1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Live from the Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Tony Cats today. 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: We're back on Tony Katz today. I am My Coolidge 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: in for Tony Cats. All eyes are on the great 5 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: State of Indiana today as the Senates in Indiana decides 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: on whether they're going to redraw the maps of Indiana 7 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: of the congressional maps to give Republicans two seats plus 8 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: two next year in the midterms of the United States 9 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: of America's congressional districts for congressional races next year, we've 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: got US Senate race is going on throughout the country, 11 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: but every or a third of them, right, because every 12 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: two years there's a new group of Senators who are 13 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: up for reelection in their six year terms, but in 14 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: the US House of Representatives, those are two year terms. 15 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: So it's every. 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: Single cycle, every two years, the Republicans or the Democrats 17 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: will come out on top of leading the House of Representatives. 18 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: And whoever is in charge of the House of Representatives, 19 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: whichever party. 20 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 3: Is in charge, how's a lot of power. 21 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: And it's not just a matter of you know, being 22 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: the Speaker of the House and you get this extra 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: cool office in the actual Capitol Building and you get 24 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: to be chairman of committees and stuff. You, if you're 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: of the opposing party of the president at the time, 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: can stop legislation from getting through because you know, us 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: gen Xers, us jen Xers know how bills are passed 28 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. Because we grew up on schoolhouse 29 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: rocks and got the whole I'm just a bill thing. 30 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 2: But apparently they stop teaching civics to kids of millennials 31 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: and gen zers a lot. You know, the smart ones 32 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: know how it's done. But you'd be shocked and surprised 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: how many people graduate from high school and don't know that. 34 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: The president or a governor or a senator can't just 35 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, write something down on a piece of paper 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: and voila, it's passed. If the opposing party is in 37 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: control of either of the houses, you can stop things 38 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: in their tracks. The Senate has the filibuster as of 39 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: right now anyway, where you can even have fifty nine 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: Republican Senators vote for something and it will not go 41 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: through because the Democrats can always stop any legislation from 42 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: going through if they don't agree with it, because they 43 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: can start filibustering it, and you need sixty senators to 44 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: stop a filibuster. Philibuster just stop something in its tracks. 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: But if something doesn't get out of the House at all, 46 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: bad legislation or good legislation, it's not going to become law. 47 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: You can do any executive order, of course, but the 48 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: next president can always undo that. If you want to 49 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: pass something law, you know, something that will last and 50 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: has to be passed by another law to undo it 51 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: in years, you know, years into the future. You got 52 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: to get it through the House and the Senate. And 53 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: then they go back and they you know, if there's 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: changes to the way the law was written in one 55 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: House versus the other one, they reconcile it and they 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: deliver to the President for signature, and then it's done, 57 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: and it can it's not really the end end because 58 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: the systems and checks and palaces we have here in 59 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: the great Republic called the United States of America, there's 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: another branch of government that can stop it, that can say, nope, 61 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: this law, even though the President signed it, even though 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: the House in the Senate said it's good to go, Nope, 63 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: it's not kosher. It is not good to go. It's out. 64 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what branch. That is, yes, the judicial branch, 65 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. They can deem something unconstitutional and out 66 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: it goes. No branch should have more power than the 67 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: other branch. That's the whole system of checks and balances, 68 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: again brilliantly set up by our founding fathers. Now, every 69 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: two years, especially after a presidential election of a new president, 70 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: which is what we just had with President Trump being 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: a Republican, history says the Democrats should win more seats 72 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: than Republicans do, or at least. 73 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: They should gain seats. 74 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: In these midterms coming up and the House of Representatives 75 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: being so close to twenty to two seventeen, give or 76 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: take a thing, the Republicans are in charge if just 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: three seats two or three again, give or take one, 78 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: somebody dying, there's four hundred and thirty five seats, so 79 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: one or two seats does make a difference. Somebody retires early, 80 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: or you know, there's a special election, two or three 81 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: seats makes a huge difference. So Indiana today, if they 82 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: decide to redraw the maps to give Indiana an additional 83 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: two Republican heavy districts that votes well for Republicans, maintaining 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: control of the entire House of Representatives next year, the 85 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: Trump agenda, which the American people voted for in twenty 86 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: twenty four, just barely over a year ago, will go 87 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: forward and continue unabated only by Republicans in name only 88 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: or Senators who want to filibuster something. If the philibuster 89 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: still exists next term, if the Democrats somehow maintain or 90 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: not maintain control, but gain control of the House of Representatives, would. 91 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: Be really really bad. 92 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: It would be. 93 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: Really difficult to get things done. The American agenda that 94 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: again we all just voted for, would have a major, 95 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: major stumbling bock. And then, of course the Democrats, being Democrats, 96 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: they have no plan, they have no ideas, they have 97 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: no policy things. All they are going to do is 98 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: investigate Trump, try to impeach him again for the third time, 99 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: try to impeach cabinet secretaries. It will be absolute heck 100 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. If the Democrats take control of 101 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: just one of the branches, the odds are that the 102 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: Republicans are going to maintain control of the Senate. That's 103 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: probably going to be the case, which is really really good. 104 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: But if the Democrats take control of the House, you 105 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: will be affected by it. Whether you live in Illinois, 106 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: in a blue state, whether you live in Indiana, a 107 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: red state, whether you live in Utah, Texas, Maine, you 108 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: will be affected nationally. So in Indiana today as we speak, apparently, 109 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: and we do have an update. It's not a vote 110 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: or anything, but I'm reading here from somebody on X 111 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: that the session convened in Yeah, it convened almost an 112 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: hour ago the Indiana Senate. Each of the fifty senators 113 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: get a maximum of thirty minutes to speak, and they 114 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 2: are speaking right now. The vote time is going to 115 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: continue and could come not anywhere near the next hour 116 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: or so. It could come closer to like six pm tonight, 117 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: he's predicting. This guy on X is saying that it 118 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: could happen as early as six pm tonight or later tonight. 119 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: So don't expect a vote in the Indiana Senate to 120 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: occur by the time this show was over. We only 121 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: have forty five minutes left in this broadcast today, so 122 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: that's not going to you're not we're not going to 123 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: break news today. On tomorrow's show, we will have a 124 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: whole lot to talk about because we'll decide, well, we'll 125 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: have figured out whether or not these Senators voted to. 126 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: Have the new map. 127 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: Heavy Republican or heavy heavy Democrat. Here's what will happen 128 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: in Illinois if the Democrat if Indiana passes a map 129 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: that favors Republicans and gains two seats. Jamie Pritzker said 130 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: he's going to redraw the map in Illinois. Now, I 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: I know a whole lot about the map in Illinois 132 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: because I ran in it two cycles ago, and I'm 133 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: very aware of how the map is drawn. It is 134 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: next to impossible for Illinois to redraw the maps to 135 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 2: make it sixteen to one Democrats Republican. Okay, that you 136 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: can throw out the window. I have seen redraws of 137 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: the map that make it so that it's fifteen Democrats 138 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: and two Republicans. Here's why I don't think that's going 139 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: to happen though, And again, this is if Indiana makes 140 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: it so that they're plus two. 141 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: The only. 142 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: If that happens, Illinois will redraw their maps. According to JB. Pritzker, 143 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: or that he says he's going to support it. But 144 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: here's why I don't think it's going to happen. One, 145 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: it's only going to cancel out in the best case scenario. 146 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: For Democrats in Illinois one of those seats that indianagists added, 147 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: so just one, and it's going to come at the 148 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: expense of much safer seats for the current Democrats in 149 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: the congressional delegation of Illinois. Those Democrats, and there's about 150 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: five seats in particular that are We talked earlier about 151 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: what D plus five means and D plus eight and 152 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: D plus two means. If a if a seat is 153 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: D plus five, it means the Democrat will likely win 154 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: that seat total by ten points. Okay, the D plus 155 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: five is over fifty percent. There's over fifty percent each 156 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: percentage there's five percentage points higher than fifty if you're 157 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: in a D plus five district. Okay, So in Illinois, 158 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: there's a bunch of seats that are you know, there's 159 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: only one that's D plus two. There's one that's D 160 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: plus four D plus five. There's one that's DE plus three, 161 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: and there's one that's D plus eight I think though, 162 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: and then the other one. The other ones are like 163 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: D plus twenty five deplus There's no way they will 164 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: ever ever be a Republican in those seats that are 165 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: drawing DEEP plus twenty deeplus twenty five because that's like 166 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: the Democrat winning by forty points. Okay, so they're deep 167 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: as blue as you can be. Those Democrats in Illinois 168 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: that are in the seats that are single digit or deplus, 169 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: they don't want their number to go down to like 170 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: deeplus one, because that's what it's going to take if 171 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: Illinois redraws all of their maps and it becomes a 172 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: fifteen to two state. They love power. There's nothing and 173 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: I mean nothing on God's green Earth and really in 174 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: the universe. Democrats love more than power. They're not going 175 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: to weaken their power by voting for a fifteen to 176 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: two map in Illinois, mark my words. And this Senate 177 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: president and the House of Representatives head in Illinois, my state, 178 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: has shown no inkling that they're going to vote to 179 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: re do the maps. Pritzker, the blowhard that he is, 180 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: doesn't have the power he thinks he does. And trust me, 181 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: even a blowhard like Pritzker cannot give any favor to 182 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: any Republican or I'm sorry, any Democrat congressional, any Democrat 183 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: congressman right now in Illinois that is going to want 184 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: to give up their power. It's going to want their 185 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: seat to go from a D plus four to a 186 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: D plus one, which is what is going to happen 187 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: to some of those seats if they redraw him. So 188 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: the whole point of that is Indiana voters, Hoosiers, if 189 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: you vote today to redraw the maps, it's going to 190 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: be the nationwide are plus two. It's not you don't. 191 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: And again this is my educated guests here, but trust 192 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: me on it. And again I'm going from someone who's 193 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: lived for twenty five years in Illinois. I followed politics 194 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: pretty closely there, talked about it on the air for 195 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: fifteen years. I know a whole lot of Republicans and Conservatives. 196 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: I also know a handful of Democrats. I know how 197 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: they operate. They will not do anything that hurts their 198 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: power in Illinois. So it's going to remain a fourteen 199 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: to three split in Illinois regardless of what Indiana does today. So, 200 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: Indiana Senators, those of you who are not showing up 201 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: or who are possibly not going to vote, and I'm 202 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: reading some namesere from a post from Donald Trump, President 203 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: of the United States yesterday, Actually the following senators need 204 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: some encouragement to make the right to say. In fact, 205 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: the quote from President Trump is this The Indiana Senate 206 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: must now pass this map as is and get Governor 207 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: Mike Brown's get it to Governor Mike Brun's desk asap 208 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: to deliver a gigantic victory to Republicans in the Hoosier 209 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: State and across the country. That's the key. Across the country. 210 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: I am hearing that these nine senators, some of whom 211 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: are up for reelection in twenty twenty six and some 212 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight, need encouragement to make the right decision. 213 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: Forgive me if I butcher some of the pronunciations of 214 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: these names, because I don't know these state senators, apologize 215 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: I don't cover Indiana state politics. But Blake Doriet, Brett Clark, 216 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: Brian Buchanan, Dan dernalk Ed Charboneau, Greg Good, Jim Buck, 217 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: Rick Naymeyer, and Ryan Mischler. Those are the senators that 218 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: apparently we don't know whether or not they're going to 219 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: vote for these this new map that gives Republicans two 220 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: plus seats. We don't know yet. But if one of 221 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: these senators is yours, I highly encourage you to give 222 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: them a call and encourage them to vote yes on 223 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: this because we all know now too that they if 224 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: there's any reason why they're not going to vote for this, 225 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: they're going to lose their seats the next time. At 226 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: turning point, USA and the two Trump sons, both of 227 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: them have said no uncertain terms. They're going to put millions. 228 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: They're going to treat these Senate districts like congressional districts 229 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: or US Senate districts. 230 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: For that matter. 231 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we have a US Senate race in Illinois 232 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: where one of the Democrats has already raised like twenty 233 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: five million dollars and then they've been able to have 234 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: the primary, yet he's already got twenty five million dollars 235 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: in the bank. I'm not saying that they're going to 236 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: be a twenty five million dollar Illinois state Senate seat race, 237 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: but probably going to go up boards of a million 238 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: at least. And that's going to mean that Republicans who 239 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: vote against this will likely not be sitting state senators 240 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: in the elections after twenty twenty six and twenty twenty 241 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: whenever they're up for re election. 242 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: Again. 243 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: I imploor again, I'm not an It rubs me the wrong 244 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: way when people from other countries tell Americans what to 245 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: do and what to vote. And I'm not a Hoosier, 246 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: so take this for what it's worth. I'm an Illinois 247 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: and proud of Illinois. But if you can so much 248 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: as find it in your heart for the rest of 249 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: the country to please impoor senators in Indiana to vote 250 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: yes on this bill today, right now as we speak, 251 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: you'd be doing a great thing for the United States 252 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: of America. We will be right back on Tony Katz today. 253 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: I am Mike Coolidge in for Tony. 254 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: Stay with us. 255 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: We're back on Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge 256 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: in for Tony Katz. We are live on this crucial 257 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: day not just for Indiana but for the United States 258 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: of America. And we're reporting here, I'm reading reporting here 259 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: that all Indiana state Senators are now present in the 260 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: state Capitol and voting on the redistricting bill, or they're 261 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: there to vote on it. We're in the middle of 262 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: speeches right now as I understand it, and there has 263 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: not been an official vote yet. When we do the 264 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: show tomorrow, which we're doing tomorrow, yeah, we have. I mean, 265 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: the show is going to happen regardless, Like you know, 266 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: even if I'm not here, someone else will fill in, 267 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure, but as if the schedule is out right now, 268 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: yours truly will be filling in for Tony Katz today tomorrow, 269 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: and we will almost certainly have a final vote on 270 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: whether or not Indiana is going to do the right thing, 271 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: particularly the senators of the Republican side, because if every 272 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: Republican senator I understand it, votes for this, it's going 273 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: to pass, and it's going to be signed by Governor Brown. 274 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: And Indiana will have a plus two to add to 275 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: Ohio's plus two, to add to North Carolina's plus one, 276 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: to add to Missouri's plus one, to add to Texas's 277 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: plus five, and Kansas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia could add 278 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: another two, three, four, five, five, and then Florida could 279 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: ad another five. 280 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: That'd be ten. 281 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: And then you subtract six like that eight from the Democrats. Yeah, 282 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: Utah plus one, California plus five, Virginia is pending to 283 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: pending gain a plus two. But let's make Indiana not tending. 284 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: Let's make it red. Let's do what the states of 285 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: Maine and New Hampshire and all these other states like 286 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: Vermont and Hawaii and Delaware, New Mexico and Connecticut and Massachusetts, 287 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: all of whom years ago drew it so that no 288 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: Republican could get elected in there states. Even though forty 289 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: eight percent of some of those states are Republican, they 290 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: have zero representation. Let's do that for Indiana. What's good 291 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: for the goose is good for the gander. This is 292 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: Tony Cats today. I am coolid jem for Tony. We'll 293 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: be right back. We're back on Tony Katz today. I 294 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: am Mike Coolidge in for Tony Katz. Tony. We'll be 295 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: back on Monday. I will be back tomorrow. Coolidge is 296 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: spelled with a K, just like Cats ko Ldge. You 297 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: can find me on X and Our next guest is 298 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: a political science professor at Kentucky State University. He's the 299 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: author of Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me and Hate 300 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: Crime Hoax, and I believe a number of other books. 301 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: Doctor Wilford Riley, welcome back onto the radio and welcome 302 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: on to Tony Cass today. 303 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, glad to be back on. Good to be talking 304 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: to you. 305 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: Yes, so we have a lot to get to. We 306 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: wanted to take a break a little bit from the 307 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: Indiana redistricting talk that we've been talking about for most 308 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: of the show. Listeners have no fear. If there is 309 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: news about a vote that happens during this segment, we 310 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: will break in and give it to you. But as 311 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: of right now, the senators are speaking, no one is voting, 312 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: and there likely won't be a vote until later this evening, 313 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: So tomorrow show we'll get into that in depth. But 314 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: right now, taking a break from that, doctor Wilford Riley, 315 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: I wanted to have you on to talk and we 316 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: will talk about this scandal of epic proportions in Minnesota, 317 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: with these Somali refugees and these terrible government programs they 318 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: have up there, and the just complete crazy things that 319 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: they're doing under Tim Walls's watch. But I gotta say 320 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: you yesterday were name checked by none other than Elon 321 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: Musk on your lies. My liberal teacher told me, book 322 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: have you been name checked by Elon Musk before? 323 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: On X? 324 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? I have a few times. 325 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: Elon Musk follows me on X, like he apparently followed 326 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: people that were on some list of innovative thinkers on 327 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 4: the right at one point, and I was pleased to 328 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: be one of those people. But yeah, Elon Musk follows 329 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 4: me on Twitter. Jd Vance follows me on Twitter. So 330 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: one of the great things about X and even to 331 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 4: a lesser extent if Facebook, Instagram, those kind of platforms 332 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 4: is that you can encounter people from all. 333 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: Across the spectrum. Like I've argued with Lebron James. 334 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 4: About whether he's we're going to be as prominent as 335 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan's. I posted like, I posted something he I mean, 336 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: he's a guy from the Midwest and he set some 337 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 4: kind of scoring awards. So I shouted out the second 338 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: greatest Midwestern basketball player of all time and he responded. 339 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: It was like, what the heck are you talking about? 340 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: Second greatest? 341 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 4: I mean, that is one of the things that is 342 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 4: fascinating about social media. But yeah, in this case, Elon 343 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 4: did respond. He shouted out the book. He said he'd 344 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 4: read and liked the book, which I was I was 345 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: very complimented by. So kudos to big Elon. 346 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you listening to this right now should get 347 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: it too, guys. My liberal teacher told me it's been 348 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: out for a while, but really really great book, and 349 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: he was referencing a segment you did with John Stossel 350 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: about slavery. And by the way, you can follow will 351 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: Ford Riley on exit will Underscore Duh Underscore Beast six 352 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: thirty will the Beast. But just so sure, Wilfred Riley, 353 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: you will find him. And but you were pointing out, 354 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: how so much of the narrative, particularly over the last 355 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: three or four years that's being taught in schools about 356 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: slavery in the United States, particularly with the sixteen nineteen project, 357 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: is complete bunk. 358 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: It's completely made up. 359 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not someone made up, although I wouldn't disagree 360 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 4: with that analysis, but it's very, very selective. So, like 361 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 4: the great Tom Soul Triple Og, Tom Soul at one 362 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 4: point said, when the average white person or upper middle 363 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 4: class black person thinks about slavery, they think about one 364 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 4: really narrow range of time, which is like the oppression 365 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 4: of battle captives of West African descent by whites in 366 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: the USA and Europe, and maybe if they had a 367 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: very edgy teacher, also by black slave owners in the 368 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: USA and Europe. And that's a really tiny piece of 369 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: the picture when it comes to global slavery. So in 370 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: the book lies, my liberal teacher told me, and specifically 371 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: the first chapters on slavery, and I tried to go 372 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: even more in depth than sold it. It's like a 373 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 4: forty page chapter. But I talk about how slavery is 374 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 4: one of the oldest human institutions. And I'm actually a 375 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 4: research academic. I teach the State University. I don't really 376 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: think I break any new ground, but I go back 377 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: to like Samaria. You know the Bible, the Israelites very 378 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 4: famously were slaves. 379 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: In the Bible. 380 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: You have the Babylonian captivity, of the Paronic captivity, the 381 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 4: things you learn about in church that actually occurred. Slave 382 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 4: is one of the first ten or twelve human words, 383 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: and the origins they are actually kind of interesting. Like 384 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: the word for slave is basically the word for enemy warrior, 385 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 4: with a few slight changes made. So when the Samearians, 386 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: you know, they who wrote on clay, started a recording 387 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: thing like how many pigs, how many cattle so on 388 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 4: the king had, they also recorded how many slave girls 389 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: and how many slave. 390 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: Men he had. 391 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: And the term they used was like people from like 392 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: the hills, from the mountains, with the addition of something 393 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: that looked pretty much like a modern shackle on them. 394 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 4: It meant people that they'd captured in war. So you see, 395 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 4: like the genesis there like a slave was a defeated enemy, 396 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 4: and that went on throughout all time, like the Romans, the. 397 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: Gladiators were all slaves. 398 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: You go through the Arabic slave trade seventeen million taken 399 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 4: out of Africa and by the way Europe that was 400 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: called the Barbary's slave trade, and you finally get to like, 401 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: I would never say something like our little slave trade, 402 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: but you had the sale of slaves by whites when 403 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 4: whites were the developed power in the world, which is 404 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: after fourteen ninety two, and at the end of that 405 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 4: time you had the dominant powers in the world who 406 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 4: were mostly white. You also had the Turks, you had 407 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 4: the Chinese. On there was a decision to end the 408 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: institution of slavery in the eighteen hundreds and the British 409 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 4: or Navy, aided by the USA, actually patrolled the ocean, 410 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: so they were sinking slave ships. There was a very 411 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: heroic role played by by the western mostly white world, 412 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 4: and so there's a real story of slavery there. Like 413 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: throughout history, this institution existed. This is what you did 414 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: with captured enemies. Like if the battle was over and 415 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 4: you'd lost, and you saw like the other guys riding 416 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 4: towards you on horses. You knew you were getting on 417 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 4: that boat. And finally we said, well, no, you can't 418 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 4: do this. Just the fact someone's been defeated. You know, 419 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 4: you can beat them a little bit, you can ransom 420 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 4: them back, but you can't. You just can't make them work. 421 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: For eighty years, and you began to see an abolitionist movement, 422 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 4: and that progressed into the full throated banning of slavery. 423 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: We banned the slave trade in the USA in eighteen 424 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 4: oh eight, but unfortunately, by that point there are already 425 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: plenty of slaves here and so that became a major 426 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: quote unquote house divided issue in the country. 427 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: And I do my best to talk about all of this. 428 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and obviously we I mean, literal books and encyclopedias 429 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: have been written about the Civil War and the issue 430 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: of slavery in the United States, which ended after the 431 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: Civil War. You know what country it didn't end in? 432 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: You know where there are modern versions of slavery clibe 433 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: the forced labor and forced ridge, human trafficking, child human trafficking, 434 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: child labor, forced recruitment into arms groups. As we speak 435 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, that is still occurring in countries 436 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: like Somalia, and Somalia has sent many refugees to the 437 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: United States since the early nineteen nineties. And fast forward 438 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: to this century, and there's this huge scandal about these 439 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: government programs, and namely I'm reading from some of them here, 440 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: Feeding our Future, a Child Nutrition Adult a federal child 441 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: and adult care program for reimbursing meals to low income 442 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: kids during COVID estimated to loss between two hundred and 443 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: fifty and three hundred million dollars. These nonprofits posed as 444 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: meal sites and they submitted fake invoices for millions of 445 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: meals that were never served. There was a house housing 446 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: stabilization service, again, fake companies build for unprovided counseling, case management, 447 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: et cetera, to the tune of one hundred million dollars, 448 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: Autism and behavioral health services to the tune you know again, 449 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: fake stuff, ghost appointments, exaggerated hours, two hundred plus million dollars, 450 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: and some other broader welfare and pandemic relief funds. Just 451 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: those four hundred million dollars, we're talking about a grand 452 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: total of one thousand million dollars, also known as one 453 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: billion dollars in stolen taxpayer money in Minnesota. What the 454 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: heck is going on there? 455 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: Will Yeah, so this this Somali scandal, and it's a 456 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: ninety nine percent Somali scandal. I mean, there are a 457 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: couple of Caucasian girlfriends of guys and so on that 458 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: we're involved. But I mean, this is this is pretty crazy. 459 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 4: This is one of the This is a Tammany Hall 460 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: level political scandal. I think a lot of people are 461 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 4: reluctant to touch because of the racial elements. But it's 462 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: really not that complicated. It root and a lot of 463 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 4: political corruption. If you look at the old Black and 464 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: Irish political corruption in Chicago, it really really ain't that complicated. 465 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 4: What happened here was that Somali's in Minneapolis set up 466 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: these charities, and a lot of them in the beginning 467 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 4: were intended to do good, to treat and help a 468 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 4: refugee population. By the way, refugee population is a little questionable. 469 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: I mean when people say they're refugees or asylum seekers 470 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: from wars in places like Somalia or Afghanistan, there's really 471 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 4: no way to vet which side of the war people 472 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 4: even fought on. 473 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: These aren't countries. 474 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 4: That have laminated IDs with fingerprints. 475 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: In them and so on. 476 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 4: You know, people are standing over a nineteen sixties style 477 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: paper passport with a distinctive Somali, You're Afghan looking faced 478 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: on it? 479 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: Is it you? Is it your cousin? Nobody really knows. 480 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: And I mean, so this is how you get asylum 481 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: seekers who look like eading men in their twenties, who 482 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: have battle scars, who say their fifteen year old school 483 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 4: children and up going to high school in Britain. So 484 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I think from a purely a moral perspective, 485 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: like not letting in male warrior age asylum seekers from 486 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: any of these places would be a good obvious move 487 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: that might apply to Ukraine, but it would certainly apply 488 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 4: to Somalia, Afghanistan. 489 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: I was going to say, yeah, I mean I have 490 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: friends who were in Afghanistan who were like, yeah, there 491 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: were some really really great Afghans who assisted the US 492 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: military and doing their job, but like you always had 493 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: to watch your back and look over your shoulder, and 494 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: you know, some of these guys did switch sides and 495 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: could easily switch sides in a heartbeat depending on who's 496 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: paying them. Not the you know, ideal sort of person 497 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: that you think you know, there's the type people that 498 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: should be rebuilding their country, staying in Afghanistan and rebuilding 499 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: their country. Not necessarily people were welcoming into the United 500 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: States just because they want to come here. Like most 501 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: immigrants who come to the United States, you have to 502 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: go through a very you know, specific process. You have 503 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: to show that you are educated and that you have 504 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: some skills, and that you are not a criminal or 505 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: you have you know, have any sort of record of 506 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: hurting human beings. And in getting back to the Somalia situation, 507 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: in a place like that, you said, there's no record 508 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: keeping stuff. We're just taking their word that some of 509 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: these people are not criminals. 510 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's correct, and I am going to 511 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 4: get into what specifically the charities do, but yeah, a 512 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: good comparison to Afghanistan might be like the more powerful 513 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: Native American Indian tribes that fought with the white settlers 514 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 4: when we were moving west, where in some years the 515 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 4: tribe would fight with you, in some years they would 516 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 4: fight against you, and they were like brave, honorable men. 517 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 4: People love their Indian allies, their books are about them, 518 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 4: but they were also capable of some pretty striking tortures. 519 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: It took them centuries to adapt to kind of the 520 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: Western way. 521 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: Of life that was coming in. 522 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 4: A very high percentage of people were illiterate this kind 523 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 4: of thing. So yeah, I mean when when the five 524 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: civilized tribes and all that settled down first in North 525 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: Carolina then in Oklahoma, they became great contributing Americans. 526 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: But that took a long time. 527 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: And that's going to be the same thing when as 528 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 4: Afghanistan developed as a country. If you just take young 529 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: fighting men from Afghanistan now and move them to like 530 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: Riley Durham, yeah, you're going to have all kinds of issues. 531 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: But anyway, the charities, in many charities, let's get to 532 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 4: that start. Yeah, No, it was my fultaminating, but they 533 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: were just set up as charities. What they really just 534 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 4: started doing was lying. There were a group of doctors 535 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: that would diagnose your kid with autism. And Somali parents 536 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 4: became aware of this, and it was again ninety nine 537 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 4: percent Somali's so they would just go in, they'd give 538 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 4: the guy some box sheets and they would say, hey, 539 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 4: diagnose my kid with autism. And the reason for this 540 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 4: is that there's a Minnesota program that's a very high 541 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 4: trust society. 542 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: That's the big swedes up there. 543 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: So there's a two thousand dollars payment or whatever if 544 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 4: your kid has autism, they'll just they assume it's slightly 545 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 4: harder to be the housewife or whatnot. And so almost 546 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: all of the Somalis in some neighborhoods were getting this payment. 547 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 4: And Minneapolis city records show that the amount of money 548 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: paid out for autistic children went from three million to 549 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: four hundred and ninety nine million. 550 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: It was three million to four hundred and ninety nine 551 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: million in that's a pretty big increase. 552 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because there are one hundred thousand I believe 553 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: Somali residents of Minneapolis and Rochester, just the cities themselves. 554 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: And again I assume many of the working class Caucasian 555 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: girlfriends by this point and so on. So like every 556 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 4: kid in these these relationships was autistic. It's a twenty 557 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 4: seven percent. Some of these numbers might be off by 558 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 4: a percentage point or two, but not more than that. 559 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: It was a twenty seven percent or something like that 560 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 4: rate of autism, meaning that most boys over a certain 561 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: age threshold were technical autistic. And if you're familiar with 562 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 4: the Shiloh Hendricks case, where there was a scuffle in 563 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 4: a part between this white lady and this smiley guy. 564 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 4: One of the things that was brought up when they 565 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 4: were kind of shouting ugly words at each other was well, 566 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 4: she offended against a kid who was autistic, and it 567 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 4: was kind of one of those like do you know 568 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 4: or do you not know? Things, because if you don't know, 569 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 4: it's sort of like, well, okay, that definitely puts her 570 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 4: over the line. She's in the worst she's the worst 571 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 4: person in the fight. If you do know, you're kind 572 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 4: of like, I don't know. I don't know if that 573 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: changes anything. I mean, aren't all the kids technically in 574 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 4: a kind of Lake Wobegone sense right now? So there's 575 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 4: an element of humor to this. The reality, yeah, I mean, 576 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 4: there's a huge rate, there's an enormous frequency of autism 577 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 4: diagnosis in the city right now because of this. The 578 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 4: other charity, Feeding Our Future, what they were doing was 579 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 4: during COVID they were saying they were serving community meals. 580 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: Remember like masked out. 581 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 5: We're back on Tony Katz today, running out of time. 582 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 5: But Will Riley, Kentucky State University's A's my liberal teacher 583 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 5: told me Will there be come up for this Somali 584 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 5: scandal in Minnesota. 585 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's like the. 586 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: Old line about war crimes, like family do a really 587 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: good job of prosecuting the privates. I think that the 588 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 4: people in charge of the charities are going down. I 589 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 4: think a lot more people knew about this than we 590 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 4: we know. I mean, like ilhan Omar has gone to 591 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 4: dinner with the people who run these charities. 592 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the coincident, you know. Yeah, And 593 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 3: I think I think I think a lot of. 594 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: These guys Jacob Pray knew what was going on. I 595 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 4: don't think anyone like that is going to be charged 596 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 4: with misdemeanors the felonies for associating with these people. 597 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 3: I think people are going to speak prison. 598 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: All right, Tony Kats today, We'll be back tomorrow. 599 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: People