Speaker 1: Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. He's been in Westfield. I
Speaker 1: know Grand Park in Westfield for colts camp. Our good
Speaker 1: friend Ben Sola joins us from ESPN on ESPN dot com.
Speaker 1: Hey Ben, how's your yard doing?
Speaker 2: Hopefully well?
Speaker 3: I'mt been hauled in the last ten or so days,
Speaker 3: but the life report and the tomatoes are good, the
Speaker 3: cucumbers are good, and so we'll take that well.
Speaker 1: The reason why I bring this up we had you
Speaker 1: on back during the draft and we had noticed via
Speaker 1: your video that you had some dead spots there. I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that you got back on track
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big lawn guy. A lot of water,
Speaker 2: not a lot of biodiversity.
Speaker 3: I'm bigger on the prairies and the plane and so
Speaker 3: dead spots don't bother me too much.
Speaker 2: I just mean somebody's walking.
Speaker 1: There, completely understand, all right? So will this consider the
Speaker 1: yard because we'll say the watch the wife has the
Speaker 1: yard in the proper position right now. So Ben, you
Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts on Daniel Jones, considering the injury,
Speaker 1: the circumstances, and what you have witnessed up in Westfield,
Speaker 1: how has he looked so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it looks quite good.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that he looks like, you know, he's
Speaker 3: sprinting around there at full speed, you know, not.
Speaker 2: A care in the world. You can tell that he's
Speaker 2: still being careful with how he moves, but he looks
Speaker 2: no thing is moving.
Speaker 3: Better than I would expect for a guy seven and
Speaker 3: a half months off of achilles surgery.
Speaker 2: They are not Molly coddling Ham, which I think is
Speaker 2: a really good sign. Right.
Speaker 3: I was talking to Shane Spiking after practice and I
Speaker 3: asked him if they have to adjust at all what
Speaker 3: they call or some.
Speaker 2: Of the you know, do we want to avoid the
Speaker 2: rollouts or managing the reps?
Speaker 3: And he was like, nothing like that, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: we were getting a full sign from the medical staff,
Speaker 3: you know, give whatever you want and he's going to
Speaker 3: feel it out and he's just going to keep getting
Speaker 3: stronger and stronger. And so I don't think when it
Speaker 3: comes to week one we'll see a fully healthy Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3: I think he might still be a little bit, you know,
Speaker 3: more careful and more ginger. How much you know, veilosophies,
Speaker 3: you got to have him to drive in that ball
Speaker 3: to back. But that's something it's still waits to be seen.
Speaker 2: But as for the skates that we're at right now,
Speaker 2: you got.
Speaker 1: To be pleased with there is that so been so
Speaker 1: luck of ESPN and ESPN dot Com is on the
Speaker 1: Andy Moore Automatic Group POL line. So again, it's a
Speaker 1: very small sample size so far in camp here, But
Speaker 1: give me the most impressive aspect that you have witnessed
Speaker 1: so far in Westfield with this Colts team?
Speaker 4: What stands out above all else.
Speaker 2: And Daniel Jones specifically are generally.
Speaker 1: No just in general with a team personnel individually speaking,
Speaker 1: personnel wise, whatever you think.
Speaker 3: I was happy to see AJ Halsey out there with
Speaker 3: the ones. They looked good on the day that I
Speaker 3: was out there. That's a third round State dot LSU.
Speaker 3: You know, they look like they're going to start at
Speaker 3: least two rookies there C. J. Allen and linebacker and
Speaker 3: Halsey and safety, and then they might start a third linebacker,
Speaker 3: a third player I should say linebacker and in bright
Speaker 3: Stetch of their fourth round pick. And when all this
Speaker 3: was going down and they they were drafting all these rookies,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I've known Luanna Rumo from his time coach.
Speaker 3: In the Bengals, and I know how important communication is
Speaker 3: in his back end. You got to be a sharp
Speaker 3: cookie to play in that defense. You got to be
Speaker 3: able to idea it really fast and communicating really fast.
Speaker 3: And so I'm seeing, you know, potentially two potentially three
Speaker 3: rookie starters on the defense, and I was I'm pretty
Speaker 3: worried about that.
Speaker 2: That feels like an issue to me.
Speaker 3: But in watching HALTI play and speaking Lou about him,
Speaker 3: and speaking of Chris about him, and some of the
Speaker 3: people there, you have the sense that they're really pleased with.
Speaker 2: Where he's at.
Speaker 3: The really polices are justin Walley the second year Nickel
Speaker 3: is at and he knows only banged up last year.
Speaker 2: You know, well we'll see you know, bullets aren't live
Speaker 2: until weak one. That's a lot of rookies, a lot
Speaker 2: of inexperienced players are going to be.
Speaker 3: Playing that for that defense. So it's still something to watch.
Speaker 3: But I didn't see, you know, a lot of mental errors.
Speaker 3: They seem very comfortable getting the young guys out there
Speaker 3: right now and feel bit about where their communication was.
Speaker 1: Hey, Ben, what do you look for in a camp
Speaker 1: situation like this with the negatives and the positives from
Speaker 1: a team at this point of the season.
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 3: It's because we misunderstand a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 3: we're supposed to look for. The number one thing that
Speaker 3: I want to see in a camp environment is how
Speaker 3: well you know procedurally in process wise.
Speaker 2: Are the teams getting into.
Speaker 3: And out of their calls right from first team, secondeen, thirdeam?
Speaker 3: Are you getting the call from the sideline correct, You're
Speaker 3: getting lined up in the correct spot? Are you snapping
Speaker 3: the ball on time? Is everybody going where they should
Speaker 3: be going? You guys, as every coach will tell you,
Speaker 3: they run a lot.
Speaker 2: Of simple stuff in camp. They're not really running anything complex.
Speaker 3: And so you've got you know, linebackers dropp into the
Speaker 3: same spot and zone coverage receivers running.
Speaker 2: The same route.
Speaker 3: They don't know the depth they're supposed to be at.
Speaker 3: You know, you you can tell pretty quick. You'll have
Speaker 3: positional coaches and coordinators coming off of sideline screaming, hollering,
Speaker 3: gain frustrated because this is the simple, basic foundational stuff
Speaker 3: we got to be able to do. And so a
Speaker 3: good practice is an unremarkable practice. It's the one where
Speaker 3: everything closed, everybody's moving fast, everybody knows their assignments.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I think is big to look
Speaker 3: for during these camps is for some of these younger
Speaker 3: players who haven't seen play at the NFL level, who
Speaker 3: looks like they belong, who very clearly from a height, weight, speed,
Speaker 3: movement perspective, is operating an NFL pace. Right Wally being
Speaker 3: an example of the cold last here is a third
Speaker 3: round pick out of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: You don't know if a third round pike is going
Speaker 2: to start or not, right, it's kind of on the border. Well,
Speaker 2: all the buzz was like this guy who is an nfler.
Speaker 2: We can tell right away he's playing an NFL speed.
Speaker 2: He's got the transitions we need to get, the physicality
Speaker 2: we need.
Speaker 3: This kind of belongs and he gets a bad injury
Speaker 3: there against the Ravens enjoying practice.
Speaker 2: You don't get to see him for a year.
Speaker 3: But as a guy like Halsey, you can watch Halsey run,
Speaker 3: watch him clicking clothes, make decisions. You can look at
Speaker 3: the sides in the frame of him. You can watch
Speaker 3: me in one on ones.
Speaker 2: Covering tight ends and see all right, I can see
Speaker 2: how this.
Speaker 3: Player is going to work on an NFL field. Then
Speaker 3: the second team guy comes on. You go, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can see this guy's a little bit small, a
Speaker 3: little bit not so quick. That's why you know, he's
Speaker 3: more on the backup side of things. And so a
Speaker 3: lot of it is just checking boxes. Are you guys
Speaker 3: getting into an out of your operations quickly enough?
Speaker 2: If you guys have the replesite physical tool cap to
Speaker 2: survive at the NFL level, and then you know, we'll.
Speaker 3: Get more serious about installing complex schemes and being able
Speaker 3: to work together the unit and to be a deeper
Speaker 3: and deeper week in the training camp into the season.
Speaker 1: Ben Solac joins us on x at Benjamin, so like, oh,
Speaker 1: lord man, you have one hundred and eighty thousand followers, Ben,
Speaker 1: Holy crap. Yeah, I bought most of them, Lord of mercy.
Speaker 1: Are they all bots? I have all bots? I think
Speaker 1: on mind, I think they're all porn bots. Anytime I
Speaker 1: mentioned like a porn reference, like I get all this
Speaker 1: recap it's weird, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a weird sight.
Speaker 4: No, it is, man, good job out of you, Ben Solac.
Speaker 1: We loved him back in the spring time, even more
Speaker 1: so right now on the anymore Automotive Group hootline. So
Speaker 1: here's what's weird to me about the coast defensively, and
Speaker 1: you were talking about the back end of that. They
Speaker 1: are built for success kind of backwards here and here's
Speaker 1: see if you follow me and then you can play
Speaker 1: off of this. So they have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: a lot of experience, and a lot of playmaking ability
Speaker 1: in the secondary. We know that especially on the corners
Speaker 1: up front where normally teams really make the offenses pay
Speaker 1: in consistent pressure. You have leatu La too. There's a
Speaker 1: lot in that first round selection, but there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of hope because they just haven't had that consistency
Speaker 1: of getting after the quarterback. Is this if this defensive
Speaker 1: situation holds up, Is this a philosophy you think that
Speaker 1: can make some waves defensively? Can you rely on your
Speaker 1: secondary more than you do the pressure you get up
Speaker 1: front in an NFL defense in this era?
Speaker 2: Yes to no.
Speaker 3: And this is something that's kind and you know, thought
Speaker 3: about and considered over the last several years. This team
Speaker 3: is still a little bit more in the secondary, a
Speaker 3: little bit less than the pass rush. The long and
Speaker 3: the short of it is Chris Ballard believes very strongly
Speaker 3: in his ability to identify a rushers and draft them
Speaker 3: and get functional play out of them on a rookie contract. Right,
Speaker 3: That's kind of always been his way. And so guys
Speaker 3: like you know what you pay was in the building,
Speaker 3: now he's gone. Deo Dango's in the building. Now he's gone.
Speaker 3: Why is that well? Because he believes in bringing along
Speaker 3: with out a lot too. And okay, you didn't get
Speaker 3: a lot from JP twomloaut your one, but Ballard's going
Speaker 3: to bound his ability to identify those players and to
Speaker 3: develop them and to get good.
Speaker 2: Play out of them.
Speaker 3: The standing is sure wide receiver, Right, why are Michael
Speaker 3: Pittman and that my Mitchell no longer colts?
Speaker 2: Well? Because we drafted and we developed out Piers.
Speaker 3: We drafted and we developed Josh Downs and we believe
Speaker 3: in our ability to bring those players along. And so
Speaker 3: to me, it's less about a larger NFL philosophy when
Speaker 3: it comes to the ways that the cults are approaching
Speaker 3: the edge rusher position, and more about Ballard thinking that
Speaker 3: he's able to find players at that spot who can
Speaker 3: be successful as round three, round four, round five.
Speaker 2: Six, because at edge they might be a little bit standing.
Speaker 3: Young and cheat deeps a tackle man. I mean, Default
Speaker 3: and Grover are two older and very experienced players, and
Speaker 3: rightfully so, because they, you know, they had to give
Speaker 3: it the tackle problems for a couple of years and
Speaker 3: they got a little bit more serious in that position
Speaker 3: with veterans, and so to me, it speaks the Ballads
Speaker 3: thought about the edge rusher position more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Ben Solight joins us. So does the Jeon Robertson deal
Speaker 1: have any impact on Jonathan Taylor around here in your estimation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, less than you might think, because Jon is a
Speaker 3: second contract running back, this is his first extension. JT
Speaker 3: is going to be a third contract running back, this
Speaker 3: will be his second extension.
Speaker 2: And so the j Keith deal.
Speaker 3: Gets measured a little bit more against Blake Dereck Henry's
Speaker 3: recent contract and Christian McCaffrey's recent contract because those guys
Speaker 3: got those deals in their late twenties and Jk's only
Speaker 3: twenty seven.
Speaker 2: He came in the league pretty young.
Speaker 3: But in general he's more gonna be measured against those
Speaker 3: guys relative to Bjon who's a younger player, Jamiir Gibbs,
Speaker 3: who's younger player now higher prize higher price. You know,
Speaker 3: Jon and Jamiir Gibbs pulling up the overall, like top
Speaker 3: ranking of the running back contract. Mart We've no still
Speaker 3: help JT. But if Taylor and Tar's agent go to
Speaker 3: the Colts and they say, well, Bejon just got you know,
Speaker 3: twenty two point five million per year on the extension
Speaker 3: or whatever it was, we want to come in above that,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a non starter because JT's done a
Speaker 3: different stage in his career than bees on it in
Speaker 3: terms of how he gets paid.
Speaker 1: So, Ben, my philosophy is this, I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: jack with anything long term given the Coult situation right now.
Speaker 4: And I want to get into the thirty.
Speaker 1: One million dollars they have in salary cap right now
Speaker 1: in just a second, because maybe you could utilize that.
Speaker 4: But would you.
Speaker 1: Agree with me on this, I mean, regarding Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 1: or anything else.
Speaker 4: I would not put.
Speaker 1: A lot of long term money into what appears to
Speaker 1: be right now a very short term improve it to
Speaker 1: us project.
Speaker 4: Would you agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me, And I've got to concern I
Speaker 3: no reporting on this, Like I was just there and
Speaker 3: I poked around it a little bit but I'm not
Speaker 3: really getting anything from anybody there. I remember how Ballard
Speaker 3: spoke about Taylor and his potential extension when the first
Speaker 3: time around, when he finished his rookie deal and it
Speaker 3: was time for him to get his first day contract,
Speaker 3: and that was at a time where nobody was paying
Speaker 3: running backs, and you know, got very contentious with the
Speaker 3: Colton with Taylor and obviously and all ended up coming
Speaker 3: together and he stayed.
Speaker 2: But Ballard sounded like one of these general managers who's
Speaker 2: very reticent.
Speaker 3: To pay running backs big money because you think that's
Speaker 3: the spot where you can be able to not be
Speaker 3: a little bit younger and a little bit cheaper. Well,
Speaker 3: here we are now a few years older. Johnathan Taylor's
Speaker 3: had over three hundred carried. He still last two years,
Speaker 3: so he's got where on his tires, And all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the tone is very different.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We were so excited I Johnathan Taylor were working on
Speaker 3: actively to the keep peace for us me the fact
Speaker 3: that bruship is different than it was back then, right,
Speaker 3: And so I think the enthusiasm for paying Taylor and
Speaker 3: giving him an extension on his third deal here to
Speaker 3: me is a reflection of how ownership feels about and
Speaker 3: less so than Ballot has complete changed his tune about
Speaker 3: the position.
Speaker 2: Again, that's just me reading Sea Leaves. That's not anything
Speaker 2: that I know for certain.
Speaker 3: With that said, because it's a later contract for Taylor,
Speaker 3: it's a third deal.
Speaker 2: You're looking at a deal that'll be like, right.
Speaker 3: Three years in length and probably only have guaranteed money
Speaker 3: for the first two.
Speaker 2: Years in it.
Speaker 3: And so I don't think you're in to see, you know,
Speaker 3: some massive long term extentiment back of the money that's
Speaker 3: that's for younger players, certainly not for a running back
Speaker 3: into his late twenties. And so whether they get it
Speaker 3: done or not, I don't expect big long term investment.
Speaker 3: I expect a big chunk of upfront money, and then
Speaker 3: there's going to be the ability to get out of
Speaker 3: the deal pretty quickly as the years go on.
Speaker 1: So min So Light joins us so thirty one million
Speaker 1: dollars they have in camp room. We saw Davian Clowney
Speaker 1: get signed by their arrival in Houston a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. I look at the edge rushing is needing
Speaker 1: some help.
Speaker 4: Maybe they don't view it that way.
Speaker 1: I look at the wide receiving position it needs some help.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't view what that way. What do you
Speaker 1: think the protocol is here? Because they do have money
Speaker 1: to spend, why have they not done it? Is something
Speaker 1: because you were talking about veterans not wanting to report
Speaker 1: right now. Is it something they will address or do
Speaker 1: they just simply put feel comfortable with the personnel that
Speaker 1: they have right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: I think that they have some big extensions potentially counting
Speaker 3: up with Jonathan Taylor, with Josh Down, So maybe they
Speaker 3: don't want to go around spending money until they know
Speaker 3: what they're going to do with some of those bigger deals.
Speaker 2: Getfore a fuckers up. Gevor Stewart is up?
Speaker 3: Any extensions even sign right now, you wouldn't expect to
Speaker 3: impact the twenty twenty six caps very much, not like
Speaker 3: they have any veteran holdouts to are demanding a pay
Speaker 3: raise for twenty twenty six and so you can tell me,
Speaker 3: all right, they're just kind of being careful with their
Speaker 3: money because they have some big extensions.
Speaker 2: They might sign.
Speaker 3: I do think that in general they're going to be
Speaker 3: a little bit cost cautious, just because they don't know
Speaker 3: if they're good or not.
Speaker 2: They don't know if Daniel Jones is back or not,
Speaker 2: and so there's a.
Speaker 3: You know't know if you're gonna be able to recapture
Speaker 3: that magic of last season, and then do you want
Speaker 3: to deal with a camp with your money?
Speaker 2: I would be interested in adding a veteran wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I do think that while I understand that they want
Speaker 3: to expand out Pierce's role, expand Josh Down's role, and
Speaker 3: then kind of run seat behind that, I still think
Speaker 3: that you could add another body to the action duel
Speaker 3: in Lookuan Treval, Nick Westbrook fifteen a group, and that
Speaker 3: feels like a very reasonable thing to do in the
Speaker 3: modern NFL.
Speaker 2: And Edge Rucker I agree. I think that you're gonna
Speaker 2: see what.
Speaker 3: You have with arden Key, you see what you have
Speaker 3: with Tuiamlaile, and then essentially add a guy as well.
Speaker 2: So they don't need thirty one million dollars. That's more
Speaker 2: money than they need to hold right now.
Speaker 3: I think, if anything, they're just being a little bit
Speaker 3: careful with their long term spending because they don't really
Speaker 3: know if they're going to be in a run at back,
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is healthy, Shane stikeens to go, We're gonna
Speaker 3: win twelve games again mode, or if.
Speaker 2: There gonna be in a shoot Daniel Jones isn't healthy.
Speaker 3: We're blowing it's up, we're firing everybody, and we're rebuilding
Speaker 3: sort of a mode, and so it's kind of just
Speaker 3: a little bit don't touch.
Speaker 2: Anything right now.
Speaker 1: So Ben personal p here, would you longer term Jonathan Taylor?
Speaker 1: Given the circumstances organizationally right now, with the general manager,
Speaker 1: with the head coach and this kind of prove it
Speaker 1: to everybody philosophy, would you do it?
Speaker 2: Sign up to a long term deal?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really good. I mean he's so good.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I like that because I would I wouldn't my plosively,
Speaker 1: I would not do it.
Speaker 4: Am I wrong in that? I would not.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put any extra money into anything, knowing, not
Speaker 1: knowing who is going.
Speaker 4: To lead this organization coming up next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's very fair, right I.
Speaker 3: So if you're if you're asking me from an ownership perspective, sure,
Speaker 3: then yeah, I think being cautious and then waiting on
Speaker 3: it is very defensible if you're asking me from Hey,
Speaker 3: if you're the general manager, if you're the one running
Speaker 3: the team, who are you paying, I'm paying Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 3: before I'm paying anybody else, Like You've just been the
Speaker 3: lifelout of my offense for for six years now at
Speaker 3: this point. If he's a highly dynamic runner, he was
Speaker 3: off at the player of the year until Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: went down last season.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a league.
Speaker 3: Leading back here, and so from a football perspective, obviously
Speaker 3: still buy juice left.
Speaker 2: I'd want to pay him.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to give him, you know, tons of
Speaker 3: guaranteed money twenty twenty nine, but I would want to
Speaker 3: pay him. From an ownership perspective, where you're thinking about
Speaker 3: maybe making a total head coaching general manager, a game
Speaker 3: team change next year, I understand.
Speaker 2: The renaissance to kind of punk future money on.
Speaker 4: A guy I've been so lucky with us.
Speaker 1: Before I'll let you go, I did want to ask
Speaker 1: you about a player that's not yet back out there.
Speaker 4: That is Alec Pearce.
Speaker 1: He got a substantial raise contractually from the Colts in
Speaker 1: the off season, and we saw him, you know, down
Speaker 1: the field yards per catch. I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: stretch the field type of guy. Are you confident he's
Speaker 1: going to be able to mature into the type of
Speaker 1: well rounded, wide receiver that that contract would equate to.
Speaker 3: It's a great question. I'm not confident I think he can.
Speaker 3: It's less like and I'm not like, yeah, ilive, you
Speaker 3: see it one hundred percent. The thing about Steichen's offense
Speaker 3: is that he has his receivers in very defined roles.
Speaker 2: In the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: The piers just did you know, he ran a very
Speaker 3: specific route tree, and so you have to do some
Speaker 3: projecting in order to say, yeah, he's gonna run a
Speaker 3: lot more outbreaking routes, a lot more quick breaking routes,
Speaker 3: and they're all going to be great.
Speaker 2: The amount of.
Speaker 3: Film on him doing that is very, very small, just
Speaker 3: because of the role that he had. What you do
Speaker 3: like and what you do feel really good about is,
Speaker 3: let's say Alex Pearce can't really emerge too much beyond
Speaker 3: the role that he's in.
Speaker 2: Let's say then that he doesn't have that evolution.
Speaker 3: Well, the role that he's in right now is you know,
Speaker 3: twenty two yards of reception.
Speaker 2: It's a hugely valuable role.
Speaker 3: Right They hit explosive plays, big plays, big gushdowns. That's
Speaker 3: better than say, if you like gave Josh downs a
Speaker 3: big extension, and then he couldn't grow out for being
Speaker 3: through me more than just a slot receiver. He is,
Speaker 3: and he's getting you like seven eight yards of pop.
Speaker 3: And so I do think that's a warranted vet on
Speaker 3: Piers to evolve and to grow, because even if.
Speaker 2: He doesn't evolve and grow, you still have a very
Speaker 2: highly paid explosive receipt.
Speaker 1: So Ben Solac right there, all right? You can find
Speaker 1: him on x at Benjamin Solac. You can find him
Speaker 1: on Instagram Benjamin dot Solac, TikTok Benjamin Solac.
Speaker 4: My man is multi media. Where are you off to next?
Speaker 2: Pal?
Speaker 3: I am currently somewhere between Cincinnati and Cleveland, and so
Speaker 3: I'll be a brown scamp in a few hours here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, So you've been talking to me while you're
Speaker 1: on the road right here? Have you seen anything interesting
Speaker 1: as you're yip yeffing to me on this show?
Speaker 2: Central Central Ohio? If that qualifies is interesting?
Speaker 1: That's my producer that you talked to you a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, calebsuver. You're from that general vicinity?
Speaker 4: Are you not? Cale? Get on here and talk to
Speaker 4: my man, Ben. Sorry, I'm sorry, man, it's a rough drive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's all right.
Speaker 3: That's that's the ticket these days. That's what we do
Speaker 3: to entrain a camp.
Speaker 4: Good lord, man.
Speaker 1: And then not only you got to go through this
Speaker 1: crappy drive, and then you got to stop in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Good god.
Speaker 2: That's what they bay me the big bug for.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you next time you're in town, you
Speaker 1: gotta come down. You gotta join me in a live
Speaker 1: show or something. We'll throw some cocktails down. You have
Speaker 1: a hell of a time.
Speaker 2: What do you think sounds good?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: As long as you're a drinker.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are now, I don't know
Speaker 1: too much about you, but we have a hell of
Speaker 1: a time on this show when we're out and about.
Speaker 4: Just so you know, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: That mean it's a good show.
Speaker 4: We'll get you.
Speaker 1: We're going to have you cut loose sometime here. Ben,
Speaker 1: here and Andy. Just let us know when you're here,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll let you have them, all right, Ben,
Speaker 1: thank you, Buddy, Ripe safely, Ben Solac right there on
Speaker 1: the Andy Moore Automotive Group pod line.
Speaker 4: The ride with JMV.
Speaker 2: Say, Man, you got a joint?
Speaker 1: Uh No, not on me. Man.
Speaker 4: It'd be a lot cooler if you.
Speaker 1: Did ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Texas, No Dame and IU. According
Speaker 1: to the coaches, Phil Steel's going to join us coming
Speaker 1: up on Friday, right.
Speaker 4: Talk to Phil about IU.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the scheduling, the scheduling and the Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: stuff which is absolutely ridiculous, which is normally as nine
Speaker 1: either side. Just keep it right here. We'll talk hoop
Speaker 1: and won't have to jack with the other crap. You
Speaker 1: have to jack with Brian Nubert, the new ad at Purdue.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Brian about that coming up at the
Speaker 1: top of the hour. Aces and Fever coming up on Thursday,
Speaker 1: that's at seven o'clock. Tidro has got you six thirty
Speaker 1: right here on Thursday, ninety three five and one oh
Speaker 1: seven five the Fan, but on the Andy Moore Automotive
Speaker 1: Group potline, joining us now in a kicking battle with
Speaker 1: Spinster s Traider and he was fantastic at the end
Speaker 1: of last season for sure. Blake Groupie joins us now
Speaker 1: again on the Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline. Hey Blake,
Speaker 1: thank you for the time. How are you can't complain?
Speaker 5: We're fresh out to practice fields out here. I think
Speaker 5: we're on day six. I think, so it's everything's going
Speaker 5: well and joined the energy and I'm ready to keep building.
Speaker 4: All right, knock on some wood here? Are you still perfect?
Speaker 2: I believe so?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully this conversation doesn't ruin that for you. But
Speaker 1: I can handle it because I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: the luckiest dude around anyway. Hey, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about your situation. It is rather interesting. You came in
Speaker 1: late last season and just absolutely caught fire a franchise
Speaker 1: record sixty yarder that could have been good even further.
Speaker 1: I think in Seattle, if you go back and watch
Speaker 1: the tape on that, what's your feeling right now going
Speaker 1: into a competition, Blake, and especially a competition with somebody
Speaker 1: you know so well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, I think my mindset is I
Speaker 5: feel like I have a good mindset, like my you know,
Speaker 5: I'm in again spot here. I I really enjoying, you know,
Speaker 5: building with these guys and with Luke and Rigo and
Speaker 5: the whole rest of the team. I mean, that's what
Speaker 5: it's all about here at training camp, you know. But
Speaker 5: I would say that, you know, just you know, going
Speaker 5: into the competition. It's, you know, we know the nature
Speaker 5: of it. I guess as a as a kicker, and
Speaker 5: and uh, how slim the margins are. So it's you know,
Speaker 5: you got to go out and put your best foot
Speaker 5: forward every day. Yeah, you got five weeks of camp
Speaker 5: and only a handful of practices and preseason games that
Speaker 5: make your mark, So you uh like to go out
Speaker 5: there and show you can do that.
Speaker 4: Just blake groopy with us.
Speaker 1: There are not a lot of career circumstances in which
Speaker 1: you feel you have to be perfect. This is certainly
Speaker 1: your career choice is one of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5: It's a uh, you know, we all know what we're
Speaker 5: signing up for when it when it comes to the
Speaker 5: kicking in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: So it's, uh, you know that.
Speaker 5: The standards the standard, and and guys are only getting
Speaker 5: better around here. So we're gonna, you know, keep putting
Speaker 5: through the uprights and and uh, you know, keep preparing
Speaker 5: for the season.
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this, in your opinion, is
Speaker 1: there any ron nor reason to why you can be
Speaker 1: perfect as of right now? How you can look so
Speaker 1: good at the end of last year, but also go
Speaker 1: into with your final season New Orleans a funk, because
Speaker 1: here's what I'm considering, and you can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. You're getting used to operationally speaking your guys
Speaker 1: and being out there, but you were thrust into it
Speaker 1: late in the season to where you were getting used
Speaker 1: to things on the fly. And I'm assuming you were
Speaker 1: also used to the folks around you late in.
Speaker 4: Your stance in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: So is there any run or reason as to why
Speaker 1: you can get into and then out of a funk
Speaker 1: or be nearly perfect, if not perfect, so easily in
Speaker 1: the game of place kicking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's a lot that goes into it,
Speaker 5: you know, being being with a you know, a veteran
Speaker 5: operation here with Luke and Rego and and guys that
Speaker 5: that really, you know, truly work well together, and you know,
Speaker 5: are going to make it forty easy to me as
Speaker 5: easy on me as possible. You know, I've always felt that,
Speaker 5: you know, I go out here and do my thing,
Speaker 5: and when I can, you know, I can control it.
Speaker 5: I can do what I can do, control what I
Speaker 5: can control, and and the rest, you know, take care
Speaker 5: of itself. So, uh, you know, I've been in a
Speaker 5: good little groove you know when I was in the
Speaker 5: good groove and in training camp last year as well,
Speaker 5: And there's just there's so much that goes into it
Speaker 5: at our position, and so you know, I really you know,
Speaker 5: stuck to my stuck to my guns and trusted myself
Speaker 5: and my routine and and uh, you know it paid
Speaker 5: off last year. But every years of New Year, you
Speaker 5: got to go out and put the work in and
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, earn it every single year.
Speaker 1: How's your relationship with Spencer given the fact you guys
Speaker 1: know one another so well, yet you're competing for the
Speaker 1: same professional gig here, it's been it's.
Speaker 5: Been doing good that you can't can't ask for anything,
Speaker 5: you know, I better got to go against you got
Speaker 5: to You got a guy that I've known for you know.
Speaker 2: Two or three years now.
Speaker 5: Uh unfortunately, you know we're little Irish on Irish action
Speaker 5: out here in Indianapolis here, but uh yeah, you know state,
Speaker 5: he's a great guy. I couldn't ask for anybody better
Speaker 5: to do against. And and I know it's gonna be
Speaker 5: a high level competition and and I don't have to
Speaker 5: bring my best every single day.
Speaker 1: That is Blake Groopy with us. He joins us via
Speaker 1: the Andy More Automotive Group hotline. Perfect so far in
Speaker 1: camp and Westfield. What's your operation? Like, what are the
Speaker 1: dudes and the don'ts for you? Pre kick, pre snap?
Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, you don't really worry about the don'ts. You
Speaker 5: just worry about the dudes. I okay, that's the first one.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, I have a routine, whether you know,
Speaker 5: all the way from whether it's you know, in a practice,
Speaker 5: setting my warm up and then working itself into getting
Speaker 5: ready for practice, or whether it's coming from the sideline
Speaker 5: on a game. You know, it's all it's all different.
Speaker 5: Everybody has a set of routines that kind of works
Speaker 5: for them. So I just kind of, you know, go one,
Speaker 5: check the boxes off, work to my routine, and and
Speaker 5: I know when I uncomfortable and I've worked through that
Speaker 5: routine that you know, usually good things happen.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of five seven, one fifty six dudes
Speaker 1: of the NFL roaming around, are there.
Speaker 2: No, there's not too many. But I'll hold it down
Speaker 2: for the rest of them.
Speaker 1: I'm going to I have nicknamed you the pony Keg
Speaker 1: because I kind of yeah, I just well, I know
Speaker 1: it's weird, but Uh so powder keg is what you
Speaker 1: are as a kicker, because I don't know where you
Speaker 1: find it, brother, but you find it, you find the power.
Speaker 1: So that's part of the powder keg and the culture,
Speaker 1: the pony part of it too. I would guess this.
Speaker 1: You come from a not so huge community in Missouri.
Speaker 1: To me, you've probably been proving it to everybody either
Speaker 1: that questions, your stature, your abilities are all the way
Speaker 1: around your entire life, and this is probably just right
Speaker 1: another step in that process.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I I honestly agree. I you know, nothing
Speaker 5: about the position I'm in is new to me, you know,
Speaker 5: I've that's just kind of the way I've I've found
Speaker 5: my way throughout the years is kind of working through
Speaker 5: it and h.
Speaker 2: And find my way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Let's just I guess, kind of tying it into what
Speaker 5: what Carly's messages this year is everything's about find a way. So,
Speaker 5: you know, going from a walk on and to Arkansas
Speaker 5: State to you know, playing starting there for four years
Speaker 5: and transferring their name going undrafted. I mean, it's just
Speaker 5: kind of part of my story is coming to going
Speaker 5: against the odds, and so that's just kind of the
Speaker 5: position I found myself in and and if you want
Speaker 5: to have some success, you don't really you don't really
Speaker 5: have a choice.
Speaker 2: So it's part of it.
Speaker 5: You're out here, uh, you know, trying to make it
Speaker 5: happen and trying to help the team.
Speaker 1: I would I would guess that this is just how
Speaker 1: you're bill Once you found when did you find out
Speaker 1: at what point of what age that you were built
Speaker 1: to prove people wrong like this? When did you discover that,
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 5: I mean, I would say twenty twenty nineteen in college
Speaker 5: is kind of my first year of having some success
Speaker 5: and and seeing it kind of pay off. But I
Speaker 5: mean I've along the way, I've I've messed it up
Speaker 5: just as many times as I've done it right. And
Speaker 5: and that's part of learning process. So as long as
Speaker 5: you're you know, continuing to uh to you know, add
Speaker 5: your add your repertoire and continue to get better and
Speaker 5: work through those situations you know, just still make the
Speaker 5: same mistake twice and and uh, you know, continue to build,
Speaker 5: continue to better yourself and and try to set yourself
Speaker 5: up for to, uh you know, have success.
Speaker 1: Blake Groupie joins us He's on the Andy morro aut
Speaker 1: a motive group hotline. So when you joined the team
Speaker 1: last year, and especially when you found that success, I
Speaker 1: became I don't this can't be original.
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a groupie groupie. Have you had those before? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've heard it.
Speaker 2: I've heard that a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, groupie groupie.
Speaker 1: That is me and a lot of the listeners right here,
Speaker 1: because you look at the effect you had on this
Speaker 1: team that was searching late in the season situationally speaking,
Speaker 1: it was it was profound and as you mentioned, you
Speaker 1: were just trying to thrust right into it, but got
Speaker 1: the job done and got the job done right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was you. I was excited, uh coming
Speaker 5: up here and coming to a team that you know,
Speaker 5: we're well, we were buildings, were trying to make the playoffs,
Speaker 5: trying to trying to get it rolling. So I was
Speaker 5: just trying to, you know, do my part and uh
Speaker 5: and at the end of the day, just set up
Speaker 5: the team for success. You know, we we have a
Speaker 5: big role, but it's also a small one at the
Speaker 5: same time. So anything that I can do to help
Speaker 5: anybody else, regardless that it's on the field off the field,
Speaker 5: you just try to come in and and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: do your thing and and uh be there for the team.
Speaker 4: Does the game slow down for you when you go
Speaker 4: out there and kick? Does it do?
Speaker 1: Do you try to slow it down yourself or at least
Speaker 1: your mindset your frame of mind to slow it down,
Speaker 1: to make sure you're as comfortable as possible during that process.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you can. There's there's things you can
Speaker 5: do to prepare it. So it's all in preparation. So
Speaker 5: you know, you just go into it. You you you know,
Speaker 5: work throughout the week and and familiarize yourself with everything
Speaker 5: and the conditions and the stadium, there's everything. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of little stuff that goes into kicking and so
Speaker 5: but that's our job to take you know, take uh,
Speaker 5: you know, advantage of opportunities and and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: account for all that stuff. So it's uh, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just in the job description. You come up and
Speaker 5: get comfortable in the in situations where nobody else is
Speaker 5: so part of it.
Speaker 1: Is there any place where you would rather not kick,
Speaker 1: just the place you don't like or have never liked?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's definitely a few out there that are
Speaker 5: more difficult than others. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: you only got a choice, so you got to go
Speaker 5: out there and uh and and make it happen.
Speaker 1: When you were in high school or you that are football,
Speaker 1: baseball or soccer?
Speaker 5: Uh definitely not baseball.
Speaker 4: Uh Uh positions what positions?
Speaker 2: Second baseman?
Speaker 4: O boy?
Speaker 2: Okay, we were, We were a role player there.
Speaker 5: But uh, soccer soccer wise in Missouri, soccer football balls
Speaker 5: both in the fall. So I would go to soccer
Speaker 5: practice and play throughout the week and they'll kick a
Speaker 5: couple of balls on Thursday afternoon and play on Fridays.
Speaker 5: So it Uh, we made all state and balls. So
Speaker 5: it's hard to pick it to and uh, but you know,
Speaker 5: we decided to go to football route, and I'd say
Speaker 5: it's paid off.
Speaker 4: What choices did you have collegiately and soccer, Blake?
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, it was mostly a bunch of you know,
Speaker 5: smaller schools, you know, some P two s and some
Speaker 5: you know, not not base schools. Definitely not Division one
Speaker 5: for soccer. But I took that one division on one,
Speaker 5: uh walk on offer and and ran with it.
Speaker 4: Did you enjoy the World Cup?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 5: It was it was fun, you know, connecting with you know,
Speaker 5: watching your friends and your family that are I guess
Speaker 5: not a fan more friends but that you know aren't
Speaker 5: aren't digging to soccer and watching them kind of get
Speaker 5: around on it and uh and and really starts to
Speaker 5: pay attention.
Speaker 2: That's always fun. This is yeah, this is ay good
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 4: This is Blake griffing with us.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna let you run here in a second,
Speaker 1: but I want to ask you about Sedalia, Missouri. That
Speaker 1: is your hometown, correct, Yes, ragtime music? Is that what
Speaker 1: it's most noted for? Did I looked that up accurately?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some U.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember learning about that. You know, rag time
Speaker 5: it started Scott joppling all that, and so yeah, that's
Speaker 5: that's one of the that's one of the prizes to that.
Speaker 4: So did you grow up a Missouri fan?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, My home founds about an hour from Columbia,
Speaker 5: So I grew up from the Zoo fan and and
Speaker 5: uh cheering on the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: So but those days are over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well let me yeah, no, douell, yeah, big time over.
Speaker 1: Let me say this though, I believe I saw this,
Speaker 1: that there is a former wrestler that I absolutely loved
Speaker 1: back in the day.
Speaker 4: That is from your hometown. His name is Ox Baker.
Speaker 1: You hear that name from your hometown, the wrestling that was, And.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this, Blake.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're much younger than I am, but he
Speaker 1: was a big deal around here in Indianapolis. He was
Speaker 1: a big deal wrestling wise, back when, back when I
Speaker 1: was growing up. But no, that's that's cool as hell
Speaker 1: to see that. Hey, congratulations. Now, I don't want to mention,
Speaker 1: but I also had Matt gay On a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, uh, during training camp. So that's why I
Speaker 1: want you to knock on wood when you're done with
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that you're superstitious. Maybe you are, maybe
Speaker 1: your aren't, but make sure you cover We want to
Speaker 1: cover our asses here, Okay, So knock on some wood
Speaker 1: when you're done with this.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll be just I'll be just good. Fine,
Speaker 5: I'll control it. I can, so I'll be all right.
Speaker 4: I had a guy.
Speaker 1: Hey, we appreciate you, We really like watching you your
Speaker 1: fun and certainly congratulations on what you've accomplished so far.
Speaker 4: And keep on keeping on.
Speaker 5: Brother, Yes, sir, we'll be really craciure to happening.
Speaker 1: You got it's Blake groupie right there, the Anymore Auto
Speaker 1: Motive group potline five six five seven one fifty six.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's something that we had talked about.
Speaker 1: And obviously the groupie groupie and the nickname stuff is
Speaker 1: is all.
Speaker 4: Kind of silliness by me.
Speaker 1: But you could tell one thing and one thing about
Speaker 1: the actually two things you could tell you guys are ready.
Speaker 1: You could tell that there haven't been a lot of
Speaker 1: in depth conversations about him in his life, which is fine,
Speaker 1: But you can also tell with that that's all business.
Speaker 1: And that's how it has to be in a competition.
Speaker 1: In a situation like that, it has to be all business.
Speaker 1: You're not even a member of the team. This is
Speaker 1: not even competition against the opposition as it was at
Speaker 1: the end of last year. This is competition against the
Speaker 1: guy that you've known and kicking for a special teams
Speaker 1: coach and Brian Mason that you know.
Speaker 4: So that is all business and that's.
Speaker 1: The approach, honestly, that is the approach that is necessary
Speaker 1: across the board for the colts that are trying to
Speaker 1: accomplish some things that simply put, they have not accomplished.
Speaker 1: The results have not been there. That's the tact to
Speaker 1: take on the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. There's going
Speaker 1: to be a new ad on the inbound in Wesselafayette,
Speaker 1: and we knew we had to go to somebody that
Speaker 1: would know a lot about that. Brian Nubert of Golden
Speaker 1: Black is on the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. Before
Speaker 1: I get into that, Brian, I didn't want to ask
Speaker 1: you about the summertime with the hoops program of Matt Painter.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts here or there regarding that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Sean. Happy to have Tom suck the life
Speaker 2: right out of your show the way you do to
Speaker 2: other people. Yeah. I was actually in Vancouver for all
Speaker 2: four games, so I think I incredibly What speak on that?
Speaker 1: What did you gather that is it's a difference or
Speaker 1: by comparison, maybe some similarities from what Boilermaker basketball fans
Speaker 1: can expect this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no similarities. The coach is the same. Other than that,
Speaker 2: I think this is an entirely different Predu team. I
Speaker 2: think they're much more guard oriented. They're not quite as
Speaker 2: strong and physical in the front court. Rebounding goes from
Speaker 2: being a pretty reliable strength to being a very clear question.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be a higher pressure defensive team.
Speaker 2: I think they might be a little bit more up
Speaker 2: tempo offensively, which isn't to say they necessarily played slow
Speaker 2: before by design. But I think they're still going to
Speaker 2: shoot a lot of threes. They're just not going to
Speaker 2: play to the post quite as much. I think he
Speaker 2: got some really good young guards on that roster, and
Speaker 2: they a few of them played really really well in Canada.
Speaker 2: Jakari Harris, Antoine West two people haven't seen yet unless
Speaker 2: they were watching those games in Canada. I think omer
Speaker 2: Meyer is poised to potentially be one of the breakout
Speaker 2: players in the Big Ten, if not college basketball. So
Speaker 2: I just think this pretty team runs much more to
Speaker 2: the back court as opposed to the to the front court,
Speaker 2: which is kind of a little bit of a departure
Speaker 2: from where produce has been pretty much the past decade.
Speaker 1: Brian Nubert with US Antwin West reminds you of anybody
Speaker 1: in particular.
Speaker 2: He's got a little each one more in him. Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's long, he's smooth, he can create
Speaker 2: space for himself, he can score off the dribble, he
Speaker 2: can get to the basket, he can shoot Breeze seems
Speaker 2: to really be invested defensively, which maybe each one more
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as much until later in his career. But
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy comparison to make. I think
Speaker 2: they've got the same bodies. I think they got the
Speaker 2: same skill sets. Whether or not he can have that
Speaker 2: kind of career or not is a pretty big question
Speaker 2: and a pretty big standard to hold him to.
Speaker 1: Has Matt Painter ever coached up a team that is
Speaker 1: a symbol quite like this one?
Speaker 2: Well, you go back to twenty what was it twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen when that team was built around Carson Edwards and
Speaker 2: Ryan Klin and a bunch of complimentary pieces. They shot
Speaker 2: a lot of threes and did it very well. They
Speaker 2: had a big, tall pick and roll big man and
Speaker 2: Matt Arms the way they do kind of right now,
Speaker 2: and Daniel Jacobson shot blockers. I think that's probably the
Speaker 2: best comparison to make. That team came after Purdue lost
Speaker 2: Vince Edwards and Caleb Swan again and Dakota Matthias and PJ.
Speaker 2: Thompson and Isaac Coss and it was complete. It was
Speaker 2: like a complete reboot, and that team won the Big
Speaker 2: Ten by three games, and should have gone to the
Speaker 2: final four. So you know, Matt Painters got a pretty
Speaker 2: good recker to kind of recreating himself on the fly
Speaker 2: and kind of figuring things out. This is going to
Speaker 2: be another one of those challenges.
Speaker 1: Ryan Numer joins us Golden Black Illustrated. He's on the
Speaker 1: Andy Moro Auto Motive Group pole line. I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you this and then move on, obviously to the
Speaker 1: new ad conversation. And I'm sure Matt will appreciate me asking.
Speaker 4: But is PJ. Thompson the air apparent here in Wesselafia?
Speaker 2: Things would have to go sideways in a pretty big way.
Speaker 2: I think for or whoever is the new AD or
Speaker 2: whoever's the AD at the time, that that decision has
Speaker 2: to be made unless they do something to sidetrack that.
Speaker 2: That would certainly, certainly, absolutely positively be my guess. And
Speaker 2: he's going to be a star. I mean, he's kind
Speaker 2: of got it all. So I think you have the
Speaker 2: best of Matt Painter in him, a more perhaps modernized
Speaker 2: version of Matt Painter someday down the road. And I
Speaker 2: think Matt Painter has done a pretty good job keeping
Speaker 2: himself modern, even though his kind of older school principles
Speaker 2: have never really been compromised. I think that is obviously
Speaker 2: the path this is headed in, But I think that
Speaker 2: decision is a long way off, and a lot of
Speaker 2: things can happen in a long way off. So but
Speaker 2: as of right now, that would seem like the direction
Speaker 2: everything's pointing board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of wanted that, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: the reason why I know it's still a long way
Speaker 1: down the road. But let's just say, for example, that
Speaker 1: Tommy McClellan is, indeed has been reported the next ad
Speaker 1: at Purdue.
Speaker 4: I want to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times we see this Brian specific
Speaker 1: reasons behind the higher you know, maybe it's for football
Speaker 1: that direction, for basketball that direction. Maybe it's fundraising with
Speaker 1: that in mind, you know, to benefit to raise the
Speaker 1: bar on nil which is important right now as to
Speaker 1: what categories would this hire cover from your.
Speaker 2: Angle, revenue, fundraising, the financial aspect of the college sports
Speaker 2: world nowadays, which obviously is very, very complicated and a
Speaker 2: bit of a challenge for a place like that doesn't
Speaker 2: have the market share that maybe a lot of other
Speaker 2: places do. You know, everybody wants football fixed, obviously, but
Speaker 2: this is a different situation. You know, when Mike Keavinski
Speaker 2: came in ten years ago, he fixed football immediately. As
Speaker 2: it turned out, a really really bad hire occurred a
Speaker 2: few years later that basically set it back to zero.
Speaker 2: And that's what everybody judges him on. And that's what
Speaker 2: people are judging Purdu on right now. Everybody wants to
Speaker 2: fix football. This isn't a situation like Pavinski came into
Speaker 2: where you kind of knew that he was coming in
Speaker 2: to fire Daryl Hazel and then hired the next guy,
Speaker 2: Tommy McClelland and herit's Barry otom that could be the
Speaker 2: fix for all we know. I think one year is
Speaker 2: not enough to judge a college football higher anymore, even
Speaker 2: though the landscape has changed very much. So for all
Speaker 2: we know, this might work in the long run, and
Speaker 2: Tommy McClellan might not have to make any profound change
Speaker 2: to the football program, which is really the way you
Speaker 2: want it. You don't want to have to be changing
Speaker 2: coaches every couple of years and losing your whole roster
Speaker 2: and then you know, getting in that vicious cycle of
Speaker 2: portal guys every single year and whatnot. But football is
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that has to turn around. But I
Speaker 2: think that the revenue piece of it sure seems based
Speaker 2: on biographical parameters, that that's why this hire was made.
Speaker 2: I can't claim to be an expert on Tommy McClelland
Speaker 2: quite yet. We'll learn more in the days to come.
Speaker 2: I've just read its biography. I know he did a
Speaker 2: great job at Rice raising revenue, but Rice is a
Speaker 2: very different world than Purdue. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: what he did at Rice was attracting media revenue and
Speaker 2: TV revenue. The Big Ten's got a billion dollar media package,
Speaker 2: so that's not really that might not be an open
Speaker 2: valve of potential revenue at Purdue the same way it
Speaker 2: was at Rice. So he's going to have to figure
Speaker 2: out a way to bring in as million dollars as possible.
Speaker 2: Wall football, which obviously is the biggest revenue draw of
Speaker 2: all your sports, is kind of still in the wilderness here.
Speaker 2: So I'd say football and revenue, those two things cannot
Speaker 2: be divorced from one another. They are kind of one
Speaker 2: and the same. And so chicken our egg, I guess.
Speaker 2: But you got to get football right, and you've got
Speaker 2: to bring in as much money as possible. So I
Speaker 2: think that those had to have been the two hot
Speaker 2: buttons above all others as produ made the hire.
Speaker 1: Brian Nuber of Go to Black Go to Black dot
Speaker 1: COM's on Andy Moore Automotive Group plotline, and the report
Speaker 1: is that Rice ad Tommy McClellan has emerged as the
Speaker 1: target and ultimately the higher as the next athletic director
Speaker 1: for Purdue. How much has the success with the football
Speaker 1: program of Limington impacted the thought process in West Lafayette.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it has among produced decision makers.
Speaker 2: I would hope it hasn't, because you're not replicating that
Speaker 2: and it's an unreasonable standard. I think what it is
Speaker 2: as a reminder that amazing things happen. But if it
Speaker 2: was easy to go find amazing things, somebody would have hired,
Speaker 2: you know, Kurtzignetti long before he got his first head
Speaker 2: coaching job. If that makes any sense, I think fans,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's probably a bit of a
Speaker 2: mind drivers, for lack of a better term, for Purdue fans,
Speaker 2: as is understandable to see things go the way they've
Speaker 2: gone at IU, when things have gone the way they've
Speaker 2: gone for Purdue ever since Ryan Walters was hired and
Speaker 2: some of the head to head embarrassment instead have occurred
Speaker 2: between the two schools. But I think it's it's a
Speaker 2: reminder that things can turn fast in college football nowadays,
Speaker 2: but expecting that to happen really isn't something that people
Speaker 2: who are making decisions on this stuff ought to be
Speaker 2: thinking is realistic, and that they can just push the
Speaker 2: right combination of buttons and it happens for you. I
Speaker 2: think what Kurtz Signetti did at IU this past year
Speaker 2: is something we may never see again in college sports.
Speaker 2: It was I mean, it was the proverbial fairy tale,
Speaker 2: and all the credit in the world to Indiana for
Speaker 2: making it happen and supporting it and you know, funding
Speaker 2: it and finding the right guy when you know, truth
Speaker 2: be told. A lot of schools if you hire the
Speaker 2: sixty year old guy who waited until that staged his
Speaker 2: career from James Madison to get his first real head
Speaker 2: coaching job at this level, fans would a freak. And
Speaker 2: I think you got to give Ius administration a lot
Speaker 2: of credit for having the courage to not feel like
Speaker 2: they had to win the press conference by making a
Speaker 2: you know, splashy, hot, sexy higher and just hiring the
Speaker 2: guy they believed in and had a lot of substance
Speaker 2: to them, and they just had a good feeling about
Speaker 2: A lot of schools would have been, you know, put
Speaker 2: off by by hiring what could have been perceived as
Speaker 2: an unexciting hire, settling for mediocrity, as social media probably
Speaker 2: would have put it. So credit to I you for that.
Speaker 2: But I don't think any school out there should be
Speaker 2: saying we need to go find our Kurt Signetti, because
Speaker 2: I don't know if that'll ever have up it again.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it considering i U football and the history.
Speaker 1: It's the higher of the century, is it not?
Speaker 4: I mean, among.
Speaker 2: Highers, what's higher than century?
Speaker 1: I don't know of a lifetime of a lot of millennia.
Speaker 1: You'd have to you're much smarter than maybe you have
Speaker 1: to tell me. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: there's never been a higher like that considering the circumstances, uh, eternity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is, because well, what do you.
Speaker 2: Do that's better than that have happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I am Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, now you got me all crossed up because I'm
Speaker 1: not too bright in general, So now I'm all screwed up.
Speaker 2: But no, I was going to suck the life out
Speaker 2: of your show. John.
Speaker 1: I know, well I do a good job of that
Speaker 1: on a daily basis myself. I I just don't think
Speaker 1: you see I even said, is that if they were
Speaker 1: to go back to back that it still wouldn't be
Speaker 1: like it what I was in that stadium in South
Speaker 1: Florida in January, and it was the most surreal moment
Speaker 1: I've ever I've ever been a part of true story,
Speaker 1: I'll bet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just it's something you make movies about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I yeah. And again there's nothing you ever going
Speaker 4: to live up to that.
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, so Barry Odom and his
Speaker 1: expectations in year two, what do you set the bar?
Speaker 2: Well, they got to be better, obviously, they got to
Speaker 2: win more games, just to show people that this is
Speaker 2: moving in a positive direction. I think Purdue was good
Speaker 2: enough to win four games last year, And had they Purdue,
Speaker 2: people be looking at Purdue a little bit differently because
Speaker 2: you would have beaten Minnesota and Rutgers. One play decided
Speaker 2: both of those games. Two bad decisions by the quarterback
Speaker 2: decided those games basically, And had you won those two games,
Speaker 2: you know you can say, hey, we didn't win a
Speaker 2: Big ten game for two years, and now we just
Speaker 2: won two and we won four games total, and it's
Speaker 2: something at least now, I think you need to with
Speaker 2: the schedule they got, I think you need to get
Speaker 2: a couple of wins here. If not, you know, flirt
Speaker 2: with playing important games at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the standard produced up against right now,
Speaker 2: because things bottomed out obviously under Walter's in that second year,
Speaker 2: and you know Barry Otem. You know, the thing is
Speaker 2: with barr Otam is he didn't get in year one
Speaker 2: the punch you hope to get from a coach who
Speaker 2: can bring some of his guys from his previous stop,
Speaker 2: kind of way Kurtzignetti did. Barryotein brought a lot of
Speaker 2: his staff with him. He let a couple of those
Speaker 2: guys go after one year. So I think the continuity
Speaker 2: punch you get from a new coach sometime was kind
Speaker 2: of forfeited. Maybe not forfeited, because forfeited in fors it
Speaker 2: was done voluntarily. It was forsaken, it was lost, it
Speaker 2: didn't materialize. So that's a little bit disappointing from the
Speaker 2: big picture of view. Of produced football program right now.
Speaker 2: But you got some guys back. You had a pretty
Speaker 2: decent sophomore class last year that didn't really give you
Speaker 2: a lot of wins in year one, but a lot
Speaker 2: of those guys are back now, So that's something to
Speaker 2: kind of hold on to and something to point two.
Speaker 2: Perhaps they learned some lessons here in year one that
Speaker 2: that can materialize into something positive this year. Maybe the
Speaker 2: portal class is a little bit better this year than
Speaker 2: it was last year. I think they were scrambling more
Speaker 2: last year than they were this year. They had less
Speaker 2: of a plan last year than they did this year.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's kind of every college team in
Speaker 2: the country right now. You just kind of flipped that
Speaker 2: coin in the air with the portal and you just hope,
Speaker 2: like hell, it ends up on heads. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what Purdue's got to got to go up against.
Speaker 2: But they need Ryan Brown, you know, to justify Purdue's
Speaker 2: unwavering belief in him. They brought him back for year
Speaker 2: two as a starter without really adding any viable competition
Speaker 2: for him. So bury Otum, I think kind of stuck
Speaker 2: his neck out a little bit there, so that needs
Speaker 2: to payoff. And then they just need to block, tackle, catch,
Speaker 2: all the fundamental stuff in football that you know sounds obvious,
Speaker 2: but it's so hard for a lot of places, you know,
Speaker 2: to actually execute. Perdue among them, Purdue has been one
Speaker 2: of the most fundamentally unsound football teams in college football
Speaker 2: for four years now. Even when they were winning under
Speaker 2: Jeff Brohm, tackling and you know, discipline and things like
Speaker 2: that weren't necessarily strengths. So it's got to start with
Speaker 2: the most fundamental things. And it's just kind of where
Speaker 2: Purdue is right now. They're back to the bottom and
Speaker 2: just got to work your way up.
Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, what's the biggest boiler Maker football misstep since
Speaker 1: Joe Tiller?
Speaker 2: People get me at me when I say this, but
Speaker 2: they never should have broken the pillar line. At the time,
Speaker 2: you had continu egoing, you hadn't established blueprint going, you
Speaker 2: were respected as a program. They should have promoted Brocks
Speaker 2: back from within. They went out, They hired Danny Hope
Speaker 2: to come in, and that really really went more sideways
Speaker 2: than people even know. People look at the records and
Speaker 2: they look, you know, mediocre, but they didn't understand how
Speaker 2: broken that organization was. When they just completely divorced themselves
Speaker 2: basically from Pillar. I mean, there was one guy you
Speaker 2: could have brought in from the outside who would have
Speaker 2: taken that job under the circumstances that Danny Hope took
Speaker 2: that job, and it was Danny Hope, So it was perdue.
Speaker 2: Wanted somebody cheap, they wanted somebody they thought they could control,
Speaker 2: and things like that. It was just a just a
Speaker 2: really really ill conceived higher from the jump, and that
Speaker 2: that didn't necessarily destroy the program moving forward. It just
Speaker 2: set a really bad It just set them off course
Speaker 2: and you have to fire him after a couple of years,
Speaker 2: and you hired Daryl Hazel, which was another bad hire.
Speaker 2: And then Mike Mginski comes in hires Jeff Brohm. That's
Speaker 2: a smashing success, but you always knew he was leaving
Speaker 2: for Louisville, which is a matter of when, and then
Speaker 2: you make a bad hire. And Ryan Walters follow that
Speaker 2: one up. But I think the spiral started with produced
Speaker 2: succession plan for Joe Killer. They didn't want to go
Speaker 2: out on the open market and hire somebody who would
Speaker 2: have leverage on them from a contractful standpoint, so they
Speaker 2: went out and hired somebody who would work very cheap
Speaker 2: and would relish the opportunity to move to the top
Speaker 2: of the pile when he had nessillily earned it. So
Speaker 2: that sounds mean of me to say, but I think
Speaker 2: that is the absolute God's honest truth as somebody who
Speaker 2: was there every day seeing it.
Speaker 1: Now, that's why we have you on here too, because
Speaker 1: you had that particular inside you mentioned a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier that again on the inbound for the next Athletic Directors,
Speaker 1: reported Tommy McClelland. And the reason why he's here is
Speaker 1: how impactful he can be at fundraising. Where has Purdue.
Speaker 4: Been and are they on the.
Speaker 1: Upswing, especially considering this higher in terms of NIL and
Speaker 1: fundraising in general, knowing the college athletics landscape we're in
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I can't claim to be an expert
Speaker 2: on their John Purdue Club situation things like that, but
Speaker 2: I know Purdue has has been trying to max out
Speaker 2: as many revenue streams as possible, or as long as
Speaker 2: Mike and Vinski has been at Purdue, they're spending you know,
Speaker 2: at a pretty high level relative to their history, relative
Speaker 2: to their means. They've been in the black every year.
Speaker 2: Next year will be dicey with the extra money you're
Speaker 2: paying the athletes now. But I think there's gonna be
Speaker 2: some university relief coming in that regard. So from a
Speaker 2: fundraising perspective, you know, Purdue didn't dominate the NIL world
Speaker 2: the way a lot of other places did, who probably
Speaker 2: had their networks up and running long before NIL was
Speaker 2: a thing. Purdue, you know, is a different kind of culture,
Speaker 2: and you know, breaking it for better and worse. And
Speaker 2: I think, you know, people get mad at me too
Speaker 2: for saying this, is that I think Purdue, the Purdue
Speaker 2: community had to kind of get dragged into the Nile world.
Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody wants to blame the fans
Speaker 2: for them being a little bit behind in that regard.
Speaker 2: But NIL worked for basketball, It helped basketball, it hurt football.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, the money Purdue had for football,
Speaker 2: a bad coach fritter away. It's like to see in
Speaker 2: Dumb and Dumber when he takes their last few dollars
Speaker 2: and goes by beer and that tin wheel and that
Speaker 2: big foam hat. That was kind of the way produced
Speaker 2: football coaches when they had nil. Ryan Walters and his
Speaker 2: staff specifically, that's how that that kind of went for them.
Speaker 2: Is they had money, they just didn't use it wisely.
Speaker 2: Did they have more money than other people? They did not.
Speaker 2: Did they have enough money to keep Nick Gorton from
Speaker 2: going to Texas A and M for six hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty grand at the time, which was a bargain. No,
Speaker 2: they did not. But I think, you know, Purdue has
Speaker 2: been trying to, you know, square off every dollar they
Speaker 2: possibly can, and it's just it's kind of a challenge
Speaker 2: at a place like this where you don't have a
Speaker 2: huge sports engaged fan base, you don't have the state
Speaker 2: all to yourself. You do share the discretionary dollars in
Speaker 2: Indiana with the cults, with the Pacers, with Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: with Indiana, with Chicago sports things like that. That's just
Speaker 2: kind of naturally what Purdue is. And it's kind of
Speaker 2: an existential thing more than it is a circumstantial thing,
Speaker 2: and it will always be a challenge at Purdue. It's
Speaker 2: just a matter of getting everything you can, and it
Speaker 2: starts with getting people excited. And I think that if
Speaker 2: they can get football going again, the impact that had
Speaker 2: on the whole university when Purdue had had Rondell Moore
Speaker 2: and George Carl Office and David Bell and you know
Speaker 2: guys like that, Memorable, memorable games and memorable wins. People
Speaker 2: forget those teams were like six and six at best
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases, but you don't remember the
Speaker 2: final record. You remember the moments that kind of inspired people.
Speaker 2: And for Purdue to just get back to being compelling
Speaker 2: and engaging in football, I think that's a big part
Speaker 2: of the solution here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I think about it closing to
Speaker 1: Brian is so McClellan is supposed to be a high
Speaker 1: level fundraiser, in this case revenue level razor.
Speaker 4: How does one do that? Is there? How do you
Speaker 4: I guess, how you sell yourself? How do you set
Speaker 4: out this is what I do? Is there a protocol?
Speaker 1: Is there a blueprint to the success for somebody showing
Speaker 1: that they're able to do this or I guess being
Speaker 1: hired on the belief you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: do that at Weslafia.
Speaker 4: Do you have the idea?
Speaker 2: It's politics, it's hearts and minds. It's coming up with
Speaker 2: a message that works and presenting a vision of things.
Speaker 2: And you know before when you were trying to raise
Speaker 2: money for nil which theoretically schools themselves could not do.
Speaker 2: It had to be these third parties. It's about, hey,
Speaker 2: give us money for this. We want this player, and
Speaker 2: you could show them a player, or you could show
Speaker 2: them like actual tangible results of them giving their money. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if facilities matter as much
Speaker 2: as they used to. But it used to be where
Speaker 2: you could present a facility and say this is what
Speaker 2: we want to do to this stadium. You can enjoy this,
Speaker 2: This will make our football program better. YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: Now it's I guess we got to get football going. Man.
Speaker 2: Here's what we think coach Odam is doing, Here's what
Speaker 2: we think Coach Painter's doing, here's what we think coach
Speaker 2: Gerald is doing. Help us get there, and here's our
Speaker 2: plan for doing it. But you got to have people skills.
Speaker 2: You have to have communication skills, and not a lot
Speaker 2: of sports people are great with that stuff. That's why
Speaker 2: the development world is a very different species than the
Speaker 2: coaching world is. It's kind of up to the athletic
Speaker 2: director to wear a lot of different hats and to
Speaker 2: have people skills and those communication skills, as I mentioned.
Speaker 2: But I'm not a fundraiser either. I would rather burn
Speaker 2: my eyes out than have to ask people for money.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of coaches don't exactly relish it.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of athletic directors probably don't love
Speaker 2: it because there's a lot of sucking up and a
Speaker 2: lot of placating that is involved in it. But it's
Speaker 2: about presenting a vision, I guess, and just getting people
Speaker 2: to believe in it. And I guess that's the job
Speaker 2: Tommy McClellan has to has to take over. One thing
Speaker 2: to point out, Rice is a very wealthy school with
Speaker 2: a very eager donor class that might be more academics
Speaker 2: than athletics. But I think raising money at Rice it
Speaker 2: might be a little bit different than raising money at Produce.
Speaker 2: So he will have his work cut out for him,
Speaker 2: as I'm sure he well knows.
Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, how much more money would Braydon make for
Speaker 1: a fifth year in college over becoming a professional within
Speaker 1: the Pacer organization.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see, Gonzaga needs a point guard, right.
Speaker 1: The Kentucky stuff. The Kentucky stuff never stops me never.
Speaker 2: You've got some desperate You've got some pretty desperate people
Speaker 2: out there, And I'm not saying you take Braden Smith
Speaker 2: only if you're desperate. I'm saying that desperation is the
Speaker 2: best negotiating leverage you can possibly have. Good Zaga, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: We're talking multiple millions of dollars now if they've got it. Remember,
Speaker 2: a lot of these schools have already assembled their rosters,
Speaker 2: so their money theoretically is spoken for. And I say theoretically,
Speaker 2: I mean there's probably some change in some of these
Speaker 2: people's couches and they're you know, we don't want to
Speaker 2: look at this way because this is what has to
Speaker 2: be avoided. But there's probably some players who Kentucky or Gonzaga,
Speaker 2: whoever it might be, would you know, no longer require
Speaker 2: the services of on August whatever today is to free
Speaker 2: up that money to go pay a better player. That's
Speaker 2: what the NCAA has got to prevent in all of this,
Speaker 2: is some freshman showing up and then being told, yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: we can't take anywhere. You've got to go prep school.
Speaker 2: That's where I think there does need to be another
Speaker 2: portal window added here. Whether that happens or not, I
Speaker 2: don't know, because you can't have people who just went
Speaker 2: through the whole summer and are about to attend their
Speaker 2: first day at classes, get injured by all this. And
Speaker 2: when I say injured, I don't mean acls or ankles,
Speaker 2: I mean lose their money, lose their scholarship. They've already
Speaker 2: signed up for their classes. And once again the NC
Speaker 2: doable A gets felt to it a situation where everything's
Speaker 2: changing on a dime and effective immediately. So they gotta
Speaker 2: they got They have to mitigate the collateral damage to
Speaker 2: all this the best they can, and that's not their strength.
Speaker 1: Would you have any doubt that he's been offered a
Speaker 1: variety of deals to return for a fifth year, No question.
Speaker 2: He probably already has. But you know there are questions
Speaker 2: still in the air about whether or not there's going
Speaker 2: to be a portal window, or whether or not the
Speaker 2: judges statement that this applies only to people going back
Speaker 2: to their original school. If I understand it correctly, if
Speaker 2: that's gonna get overturned, I don't know. But no, if
Speaker 2: you were out there on the open market with a
Speaker 2: portal window and somebody could muster up three million bucks,
Speaker 2: he gets three million bucks.
Speaker 4: Hey, I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: Listen, I wouldn't be the one that would be you know,
Speaker 1: not getting three mil or whatever the amount might be
Speaker 1: if he were to go someplace else. But it's always
Speaker 1: going to be cool his legacy at Purdue, and selfishly,
Speaker 1: for me, I think that's cool and I would never
Speaker 1: want to mess with that or jack with that. So
Speaker 1: you know, if that's a thought in the mind or
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, my colleges are over, I'm done, that's
Speaker 1: also good. But that's just kind of how I think
Speaker 1: about all this in a very old school fashion.
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, it is very easy for you and
Speaker 2: me to think about it like that because we're not
Speaker 2: the ones cashing through in the dark check. But no,
Speaker 2: I agree completely with you. And that's what I said
Speaker 2: when everybody was freaking out over nothing on the internet
Speaker 2: last spring. People were messing with him, Yes, but all
Speaker 2: this stuff about him going to Kentucky or going to Kansas,
Speaker 2: that stuff was all manufactured. That was all fan fiction
Speaker 2: on fan basis. They weren't even the school that was
Speaker 2: mostly messing with him. But I think when all that
Speaker 2: fan fiction was going around, I actually I didn't want
Speaker 2: to address it, but I did, and I just said, hey,
Speaker 2: this is legacy, this is legend in a particular place,
Speaker 2: This is the rest of your life as a as
Speaker 2: a resident of the state of Indiana, he will never
Speaker 2: buy a drink again. You will never want for a job.
Speaker 2: And again I'm talking about people here who might never
Speaker 2: have to worry about affording drinks or need a job too.
Speaker 2: So but nevertheless, legacy is forever. Money can be if
Speaker 2: you're smart about it, but legacy absolutely is forever. So
Speaker 2: it would be really awful in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: to see him finish his college career in a different uniform.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's going to happen. I don't
Speaker 2: think I think possible. I think he's I think the
Speaker 2: Pacers are pretty invested in him, and he's certainly invested
Speaker 2: in the Pacers, and he signed an in well, he
Speaker 2: hasn't signed his contract, but he's renounced in eligibility too,
Speaker 2: So who knows if he even could come back. But
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody knows the answer to question.
Speaker 1: It seems like there's always a way for anybody to
Speaker 1: come back if they're really proactive and want to come back.
Speaker 2: You know, every decision triggers another loophole. Every loophole triggers
Speaker 2: another loophole, So never rule anything out. Anymore.
Speaker 1: Now, any and closing guy get a run here. Brian
Speaker 1: Neuver is with us. Dusty May is a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He is now in Dallas. Did he come at Braidon
Speaker 1: as hard as anybody did, as far as trying to
Speaker 1: get Braiden away from wessell efiat? Is that why people
Speaker 1: up there disliked Dusty as much as I've heard?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was him personally, I can't
Speaker 2: say that for certain. I never would, but I know
Speaker 2: that collective people had their eyes on on. What I
Speaker 2: can tell you firsthand is that their their GM guy
Speaker 2: was out on the road in spring recruiting, bragging about
Speaker 2: all the guys they offered money to, and you know
Speaker 2: how much their schools had to pay to key them.
Speaker 2: And I know their collective guy was raising some eyebrows
Speaker 2: in the Big ten tournament talking about how much money
Speaker 2: they were going to offer Braden Smith and this and that,
Speaker 2: and I think Jean Blackwell and a couple of guys
Speaker 2: they got so Breas Johnson obviously a Dave Maras. So
Speaker 2: whether it was the coach or the institution, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But as you're well aware, Michigan has never been shy
Speaker 2: about fund to gets money in people's faces. So yeah,
Speaker 2: really surprised me one bit man.
Speaker 1: And while he I know that his goal was to
Speaker 1: go to the NBA, but I think that you you
Speaker 1: you can either I absorb all that's going on or
Speaker 1: if you get the opportunity, bail on it because it's
Speaker 1: such a pain in the ass.
Speaker 4: And I think it's number two right.
Speaker 2: There, So anyway, most likely.
Speaker 1: Yes, Hey, so great stuff, Brian. I appreciate that we'll
Speaker 1: stay in touch. That is really good material on the
Speaker 1: five o'clock hour on the Tuesday Forest Pal.
Speaker 2: Thank you, no problem, John, thanks for having me Brian knew.
Speaker 1: Sort of Goldenblack dot com. I'm way over, but I
Speaker 1: just kind of I want to let him go. There's
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We are, John, I know we're way over. Don't tell anybody.