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Speaker 1: You got time right now another hour or so to

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Speaker 1: Pizza Eighteen Central Indiana locations, twenty five statewide Chicago's Pizza

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Speaker 1: But think about it. Traditional cruss pizza, deep dish pizza,

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Speaker 1: You're driving past some janky fast food joint right now,

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Speaker 1: you're going to pay more than that for that. Why

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Speaker 1: they do for the holidays for people throughout Central Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Chicago's Pizza A story in every slice Chicago's Pizza dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now on the Java House, Peel and Poor

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Speaker 1: He is the pride of North Central High School and

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Speaker 1: the North side of Indianapolis. Macingle, who is a Heisman voter. Mac.

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Speaker 1: Is it too late to bribe you? Never?

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Speaker 2: Jake. I want to make this real clear to you,

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Speaker 2: my home state, Central Indiana. It is never too late

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Speaker 2: to bride me fair enough. I want to go back

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Speaker 3: Did you say.

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Speaker 1: Twelve dollars thirteen bucks? Thirteen dollars lunch buffet? Can't beat it, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how you do. They're like, how

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Speaker 1: I know, I mean honestly like that. And how about

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Speaker 2: Ihing hits the economy.

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Speaker 1: I know a Chicago's.

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Speaker 2: I could do the entire segment on that. You want

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Speaker 1: I like that. Nothing wrong with that, right, Chicago's Pizza

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Speaker 1: dot com Mac, they got eighteen locations in Ciorondiana maybe

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Speaker 2: Worth as well possible? How do they do that?

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Speaker 1: I know that's you know what, every dollar that you

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I just like the fact that we can

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Speaker 1: Brother, listen, mac in all honesty. One of the things

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to this. You obviously did not

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Speaker 1: Okay, Baseball Hall of Fame? When you vote for that,

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Speaker 2: I could chick every bucks. Okay? They And you do

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Speaker 1: And when mac let me ask this when they come

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Speaker 2: No, so they've changed it. It used to be the

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Speaker 1: Do you think mac people would just take it down

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Speaker 1: Now, Mac, if you won the Heisman, where would you

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Speaker 2: Like in my house?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I heard the story Kate Winslet wins an oscar, She

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a pretty good conclusion, Jake.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mac, I appreciate it, have a wonderful weekend

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, Jake, thanks a lot. I look

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Speaker 1: us now on the program, Dustin, I'm going to begin

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Speaker 3: like the way things are shaken out, I mean it

433
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 3: is lower. That threshold's a little lower in the East,

434
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 3: right now, maybe that it has been so like maybe

435
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 3: you could pull it off with thirty seven.

436
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: So you're looking at thirty and twenty eight. I mean

437
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: they've got to be a five hundred team from here

438
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 1: on out right, right, Yeah, realistic.

439
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 3: Range maybe, I I mean it might be a little

440
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're probably going to have to

441
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: win some games they're not supposed to win, you know,

442
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 3: like that if you're getting thirty, like you're probably going

443
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: to have to beat some good teams in there, you know,

444
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: and they haven't proven they can beat a really good

445
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: team yet. You know, they they got Golden State, you know,

446
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: which was a bit of a surprise. But I mean

447
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: most of these last uh stretch of wins have been

448
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: against you know, teams that are kind of rough, especially

449
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: you know, like Chicago looks rough lately, you know, and

450
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 3: so like that their recordless, all right, but it's like

451
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: all right, well that's that's that's a lottery teams. So

452
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: you know, like to get to get thirty wins out

453
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 3: of what's left, I mean, you are going to have

454
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: to beat some people, and I guess it's possible. And

455
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: they still have an all star caliber player in Siakam.

456
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 3: You know, they have, you know, a really talented second

457
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: guy at Massa in a scenario where he gets to

458
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: actually let loose and play and doesn't have to you know,

459
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 3: think about fitting into the grand or hole and you know,

460
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 3: Namhart's a good piece and Mconin's a good piece and

461
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 3: eventually get me Smith back and stuff like that, so

462
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: that might be enough. So it's it's it's not likely,

463
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, and but you know, like I would go

464
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: with conceivable, conceivable before I say the word realistic.

465
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Dustin Benedict Madarin so far has

466
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: taken advantage of the opportunity before him.

467
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: I do, I think, And I think we talked about

468
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: this probably the last time that I was on, But

469
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: I like he is in a position where, I mean,

470
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: I think you were going into this thinking, okay, well,

471
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 3: can he prove that he's going to be a fit

472
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: you know when Haliburton gets back and the way this

473
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: is going, like there is no way to you can't

474
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: even pose that question basically, like you you cannot create

475
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: a experiment within the current framework that allows you to

476
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: learn anything about that question. But like you're you're just

477
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 3: looking at him to see if he's growing up. Basically,

478
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: if you're seeing him take another step in his maturity

479
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 3: and his approach and those kinds of things and doing

480
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: what has to be done, you can't recreate what's going

481
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: to have to be done later, you know. I think

482
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: that's that was kind of an interesting thing. I think

483
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: that Chad Micknson at the beginning of this year is that, well,

484
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: he's got to learn how to you know, he's for

485
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: what he does to you know, make sure that it's

486
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: affecting winning. And it's like, well, there's one thing, you know,

487
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: him doing what it takes to win for you guys

488
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: with this group now, you know, and it's a different

489
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: thing for him to do what it takes to win

490
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: with this group when you have Halliburt and everybody else back.

491
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 3: It's two different assignments from mast he's executing the assignment

492
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: as it is now. I mean, I think he's he is,

493
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: you know, improving on defense. You know, you're seeing good

494
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: efficiency on offense. He is you know, he's maintaining that

495
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: the probably a little bit over the top aggressiveness where

496
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: he's sometimes driving into crowds and doing some of the

497
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: things that Brick doesn't always want him to do, but

498
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: at this stage you need him to do that, Like

499
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: you have to have someone who's aggressive in isolation, attacking

500
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: off the dribble and maybe being a little bit wild

501
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: with it right now because there's just not a lot,

502
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: not a lot of guys who can create offense and

503
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: create gravity in that group and some Mathroins just got

504
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: to be able to put his you know, the head down, bullheaded,

505
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: run to the rim type of stuff that sometimes gets

506
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: out of whack, you know, and doesn't really fit in

507
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: what they do with when Halliburton's really kicking the ball around.

508
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: This is the kind of stuff you need now. Like

509
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: someone has to create, someone has to make movement happen,

510
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: and Matthew is doing that.

511
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: I think.

512
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's not at a perfect season, but

513
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean I think he is doing everything he can

514
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: given the framework being what it is. Again, you can't

515
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: recreate the experiment the way you want it to be.

516
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: But he is at least you know, he's clearly putting

517
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: in a good faith effort I think to be as

518
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: good for this team as.

519
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: He can pay.

520
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: It is my belief Dustin that Indiana will put I

521
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: mean that Indiana will take what they can get from

522
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: Ben Matheren this year. Don't get me wrong, but it

523
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: is my belief that they are still seeing it as

524
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: the opportunity also to showcase what he is and who

525
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: he is in case there is a franchise that would

526
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: like to acquire him and that perhaps they could flip him,

527
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: notably for an agile center. Feel free to disagree or

528
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong.

529
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong.

530
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I mean, I don't know what their

531
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: bar is going to be for that, Like I don't.

532
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: I think they recognize that he is valuable, but they

533
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: also recognize that he if he is valuable to someone

534
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: else and he is more If he is more valuable

535
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: to someone else, then they should listen, you know, in

536
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: terms of what they might be able to get for that.

537
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: So this question is, you know, like we're starting to

538
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: see it's fill sort of. I think Sham's reported this

539
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: week that, Okay, they're looking for a center of the future.

540
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: You've seen Daniel Gafford's name, You've seen him because Zubac's name.

541
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to see if you know what what

542
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: they're willing to let matter walk for Like, I think

543
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: they know they have something good there, and I do

544
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 3: I don't think like like, I don't think you're entirely

545
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: off base, but I mean I don't. I also don't

546
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 3: think that they have given up on him either. I mean,

547
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: but it's like I think they are showcasing him, but

548
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 3: they are also you know, they're showcasing him for everybody

549
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: else is showcasing him for themselves. You know, they are

550
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: still trying to figure out, Okay, what what fits here?

551
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: Is he going to be all in terms fit with us?

552
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: And you know, like, but I also I think Rick

553
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: Carlisle is just putting in good faith effort to coaching,

554
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I think that's how Rick, you know,

555
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: processes this stuff. Like I don't think he tries to

556
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: get too deep into the weeds on that and his views,

557
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: like you know what, I'm going to try to make

558
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: this guy better and whatever that means for us is

559
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: what that means for us, you know, I mean, I

560
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: think that's what he's done. I think he's he's operated

561
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: in good faith with mathin more or less, I think

562
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people think of him as having it,

563
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, having in a doghouse or whatever. And it's like, now,

564
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: I think Rick has really worked with this guy like

565
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: directly and you know, like personally and trying to get

566
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: him better. And so if that means it works out

567
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: for Indiana, you know, great. But I think if it

568
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: works out that Mathurin ends up somebody else that's a

569
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: better fit for him, I think they'll be happy for

570
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: him in that situation too. And if it works out

571
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: for the Pacers, you know, if it if there's a

572
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: scenario where it works out great for everybody, I think

573
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: they'll take it. I don't think they're going to pass

574
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: up on something like that. But you know, I think

575
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: they are coaching him to try to get the best

576
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: out of.

577
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: Him, I thought, and I realized these things are always fluid.

578
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: Dustin Delpierreck is our guest. He's on the Joba House

579
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest line from the Indianapolis Star. Like

580
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: you know Walker Kestler's name. I've seen a couple of articles.

581
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people are going to have interest in him, right,

582
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's hurt in Utah with his shoulder injury,

583
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: but he's a very versatile seven to two guy. It's

584
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: not like Indiana is thinking outside the box by exploring

585
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: a name like that, if that's a name they're looking at.

586
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: But what to me, my thought at the beginning of

587
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: the year was that Isaiah Jackson would get ample opportunity

588
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: to secure that spot and be the five for them.

589
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: And then I don't know if it was the injury Dustin,

590
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: but it seemed like he got off to a slower

591
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: start and Jay Huff has now started to kind of

592
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: find his role in his place, and I'm curious where

593
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: those two will there be room at the end for

594
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: both If they were to go out and get themselves

595
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: a starting five, there'd be a room at the inn.

596
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: But it's just it obviously puts you know, it obviously

597
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: depends on what the starting five is and the would

598
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: be room at the end. But it's a question of Okay,

599
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: is that person going to want that spot. They're gonna

600
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: want something more because someone you know, in that case,

601
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: someone has to be the third center, you know, and

602
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: so is Jaehoff or you know, Isaiah Jackson after this

603
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: season's gonna want to be the third center because both

604
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: of those guys are going to get healthy rotation minutes

605
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: through the rest of you know, until un Lesson until

606
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: they add somebody, and you know, they're both going to

607
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: have reason to think like, hey, I belong. You know,

608
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: I'm good enough to be at least a backup center

609
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: for somebody. I'm good enough to play fifteen minutes a game.

610
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: I don't need to be just showing up here playing five.

611
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: And they're coming in if you know, only when one

612
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: of the other two guys has child trouble. So you know,

613
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's you know, like Jay Huff is still cheap,

614
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: Isaiah Jackson is not particularly expensive either. But you know,

615
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: I imagine if they do go swing big and go

616
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: get a zoo Bac, go get a gaffer, go get

617
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: a Kessler or somebody like that. You know, like they'll

618
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: probably you know, move one of the other guys just

619
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: on the basis of, hey, you know, like you're deserved.

620
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: You deserve better than we're going to get. You know,

621
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: in this situation, you deserve an opportunity to be a backup.

622
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: You deserve rotation minutes someplace. You know, like, we'll look

623
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: for an opportunity.

624
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: That fits there.

625
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: And so I don't know which, you know, I actualk

626
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: it depends on which one they get. Basically, it's you know,

627
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: if if whoever they get as a starter is a

628
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: guy who can shoot threes, is a pick and pok

629
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: up pick and pop option, then you know, they might

630
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: let Jay walk and you know or not, they might

631
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: look for a place for Jay Huff to be uh,

632
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: you know, more successful. And if if it's somebody that

633
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: that uh that can't shoot threes, and if they need

634
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: Huff basically as a backup there's a pick and pop option,

635
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: then they might look at Jackson to give you know,

636
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: him a better scenario. So you know, I mean, like

637
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: you you can keep all three guys, but I mean

638
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: like this, you know again, a year six or whatever

639
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: his career is, like Jah Jackson want to go back

640
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: to playing you know, five ten minutes a game. You know,

641
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: I don't think so, you know, I think did that case?

642
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: You know, he'll look for something that's a better option,

643
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: and and they'll you know, look to They tend to

644
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: look to accommodate. I mean, like you remember when they

645
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: when Daniel Tys wasn't playing. I mean they released him

646
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: because I mean the Clippers didn't have a trade that

647
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: they could make work financially, and but they needed a

648
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: center and you know, like the Pacers thought, Hey, you

649
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: know that's still that's the right thing to do, is

650
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: just give daniel Tys this opportunity because he'll be able

651
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: to play and he can't play here. So you know,

652
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: like they will be if there is a such a

653
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: situation where it's not best for one of those two

654
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: guys to stick with the Pacers, they'll look to accommodate.

655
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Speaker 1: Do you think, Jerris Walker, are we starting to get

656
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: an idea of the ceiling or do the pacers see

657
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: it as he is just getting off the floor and

658
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: not off the floor the playing floor, you go, what

659
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like he's just starting to elevate from from

660
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: his baseline.

661
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's more of the

662
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: second thing. And I think, you know, like the is

663
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: still in the place, like and and I think that's

664
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: probably bothersome to them in this sense. Obviously they just benched,

665
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, Rick just bench Jerrifs on last Friday against

666
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: the Bull like, you know, just saw something he didn't like,

667
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I guess, defensively or whatever in the first quarter and

668
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: just put him on the bench until you know, the

669
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: last couple of minutes of that game. And but you know,

670
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: then I asked him about him after Monday, after they

671
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: win on Monday, and he said, you know, I thought,

672
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: just the terrific job of responding. He had twelve points,

673
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: hit some big rebounds. It's just they just look at

674
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: it like, I mean, he's just got to play with

675
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: some consistency, with some force and some edge. I mean

676
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: they definitely see, you know, they see the the you know,

677
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: the finer finesse points to his game. It's nice to

678
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: have a guy who's you know, six seven, two thirty five,

679
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: two forty who can you know, shoot threes and handle

680
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: the basketball and you know, with big long arms, you

681
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: can you know, just get his hands in for skills

682
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And you know there's there's like

683
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: all these you know, little nuanced cool things that they

684
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: keep looking at like that kind of like gadgets to

685
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: his game, if you will. But they're like, man, like

686
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: a guy like that's got to play with more consistent force,

687
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: more consistent edge. You know, like those are words that

688
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: Carlisle uses all the time. You you know, like you

689
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: look at jars Walker and you're like, that guy has

690
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: all the physical capabilities to play the way that you

691
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: want to play with the kind of you know, just

692
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: m full strength force, you know, with a disposition that

693
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: Rick likes to say, and you're like, you're just not

694
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: seeing it. You're just not seeing the kind of edge

695
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: and force and you're like, well, just bring that and

696
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: everything else comes into play. And I think I've cameber

697
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: what I think it was. I cameber which game it was,

698
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: but I mean like that, you know, we had one

699
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: game where he was really driving the ballhart of the rim,

700
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: and you know, and like you're like, wow, that's it,

701
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: you know, there it is. That's what Jeris Roker needs

702
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: to be. And it's like you can combine it with

703
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: him hitting open threes, you know, going hard to the

704
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: room on offense and just playing consistently tough defense and rebounding.

705
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: You're like, man, there could be a great player there

706
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: and it's just not showing up with any level of consistency.

707
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: So they're trying to hang in there with that. But

708
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: you know, to your point, I mean, it makes him

709
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: more you know, movable when you're talking about, you know,

710
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: needing a trade. But you know, like they I think

711
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: they still see a really good player in there if

712
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: he can bring up bring a level of consistent edge.

713
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I always thought, Dustin, if you want

714
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: to go into business with me on this, that's cool.

715
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: We'll have to get a couple of people to chip in.

716
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: But I always thought it was a missed opportunity that

717
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't somebody somewhere that opened up a burger joint

718
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: that just sells Hawaiian burgers and just called it tasty burgers. Well, yeah,

719
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's why. I don't know why nobody did

720
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: that yet. I mean, thirty years removed from peak pulp fiction,

721
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I realized. But I think most people would get the reference,

722
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: would they not if you just had it, like, did you.

723
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: Know big Kerhuniberger?

724
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the big Huniburger. But I think that probably

725
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: is trademarked, so you'll just have to call it the

726
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Tasty burger. But it is a tasty burger. And then

727
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: it's clearly at the fountain drink you sell just sprite

728
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: right to wash it down with. Obviously it goes without

729
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: to I mean, these are the kinds of things that

730
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I sit around and think about when no one else

731
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: is around, which oftentimes is actually when I'm on the radio.

732
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, truth be told. You know

733
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, I mean, if we're being real, there

734
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: are you in on my business venture?

735
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: I'm in, let's get a couple of more investors because

736
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm done with that. I mean, I feel like we

737
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: can also buy the trademark, right, I mean, like you know,

738
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: Bubba Group, gumshrim Company exists right, Like there's.

739
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: No listen, let me tell you something I trademarked. Why

740
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: not Indiana and trademarking. First off, not only trademarking a challenge,

741
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: but then now like there's some company online I guess

742
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I can say I won't say the name of it,

743
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: but and it's not a local one. There was a

744
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: local one that had to get a letter from me.

745
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: And now there's one with selling T shirts that are

746
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: a blatant rip off of the trademark T shirts of

747
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: the Indiana Like it's wildfire man. I'm telling you, yeah, yeah,

748
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: there you go. Trademarking is not an easy thing to do.

749
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: But so so let me ask you this. When you

750
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: talk about the idea of a business venture and you

751
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: want to buy in because you think it's going to

752
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: pay off, if that business venture was Johnny Furfey and

753
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: a long term spot within Indiana and working his way

754
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: into rotation once they get back to who we think

755
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: they're going to be. You buying that or you pass

756
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: it on it.

757
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm buying that.

758
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: I'm not putting every you know, like not putting the

759
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: entire life savings into the investment, but you know, but

760
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: buying that if I've got some disposable income, I guess

761
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: the best way to I mean, like you just he

762
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: just the injuries have you know, like so far. I mean,

763
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: they really just love the way he plays, They love

764
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: his aggressionate level, all those kinds of things. And I

765
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: think just him not being healthy has taken away some

766
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: of that, some of what you saw. And I think

767
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: if you've got you know, like he's starting to shoot

768
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: the ball better, you know, like I mean that was

769
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: one of his big assets coming in. You didn't really

770
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: see it in year one, but you're starting to see

771
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: it in year two in the limited amount of opportunities

772
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: he's had, you know, So I think it can't happen.

773
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like Rick, Rick loves his attitude, Rick loves

774
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: the plays, Rick loves his physicality. You know. I think

775
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: he's entertained by the fact that it's like sneaky physicality

776
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: that you know, like Rick mentions over and over again

777
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: how he looks like he's you know, like it just

778
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: looks like he's ever had to shave, and he looks

779
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: like he's fifteen. And yet you know he boxes out

780
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: and plays was kind of forced around the rim and everything.

781
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like if he can get some

782
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: established level of aggression energy and be able to show it,

783
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance he can work his way

784
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: in there.

785
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: It's it is, it's an.

786
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: Interesting it's obviously a different lineup scenario. Uh now, and

787
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: and you know, like you know Walker being part of that,

788
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: and then you add Ethan Thompson to this situation and Garrison,

789
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: Garrison Matthews the situation there. Guys, you weren't part of

790
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: this before. Uh. You know, Jackson's gonna get get up

791
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: back on the floor here. You obviously played with the

792
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: boom last night. I mean, I imagine he'll get some

793
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 3: minutes in Philadelphia tonight and so you'll see him out

794
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: of the road station. It's, you know, like it is

795
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: sort of all over the place, and obviously there are

796
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: guys and players that expect it to be You take now,

797
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: you do take Jeremiah Robinson arle out of the equation

798
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: and you know, which would probably leads more opportunity for

799
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: for i Fee Robinson has played in a couple of games.

800
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: It had not played in a couple of games. But

801
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think they you know, he played with

802
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: like that just sort of sort of like an energy

803
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: you know, for a guy that could really rebound, you know,

804
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: like him being gone open up some minutes for for

805
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: Fee in that regard. So yeah, I mean I think

806
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: he he can. It makes sense for them to make

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: sure they get you know, for twenty one year olds

808
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: some minutes, especially if they're you know, they find themselves,

809
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: you know, really stuck in the lottery and say, okay,

810
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 3: you need you need to get fur Fey on the floor,

811
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: you need to hopefully get camp Jones on the floor

812
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: at some point. Make sure those guys get opportunities. So

813
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, ultimately, yes, I think he's going

814
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: to have more rotation spots, more rotation opportunities as the

815
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: year goes on.

816
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: Dustin, I know that it's been a cameo before, and

817
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm always welcoming of it. The dog's name, by the way,

818
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: your dog's name in the background there, Maxine, Yes, Maxcine.

819
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: She's got talked about whatever is going I.

820
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Love Maxine going on on the street. She's you know, listen,

821
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: listen Maxine. Hearing you talk when you're on this radio

822
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: program means that we've now gone from four to five listeners.

823
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: So we will take it right and not for you,

824
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying for me right. So we greatly appreciate Dustin,

825
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always, Pacers and Actions and I

826
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: taken on Philly. Have a great weekend. I'm sure we

827
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: will talk to you. But if we don't have a

828
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: great holiday season as well.

829
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely you as well.

830
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for much sake, I Dustin, No pierrek joining us

831
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Star Colts in Seattle taking on the

832
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: Seahawks on Sunday. Big question mark, of course, is who

833
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: will get the starting reps at the quarterback position. Shane

834
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Steichen still non committal on that. We can read all

835
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: the tea leaves we want. Joining us now on the

836
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest Line. He is with

837
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: the Fan Morning Show. You hear him with James Boyd,

838
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: jeff Rickord, and you heard him this week from our

839
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: brand new palatial studios here in our new building, Kevin,

840
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: you's still getting used to the new digs by the way, I.

841
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: Am, Yeah, i am a little bit.

842
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 4: But yes, space is in there.

843
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: Gosh, you got to have all the room in the world.

844
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's it's and you know what the

845
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: not that anybody cares, but I'm gonna say the new

846
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: chairs are like sitting on clouds. Huge up. Yeah they are.

847
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: They are very nice.

848
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 5: And yeah, you're probably a bit lonely in there, are

849
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 5: you not?

850
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of the story of my life, Kevin,

851
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: if you really want to know the truth. But yes,

852
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: because we are in you know, Eddie's in a different room.

853
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: But it's good because Eddie's under the weather. So this

854
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: is you know, it's in that regard. It's good to

855
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: make sure that we're all staying healthy. Obviously have that

856
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: luxury with two other guys in here, but there's plenty

857
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: of room. It's awesome. It is very cool. And the

858
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: topic of conversation has clearly been about the quarterback for

859
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the Colts since we made the move over here. I'm

860
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: going to table that for now and start with this

861
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: and something that I think is I'm not going to

862
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: say it was off radar but maybe we didn't give

863
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: it enough attention. And that is the situation with the

864
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: injured reserve for Shaverius Moody Ward with his third concussion

865
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: protocol and Kevin as a human being for him, I

866
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: don't mean as a football player, as a human being.

867
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: I feel for him because that is significant, and he

868
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: was pretty candid about just how difficult it was from

869
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol the second time, and it makes me

870
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: wonder what the long term for him as a cult

871
00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: is going to be. Am I being way too analytical there, Oh, I.

872
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: Don't think you are at all.

873
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, you know, you obviously remember it, Jake, But outside

874
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: of maybe Austin Collie, I don't know if I've ever

875
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 5: seen a cult player. You know, in the fifteen years

876
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: that I've covered, the team have three concussion protocols.

877
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: In three months. It's just it's just super rare.

878
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: And obviously he's been very outspoken about it. And you know,

879
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: again for those that haven't followed the whole Shavarious Mooney

880
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: Ward story, you know, you had the tragic, tragic loss.

881
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 4: Of his young young daughter last year.

882
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 5: Really you know, stepped away from football for a little

883
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: bit of time with forty nine ers, and that was

884
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 5: part of why he wanted to go somewhere else in

885
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 5: free agency, was just I need a total restart, you know,

886
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 5: to my football career. And I do think you have

887
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 5: to point out too, and you know, again maybe a

888
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 5: conversation for more of the offseason, Jake.

889
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: But he's twenty nine years old.

890
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 5: Yes he was an undrafted free agent, but he has

891
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 5: signed two very healthy contracts in the NFL. And you know,

892
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 5: for some guys at different points in their professional careers,

893
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 5: the money, the risk, all of it might mean different things.

894
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: You know.

895
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: I think when you get guys that are a little

896
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 5: bit older, you do here then talk about, hey, my

897
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 5: body's in good shape. You know, I want to make

898
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 5: sure I, you know, can kind of go out feeling

899
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 5: like this, whereas guys that are a little bit younger

900
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: are trying to chase those contracts in the generational wealth,

901
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: their decisions might be you know, influenced by that.

902
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, just super super unfortunate.

903
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, that news earlier this week is at least

904
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 5: out for the rest of the season.

905
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, in the big challenge, Kevin, let's be real, is

906
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: the fact that you have now not just one, but

907
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: two corners gone, because I mean not gone, but Sauce

908
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: Gardner being out as well. And whoever would a thunk

909
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: three to four years ago that a team with Sam

910
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Darnold under center would be one that you're concerned about

911
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: at the corner position going into it. But they have

912
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: certainly at the top of it as good a receiving

913
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: group as you're going to find in the National Football League.

914
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: So this is a challenge. What does it mean just

915
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: in terms of depth rotation for the Yeah.

916
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: So for those that haven't been paying attention Jackson Smith's

917
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: and Jigba for the Seahawks, he leads the league and

918
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: receiving yards by a lots Ohio State products.

919
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: He's been outstanding for them.

920
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 5: They still have Cooper Cupp who you know, he's probably

921
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: walking up the fifteenth hole, but he's not walking up

922
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 5: the eighteenth hole of his career. And then they created

923
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 5: for Rashid Shaheed who a couple of years ago when

924
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 5: the Saints came to Lucas Oil Stadium, he lit up

925
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 5: the Colts secondary kind of a big play white out

926
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 5: that can get get really vertical. So you know, yes,

927
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 5: I do think they have a really nice wide out core.

928
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 5: I would say one thing for the Colts to make

929
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 5: this a game on Sunday, to keep it interesting to

930
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 5: you know, try and pull off this upset, you know

931
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 5: they do. Seattle has been a big turnover team this year,

932
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: and I'm staying in the committeing turnover department, the giveaway departments,

933
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: more of the wild their stats, they're thirty first in

934
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: the league in turnovers again given away. And yet if

935
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 5: you look at all the teams around them, they all

936
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: are bound for the top ten or fifteen of the draft,

937
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: and the Seahawks might be bound for.

938
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.

939
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: So again, can you tap into any of that? Can

940
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 5: you get you know, Sam Darnold, the CEOs if you will.

941
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: And try to turn the ball over? I think that's

942
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: that absolute must.

943
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: Kevin. Let's get to the quarterback position. Obviously, it is

944
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: the big story. Okay, how confident are you that Philip

945
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Rivers takes the snap from the get go in Seattle

946
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: at the very least, and then obviously, you know, maybe

947
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: it is right than Leonard, but and then they hand

948
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: it over. But are you fairly certain at this point

949
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: that Philip Rivers is the starter?

950
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: I would be surprised if it is not. Philip Rivers

951
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 5: on Sunday. So my expectation is it's rivers. You know,

952
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: I guess he could have whatever felt a little you know,

953
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: wakes up tomorrow or you know, even later today. It's

954
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: a lot of pains in three straight days of practice.

955
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: But outside of that, my expectation is it'll be the

956
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: forty four year old grandpa under center.

957
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to I mean I saw

958
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: some of the video of him throwing. It's hard to

959
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: tell from that, right, I mean, in terms of the

960
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: practice itself or just the reps that he has done,

961
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: what has been the word there?

962
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he you know, when you watch him throw,

963
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's ever thought you're watching you know,

964
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 5: rolled as Chatman throw a fastball or you know Paul's schemes,

965
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: you know, humbling in there. And I mean his motion

966
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 5: still looks squirky and funky, and at times, you know,

967
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: you do feel like he's you know, kind of winding

968
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 5: up to make some throws that you know might come

969
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: a little bit easier to whatever the Joe Flacco's, the

970
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson's of the world, guys that got bigger arms.

971
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: But you know, he has always been a guy that

972
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 5: it's anticipation, it's knowing where people are going to be.

973
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: Obviously he's got great accuracy, but you know, velocity has

974
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 5: really never been his demo. And you know, Shane suck

975
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: said today, pretty impressive to watch him throw in practice

976
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: and considering the five years on off it, and he

977
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 5: certainly has checked the box and change's eyes of the

978
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 5: mental preparation and you know, all of that stuff of

979
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: why he in my opinion, will likely hear his name

980
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame one day, although

981
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: by a plane whenever he does play as early as Sunday,

982
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: that delays his Hall of Fame.

983
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: Clock by five years. So yeah, I think those are

984
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: the biggest questions.

985
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: Ojake, you know that Garret times in twenty twenty, I

986
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 5: felt like, oh man, you know, is that arm starting

987
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: to lose some of it? And it's one thing to

988
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 5: do it in an indoor environment in the Colts practice

989
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 5: facility when you're wearing.

990
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 4: A red jersey.

991
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 5: It's another thing to do it when you can get

992
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 5: hit against one of the best defenses in the NFL

993
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 5: and you know, fifty degree whether outdoors and we'll see

994
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: if it rains or not.

995
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: Kevin one of the things that I was, I guess

996
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: surprised by Kevin Bowen, my guest. By the way, of course,

997
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: you hear him on the fan morning show. He's on

998
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the job house peeling poor guest line Philip Rivers played

999
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: here one year, and he played here in an odd

1000
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: year because it was the COVID year. And that's not

1001
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: to say he didn't get to know his teammates. He

1002
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily get to know oh, the media or fans.

1003
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean it all everything was at a distance, right,

1004
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: But he was very almost sentimental, is how I took it.

1005
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: And you were in the room. I was not for

1006
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: his press conference, but in watching the clips of it,

1007
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: he seemed to have a great affinity for being back

1008
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: in the building, and I wondered what that was rooted from.

1009
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: And maybe that is simply his relationship with be it

1010
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard or Shane Steichen from back when he was

1011
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. But given all of that, he did

1012
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: not come back for year number two, and yet it

1013
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: seemed as though he enjoyed his year in his time. Now,

1014
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: what do you think now is different?

1015
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he loves football as much as you love.

1016
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: Cologne and watches.

1017
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: That's a lot, right, I mean.

1018
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 5: He loves it, loves it, loves it, and I know, like, yeah,

1019
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 5: guys love to play the game of football. I just

1020
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 5: think it's a different level of obsession with him. And

1021
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: maybe that sounds cliche, maybe that sounds sappy, but I

1022
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: think it's real.

1023
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 4: And I think there.

1024
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: Was an emotional level to him just being back in

1025
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: a building and potentially scratching that competitive.

1026
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: Ch one more time.

1027
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 5: Not to mention with an eight and five football team

1028
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 5: that if you just isolated the record and the standings,

1029
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 5: but Colts have a definite shot to make the playoffs.

1030
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 5: Like it, if we didn't factor in the quarterback situation

1031
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: at all, and you just looked at record standings, you

1032
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 5: know who everybody's flaying down the stretch.

1033
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: If the Colts went.

1034
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: Two of four, that might be enough.

1035
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: So I think all of.

1036
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 5: That is where you get, you know, this energy from him.

1037
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 5: He clearly is very close with Shane Stike, and I

1038
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: don't think he would have just come back, you know,

1039
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 5: to any call like this from around the league. So

1040
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: I think that's that play. And yeah, I mean he

1041
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: did get emotional. He got emotional a couple of different times. Now,

1042
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 5: one of those times I do think he got emotional

1043
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 5: in talking about his wife, and I do think there

1044
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: is that doubt in his mind of like, oh man,

1045
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: I am taking a physical risk by being back out there.

1046
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 5: And if you have the Seahawks boy from a competitive spirit,

1047
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: I mean, there's got to.

1048
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: Be a level of like, wait a minute.

1049
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: The Colts think that they can run a forty four

1050
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 5: year old dude out here who hasn't played five years

1051
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 5: in the NFL against our defense.

1052
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: Like, to me, that would be disrespectful if I see.

1053
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: Now, you know, maybe the Colts and Philip can catch

1054
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 5: them in a little bit of their stat hunting. They

1055
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 5: want to be the one to sack the Hall of

1056
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 5: Fame quarterback. They want to be the one that you know,

1057
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 5: picks off Philip Rivers in a game that we will

1058
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 5: talk about no matter what happens, good, bad and different,

1059
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 5: we'll talk about this game for years moving forward league wide,

1060
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: people will. I do think that aspect of the game

1061
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: is kind of interesting.

1062
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: Okay, what two players? I have my thought on this,

1063
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: but I want your thought. What two players? If let's

1064
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: say Philip Rivers is the starter and he's the guy

1065
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: they're going to right, what two offensive players then probably

1066
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: see their workload most increase because of the fact that

1067
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is under center.

1068
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor in that whole position room, and Tyler Warren

1069
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 5: in that whole tight end room.

1070
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: Yep, because I go back to that's exactly what I said,

1071
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Kevin and for Tyler Warren. For me, it's not just

1072
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: about Tyler Warren's skill set in the area the operating

1073
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: area that he's going to be. You know, if Philip

1074
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: Rivers wants to get rid of the football, but also

1075
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: if you look at Philip Rivers as a quarterback, think

1076
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: about the relationship he had and the statistics he had

1077
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: and the reliability he had on Antonio Gates. So there's

1078
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: familiarity there already with the incorporation of tight end right Yeah.

1079
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 5: And I think Rivers knows this ball has got to

1080
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 5: come out rapid fire and we've got to get it

1081
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 5: to playmakers. And you know, the Colts definitely have more

1082
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 5: playmaking talent than they did last time Rivers was here

1083
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. And you know, I no matter who

1084
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: was playing quarter back, even if it was Leonard or

1085
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: Brett Rippin, I mean, they were going to run the

1086
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 5: ball endlessly on Sunday anyways, So yeah, I fully expect

1087
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 5: that to be the blueprint. Obviously, the guy that probably

1088
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 5: hurts the most is Alec Pierce. You know, how many

1089
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 5: true shots can you get? I mean, if Rivers gets the.

1090
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: Right look, maybe he will, you know.

1091
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: Fire one up there.

1092
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: But that is an element that I do think has

1093
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 5: been so key for this Colt team this season. You

1094
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 5: know how much of that will be limited because if

1095
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 5: it's totally taken out, man, it's gonna be tough to

1096
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: grind out. You know, the twelve play eighty are true

1097
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 5: thinking dunk drives against a defense that hasn't allowed a

1098
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 5: touchdown in the last two weeks.

1099
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Kevin I was talking to somebody, Kevin Bowen, my guest.

1100
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody earlier this week that said

1101
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: that they believe that Chris Ballard believes that with wins

1102
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: over Jacksonville and Houston. You know, obviously both those games

1103
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: still remain Jacksonville here, Houston end the year down there.

1104
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: They believe that those two games, if they were to

1105
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: win both of them, that gets them in that that

1106
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: will be enough. I would think they would need to

1107
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: get one of the two. Also, between Seattle and San Francisco.

1108
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: But if they were to drop both of these next

1109
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: two games, not saying that's gonna happen, but if they

1110
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: were to drop them, if they were to find themselves

1111
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: out of then playoff contention, does Philip Rivers basically get

1112
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: a thank you and a parting gift and then head

1113
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: back to Alabama? Yeah?

1114
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 4: Like in terms of what he play next season?

1115
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm saying if they somehow and I

1116
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know the numbers of what it would be like

1117
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: going into Week sixteen or seventeen, but if they cannot

1118
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: get themselves into the playoffs, does he play a game

1119
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: this year? If it is if it is standing wise irrelevant.

1120
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: I see what you're saying.

1121
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: So if they're eliminated, is he also it?

1122
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: Okay?

1123
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would assume I would, frankly hope. I mean

1124
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: there's part of you that like, I don't think there's

1125
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: many people that feel this way. But if Daniel Jones

1126
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 5: is not going to be ready for week one, which

1127
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: I mean giving me Achilles rehab, I mean nine months,

1128
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: I know it sounds crazy to some, but you know,

1129
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins, I think, was on a similar time table,

1130
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 5: much older than Daniel Jones, and he was clear to

1131
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 5: be ready.

1132
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: For Week one.

1133
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: But you know, like there's a part of you that

1134
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 5: if you're in Anthony Richardson's camp and you're like, hey,

1135
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 5: I don't want to be here anymore.

1136
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: All right?

1137
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 5: The Colt smove Anthony Richardson in the off season, and

1138
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 5: that means like Riley Leonard could be in line to

1139
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: be a potential Week one starter unless he's allowed to

1140
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 5: make some sort of move in the off season. So

1141
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 5: you know, there's a little bit of me that's like, A,

1142
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 5: does a healthy Riley Leonard, which I believe he was

1143
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 5: a full participant in practice all week long? Does he

1144
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: give you a better shot to go win on Sunday

1145
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: in Seattle?

1146
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: Let's start there.

1147
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 5: And then b is there any part of you that says, well,

1148
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 5: even if that's a coin flip at fifty to fifty,

1149
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, we have to make sure

1150
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 5: that hey, Ryan Leonard gets these reps because he's a

1151
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: developmental quarterback and you know he might be the guy

1152
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 5: for a chunk to start next season, which you know

1153
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 5: it's probably premature, but it's at least a thought of that.

1154
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin would it could have should have I realize,

1155
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: but doesn't it make And look, the Anthony Richardson injury is,

1156
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: in its own right, you know, a terrible thing, just

1157
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: for the sake of Anthony Richardson, you know, for you

1158
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: feel for the guy because it's at no one's fault

1159
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: and certainly not Anthony Richardson's fault that a freak accident

1160
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: leads him to an orbital eye injury. But do you agree?

1161
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: It is my thought that if with that, with everything

1162
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: that happened, if Richardson was available at the very least,

1163
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: the Colts put him out there not just to kind

1164
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: of salvage this season instead of Philip Rivers, but also

1165
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: to showcase who and what he might be to then

1166
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: intrigue someone else to trade for him. If Daniel Jones

1167
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: is their long term ants and they're now denied that,

1168
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: do you think they see it that way? Yeah?

1169
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's definitely a part of that, not

1170
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 5: to mention in reviving a stagnant run game, I think having.

1171
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: A run threat at quarterback, like right now, the culture run.

1172
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: Game is struggling.

1173
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 5: Putting a forty four year old quarterback that has as

1174
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 5: good of a chance to run as you know I

1175
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 5: do in the Boston Marathon next year is the last

1176
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 5: thing that you would want to have, you know, happen here.

1177
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: So I do think that is a real disappointing element

1178
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 5: to this. Of Yeah, even if you don't want to

1179
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,959
Speaker 5: factor in the long term and the shopping him around

1180
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 5: thirty one other teams and all of that, I think

1181
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 5: it would come in handy to try and get Jonathan

1182
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 5: Taylor going again.

1183
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: So that part.

1184
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: Is definitely there.

1185
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 5: And it's just wild that we're sitting here on whatever

1186
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: it is, December thirteenth, twelfth and we are literally talking

1187
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 5: about Philip Rivers starting more games this season than Anthony Richardson.

1188
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and again, I go back and forth, Kevin.

1189
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: Part of me thinks this is the most absurd, Holy cow,

1190
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: there's going to be a thirty for thirty about like

1191
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: the lunacy, kind of like the hiring of Jeff's Saturday

1192
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: out of Nowhere type feel to it. And then there's

1193
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: part of me that also is like, this might work

1194
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: and be brilliant. I go back and forth, Kevin. I

1195
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: don't know, it depends on the hour on which way

1196
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: I think on that. I mean, are you in that

1197
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: same camp?

1198
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I struggle to find a ton of

1199
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 5: confidence and the brilliancy of it, to be totally honest

1200
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 5: with you, given the opponent, given the location, and given

1201
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 5: the fact that to me, Philip Rivers right now looks

1202
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 5: like Tim Allen trying to save Christmas. But there, I

1203
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 5: mean the whole movie Angle. Oh, there's no denying that.

1204
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 5: I mean, how many times, even in like settings with

1205
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 5: your buddies, Gay, do you feel like it has been discussed, like, hey,

1206
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 5: you think you can go out there and play? Ah?

1207
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean yet, no question.

1208
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: It's like one of the.

1209
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 5: More popular topics athlete non athlete, you know, no matter

1210
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 5: the sport. You know, how many points do you think

1211
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: ex player at x age could give you in an

1212
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 5: NBA game? You know, like just like things like that.

1213
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 5: And now it's legitimately happening at as the NFL quarterback,

1214
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 5: and Philip Rivers is already like a he's like a

1215
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 5: fictional character anyways, you know, just how his aura and

1216
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 5: how he talks and how he acts and how he

1217
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 5: throws it.

1218
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 4: And how he played the game.

1219
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 5: And I mean we've seen it firsthand probably more than

1220
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 5: any other market around the NFL and not named the Chargers,

1221
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: So that aspect I think just kind of plays into

1222
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 5: it even more. And the culture in the hunt. I mean,

1223
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 5: you are eight and five and you still have a chance.

1224
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean all of it is movie like. Now,

1225
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 5: the question is, you know, how crazy is it going

1226
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 5: to be or how nightmarish is it going to be?

1227
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: Now, your son Max Bowen Kevin Bowen does a video

1228
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: each and every week where his son uses Now are

1229
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: those tongs? Is that what he's using now to pick

1230
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: up the helm I mean is this a germ things?

1231
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: What's with that when he picks up the helmet.

1232
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of adopted these.

1233
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 5: He calls him a shoppers, but yes, you know, many

1234
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 5: salatongs is probably the best way to put it. You know,

1235
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 5: he's adopted this now. I feel like it's been all

1236
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: season long and maybe even dating back to last year.

1237
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: That's how he picks up the helmets.

1238
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: No, thankfully it's not COVID related.

1239
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: I know Philip Rivers makes this think back to COVID,

1240
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 5: but nothing to do with COVID. But yes, that's how

1241
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 5: he picks the helmet. He literally chomps one of the

1242
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 5: helmets up in the air.

1243
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: Okay, and since it's already out there on social media.

1244
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: We can go ahead and reveal this week he was

1245
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: on a bit of a streak in picking the Colts.

1246
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: Now that's not to say he was on a win streak,

1247
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: but he had what where did he stand? Was he

1248
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: on a losing streak? Is that right?

1249
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1250
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: I think because like you said, he's kind of been

1251
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 5: rolling with the Colts lately.

1252
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: Obviously that hasn't gone well.

1253
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 5: So he ended up picking the Seahawks this week. He

1254
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 5: asked me at the end of the video, if the

1255
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: seahawks are big or small?

1256
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: Would you have answered?

1257
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: I think as birds go, they're bigger. Right, they're technically

1258
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: an osprey. They're actually they're basically well, they're hawks that

1259
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: live by the sea. Right, I think they're big. What

1260
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: did you say, dear lord?

1261
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 5: Did you did you get a zoology degree when you

1262
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 5: went back a few years ago?

1263
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: What was that you didn't know? You're not familiar with

1264
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the osprey osp r e y man.

1265
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 5: I remember the map shooitor you had. I didn't know

1266
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: you were, you know, volunteer at the.

1267
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Zoo three days a week. They don't have any seahawks

1268
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: at the Indianapolis Zoo. I don't think they have ospreys,

1269
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: but hawks rather big birds, and then birds of prey

1270
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: that actually live off of marine biology would be an osprey,

1271
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: which is a seahawk.

1272
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 5: Big birds, I think, honestly, I don't know if you've

1273
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 5: thought about it, because you still obviously have a fastball.

1274
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 5: But you know, whenever retirement does creep in for you,

1275
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 5: I think your retirement job. You know, we get a

1276
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 5: lot of these mascots and nowadays are a little iffy.

1277
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 5: You know, we've had a change of high school nicknames

1278
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 5: at a Chanson pro nicknames.

1279
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: Anybody that has to use.

1280
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 5: A third party to consult in a new mascot, you

1281
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 5: need to be the person nickball.

1282
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: You know what that would be. That's actually a dream

1283
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: gig if you really want to know the truth. I

1284
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you also saying that I've not lost my I

1285
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: don't know that I ever had a fastball, but the

1286
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: fact that I'm still throwing at eighty two miles an hour,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: No, you're not any I would say, I rolled the

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Speaker 5: Shabbin's still alive and well.

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Speaker 1: In your arm. Well, thank you, I appreciate that. So

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Speaker 1: your son did go with the seahawks. They are a

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Speaker 1: big bird We'll see how big they are though, coming

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Speaker 1: up this Sunday at out in Seattle, and then the

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Speaker 1: cults are back home San Francisco's here right Monday night football,

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Speaker 1: Right Monday Night's football.

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Speaker 5: I would assume to force Buckner and maybe Sauce Gardener

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Speaker 5: back for that one.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, Indiana, Kentucky this weekend as well. You

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Speaker 1: guys will have plenty to talk about coming up on Monday,

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Speaker 1: and a Heisman Trophy that I truly believe is going

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Speaker 1: to be in Bloomington, Indiana with Fernanda Mendoza. So plenty

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Speaker 1: that we'll be talked about starting at seven o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the morning on the Fan Morning Show. Jeff Rickard, James

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Speaker 1: Boyd and Kevin Bowen appreciate it and enjoy the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Kevin, you boys have a great weekend as well. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is Kevin Bowen joining us, Java House Peel and

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Speaker 1: poor guest Line