1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel ninety three WIBC. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: You're famous radio personality, meamos. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm not famous. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm Nigel Hammer's over there with a very special 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 4: guest on the highline. 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Rick Snyder is the president of the Fraternal Order of 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: Police Lodge eighty six here in Indy. Rick, I've been 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: following your social media feed and it looks like you 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: had an amazing trip to North Carolina to check up 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: on the hurricane damage. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: And the victims. 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that here in just a moment, 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: but we've been opening up our show the last couple 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: of days about this violent stretch here in Indie. I 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: keep hearing all of the leaders crime is down, violent 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 2: crime is down, but yet we had five homicides in 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm just curious as to your thoughts. 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, you know what we really had were nine 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: people shot. One stad was five killed in just twenty 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: four hours. That was from one thirty am yesterday to 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: am today. I think what it shows is that the stacks, 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: the stats, the statistics, if you will, they don't matter 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: when your capital city is under attack, and some are 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: saying that we are under attack from within even and 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: when folks tune in on their TV or the radio, 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: like you guys, and they hear other people touting that 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: violence is down, while the daily headlines show that mass shootings, 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: mass murders, and mass carnage keep going up. It simply 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: just does not bring true with residents and visitors. And 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: I have to tell you that when we talk to 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: folks in the neighborhoods are folks who are coming in 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: to visit our community, their BS meters are pegged out 34 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: to the red line. You know, the facts are this, 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: Indianapolis is still averaging right now a homicide every fifty 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: three hours in our city. And I just did the 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: analysis this morning and we're still out pacing Chicago and 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: homicides per rappita by over ten percent. And are a leader, 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: especially our elected leaders, politicians in charge are telling us 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: that that's better than what it was for the past 41 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: five years. But guys, those are the past five years 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: of the all time record levels of violence. So I 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: think in closing, I would say this, it's like saying 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: that it's that fuel costs are going down when it's 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: four to fifty a gallon and now it's only four 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: dollars a gallon. The gas price is down, but they're 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: still at record levels and people know better. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: Rick, you say we're being attacked. Who is attacking us? 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's easy to say that we've been 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: short changed and short circuited in this capital city by 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: our criminal justice system. I mean, time and time again, 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: guys were seeing that police keep doing their jobs. I mean, 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: take a look at the recent attacks on our police 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: officers where you've got officers who are in fully gun battles, 55 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: under daily attack, officers that have been shot, shot at 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: and stabbed, yet impd officers keep standing the line. I 57 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: think it proves that once again, police are not the 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: problem them and we're really confronted by after the fact, 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: billy badass prosecutor and our woke broke criminal justice system. 60 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: There's a problem. Yeah, you want to talk about people 61 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: willing to speak out about it. 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm with you, Rick, you talked about the prosecutor. 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: We had a story yesterday and I know you've posted 64 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: on this too. There's a guy that's been arrested ninety 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: nine times here in Marion County and he's finally locked 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: up because he attempted to murder someone. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: But ninety nine times. 68 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: You've got a city county council who has a crime 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: committee and they don't want to meet. They don't want 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: to talk about it. They voted for no more debate. 71 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: Like when I hear IMPD or local leaders say guns 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: are the problem, guns are the problem, I kind of 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: can't help. 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: But look at the prosecutor's office. 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: Your officers rick are arresting the same people over and 76 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: over again. And we've got a city council who has 77 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: a crime committee and they don't want to talk about crime. 78 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: Well, guys, look at this one example. You had a 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: sixty nine year old man that was stabbed and critically injured, 80 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: who is continuing to fight for his recovery. The assailant 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: in that, who had ninety nine prior arrest in this city, 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: was arrested by the Lawrence Police Department, and he was 83 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: charged with attempted murder by the police department. Yet, I've 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: got some breaking news for you, guys. Shocker of all shocks. 85 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: When you look up the case, it's already been automatically 86 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: downgraded to only an aggravated battery, which is a level 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: three felony. That means this case, without even taking its 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: first breath in the court system has automatically been downgraded 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: and reduced, cutting the possible sentencing range from an attempted 90 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: murder at twenty to forty years of imprisonment all the 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: way down to three years to sixteen years, also allowing 92 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: for suspendable prison time and reduced bond to get back 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: out of jail. Exactly what we're talking about, guys, and 94 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: when you're arrested ninety nine times, I think it begs 95 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: the question what's the number? What's the number of times 96 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: where somebody in a black robe finally says, you know what, 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: I don't think this guy is getting it, and we 98 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: need to hold him and remand him into custody until 99 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: we get a handle on them. 100 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: Just out of curiosity. You say, automatically downgraded? What does 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 4: that mean? Exactly? 102 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: That's an intentional step taking to your prosecutor, who gets 103 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: the final decision on what charges to file. So the 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: police arrested for attempted murder, they have probable costs for that. 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: You have a man that's been stabbed, and then the 106 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: prosecutor comes in, reviews it and automatically reduces it two 107 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: levels down to an aggravated battery due to loss or 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: impairment of a bodily function. And this is what we're 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: left with. It's not only a distance to Indianapolis, but 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: it's a dereliction of duty by both the prosecutor and 111 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: the jurisprudence of the judges. It makes a mockery of 112 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: the justice system and it shortchanges the system. I think 113 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: anyone looking at it, Nigel would say it's deliberate indifference 114 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: really to the offender. But it also leads one to 115 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: believe that there's culpability in the attack and the injury 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: of the victim by the very system that's supposed to 117 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: be dispensing justice. 118 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: Rick, do you ever get any sort of explanation from 119 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: the judges or the prosecutor's department about why these things 120 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: are taking place? 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: I told you guys, they believe that they are above 122 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: reproach and that they don't have to answer such questions 123 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: and shouldn't have to stand for any such questions. And guys, 124 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: here's the behind the scenes deal. We're being told by 125 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: media sources that the victim in this case, if you 126 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: can believe this, was visiting our capital city potentially for 127 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: the funeral of another murder victim. Yeah, and so what 128 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: does that mean. I mean, here's my question, how is 129 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: visit Indy gonna market and message that visit for one 130 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: murder and stay for your own and then to see 131 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: more talk mirrors immediately downgrade the attack on your own life. 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: I think once again, it shows the devaluing of the 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: sanctity of life here in our capital city. 134 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: Man, that's unbelievable to me. 135 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: Like I very rarely am I speechless, but holy crap, 136 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: that's awful. 137 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: Who's reporting that, guys, who's staying on that story? 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: That's a good question too. 139 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: I see the stories, but I don't see I don't 140 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: hear the questions being asked. 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: Or the updates. 142 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: Right now, you don't see the updates a lot too, 143 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: and that's a problem. 144 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: That's right. You don't see them beating down anybody's door 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: to get answers to these questions. 146 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: Rick Snyder's with us, the president of the Fraterner Order 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: of Police Lodge eighty six here in Indy. Rick, I 148 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: want to switch gears to something that'll actually give people 149 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: some faith in humanity. You went on the road to 150 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: North Carolina over the weekend, and you've visited with a 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: lot of the folks that had everything just basically taken 152 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: away from from them in that hurricane that hit a 153 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: year or so ago. There are family members there that 154 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: lost all of their loved ones, all of their possessions. 155 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: They didn't get a lot of help from the federal government. 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: You went out there and spoke to some of those folks. 157 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: How's the recovery going. 158 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't get a lot of help until this 159 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: new administration. And now it's a twenty four hour cycle. 160 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: They're rebuilding the communities, rebuilding the roads and the bridges, 161 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: and you know, folks are trying to piece back together 162 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: and rebuild their lives. You know, we went out there, 163 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: we met with the North Carolina Fraternal Order of Police, 164 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: nearly one hundred officers from around the state. They're in Nashville, 165 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: North Carolina, where received such a warm reception from them 166 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: and recognition for all the efforts that we had during 167 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: the hurricanes. But guys, it was simply a testament to 168 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: who's your hospitality. We were able to accept that recognition 169 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: on behalf of the city of Indianapolis or Indianapolis FOP 170 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: and the State of Indiana because you got to remember, guys, 171 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: we really demonstrated what loving your neighbors is all about. 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: This is a mountain community up there. We had the 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: one area in Garon Creek Fairview area. You guys know 174 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: I talk about her, Miss Martha. She lost a total 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: of eleven direct family members. There were a total of 176 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: thirteen people killed just in their part of the mountain, 177 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: and we were able to go back up, wrap our 178 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: arms around Miss Martha, hang out with Pastor Ranie there 179 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: at the Chestnut Hill Baptist Church as they did their 180 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: church service marking the one year anniversary, and just trying 181 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: to hold them up so that they could reflect remember, 182 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: but also show the resilience of what mountain folks are 183 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: all about. It's a great honor. But I just want 184 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: to say kudos to Indiana and all those who pulled 185 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: together and helped send relief supplies out there. We couldn't 186 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: have done it without you and Hammer and Nigel. You 187 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: guys were a big part of that. With your audience, 188 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: who is the best audience in the city of Indianapolis. 189 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: And I can't thank you enough. 190 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: Rick. 191 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: We appreciate those kind words, my friend, and as always, 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: tell your officers to stay safe. And there's a lot 193 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: of people out there room voting for him. Despite having 194 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: really what we're hearing, you know, one hand tied behind 195 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: their backs from a justice system here in Indie. 196 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: Godspeed, my friend, Thank you. 197 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: They're going to keep standing in the line. Guys, keep 198 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: praying for him. 199 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.