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Speaker 1: I've been a little down the past week. I've been

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Speaker 1: This is this is an absolute true story I'm about

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Speaker 1: from a fire hose, and no matter what thing we

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Speaker 1: And you're never going to stop these people. You're never

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Speaker 1: And then I thought about pulling the plug on the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. I said, maybe it's time for the old

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 1: And I last night I had a talk with my

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Speaker 1: instantly drawn right back into it. And today Casey and

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Speaker 4: A lot of beautiful in pH lot.

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Speaker 3: Of beautiful day, Oh God, a beautif.

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Speaker 1: Everything's going mow. And that big thing is that it's

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Speaker 1: finally being revealed to the public. What a complete dumpster

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Speaker 1: fire the mayor of Carmel and her rotten city government

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Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, So the Mayor of Carmel, Sufinkhm is alleging

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Speaker 3: that some councilors harassed city employees.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get to what she means by harassment just

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Speaker 1: a second. Okay, but this is like I would be

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Speaker 1: morti fun. Of course, these people have no shame, so

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Speaker 1: all of the things going on with her city, all

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Speaker 1: is the sort of lack for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: Touny newspaper in Hamilton County City newspapers covers all things

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Speaker 1: Hamilton County. They they have this huge expose on this

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Speaker 1: of Carmel. And what is she focused on, Casey, not

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Speaker 1: lowering her property tax rate, not focusing on affordability of

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, she's not focused on any of that. She's

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Speaker 1: focused on because some counselor told a city employee that

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Speaker 3: So she labeled the comment as demeaning and inappropriate, saying

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Speaker 1: Now what's great about this article is these counselors. They know,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I would like to to these

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Speaker 1: I would like to offer them unlimited time on this program.

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Speaker 5: So they can defend saying all dalled up.

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Speaker 1: No dump, all over the mayor. Okay, if you want

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Speaker 1: Because I am all for this, I love that this

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Speaker 1: I love that they're pushing back. I'm team council Member

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Speaker 1: When you go in front of these senators and you

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Speaker 3: So the interesting thing about this is they're all Republicans.

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Speaker 3: They're arguing like siblings over the auxiliary court on a

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Speaker 3: road trip, right, And in the meantime, the residents of Carmel,

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Speaker 3: what do they want? They want their Chris Kindall market,

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Speaker 5: They want beautiful roundabouts.

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Speaker 3: And Suefincolm is in charge of what a two hundred

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Speaker 1: And this is what she's spending her time on. There

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Speaker 1: you go, Look if if okay, Casey, now, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to report you to get Spicy. Well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to report you to HR. I'm not gonna let

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Speaker 1: this go any further than just us having this conversation here.

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Speaker 1: You did tell me a week or so ago that

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 3: We were walking in the building at the same time

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Speaker 5: Oh, you look cute today.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm a is that highly inappropriate? Well, I'm a

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Speaker 5: Nothing compared to what has been said.

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Speaker 1: Oh, women have said way way more intense things. But

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Speaker 1: this general assemblage, right, I mean, I've let's let's face it,

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Speaker 1: oriented program. Sure, but what I'm saying is, I said, thanks, Casey,

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Speaker 1: that was very nice of you. I didn't make a

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to a manager. You were just stating

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Speaker 3: He said it was a gender neutral compliment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I would have no problem telling producer Carl Carl,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Carl would be reporting me to HR

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Speaker 1: if I said that. And you're like you said, You're

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Speaker 1: in charge of what hundreds of employees, hundreds of millions

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Speaker 1: and this is what you're spending your time on. Now

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Speaker 1: There's more to this story because they go into the

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Speaker 1: city Council wants some of these invoices for legal bills

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Speaker 1: related to this Chris Kendall market that they're not able

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Speaker 1: to get. This is a this is a really big thing,

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Speaker 1: Sufinkam the mayor of Carmel. I'm all for it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm team those people.

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Speaker 3: So is this a distraction a deflection? Some counselors are

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Speaker 3: describing this as manufactured drama. The real question is what

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Speaker 3: or is she just trying to direct your attention elsewhere?

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Speaker 1: And look, I'd be very remiss. We would invite the

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Speaker 1: been interested in hearing her side. Now, I can't recant

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Speaker 1: the things I previously just said, so I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it'd be a fair interview, but we would be willing

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Speaker 1: Where are you at on all this? Like if some guy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's it's not like he's an immediate supervisor.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is an elected official. But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like he was making a comment about a body part,

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Speaker 1: come on, aren't we all adults here? Can't we handle that?

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Speaker 3: Would you have said that to a male counterpart, if

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Speaker 1: I think I've told Kevin before he looked like a

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Speaker 1: million damn dollars? Like you might use a different phraseology,

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Speaker 1: but you're saying the same thing. I mean, like, keV,

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Speaker 1: would you report? Have you ever reported me to HR

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Speaker 1: for saying you look like a million damn dollars? I

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Speaker 1: don't think I did. It's it for you, No more

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Speaker 1: compliment for you, buddy. I mean, this is ridiculous. This

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Speaker 1: It's why our societies in the shape are in. It's

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Speaker 1: why are I mean, these are the people running like

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Speaker 1: this is their focus? She's lecturing these council members about

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Speaker 1: their etiquette. When I saw the headline, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's probably like this guy probably you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's not even clinic that close to that.

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Speaker 5: I think it really goes down to the employee.

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Speaker 3: You have to consider how she was feeling in the moment,

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Speaker 3: and is Sue fink I'm trying to protect her employees?

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Speaker 5: Is there more there? Is there something more nefarious? Is

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Speaker 5: it deeper? Is it more than just this one comment?

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Speaker 5: Or was that it? Mayor's blown this out of proportion?

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Speaker 5: And why is she doing that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you got more. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: big article, right, they clearly knew this is coming out.

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Speaker 1: You would think, I mean, she looks horrible in this article.

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Speaker 1: You would think if she had some smoking gun of

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Speaker 1: this mass inappropriate behavior like some of the things we've

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Speaker 1: alluded to, she would have thrown that out there as well.

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Speaker 1: Part of this, right, like, we're not going to tolerate this.

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Speaker 1: This is wholly inappropriate. The best you can do is say,

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Speaker 1: somebody got all dalled up for a TV interview. That's

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Speaker 1: what you got. That's your smoking gun that warrants an email.

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Speaker 1: I get out of here anyway, So we'll have a

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Speaker 1: we have a Caramel resident joining us here.

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Speaker 3: We'll get his take on. Yes, it is Kendaly Casey.

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Speaker 3: It's ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked we're all still alive, Casey.

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Speaker 5: Oh, because the government shut down.

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Speaker 1: The federal government has shut down.

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Speaker 3: How is it affecting your life? Tell me on every level?

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Speaker 3: Be specific? What is it doing to your day to

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Speaker 5: Oh, so really not at all, It's right.

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Speaker 5: Example, Congress is still getting paid.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Also so that the like they're not even

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Speaker 3: No, And the Smithsonian is going to stay open for

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Speaker 5: The postal service that's still running. They're still collecting student loans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You made a great point. You noticed it's never the

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Speaker 3: They still want your money. And and the people who

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Speaker 1: Somebody made a great point. This is the most effective

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Speaker 1: laps overpassing Biden level spending. That's what just happened here.

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Speaker 1: find out how much government we don't actually need. I

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Speaker 1: let's give it six months. Let's just make it.

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Speaker 1: All still here and he caved at the end and

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna go, right, But it doesn't matter like that.

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Speaker 1: Our government is so like massive would be an understated,

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Speaker 1: and it's so bloated. It's so ridiculous. These people are

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Speaker 1: we have a Carmel resident who's going to join us

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Speaker 3: Jim Meritis on the way from ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: People's a prival gout of his sleeping bag. Preach you

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: You might be saying, well, didn't you just do a

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Speaker 3: It's a widening schism, that's what it's being called.

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Speaker 1: We found we found it on the fly. We found

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Speaker 1: Jim Marrett, thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Hello, Robert.

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Speaker 1: You know I thought we were going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Sue Fincome remember her casey, She's the one who went

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Speaker 3: Correct, she led the charge and as Carmel goes, the

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Speaker 4: The wrong guy, lady.

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Speaker 1: Uh As my old man and I were talking about

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, I don't have a whole lot of that,

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Speaker 1: Well, I do when it comes to the government, Jim.

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Speaker 1: So Sue, you're about to see spite lady. Anyway, All

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Speaker 1: for a TV interview. That's the worst you can find it.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're spending your time on. Lady, Get to work.

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Speaker 1: You're the Carmel reside. You pay taxes there, what say you?

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Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, Well, first of all, I want to be safe.

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Speaker 4: I want great schools. I don't want any chuckles and

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Speaker 1: So wait, there's a pileon on the mayor.

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Speaker 4: There is a pilot and and you know they are

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Speaker 1: The article goes into it's like he was sending nudes

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't you be focused on doing things for the people

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Speaker 4: With the enormous responsibilities the mayor and the council have

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Speaker 3: So not a top priority.

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Speaker 4: This ought to be at the bottom list, and we

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Speaker 4: We all be talking about how they make a budget.

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Speaker 3: Why is she making because I can't stand where Carmel.

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Speaker 1: I'm not letting this one go.

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Speaker 3: Lady, I know why we're talking about it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't you know. You don't know what how

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Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is one of the most esteemed citizens our

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Speaker 1: state has ever had, and they are totally embarrassing him.

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Speaker 1: The mayor of Carmel is totally embarrassing him by this

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Speaker 1: horrible behavior. She really should be ashamed of herself for

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Speaker 1: forcing Jim Merritt, one of the finest, most decent humans

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Speaker 1: I have ever met, to have to come on and

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Speaker 1: talk about this garbage.

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Speaker 3: Do we think that she is trying to use this

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Speaker 3: to get her way. Do we think that maybe there's

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Speaker 3: something more nefarious going on and she's trying to protect

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Speaker 3: her employees.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know about all the underbrush.

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Speaker 4: But as a Republican and I'm not a leading I'm

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Speaker 4: a Republican citizen. Now I look at I look at

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Speaker 4: the next election, and it's going to be really quick

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty seven, and maybe the legislature comes back

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Speaker 4: in twenty six and irons out some things in regards

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Speaker 4: to property taxes. But Carmel is a purple city. Fishers

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Speaker 4: is a is a purple city, not so much Noblesville

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Speaker 4: not so much Westfield, but when when you look at

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Speaker 4: how hard to fincolm Ran for reelection and a quality

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Speaker 4: Democrat opponent in twenty twenty seven, and many of these

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Speaker 4: council districts, because really, when when you look at it,

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Speaker 4: I live in West Carmel, the precinct I had, I

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Speaker 4: had I live in Todd Young tied with his opponent

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Speaker 4: when he won.

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Speaker 1: Reelection or getting smarter over there.

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Speaker 4: It's become it's if if the council and I'm talking

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Speaker 4: to you, and I'm talking to the mayor, if you

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Speaker 4: don't start working together and get something done and not

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Speaker 4: have this underbrush that's embarrassing, you're gonna end up with

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Speaker 4: a Democrat city. And we don't want a Democrat city

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Speaker 4: in Carmel.

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Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Senate.

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Speaker 1: You're also a county party chairman, right former, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Marry Mary County. Yes, you ever banned someone from a

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Day You know.

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Speaker 4: When you got when you got banned from the from

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Speaker 4: a Lincoln Day dinner. I think the Republican Party should

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Speaker 4: be and in many quarters is a freedom of speech party.

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Speaker 4: And well, well that's what I believe, and I think,

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Speaker 4: I think, and I'm talking to all ninety two county

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Speaker 4: chairmen and the state chairman. Now, I would have you

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Speaker 4: as a as a speaker than you and you know

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Speaker 4: and and and have some truths. I mean, the Republican

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Speaker 4: Party has gotten used to Donald Trump being dynamic and

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Speaker 4: being ruthless and being to the point and and uh,

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Speaker 4: and the Republican Party in Indiana and all the counties

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Speaker 4: have gotten used to truths and and and putting it

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Speaker 4: all on the line. And they ought to have you

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Speaker 4: as a speaker. Are you worried that?

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Speaker 1: Because you know what Diego is, I would assume you,

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Speaker 1: being the decent member of humanity that you are. They're

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Speaker 1: zero wamp he's the Republican nominee. You're voting for that?

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Speaker 5: Well, are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you worried you would then be a Republican and

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Speaker 1: bad standing? Well?

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Speaker 4: I think I think first of all, Diego and Todd

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Speaker 4: Roketa Uh, and you're mean to him too, and and

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Speaker 4: as well as the lieutenant governor, they are children of

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Speaker 4: the Convention. And UH should braun uh support uh or

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Speaker 4: not support the lieutenant governor. He more than likely is

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Speaker 4: going to be our lieutenant governor candidate and Diego be

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Speaker 4: the Secretary of State and Todd rokeeda.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, but I mean we know what Diego is.

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Speaker 1: You know what Diego is is right. And so if

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Speaker 1: you come out and say, hey, I'm not going with that,

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Speaker 1: you're theoretically based on the rules that have been laid

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Speaker 1: out to us. No one's been more Republican for fifty

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Speaker 1: plus years than you. But if you say, if you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy's just blatant unethical behavior and thumbing his nose

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Speaker 1: that everyone is too much for me. I'm out on this, dude,

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Speaker 1: then you're not a Republican and good standing by the.

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Speaker 4: You're right, I'm considered independent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that ridiculous that that's your party, Jim.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know this brush up in Carmel probably

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Speaker 4: will create some primaries. Yeah, in the Republican Party primary fights.

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Speaker 4: In these council seats.

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Speaker 1: We can get our bow bye badges. We'll go wear

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Speaker 1: them together, go to the events. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 5: You are not in good standing when you say things

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Speaker 5: like that.

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Speaker 1: And somebody, oh, oh, I'm sure you won't care. It

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Speaker 1: was Shelton. David Shelton told me the other day he's

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Speaker 1: like this doesn't even affect you. You're not a priest

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Speaker 1: and committement or an office.

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Speaker 4: Holder, Like what are you going to be a delegate?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like I don't. I would give you people three cents

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Speaker 1: of my life dependent on it, Like, get out of here.

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Speaker 4: We need good thinking, we need logical thinking Republicans to

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Speaker 4: come to the four uh reasonable.

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Speaker 1: Find him on Twitter at Jim Underline Merits and on

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Speaker 1: the Mary of the Morning podcast YouTube, as well as Facebook.

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Speaker 1: A Republican, a good standing, a man of good standing

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Speaker 1: in all.

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Speaker 4: Of our hearts.

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Speaker 3: Yes for now, thank you, Jim. It is Kendelly Casey

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Speaker 3: on ninety three w IBC Casey.

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Speaker 1: Something happened during our break and we have to stop

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Speaker 1: everything we were doing on this show and we have

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Speaker 1: to get some sort of therapy with this movie. You're

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Speaker 1: still here, nor no, you're still here like you're still

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Speaker 1: on the program with us. That's the voice of Jim Merritt,

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Speaker 1: because you of information for us. I have to introduce you.

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Speaker 1: We're moving soon. Every week they tell us that we'll

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Speaker 1: be moving soon, but for now, we're still here.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about the studios moving.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm never leaving. They're going to drag

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Speaker 1: me out here in handcuffs. But you said something that

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Speaker 1: blew my mind during the break because I had you

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Speaker 1: are people are like, why is Jim Merritt back again?

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Speaker 1: This was totally impromptu. I had no idea this is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. But I said, our public has to

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Speaker 1: know about this. This is life altering because now I

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Speaker 1: may now I may get it on this.

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Speaker 5: Right, You're like, Casey, get out of the way. I'm in.

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Speaker 1: So you so you are on this board that's going

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Speaker 1: to pick the new i u r C commissioners.

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Speaker 4: I am the I am the the Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 4: and the prison of the Senate, and the and the

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Speaker 4: minority leaders all have uh selections, uh nominations for the

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Speaker 4: nominating It's called the nominating Committee, the Indiana Utility Regulatory

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Speaker 4: Nominating Committee.

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Speaker 1: These are the people that decide the utility rates in

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Speaker 1: the art. Yes that we're that, yes, yes, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they they.

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Speaker 4: They decide every thing utility everything, right, environment everything, this

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Speaker 4: stay in.

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Speaker 1: You got this commission has to approve all the rate increases.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 1: So this is a huge deal now because it's an

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Speaker 1: enormous responsibility, right, and you're on this committee that's going

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Speaker 1: to make recommendations.

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Speaker 4: To the governor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, of who these people should be?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And you got is it three people? You got to pick?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Right?

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Speaker 4: Okyes? And so the chairman is leaving in December.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Last time you were here, we had said Casey

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Speaker 1: should totally apply for this position. We went through the qualifications,

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Speaker 1: we read the qasionary the application. I thought this was

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Speaker 1: some like being on your town planning commission, where it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars a meeting and then you just casually

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Speaker 1: und your way. You were leaving the studio because I

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Speaker 1: asked he said, hey, have you applied?

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Speaker 5: Have you done that yet?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't want to work that

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Speaker 3: hard for no money. And you were like, oh no,

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Speaker 3: they get paid.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, like one hundred dollars a meeting,

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Speaker 1: because in my mind people would be in it for

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Speaker 1: the decency of the service. And you're like, oh no, no, son,

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Speaker 1: sit down.

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Speaker 4: These people can say that.

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Speaker 1: These people get six figures. I was like, you like,

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Speaker 1: is like, I know, you've got your faculties together. You're

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Speaker 1: in very good shape for your age. I was like,

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Speaker 1: but I wonder if Jim's losing it and then we

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Speaker 1: looked up the salary and according to the Google search,

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Speaker 1: it lists the salary as one hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 1: six hundred and sixty four dollars, which does seem to

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Speaker 1: be in line with the with the I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: do this on the fly here, but the other reporting

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Speaker 1: had these salaries in the one hundred and thirty five from

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. These people are making bank on.

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Speaker 4: This I U r C. And it's an enormous job

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Speaker 4: because obviously think at the utility rates are so very important,

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Speaker 4: and we've seen that and politics and public policy, everything

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Speaker 4: has evolved into energy. You see it from the governor

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Speaker 4: on down. You see the president with nuclear power. You

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Speaker 4: see energy is the number one issue of our time

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Speaker 4: now and not just keeping lights on but powering everything

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Speaker 4: that is going forward that have enormous, enormous How much

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Speaker 4: time is involved in this, it's it's a it's I

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Speaker 4: think I could.

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Speaker 1: Do this show and then go do the eye. You

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Speaker 1: are no, you couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it's I looked at it as

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Speaker 4: I've always looked at as a twenty four to seven job.

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Speaker 4: You you work Monday through Friday and sometimes over the

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Speaker 4: weekend because you have these are responsible uh uh, these

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Speaker 4: enormous responsibilities. And uh, there's an incredible amount of reading

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Speaker 4: you have to.

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Speaker 1: Be people are just rubber standing read increases. What have

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Speaker 1: they been doing the pass right?

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Speaker 3: I mean there was a report that came out that

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Speaker 3: just said that the clean energy growth in Indiana has

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Speaker 3: been really slow. So they're talking about solar and wind,

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Speaker 3: so utility rates.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's like he said.

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Speaker 1: What would you what would you ask me? Like, what's

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Speaker 1: a question? Like you're going to interview me, Like what

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Speaker 1: would you ask.

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Speaker 4: With Abdul's friend John Schmidt's is going to apply it?

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Speaker 4: And and so that's my competition.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Casey, I'm in on this now for you push

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Speaker 1: the way. But I would film the interview. Is that public?

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Speaker 1: It's all public, So if I went, we could film

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Speaker 1: me being interviewed.

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Speaker 4: By the ideas, this will be transparent. You're able to

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Speaker 4: see everything.

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Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily get an interview just because I

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Speaker 1: submit an application. Well that's correct, yes, so i'd have

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Speaker 1: your support for an interview. Of course, I'm asking right

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Speaker 1: now for your support right publicly, y, interview for.

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Speaker 5: An interview, not a recommendation for the jobs.

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Speaker 3: Now, at the end of the day, Rob, it is

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Speaker 3: the governor, Mike Brawn who will appoint these peoples. So

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Speaker 3: regardless of what Jim Merritt says, he could sing your

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Speaker 3: praises all day long, the governor could still turn around

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Speaker 3: and say, oh, no your number one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of the pain we can inflict in

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Speaker 1: that process. Okay, so what would you ask me, like,

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Speaker 1: what's a question?

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing that I believe in the future is

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Speaker 4: what you think five years from now, is our utility

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Speaker 4: is going to be the sole source of energy? Are

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Speaker 4: we going to deregulate it so that an entity could

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Speaker 4: come into the state and bring their own power, for instance,

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Speaker 4: a gas plant or a micro nuclear plant and develop

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Speaker 4: and you know, really, if you're going to have a

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Speaker 4: data center, you're going to have to figure out a

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Speaker 4: way that you're going to have to work with communities.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is your title? Do I say, mister committeemen?

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Speaker 1: Is that how I would address you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yes, I don't know. I don't pay a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of attention to titles anymore. Well, I'm very professional

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Speaker 4: now that I know one hundred.

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Speaker 1: And fifty eight K is on the line on the

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Speaker 1: line right, mister committeemen. My primary focus, as should be

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Speaker 1: anyone who serves on this board, should be the affordability

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Speaker 1: of living. We are literally pricing people out of the

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Speaker 1: affordability of living, and the onus is on the General

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Speaker 1: Assembly to not approve product projects through their quasi shadow

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Speaker 1: government entity giving away dreds of millions of our tax

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Speaker 1: dollars that drain the resources. My mister committee man, I

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Speaker 1: have not finished my answer. Did I get the job?

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Speaker 4: And sure? What do you think about the reliability issue?

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Speaker 4: Because there are places in the geist area that if

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Speaker 4: the wind blows, power goes out. And so what do

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Speaker 4: you think, sir, about the reliability of power of your lights? California? Sir,

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Speaker 4: California has brownouts? Are you ready for Indiana to have brownout?

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Speaker 1: Look, mister committeeman. I think coal works, and I think

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Speaker 1: we've proven coal works, and I'm not gonna let our

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Speaker 1: power sources be beholden to a bunch of hippie tree

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Speaker 1: hugger people. So, mister committee man, I'm all in on coal.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't like that, can I have this

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Speaker 1: job here?

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Speaker 5: No wait, mister committing man, I have a question for you.

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Speaker 4: I'd say ask the governor.

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Speaker 5: Do you think we need to explore nuclear more?

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Speaker 1: Mike, Yeah I do. This was passing, so you have

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Speaker 1: to apply for this now Casey we.

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Speaker 5: We know his sweet spot. Yeah you know, we know.

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Speaker 4: You made one hundred and fifty eight k's after your

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Speaker 4: sweet Jim Merritt.

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Speaker 1: This was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you,