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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan,

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Speaker 1: They Seized the Fan Morning Show with KB JB and Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Chris will continue as our general manager and Shane will

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Speaker 2: continue as our head coach for this next season. We

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Speaker 2: have been very clear with Chris and Shane that giving

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Speaker 2: them another opportunity means that the sense of urgency for

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Speaker 2: them to deliver and perform.

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Speaker 3: Has never been higher. We believe that they can replicate

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Speaker 3: what we started off doing, and the sense of urgency

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Speaker 3: to do that has never been higher, and we believe

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Speaker 3: they can do it next season. I'm pissed, and I

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Speaker 3: totally get that they're pissed. I want to validate them,

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Speaker 3: and we hear them. It was that's not the way

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Speaker 3: we've ever want to end a season. I think as

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Speaker 3: we evaluate it, we're going right back to work to

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Speaker 3: make sure that we find a way to finish and

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Speaker 3: win games next year and ultimately again us in the postseason,

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Speaker 3: we solved a lot of the issues our roster, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's what I think is really encouraging about

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Speaker 3: next season. It is that we are in a position

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Speaker 3: we need to learn how to face adversity better. But

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Speaker 3: we're in a great position to succeed. I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: give them what they deserve next season and to prove

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Speaker 3: that we can deliver on our promise.

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Speaker 4: So, like they say, every dog has his day, and

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Speaker 4: like they say, God works in a mysterious way.

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Speaker 1: So I, frank remember in the days of my youth

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Speaker 1: as I prefer to meet my moment.

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Speaker 5: Of true true.

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Speaker 6: Good morning everyone, It is a Tuesday and they're running

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Speaker 6: it back over. It was fifty sixth Street. We knew

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Speaker 6: that was going to happen. We heard from Carly ERSA

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Speaker 6: Gordon yesterday explaining the whys, the what form. And here's

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Speaker 6: what I do know. I said this yesterday in the

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Speaker 6: middle of the day. James Boyd, you were there, Kevin

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Speaker 6: Bowen was there. Good morning guys. What I've learned in

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Speaker 6: the last forty eight hours is Shane Steichen is going

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Speaker 6: to battle like crazy, and carly or say Gordon is pissed.

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Speaker 5: Those are the two things I know. That's all I know, James.

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Speaker 6: Anything else new or different or unbelievable for you, I'm

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Speaker 6: just curious.

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Speaker 5: No once again, Mark, Mark, come on, help me.

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Speaker 4: Ain't no changing nothing, Brother, I just I am, and

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Speaker 4: I am I'm the talent here. Okay, you're supposed to

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Speaker 4: be the guy we never hear hearing you say morning.

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Speaker 6: Take two weeks off and everything just falls apart.

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Speaker 7: I cannot see him. It's crazy. Well, it's very disappointing.

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Speaker 7: He's a handsome man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know I wouldn't say that this

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Speaker 4: this morning got the crushed out. Gotta start with that,

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Speaker 4: But I will say along lines started this show right there.

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Speaker 4: A bit of a redundant effect to that press conference,

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Speaker 4: given just the state of the team and how mediocre

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Speaker 4: they've been. Kevin, I did not feel like that was

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Speaker 4: necessarily a moment where you're gonna win or lose a

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Speaker 4: news conference. I'm not in that thought, but I don't

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Speaker 4: feel I don't know how many fans listen to that

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, first off, you can't win anything when

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Speaker 8: you're running it back with the resume that the general

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Speaker 8: manager has. It's also fair to start there, and Jeff,

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Speaker 8: I kind of go back to our final segment of

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Speaker 8: the show yesterday when we debated what could Carly Orsay

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Speaker 8: Gordon say to make fans feel better, calm, the reassured,

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Speaker 8: however you want to define that sort of feeling. And again,

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Speaker 8: when you're trying to present the debate class poster board

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Speaker 8: that looks like Chris Ballard's resume, oh boy, good luck,

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Speaker 8: and that's what she is trying to do. So I didn't,

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Speaker 8: you know. And I feel the same way when Chris

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Speaker 8: Ballard meets the media later this week, like there's just

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Speaker 8: only so much you know, these people can say, considering

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Speaker 8: the actions that they have to defend here. So I

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Speaker 8: don't know if there was a smoking gun, per se James,

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Speaker 8: and like, aha, you know, I walked away from the

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Speaker 8: twenty five minute press conference, twenty minute press conference and thought,

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Speaker 8: oh wow, I didn't think of that, you know, per Se.

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Speaker 8: But basically, the gist of it is one year greater

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Speaker 4: I was gonna argue that too. Yeah, So basically it's

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Speaker 8: So they're running it back because of the first two

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Speaker 8: know she didn't, you know, hit the words that are

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Speaker 8: the urgency should have been high entering last season.

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Speaker 6: So let me ask you guys this, and I'll let

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Speaker 6: you go first, Kevin, and then you answer to James

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Speaker 6: when you hear the urgency has never been higher, and

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Speaker 6: they know that the urgency has never been higher. Is

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Speaker 6: she in fact saying without saying it, that Chris Ballard

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Speaker 6: and Shane Stikeen are on the clock?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? I think she is. You know, James asp tifically

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Speaker 8: about the contract extension or you would there be one

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Speaker 4: Explain that real quick? Yeah, yeah, I got some response

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Speaker 4: there are like why would you ask us a dumb question?

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Speaker 8: I understand it was the moment sound asking. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: Why am I asking you about this guy getting a

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Speaker 4: nine years. But the reason why I was asking that

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Speaker 4: And I believe this will be the first year that

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Speaker 4: So getting that kind of out in the open with

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Speaker 4: at least right now he is in a hotter seat

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Speaker 4: given that he's had nine lives now has a tenth life,

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Speaker 4: but that was some of the context there of why

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Speaker 4: deserving of a contract extension. However, if you're saying you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Jeff, I would argue the urgency of I guess,

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Speaker 8: down by one, you know, right now, Again, it's eleven

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Speaker 8: five without a playoff appearance. So last year those numbers

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Speaker 8: without a playff appearance. I would argue the urgency should

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Speaker 8: have been pretty damn high last year.

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Speaker 6: I liked the zero one two counting method too. You

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Zero AFC South titles, one playoff win, two playoff appearances,

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Speaker 8: And one question I do have exiting yesterday, and again

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Speaker 8: maybe it's more by Ballard related question for later in

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Speaker 8: just urgency being stressed? You know last year there was

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Speaker 8: the start of ownership being happy. And certainly the first

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Speaker 8: executed the Sauce Gardner trade, this was always going to

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Speaker 8: be a twenty twenty six thing for Chris Ballard. I

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Speaker 8: think you could have made this call on Halloween frankly like,

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Speaker 8: no matter what happens, I mean, the final two months

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Speaker 8: question now moving forward is okay, what will? Is there

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Speaker 8: anything more that needs to change now in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 8: I don't think we sit here and expect overwhelming staff changes.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if we expect overwhelming roster changes. You know,

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Speaker 8: maybe there's a couple on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 8: You know, maybe he parts ways with a veteran or two.

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Speaker 8: But when you don't have a first round pick, seemingly

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Speaker 8: to Alec Pearson Daniel Jones in some former fashion. I

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Speaker 8: don't know what necessarily the plan will be different. I

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Speaker 8: just know that she said the urgency will be higher,

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Speaker 8: you know, probably a dozen times yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. The one thing I do know is Shane Steiken

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Speaker 5: has a huge hole. Two of them, a couple actually in.

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Speaker 6: His resume and maybe the biggest one you talk about quarterback,

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Speaker 6: but defensive end. At some point this year, does he

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Speaker 6: go the way the one thing I really liked that

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Speaker 6: Is make that trade for with a first round or I

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Speaker 6: think it was the fourteenth overall pick for DeForest Buckner.

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Speaker 6: That was a guy that's already shown that he's successful

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Speaker 5: Is a force? Is a wrecking ball? Does Chris Ballard

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Speaker 5: give up.

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Speaker 6: On trying to identify those guys in the draft and

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Speaker 6: just go find a guy that might be a free

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Speaker 8: Don't have your first round pick.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying as a free agent you try.

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Speaker 8: Well, again, where is that money? And I think a

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Speaker 8: big chunk of that has to go to Daniel Jones

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Speaker 8: and Alec Pierce And well.

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Speaker 5: You haven't done anything to a draft.

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Speaker 6: I get that it should be the those guys, but

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Speaker 6: at some point you're gonna have to address your defensive

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Speaker 6: end and he can't draft one to save his life.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, Jeff, he has addressed it. It

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Speaker 4: just hasn't worked against the problem. He cannot identified it.

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Speaker 4: When you look at how he's built the roster. I

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Speaker 4: get what you're saying about going out. He's spent the money.

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Speaker 4: They have gone out and got free agents, and they

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Speaker 4: have invested first round picks and Kevin you would know

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Speaker 4: this better off top of your head than I do.

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Speaker 4: But just how much they've invested in that front seven,

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Speaker 4: particularly that front four that hasn't been a great return

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Speaker 4: on investment and investment outside of the Forest Buckner and

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Speaker 4: Grover Stewart when you're talking about year in a year

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Speaker 4: of consistency during the Chris Ballot era.

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Speaker 8: One more thing I will add, and I know we

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Speaker 8: can get into this throughout the show. By the way,

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Speaker 8: Rick Carlisle a little later this morning, nine point thirty

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Speaker 8: here on this Tuesday morning, as the Pacers try to

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Speaker 8: end their longest losing streak in franchise history, I don't know,

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Speaker 8: And James, you can speak this certainly outside of the

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Speaker 8: Jeff Saturday a press conference, that infamous Monday night, I

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Speaker 8: don't know the last time, and I'm trying to go

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Speaker 8: back well before the Jeff Saturday press conference, I don't

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Speaker 8: I'm talking to even people that and I know this

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Speaker 8: is a little bit of a straw poll, but like

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Speaker 5: We will talk about it all morning long.

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Speaker 6: We'll get your feedback at two three, nine, ten seventy

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Speaker 5: Next it's ninety three five and one on seven five

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Speaker 6: Good morning, and welcome into the Fan Morning Show Long

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Speaker 6: with Kevin Bowen, James Boyd. I'm jeff Rickord. Mark dyked

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Speaker 6: in on the Ones and too so opening up a

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Speaker 7: Mark, Well, because the standard yesterday I ken Shane and

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Speaker 8: Can we go high? Maybe you needed to be higher

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Speaker 4: I have ever seen the movie How High? Of course, when

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Speaker 8: Read man and when you need him right, could you

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Speaker 7: That was the greatest things giving halftime shure I have

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Speaker 8: So you could petition the NFL for that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, make it happen. Go for it. Mark, that's a

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Speaker 8: Well, can you play Creed? Get that to happen.

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Speaker 6: This is interesting too, because we know that Chris Ballard's

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Speaker 5: What about the rest of the staff, Kevin.

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Speaker 6: We got a text from Tom wondering, don't you guys

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Speaker 5: Did they largely remain intact?

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Speaker 8: So, Charlie Partridge's the defensive line coach, is a longtime

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Speaker 8: what lou Ana Rumo potentially getting a head coaching job,

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Speaker 4: I think one she really wanted to stick to her

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Speaker 4: If they don't care, then what is the point in

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Speaker 4: And I thought, Kevin, you made a great point. I

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Speaker 8: Shout out to Boomhaer in ten catches in that home

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Speaker 6: Well, and maybe I think it gets back to me

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Speaker 7: I like to think she's already over twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 7: She's like, I'm pushing all my problems to twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 8: What do you think you heard Kevin Well?

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Speaker 4: not deciding how long I will be of service. I

439
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Speaker 4: would give myself a lifetime contract to make a lot

440
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Speaker 4: of money and be a general manager in the NFL.

441
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Speaker 4: If I were in those shoes. So I interpreted that

442
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Speaker 4: as like, I haven't decided that yet when it comes

443
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Speaker 4: to the GM, who is now going into his ten season.

444
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Speaker 4: So those two things combined were to me a little bit.

445
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say who's worthy because there's not

446
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Speaker 4: something you can necessarily glean from that to like make

447
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Speaker 4: it a headline, but I kind of put that in

448
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 4: the back of my mind, like, hmm, those two things

449
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: are worth revisiting if we see changes down the line.

450
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Speaker 4: But granted that's gonna be at minimum a year from now.

451
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Speaker 7: Boy, they better be tied at the hip if I'm

452
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Speaker 7: a fan, because having been on the other side of

453
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Speaker 7: like coaching hires and firings, if you don't tear out

454
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Speaker 7: the GM and head coaching hirings and firings simultaneously, and

455
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Speaker 7: you're going like off script and you know GM's here,

456
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 7: but the head coach is new, you're just throwing your

457
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Speaker 7: whole organization off whackford.

458
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Speaker 8: Wait a minute, what about your bears this year? Mark dykedn'

459
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Speaker 8: are you the outlier that surprising?

460
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Speaker 7: Well, considering they they've done it before to you know,

461
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Speaker 7: tire fire expectations, they finally got it right this year.

462
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Speaker 7: But normally it is not a good thing.

463
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Speaker 4: Well, one quick thing I'll say about Mark's Bears, they

464
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Speaker 4: also had the number one pick, so that changes a

465
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Speaker 4: lot of the equation when it comes to GM change,

466
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 4: this coaching change, whatever. CAYLEB Williams is a very good

467
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: football player, so that probably helped a lot of people

468
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Speaker 4: kind of figure it out over there. Whereas with the Colts,

469
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Speaker 4: I think Daniel Jones is a good football player, good

470
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Speaker 4: quarterback when he's healthy, But the problem there is that

471
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Speaker 4: he's coming off a torn achilles and he has a

472
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Speaker 4: lengthy injury history.

473
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

474
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Speaker 8: I don't want to read too too much into this, James,

475
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Speaker 8: but like when Carly did individually talk about Chris Ballard

476
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Speaker 8: and Shane Steiking yesterday, I think you would say there

477
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Speaker 8: was probably more praise or maybe just less questions about

478
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Speaker 8: Shane than Chris. I did think about that, and again

479
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Speaker 8: I don't want to overread that, but I know I

480
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 8: largely think they are tight at the hip. But you know, again,

481
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Speaker 8: if you were individually giving grades to Chris Ballard or

482
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Speaker 8: Shane Second, they would not have the same grade. No, Yes,

483
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Speaker 8: if I were starting NFL franchise tomorrow, I do I

484
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Speaker 8: agree with Mark, I think the best way is to

485
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Speaker 8: tie those two at the hip. I think it's the

486
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Speaker 8: healthiest way, is probably the best way to put it.

487
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Speaker 8: But I mean, when you're hired six years differently six

488
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Speaker 8: years in the NFL, that's eons guy, So you know,

489
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Speaker 8: I think whatever offering individual grades for them, I guess.

490
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Speaker 4: Six years ago, I think Tyrek Hill was still a

491
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Speaker 4: Kansas City chief, So like, that's how long it's been.

492
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Speaker 4: But to your point about the balance of sort of

493
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Speaker 4: the news conference, how much we talked about Chris Ballard,

494
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Speaker 4: how much you talked about Shane Styke. In personally, I

495
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: went into it thinking this is the one time we

496
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Speaker 4: will talk to the owner for months, and as much

497
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Speaker 4: as Shane Stykes shouldn't be absolved of some of the

498
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Speaker 4: team's issues. I know you pointed it out, Kevin. I

499
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Speaker 4: did ask your question about being seven and twenty two

500
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Speaker 4: against teams of winning records at the end of the year.

501
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Speaker 4: He to me, isn't a top the list of problems

502
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Speaker 4: quote unquote for the Colts. A lot of those problems

503
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 4: either are Chris Ballard or tied to Chris Ballard. So

504
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Speaker 4: that's why I personally was like, man, only get so many.

505
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Speaker 8: Shots at the rim.

506
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Speaker 4: Here, let me try to shoot some and get some

507
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: answers about the guy in charge of fixing this more

508
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: than anybody else, which again for the tenth year, is

509
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Speaker 4: Chris Ballard.

510
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Speaker 6: It's interesting too, George wants to know going into next season,

511
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Speaker 6: based on what we saw this past Sunday, do you

512
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Speaker 6: think the coaching staff has more trust in the upside

513
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Speaker 6: of Riley Leonard or Anthony Richardson, given the fact that

514
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Speaker 6: he's had his opportunities already.

515
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Speaker 5: It almost feels like Anthony Richardson is done playing.

516
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Speaker 8: I would be at this point. I think I would

517
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Speaker 8: be surprised if Anthony Richardson was a cult in September.

518
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Speaker 8: So yes, answer that question. I would say, Ryle Leonard, James,

519
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Speaker 8: I know you didn't get we didn't really hit on

520
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Speaker 8: in the first hour yesterday before you exited, But what

521
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Speaker 8: did you think of Ryle Leonard on Sunday?

522
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Speaker 4: I thought he was pretty good, and I thought he

523
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Speaker 4: showed a lot more than even in the Jacksonville game. Now,

524
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Speaker 4: granted he also had a full week of practice to prepare,

525
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Speaker 4: but he had a roller coaster kind of day. I

526
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Speaker 4: don't want to give him like say, it's like a

527
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 4: perfect performance, but took the throws that were there, showed

528
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Speaker 4: off some armstrangs, I thought, some athleticism, ability to extend

529
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Speaker 4: plays and look poison out there. I walked away thinking

530
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Speaker 4: from that game thinking, Okay, if they get in a

531
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Speaker 4: bind early next season, coming into next season, or if

532
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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, unfortunately for him, gets dinged up like he

533
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 4: has in the past and he misses a couple games,

534
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Speaker 4: this guy could help you get over the hump for

535
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Speaker 4: a period. I'm not saying he could be a franchise quarterback.

536
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, although many were telling

537
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Speaker 4: me that after the first touchdown past Sunday, and I

538
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Speaker 4: was thinking, you know what, that's one way to start

539
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Speaker 4: your career, young man. But that was my biggest takeaway.

540
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Speaker 4: And then hearing him talk yesterday, he even said the

541
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Speaker 4: game has slowed down so much for me because I

542
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Speaker 4: was able to sit watch learn, and this to me

543
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 4: was always sort of the maturation process for him anyway

544
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Speaker 4: versus again, I was on record saying they should have

545
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Speaker 4: started before going Philip Rivers, but even then that still

546
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Speaker 4: was going to be kind of a a now ideal

547
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Speaker 4: way to do his development. I think kind of he'sing

548
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Speaker 4: him into a game that yeah, it means something, means nothing,

549
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 4: It meant a lot for him, and that was good.

550
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

551
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Speaker 8: I thought the thing that stood out to me was

552
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Speaker 8: his success was largely the aspect of his game that

553
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Speaker 8: I think many would say is the biggest question mark

554
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Speaker 8: entering the NFL. Like his success was throwing the ball

555
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Speaker 8: down the field against that starting defense. And I'm not

556
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Speaker 8: just talking about the deep ball to Alec Pierce. I mean,

557
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 8: obviously the sixty six yard early in the game was

558
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 8: a huge, huge play, but I just mean some of

559
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Speaker 8: the second kind of third level throws from the pocket.

560
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Speaker 8: This was not like Riley Leonard can make plays with

561
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Speaker 8: his legs. We saw that on Sunday, But I don't

562
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Speaker 8: think that was eighty percent of his game on Sunday.

563
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Speaker 8: That it was a part of his game, but it

564
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Speaker 8: was a complimentary part to his game. He had, you know,

565
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Speaker 8: a more successful day than not largely because of his

566
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Speaker 8: ability to throw it, which you know, again that to

567
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Speaker 8: me is a question obviously, you know, ball security, within

568
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Speaker 8: the pocket, all that those are things.

569
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Speaker 4: It was like a by the Houston defensive and I

570
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: was thinking to myself, that is exactly why you own defense?

571
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: Do you think every defensive back was just a y

572
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: receiver couldn't catch growing up?

573
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Speaker 8: But that was that was tough to watch, Like he

574
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 8: was kind of stumbling going back. I'm like, I don't

575
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 8: see this ending well, like it kind of looked like

576
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 8: one of those people at halftime that feel the punt. Yeah, old,

577
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 8: I feel I want to kick.

578
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Speaker 4: I just fear for that from my future children, where

579
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: it's like, boy, if I'm watching practice and the coach goes,

580
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: you're always in the right spot, but you got bricks

581
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: for hands, won't need you to go over there, I'm like, well,

582
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: got it from your daddy.

583
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: Yeah you were.

584
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Speaker 6: Guys, we're talking about the fact that that the Shane's

585
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 6: not a top the list of problems for the Colts.

586
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 6: Ed wants to know though he seems to think that

587
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 6: he gets the chain. Styken gets a pass from us

588
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 6: coach them to seven straight losses. You talked about the

589
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Speaker 6: seven and twenty two record. Does he get a little

590
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Speaker 6: bit of a pass because people are so focused on

591
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Speaker 6: Chris Ballard.

592
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Speaker 4: Well, optically, yes, I do think he gets a pass

593
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Speaker 4: from that perspective. When we're talking about to carl Er,

594
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 4: say Gordon I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna waste five

595
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: questions on Shane Styk and when I can use five

596
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: of them on Chris Baller, that just isn't gonna happen.

597
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: But I will say, when you look at the totality

598
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: of everything, we had an hour to sit with her,

599
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: he certainly wouldn't be far from the top. I think

600
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: it's definitely Chris Baaler in a gap, and then Shane

601
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 4: Styke and other people involved with the franchise. I don't

602
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: want to make it seem like he doesn't matter, or

603
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: he's been this flawless coach who has this impeccable resume

604
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: and shouldn't be touched. He shouldn't feel safe either. But

605
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: my point is, I think you have to start with

606
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: Chris Ballard before you trickle down everything else.

607
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and one thing that that a couple of textures

608
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 6: are pointing out too. The season had started to go

609
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: sideways even before Daniel Jones got hurt. A Jim d

610
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 6: pointing out that he thought the season was over after

611
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 6: the Steelers had the blueprint out of how to beat

612
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 6: the Colts. You know, I know they had that great start,

613
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 6: but again, I kind of agree with Jim and that

614
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 6: after that Steelers game, it kind of felt like the gig.

615
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: Was up a little bit for the goal.

616
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 8: I can't go that far.

617
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: You got a big time win Overseas, beating Atlanta to

618
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: go to AID and two, and then after the bye week,

619
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Speaker 4: your quarterback comes back with a broken leg. Now, I

620
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: believe that injury perhaps happened in the Falcons game or

621
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: earlier in the season. I don't want to make it

622
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Speaker 4: seem like he got hurt over the bye week, noning

623
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: like that. That didn't happen. He got hurt in a game.

624
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: But after that, I think is when you saw him

625
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: change a lot. So I can't sit here and say

626
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: that this team was already going to collapse no matter

627
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: you know the circumstances that occurred. They were sliding a bit,

628
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: for sure, They were regressing a bit, for sure, But

629
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: to me, that was always going to happen because they

630
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: were operating at such a crazy level offensively early in

631
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Speaker 4: the season. I mean, if you think about it, I

632
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: looked this up, Kevin. Through their first ten games when

633
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: they went eight and two, they were averaging three point

634
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: one seven points per drive, So that meant if they

635
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: got a field goal they were lowering their average that

636
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: was the fourth highest average this century. They were always

637
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 4: going to backslide at some point, but I think that

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: it was compounded by the injury in particular Daniel Jones,

639
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: because not only did he fall off, you know, Will's

640
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: fall off without him, Tyler Warren. A lot of the

641
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: stuff they did with him when it comes to movement

642
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: and getting Tyler out in space h was predicated off

643
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: of the legs of Daniel Jones.

644
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 8: Yeah. This is where probably a little bit most probably

645
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 8: most torn on the twenty twenty five season is like, Okay, whatever,

646
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 8: I guess if you want to play the hypothetical like

647
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones doesn't get hurt. Are they still unquestionably a

648
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 8: playoff team?

649
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 5: Again?

650
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 8: They missed winning the division by five games, So like

651
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 8: everyone brings up Seattle, Carli Risa Gordon did it yesterday? Yeah, okay,

652
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 8: let's call Seattle a win. So you lose the division

653
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 8: by four and you missed the wild card by two.

654
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Speaker 8: Are there more games that you're gonna tell me, well,

655
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Speaker 8: should have flipped? Okay? So are people going to go

656
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Speaker 8: with Okay, yeah, Houston should have been different and Kansas

657
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 8: City should have been different. Okay, what about Arizona, what

658
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 8: about Denver? I mean, those games easily could have gone

659
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 8: the other way when you were healthy, Like you know, so,

660
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 8: I just can't really sit here and say, oh my gosh, yes,

661
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 8: if Daniel Jones would have never gotten hurt, the Colts

662
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 8: are AFC South champions.

663
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Speaker 9: I don't.

664
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not one that sits there and can make

665
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 8: this guarantee. They missed win the division by five. Daniel

666
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 8: Jones got hurt in early December. They were out of

667
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 8: the playoffs when Daniel Jones towards Achilles, Houston is winning.

668
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 8: So starting zero and three, their backup quarterback is needed

669
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Speaker 8: for three games and they win twelve. That's a good point.

670
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Speaker 8: You met well.

671
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: Personally, I expected Daniel Jones to play offense and defense

672
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: the last two months of the season, to kind of

673
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: give him a little more of himself. That was my

674
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: thinking lineup on it. On the edge do the old

675
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: what is it?

676
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 8: Four?

677
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 9: A three?

678
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: A football thing here in state of Indiana.

679
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Speaker 8: By the way, got as much production out of Daniel

680
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 8: Jones a d end as you got as some of

681
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Speaker 8: them saying.

682
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think you make a good point there, don't.

683
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to act like it's all injuries, but

684
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: it's also I mean, we can talk ourselves into circles

685
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: about this. So if we're going to play that game

686
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: of do the Colts win this game? The Coats do

687
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: lose that game? Does every other team when every game

688
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: they're supposed to to put them out of it? Like

689
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: if we go back in time, I don't know, but

690
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: I will say when she kept emphasizing finishing for this group,

691
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: that to me is why I have concerns about running

692
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: it back, because the finishing isn't just about what happened

693
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: on offense. It's your defensive corps, your defensive unit that

694
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it was so on brand for that team

695
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: to lose in that fashion this past Sunday. Yes, it

696
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: didn't matter, but it also was, in my opinion, meaningful

697
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: to her degree because these are the problems that played you, Jeff,

698
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 4: and you couldn't change them. But I mean, in the end,

699
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: it didn't matter because Curly Ersa. Gordon told us yesterday

700
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: in the press conference she made that decision over a

701
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: week ago to retain them, So that meant going into

702
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: Houston they were already safe.

703
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 8: Wow. And I think she made it back in Halloween.

704
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 8: I mean, whenever you green light the sauce Gardner trade.

705
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I was using her word yah yeah, but the

706
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: Gardner trade.

707
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Speaker 8: As soon as that happened. She did admit yesterday that

708
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 8: was a component of retaining everyone. So that I think

709
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Speaker 8: coupled with obviously the first two months of the season,

710
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Speaker 8: all of that.

711
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's there's so much going into this

712
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 6: when you step back and look at it from ten

713
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 6: thousand feet, it was an incredibly emotional year for all

714
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 6: three of those sisters. They lost their dad. I get

715
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 6: the feeling that Chris Ballard and Shane Stike and along

716
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 6: with those three and other folks in that front office

717
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 6: probably rallied together and kind of banded together.

718
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 5: And then the season gets off to a great start.

719
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Speaker 6: Carly Ursa is all in on the new and approved,

720
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 6: aggressive Chris Ballard.

721
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: She says, yes, make that deal.

722
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 6: She says, go get that the stuff that we got

723
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 6: before the begin of the year. I think her fingerprints

724
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 6: are all over all the changes that happened, and at

725
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 6: the end of the day, she probably feels like, you

726
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 6: know what, we've all been threw a lot together this year.

727
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: I signed off on everything. You guys wanted to do.

728
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 6: I can't hold you solely accountable at this point in time,

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 6: and I was encouraged by the seven to one start.

730
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 6: I think you put all those things together, and she's like.

731
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Speaker 5: I'm going to run it back for one more year.

732
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Speaker 8: James, I do want to get to Traveri Sward maybe

733
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 8: coming up in the eight o'clock hour. You guys were

734
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 8: chatting with him yesterday as we were closing out the show,

735
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 8: and so we were kind of relaying some of the

736
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Speaker 8: tweets that you had. Boy, I don't know the last

737
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 8: time I've seen a Colts player that candid, and I

738
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 8: got the vibe. And again, all I'm doing is watching

739
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 8: your videos, but I got the vibe that there should

740
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 8: be some serious questions about that dude playing football in

741
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty six and beyond.

742
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 4: I think he would even say he has some serious

743
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: questions he has to answer for himself. Wouldn't get into

744
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 4: all of that on the other side of this break.

745
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's why I put the videos out there,

746
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: because I was thinking to myself, whoa people need to

747
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: see the tonge or see the wait he said these things.

748
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: Hear the tone of his voice and the seriousness of

749
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: it and also kind of the levity he talked about

750
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: it with the man mentioned, you know, I've made a

751
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 4: lot of money, I've been to the Super Bowl, I've

752
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: done everything I wanted to do in my career as

753
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: an undrafted free agent. So part of that, I think

754
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 4: is the equation when it comes to playing football game.

755
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: And shout out to him for being very candid about

756
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: the serious nature of concussions brain injuries, because most football

757
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: players don't talk like that, and I would expect them to,

758
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: but he doesn't have to offer that sort of vulnerability

759
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: as a dude who again has already done a lot

760
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: of things and could be viewed by some people soft

761
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: or whatever, like now, he not soft. I think he's

762
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: actually pretty real and pretty strong for even opening up

763
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: like that.

764
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's you know, most of the time you

765
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: get like, I don't know, I'll think about it.

766
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 5: For the next couple of weeks and get back to

767
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 5: you guys.

768
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said he has to make a decision asap.

769
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: I don't know what asap means, but he did say

770
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to hold the team hostage with his

771
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: decision on whether he wants to play it or not.

772
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Speaker 8: All Right, he said, yeah, I just Madee's one thing

773
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 8: when he said something the effect of the other week.

774
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 8: You know, I got whatever, I ran into something or

775
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 8: I got hit with something, and that immediately started a headache.

776
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 8: That's when I was like, damn, yeah, damn, damn, damn.

777
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 8: So carry that's obviously first off, his own health you

778
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 8: certainly point to, and everything he's had to go through

779
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 8: off the field as well. But he's obviously a critical

780
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 8: component too. I would assume the plan to run it back.

781
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 8: So that's a conversation we can get into. On the

782
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 8: other side.

783
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, based on our text line today, it is a

784
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 6: largely unhappy fan base right now. We'll talk more about that,

785
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 6: get to some of those things, and talk a little

786
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 6: bit more about how the Colts build this roster moving forward,

787
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 6: given some of the limitations they now have.

788
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: It's all come in your way. Next ninety three five,

789
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 5: one oh seven five, all.

790
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 8: Right, seven o'clock tonight, inside of gamebridge Field House Spacers

791
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 8: will try and end a twelve game losing streak. Or really,

792
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 8: it was a pretty entertaining game down in Orlando on Sunday.

793
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 8: Certainly had some chances in fifty to fifty balls late

794
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 8: in that game, but the Pacers lose and how they

795
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 8: shift gear to the Cleveland Cavaliers tonight and to talk

796
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 8: more about it. He is the head coach of the Pacers.

797
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 8: He is on the Payless Slickers hotline. Rick Carlisle, Happy

798
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 8: New Year, Good morning to you. How are you doing

799
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 8: doing well? Thank you health wise? Any update on Benedict

800
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 8: Matherin and how long he could be out with the

801
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 8: stumb injury.

802
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 9: No, hard to say. I guess my thought my what

803
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 9: I would be comfortable saying is likely at least a week,

804
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 9: but really really undetermined how long for sure?

805
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 8: How do you look at his season so far?

806
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 5: Rick?

807
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 8: Obviously opening night he's got the big scoring night, and

808
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 8: then you know, suffers that toe injury. You know, go

809
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 8: pretty closely there after it missing some time, comes back,

810
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 8: he's had some make consistencies, and then you know he's

811
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 8: had this stumb injury as well. How do you kind

812
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 8: of look at a year and obviously more on his

813
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 8: plate this season, I.

814
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 9: Really believe, starting with the toe thing that happened in

815
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 9: the Memphis game, which I think was the second game

816
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 9: of the year, he's just been banged up. He just

817
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 9: hasn't been totally one hundred percent. To his great credit,

818
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 9: he is just conu you know, for a long time,

819
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 9: just continued to play and it just got to a

820
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 9: point where you know, the thumb was was bothering him.

821
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 9: I'm not sure the exact status of the toe thing,

822
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 9: but he just hasn't looked quite like himself, and so

823
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 9: it's been difficult. And so you know, this break is needed,

824
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 9: and I think he'll come back refreshed and and in

825
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 9: a lot better position to play his game again.

826
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Speaker 4: We're talking to Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers

827
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: here on the Pill Circus Hotline. Rick, I want to

828
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 4: pivot to Michael Potter has quite the story when it

829
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: comes to the NBA Journey and was a member of

830
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: the Team USA team that actually won gold and the Olympics.

831
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: Now I want to say member. He was a part

832
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: of like their ramp up for the Paris Olympics. But

833
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: what has been your experience getting to know him and

834
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: how much he loves the game and how highly skilled

835
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: he must be to obviously even have a chance to

836
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: join all those greats.

837
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 9: Last summer, Yeah, we heard a lot of good things

838
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 9: about him. He was on the select team, and the

839
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 9: Select team's job is to be practice players for Team USA,

840
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 9: to be competitive on the one hand, and on the

841
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 9: other hand, to make sure they don't hurt anybody. You know,

842
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 9: I mean in the in the scrimmages, et cetera. And so, look,

843
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 9: he's a very good player. You know. One thing that

844
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 9: I've noticed about him, and he looked back in his

845
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 9: last couple of years, you know, he he he's both

846
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 9: the four and the five position. And in the Orlando

847
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 9: game a couple of days ago, you know, we had

848
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 9: a segment of the game where he and I think

849
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 9: Tony Bradley were playing together for a while. So you know,

850
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 9: it's he's got some versatility, he's got some experience, he's

851
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 9: you know the right age. You know, a guy in

852
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 9: his you know, mid twenties or whatever it is, loves

853
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 9: the game, as you mentioned, and you know he's helped us,

854
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 9: and so he's he's he's got it. He's got himself

855
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 9: a great opportunity.

856
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: Here again, that opportunity tonight probably a big role. It's Cleveland.

857
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 8: It's seven o'clock pacers and calves here on a Tuesday. Coach,

858
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 8: when you're in a losing streak like you are, you know,

859
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 8: when you hear coaches so often it's a process oriented basis.

860
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 8: How difficult is it when you are in a slide

861
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 8: like this to stick to whatever process that you want

862
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 8: to adhere to. But also do you find a balance

863
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 8: of like, hey, we need to break some things, we

864
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 8: need to do things differently in order for the end

865
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 8: result to be different. Is that a bit of a

866
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 8: battle for you right now?

867
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 9: Well, there's a lot of battles going on, but there's

868
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 9: no choice but to focus on process. Really, Hey, you know,

869
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 9: you can't just go into every day talking about, hey,

870
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 9: we got to win, we gotta win, we gotta win.

871
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, we have some extraordinary circumstances with

872
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 9: a lot of guys out. You know, that's that's old news.

873
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 9: The thing we got to do is we've got to

874
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 9: do the basics better. I think coming into the leading

875
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 9: into this interview, you talked about a couple of fifty

876
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 9: to fifty balls, you know, you know, with forty to

877
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 9: go in the fourth quarter, we're down three one three,

878
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 9: and there's a ball that Pscal has in his hands.

879
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 9: Briefly Nemhart may have touched it, and we we just

880
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 9: got to squeeze that thing and be able to get

881
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 9: into another offensive possession and score and then get another shop,

882
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 9: you know, and we put ourselves in position. You know,

883
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 9: this game tonight interestingly, you know, I'm not sure you

884
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 9: know how a lot of people view Cleveland, but Cleveland

885
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 9: is a is a is a temple team. They shoot

886
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 9: a lot of threes, but they're a great offensive rebounding team.

887
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 9: And so this game tonight comes down to, you know,

888
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 9: the most important coverage is transition defense. And you know,

889
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 9: they're they're gonna they're gonna run pick and rolls and

890
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 9: stuff like that. But if you don't, if you don't

891
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 9: get back and stop them in transition, they're going to

892
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 9: get off good looks at three d's and they get

893
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 9: and they have guys flying in from everywhere. And so

894
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 9: the last game we played them, I think they had

895
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 9: nineteen offensive rebounds and a bazillion you know, second chance points.

896
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 9: So you know, this comes down to possession of the ball,

897
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 9: and we've got to clean possession, you know, on misses

898
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 9: when we're defending, and then you know, offensively, uh, we

899
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 9: had to get great shots and within our crash games,

900
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 9: you know, be opportunistic there. But there's nothing there's nothing

901
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 9: fun about losing. There's nothing easy about losing. We got

902
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 9: to maintain a very positive approach with our players and

903
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 9: you know, show them, you know, equally equally as much

904
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 9: positive stuff as negative stuff. I mean, I think that's

905
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 9: super important. I think I told you guys before that

906
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 9: you know, we probably are more on the sixty five

907
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 9: seventy positive and you know the thirty thirty five percent

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 9: things we need to correct when we look at films.

909
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 9: So you know, that's that's where it's at. And you know,

910
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 9: we get another opportunity to commit to compete tonight and

911
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 9: we're looking forward to.

912
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 8: It that New Year's Eve. Mattin a game we talked

913
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 8: to you the day before that and after that game

914
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 8: against the Magic, you use the phrase you know, too

915
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 8: much petty nons sense in that game. Did you see

916
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 8: less of that in the San Antonio and I guess

917
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 8: the second Orlando games over the weekend? Yes, could you

918
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 8: define petty nonsense?

919
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 9: No, I'm not going to get into it on this,

920
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 9: but I would like to. I would like to congratulate

921
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 9: James on sports Prayer of the Year and the State

922
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 9: of Indiana. Pretty pretty amazing accomplishment and congratulations and he's

923
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 9: a young King of All Media, Rising King of All Media.

924
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 8: Amen, I appreciate that.

925
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say, yeah, you were the first

926
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: time I cover when I moved here to Indianapolis, So

927
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: Thomas kind of flown by, But not to make it

928
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: about me. To pivot back to the Pacers and your team.

929
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: When you look at Aaron Smith obviously been double some

930
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: injuries like many of your players have this year, how

931
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: much do you think he sort of turned the corner

932
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: a bit and look like the player that we know

933
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: him to be and the guy who can be one

934
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: of the better two way players.

935
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 8: In the league.

936
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's done a great job of this rehab, conditioning everything.

937
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 9: You know. The the the big challenge right now is

938
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 9: not to have to overplay him get him up into

939
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 9: the mid to high thirties and minutes. I mean, that's

940
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 9: that's where particularly a guy coming back from you know,

941
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 9: being out six seven weeks whatever it was, you can

942
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 9: you can run into some some dangerous stuff. But he's

943
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 9: super valuable. I think he's showing that since he's been back.

944
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 9: He's one of the leaders of the team. You know,

945
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 9: he's he's getting his rhythm back, he's you know, he's

946
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 9: defending a lot of the better players that we play against,

947
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 9: and so you know, look him, Nemhard and Siakam, you

948
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 9: know those are those guys are our three you know,

949
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 9: main guys in our veteran leaders and then you know

950
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 9: you put TJ. McConnell in that in that category as

951
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 9: well off the bench as a as a veteran guy.

952
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 9: So all those guys, you know, we need to play

953
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 9: big for us and they need to help us with

954
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 9: our leadership of the team.

955
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 4: One more regarding the team, kind of being in a

956
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 4: tough spot right now, Rick, how do you balance the

957
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: urge to want to do more but knowing that more

958
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: might not always be the answer. Meaning I want to

959
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: practice more, I want to watch more film, I want

960
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 4: to do all these different things. But how much of

961
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 4: it is doing more versus just doing something different? Trying

962
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: to marry the two ideas.

963
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 9: Good question. You know. One of the things that can

964
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 9: happen is, you know, when you go through a period

965
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 9: where you know, you lose a lot of games, a

966
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 9: different kind of fatigue can set in, and so we've

967
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 9: got to be mindful of that. We've got to try

968
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 9: to keep our guys as fresh as possible when we're

969
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 9: preparing them for the upcoming game, make sure we're very

970
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 9: on point and concise with scouting information and not overload

971
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 9: voting all those kinds of things. And then you know,

972
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 9: we just got to keep every tuned up ready to play.

973
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 9: It's a it's a it's a part of the year

974
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 9: where you know, get into January and this can be

975
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 9: this can be the dog days. And you know last

976
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 9: year January was a real turning point in our season.

977
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 9: And uh, you know right now, we we we want

978
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 9: to get on a get on a positive run here

979
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 9: of some sort. But that starts with playing better, doing

980
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 9: the basics better and getting closer to a chance to.

981
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 8: Win rick last one. And again, appreciate the time so

982
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 8: actually on a game day, you know, we talked so

983
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 8: much in the last couple of years with you about

984
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 8: the freedom of your point guard and particularly Tyrese Haliburton,

985
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 8: and you know you having that meeting with them when

986
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 8: the trade happened. Hey, I'm going to give you the

987
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 8: ball and and you know you believe in him. Obviously

988
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 8: given his absence this year, have you had to run

989
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 8: more set plays, more places on the sideline than you

990
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 8: have in past years?

991
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 9: Oh? We we have and it's not it's not just

992
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 9: a ty reason not being out there thing. You know,

993
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 9: there were stretches where Nemar miss time, and there were

994
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 9: stretches where, you know, we felt the temple of the

995
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 9: game needed to needed to be more of a medium

996
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 9: tempo type thing. We're we're really we're really not there now.

997
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 9: Uh Nemar has been back, he's you know, for a

998
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 9: while now, and you know, he's the guy that I

999
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 9: implicitly trust running the team as well, and he plays

1000
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 9: better and our team plays better when we play with tempo,

1001
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 9: with pace and you know, with with player empowerment. You know,

1002
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 9: we just when we do that, you know, there's there's

1003
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 9: a responsibility that falls on them for quality, shot creation,

1004
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 9: ball security and you know, attention to detail when it

1005
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 9: comes to the basics. So you know, I have a

1006
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 9: phrase that I use very very very often. You know,

1007
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 9: two hands, two eyes and coming up with the possession

1008
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 9: of the ball and putting two hands on the ball

1009
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 9: this is the first thing, and then two eyes on

1010
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 9: the guy you're throwing it to to make sure that

1011
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 9: you that we can make that next pass. Because when

1012
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 9: we are able to secure an opponent's turnover, we got

1013
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 9: to make sure we have a number one and number

1014
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 9: two that when we make that next pass, which which

1015
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 9: really feeds into the strength of our team, which is

1016
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 9: playing fast and in transition, we got to complete that pass.

1017
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 9: And we've had many instances this year where you know,

1018
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 9: we've had miscues and we got to keep working to

1019
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 9: cut down on those.

1020
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 8: Appreciate the shout out for James certainly well Deservedrik Tonight coach,

1021
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 8: and we'll chat with you next Tuesday, all right, See

1022
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 8: you guys,