1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Okay, we the taxpayers 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: of Indiana, spent eight hundred thousand dollars of our money, yes, 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: to be told, hey, we really shouldn't have conflicts of 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: interest and we should try to be more transparent. 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: That's correct. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't miss anything. I read numerous articles about 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: this topic, and that's what I keep seeing, and I 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: thought I must be missing something. But you're saying no, no, Rob, 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: You're correct. We spent eight hundred thousand dollars for no 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: one to be held to any sort of account. No 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: one's going to be punished, and we should not have 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: conflicts of interest, and we should be more transparent. 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, common sense stuff. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Carry on. 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: So you know you did spend eight hundred thousand dollars 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: to know a little bit more of what's going. 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: How we got screwed. Let me let me because no 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: one's right. It's sort of it's kind on the Casey Show, 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: and Rob, that's Casey. We're talking about this iedc audit 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: of course, that came out yesterday, Indiana Economic Corporation, this 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: shadow quasi government entity. I mean, we say what it 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: is here because we tell you who these people are 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: it's a glorified money laundering operation. And they have written 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: the rules so they're allowed to get away with it. 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: And they are the hyper most connected, some of the 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: hyper most connected people in the entire state of Indiana. 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of dollars over the this was just 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: by the way, the past couple of years. This doesn't 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: even go. This goes for like twenty two to twenty four. 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: This isn't even we're. 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: Not even talking about the history of. 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: Which is its own thing. The hundreds of millions of dollars, 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: your hard earned money basically used to facilitate the lifestyles 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: of or the desired lifestyles of and desired projects of 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: the politicians and some of their uber powerful cronies. And 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: we told you months ago that this was going to 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: be a colossal waste of money, that no one was 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: going to go down, because these people who would be 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: the ones potentially going down are some of the most 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: powerful connected people in the entire state, are the ones 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: who make the rules, and if they went down one 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: the cash spigot to the politicians would be cut off. 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: And because so many of these politicians are so connected 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: to these people, take them with them. That could have 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: potentially happened. Yes, so we said you are going, you 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: might as well have just gone and took put eight 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on the Cubs Podres game yesterday, because 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: you would have done as much good and had a 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty shot to make money for the state 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: as you would have this audit. And it is exactly 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: what we got. No criminal charges, no one's going to 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: be held any account, and nothing of any importance is 53 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: going to change casey because you know what from almost 54 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: all of these state these politicians, statewide state legislature, you 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: haven't heard boo out. 56 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Of them, right, nobody has said anything about this audit, 57 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: have they? This telling is. 58 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: A colossal embarrassment for our state. Now, our lawmakers, they're 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: shameless individuals, most of them, so I don't expect them 60 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: to have shame about it or embarrassment about it. But 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: you think about this. These lawmakers have funded, have taken 62 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: money from you. You're out, you know, fixing a road, 63 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: or you're on a roof, or you're you know, cleaning 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: a porn a potty or whatever you're doing today to 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: make humanity work. These lawmakers have taken money from you. 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: They gave it to a shadow government entity that they 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: knew people at best would struggle to get information from, 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: and then they put their powerful buddies in charge of it. 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: And their powerful buddies gave massive amounts of cash, one 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: to fund ridiculous dollars in travel, so much of it 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: to foreign countries for politicians and the connected. And they 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: also delegated much of that money to projects that they 73 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: were either directly benefiting from some cases indirectly benefiting from, 74 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: or people they liked were benefiting from. That's where your money. 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Not to fix the roads every year the gas tax 76 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: goes up, doesn't get any better, Not to do things 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: that would have benefited all of us. They couldn't fund 78 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: their budget without a billion dollars in new taxes, but 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: they had all this money. They being the IEDC, they 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: being the Indiana General Assembly, the state Legislature, the previous 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: governor who we're going to get into in a second, 82 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: oh boy, and all of them, for the most part, 83 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: were a part of voting a affirmative I for these 84 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: budgets that did this. And yet basically none of them 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: have anything to say about it. As of this morning. 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: The only thing Governor Brown has said, is that. Well, 87 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: his office has said it did not contain any criminal findings. 88 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: And we told you no one's going to go down 89 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: for this. This is a colossal waste of money and nothing, 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that there is there is not one 91 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: lawmaker I've seen thus far who is issued. Now somebody has, 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: and they can point me to them. If Houston and 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: Bray have made some sort of definitive this is the 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: end of the IEDC as we know it, or blah 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: blah blah you pointed to me, and I'll eat it 96 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: on the air, right, I will gladly own it. But 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: as of nine six this morning, I hadn't seen it, 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: which means nothing's going to change of substance. Now they'll 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: put some window dressing on it. They'll tell you, oh, 100 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: what forms they think about this? Eight hundred thousand dollars 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: to be told you shouldn't be voting on things if 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: you have a conflict of interest, and we should tell 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: the public where their money's going. Eight hundred thousand dollars 104 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: and all of this crap that took place, and not 105 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: one person's going to be held to any account on this. 106 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: Only one conflict was disclosed to the state Ethics Commission one. 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about that in a second, 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: but let's okay, let's talk about that first, because then 109 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: we'll get to Hulcombe, because we've got we've got to 110 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: talk about Holcomb in all of this. The conflict of 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: inter statute, for say, a municipal legislator is a very 112 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: serious thing. Like if you have if you're a town 113 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: councilman or a city councilman, or a county commissioner, if 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: you have even the potential to profit off of whatever 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: thing you're voting on, you have to not only disclose it, 116 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: but then you're supposed to recuse yourself from voting. There's 117 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: an actual form you're supposed to fill out, and it 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: is a felony if you don't do that, or it 119 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: can it can be a felony, correct if you don't 120 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: if you don't do that. And in this case, what 121 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: there was a number they put. 122 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: On thirty entities had potential conflicts. Only four were discussed 123 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: in meetings, and only one was disclosed to the State 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: Ethics Commission. 125 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: If a municipal legislator did what these people have are 126 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: alleged to have done, there's a good chance they would 127 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: go to prison. And yet because and this is exactly 128 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: like we talk about Congress, because they write the rules 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: to exempt themselves, and because the IEDC is its own thing, 130 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: and they wrote the rules to make it whatever they want, 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: they do it allegedly, and nothing happens, not even screw 132 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: going to prison. There's no fines, there's no recouping of monies, 133 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: there's no you owe the taxpayer stuff back, there's no 134 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: formal Repperman, there's nothing, no. 135 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: No. IDC does not actively actively perform conflict checks something 136 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: they they don't do that. 137 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: So town counselman does it, they potentially go to prison. 138 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: They don't even check with the IEDC, and you really 139 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: can't check because they hide the information from you. Unlike 140 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: as someone who has filed a complaint with law enforcement 141 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: before on an alleged conflict of interests or potential alleged 142 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: potential conflict of interest that happened out in Sunshine, I 143 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: could see now. I had to do a little digging, 144 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: but I could see what the alleged potential conflict was. 145 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I could see it again. Took me some digging because 146 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: they didn't totally reveal it. But I put the things 147 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: together and then I filed the complaint because it was 148 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: had to be done in an official government meeting by 149 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: government rules, and you could see what was going on. 150 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: And here you can't even really do that because there's 151 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: so many little subcommittees and they don't in this group 152 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: doesn't meet in public, and this you don't know about 153 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: this group. It is a giant jigsaw puzzle. That's the 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: thing you realize from this audit. I mean, there's many things, 155 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: but it is a deliberate jigsaw puzzle where they want 156 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: to make it as hard as possible for people to 157 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: put the pieces together, because once you put the pieces together, 158 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you realize how corrupt, on an ethical and rotten this 159 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: glorified money laundering operation actually is. 160 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hateful way that they have treated hoosiers awful, 161 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: taking your money. It's your money, and they're taking this 162 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: for their no big contracts, their international travel, for their 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: select group of friends. Now we've got to get into 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: some of the key findings. We also have to talk 165 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: about Eric Holcombe and his participation in all of this. 166 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll spend a lot of our show today 167 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: talking about this because this it's not just the thing, 168 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: and we will do this when these sort of events occur. 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: It's the event itself, which is the audit, but then 170 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the findings are so disgusting and they touch on so 171 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: many different areas of things we talk about on the 172 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: show every single day, and clearly Braun has stated he's 173 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: not holding anyone accountable. So the only thing, the only 174 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: recourse that we have is to try to inform you 175 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: of how gross and disgusting your government is and what 176 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: they funded and what they took your money to put into. 177 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: Because public shaming at this point is the only recourse 178 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: we have. Seems to be a reoccurring theme, and we 179 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: will be the people who are more than willing to 180 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: do the public shaming. Let's shame holcome when we come back, 181 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: shall I? 182 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 183 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: You know, have ever researched mafia heads, like heads of 184 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: mafia families, and you realize there's just a wide variety 185 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: of people who have run mafia families over the years, 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: and you realize there are some who, certainly in the 187 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: prime of their lives, were obviously hyper engaged. They were 188 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: aware of everything going on, they were calling all the shots, 189 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: they were on top of everything, and nobody so much 190 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: as blinked without the you know, the don's permission. But 191 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: then you realize some of these guys, certainly ones as 192 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: they got older, lost the capacity to run the family. However, 193 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: the power structure they represented was certainly not going to 194 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: give that up. And as long as that person was 195 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: alive and at least in name was running the family, 196 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes, you know, the goons for lack 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: of a better term, would remain the most powerful people 198 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: in organized crime. And so everybody kind of knew, you know, hey, 199 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: the guy out walking in his you know, pajamas or whatever, 200 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: he's not calling the shots anymore. But in as long 201 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: as he's alive, right in name only, whoever is behind 202 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: that apparatus, lieutenants, lieutenants, yes, thank you, are going to 203 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: remain at the tippy top and get all the favors 204 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: and get the taste of all the action. And one 205 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: of the things you realize in this and I think 206 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: I told this story on the air when Holcombe's to 207 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Eric Holcomb in the former governor, when his term was 208 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: coming to an end, I had a conversation with a 209 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: very connected person in the Hlcomb administration and they said, look, 210 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: the reality on this guy was, and everybody knew from 211 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: the moment he got in there he didn't know his 212 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: head from his ass. And he was appointed the governor 213 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: of the state of Indiana. Eric Holcombe is the only 214 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: guy in the history of our state who went from 215 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: dead last in a US Senate race to governor in 216 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the same year. Eric Holcombe is an incompetent buffoon. Everybody 217 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: knew it then, they know it now. But what Eric 218 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Holcombe was, and everybody knew this was a donor and 219 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: lobbyist's best friend. Because Holcombe was interested in the idea 220 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: of playing governor. He wanted the ribbon cuttings, he wanted 221 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: the international travel. He didn't want to do the actual 222 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: work of governor. And so this power structure who strong 223 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: armed Mike Pence, who's speaking of people who don't know 224 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: their heads from their ass, into appointing him lieutenant governor. 225 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: So he went from dead last to a US Senate race, 226 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: dead out of money. His campaign was reduced to shooting 227 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: baskets in all ninety two counties, to being the most 228 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: qualified person in the entire state to be the lieutenant governor, 229 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: when magically the current lieutenant governor was the most qualified 230 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: person in the entire state to lead IVY Tech. Isn't 231 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: funny how that all worked out, Casey And by the way, 232 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: they had to get rid of her because she'd straight 233 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: up told Mike Pence, you've made your own bed, pal, 234 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going negative on John greg to try to 235 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: save you from the stew that you've created. So Eric 236 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: Holcomb becomes lieutenant governor and by a stroke of sheer luck, 237 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and a momentary lapse of sanity, maybe had 238 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: a head injury that day, I don't know, felt that 239 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Mike Pence was the most qualified person to be the 240 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: vice President of the United States, and wouldn't of all 241 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: the luck the donor and lobbyist dream gets appointed to 242 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: run for governor. You know, a wet blanket generic Republican 243 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: could win the governor's race as long as it wasn't 244 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Mike Pence. And Eric Holcomb becomes governor of the state 245 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: of Indiana. Has no idea what he's doing. He's never 246 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: won elected office, he's never run anything of any substance. 247 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: And now you have some puppet just nodding in agreement 248 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: with whatever his bosses tell him. And that is what 249 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: this audit of the IDC shows clearer than ever before, 250 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: exactly what we've been telling you for years on this program. 251 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: This guy is the worst thing that this guy being 252 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Eric Holcomb, is the worst thing that has ever happened 253 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: to the state of Indiana. And like we already know 254 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: about the COVID damage, the mask mandates the shutting of 255 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: businesses down, the massive expansions of government, and the horrible 256 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: financial position that's put our state in. And now in 257 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: this IEDC audit, you realize this guy wasn't overseeing anything. 258 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: He was a total stooge in a puppet he He 259 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: just wanted to go sit on camels in foreign countries. 260 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: I was waiting for the camel reference to happen. The 261 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: question is what economic development actually came from Governor Holcombe 262 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: sitting on that camel. He was the first Indiana governor 263 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: and only Midwest governor to attend COP twenty seven in Egypt. 264 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: He went there right and this this is one of 265 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: my favorite lines of the entire audit. FTI conducted a 266 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: sample reconciliation of costs incurred for the General Ledger of 267 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: the twenty two trip to Egypt for the COP twenty 268 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: seven conference. In comparison to the provided budget. The budget 269 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: accounted for approximately nine hundred thousand dollars in airfare costs, 270 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: and the credit card expenses suggest actual airfare costs incurred 271 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: for the trip, we're at least two hundred thousand dollars. 272 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: So again, what specific economic development came out of Eric 273 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: Holcombe sitting on a camel in Egypt? 274 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: And just Forbouy, who may not be aware, COP twenty 275 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: seven is the United Nations Climate Change Conference. 276 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: And Holcombe doesn't identify as a climate activist, right, so 277 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: what was he doing there? 278 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: And I will ask this question. We got to get 279 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: to a break. We've spent hundreds of millions of billions 280 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: of dollars now on quote unquote economic development in the 281 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: state of India through the Indian Economic Development Corporation. What 282 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: have we gotten for the money? And if it's such 283 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: a great deal, why have our taxes never been higher? 284 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Why do they go up every single year? If we 285 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: have all this amazing investment that's coming into our state 286 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: and it's this you know, we're this economic engine that 287 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: they want people to believe that we are. Why can't 288 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: we fund our state budget without raising taxes? Why does 289 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: our gas tax go up every year? Why have our 290 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: property taxes never been higher? If all of this stuff 291 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: is so great and worked out so well, why is 292 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: the amount that we are asked to pay rising every 293 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: single year. 294 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: I think the one thing you have to consider is 295 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: that Holcombe attended that conference to promote Indiana's economic development 296 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: and green energy. However, there was just a report, I 297 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: think it was three days ago that said Indiana has 298 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 2: only made modest gains with green energy. So the ROI 299 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: is not their kids. 300 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: Well, and it comes back to what have we been 301 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: telling you? The Indian Economic Development Corporation is a glorified 302 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: money laundering scheme in which they take money from you, 303 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: they give it to an entity that doesn't have to 304 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: play by the same rules as everybody else, which then 305 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: allows people to do things that at the very best 306 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: would be highly questioned if they were using state funds 307 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: state money. But because they do it through the IDC, 308 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: in which there's this and the IDF the foundation which 309 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: is now going away because that was so well. Corrupt 310 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: is a strong word, but I think it probably applies here. 311 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: There's this giant soup where there's all this money that 312 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: flows into it from all these different sources and you 313 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: can't figure out which one it is, and then they go, 314 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, this is private 315 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: dollars that funded this trip. Of course, it's all breaking 316 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: off of an entity that is funded by your tax money. 317 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: And we will get into this a bunch more throughout 318 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: the course of the program today. But if you take 319 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: nothing else from this show today, you need to roisee 320 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: that everything I've been telling you about Eric Holcomb for 321 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: the nine years I've been on WIBC is true, in 322 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: which he was a complete, dithering, clueless buffoon who had 323 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: no interest in actually leading our state. He was interested 324 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: in playing governor, and his reward for it is now 325 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: he owns a massively sprawling property in North Brownsburg with 326 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: the fabulous, essentially mansion that he lives in. So we 327 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: got out, great, what do you own? Where are you at? 328 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: What did this guy get? 329 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: All? 330 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: Right, let's take a break. When we come back. The 331 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: fight across our state continues from citizens who are pushing 332 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: back against these gargantuan solar and wind projects. And there 333 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: is a big one front and center going on right 334 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: now just outside of Central Indiana. And whether you live 335 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: where we're about to talk with somebody from this area 336 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: and the fight that they're having. Whether you live there 337 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: or not, you need to pay attention to this because 338 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: these things are coming to a community near you. 339 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: Jillian Gaston is going to join us next. It's ninety 340 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: three WIBC. The crops are group last summer, good enough 341 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: to pay it alone, good. 342 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: Buy the Zea Japan to spring and focos come old 343 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: franchimmen of josh So. One of the big debates across 344 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana remains these solar farms that are 345 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: being proposed in the large agriculture areas. And there's a 346 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: big fight going on right now about just that in 347 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Putnam County. And look, regardless of where you live, you 348 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: need to pay attention to this because these things there's 349 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: a good chance they're coming soon to a large farm 350 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: field near you. It's Kennelly Casey Show and Rob Casey's here. 351 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: Let's go to the WIBC hotline. We're joined by Jillian Gaston. 352 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: She is a part of the group Putnham County Residents 353 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: against Solar. They've got a big solar farm proposed just 354 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: outside of the town of Cloverdale. It has been rejected 355 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: by their Planning Commission. But as we always tell you 356 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: about these things, it's never over until it's over. They 357 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: got a big affirm or to die meeting Monday night 358 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: coming up with the Putnam County Commissioners. Jillian joins us. Now, Jillian, Hello, Hi, 359 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: all right, so tell us tell our audience a little 360 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: bit about why the residents of Putnam County, the greater 361 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: Cloverdale area are opposing this with such verocity. 362 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. So there are a vast. 363 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: Number of reasons why this project is not good for us. 364 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: You know, primarily this company, this energy company that's coming 365 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: in is working with a single family in the town 366 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: of Cloverdale. The requesting to take over twenty six hundred 367 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 4: acres of prime farmland that's currently zoned as A one 368 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: or agricultural protection land. So it's some of the most 369 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 4: high producing farmland in the nation. And they want to 370 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 4: rezone this vast area that's actually larger than our town of. 371 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: Cloverdale to natural resources so. 372 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 4: That they can build this three hundred mega loot. 373 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Hang on just a second, Jilly, because you said something 374 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: that I think our audience needs to know. You're telling 375 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: me this proposal is bigger than the actual town of 376 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Cloverdale itself. 377 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: Yes, correct, and it sits right next to homes. Primarily 378 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 4: my home will be surrounded on all four sides by 379 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: the solar panels as far as the I can see. 380 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 4: So that's going to have detrimental impacts to not just 381 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: our property values, this also this project will sit on 382 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: the town's well head. And this company is not doing 383 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: any studies. They're not even thinking about that. I mean, 384 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: solar panels are made with all kinds of toxic materials. 385 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 4: You've seen these stories hit the news where you know, 386 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: when when these are damaged, that material is going to 387 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: leap into the ground. It's to go right into our 388 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: town's water system. It is right on top of our 389 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: well head. And you know, we just can't we can't 390 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: have that. I mean, that's not just going to impact 391 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: the local landowners here, it's going to impact the whole 392 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 4: town and the safety of our community as well. 393 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Jillian Gaston is our guest. She's with Putnam County Residents 394 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: against Solar. They've got a massive solar farm proposed just 395 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: outside of the town of Cloverdale. They got a big 396 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: meeting coming up Monday night with their county commissioners and 397 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: The reason we're touching on this is these things are 398 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: happening everywhere, and Jillian, I was hoping you could kind 399 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: of take our audience through a little bit about this process, 400 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: because you guys, I mean, look, the community, it sounds like, 401 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: has overwhelmingly pushed back against this from the beginning. You've 402 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: scored a negative recommendation at the Planning Commission, which is 403 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: a good first step. But just talk a little bit 404 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: about how what a monumental task this has been to 405 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: try to defeat this thing. 406 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we found out about this proposed project over 407 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 4: a year ago. The company started sending the neighbors that 408 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: touched the proposed project area letters to inform them that 409 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 4: this was going to be coming, trying to get us 410 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: on board with their good neighbor agreements to sign our 411 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: rights away. 412 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: So stop, stop, stop, stop real quick on that, because 413 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: I think that's important. Tell us about these good neighbor agreements. 414 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, basically, they wanted these adjoining property owners to 415 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 4: come and sign agreements that would say that they would 416 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 4: not hold the company liable for any damages and things. 417 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: And you know that this project could cause to them. 418 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 4: And the harm that they do, and by signing this 419 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: good neighbor agreement, you would get this two hundred and 420 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: fifty foot setback, and you would also get a vegetative 421 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: buffer on your property line. 422 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 423 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: So they didn't strain themselves giving you all those freebies. 424 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 425 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: They also offered us a you know, a ten dollars 426 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: discount at the County Fair to put schas some food. 427 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: So I wait, wait, was it like they offered you 428 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: a palette of cash or something. They're like, hey, you 429 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: get a setback, some vegetation and ten dollars off the 430 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: County Fair. 431 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 3: Yes, and then a couple other hundred bucks. 432 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 4: They kind of threw in a thousand bucks closer to 433 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 4: the wire when they were really trying, when people were 434 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 4: not signing these agreements because it didn't make any sense. 435 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: But I mean, a thousand bucks for us is nothing. 436 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: I mean we're going to. 437 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: Lose so much more than that, and in our property 438 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 4: value alone, not to mention the health impacts and all 439 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: of that that we're what we're going through. 440 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 3: I mean, we're losing sleep over this, and we've. 441 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: Been for over a year now trying to fight this. 442 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 4: We've we've got a legal team, we've got experts in 443 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: this state, that have fought these projects, and you know, 444 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: they are are very. 445 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: Well versed in this, and you know we're working with them. 446 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: And I think that what they did at the Area 447 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: Planned Commission meeting on the eleventh, you know, just you know, solidified, 448 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: and it was why we got that unanimous vote to 449 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: not recommend this project to the commissioners. 450 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Jillian Gaston is our guest. She's with the group called 451 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Putnam County Residents Against Solar. They're finding this massive solar 452 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: farm outside of the town of Cloverdale. What do you 453 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: say to people, because one of the fascinating arguments to 454 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: me is that, hey, if somebody wants to sell their land, 455 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: they should be able to sell it whoever they want 456 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: then do sort of whatever they want. What do you 457 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: say to people who make that argument. 458 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 4: Property rights do not stop at your fence line. We 459 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 4: have rights as well, and when you do something on 460 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: your property that impacts your neighbors, you can't do that. 461 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: That's why we have these zoning laws in place. 462 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's not okay, we have rights as well. 463 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 4: You're gon, we're going to have to live through years 464 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: of construction, you know, live around these hazardous materials, the 465 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 4: heat island effect that this may have. 466 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: We have children. I have a one and a half year. 467 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 4: Old and a five year old, and we are home 468 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: where we live. How would we be able to enjoy 469 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 4: our property the same way that we do today when 470 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: we're going to be surrounded by sensing glass, metal, concrete rocks. 471 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 4: Like we chose to live here because this is my 472 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 4: husband's family farm. We're raising the fourth generation here. We 473 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 4: have twenty acres, and now you want to swallow us 474 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 4: up in glass and metal and toxic materials. That's not 475 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: a place where we wanted to raise our family. 476 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: Real quick, I wanted to I wanted to do you 477 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: to talk about that, because I think you kind of 478 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: touched on when you talked about this project proposed outside 479 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: of just outside of Cloverdale is bigger than the entire 480 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: town of Cloverdale. You are talking about essentially remaking, in 481 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: some cases, in some of these communities, hundreds of years 482 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: of history, just going away with one project, just totally 483 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: changing the entire history, history and landscape of communities on 484 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: things like this. 485 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And that's completely that's not consistent with what 486 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: the people of Putnam County want. We want to protect 487 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 4: our farmland and our open spaces. 488 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: Are you to. 489 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: Our vision is to do that, and this is an 490 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: industrial power plant. 491 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: They are claiming that they want to graze sheep on 492 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: this area. To just say that, yes, this is still 493 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: going to. 494 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: Be used for agriculture. You know, if this was going 495 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 4: to be used for agriculture, we would need to rezone 496 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: it to a different zone. It's already zoned as agriculture. 497 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 4: So that's not the primary use for this land. 498 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: It's not appropriate. 499 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 4: It does not it's not protecting our rural areas and 500 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: our farmlands, our prime farmland, and that's what we care. 501 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: About to most. 502 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 503 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: Jillian Gaston as our guest. She is a Putnam County 504 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: resident in Cloverdale, and there is a group that is 505 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: organized to defeed back a massive solar farm. Just a 506 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: couple of minutes left with her. So, how are you 507 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: guys feeling about the county commissioner vote on Monday? Because 508 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: the Planning Commission is again just an advisory board. Sometimes 509 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: that works in your favor, sometimes it does. Then, how 510 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: are you guys feeling about this? How much pressure has 511 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: been put on these county commissioners to go against their 512 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: planning commission? 513 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think we feel pretty good. We 514 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: have had an overwhelming response. 515 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 3: We have a petition with. 516 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: Over three hundred and fifty signatures against this way more 517 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 4: and they've had twenty five petition signatures for it. So 518 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: I mean that just shows we passed the room at 519 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: the ATC meeting with over eight hundred people. You know, 520 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: we hope that that happens again. We've had numerous letters 521 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: written to the commissioners, you know, over the last couple 522 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: months to just express what the community wants. 523 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: And it's evident. I mean, it's clear. 524 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: So with the APC voting unanimous, it's going to be hard. 525 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 3: For the commissioners to try to go against that. 526 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: I mean, and it's I mean the numbers are there. 527 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 4: More people are against this than they. 528 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: Are for this. 529 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: We've debunked their you know, myths of this tax revenue 530 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: that the county is going to benefit from, like that's 531 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 4: not guaranteed, that's just a tax relief for. 532 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: Them as a company. 533 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: And it's yeah, I mean, I think we feel pretty good. 534 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: But you know, there's there's always some question. But we 535 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: have a great, great legal team, a great team of 536 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: experts is here, you know, supporting us in our fight. 537 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 4: They know the value of our land and what we 538 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: are here to protect in our families and our health, 539 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 4: and so I think we have a good shot. 540 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, real quickly, before we let you go, I think 541 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: you just touched on something everybody needs to know about, 542 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: is that you guys have had to spend your own 543 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: money on this to fight back what appears to be 544 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: a very bad policy proposal. And you guys have had 545 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: to invest all of your own resources just to preserve 546 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: history and historical uses of land and really keep that land, 547 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, feeding and taking care of a nation. 548 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, we have thousands of dollars and you know 549 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: we we do have a way for people to help, 550 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 4: so forward us. 551 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: And donate to our funds. 552 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: You know, we were doing this work and it's going 553 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: to benefit the entire county because this isn't going to 554 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: go away. If this does get passed, what is going 555 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 4: to stop the next one from coming into our county? 556 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: And we can't have that, I mean, that would be detrimental. 557 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 4: We've seen this, you know, with countless other industrial solar 558 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: projects across the state of Indiana and across the nation, 559 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: and they make false promises and they lie to us 560 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: and it's not a good situation. 561 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're all cheering for you. Keep us posted 562 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: and good luck on Monday with your meeting. 563 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much, thanks for having me. 564 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Kenell Casey Show. Ninety three. WIBC have an 565 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: interesting statistic on how people are viewing the media. 566 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: Overall trust in the media has hit a record low. 567 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: Dun dun, dun dum. 568 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: It's Kennelly Casey Show. I'm Rob that's Casey. Tell tell 569 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: about how the public is viewing the media. 570 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: Just twenty eight percent of Americans say they have a 571 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: great deal or a fair amount of trust in newspapers, TV, 572 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: and radio. We'll tell you the truth. Yeah, we'll tell 573 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: you like it is. You can trust us. That is 574 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: down from thirty one percent in twenty twenty three and 575 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: forty percent in twenty nineteen. So this marks the first 576 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: time that confidence has dropped below thirty percent. 577 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Now, this is this is Gallup. 578 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: It is poll It's the lowest since Gallup has been 579 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: tracking this. 580 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: Everett. Now, what's fascinating to me, So, like they go 581 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: far back in like basically what nineteen seventy two and 582 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. This is fascinating me. The media 583 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: was at a trust rate of like seventy two percent. 584 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: Correct. 585 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: Look, I hate to break this to you, but the 586 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: media they're human beings. They've always they always it's the 587 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: human inclination to have a slant one way or another, 588 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: even if you're trying your hardest to be fair. Now 589 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: there are people like see the George W. Bush National 590 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Guard story that just blatantly make up stuff and that 591 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: gets exposed. But I think the biggest issue is that 592 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: there's less and less of a delineation between opinion and 593 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: hard news, and they've sort of morphed into one thing. 594 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: So like, if you come to this show, we are 595 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: not unbiased. I'm telling you, Like, I don't think you 596 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: need to know that. You know, we've been for nine years, 597 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: have been telling you I am the most biased person 598 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: you're ever going to meet. If you're coming here looking 599 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: for fair and balance, you done come to the wrong place. Wow, 600 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: how many times have we run stories and got them 601 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: right and first right, Whether it's the Mike bohatchik o 602 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: w I or the ow I that Bo Baird was 603 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: able to avoid public scrutiny on. You know a litany 604 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: of stories that we were we were first about jd 605 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: Vance coming to Indiana, Like, I mean, we get stuff right, 606 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: and I don't run with stuff without having sourced it. 607 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: And you know, if you get if you're breaking news 608 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: and you get it wrong, that looks horrible on you. 609 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: But in terms of the things we talk about every 610 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: single day, we're not here pretending to be fair and balanced. 611 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: We totally want you to think the way we think, 612 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: but we disclose it. Not that you need it is disclosed, 613 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: but we are honest about it. 614 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: But there is a clear delineation between the opinion shows 615 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Tony Katz Kendall and Casey Hammer and Nigel and the 616 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: WIBC newsroom where they are trying to be unbiased. 617 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we go to the news at the top and 618 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: bottom of the hour and we'll tell you or you 619 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: know though you'll hear a sounder this says the WIBC 620 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: news and those people are giving you the news of 621 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: the day that's as close to as fair and balanced. 622 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Down the middle is you're going to get ABC and 623 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: D happened and then we talk about it and give 624 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: you you opinions on it. But I do think the 625 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: true the quot unquote trust like I don't think the 626 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: news is any less biased than it was fifty years ago. 627 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: I just think one people have many avenues to get 628 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: information so they can see the bias. Like if Walter 629 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: Cronkite told you something in nineteen seventy two that, my friends, 630 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: was the gospel. 631 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 2: Well that's the difference on how it has morphed because 632 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: back then he would give you the news and you 633 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: would create your opinion, and now you're given an opinion 634 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: and you have to decipher what is news. But I. 635 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as brazen. But I think he 636 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: had biased the same way everybody else. Did you know 637 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: the famous saying when Johnson didn't run for reelection, when 638 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: you lost Walter Cronkite, you'd lost the country. Clearly, he 639 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: had an opinion on what was going on, and I 640 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: think any person is going to craft stories around things 641 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: they're interested in or have some sort of opinion on. Look, 642 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: it's naive to think that just because some person is 643 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: reading from a teleprompter that they don't have a bias 644 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: on it. I think people are just able to spot 645 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: it easier, and I think it morphs now in with 646 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: opinion pieces like was it Andy Rooney was he the 647 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: one at the end of sixty minutes that I like, 648 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: you would basically have Andy Rooney doing stories now, it 649 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be some guy ranting at the end of the thing, 650 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: you knew that's what you were getting. Andy Rooney has 651 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: basically just been inserted into mainstream reporting, and people see 652 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: through it and they don't trust it anymore. 653 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: So let's talk about how this is broken down to 654 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: political affiliation. Republicans trust dropped to single digits, a record low. 655 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: Only eight percent of Republicans trust the media, the lowest 656 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: ever recorded. It hasn't exceeded twenty one percent trust in 657 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: the media since twenty fifteen. And think about what happened 658 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. There was a little bounce in twenty eighteen, 659 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: it popped up a little, but for Republicans, trust in 660 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: the media has pretty much stayed down since twenty sixteen. 661 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: Independence they trust media at twenty seven percent. Democrats the 662 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: most trusting. They're currently at fifty one percent. 663 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: I would love to ask those people, those Republicans, who 664 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: do you believe is a believable news source? That would be. 665 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: Fast eighty percent that do have trust right, and then 666 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: compare that to how Democrats and independence would view that 667 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 2: same source. 668 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: Because I think trust now is all in the eye 669 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: of the beholder, and I think the broader takeaway is 670 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: trust really now is affirmation. Trust is becoming more affirmation 671 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: of my my inherent belief system, because I will get 672 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: people all the time who have for years, Oh, Rob's 673 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: the guy, Oh he's mister independent. Oh he calls out 674 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: all this and we love it. And then you call 675 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: it their guy, which we've seen that quite a lot lately, 676 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: when we treat their guy or girl the same way 677 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: that we've treated every other guy or girl. It was 678 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: great until it wasn't until we treated your person with yeah, 679 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: we've treated the same. So I think trust now, as 680 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: we work through this little exercise together, I think trust 681 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: is just becoming more and more a code word for affirmation. 682 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: So media trust and an all time low, fractured by 683 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 2: party and generation. Older adults maintain more confidence, while younger 684 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: Americans they show real deep skepticism. It's interesting because if 685 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: you if you look at the breakdown, let's just take 686 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 2: Democrats who have the highest level of trust in media 687 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: right now, if you're talking about a senior, they're at 688 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: fifty nine percent plus. But when you get down to 689 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: the Gen Z eighteen twenty nine year olds, it falls 690 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: down to thirty eight percent. So the older you are, 691 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: the more you're still confident in what you're being told. 692 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: The younger you are, the more skeptical you are. Now 693 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: does social media play into that? All? 694 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 3: Right? 695 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna get a lot more 696 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: into this ied c audit and the bad behavior from 697 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: this quasi anti transparent government entity. 698 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: It is Kendilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC