1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: So Trump went to the u INN yesterday spoke. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: On the eightieth anniversary of the United Nations. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: What is the purpose of the U in now? Like, 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: what does it actually do? Like I get that the 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: UN was created in a you know, a post World 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: War two world to say, hey, if we're all united, 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: then hopefully we're going to stop you know, a future 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: madman lunatics, Hitler type people from marching across the world. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: That if we as a group of people who profess 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: to care about freedom and liberty and decency for our citizens, 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: regardless of our politics, that if we care about that, 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: that in a united front, if we say, if one 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: of us gets you know, taken down or taken at, 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: you're messing with all of us, that will hopefully prohibit 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: this sort of thing from happening. Ever, again, however, my 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: question today is what does the UN actually do and 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: what purpose does it actually serve? 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: That's the same thing Donald Trump asked, Oh great is 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: nearly our long speech? He questioned the value of the UN. 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: He said the same thing, what is the purpose of 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: the United Nations? At this point it seems like it's 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: a free trip to New York for the delegates. 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Well, basically, it is, and it's come out how much 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: we we being the United States of America pay to 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: keep this operation afloat, certainly compared to other organizations or other 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: other countries rather that aren't paying or pulling their fair share. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: And how many times as the United States basically had 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: to go it alone on something and the rest of 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: the world was like, well, good luck with that, thanks, 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: we'll see you later. I don't have any answer for you, Casey, 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: which I did. I've just seen too many times where 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: it appears corrupt, certainly corruption. How many of these leaders 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: and people in charge or quasi in charge of the 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: UN if we see under corruption clouds or allegations or whatever. 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: And then in terms of actual action itself, you just 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: don't see a lot, certainly from the money you put 37 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: into it. 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: Well, it didn't start off very well because right when 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump got there, the escalator broke, and then when 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: he started to speak, the teleprompter went down. I've seen 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: it reported that the teleprompter was operated by somebody from 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: the White House. And I've also seen a report that 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: somebody jokingly said we should stop the escalator when Trump 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: gets here, and that's now being investigated. I believe by 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: this secret service. But Donald Trump, he was upset about 46 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: the teleprompter not working, and he even commented about it. 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: I ended seven wars, dealt with the leaders of each 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: and every one of these countries, and never even received 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: a phone call from the United Nations offering to help 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: in finalizing the deal. All I got from the United 51 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: Nations was an escalator that on the way up, stopped 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: right in the middle. If the first lady wasn't in 53 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 3: great shape, she would have fallen. But she's in great shape. 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 3: We're both in good shape. We both stood. 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: And then a teleprompter that didn't work. 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 3: This is These are the two things I got from 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: the United Nations. A bad escalator and a bad teleprompter. 58 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 59 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Good for him. Look, I mean, what are the accomplishments 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: of the United Nations. This is how you look at 61 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: any government in any tax dollar investment. It should be 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: the way you would run a company. Here's the amount 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: of money we've put into the thing. Here's what we've 64 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: gotten as a result. Does this seem like a worthwhile 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: use of our resources? And I think you would struggle 66 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: to justify it if you did it in that fashion 67 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: And laid it out to the American people. 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: People were saying different things that good for him. The 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: teleprompter went down and he just went up there and 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: riffed for an hour. It was the longest un speech 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: by US president ever. And then there's of course the 72 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: other side saying he sounded absolutely ridiculous because he was 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: going off his talking points. Doesn't he always do that though, 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: even when the teleprompter is working, he goes off point. 75 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: He did touch on a lot of different subjects. He 76 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: was very critical of green energy and climate change. 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: If you don't get away from this green scam, your 78 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: country is going to fail. And I'm really good at 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: predicting things. 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: You know. 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: They actually said doing the campaign they had a hat, 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: the best selling hat. Trump was right about everything. And 83 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't say that in a braggadocious. 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: Way, but it's true. I've been right. 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: About everything, and I'm telling you that if you don't 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: get away from the green energy scam, your country is 87 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: going to fail. 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: How do you think braggadocious translates because many of the 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: people are using headsets to translate into their language. 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think I think at this point, if 91 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: you've been at this thing for what has it been 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: now eighty years? Right? Is that along? The UN's been around, 93 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: and it is what it is, and it's a group 94 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: of world leaders, many of them from a horribly corrupt, 95 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: underhanded countries that are allowed into this thing, and they're 96 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: making decisions based on their best financial interest or their 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: own personal interest, not safety and stability and security of 98 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: the world, or accountability to other maniacal tyrannical governments are 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: keeping them in check. I don't know. I don't see 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: much point in being involved, but clearly the United States 101 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: still remains an active and integral part of it, at 102 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: least for now. 103 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: He accused the UN of being ineffective. He said, all 104 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: they seem to do is write a strongly worded letter 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: and then never follow up. Claim. The UN offered no 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: help during this seasire ceasefire efforts between Gaza and also Ukraine. 107 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: He mentioned on immigration, he was talking mostly I believe 108 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: to the countries in Europe that they were going to 109 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: go to hell because of their open borders. 110 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: You have to end it now, said I can tell 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: you I'm really good at this stuff. Your countries are 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: going to hell. In America, we've taken bold action to 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: swiftly shut down uncontrolled migration. 114 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm really good at this step. You all suck, You're rotten, horrible. 115 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Have I told you about ted ted Day? 116 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: One thing that came out of yesterday though, after he 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: met with Vladimir Zelenski, he said Ukraine can win back 118 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: all of its territory in its original form. Major shift 119 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: from his earlier comments where he was talking about landswaps. 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: So what changed his mind? 121 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: Well, Putin didn't do what he wanted, and that's sort 122 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: of how Trump operates, right, I mean, the problem is, like, 123 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: what's your Trump took a very took a very clear 124 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: position on this, he did during the campaign, and then 125 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: he obviously took it once he got in office, which 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: is Ukraine is an annoying little gnat and we're done 127 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: dealing with you and sending all this money to you, 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: which is fine. The problem though, is once you take 129 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: that position without a clear concession from the other side, 130 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Putin's gonna be like, well, great, we're done here, thank you, goodbye, 131 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: and now Putin. I don't know why Trump thought, if 132 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: he was going to announce that publicly, that Putin was 133 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: going to do any sort of concessions, because he knows 134 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: that you can't. Ukraine can't defeat him on their own, certainly, 135 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: not if the US isn't actively involved in the whole thing. 136 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: He knows those other European countries aren't gonna step up 137 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: in any sort of substance and help them. My point 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: on the Ukraine thing has always been, I don't think 139 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: they're our friend to begin with. I don't think they 140 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: like us. I think we have way more interest, in 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: vested interest in getting along with the Russians that we 142 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: do the Ukrainians, from everything from economics to energy to terrorism. 143 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: I just don't I've never seen Ukraine. I'm not saying 144 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: Russia is good good. I'm just saying it either both 145 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: sides are bad, and one side we have more of 146 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: a vested interest in having a relationship with than the other, 147 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and it's gonna make my life easier and our country's 148 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: life easier. I say, go with them. It's not like 149 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: we're dealing with holy rollers on the Ukrainian side. They're 150 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: all bad and I just have never understood that amount 151 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: of vested interest in the Ukraine. But from Trump, from 152 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: a Trump position, the moment you declared Lewinsky or Lewinsky 153 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: of Zelenski. That was another person in the White House 154 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: for a while. Go squish. What did you think Putin 155 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: was gonna do? 156 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: So when it comes to Trump, you have to consider 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: this is just another new negotiating tactic. He's just trying 158 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: the same thing from a different angle. Right, he said 159 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: he was gonna end this war. After twenty four hours, 160 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: that hasn't happened. So let's redirect and try something else. 161 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: He has repeatedly called for Europe to stop buying Russian 162 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: oil and gas. 163 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Well, why would they do that. They don't play by 164 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the same rule as we do. That's what I'm saying 165 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: about the UN. It's like they don't. 166 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: They don't until they need something. 167 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: Well, right, they're not gonna They're not gonna do what 168 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: you say, because we're the only people who always seem 169 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: to have some sort of moral obligation to do what's right. 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: Everybod else is like, now we're gonna do what we want. Oh, 171 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: we're in this group. H Well, you know whatever. 172 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: You see the video of the French president Macaron are 173 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: stuck in traffic. 174 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: No, he wasn't able to. I tried to avoid all 175 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: things you in casey. In fact, this is the first 176 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: time I've been exposed to the UN in a long time, 177 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: because they're just they're just exhausting. But he wasn't able 178 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: to make it. Well. 179 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: He got the road was blocked off for security purposes. 180 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: So he actually called Donald Trump and. 181 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: How does that? Donald Trump was like, well, I guess walk, 182 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: don't they I mean, don't they have those guys that 183 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: are like like the flags and stuff, like, don't they 184 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: have some sort of light or something that says important 185 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: n guy on the car? Now you can roll down 186 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: the window. It's not like you can't see. I don't 187 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: believe you, Like, don't they have a picture of the 188 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: guy that they can size it up with and be like, Okay, yeah, 189 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I guess that is the you know, the head of 190 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: head of the French government. We should probably probably should 191 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: have let him through, let him go. 192 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but I feel like I 194 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: gotta agree with Todd Raketa on something. 195 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: Okay. 196 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Todd Raketa is the Attorney general for the state of Indiana, 197 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: and he came out. Capitol Chronicle other publications have an 198 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: article about this and basically said, hey, there is legal precedent. 199 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: If you're a school system and you've got these teachers 200 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you got the president 201 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: to fire them, to get rid of them, suspend them, 202 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. You're in goods legal footing 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: if you want to do that. 204 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 205 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: He sent out a six page memo to school superintendents 206 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: and also university administrators, and he said, you've got the 207 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: legal authority to punish educators for divisive or offensive political speech. 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: They've got morality clauses. Right, Well, that's right. 209 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: So any tea, almost all ta I assume all teachers 210 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: still do. But part of your contract with whatever school 211 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: district do you work for is a morality clause, right, 212 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: And and government workers collectively usually have this. Now that 213 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: sounds laughable, right, but some of the behavior we see 214 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: from government people, employees, whatever, and it's not just government, 215 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, corporations whatever, have these these 216 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: things in contracts where hey, if you do you know 217 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: anything to embarrass this company, this entity, whatever, we have 218 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: the the right, based on your own behavior, to throw 219 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: you out of here. And basically what the Attorney General 220 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: is saying, is hey celebrating the death of an innocent 221 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: person who did nothing wrong. This is not doing a 222 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: cheer when they announced we got Osama bin Laden, the 223 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: guy who bow up the twin towers. This is an 224 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: innocent human who did nothing wrong, who preached peace, who 225 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: preached civility, who the whole basically premise of his existence 226 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: was I go places and have hard conversations with many 227 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: people who don't like me, and I do it in 228 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: a polite and nice manner. And cheering that death as 229 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: an educator who is in charge of children certainly could 230 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: be viewed as a violation of your morality clause or 231 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the standards you're held to as a public servant. And 232 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: you're on grounds to get rid of these people. 233 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, even if the posts are made in 234 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: a personal capacity, they could be vulgar and disruptive, and 235 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: he said that they could legally terminate if it has 236 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,239 Speaker 2: a crass tone, or if there's a community backlash, disruption 237 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: or and this is the biggie, we've heard about this before, 238 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: loss of trust. 239 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: Right, And you know what's interesting to me, like we 240 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: hear this the excuses now all the time are in 241 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: my personal capacity, there ain't no, per I mean, there 242 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: is an extent of like, if you're a government employee, 243 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: some people may need to hear this more than others. 244 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: But if you're a government employee and you want to 245 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: be involved in politics, you can do that on your 246 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: own time, not while you're working in the on the 247 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: state time, or in the stay are supposed to be 248 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: in the state house or whatever. You can go to 249 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: a political event in the evening, and there's no problem 250 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: with that. But this idea of personal pages, accounts, whatever, 251 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: if the world can see it, you're always a reflection 252 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: of your employer. It's the reason that even though I 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: could use much crasser language than I use on this 254 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: radio pro I always try to use the same tone 255 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: and tenor that I do here. It doesn't make me 256 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: any less feisty on social media, but I'm always aware 257 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: of Hey, if you're putting it on the Internet, you 258 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: are you are being judged, or you're subject to being 259 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: judged and subject to the scrutiny and potential discipline of 260 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: your employer because you are a representative of that. When 261 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: people think of Rob Kendall or Casey Daniels, to think 262 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: of WIBC sure which they think of urban one, and 263 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: urban one gives us a lot of leeway on things 264 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: we want to say on here, And I've just always 265 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: tried to take that approach for the most part to 266 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: the internet, not being any less direct with people, but 267 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: just not using language any different than I would use here. 268 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: And the same thing as true for you're a teacher, 269 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: Like just because you did on your personal page and 270 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: do in the classroom, kids can still see it, kids 271 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: can still consume it. You are giving an insight into 272 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: your worldview, which if you are celebrating the death of 273 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: an innocent person, you have no business educating children or 274 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: being in charge of children. 275 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: So Roke claims that there's a balancing test that applies. 276 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: It's the school's interest as an employer versus the teacher's 277 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: free speech rights. If you just are adamant and you 278 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: have to put something out there on social media for 279 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: your community to know where you stand, set it on private, 280 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: perhaps that way it's not. 281 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: But it's gonna get out you buy everything. Body's still 282 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna still gonna see it, right, I mean, it still 283 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: could be shared. It's still gonna be screenshotted, screenshotted, screenshot, screenshot, 284 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: screenshot yeah, and shared. If you look, the internet is 285 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: not private. What you do on the internet, what you post. 286 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what you post on the internet. Public consumption 287 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: can be consumed by the public, especially like look, if 288 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: you're some guy and I'm not in any way trying 289 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: to like degrade or anybody, But if you're a local, 290 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: you know whatever, work at the local convenience store, Okay, 291 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm not in no way trying to, you know, say 292 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: these people are bad or not contriunity society or whatever. 293 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: But you're not going to be under the same You're 294 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: not in the same public eye as someone who is 295 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: of stature in the community that a teacher would be, 296 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: because people know the teacher, they know the teacher is 297 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: in charge of kids. 298 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: They know the teacher has influence over young y. 299 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, you could post something as the guy 300 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: who works at the convenience store. A girl works at 301 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: the convenience store, and even if it's the same level 302 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: of disgusting, you're probably gonna get away with it because 303 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: nobody's word when you're ringing up the sodas and the 304 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: candy bars about what your view of Charlie Kirk was. 305 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: But if you're a teacher, and educator. Absolutely, people are 306 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: going to know about it, and you are going to 307 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: be judging. You're going to be held to a higher standard. 308 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,239 Speaker 2: Do you have a morality clause? You probably do. Most 309 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: contracts do. You don't know word for word. But isn't 310 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: it interesting though, that our legislators do they have a 311 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: morality clause? Because there are many that say, by the way, 312 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: if you get pulled over for du why you're out 313 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: of here. 314 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: It's the elections, right, But the problem is those guys 315 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: have written the laws to exempt themselves. Those guys have 316 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: written the laws so that they aren't held to account 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: on this. I'm sure I do. My thing has always 318 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: been I just try to take the same persona and 319 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: same standard of this radio show and put it on 320 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: the internet. Like that's what I'm willing to put on 321 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: the internet. I am pretty good at knowing where the 322 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: line is. And that's just you have to have self control. 323 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: And that's like, what would I say when I post 324 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: something on the Internet. I always trying to think if 325 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: if if David would our boss, or Dion were standing 326 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: his boss, or Andrea were standing right in front of 327 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: us me, what would they say. I don't think I 328 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: ever posted anything on the Internet that they would be like, 329 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: I am so surprised or appalled that you posted that. 330 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: They know what they get when they employ Rob Kendall. 331 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: There's not like, oh he was mean to a politician. 332 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: He called some guy a dope or an idiot shocker, 333 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: no kidding, ye, right, But they don't have to worry 334 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: about about me on here swearing or doing anything that's 335 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: going to get them in trouble with the or using 336 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: words that get them in trouble with the Federal Communications Commission, 337 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: or they're not gonna worry about that on the internet either. 338 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: You know, I hate these people as much there as 339 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: I do here. You just got to know. And the 340 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: same thing as a teacher. You have to know and 341 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: use some restraint because what you're telling people, if you 342 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: can't use restraint on the internet, how can you use 343 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: it in the classroom. 344 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendell and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 345 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Another in trouble related to misusing money from the Come 346 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: of Sarah. 347 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: Here we go again. 348 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's reset why this is interesting. Now. This 349 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: is Clinton County and we'll talk We'll talk about that 350 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: in a second, but This is interesting because many of 351 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: you longtime listeners will know that Mike Braun's close political 352 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: ally and friend, Tom Kleinhelter, is the sheriff of du 353 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Bois County, Mike Broun's home county. He was facing an 354 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: eighty page probable cause affidavit from the Indiana State Police 355 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: for allegedly misusing money from the commissary. So the commissary 356 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: is the money that people in the jail will pay 357 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: in for various food snacks, you know what, various items, 358 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: and then that money is controlled by the sheriff, and 359 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: in most cases there is a check and bounce reporting 360 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: mechanism to the county. I believe it's the county commissioners. 361 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: And in the case of Tom Kleinelter, he was allegedly 362 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: paying for like flights for his wife to various conferences 363 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: that she had nothing to do with for the government. 364 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: It was allegedly just a horrible misuse of public money. 365 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden Braun becomes governor, new 366 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: state police superintendent comes in. Did the churches magically go away? 367 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: This guy in Clinton County? I guess we can say 368 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: we don't have to say allegedly anymore because the court 369 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: has ruled against them, the Clinton County Sheriff, Richard. 370 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: Kelly and his wife Ashley, and their company. Yeah, there 371 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: was a summary judgment granted against them. 372 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: Said hold my beer, and they're saying he misappropriated three 373 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars, right, that's a hell 374 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: of a lot of money, Casey. 375 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, two hundred and nineteen thousand of it came directly 376 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: from the jail commissary funds. So what's a summary judgment? 377 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: So summary judgment is essentially when the facts of the 378 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: case are not in dispute, there is no need for 379 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: a trial. Here's the thing you did or said the thing. 380 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: There's no dispute about what happened. Okay, Now we asked 381 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: the judge to rule in our favor, and in this case, 382 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: it looks like there wasn't really much dispute about what 383 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: was going on. 384 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Looks like they use their company, a company that they 385 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: solely owned, to manage the commissary operations. 386 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is pretty brazen behavior. They created an LLC too. Yeah, 387 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: well it was a big dip. When you're in the 388 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands case, I ain't a little dip. That's 389 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: a big dip. So it's it should hopefully in light 390 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: of Jamie Nole, the horribly corrupt former sheriff of Clark 391 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: County who's now in prison. You've got klein Helter, who, 392 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: thanks to his buddy getting elected governor, was able to 393 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: escape an eighty page probable cause affidavit. He should probably 394 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: be incarcerated somewhere. And now this guy. We got to 395 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: take a major look at how these sheriffs are operating, 396 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: especially in light of klein Helter and this guy with 397 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: the allegations being the misuse of money from the commissary, 398 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: the oversight on this and how these guys are you 399 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: be able to pull this off? 400 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: Did you see there was an update in the Jamie 401 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: Nole case. The judge ordered him to pay back the 402 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: nine hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in damages to the 403 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: state of India. 404 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sure he'll get right on that from 405 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: his prison cell. But again, oh, by the way, casey 406 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: trivia question, who is the only person in the county 407 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: who can arrest the sheriff? 408 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, we had this the other day. What was it? 409 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: Was it? The corner it is. 410 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: I'm very impressed. The coroner is the other person in 411 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: the county who can arrest the arrest the sheriff. So look, 412 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: I've said this for a long time, and local governments 413 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: are very easy to manipulate and take advantage of because 414 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: a lot of the people are lazy and don't read 415 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm saying the elected people, they don't read their claims, 416 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: they don't read the finances. If they do read them, 417 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: they don't know how to process it. It's why our 418 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: local governments are in the shape they're in, which no 419 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: matter how much money they get, it's never enough money. 420 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: And so in this case, especially like stuff with the commissary, 421 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: you've got to be all over this sort of stuff. 422 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: You've got to be reading these claims, you've got to 423 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: be sifting through them. And I think some of these 424 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: sheriffs have kind of figured out, Hey, it's the it's 425 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: the land where it's just giant pots of gold at 426 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: the end of every rainbow. And I think the government 427 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: is going to really, the State of Indiana is really 428 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: going to have to take a look at how these 429 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: sheriffs are monitored, especially how their funds are monitored, and 430 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: the idea that they just get this money and and 431 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's catch me if you can. 432 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Right following Roling, the Clinton County commissioners, they called for 433 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: immediate resignations. They said public trust, public trust has been broken, 434 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: and that this is about accountability, not politics. And they 435 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: said that they have forfeited their right to serve in 436 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: public office by doing this. You've got to wonder how 437 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: much of this behavior comes down to sort of that 438 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: narcissistic attitude of Hey, I'm the top dog, nobody can 439 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: touch me. 440 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've been think about if you are the sheriff. 441 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean essentially you are the highest ranking official in 442 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: the county, right and you got to be pretty grounded 443 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: not to let that sort of thing run to your 444 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, run to your head. And in this case, 445 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: and again, we're not talking about some person who made, 446 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, an accidental like I used the wrong credit card. Oops, sorry, 447 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: I bought a stick of gum. You know, we're talking 448 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: about hundreds of thousands of dollars, clear intent and intentions 449 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: and what these people were doing. 450 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's going on in Carmel. Mayor su 451 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: Fincam she has withdrawn her plan to create a new 452 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: nonprofit called Experience Carmel. This After she faced some pushback 453 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: from the Carmel City Council, the plan was removed from 454 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: the twenty six budget proposal. And what this was is 455 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: they talk about creating this nonprofit that would take over 456 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: the fifty plus city events and festivals and handle all 457 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: the city marketing duties. Is it? 458 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: Let me wait wait now, I'm seeming to recall there's 459 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: something going on with the State of Indiana and a 460 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: nonprofit and the State of Indiana giving a lot of 461 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: money to a non profit in the Economic Development Corporation 462 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: and they didn't pay the money back. Are you catching 463 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: on her casey, Like, there should not be any You 464 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: are the government, You're supposed to be a nonprofit. Of course, 465 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: we know nobody's more in the profit business than the government. 466 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: There should not be a reason for the government to 467 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: form a nonprofit. 468 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: So they said that this nonprofit was aimed to cut 469 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: cost and also streamline operations. 470 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, so the government and government related projects 471 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: was going to create a company, give them money, and 472 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: then they were going to do the job the government 473 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: could just do, but somehow was going to it was gos. 474 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: They were going to do it cheaper to create a 475 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: whole new layer of people we had to go through 476 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: yep ok so. 477 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: Finkham said that the plan would reduce the marketing and 478 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: community relations budget by eighty two percent, also save one 479 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars, move eight city employees to the nonprofit, 480 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: which would reduce their costs on insurance and benefits as well, 481 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: and they would rely more on private donations to support 482 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: the nonprofit. 483 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Here here was all in text. Here was always my 484 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: question on this. When people would ask the come to us, 485 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: and they would say the government should, I would always ask, 486 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: why isn't the private sector doing it? If this is 487 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: like you're going to tell me there aren't enough civic 488 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: minded people in Caramel to take over whatever these things 489 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: actually are. It's our own thing. It's separate of the 490 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, Like, why doesn't the private 491 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: sector just do it? Why does the city need to 492 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: form a nonprofit? You are the nonprofit, you are the government. 493 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: See this is out and it goes right back to 494 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: that IDC group that is under all the scrutiny and 495 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: not able to pay the money back. That never makes 496 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: any sense to me. And it sounds like some people 497 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: in Carmel were rather on alert about this as well 498 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: and said no way. 499 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: The council said that there wasn't enough time to set 500 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: up and implement the nonprofit by twenty six, So they've 501 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: got this revised budget and timeline. 502 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: But okay, let's come back to it. If there's all 503 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: these do gooders in Carmel, because you're setting up a nonprofit, 504 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: which seemingly would mean you're bringing an outside people, why 505 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: don't the do gooders get together form their own nonprofit 506 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: and then the city can evaluate, Hey, is it worth 507 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: it as a city government to just hand all this 508 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: stuff off to them and say the government has no 509 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: business in this and other than if you need space 510 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: for something or whatever, y'all, y'all have at it. This 511 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: is These are the questions that I would be asking. 512 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they've answered those questions, but clearly there are very 513 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: viable concerns Froom people inside the Carmels City government. So 514 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: as usual, people are thinking more along the lines of me. 515 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: The department's twenty six budget is now two point eight 516 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: million dollars. It's less than it was last year, and 517 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: so Finkham hopes to revisit this for the twenty seven budget, 518 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: and their city council is going to vote on a 519 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: full budget for Carmel in late October. 520 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Yes, it is budget season. I have some interesting stuff 521 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: with their own budget that after Thursday I might be 522 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: able to share with you at Warehouse Berg. Oh yes, 523 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: it's besch. 524 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: You'll have a four million dollar patch of grass. We do. 525 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: There still a giant, four million dollar empty patch of 526 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: grass that the taxpayers have been paying for for three 527 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: years now. I was told that August was the deadline. 528 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: I was told in the public meeting that August was 529 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: the deadline for the proposed developer to act, And then 530 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: I was told by very reliable sources the developer was like, 531 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: y'all are nuts around here. Get law them out. And 532 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: so now they got to start all over again. So 533 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if the next developer will get another 534 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: three years. But in the meantime, the town is paying 535 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: on a four million dollar bond that nobody's doing anything with. 536 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: And you know, there's no money for basic services like 537 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: without raising taxes, But we got enough money to pay 538 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: four million dollars for an empty patrographs. 539 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: Are you still talking about the aquatics center? Where are 540 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: we at with that? 541 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: They claimed the table. No, no, no, no no, they voted. 542 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: They claimed they didn't approve it. They just approved the 543 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: what they called the master plan. Now, we haven't voted 544 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: anything yet, but we are telling staffed to waste a 545 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: bunch of time and resources. But we're not necessarily going 546 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: to vote on it, but we're telling staffed to waste 547 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of time and resources planning it. So, yes, 548 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: they are in the process of going forward with the 549 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar reck aquatic Amphitheater, rec Center, Aquatic 550 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Center Amphitheater that only less than one hundred people said 551 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: they wanted in a town of thirty thousand people. 552 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: But you mentioned there's a master plan. 553 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: There is a master plan. 554 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: That's good to hear. It's glad there's a master. 555 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Plan, masterfully awful. Yes, there is a master place. 556 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three 557 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 2: w IBC. 558 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So Casey looks at me during the break. 559 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: No oh, No, you looked at me and you said, okay, 560 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: what are we doing? 561 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, and then you're like fat Bear week. 562 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: I listed off a bunch of things. 563 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: I thought you were drunk or something. I guess he's 564 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: never been to fat Bear wee. 565 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: No, I okay. I The things that I listened off 566 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: were that they're saying that it costs five million dollars 567 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 2: now for the average American dream the historic bricks that 568 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: they unearthed at the speedway. You've got NASA announcing ten 569 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: new astronauts, one of them from Indiana. And then I said, 570 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: or fat bear, wee fat bear? 571 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: I bet you know whatever talking about? 572 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: Hooked up from your phone and you said. 573 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Fat Bear Week? What is that? 574 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: I said, you know, the online contest at kip Maine 575 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: National Park in Alaska? Were you? 576 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: Because of course, why wouldn't I know about it? 577 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: It's not the first time they've done this. 578 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's an annual event. How could I not know? 579 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: What is Fat Bear Week? 580 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: Casey, It's the annual Fat Bear Week online contest. It 581 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: is at the National Park in Alaska. It's a single 582 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 2: elimination bracket tournament where you get to vote for the 583 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: brown bear that best exemplifies fattest and survival success. 584 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: Oh boy, So they go snap photos of all these 585 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: bears and then you're like, I pick that one. Yes, 586 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be obvious to see which the fattest bear is, 587 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: which one is the most round. 588 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: Which is the fattest. You can vote daily rob at 589 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 2: fatbearweek dot org. They also have live cams and you 590 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: can watch the bears fishing and bulking up. And they 591 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: also have before and after pictures, kind of like you 592 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: with your hair transformation photos. 593 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: So okay, So I saw this the other day. I 594 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: was watching some old wrestling videos and this had to 595 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: be from the nineteen fifties and this was in an 596 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: actual wrestling ring at an event. There were people there 597 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: like watching. The man was wrestling a bearer. Casey, how 598 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: did he do well? The bear one? Well, yeah, I'm 599 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: assuming this bear was somewhat like a circus bear where 600 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: it was trained. Hey, don't kill the guy, right. But 601 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: my favorite part of this was the referee was so 602 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: afraid to be near the bear that when he when 603 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: the bear pins the guy down like they're doing wrestling 604 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: moves on each other. It's an amazing thing. The referee, 605 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: instead of getting down at counting three, just taps the 606 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: bear on the shoulder three times and then starts waving 607 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: his arms like, hey, buddy, it's over. You're like, he's 608 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: a bear. He didn't understand what you're saying. He's a bear. 609 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: You're out of there. Male bears can exceed twelve hundred pounds. 610 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: You ever you ever seen a bear in person? 611 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: What at the zoo? 612 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 613 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: Sure, but not in a Arreage're. 614 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: So friendly, you think so until you get. 615 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: Until you see their claws and one one claw nail. 616 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: Pretty nice big as your fingers mess you up. I mean, 617 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: we are, like you think because humans sort of control 618 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: the world. I mean we don't sort of. We do 619 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: control the world, I mean, thanks to the good Lord above, 620 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: of course, But then you realize, like when you see 621 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: a bear, you realize you're not in control of anything 622 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: like you just you just we've just had enough separation 623 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: of of us from the animals that we don't got 624 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: to worry about them, you know, for the most part anymore. 625 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: But you realize, if you came face to face with 626 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: that thing in the wild, you done. 627 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: What is it? Uh? What's the what's the saying black 628 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: black bear, lie down, brown bear, get loud or something 629 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: like that. 630 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: You're making that up. 631 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: Now there's a saying you're gonna give. 632 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: Somebody some advice and then they're gonna come face. 633 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: No advice for me. In regards to bears, female bears 634 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: way less than their male counterpart bears. Do you know why? Why? 635 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: Because they use all of their energy raising the cubs. 636 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: Oh so, just like real life. Why is the mother 637 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: always so angry because she does all the work raising 638 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: the child. 639 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: She's just hungry, that's all on it's time to eat bears. 640 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: They gain, of course, most of their weight so they 641 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: can survive hibernation, and then after hibernation they lose between 642 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: fifteen and thirty percent of their body mass. 643 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Uh oh, I saw this yesterday. I got to tell 644 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: you about this. I saw the craziest looking spidery yesterday. Really, 645 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: if they're different colors, you should probably stay away from them, right, yeah, 646 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: Olviy and I were out most our audience knows. My 647 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: dad is my neighbor and our yards are connected. And 648 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: we were playing in my dad's backyard yesterday and he 649 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: has a shed in the back of his property. And 650 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: went over there and she's running around and I look 651 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: and there is this giant, massive, multi colored spider slowly 652 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: just what do they call it, with the web angling 653 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: down I don't know from the barn, and I let 654 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: out a shriek, like probably like a twelve year old girl. Kids, Like, 655 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: what the heck is going on here? I pick her up. 656 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: I ran away and my old man get the spray, 657 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: and that thing died a miserable rotten death, which it 658 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: deserved because it's a miserable rotten thing. Spiders should not 659 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: be multiple colors. I'm not a person like if there's 660 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: a spider in the bathtub that freaks out. That thing 661 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: was bad. It was making me. It was size golf 662 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: ball like no, no, no, it was like golf ball 663 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: big arancela no no, no no. But it had the 664 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: legs and its legs were moving, and it had the 665 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: hump back. It wasn't a daddy long legs or anything. 666 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was out to do damage. Do 667 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: you have a fear of spiders. 668 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: I don't like spiders. 669 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, I'm fine. If you know my 670 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: wife only. 671 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 2: Any bug that crunches, my wife will scream all the time. 672 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: There's one in the bath tybe, I'm like, I'm fine 673 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: with that. You know, it's wish them, get them, throw 674 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: them away, whatever. But when they're multicolored and they're big 675 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: and their legs are moving quickly, even if they're on 676 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the you know, the web, like eh, no, no way, 677 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: you need to go away, like not just go away 678 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: from me. You need to go away from this earth. Goodbye. 679 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: We're gonna go away. How about that? 680 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: Is it time already? 681 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: It is time. It's time for us to go. Thank you, Rob, 682 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 2: thank you Kevin, and thank you for listening today. We'll 683 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: catch you back here tomorrow. This is being Kenderlely Casey 684 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: on ninety three w I d c