1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Live from the heart Land and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. Welcome back everybody. I am Andrew 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Langer in for Tony Katz today. Don't know if we 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: have new listeners tuning in based upon the way the 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: show is going now, but if you are tuning in 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: for the first time, thank you, welcome to the show. 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Tony is off today. He's asked me to fill. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: In for him. I fill in for him on occasion. 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: I also do public policy work for Seapack. As someone 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: has already already noted, you could join the show if 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: you want to. 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And if you're 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: just joining the show early on. In the last hour, 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: I was talking about this story. There's the President announced 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: excuse me on last Friday week ago, but no, maybe 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: it was. I guess it was today. I'm like the 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: weeks are are are blending together. The President announced that 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: he wants to bring an IndyCar race to DC in August, 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: and you know, August twenty first through twenty third, bringing 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: it here. Everybody's weighing in. Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: is excited. Burgham, Doug Burghram, the Interior Secretary is excited. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: They're they're working it through. And a person we'll say it, 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: you know at Sunflower Mads on Twitter. Then I'm gonna 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: again throw them under the bus. Land and Land had 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: sent me a series of tweets that this person had 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: written these are public tweets voicing her opinion in a 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: decidedly negative fashion about about this. And I talked about 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: it and I and I gave my opinion as to 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: what as to what this meant. Uh. Then this person 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: knocked down her Twitter account and I tweeted out about 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: it and talked on the air, and it is fascinating 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: to me. Uh, the the folks who have popped up 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: in all of this. By the way, it's not harassment 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: if you say something publicly right and you bring notice 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: of people, right, it's just like listen, just like on TikTok. 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: If someone says something on TikTok or on Instagram or wherever, 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: or on Facebook and they've said it publicly, the folks 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: are gonna talk about it. They're gonna they're gonna send 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: it out there. And and some of these responses are 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: just bizarre. And as I said to several of you 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: on Twitter, I still call it Twitter. Yeah, I'm going 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: to read them on the air. First of all, some 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: guy named John Ranjo, and I assume that's his name, 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, Local fat Guy John Ranjo writes a Yeah, 54 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: this is a common occurrence for you, ain't it. No? 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Not actually not really really not. But then rights and 56 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: I asked Landon to help me interpret this because frankly, 57 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand this person, Local fat Guy John Ranjo, 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: that's what this person has written as their Twitter hand 59 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: er Twitter Twitter handle. I mean TBF to be fair, 60 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: I mean to be fair. I also wouldn't want a 61 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: team ou looking Fred Munster harassing me and all of 62 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: those words to me have meaning. They do, but but 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: put together in a sentence, I have no idea what 64 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: that means. Are you suggesting that I look like Fred 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: gwyn who played Fred Munster on The Monsters by the way, 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: love the current reference Fred Gwinn, I think has been 67 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: dead for twenty five years. So yeah, I get that, 68 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: and my my my reaction is to things like, yeah, 69 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 2: this is the common cards. By the way, No, John, 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: she's not going to sleep with you. Oh my my, 71 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: my goodness, this is this is just fascinating. Somebody named 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: Carmen Slavski Rights, I could spend I literally this is great. 73 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: This is like, you know, I pulled off all kinds 74 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: of audio. I don't have to play any of the audio. 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: I could just talk about this for a while. Uh, 76 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: Carmen Slavski Rights. Do you follow IndyCar Andrew No, I'll 77 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: be I'll be frank. No, I don't follow IndyCar. I 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: don't follow a lot of things I like. I like 79 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: I like watching baseball, I like watching college football. I 80 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: love hockey. Know, in terms of sports, if we're talking 81 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: about sports, you know, I don't follow cricket. I don't 82 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: follow curling. But if the President of the United States 83 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: wanted to do a cricket match or a curling match. 84 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem with that either, and I 85 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: would have a problem with folks trying to integrate him 86 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: for doing that. 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 88 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with this. Yeah, you know 89 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: it is. It is amazing they got this back in 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: this someone named new Hurt kirculew, which Landon has helped 91 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: me interpret. It's the It's a portmanteau. Portmanteau is a 92 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: good word. If you don't know it, look it up. 93 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: A portmanteau of a bunch of different uh uh race 94 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: car driver names, writes in my response. So I responded 95 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: to that person. I read it before the hour break. 96 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: I wrote this. I said, let me walk you through 97 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: this and again, let me reiterate. This is this is Twitter, 98 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: this is x this is this is public stuff. Here 99 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: one a person pokes something publicly on social media, where 100 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: the whole point is to have a bunch of people 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: see it and perhaps respond to it. Right, You're not 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: yelling into the void for the purpose of yelling into 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: the void. I mean, maybe for some of you it's 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: about yelling into the void, but the reason why you're 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 2: posting on Twitter is to provoke a reaction, I would think. Now, 106 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: if you're just doing it because you want to hear 107 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: from people who agree with you, that's not the way 108 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: the world works. It's not the way it should work anyway, 109 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Then I too, someone in broadcasting is made aware of 110 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: this post. That would be me, which by the way, 111 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: is about a breaking news story. That person, again me, 112 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: then talks about it on a radio show. Then the 113 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: person who posted the original content then locks down their account. 114 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: And five. That's notable. Two as is your response. And 115 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: it is because part of what I talk about on 116 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: here is the issue of people with thin skin. And 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: I know none of you heard the show earlier today, 118 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: right when the first hour of the show. One of 119 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: the things that I talked about, probably leading up to 120 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: the twelve thirty pm news if you're listening in the 121 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: Eastern Standard zone, is this story that I saw again 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: on social media about a coffee shop in which the 123 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: staff put out their favorite coffee drinks or their favorite 124 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: drinks while they're at work. And somebody wrote that their 125 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: favorite drink to drink while they were on duty was 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: ice water with extra ice, and apparently there were people 127 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: who felt triggered by that description that drink, that that 128 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: person was making a political statement, and so they felt 129 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: compelled to change it. And so I talked about this, 130 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and the issue of people getting so triggered, 131 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: the issue of the micro aggression, and how that's general 132 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: problem here. Right at the end of the day, the 133 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: original person who posted this, she is welcome to her opinion. 134 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: He if it was a he is welcome has opinion. 135 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: In fact, I didn't know if it was a Actually 136 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: I did, because the name was a girl's name. Who 137 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: knows these days, right, it's twenty twenty six, what what? 138 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: What is a woman? Anyway? But the point is they 139 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: put it out there, and somebody is going to talk 140 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: about it, especially if it's a breaking story. And I 141 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: get this, this this new hurt Kirkculew writes, And I'm 142 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: supposed to believe that you're doing all this in good faith, 143 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: l m Ao. I was born at night, but it 144 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: wasn't last night. Again, don't know what that means. I 145 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: don't you know at the at the end of the day, 146 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean by by doing this 147 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: is my explanation in good faith. My explanation is my explanation. 148 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: It's up to you to determine whether or not you 149 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: think I'm making it a good in good faith or not. 150 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: All I could do is say I'm on the air, 151 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm talking about it. This is a story. Oh my word, 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: there was one in here. Oh yeah, I wanted to 153 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: see this again. You're not supposed to got this somebody 154 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: named pj V Photography. Vegas born, sooner, bred and a 155 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: Buckeye for life. I have a PhD in exploding stars, 156 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: and sometimes I take pictures of race cars and sometimes 157 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: you're right, you're write great poetry. Why won't this young 158 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: woman simply let me attack her in bad faith while 159 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: I try to get conservatives to dogpiler? Well, okay, nobody 160 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: was attacking her in bad faith. I would I would 161 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: appreciate an explanation for that. She wrote it. I mean, 162 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: it's it's just it's Twitter. It's a forum. You write 163 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: something where essentially you're making these fatuous statements and someone's 164 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: going to react to it. I mean, this is it's 165 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: fascinating to me. She closed her account. She didn't quick 166 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: kick your puppy, quit complaining, go defend this clown show 167 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: event on its merits. If you're concerned about perception. Okay, 168 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: America turns to fifty this year. Why shouldn't we have 169 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: an indie race in DC? I think it's very exciting stuff. 170 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: End of story. By the way, if she did close 171 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: her account, and I don't know if she did or not, 172 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't I don't know if she did or not. 173 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, wow, now let me say this much. Now, 174 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: I genuinely feel bad. So it looks like this person's 175 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: Sunflower Mads has closed her account. You shouldn't have had 176 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: to do that, and I'm sorry you felt compelled to 177 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: do that. Nobody was trying to harass you. You know. 178 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: The bottom line here is when you say outrageous things 179 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: and someone calls you out and pushes back on the 180 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:21,359 Speaker 2: outrageous things you are saying, that's that's not someone dogpiling, 181 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: that's not someone being disingenuous. But I feel terrible that 182 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: you felt compelled to close your account. Anyway, that's that's 183 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: end with all of this, And I'm sure I'm going 184 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: to get nothing. I'm not going to close my account. Guys, 185 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm not going to lock my account down. You're welcome 186 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: to at me at Andrew underscore Linger on Twitter, and 187 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: as I've said, you can call into the show here 188 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: if you want to three one seven six four three 189 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: eighty seven hundred. You can email me if you want, 190 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: Andrew Langer Radio, Gmail dot com. I'm Andrew Langer. I'm 191 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: in for Tony Katz today. Who know then? Who knew 192 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: it was going to be this kind of a show. 193 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about voting when we come back. Listen, guys, 194 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: there's a bit of melancholy news that's out there right now. 195 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: Catherine O'Hara passed away. Apparently she had a brief illness. 196 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: She's an actress. You would know her from everything, I 197 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: mean literally, from SCTV back in the early nineteen eighties 198 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: to the Home Alone movies where she played Kevin's mother, 199 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: to the various Christopher Guest mockumentary movies that he did. 200 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: She was one of the one of the main stage 201 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 2: players in movies like a Mighty Wind and Waiting for Guffman, 202 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: the Best in Show, I mean, those are all all 203 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: actually was she investment show? None other thing? Maybe not? 204 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: And the last of us recently A true a true 205 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: talent gone way too soon. You know, it's funny, Go 206 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: and watch if you get a chance. The John Candy documentary, 207 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: really she's ends a bit of time talking about him 208 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: and what was important in their lives and their interactions. 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna say an unsung comedy genius, no, 210 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: because she was welso, oh, you know, I'm not sure 211 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: I could say the name of the TV show on 212 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: the air, but Katherine o'harragon gone way too soon, I am. 213 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny sort of my family text. My 214 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: kids are talking about that, So it's funny. Beckett Adams 215 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: to need to I need to requote, repost this on Twitter, 216 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: Beckett Adams posted a segment from the movie Waiting for Guffman. 217 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen those Christopher Guest documentary movies, they're 218 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: really great because it's it's all kinds of, you know, 219 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: different scenarios. So Waiting for Guffman is about a community 220 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: that's putting on again. I think it's one hundred and 221 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary of their town, the town of Blaine. They're 222 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: gonna put on a pageant. And she and Fred Willard 223 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: play a couple that is auditioning and and you know 224 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: a lot of these a lot of these movies are 225 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: about people who are just not self aware, so much 226 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: of it is improv they One of the lines they 227 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: use in that movie, very important to a Midwestern audience is, uh, 228 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: we're we're by coastal if you consider the Mississippi River 229 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: to be one of the coasts, which I find very funny. 230 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: So there there's that uh and in uh in a 231 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: mighty wind. She's a folk singer, part of a folks 232 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: singing duet called Mitch and Mickey, and and it's it's 233 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: just it's all good stuff. So she is she is. 234 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: Fantastic logs some time this weekend with sc TV, which 235 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: was roughly contemporaneous with Saturday Night Live Saturday. So the 236 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live original cast, many of them came out 237 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: of the Second City Comedy Troupe. And because the Second 238 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: City lost so many of these many geniuses, folks realized 239 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: that there was an opportunity there, and so SCTV was 240 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: born out of a Canadian television and so you have 241 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: John Candy and Eugene Levy and Martin Short and Rick 242 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: Moranis and Katherine O'Hara and Angela lev I could go 243 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: on and on and on. Most of the shows are 244 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: up on YouTube. You can find them and and she 245 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: is just terrific. It's all about all about the timing, 246 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: all about the commitment to character. 247 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 248 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: So safe home. Uh Katherine O'Hara, you you are going 249 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: to be missed. I want to go here because one 250 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: of the other things that's happening in the world as 251 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: we're talking about what's going on in Minnesota, is the 252 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: issue of election integrity. And so you know, Chip Roy, 253 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: we're going to jump down to cut number fourteen, by 254 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: the way, Land and I'm giving you a warning here 255 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: because I didn't put it higher on the cutlist. Chip 256 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: Roy and Mike Lee have a have an amendment to 257 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: the Save Act talking about the issue of voter ID. 258 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play cut number fourteen. 259 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 5: At President Trump's suggestion, I'm walking into the Senate right 260 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 5: now to refile the Save Act. We've added a voter 261 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 5: ID provision, as he suggested, and also as Prisident Trump suggested, 262 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 5: We've renamed the Save Act. It's now called the Save 263 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 5: America Act because that's what it would do. This is 264 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: necessary to save America. When we save our voting system, 265 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 5: we protect American election security. We truly do save America. 266 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Let's get this passed. Listen, He's not wrong. The reality 267 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: is that this is vitally important to the overall survival 268 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: of the republic, and so you do we how do 269 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: we know this? 270 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: Well? 271 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: The Left is, of course using their usual trups. Here 272 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: is Representative Jaia Paul talking about the use of voter 273 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: I d let's go ahead and play cut number fifty. 274 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 6: A huge issue where we're filing cases in court around 275 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 6: states that are trying to suppress voters, you know, refuse 276 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 6: to provide water to people at the polls, all the 277 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 6: ways in which voters are intimidated, including as you mentioned, 278 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 6: new ID requirements that Republicans are trying to get into 279 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 6: many places. 280 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: You know, we've heard this trope before. I'm going to 281 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: reference another sport, by the way, because the stuff keeps 282 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 2: coming in. By the way, if any of you had 283 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: any I'm sorry. IM going to come back to this. 284 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: Someone named Boston Meg Soox writes on Twitter, I come 285 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: from swifty Twitter trenches. I will run I think she 286 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: means ruined. I will run this man's life for even 287 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: thinking of Madeline. I promise you know something. Boston Meg 288 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: Socks says it all Uh call us three one seven 289 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: six four three eighty seven hundred. You're more than welcome 290 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: to please we'll have this discussion about how you're going 291 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: to run my life. Here's the reality. The reality is 292 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: you remember that the Major League Baseball pulled out of 293 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: Georgia when Georgia was instituting voter ID rules, talking about 294 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: the issue of intimidation and voter suppression, and what happened. 295 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: More people after that voted more than ever in the 296 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: Georgia elections. It's not a form of voter intimidation. I 297 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to plan. I don't think I'm 298 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: gonna have time to do it. But there is this 299 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: video that is out of Arizona. An Arizona State senator 300 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: asked a series of questions to various various leftist groups 301 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: that were testifying before his committee, and he asked them 302 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: if they believed that only citizens should vote in Arizona elections, 303 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: and not one person could give him a straight answer 304 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: on this. The answer is very simple. The answer is no. 305 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: If you are not a citizen of the United States, 306 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: you are not allowed to vote in our elections. That's 307 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: the way it works. In the same way that if 308 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: I were living and working in France, and I was 309 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: not a French citizen, I wouldn't be able to vote 310 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: in French elections. If I were living and working in 311 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: the UK, I would not be able to I would 312 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: not be able to vote in UK elections. That's what 313 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: makes a nation a nation is alonely allowing its citizens 314 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: to vote in its elections. In any case, listen, when 315 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to be joined by Terry Wilcox. 316 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: We're going to be talking healthcare. She's with patients rising. 317 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langley as Tony Katy. Hey there, we've got 318 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: Terry Wilcox on the phone. But Mike called in. He's 319 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: got a quick question. Mike, good morning or good afternoon. 320 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Tony Kats today. What's on your mind? 321 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: Oh yes, sir. 322 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 7: My question was the Democrats. I think it's Schumer is 323 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 7: trying to pass the bill to get I say, just 324 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 7: where they can't wear a mask. And my question is 325 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 7: correct me if I'm wrong. But if they had a 326 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 7: question on an agent and want to know who he was, 327 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 7: whether he has a mask or not, couldn't they just 328 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 7: ask a supervisor and they would tell him. 329 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: And my question is. 330 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 7: If that's the case, then the only thing about taking 331 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 7: their mask off either one a form of intimidation to 332 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 7: try to intimidate the officers from doing their job, or 333 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 7: two to put their lives in danger. 334 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: That's exactly what the lives of their family. Listen, it's 335 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 2: the same, Mike. It's the same reason why they want 336 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: access to donor lists. It's the same reason why the 337 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: KKK and the state of Alabama wanted the donor list 338 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: to the NAACP back in the nineteen fifties. Right, we 339 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: have this case NAACP versus Alabama. It's all about intimidation. 340 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: They want to be able to intimidate to people that 341 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: they don't agree with. Right, What could possibly go wrong 342 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: when you have when you have Lawrence Krasner, the DA 343 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: of Philadelphia, saying we're going to hunt them down. What 344 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: could possibly go wrong if all of a sudden they 345 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: get docked. Listen, Terry, I'm sorry. Listen, Mike, I gotta 346 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: let you go because I want to bring our guest on. 347 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: Her name is Terry Wilcox. She is with Fund the Patient, 348 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: this new organization that's been stood up. She's got a 349 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: really great op ed in the DC Journal, The Real 350 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: cost of the ACA subsidy fight who's paying. But let's 351 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: pull it back Terry, and let's talk a little bit 352 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: about big insurance and the idea of funding the patient. 353 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: Talk about that, what that is all about. Why that's important? 354 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 4: Well, it's so important because we've tried it the insurance way, right, 355 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 4: We have tried funding insurance companies. 356 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: And let me tell you, when. 357 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: Insurers are complaining that they're losing money without subsidies and 358 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 4: all of these things, well, that tells you everything you 359 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: need to know, right that, Yes, tell Joe all you 360 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: need to know right there. 361 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 3: And funding the PA. What we're talking about is, let's 362 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: try it another way. 363 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: Let's turn this on its head and try to give 364 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: money to the actual patients to let them decide what's 365 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: best their care. I'm not talking about an emergency. I'm 366 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 4: talking about your general care. What type of insurance they want, what, 367 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: you know, what they want to use their HSA for, 368 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: what kinds of I want them to be able to 369 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 4: shop right right? 370 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: And And that's that's what it comes down to. One 371 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: of the things that I talk about in my work 372 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: is that healthcare is essentially a resource economics issue. We 373 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: don't have enough doctors, we don't have enough nurses, we 374 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: don't have enough physicians, assistants, and and so we don't 375 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: have enough time of those those medical care providers to 376 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: go around. And when you try to artificially depress the price, 377 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: which is what insurance does as a cost sharing mechanism, 378 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: it accelerates the decline in supply. And what I appreciate 379 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: about this approach to this, whether it's fund the patient 380 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: or patient's rising, is that it empowers the patients to 381 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: act on their own behalf. They have the money to 382 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: do with it what they want, how they want. And 383 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: this spurs the idea of finding new solutions in a 384 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: patient patient centric health care environment. Doesn't it. 385 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 386 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't have a health care We don't 387 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: have a healthcare system right now that is functioning as 388 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: a free market, right. We don't have a healthcare We 389 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 4: don't have a healthcare affordability problem. We have a government 390 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: design system that rewards high prices and punishes consumers. 391 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: You know, I literally just that I just had this 392 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: conversation with somebody about the Affordable Care Act and about 393 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: the insurance mandate and about how all of what we're 394 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: seeing now was part of the design, right the whole 395 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: idea was eventually they knew that big insurance was going 396 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: to be to go away, you know, the for profit model, 397 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: to be replaced by government run health insurance, and this 398 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: was a way for the insurance companies to get as 399 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: much money out of the system as they could. Again, 400 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: this changes the dynamic, doesn't it. 401 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 402 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 4: I mean, real reform for us, for fund the patient 403 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: for patients, right thing is moving money closer to the patient, 404 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: not farther away. So expanding and modernizing health savings accounts 405 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: and encouraging direct primary care. We have a we have 406 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 4: a huge primary care doctor shortage in this country because 407 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 4: they don't take you know, all the they don't take 408 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: all the plans. Some don't even take Medicare advantage anymore. 409 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: There's all kinds. So we are lacking in that. 410 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: My own husband here in Northern Virginia struggled to get 411 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 4: a primary care doctor. 412 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: I mean, it's we. 413 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: Have to we have a direct primary care doctor for 414 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 4: that reason. 415 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: As as someone who as someone who is married to 416 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: a primary care physician, believe me these Listen, my wife 417 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: is the person who hit me to the fact that 418 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: we've got this, we've got this shortage. That's out there already. 419 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: And one of the things. The other thing that I 420 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: talk about is, you know, what we think about as 421 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: health insurance isn't really insurance at all, right, it is. 422 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: It is a cost sharing mechanism similar to to costco. Right. 423 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: The idea is is if you get enough patients buying in, 424 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: and you should have sort of the the economies of 425 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: scale that go into it. But you know, when costco 426 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 2: starts running out of toilet paper or paper towels, they 427 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: can just go order more from the supplier. Not the 428 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: case here. Well, you know, insurance is supposed to be 429 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: used for catastrophes. That's why I've always liked the HSA 430 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 2: centered model. You have hsas combined with a high deductible 431 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: health insurance plan, so you're saving up so you're not 432 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: spending insurance money for your annual or semi annual uh uh, 433 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: family family doc visit, your your your your your check up. 434 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: You're you're spending money out of your HSA on that 435 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 2: while you're also saving for for you know, the deductible 436 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: in case you do have a catastrophe. This is what 437 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: we're talking about, isn't it, Terry? 438 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely? You, I mean, you have to allow patients to 439 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: be able to do that. 440 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: I mean right now, we don't have a functioning insurance 441 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 4: system right now. Basically, when you have a one size 442 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: fits all plan, which is what the Affordable Care Act 443 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 4: marketplace is, it's a. 444 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: One size fits all plan. 445 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: So that's what makes it so incredibly expensive. 446 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 3: So now we want you know, and I always tell people, 447 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I don't file an. 448 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 4: Acclaim with my homeowners insurance to get my gutter steam 449 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: every year, and I file a claim with my car 450 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: insurance to change my oil, right, so we shouldn't do 451 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: that to go just visit the doctor for an annual checkup. 452 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: I understand why it's covered. I get all the reasonings 453 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: behind it. I actually do. But at the same time, 454 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 4: it's a lot of money. When you're talking about the 455 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 4: average premium now for a family of forrest twenty seven 456 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 4: thousand dollars right twenty What could you do with how 457 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: many primary care visits could you get? 458 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: You imagine if you we're putting that into some kind 459 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: of even low interest bearing HSA coupled with a high 460 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: deductible real catastrophic insurance plan. The things that can be 461 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 2: done with this. So what's next? I mean, we we'd 462 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: gotten past the subsidy fight. Now we're dealing with ice 463 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: of DHS funding. But what's going to be next in 464 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: terms of healthcare reform in Congress because some of this, 465 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: so much of this has to be a legislative fix. 466 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: What are you guys looking at in early twenty twenty 467 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: six on this. 468 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: Well, what we're looking at are you know, there's several 469 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: bills floating around out there, and the primary thing that 470 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 4: patient's rising and fund the patient are looking at is 471 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 4: we want. 472 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: To see bills and options. And the President put laid 473 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: out a lot. 474 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 4: Of things that you see he wants in the Great 475 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 4: American health Care Plan that he laid out a couple 476 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: of weeks ago. 477 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: But we wanted to. 478 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: Help people, not systems, Empower patients not bureaucrats, you know, 479 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: create competition so costs are lower and that's what and 480 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 4: transparency and pricing. These are the things that we want 481 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: to see. You know, the plan needs to encompassed. We 482 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 4: need to we need to take the Rubus Cuba of 483 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 4: health care, which we've been trying to do the same 484 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 4: way now for about fifteen years. 485 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: Right, only got more extensive and. 486 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: Kind of turn it on its head and try to 487 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 4: do the other side and see what happens when we 488 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: when we, you know, switched the paradigm towards people in 489 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: patience and give it a shot. It doesn't have to 490 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 4: be everything all at once, all at the same time. 491 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 4: It doesn't even have to mean kill the ACA completely. 492 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: Imagine if imagine if we had allowed for the greater 493 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: HSA usage when the affordable character was first passed, and 494 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: at the same time we had engaged in a moonshot 495 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: style program to create more doctors, especially primary care physicians, 496 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: and we went out there and we funded residency programs, 497 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: which is the other part of this that nobody talks about, 498 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: that we don't have enough residency programs to go around. 499 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: So we get all of those things funded where we 500 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 2: would have been in twenty twenty six if we had 501 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: started in twenty ten, two eleven, Terry, how do folks 502 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: find out, marb But the good work that you guys 503 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: are doing at Patients Rising and fund the patient. 504 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: Well, if for fund the patient, you can go to 505 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 4: fundthepatient dot com. And that's everything about our campaign, which 506 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 4: I am a advisor on and then I am the 507 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: co founder and chief executive officer of Patients Rising, which 508 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 4: is Patients Rising dot org. And we offer programs to 509 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 4: teach patients not only about the healthcare system and how 510 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: to advocate for themselves within. 511 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: It, but also how to advocate for others as well. 512 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: So that's what Patient's Rising has a lot of programs 513 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: like that. 514 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: What I appreciate about the work that you're doing at 515 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: Fund the Patient and Patience Rising is that you have 516 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: both physicians and public health experts who are deeply involved 517 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: and looking at your advisory board right now. That makes 518 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: me feel good because we need thoughtful people who are 519 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: deep thinkers about these issues, engaging in the advocacy. I 520 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: hope to have you back soon. Thank you so ver 521 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: much for john us today. 522 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: Thank you have a good day. 523 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: Take care. That's Terry Wilcox. She is the founder and 524 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: CEO of Patients Rising. That's p a I T I 525 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: e n T S Rising dot org. Also fund the 526 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: Patient dot com f U n D Fund the Patient 527 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: dot com. Go and check those out. I'm Andrew Langer Litsen. 528 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Olympic hockey in a couple of minutes. 529 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: Uh here on Tony Katz today, so land and telling 530 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: me he's off to uh to go and and do 531 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: production for the IU hockey team tonight, Land And I'm sorry, 532 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: is it their last game? 533 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: Oh? 534 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: How exciting? Listen? So much fun. You're gonna have fun. 535 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know you're gonna have so much fun tonight. 536 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: With that in mind, something I wanted to talk about today. 537 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: Big Special drops on on Netflix today and yes, the 538 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: comments are still coming in on on the on the 539 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: IndyCar Race and DC, Wow, you know you touch you 540 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: talk about the third rail? Boy? Oh boy that I did. 541 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: I touched the third rail today, Land, And thank you 542 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: Tony for following this. I know Tony's sitting there laughing 543 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: his keystar off on all of these things. I am 544 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: a hockey fan. My brothers were the players. I never 545 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: had the coordination for it. I like watching it, and 546 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: you know, like a lot of folks my age, you 547 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: come into it because you watch the nineteen eighty US 548 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: Olympic Cop hockey team. And I bring it up today 549 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: because this new Netflix documentary comes out today, and the 550 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: seminal documentary of course being the HBO documentary Do You 551 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: Believe In Miracles? And then of course the movie with 552 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Kurt Russell called Miracle. I was trying to get Mike 553 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: Ruzione on. We're trying to figure out a time, but 554 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: he is just so busy doing press right now that 555 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: it just didn't happen. But I want to take your 556 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: memories back to nineteen eighty and the final ten seconds 557 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: of that game in which the Americans went in as underdogs, 558 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: are very very important. Go ahead, like cut twenty one 559 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: there landing. 560 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 7: Well, you're looking us get hit by rand Land? Is there? 561 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: The puppy still loose? 562 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 7: You've got putt going on? 563 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: No world. I cannot help, but get end it there. 564 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: I cannot help but getting you get goosebumps every time 565 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: I hear it. And I can't tell you how many 566 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: times I have heard al Michaels say, do you believe 567 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: in miracles? This was a seminal moment in American history. 568 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: It is I rank it up there. I rank it 569 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: up there with the Moon landing. I rank it up 570 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: there with with the Ripe Brothers at Kitty Hawk. You 571 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: know this was a This was a seminal moment. Why 572 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: because America was on the ropes and a great many 573 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: of you will remember this, remember the seventies and coming 574 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: out of Vietnam and coming out of War Gate and 575 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: the economic problems frankly that were caused in no small 576 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: measure by Nixon and then exacerbated by Jimmy Carter. We 577 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: had the hostage crisis, you know, the Americans that have 578 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: been held hostage in Iran. We're still still find that war. 579 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: We had the Soviets in well invade Afghanistan. And as 580 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: the backdrop of all of this, the Americans had not 581 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: won a gold medal in Olympic hockey since nineteen sixty 582 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: and the Soviets had this professional team as if you 583 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: watch the HBO documentary they were they were. They were 584 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: amateurs in name only only through the sort of manipulation 585 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: of the rules, because they weren't being paid as hockey players. 586 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: They were being paid as members of the US military, 587 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: of the US military, the Russian military. Sorry, it's been 588 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: a long day. And so the US team was not 589 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: just a bunch of am but a bunch of kids, right. 590 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: These were These were guys who were either just out 591 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 2: of college or still in college. They hadn't played together before, 592 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: unlike the Russian national team, which had been practicing together 593 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: for years uh and had this just level of professionalism 594 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: that they didn't have. But you had Herb Brooks, the 595 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: famed hockey coach, and he was brought on board and 596 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: and and it was perceived as a thankless job. But 597 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: he had an idea in mind. He knew how to 598 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: go after the Russians. He had a program and it 599 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: started with endurance. He was playing the long game in 600 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: a very literal sense. And these college kids came back 601 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: and they won. And by the way, a lot of 602 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: folks don't realize, they had to win one more game 603 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: after that. I think they had to beat Sweden after this. 604 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: And there was a moment in my CRUZIONI talks about 605 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: this in the HBO documentary and I would have asked 606 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: him about it today if we'd been able to get 607 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: him on the air. You know, Herb Brooks, his only 608 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: pep talk was after they'd already beaten the Russians and 609 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: they were up for this gold medal game. He says, 610 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: if you don't win this game, you're gonna take it 611 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: to your effing graves. And he stopped at a beat, 612 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: turned around and said, you're effing graves. And they went 613 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: on and they won, and it was it was It 614 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: was spectacular, a spectacular moment, a singular moment in American history. Listen, 615 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: it's been a thin slice of heaven to everybody. Oh, 616 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: I apologize for offending the the IndyCar lovers out there 617 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: by talking about it. How dare I talk about it 618 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 2: on the air. You can check me out Andrew Langer 619 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 2: Radio at gmail dot com, at Andrew underscore Anger on Twitter. 620 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: Tony is back on Monday, I believe, so check him 621 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 2: out and thank you Tony, Thank you Landon, Thank you everybody. 622 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. Please say