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Speaker 1: Interesting thing that, well, look, it's popping up all over

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Speaker 1: the place now and people are finally starting to notice

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Speaker 1: that the utility was the power bills in this state

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Speaker 1: are totally out of control. Like you're seeing skyrocketing twenty

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Speaker 1: plus percent in some cases year over year electric bills.

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Speaker 1: And I saw somebody say this, and I know you

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Speaker 1: touched on it earlier in the program. It's finding great. No,

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Speaker 1: everybody should be totally focused on the property tax thing,

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Speaker 1: but these utility bills are becoming as big or a

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Speaker 1: bigger menace. When you think about if you're having to

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Speaker 1: add twenty or thirty dollars a month year over year

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Speaker 1: to your property to your utility bill, well, that's somewhere

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Speaker 1: between two hundred and fifty and four hundred dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: That is the new property tax thing. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: part of the broader conversation of what we kind of

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Speaker 1: opened the program with is you're getting priced out of living,

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Speaker 1: Like when the groceries are up twenty or thirty percent,

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Speaker 1: when your property tax are up twenty to thirty percent,

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Speaker 1: when you're utility bills are up twenty to thirty percent,

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Speaker 1: and all of these things, you're getting nothing new for them.

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Speaker 1: You're not gett anything better, You're not getting anything improved.

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Speaker 1: The lights are still on in the house, the government

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Speaker 1: is still operating as it always did. Now there's more

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Speaker 1: of it, it's doing more bright shiny objects, but it's

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Speaker 1: not getting better. And in the case of food, you're

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Speaker 1: still now you're buying less stuff, but the food is

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Speaker 1: still the same Like you, it's it's an unsustainable keeping

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Speaker 1: that same quality of life.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would argue that when it comes to your

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Speaker 2: energy costs, it may be worse because the prices are

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Speaker 2: surging and with these data centers popping up, one of them,

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Speaker 2: I believe made an agreement. We talked about it, how

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Speaker 2: they made an agreement with Google saying that you know

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Speaker 2: when they're probably when the energy is surging, they'll they'll

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Speaker 2: power down. So who's to say that when you go

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Speaker 2: to flip the light on that it will be there.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's where you're headed. And that's what people need

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Speaker 1: to realize is it's not even a cost. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the cost is a massive deal, but there is no

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Speaker 1: I mean, they are selling you pie in the sky

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Speaker 1: bill of goods on these SMRs right now. The General

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Speaker 1: Assembly and rotten rotten, miserable people like Ed Soliday, state representative,

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Speaker 1: who is the guy who is trying to like strong

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Speaker 1: arm that mayor of Portage over speaking out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: our state legislature is led by some really rotten, disgusting,

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Speaker 1: underhanded people, and they are leading you to believe because

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Speaker 1: of the enhancement of their own existence that is taking place.

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Speaker 1: The Indie Star laid out how much money the power

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Speaker 1: industry is putting into these politicians. Obvious, yeah, that they've

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Speaker 1: found some silver bullet that is going to help fix

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Speaker 1: all this, that you can have all these megabuildings and

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Speaker 1: that it won't harm you. It's just it's the same

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Speaker 1: argument that they tried to make during COVID, where Hulkom

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Speaker 1: led you to believe that he could shut the state

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Speaker 1: down and you wouldn't feel any long term ramification of that.

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Speaker 1: Of course we've seen that now. Look at the disaster

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Speaker 1: that is Medicaid, Look at all these businesses that didn't reopen,

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Speaker 1: Look at the changing landscape of our society, what has

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Speaker 1: come in in its place. Everything got altered because they

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Speaker 1: led you to believe that you could shut society down

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Speaker 1: and there wouldn't be any ramifications for it. It's the

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Speaker 1: same thing happening here where you cannot put all of

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Speaker 1: these new megabuildings that require all this power, these data

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Speaker 1: centers into existence and think that there's not going to

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Speaker 1: be ramifications of your daily how you live because there's

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Speaker 1: not enough power for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they consume enormous power. They also offer minimal job creation.

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Speaker 2: Plus they have these really long tax abatements as well.

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Speaker 2: These utility companies are spending millions on campaign donations and lobbying,

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Speaker 2: which is influencing the policy making. And you've got to

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Speaker 2: consider the fact now that your utility cost this is

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Speaker 2: going to be a more urgent crisis than the property

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Speaker 2: tax debate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And so who was this right side?

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Speaker 1: Mike right side? Underscore? Mic is what this guy goes

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Speaker 1: by on Twitter is Mike Thompson is his name? And

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Speaker 1: nobody's refuted this and said, oh, this is totally out

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Speaker 1: in left field. This seems pretty accurate based on what

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Speaker 1: we've seen publicly put out. There are forty There are

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Speaker 1: more than forty data centers proposed to come to the

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Speaker 1: state of Indiana in the whatever to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe ten fifteen years, but there are more than forty

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Speaker 1: of these things and the massive amount. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: are talking about some of these data centers that on

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Speaker 1: their own require more power than the entire community in

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Speaker 1: which they live, in which they're housed. You cannot do that.

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Speaker 1: There's not enough of this. So the logical answer is

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Speaker 1: there's no way that they're going to tell Google, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you're going to need to shut down between noon and three.

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Speaker 1: The logical answer is you're going to be the one

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Speaker 1: shutting down right between noon and three.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You are still going to be

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Speaker 2: paying more and your product may not even be the same.

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Speaker 2: In regards to food, you were saying, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: still the same food, but the price keeps going up.

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Speaker 2: In regards to your utilities, yeah, the price is going up.

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Speaker 2: You don't know if the service is going to be

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Speaker 2: the same. The chances are that it may not be