President Trump will attend the 635 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: dignified transfer of four US service members at Tony Katz. 636 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. The number 637 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: increased from to four. Sergeant Angel Ramper said. Sergeant Michael 638 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Swinton, Private Isabella Gonzalez, and First Lieutenant Tyler James 639 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Fihen were killed in those hits by Iran. And my 640 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: conversation with Major Mike lyons I am there there is 641 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: a real softness amongst the populace. If we are in 642 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: a fight, we are in a fight and our lives 643 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: going to be lost. Sadly, Yes, that's why you don't 644 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: go to fight just willie nilly. It has to matter 645 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: and the way you make it matter. Certainly, there has 646 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: to be a cause, but there has to be a 647 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: resolve to the end, which is why I don't like 648 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: what it is that I've seen from the White House. 649 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't understand Trump and how 650 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: he'll say one thing and do another thing. It's that 651 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: it's clearly been a different message between Trump, Rubio and 652 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: jade Vance. Clear different message. Man, that's not what you want. 653 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: And I'll say it again, jade Vance is not with 654 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: me on foreign policy at all. And I don't think 655 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: his foreign policy view is a view that is grounded 656 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: in the reality. It's rather presented in the fantasy of 657 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: somehow we could just do nothing, mind our own business 658 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: all the time, not partially all the time, and be fine. Nope, 659 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that's legitimate, because the enemy is conspiring 660 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: against you, me and we. Yes, the enemy is the 661 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: terrorist regime of Iran. Yes, the enemy is China. Yes, 662 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: the enemy is Russia. And they're talking to me amongst 663 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: each other. And then they're pressing things in Cuba, and 664 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: they're pressing things in Venezuela until we took Maduro out, etc. Etc. Etc. 665 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: The world's happening all around us, and we have to 666 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: accept the fact that it is, and we have to 667 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: be willing to do something about it when the moment comes. 668 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: I think at madness that somehow there are people out 669 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: there like nope, no, no, it doesn't affect us. It's 670 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: like those people in New Jersey. Sixty six hundred people 671 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: here illegally or non citizens i should say, registered to 672 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: vote in New Jersey between June or twenty twenty four 673 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: and June of twenty twenty five, you know, just in 674 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: time for an election. And New Jersey's like, well, that 675 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: was just a glitch. What do you mean it was 676 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: a glitch? Non citizens registered to vote, when, of course 677 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: the left tells us, oh, that never happens, they don't 678 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: register to vote, and then they go full Mazi Horono, 679 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: the senator from Hawaii. Why would somebody hear it illegally 680 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: or non citizen even want to vote in our elections. 681 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: These people are embarrassing, They're embarrassing, empathetic, and they cannot 682 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: be allowed power. I'll say it again, they can't win 683 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: in November. You just got to get out and vote, 684 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: you got to overwhelm. Too big to rig is actually 685 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: something I do concur with. Find everything at tonycats dot com. 686 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: I'll catch you tomorrow. Everyone, take care