1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,759 Speaker 1: Joining us now in the Java House peel of poor 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: guest line Jake. Twenty five is the discount code for 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty five percent off the fabulous, amazingly smooth Columbian Coffee, 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: the Wrangler Energy or the Liquid Science Hydration beverages at 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Java House Java House dot com. Zach Keifer joins us 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: on the program. Zach, let's begin with this. What was 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: your reaction to I guess you know, I will say 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: the press conference of Carli Orsa Gordon, but more so 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: just the explanation on the decision to retain Chris Ballard 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: and Schansdyke. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake, if I could be totally blunt, we'll start here. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: You've got to give her credit for talking, for talking 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: so soon after the season, for explaining to the fans 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: why she made the decision she did. She's still a 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: new owner, and all that is relevant here. But I 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: walked away away from yesterday. If I'm a cult fan, 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: really discouraged. It did not answer the questions that I 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: have that they have. It just did not advance the 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: conversation at all. Look, and these are her decisions. She 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: can make whatever decision she wants. She can keep Chris BA, 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: she can keep Shane stykeing, but I just felt like 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: I never got an answer why, and her rationale add 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: up to me. It felt like Chris Ballard was being 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: evaluated for one season of work, not nine seasons, and 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: really for eight games of that season, not the final nine. 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: And I understand injuries were a part of what happened. 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: You talked about and everybody's talked about it, but she 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: sat up there and said that injuries will never be 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: an excuse. Everything she decided and everything she elaborated on 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: made me feel like the injuries. 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: Were absolutely part of the equation. 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: And the other issue I had was, you know, are 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: these guys tied together? You know, what are the stakes 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six? She didn't answer those, Like I 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: just I just felt confused at the point where it's like, well, 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: if they're not tied together, like you know, if the 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: urgencies higher, which I heard five or six times, like. 38 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Why wasn't it high this season? 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: And I just felt if I'm a cult saying watching 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: that this this franchise is in a sorry state, it 41 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: just really is. Mediocrity has become the norm, It's become tolerated, 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: and seven game stretches that are really good are now celebrated, 43 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: and I just couldn't help but think, you know, and 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: this is not a fair comparison. I understand that, but 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: when Jim Mersey sat up there at that podium, you 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: knew where he stood. He was of thank to a 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: fault and he wouldn't have put up with this injury excuse. 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: And I just don't feel like I just don't feel 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: like I got a reasonable explanation of why these decisions 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 2: were made. 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Zach, let me ask you a question that maybe we 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: don't even know the answer to this, but I'm curious 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: if you have heard this even be speculated. I guess, 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: and it's understandable what I'm about to say. Is it 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: possible that Carli Orsa Gordon couldn't per se say this? 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: But is it possible that the reason that Chris Ballard 57 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: and Shane steike and were retained is because there's safety 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: for her in familiarity, Because right now there are bigger 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: business fish to fry in terms of getting everything aligned 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: in the state taxes and you know all of the 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: things that go into a transfer of power. That simply 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily that she didn't want to make a move. 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: She just can't do that right now because there are 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: other priorities that are taking place, which sounds absurd, I realize, 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: But is there the possibility that's in play. 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: The estate situation is real, But let me be totally 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: clear here that cannot come in the way of any 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: football decisions. 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: And I believe it. 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: With Kevin Bowen that asked her about the financial situation 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: and whether that's factored into the decisions, she said, you know, 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: nothing is get in the way of us making the 73 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: best decisions for this team. I'm going to hold her 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: to that. I'm going to believe her in that front. 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: But the reality is, I mean they this is a 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: comfort this is a comfortable decision. 77 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: This is the easy decision to run it back. 78 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: And it's probably not the best thing for her to 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: sit up there and say, you know, why are we 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: going to fire Chris right now? If we're going to 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: bring in another GM and then Shane's not going to 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: be his guy. 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: It's very clear that she's very high. 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: On Shane Stike and she called him a bright young coach. 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: She believes in his ability to call an offfense. I 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: think he's proven that. Now the rest of the job 87 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: is very important as well, and that's being a head coach. 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: There are certainly questions about that asked for Ballard, and 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: I wrote this this morning with my colleague Jordan rod Rieg, 90 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: who's been in town to talk to a lot of 91 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: executives as well as Carli Ersa Gordon for a profile 92 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: that ran last week. The reality that it's impossible to 93 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: dance around is there is comfort with Chris Ballot. He 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: has been a mentor and a supporter to Carli Erse 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: Gordon throughout this time. It was him and Frank right 96 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: that I encourage her to go down to the field 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 2: and find out what was really going on before she 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: took over for her father there, so you know, he's 99 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: more than an employee to them. Now, my stance would be, 100 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: you need to make this decision with your head, not 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: your heart. That's what her dad would tell her to do. 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: But the reality is, you know, Chris told her and 103 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: her sisters in the last year, do not ever let 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: that our relationship get in the way of doing what's 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: best for this organization, essentially saying, if you need to 106 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: get rid of me, get rid of me. I understand. 107 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: And the reality is she's not ready to do that. 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: I just walked away from yesterday without a fairly good 109 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 2: understanding of why, because they were good for eight games. 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: It just feels like, and I know you were talking 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: about this a minute ago, Jake, it just feels like 112 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: you're going to be having the same conversation twelve months 113 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: from now. 114 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Why the standbase is so pissed off? 115 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: Zach. Here's the thing, and I'm not Zach Keeper is 116 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: our guest by the way, from the Athletic. He has 117 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: a column up right now about all of this up 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: at the Athletic and of course, longtime writer for the 119 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Colts now with the NFL in totality, he is not 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: on helium, but he is on the Java house Peel 121 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: and poor guest line, Zach, doesn't it feel like there is? 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: And when I say we're going to be right back 123 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: in this situation a year from now, that is not 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: me being negative, Nancy or you know, pessimistic, Pete. I'm 125 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: being realistic Rick. Here the body of work would indicate 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: that that's exactly. There's nothing to tell me otherwise, right. 127 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: How much stock do you put into the first. 128 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: Aid games of the season. 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, because. 130 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: Carly Ertha Gordon put a lot of stock in the 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: first eight games in the season. 132 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: I mean she went with an eight week sample size 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: as opposed to an eight year one. 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: Right, it's certainly felt like that yesterday. 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: The other side of it would be this, and that 136 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: is the quarterbacking situation, Zach. Quarterbacks the most important position 137 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: in sports. And I know that Daniel Jones did play well, 138 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: but then he had the injury we have, so there's 139 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: two things in play here. I just feel like we 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: are pinning things on hoping for two different things to 141 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: come through. The first being that Daniel Jones comes back 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: at one hundred percent and the second is that he 143 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: comes back at a hundred percent. And as a cult, 144 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: he's a free agent now I think, I mean, I 145 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: don't think people are knocking down his door, but do 146 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: from the people you have talked to, is there enough 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: evidence that with this injury he can come back and 148 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent of what he was? 149 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: The quarterback conversation is so interesting when I talk to 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: people around in the league. So let's be completely objective here. 151 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: Chris Ballad and the Colts deserve credit for spinning Daniel 152 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Jones in the spring. I know it's hard because nobody 153 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: wanted Daniel Jones, that's just not true. Like good quarterbacks, 154 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: and he's a good quarterback, I'm a great one. Good 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: quarterbacks are hard to get. And they got him over 156 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: the line. And by that, I mean you know they 157 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: got the deal done. They had missed on a couple 158 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: free in years past, simply because at the eleventh hour 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: a number team offered a little bit more money. Ballard 160 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: learned his lesson and he got the quarterback in. This 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: is my opinion, but I don't think I'm wrong. They 162 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: knew he was going to be the guy the whole time. 163 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: They knew he was going to be the guy the 164 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 2: whole time. Shane, I don't believe wants to have Anthony 165 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: Richardson run his system anymore. So the reality is they 166 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: deserve credit for bringing Daniel Jones in. He played great. 167 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: Even if he played well and they were five and three, 168 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: it would have been a good signing. What really screwed 169 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: this team over in me Richardson's freak injury. I mean, 170 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: that is absurd that this kid gets hurt stretching in 171 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 2: the locker room before a game. 172 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: I've never even heard of that. 173 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: And that's where the season really spirals, because if Jones 174 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: gets hurt, you know, in Week eleven or whatever it 175 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: was against the Jaguars. Then you go to the kid 176 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: and you say, this is your chance, this is your moment. 177 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: Like you lost the starting job in August. Now prove 178 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: that you were worth this pick. Prove that you were 179 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: worth the investment. That's what I wanted to see, That's 180 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: what Chris Baaloman wanted to see. But we never got 181 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: that shot because of Richardson's injury, which led to you know, 182 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: the Philip Rivers and all that. So the fault with Ballard, 183 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: in my opinion, is as soon as Richardson gets hurt, 184 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: you don't have a viable backup other than Riley Leonard. 185 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: Who gets hurt as well. 186 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: So it really was a perfect storm to hurt them 187 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. But to spin it forward, I 188 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: don't think Jones is just going to pick up where 189 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: he left off next season. Every piece of evidence we've 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: ever seen with quarterbacks coming off this injury tells us 191 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: he's not. So that's the reality. I don't think Richardson 192 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: is back next year. I don't think that's a prize totally. Sure, 193 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: Ryler Leonard is back. He played pretty well, but The 194 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: reality is, if you think you're just gonna roll out 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: of bed September fifth next year for the opener or 196 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: whenever it is, and pick up where you left off, 197 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: where Jonathan Taylor was an MVP and this team was rolling, 198 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: it just doesn't work like that. And you mentioned this 199 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: a minute ago. Jacksonville's coming, like Jacksonville's really good, and 200 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: they got a really young coach. Houston has the best 201 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: defense in football, and it made it playoffs three years 202 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: in a row with Niko Ryans. The culture for nothing 203 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: more than an afterthought in the AFC South, that's where 204 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: they're at. This is a team that won the AFC 205 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: South nine of the first thirteen years. 206 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: The division existed. Remember those days, I do. 207 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: They haven't won it in eleven years, and there's no 208 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: guarantee their force in the division next. 209 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Year, Zach, like I mentioned man in totality, the unfortunate thing, 210 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: and I hate having to say it, but the reality is, 211 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: statistically speaking, this is a franchise that has been in 212 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: a tunnel except for when Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck 213 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: respectively had a flashlight in a lantern, and other than that, 214 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: for the most part, you found an occasional candle and 215 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: that was about it, but we shall see where it 216 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: goes from here. The Athletic and Zach Kiefer will have 217 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: it all covered of course, as well as the rest 218 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: of the NFL throughout the playoffs. Zach appreciated as always man, 219 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: thanks for having me Jacobs, Zach Keifer joining us on 220 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: the Java Peel and poor guest line. And as I 221 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: mentioned off the top of the show, and I'll mention 222 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: it again just as an explanation, yesterday at two twenty ish, 223 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: we were under the assumption that the press conference for 224 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: the CEO and owner of the Colts would take place 225 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: at two thirty. So we came back and I'm looking, 226 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm going to listen what I'm about 227 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: to say. I love I love this. I'm not saying 228 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: this as a woe is Me thing at all. I 229 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and it is truthfully a compliment or kind 230 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: of almost an adrenaline rush to be the one that 231 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: has the responsibility of what I'm about to say. But 232 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I know that we're waiting on this press conference to 233 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: take place, and so I know that I've got to 234 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: fill a little bit of time until tap dance. As 235 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: we call it the business till the press conference starts 236 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it and I'm I'm like, man, 237 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what is going on? Like there's nod We're 238 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: getting no indication on when this is actually going to happen. 239 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: So leading up to it, knowing that I'm going to 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: throw to it at any minute, I'm like, Okay, let 241 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: me just introduce what it is that we're about to 242 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: hear from. And so, in that capacity, even though I 243 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: had said yesterday at the beginning of the show, I said, 244 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I will spell this out from both sides, what I 245 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: think the Colts should do, and then in addition to that, 246 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: I will tell you what I think the Colt's line 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: of thinking is. Because we now know that Chris Ballard 248 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and Shaanstikeen are coming back, that's all we knew was 249 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: that they're coming back. We didn't know if they'd been 250 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: like signed to a longer term. We didn't know if 251 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: they were told you're on the control chair. We didn't know, 252 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: if you know, if they were being told during the 253 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: last year in contract. And then that's we had no idea. 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: We had an assumption that it was all was, you know, kumbaya. 255 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: But we didn't know, so I came on and just said, 256 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: what we know is that Chris Ballard and Shanstiken will 257 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: return as the general manager and coach of the Indianapolis Colts, respectively. 258 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: And then I said, I think I've shared my thought 259 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: on what they should have done, which is I thought 260 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: they needed to change the general manager. Follow that up 261 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: with but this would be my assumed reason that will 262 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: be explained perhaps on why they decided to go in 263 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: this direction. And one of the things that I pointed 264 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: out was the possibility that they didn't have a choice 265 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: about making a change at this time because there are 266 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: business or operational things that need to be executed that 267 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: took away from the time necessary to get into the 268 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: nuances of the on field football aspect of it. And 269 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: that would be unfortunate, and that would be to an 270 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: extent not something I mean, inexcusable is the wrong word. 271 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: Maybe understandable, but frustrating. And I was simply laying out 272 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: that possible hypothesis, still looking at the clock, like are 273 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: we doing this press conference or not having no idea 274 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: where we're going, And several people thought that I was 275 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: not hard enough on the Colts at that time. Now 276 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: that we heard the press conference, and now that we 277 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: finally went to it, I think everybody knows where I 278 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: stand on it. This from my text message Jake. My 279 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: opinion about Carl ersay, plain and simple. She knows how 280 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: an NFL organization works, but she does not know how 281 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: winning football decisions work. She's like that new fantasy football 282 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: team owner and a league full of grizzled veterans. That 283 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: from David on the east side, Jake, I have to 284 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: believe the decision to retain Chris Ballard was due to 285 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: looking at eight games of an easy schedule instead of 286 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: eight years of mediocrity. The Colts only won two games 287 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: all year against teams with winning records this year, and 288 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: of those two wins came as a gift from the 289 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: Broncos on a penalty after the Colts had lost due 290 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: to Shane's decision to run out the clock and try 291 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: a sixty yard field goal. The Colts remain a mediocre 292 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: team with a mediocre general manager. Keep in mind of 293 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: the six games they won and that eight game stretch 294 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: of those games, how many of them even have their 295 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: head coach or their general manager back or both? Right, 296 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: they got fat off bad teams. Yes, Eddie, we have 297 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: a new letter. What's that? We have a new letter 298 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: from Colts ownership to its fans. Oh really yes, and 299 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: it's two screenshots worthy. Okay, do you happen to have, 300 00:15:53,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: by chance the breaking news sounder? This just in from 301 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. I will read it right before us. 302 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Dear Colts fans like you, you're, without a doubt frustrated with 303 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: the final results. 304 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: Me. 305 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Sorry, I already screwed up the reading of this. Let 306 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: me go to the higher image, Eddie. This from the 307 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, a letter from ownership. Dear Colts fans like you, 308 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: we are, without a doubt frustrated with the final results 309 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: of the season. Until we win, consistently claimed the division 310 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: and reached the playoffs, we're not meeting the high standard 311 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: we all expect of our team. At the same time, 312 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: there were many moments in twenty twenty five that led 313 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: us to believe we can achieve sustained success. That's why 314 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: we're confident about the blueprint Chris Ballard and Shane Stike 315 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: and created last year, and why we're confident they can 316 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: build on the progress we saw early on this past season. 317 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: Last offseason, our dad challenged our entire organization to fix 318 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the issues preventing us from reaching the player. Chris and 319 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: his team responded by taking a different approach to building 320 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: the roster. We were aggressive in free agency. We acquired 321 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback who helped lead our offense to historic start. 322 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: We found talent in the draft, and we traded our premiere. 323 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: We traded for a premiere cornerback. That is page one 324 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: of two. It goes on to say the philosophy paid 325 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: immediate dividends, but our fast start to the season makes 326 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: missing the playoffs sting even more. It also gave us 327 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: a look at what's possible when we have the right 328 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: components in place. Replicating that success and extending it throughout 329 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: the season and into the playoffs will be our goal. 330 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: We know many fans want changed now, and we hear 331 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: respect and understand the frustration, But make no mistake, the 332 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: urgency to succeed and win has never been higher, and 333 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: we believe we can compete for the division and a 334 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: playoff berth next season and into the future. In the meantime, 335 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: thank you for supporting the Horseshoe through what has been 336 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: a challenging year on and off. The field. We wish 337 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: you all a wonderful and prosperous twenty twenty six. Sincerely, Carliers, Gordon, 338 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Casey Foyt, and Kaylin Jackson end quote. Now I get it, 339 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think that people are going to feel 340 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: confident in that, because that is to say that you 341 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: are assessing the totality of the Chris Ballard era based 342 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: on changes from the first ten games, and you appear 343 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: to be omitting that of the rest of the time 344 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: seventy seventy eight and one, and we are all just 345 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: Gerbils spinning on the same treadmill. That's what it feels like. 346 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: We're just on that wheel. And I am confident in 347 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: saying I hope I'm wrong. I absolutely hope I'm wrong, 348 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: But I'm confident in saying that we are going to 349 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: be having this same conversation next year, because, as I 350 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: said yesterday, to most people, by this time, and maybe 351 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: we've got like two more days left of saying it. 352 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: But when you see people right now this week for 353 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: the first time, you say happy New Year, but you 354 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: don't on West fifty sixth, because it ain't a happy 355 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: new year. There is no new year, because it's the 356 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: same as last and it's the same as the year 357 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: before that, and the same as the year before that, 358 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: and the same as the year before that. And you 359 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to measure and judge and critique over 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: a one hundred and forty nine game stretch, and you 361 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: opted for ten. And you can say to me till 362 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: the cows come home that the injuries were the culprit. 363 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: But the biggest injury to the Colts was at the 364 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: quarterback position. And they have mentioned the quarterback in that statement. 365 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: They mentioned Sauce Gardner indirectly, but outside of that, the 366 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: one change that's made in that statement was quarterback. We 367 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: got a quarterback that did great things, a quarterback now 368 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: who's coming off of a ruptured achilles that isn't signed 369 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: for next year. You have two different variables in play 370 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: that you're hoping fall into place so that you can 371 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: sustain and pick up where you left off. And where 372 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: you left off was beating a bunch of really bad teams. 373 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: And where you left off was going into a situation 374 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: where yes, you were eight and two, but you hadn't 375 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: played the media your schedule yet, you hadn't played a 376 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: team that blitz the hell out of you and completely 377 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: confused your quarterback at that point, and all of a sudden, 378 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: the turnovers started to creep themselves back up. You hadn't 379 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: done any of those things just yet. And you can 380 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: sit here and say that it came down to the 381 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: fact that we no longer had that quarterback. But it's 382 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: your general manager, not me, not Eddie Garrison, not Jamee 383 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: b not Kevin Bowen, not James Boyden, not Jeff Rickard, 384 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: nobody else in this town. It's the general manager who 385 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: has said it comes down to being about more than 386 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: one person. If it's about more than one person, and 387 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: he said that when Anderluck was on the roster, don't 388 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: think our success is directly linked to Ander Luck, because 389 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: it's about more than that on the roster. And he 390 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: said last year when everybody was asking questions about Anthony Richardson, guys, 391 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: you know we got other guys on this roster, and 392 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: then the nervous laughter, right and the blink of the eyes. 393 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: He said that, So you can't turn around and tell 394 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: me that your utter failure, disappointment and leaving everybody thirsting 395 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: for more is based on the fact that one player 396 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: went down. It's a hogwash excuse. It's a BS excuse. 397 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: And people in this town have heard way too much, 398 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: way too long of the same story over and over 399 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: and over. And the only thing that's different from one 400 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: year to the next is the excuse. What's your excuse 401 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: going to be next year? That's how people feel. What 402 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: Scott Agus joins us now, Java House Peel and poor 403 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: guest line Scott. I'll begin with this. Tony Bradley, yesterday 404 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: we found out waved by the Pacers. Did that surprise you? 405 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 4: It did not, Jake, because the upcoming deadline, he'd have 406 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 4: to be waved by tomorrow or else his contract is 407 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 4: guaranteed for the rest of the season. Before this move, Jake, 408 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: they had no available roster spots, not a ton of 409 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: cash to work with. This gives them greater flexibility should 410 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 4: the front office choose to do something here at the 411 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 4: trade deadline over the next month. 412 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: Okay, when you talk about that move itself, and I 413 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: know we're talking about a guy in Tony Bradley that 414 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: was never although he did get minutes for them in 415 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think they liked his rebounding. He was 416 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: not a mainline player. I get that. But when you 417 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: say that it didn't surprise you because the deadline was 418 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: coming up anyway. This is because they are overware. In 419 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: other words, what was the reason why they had to 420 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: make room? 421 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: They do not necessarily, but it gives you remember last 422 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 4: year they decided to make some trades and ultimately they 423 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: had to guarantee I think James. They had already guaranteed 424 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 4: James Wiseman's contract then they had to move on from that. Basically, 425 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: it's a situation here where one you're not sure if 426 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 4: Tony Bradley's for sure a part of your rotation anyway 427 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 4: right now, He's kind of had to be because of 428 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 4: injuries and not having a stable position there at center spot. 429 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 4: But more to the point here is it allows you 430 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 4: to figure out what you want to do at the 431 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: trade deadline without locking in his contract. You can still 432 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: bring him back later in the year. You could bring 433 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 4: him back as soon as he clears waivers. So I 434 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: think this is an opportune move for a guy that 435 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: is down your depth chart, who's not completely healthy with 436 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: a fracture to the tip of his right thumb, and 437 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 4: right now Pacers have to do everything to position themselves 438 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: to potentially make moves in my opinion. 439 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this the City situation with 440 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: Ben Mathren thumb injury, and I'm not sure how long 441 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: he's going to be out, But does this impact the 442 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: trade value of Ben Mathen because I am convinced, Scott convinced. 443 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I'm convinced 444 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the Pacers are going to try to move him. Tell 445 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. 446 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: No, I don't think you're necessarily wrong here, because they 447 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: have to make a decision. It would be opportunistic for 448 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 4: them to make a decision now if they have clarity 449 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: on what they want to do, meaning are they going 450 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: to be willing to pay him this summer? Now he 451 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: is a restricted free agent, which does allow the Pacers 452 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 4: to match any other offer that is out there. To 453 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: keep that in mind. Yet at the same time, you 454 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 4: do the Pacers view him part of the future and 455 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: does he fit in well? And is he happy? Does 456 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: he want to continue here? They have to factor all 457 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: those decisions in because what you don't want to do 458 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: is lose him a lottery pick that you don't get 459 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 4: many shots at for or nothing. And if you choose 460 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 4: not to match a deal this summer, and you don't 461 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: work with a partner that's willing to do a sign 462 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 4: and trade like Milwaukee and the Pacers did for Malcolm 463 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 4: Brogden years ago, then you risk putting yourself in that 464 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: spot much like Miles Turner this summer. Now he was 465 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: an unrestricted free agent, but the Pacers got nothing for 466 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 4: him in free agency. 467 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Do you believe the Pacers see I'm gonna give you 468 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: a multiple choice here, Scott A. B and C. Scott Agnes, 469 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: my guest Fieldhouse files where you read his work, Joba 470 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: House Peel and Board guest line where he is so 471 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: the replacement for Miles Turner, and you look at what 472 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: an important piece he was to the Pacers offense during 473 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals and their playoff run the finals. Perhaps 474 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: you could say that it was not there and that's 475 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: what hurt them, But you get my point. Do you 476 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: believe that the Pacers see Miles Turner's replacement as a 477 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: currently on the roster, B someone they will acquire with 478 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: the high pick that they're going to have or C. 479 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: So when they acquire based on trade with for Ben Mathern, 480 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: I think it would. 481 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: Oh with Ben mad I thought you're going to say 482 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 4: in the draft. So option A is on the roster. 483 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 4: B is they use the draft pick to draft the center. 484 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 4: C is they trade Matherin straight up for a center 485 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: A CA CATCHA. I would say, seize the one that 486 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: stands out to me. And obviously it would make sense 487 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 4: because you would have a lot of value with Matherin 488 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 4: for sure, But I think a most likely area where 489 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 4: they would upgrade that position for a ready made team 490 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: going into next year, Right, Jake, That's what we have 491 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: to assume. Coming off last year, you get hall of 492 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: Burton back after this achilles injury that he's now twenty 493 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: six removed from. To me, you need an upgrade that's 494 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 4: ready to go now versus you know, if you're drafting 495 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: on you might take three or four years. So I'm 496 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: absolutely doing it via trade. 497 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I would say, because I have thought this, and I 498 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: will until the draft, I mean until we know I'm 499 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: convinced of this. Scott, I think the game plan. Now, 500 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, plans and execution of plans are two different things. 501 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Takes two to tango, right. But I'm under the assumption 502 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: that the Pacers are looking at it saying we are 503 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: going to flip Benedict Matherin at the trade deadline for 504 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: a big, for an athletic shot blocking, running big, and 505 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: then in the draft we will use our selection, presumably 506 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: a top five pick for a wing that comes off 507 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: the bench for us a lah the role last year 508 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: of Benedict Mathern. And and then you bring back topping 509 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: Nieman Nemhard Halliburton, and you feel like you are as 510 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: close to you can as you can be to replicating 511 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: running back what got you to the finals. 512 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: You agree, I think that seems reasonable. Yeah, for sure. 513 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 4: The challenges obviously with the center spot and with Matherin, 514 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: you have to if you're trying to do that all 515 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: in one, you have to ideally make sure you know 516 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 4: that big and then see if that team would covet 517 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: and have the money to make it work. With Matherin 518 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 4: in particular, which certainly complicates things. Although right now Matherin 519 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 4: coming off his rookie deal much more affordable, but makes 520 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: you wonder the player you're probably going to acquire is 521 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: getting paid much more than that right now, So that 522 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: complicates a little bit. If you focus on the Matheren aspect. 523 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: Now, do you think Matheren has trade value? 524 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 4: I do absolutely, win healthy he's a guy that can 525 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 4: get you twenty points per game. He's a guy that 526 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: gets to the free throw line. He's showed improvement, in 527 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: my opinion, defensively this season, where I think the first 528 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 4: year he just didn't even take an interest in it 529 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: because probably he's never had to being the best guy 530 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: on his team. Now it seems like he's doing what 531 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: the coaching staff has been instructed to him defensively and 532 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: even offensively in talking about maybe attacking and setting up 533 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: a teammate for the better shot, those sorts of things. 534 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 4: I'd be what I'm most interested in, Jake gear is 535 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 4: what it's going to cost the team, because I would 536 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: I would suggest it's probably much more affordable and probably 537 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: under thirty million would be my guess going into this 538 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: free agency. But you know, if you're the player, you're 539 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: trying to max out all you can get you you're 540 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: wanting a max type level deal ideally going into your 541 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 4: first shot at free agency here. And so that's also 542 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: then where the other side where Matherinen is represented to 543 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: have to have understanding of what's the pacers at and 544 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 4: can they even afford you? Are they willing to go 545 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 4: into the tax too? Then afford you. So there's a 546 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 4: lot of elements in play here beyond just you know, 547 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: is he healthy? What are are you willing to continue 548 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 4: on with him? Do you want to? Can you make 549 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 4: it work with your current financial situation? We talked about 550 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: the luxury tax with Miles. That will come into play 551 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: with Matherin Scott. 552 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: You like a Pinia Colada? You ever drink a Pina colada? 553 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: I have, yes, I like a Penia colada? Right, I 554 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: mean some people like you order a Penia colada, they 555 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: look at you funny. But if you're you know, you're 556 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: in Florida, you're on the bea, which you know that 557 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: the elementary pina colada is great? Right's refreshing, tastes good. 558 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: I love that coconut taste. It feels to me like 559 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: ben mathen Is rum. If you're making a pina colada, 560 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: it's an incredibly important ingredient. And everybody likes rum. Who 561 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: doesn't like rum? Rum's great? But the pacers offense is 562 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: an old fashion, and an old fashion doesn't require rum. 563 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: But if the old fashion is out and you got 564 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: to go to the Pinia kalada, fine, you're glad you 565 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: have the rum around. But it's not. In other words, 566 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: his style of play to me and where he benefits 567 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: you is an ingredient in a cocktail that is different 568 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: than the priority cocktail of the pacers. Is that overstating it? 569 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: No, I think that's that's really good. I was going 570 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: in a different direction in that I only really crave 571 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: a pinacolada when you're on the beach down in Florida, 572 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: and so if you're in the right setting, with the 573 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: right situation, you crave that. I think both work can 574 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: just find there. Yeah, I think that's a situation and 575 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 4: a consideration I think this team has had to have 576 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: since they've drafted him, and because how much do you 577 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: force a player to fit within your flow, yet at 578 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 4: the same time you want to maximize their playing style 579 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 4: and maximize their game and let them be them now. 580 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: I think part of that has to be earned, certainly, 581 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 4: and Matheren hadn't made it an All Star appearance. He's 582 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: done a Rising Stars, but that's more of a status 583 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 4: that you reach when you're in all NBA All Star 584 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: type talent. He's not there, certainly, not yet. And so 585 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: these are all discussions that that front office has to 586 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: be having here, led by I think Rick Carlisle, who's 587 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 4: the one deciding win and how much to play him, 588 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 4: And this season was pivotal here, or is pivotal because 589 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: he has that starting role, and that's been one of 590 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 4: the big conversations. Can he do it in the starting lineup? 591 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: Does he have to come off the bench? Can he 592 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 4: replicate the same thing like he's done off the bench, 593 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 4: And so at least they're getting more answers there. But 594 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 4: this turf to oh, let's be honest here, this is 595 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 4: going to bother him. I believe the rest of the season. 596 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 4: It's something you didn't need to take months off. We 597 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: saw Miles Turner deal with something similar Jake, and it 598 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: was a time when the Pacers were rebuilding, so he 599 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 4: took he didn't play the final like month and a 600 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 4: half of the season whatever that was three years ago. 601 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: And then this right thumb thing. This is something he's 602 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 4: been dealing with for about a month at least to 603 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: my knowledge, and so that's in large part while why 604 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 4: his numbers are down, and so I do appreciate in 605 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 4: this down year that they are giving him now time 606 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 4: to get healthy, because that's got to be the that's 607 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 4: got to be the number one priority here in a 608 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: retooling year. 609 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: Scott, did you go to the Rose Bowl? I did, yes, 610 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: thoughts impressions. I know the weather wasn't great, but it 611 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 1: cleared up at least by the time. You know, you've 612 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: been to Pasadena before. I'm sure. But I saw seventy 613 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: two thousand were there, which would mean eighty percent Indiana fans. 614 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: As that seem like a high number. Does that seem accurate? 615 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: I thought I saw them announced ninety thousand. I could 616 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 4: o No, No, seventy two thousand from Indiana. Oh yeah, that's 617 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 4: probably right. I would I've said all along about seventy 618 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: five percent rough, Okay, so that's right there. It was 619 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 4: hard to tell, except what really helped, I will say 620 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: is in the fourth quarter when those Alabama fans started leaving. 621 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 4: And then you know, I had a friend that's worked 622 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 4: those games for many years now, and she was like, 623 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: y know, our producers were saying, we've never seen this 624 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 4: many fans stay for the postgame ceremony. Nobody none of 625 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 4: the IU fans left at all. 626 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, Indiana fans didn't know that you're supposed to leave 627 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: before the post game because they've never been involved in 628 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: that before. Right, there's no dress rehearsal, so then all 629 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: I ask stick around. Okay, let me ask you this 630 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Number One, Alabama fans cool, not cool. 631 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: Not around. I had no interaction with Alabama fans, so 632 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 4: I have no opinion. Yeah, I will say walking around 633 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 4: downtown LA beforehand and then Pasadena both on the day 634 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: after as well, because made a point to get back 635 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 4: up there. I learned all this here in the last week. 636 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: But they have this thing called Floatfest, and all the 637 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 4: floats are stationary, but they're on display, so if you 638 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 4: didn't see them on the therefore the parade, you can 639 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 4: go and see them the next day. There was I 640 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: had no interaction with Alabama fans. That's how dominant it 641 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 4: was as we all predicted going into this weekend for 642 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 4: IU fans. 643 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: Okay. Secondly, this was the first or repeated or return 644 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: trip to the Rose Bowl for you. And I don't 645 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: mean the bowl game. 646 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: I mean the stadium, first time to Pasadena, first time 647 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: to the Rose Bowl. 648 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: Okay, my experience at the Rose Bowl, and I talked 649 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: about this on the radio, so I want you to 650 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: basically tell me if I'm off my rocker and gave 651 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: people bad advice. I said, it's a fabulous venue. It's historic, 652 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it's iconic, all of that, it's terribly uncomfortable. 653 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: Comfortable in terms of what seats like. 654 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: The seats are made for everybody to be five foot 655 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: nine and one hundred and five pounds. 656 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a little of that, although I will say 657 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: if you're not in the end zone, you have chair 658 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 4: back seats, which I didn't realize here till leading into it. 659 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of like Notre Dame where 660 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 4: it was just, you know, flat and you better take 661 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 4: a cushion. Yeah, it has that old school feel with 662 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 4: smaller dimensions to me, and this is known going into 663 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 4: it is the biggest issue is getting in, but especially 664 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 4: getting out. Jacob. We interacted with this old couple I 665 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 4: mean must have been eighty years old and they this 666 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 4: was after a day after but they were in line 667 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 4: along with all of us for the shuttle where they 668 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 4: heard it's going to be at least an hour till 669 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 4: you get even to the front of the line to 670 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: get on the bus, or you can go right here. 671 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 4: It's a mile and a half walk. They did the walk, 672 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 4: they got lost. There's no one around it's dark. Fortunately 673 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,479 Speaker 4: some local couple picked them up and dropped them off 674 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 4: at a local station. But the only issue, only complaint 675 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 4: I have, and it was known, is it is terrible 676 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: getting in and out and so it took about two 677 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 4: hours to get back up. 678 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's in a beautiful neighborhood, which is the 679 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: one saving grace there right, So it's not like it's 680 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: in a dangerous part of town, but it is the 681 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: One thing about California to me that's so weird is 682 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: how dark it gets. Like I know, they just don't 683 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: have this stat lights whatever else. Then you know there 684 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: are all saving energies out there, granolas, but I mean 685 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: it gets when it gets dark, man, it is dark 686 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: all right. Pacers caps tonight, Gambridge field House, field House 687 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: files where Scott Agnes will have all of the coverage. 688 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Scott, Happy New. 689 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 4: Year, Happy New Year, Jake. Thanks again Scott Agnes joining 690 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 4: us on the program.