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Speaker 1: the Lafayette Journal and Courier to talk about this. Sam,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get right to this point, and i

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Speaker 1: want you to tell me if I'm over selling it

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Speaker 1: or if I'm onto something. Okay, I'm looking at Purdue's

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Speaker 1: three losses, and in those three games, they allowed eighty

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Speaker 1: one attempts at three point shooting, and the teams that

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Speaker 2: In that area.

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Speaker 1: Indiana has shooters in Lamar Wilkerson and aswell Tucker Toreez

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Speaker 1: Devriez has not really gotten going of late. He's been

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Speaker 1: in kind of a mini slub. But they are rhythm

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Speaker 1: and an area that the Hoosiers can take advantage.

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Speaker 2: Now, am I.

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Speaker 1: Hallucinating here or am I onto something that could be

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Speaker 1: an area Indiana tries to take advantage of.

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Speaker 3: I think you're spot on. What Indiana does well offensively

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Speaker 3: And we've seen Wilkerson, you know, do something that nobody

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Speaker 3: I'm Purdue, I'm concerned. The three point defense hasn't been

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Speaker 1: You know, the when you talk about Purdue in that

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Speaker 3: I think that Purdue is going to Purdue as an

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Speaker 1: Sam, You've been around this group a lot, and you

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Speaker 2: Sam, my last name is Querry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now you're you're a master of the pen, so

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Speaker 1: From from a fans standpoint, I understand the heated hatred

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I'm saying in or is

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Speaker 3: Not a dumb question? And just to your point, I

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Speaker 3: Yes, but I kind of said this on a podcast yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're a similar age to me, and I

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Speaker 3: That's all you would hear in the playground and things

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Speaker 1: Sam King, my guest Jaba House Peel and Board guest line.

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Speaker 1: Purdue nine o'clock tonight down in assembly Hall, Sam, the Actually,

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Speaker 2: When did Perdue travel down to Bloomington?

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Speaker 3: They went yesterday, So there there now, I already saw

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Speaker 1: Sam King, Lafayette Journal and Courier coverage four Purdue. A

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Speaker 1: pleasure as always, Sam, and safe travels back when you're

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Speaker 1: coming back from Bloomington because it's going to be late

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Speaker 1: certainly appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure being on. Thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Sam King joining us on the Java House Peel and

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Speaker 1: I'm Pacers back in action tomorrow night at the field House.

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Speaker 1: I believe the Chicago Bulls the opponent yesterday. A businessman

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Speaker 1: another one of those games where came out, looked good

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Speaker 4: You know what I thought of when I heard when

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Speaker 4: you were just talking about that when I was watching

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Speaker 4: that third quarter unfold? This is what I thought of yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Is that the sound that that's my sound effective? Cars

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Driving into the snow bank?

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Speaker 1: Here right, you're a fan of my sound effects, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's kind of like me, Right, I got them?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're you're thinking of the police Academy Police Academy. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do we have Scott? Did you say yes, Scott? Agnes

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line Scott. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to begin with this before we get into the negatives.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with a few positives about the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Not easy to do in this kind of a season,

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Speaker 2: Am I being too rosy.

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Speaker 6: No, I entirely agree. I mean, he's had double digit

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Speaker 6: And they actually planned for that a couple of years ago, Jake,

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Speaker 6: that's when he really became the guy that could defend

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Speaker 2: But you're totally right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's become more well rounded in what he can do.

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Speaker 6: And I think though he'll look forward though to having

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Speaker 1: The other thing that if I'm looking at positives and

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's a little unfair because I think that we are

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Speaker 1: Walker is simply being, you know, a Derek McKee, Dwayne Farrell,

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Speaker 2: But he has not found consistency until late.

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Speaker 1: Is this now a turn of the corner for him

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Speaker 6: I'm with you, I still want to see more. What

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Speaker 6: And what I like most is the traits that we

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Speaker 1: Scott, Let's say, okay, we're going to look into the

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Speaker 6: Still coming back from that injury, has not shown to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Ben Shephard is exactly what you see

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Speaker 2: Scott.

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Speaker 1: One of the things Scott Agnes is my guest Fieldhouse

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Speaker 1: Files where you can read his work.

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Speaker 2: He's on the Joba House Peel and Poor Guest line

436
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Speaker 2: we have.

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Speaker 1: Certainly it feels as though it's a FATA company. It

438
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Speaker 1: feels as though the worst kept secret is that Ben

439
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Speaker 1: Matherin is the piece that the Pacers are going to

440
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Speaker 1: dangle to try to get themselves a center. Now, whether

441
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Speaker 1: or not Jay Huff how he plays into the future

442
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Speaker 1: will see. Michael Potter, how he plays into the future,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But do you believe is there any evidence

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Speaker 1: from the Pacers themselves that Ben Matheren is a trade

445
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Speaker 1: piece or is this just we who cover the team

446
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Speaker 1: and are around it making a conclusion based on what

447
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Speaker 1: seems to be logical of rotation.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't say there's any substance of evidence, nothing like

449
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Speaker 6: they've made clear he's not part of this group, or

450
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Speaker 6: they're trying to showcase him to up his value. I

451
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Speaker 6: don't think there's anything like that. To me, it comes

452
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Speaker 6: down to the financial aspect more than anything, more than fit,

453
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Speaker 6: more than usage rate, anything like that is uh is

454
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Speaker 6: the financial implications. And you have a big missing piece

455
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Speaker 6: there at that center spot that has bothered this team

456
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Speaker 6: all season long, healthy or not. And so I think

457
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Speaker 6: when you factor in all that and how much it

458
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Speaker 6: might cost to resign him, Because if you're Mathering, this

459
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Speaker 6: is your first big contract. Now you're a restricted free agent,

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Speaker 6: and since the new Collective Bargaining Agreement was ratified a

461
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Speaker 6: couple of years ago, restricted free agencies really favored teams

462
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Speaker 6: on that front. And so that's something to consider here.

463
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Speaker 6: And you don't have to be under the luxury tax

464
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Speaker 6: until the end of the season. So let's say the

465
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Speaker 6: Pacers were over the luxury tax at this time next year,

466
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Speaker 6: that's not super concerning for the limitations. But with that

467
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Speaker 6: said to your question, I think it's it's a combination

468
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Speaker 6: of how they play with and without him, and also

469
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Speaker 6: does can you can you upgrade this team the most?

470
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Speaker 6: Can you maximize the upgrades with this team, Jake by

471
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Speaker 6: moving on from a lottery pick like this. It's not

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Speaker 6: something you do easily, but I think it's something you

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Speaker 6: have to consider right now. Given their other limitations.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they would consider trading the pick and

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Speaker 4: the upcoming draft in twenty six.

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Speaker 6: It all depends, obviously, I think, Eddie, on what the

477
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Speaker 6: return is. So I would never rule it out, but

478
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Speaker 6: I would see that as highly unlikely. The reason where

479
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Speaker 6: it would make sense, and this is why you should

480
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Speaker 6: never just toss out that idea here is the Pacers

481
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Speaker 6: are in win now mode. So like we were talking

482
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Speaker 6: about the center position a lot, right, Eddie, And with centers,

483
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Speaker 6: Donnie Walsh taught me this years ago. You got to

484
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Speaker 6: give centers like three four plus years to even.

485
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Speaker 2: Know exactly what they are.

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Speaker 6: That's why with Isaiah Jackson I feel comfortable starting to

487
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Speaker 6: form an opinion on that front. But the Pacers don't

488
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Speaker 6: have three or four years. Siakam's in his best of

489
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Speaker 6: his career, Halliburton's probably entering the prime of his career,

490
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Speaker 6: and so with that said, it's got to be more

491
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Speaker 6: of a ready made player for this Pacer team. However,

492
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Speaker 6: the thing going back to the financial situation is it's

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Speaker 6: highly advantageous to have one of these star players on

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Speaker 6: a rookie deal for the next four plus years and

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Speaker 6: have the team control there. And that's something that they

496
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Speaker 6: would like to reset there.

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Speaker 4: Well, the reason why I asked that is because if

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Speaker 4: they were discussing that potentially with teams, if there's a

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Speaker 4: player out there, you would have to assume that said

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Speaker 4: player that they would acquire with utilizing the pick fits

501
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Speaker 4: the timeline with Tyreee. And it's not, you know, near

502
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Speaker 4: somewhere between Tyreee and Pascal in terms of age, because

503
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Speaker 4: you still have to find some pieces to build around

504
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Speaker 4: Tyreese for the future entirely.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they've really set their contracts up to be

506
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Speaker 6: surrounding Tyrese. I think it's through the twenty seven to

507
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Speaker 6: twenty eight season. But what we've seen work so well,

508
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Speaker 6: like with Oklahoma City, is they have guys now starting

509
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Speaker 6: to come off those rookie deals and get paid while

510
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Speaker 6: they're also resetting their clock. And because they have all

511
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Speaker 6: these draft picks, as they have these other younger guys

512
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Speaker 6: that are still in their first couple of years, so

513
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Speaker 6: they are costing pennies on the dollar compared to what

514
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Speaker 6: they're contributing out there. And this being such a good

515
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Speaker 6: draft class that I'd have a difficult time not making

516
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Speaker 6: a pick and not utilizing it. But again, it all

517
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Speaker 6: comes down to what the other side of the offer is.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you said that, you know, if it

519
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Speaker 1: takes three to four years to assess, and we're just

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Speaker 1: entering that window of assessment for Isaiah Jackson, your assessment would.

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Speaker 2: Be what.

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Speaker 6: I would say a little bit disappointing from what you

523
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Speaker 6: would have hoped first round pick twentieth. You would hope

524
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Speaker 6: that's a solidified role player without question, not necessarily needing

525
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Speaker 6: to be a starter. But that's kind of would be

526
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Speaker 6: my hope for the position that the Pacers acquired at

527
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Speaker 6: number twenty two, And right now it feels like he's

528
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Speaker 6: kind of a fringe rotational guy. Certainly was coming back

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Speaker 6: from an injury, had that setback with the concussion, which

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you've discussed. He later explained was a lot

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Speaker 6: more to it than we initially new there. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I would expect to see more from him, and I

533
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 6: think he can really unlock areas in which this team

534
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Speaker 6: does not operate in previous iterations.

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Speaker 2: Okay, two other really important questions here for you.

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Speaker 1: Scott scott Agnus my guest Fieldhouse files where you can

537
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Speaker 1: read his work. I bought a pair. I've never done

538
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Speaker 1: this before. I've never done this before. When I was

539
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Speaker 1: in the eighth grade Eastwood Middle School, as you know,

540
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Speaker 1: Scott Bruce Bowlings basketball team. That year, everybody bought Converse weapons.

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Speaker 1: That was a big shoe, Converse Weapons. I had a

542
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Speaker 1: pair of New Balance James Worthy New Balance high Tops

543
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Speaker 1: that I wore that season.

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Speaker 2: Actually liked him. I've always kind of liked New Balance.

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Speaker 1: My favorite pacer I'm totally open about it, is aaron

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Speaker 1: Ne Smith. I love that kind of I've always loved

547
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Speaker 1: that kind of player, a guy that just doesn't need

548
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Speaker 1: anything designed for him, just goes out does whatever you

549
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Speaker 1: need him to do. Love aaron Ne Smith. So I

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Speaker 1: bought a pair of the aaron Nie Smith New Balance shoes.

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Speaker 1: Never really bought a pair of shoes because of a

552
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Speaker 1: player before, but I did it for.

553
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Speaker 2: Aaron Ney Smith.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna buy a pair of shoes, and I

555
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Speaker 1: bought the New Balance shoes.

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Speaker 2: Now, I love them.

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Speaker 1: They're very comfortable, They've got great grip, which is awesome,

558
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Speaker 1: but they are literally atrociously fluorescent yellow. I mean, like

559
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Speaker 1: I could go out and stop traffic. Is there anywhere

560
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Speaker 1: other than at a pacer game where I can wear

561
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Speaker 1: those shoes?

562
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Speaker 2: And not be the world's biggest d bag.

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Speaker 6: I would say at the Lifetime basketball court, getting some

564
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Speaker 6: run in there, doing a workout. I feel like a

565
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Speaker 6: lot of people dress up for the gym, it seems like,

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Speaker 6: and I think that would be an area on the

567
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Speaker 6: monon certainly as you're getting your heartsteps and walks in. Okay,

568
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 6: not bad out there, and then maybe doing yardwork if

569
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Speaker 6: it's not too dirty, because you do not want to

570
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Speaker 6: get those dirty, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So so fashionably speaking, just putting those on with a

572
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Speaker 1: pair of jeans, I'm looking too much like Zach Morris.

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Speaker 6: Correct I was gonna say, we know More has that

574
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Speaker 6: great yellow pair he always travels with.

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Speaker 1: I'm not wearing it with a nineteen eighties San Francisco

576
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Seals Hawaiian shirt. So I guess there is that that

577
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Speaker 1: separates me from Mark Boyle.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: What I would not do is wear it with a

580
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Speaker 6: pair of jeans just to kind of go through the

581
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Speaker 6: airport out at the track with maybe some shorts on

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Speaker 6: a hot day.

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Speaker 2: I could see that. Okay, what about what about with

584
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: jeans do to a game?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and then wear a polo or a quarter

586
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Speaker 6: zip to match.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's that because I've already worn them once

588
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Speaker 1: to a game and burnt three people's retinas, no question,

589
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Speaker 1: and then two people thought I was Mark Boyle, which

590
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: was unusual.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

592
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Speaker 6: The other thing is you got the thematic thing there, right,

593
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 6: go into a game. It's fitting, so.

594
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course right. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Other question, you know, actually there's a I bought a

596
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Speaker 1: pair of Nikes also that. When I bought them, I

597
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: got an email about these Nikes on sale, and I

598
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: bought them because I thought they were blue and orange,

599
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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh well, I can wear those when

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Speaker 1: I go to Clemson games. So I bought them and

601
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: they showed up and they're actually the blue and gold

602
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: pacer that like the coaching staff wears. So I have

603
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Speaker 1: like those, so I wear those to the games too,

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Speaker 1: So I mean I'm a dork like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Other question is this, Scott, you went to Indiana. I

607
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Speaker 1: assume you grew up an Indiana basketball fan. Correct, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and football to be clear. So tell me tell me this.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the two to three. This is our theme

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Speaker 1: of the day. Give me the two to three Purdue

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Speaker 1: players that even when little Scott Agnes was growing up

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Speaker 1: and was the obnoxious Indiana fan as I was that

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Speaker 1: deep down you had to admit you could not dislike

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Speaker 1: them even though they played for Purdue. You didn't want

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Speaker 1: anybody to know it, but you kind of liked them,

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Speaker 1: either because they seem like good dudes, or you respected

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Speaker 1: and enjoyed their game.

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Speaker 6: It's probably top of mind because he does every single broadcast,

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Speaker 6: but Robbie Hummel's the first name that comes to mind

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Speaker 6: there with all those mm Outside of that, they went

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Speaker 6: through that dark period in the twenty tens or so

622
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 6: or whatever where they had to reassess what they were.

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Speaker 6: A throwback here Glenn Robinson, but I didn't grow up

624
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Speaker 6: with him, but I know he would have been I

625
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: know he would have been fun to watch throughout that.

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Speaker 6: Outside of that, that's there's probably not many. I think

627
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Speaker 6: more about the negative side of all that. The Brighton Cardinals,

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Speaker 6: the Chris Kramers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Purdue had so many guys that just made your

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00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: blood boil. And that's yes, and that the ultimate Todd Foster.

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Speaker 1: The ultimate sign of that is, you know, the the

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00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: ultimate respect is the fact that you don't like him,

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00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: right because deep down that means you're like, man, I

634
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: wish I had that dude on my team. You know,

635
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Speaker 1: I mean, will she will she? He was just, I mean,

636
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Speaker 1: a complete goon in the eyes of Purdue fans. But

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Speaker 1: will she he was also like the prototypical Purdue type player.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what That's what makes rivalries great. All right,

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Speaker 1: Scott Pacers in action tomorrow night, Bulls Field House Files.

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Speaker 2: You'll have all the coverage. Appreciate the time as always,

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Speaker 2: you got it. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the Joba House peeling poor

643
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: guest lineup. Now, I could be wrong in this. I

644
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: was wrong once in nineteen seventy eight, and that happened

645
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: again about three years ago, so I'm free to admit

646
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: there are times where I'm wrong. So I could be

647
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Speaker 1: wrong in this. Eddie Garrison can perhaps correct.

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Speaker 2: Me, but I believe they all run together to me

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Speaker 2: after a while.

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Speaker 1: But Stevenholder of ESPN dot Com set to join us

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Speaker 1: in just a minute, and I.

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Speaker 2: Believe and you folks can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked to Stevens since the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Miami National Championship game.

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong in that.

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Speaker 1: But as we get set for the Super Bowl, there's

657
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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about with Steven, including news in the

658
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Speaker 1: NFL today, Joe Brady is the new head football coach

659
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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. He is promoted from offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Interesting move because you would think that if the Bills

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Speaker 1: are going to make that kind of a change at

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Speaker 1: head coach, that that means that they needed an altogether

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Speaker 1: different direction.

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Speaker 2: But I guess they would know better than most. Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Is this the first time we've talked to Steven since

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Speaker 2: the National Title Game?

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Speaker 4: It is, indeed, Jacob. Remember we did the All Caller

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Speaker 4: Tuesday show. That's right in celebration, That's right.

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Speaker 1: So Steven joins us now on the Java House Peel

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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Steve and I saw before the

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Speaker 1: National Championship game he took a picture with your former

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Speaker 1: colleague Zach Keeper, who, of course was there rooting for Indiana.

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Speaker 1: You were rooting for Miami. Understandable you grew up there

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Speaker 1: at jer alma mater. Your overall thoughts before we get

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Speaker 1: to the NFL, just on that game in general, not

676
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Speaker 1: necessarily the exces and o's of the game, because we

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Speaker 1: know all that, but just the atmosphere, the Indiana fans

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm not gonna hold it against Zach. I

680
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: will still talk to him. We're still friends, so I'm

681
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Speaker 5: not that petty. That's the first thing. You know what

682
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Speaker 5: it was. It was pretty impressive. I can't lie. They

683
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Speaker 5: Indiana showed up. Miami fans made a lot of money,

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Speaker 5: so there's that. I'm not mad at him for that,

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Speaker 5: but it would have been nice to have more of

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Speaker 5: us in the building. But I do think it was

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Speaker 5: I mean, some people were saying fifty to fifty. I

688
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 5: thought it was a little bit a little bit more

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Speaker 5: lopsided to Indiana. I'll give Indiana that.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, they this they knew this was historic. Indiana

692
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: fans knew this was historic and treated it like that.

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Speaker 5: The other reality is that, like Miami fans, it's like

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Speaker 5: I'm getting off the subject and this is not what

695
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 5: you asked me. But I just feel the need to

696
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: say this, Miami fans are a little misunderstood, right Like

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Speaker 5: it's it's certainly a a big there's certainly a lot

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: of fans locally that that root for Miami, but they

699
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 5: also don't have the same emotional tie because we're a

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Speaker 5: small private school, right They don't have this huge alumni base,

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Speaker 5: so people aren't necessarily as invested, but like they're definitely

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Speaker 5: they just definitely grew up Colts. I mean Canes fans,

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Speaker 5: right if you were if you were here in the

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Speaker 5: you know, in the nineties and two thousands, eighties, nineties

705
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Speaker 5: or two thousands. But I do think it's a little different,

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Speaker 5: like right when Indiana, like someone in your family probably

707
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Speaker 5: went to TYU if you grew up in Indiana, you

708
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 5: know what I mean, like you have, right, there's many

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Speaker 5: more ties.

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Speaker 2: It's just different.

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Speaker 5: The big state school that is, you know, one hundred

712
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Speaker 5: and something years old. I don't know what it is

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Speaker 5: off the top of my head, but don't have the

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Speaker 5: history that Miami has. So it's just it's just a

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Speaker 5: complicated history. And then the other thing is that Miami

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Speaker 5: is is basically half transplants.

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Speaker 2: No one's from here. It's just the reality.

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Speaker 5: So uh, you know, we got a bunch of New

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Speaker 5: Yorkers and you know, people from everywhere else that wanted

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Speaker 5: to get out of the snow, and then he moved

721
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Speaker 5: here and they're like, oh, they played football here. That's interesting.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, but awesome event. Everybody got along. I think

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Speaker 5: both schools fans understood like the gravity of them being

724
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Speaker 5: there and how special it was, and so win or lose,

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Speaker 5: everybody was going to walk away from that feeling like, damn,

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Speaker 5: we did something big this year.

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Speaker 1: So were the IU fans pretty cool to the Miami

728
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Speaker 1: fans and vice versa.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, I think everything. I think everybody

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Speaker 5: got along great. And it's weird for me too, right,

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Speaker 5: because I saw so many Indiana people I knew, like

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Speaker 5: tons at the game, and you know, all my Miami

733
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: people looking at me like, how do you know all

734
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Speaker 5: these people?

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Speaker 2: Like where do I live? Man?

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Speaker 5: It's like So it was just it was a little

737
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 5: bit odd that, like I knew as many Indiana fans

738
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Speaker 5: at the game as they did Miami fans almost you know,

739
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: these people that I knew personally, right, So that was weird.

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Speaker 5: My experience was a little odd for that reason. But

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Speaker 5: I thought everybody got along great. You know, I was

742
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Speaker 5: sitting in a section that was a little more heavily

743
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: slanted to the Miami section, you know, the way the

744
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: tickets were divvied up. Our tickets were definitely in the

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00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: Miami section, if you will, But we were toward the

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Speaker 5: fringe of that area, and there were tons of Indiana

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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 5: fans mixed in where I was sitting, and there was

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Speaker 5: no animosity whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I stayed.

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Speaker 5: I watched the celebration after the game, like it was cool,

751
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like I thought everybody got

752
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 5: along well. There there wasn't a lot of arrogance. I

753
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: don't feel like on either side. If there's any arrogance,

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, it's gonna be Miami fans, right,

755
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: they're akin to some of us, at least not me,

756
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: but some are akin to like Raiders fans. I would say, oh, okay,

757
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 5: But it's been a long time, so like people have

758
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: learned to, like, you know.

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Speaker 2: Shut the hell up and not talk too much.

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Speaker 1: Trash eighteen twenty, By the way, the first year of

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Speaker 1: Indiana University. Stephen Holder of my guest ESPN dot com,

762
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: where you can read his work. Before we get to

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Speaker 1: talking about the Colts and the Super Bowl, Steven curious

764
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: of this. You went to the game, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: with a couple of college buddies. Typically when that happens,

766
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Speaker 1: there's always one guy that you find out like doesn't

767
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: get a lot of hall passes. At home during the

768
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Speaker 1: regular year, and thus as a result just goes absolutely

769
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Speaker 1: hogwile and before you know it, it's wearing like lampshades

770
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Speaker 1: on his head.

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Speaker 2: Any of that.

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Speaker 5: No, But but I do have a degenerate gambler in

773
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Speaker 5: the group who was like like, Hey, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm just gonna like hang out as a

775
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: casino for a little bit. And then next thing you know,

776
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 5: it's like I was there will five in the morning.

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, you got a problem. Man, Like you know,

778
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: it's okay, Like we're friends, we can we can get

779
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 5: through this. So you know, you learn more about people

780
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 5: as you spend more time with them.

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Speaker 2: You know. That's beautiful. All right, Okay, let's I talked

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Speaker 2: about this yesterday. I want your thought on it.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Seattle and you look at New England,

784
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: which if either of those two teams offers optimism for

785
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: the way the Colts are being built in which one

786
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: is an indictment on the Colts.

787
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Speaker 5: Okay, So I I space for a little But you

788
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: said out of the out of the out of the

789
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Speaker 5: Patriots and Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Correct, of the two in the Super Bowl, is there

791
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Speaker 1: one that offers glimpse for the Colts of optimism and

792
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Speaker 1: is there one that you say, see this is where

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Speaker 1: the Colts aired.

794
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: They should have done it this way. Hmm.

795
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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny because I think I think both

796
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Speaker 5: of those teams, I don't know that there's a lot

797
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: that I take away from them that I can apply

798
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: to the Colts unfortunately, but I will say I will

799
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Speaker 5: say this, I think the Seahawks are what the Colts

800
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 5: hoped to be this year, and now they were never

801
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 5: going to be that, right because they don't have like

802
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: Jackson Smith and Jigba or you know, someone like that necessarily,

803
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 5: like a completely dominant receiver. Maybe they're missing some some

804
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: pieces like that. Defensively, I don't know if they're twent

805
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 5: was ever going to be on that level. But I

806
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 5: think in theory the Colts were like, look if we

807
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 5: get because remember they had they had Geno Smith right,

808
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Speaker 5: and they were like, we got an upgrade. The Colts

809
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: had Anthony Richardson right, and they were like, we got

810
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Speaker 5: an upgrade. So there's the there's the parallel, I think,

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Speaker 5: and both those teams did upgrade at quarterback for sure,

812
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Speaker 5: but one guy stayed healthy and was able to see

813
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Speaker 5: it through. The other guy didn't. So now we're back

814
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Speaker 5: in this state where we're like, all right, he was

815
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Speaker 5: an upgrade, but like, you know, what's what's the what's

816
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 5: the ceiling with Daniel Jones, we still don't know right

817
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: because he didn't get to see it through, So we

818
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: don't know what that ceiling is. Now the Seahawks have

819
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: found what Sam Darnold's ceiling is.

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Speaker 2: So and and then there's.

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Speaker 5: Also the parallel of both those quarterbacks being guys who

822
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 5: were trying to, you know, find their way after failing

823
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 5: in the previous situation. Obviously, so that is obvious, But

824
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Speaker 5: I do think I would say Seattle is probably more

825
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: of the test case for the Colts. The question, as

826
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Speaker 5: I said, though, is do they have enough? Do they

827
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Speaker 5: can they compete outside of quarterback? Do they have enough?

828
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Speaker 5: And I don't know that they do. That's a question

829
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Speaker 5: that is still TBD. But the other thing there is

830
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Speaker 5: it's not just quarterback that like dominant defense can take

831
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Speaker 5: you a long way. There was a period this season

832
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Speaker 5: where Sam Donald hit a rough patch and this their

833
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: offense in general hit a rough patch just before they

834
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Speaker 5: played the Colts, And go back and look at the results.

835
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Speaker 5: I believe they went two games without scoring an offensive touchdown,

836
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Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken. So what carried them was their

837
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 5: defense through that they were able to survive it, and

838
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 5: then their offense found its way here in the playoffs

839
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 5: and look at them now, right. So ultimately that defense

840
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: is going to have to carry you at some point,

841
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: no matter how good your offense is. And so that's

842
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 5: another takeaway from the Seahawks there.

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Speaker 1: You know, Donald, I remember you saying, Stevenholder, my guest

844
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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line.

845
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Speaker 2: Steven.

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Speaker 1: I remember you saying before the National Championship game when

847
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: we were talking about Miami in Indiana, and you said

848
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: Carson Beck is prone to turnovers or mistakes, and we saw,

849
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Speaker 1: you know that Indiana got it at the end when

850
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: it mattered most. Sam Darnold, to me, is a good story.

851
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Speaker 1: I think most people would agree with that. This is

852
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: a guy that by all account seems likable. He was

853
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: in a couple of pretty bad situations. I thought last year,

854
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, against Minnesota, played really or for Minnesota, I

855
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: mean played really well, but then at the end.

856
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Of the year kind of reverted back.

857
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: And we saw that from Daniel Jones right, started to

858
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: slide a little bit into what the Giants had let go?

859
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Is there the possibility that and I want Seattle to

860
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: win the game? Open disclaimer, but I'm worried that Darnald

861
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: is that Midnight is going to strike and he's going

862
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: to have two turnovers in him in the Super Bowl?

863
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Speaker 2: Am I too paranoid?

864
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Speaker 5: I No, I mean I think there's there's a track

865
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Speaker 5: record there. We can't ignore it. I mean, but I

866
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Speaker 5: would say this. I was waiting for him to fall

867
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Speaker 5: apart in the playoffs two. Okay, just full disclosure, not

868
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: like rooting for it, but just anticipating it, you know

869
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Speaker 5: what I'm saying based upon what happened last year. I

870
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: do think though that now there is a body of

871
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 5: work from Sam Donald over two years. Okay, maybe we

872
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 5: don't have this with Daniel Jones. What we have with

873
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones is like ten games. But with Sam Darnold, now,

874
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 5: if you exclude that wild card game last year, you

875
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: have a body of work over two years. That's pretty good.

876
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: That's a long time, right, And I'm not saying there

877
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 5: haven't been any bumps in the road in there. There's

878
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: been a couple, you know, Doozies. I'm sure, but I

879
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 5: think that's meaningful two years of it. So they have

880
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: a lot more to judge him based upon. The Seahawks

881
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 5: have a lot more to judge Donald based upon than

882
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 5: the Colts do. And your question wasn't about wasn't about

883
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 5: the Colts. But I'm just you know, taking it full

884
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 5: circle here. They have a lot more to judge Sam

885
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: Darnold long than the polls to do Daniel Jones, which

886
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: is kind of interesting. So, uh, I'm gonna give him

887
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: a little benefit of the doubt here.

888
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I think I am okay, early glance at it, advantage

889
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: super Bowl goes to who.

890
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: I think Seattle's a more complete team.

891
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 5: Uh, They've they've got a more experienced quarterback. Now, granted

892
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: we just talked about you know, will he will he

893
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 5: be that guy when when the time comes, and we'll see,

894
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 5: but but I do think certainly he's a more experienced quarterback.

895
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: Drake may is a is a really fine player. I

896
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 5: really like Drake may I liked him. Frankly when the

897
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 5: Colts played at New England last year, I walked away

898
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: from that game. Now, the Patriots were awful, but I

899
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 5: walked away from that game, saying, you know what, this

900
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: guy he's he's a guy. I think this kid is

901
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: going to be a guy. And so anyway, so I

902
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: liked I like him. I like his future. I mean,

903
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 5: he's like twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, so he's

904
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 5: gonna be fine. But I think right now, I think

905
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: the Seahawks are I give them a slight edge as

906
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 5: the more complete team, and I think that's what's going

907
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 5: to carry them. I like, where's the weakness in their team?

908
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 5: There aren't a lot. I mean they're even going to

909
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: like special teams, you know, So I think in all

910
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: three phases, I think that team is superior.

911
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Neither of these teams a year ago did we think

912
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: they would be in the super Bowl today? This is

913
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: not Buffalo or Kansas City or San Francisco or the

914
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Rams that have knocked on the door or had success

915
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: of late. Does that give optimism for the Colts.

916
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: A little bit?

917
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 5: I think that you also have to look at for

918
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 5: particularly the Patriots. I think would the Patriots be in

919
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: the super Bowl if Lamar Jackson had gotten his act

920
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: together this year, if the Chiefs had done a better

921
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: job in the offseason, and Patrick Mahons not gotten hurt,

922
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: if Joe Burrow per usual hadn't gotten hurt, I don't know, right,

923
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that they struck gold at the

924
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 5: right time. They got their act together at the right time,

925
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 5: when the AFC was as wide open as we have

926
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 5: seen it in however long I mean many years. I think,

927
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: you know, certainly as wide open as it's ever been

928
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: in the Mahomes era. I mean, to not have to

929
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: face Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs as a win period,

930
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 5: you know. So I do think for the Patriots, I

931
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: think they're going to be around for a while. I'm

932
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 5: not saying they won't. And I love Mike Rabel. That

933
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: guy even coach his ass off, there's no questions about it.

934
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 5: But all I'm saying is I don't know if that

935
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 5: is instructive of what the Colts can do, like next

936
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: year when those teams maybe regroup, you know what I'm saying,

937
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 5: it's going to be back to potentially at least the

938
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 5: powerhouse AFC, you would think in theory, right, So that's

939
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 5: a question. But I do think I think there is

940
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: a lesson to take away there, which is, you know,

941
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 5: if you get the quarterback right and and you assemble

942
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: your roster in the right way. The Patriots also were

943
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: aggressive and free agency. That's got to be a part

944
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 5: of it for the Colts. Aggressive and free agency. You

945
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 5: can make a quick road back. The Seahawks, I think

946
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 5: a little slightly different deal, but certainly coaching has been.

947
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: A big part of it. Defense.

948
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: Defense, defense, I mean that that team's built on defense

949
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 5: and then offensively just just a just an unbelievable playmaker

950
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: in JSN and the right quarterback at the right time.

951
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's the Colts have some of that.

952
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: So I don't think they're that far away. But I

953
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 5: also am not predicting that it's going to be this

954
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: instant turnaround because it's hard. You can't you can't skip

955
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: any of those steps. You got to hit all of them, right,

956
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 5: And the Colts said they skip some. You know, you've

957
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: got to rush the quarterback, all these different things, right. So,

958
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 5: but I do not think that they're in some wilderness.

959
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 5: I don't believe that. But I'm not saying they're knocking

960
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 5: on the door either.

961
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: Steven. I want you to you know, we need Eddie.

962
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: We need a sounder of mood music.

963
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: Like when I tell people I want him to close

964
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: their eyes and you know, almost like meditative music, because

965
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask Stephen to do a little meditative

966
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: exercise here, right, Steven, you're a pretty easy going guy.

967
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: But I want you to pretend you're in the salt cave.

968
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: You got some Aroma candles going, and you're just listening

969
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: to nice You're just taking yourself somewhere else.

970
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Calgan, take me away here, okay.

971
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: And and in this moment, so in this moment, you

972
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: are sitting there and you are getting ready to enjoy

973
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the opening day of.

974
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: Thank you, Eddie, thank you.

975
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: It's you're you're enjoying mom opening day of Colts training

976
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: camp at Grand Park. It's a beautiful day in Westfield,

977
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you've got your laptop and

978
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: you're watching over and you're thinking about the privilege you

979
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: have of being the beat writer of the Indianapolis Colts

980
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: for ESPN dot com. And as you're looking over and

981
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: feeling your fortune and relaxing in this, you realize that

982
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: you have the pleasure right then to watch, as of

983
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: opening day of training camp, the number one quarterback of

984
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts in that moment, throwing to his top.

985
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: Three receivers in drills.

986
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: The four players that you are envisioning in this therapeutic

987
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: exercise are what four players?

988
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 5: Oh well, this is a trick question, I think because

989
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: it's the first day of training camp and so the

990
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: question becomes is Daniel Jones ready to play?

991
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: This is this is part of why we have the

992
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: therapeutic music, so that you can find yourself in the

993
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: moment to answer exactly that find your inners in.

994
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: That's right.

995
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: You see the way that you're reaching, You see the

996
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: way that and Jake was where he's going with this

997
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: here right, that's right.

998
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 5: So short aside, I did this deal where in the

999
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 5: Dominican Republic. Last time I was there, we went to

1000
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: the spa and got a massage. This is definitely the

1001
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 5: same saw may play, ok okay, So anyway I would say,

1002
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 5: I would say that Daniel Jones starts on pop the

1003
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 5: pup list. Okay, so he is not on the field.

1004
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: This is my prediction, and I predict you are watching

1005
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard throw to I think okay, I think Michael

1006
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 5: Michael Pittman, Alec Pears and Josh Downs Okay, I think

1007
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: I think they restructure Pittman bring them back and they

1008
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 5: keep their receivers together and pay alec Pears a lot

1009
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 5: of money. Okay, And yes, am I confident about it

1010
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 5: somewhat now, but that's my gap now An.

1011
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Eddie the music again, please if you could.

1012
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: We're playing this music because you are conducting an interview

1013
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson, who's on a massage table getting ready

1014
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: for his return, his triumphant return of.

1015
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: The National Football League.

1016
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: And he is getting a massage because, as we know,

1017
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: his body, while impressive, is one that is rather fragile,

1018
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: and he's getting ready to go out for training camp

1019
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: for his opportunity to stake his claim as an extended

1020
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: lifetime in.

1021
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: The National Football League as a quarterback.

1022
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: It is training camp, and you're getting ready to talk

1023
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: to him, and you're inside of a spa with Anthony Richardson.

1024
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: You walk out and you get in your car. You

1025
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: were in what state? Where are you? First of all,

1026
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: this is getting very weird. I don't know that.

1027
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: I didn't say to Seawan Watson. I didn't say to

1028
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: Sean watch it. I'm just saying so. So you're talking

1029
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: to Anthony Richardson on the eve of his day of

1030
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: training camp.

1031
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: You are in what state? Hm? I am in Hmm.

1032
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 5: This is good, This is good. Give me a second,

1033
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 5: me a second processing uh Arizona. Okay, I'm kind of

1034
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 5: bringing multiple quarterbacks.

1035
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: I feel I got a lot of spas in Arizona too, Right,

1036
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: that makes sense? See see there you go?

1037
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, so hey, when one quick aside, I actually did

1038
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: an interview once with Dwayne Wade sitting on the massage

1039
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 5: table pregame and he's getting like, I don't know, getting

1040
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 5: one of those like as the physical therapist or something

1041
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: giving him a massage, and he fell asleep in the

1042
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 5: middle of the interview.

1043
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: That's a true story, you know. That's the word I got.

1044
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: That happens to sixty percent of the people I talked

1045
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: to on the radio, Steven, so I can completely related, right,

1046
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: totally understand him.

1047
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 5: Listen, listen when you talk about quality journalism, That's what

1048
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 5: I'm talking about.

1049
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

1050
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: So the very first big time interview that I got

1051
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: to do. I mentioned this before on the air, but

1052
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Tony Gwenn was with the Podrays and he spent his

1053
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: off seasons in Indianapolis. Somebody have even told you the story.

1054
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Stephen and when I was like twenty five story. Yeah, yeah,

1055
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: I got a credential to go cover a Podrais game

1056
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do a thing on the fact

1057
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn lived here, and two hours before the game starts,

1058
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: I walked, I mean.

1059
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: As green and as naive as it gets.

1060
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: I walked right back into the clubhouse and Tony Gwinn's

1061
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: laying on a training table getting stretched, and I walked

1062
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: right up. Hey, Tony, it's Drake Querry for Indianapolis. Can

1063
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: I interview you?

1064
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: And the trainer looks atter like, what in the world

1065
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: who let you in here?

1066
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: I was at Kramer trying to get Paul O'Neil to

1067
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: hit two bangers for a kid in the hospital, and

1068
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Tony Gwinn looks at me and looks at him and goes, no,

1069
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: it's cool, man, it's cool. And he's like, yeah, meet

1070
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: me and my locker, and he could not have been

1071
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: a nicer, more down to earth guy. I think I

1072
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: told you that story at a Pacer game, but he

1073
00:53:59,480 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: was awesome.

1074
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I could do this all day.

1075
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: I won't because you know, you have actual commercials, but uh,

1076
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: I actually I covered Yankee spring training one time in Tampa,

1077
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 5: and I didn't know there was like a pecking order

1078
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: to like who could ask the first question like Jeter,

1079
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 5: and so I just went in there and like everybody's

1080
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 5: just standing around, like, well, I got a question. I

1081
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 5: really need an answer for this. I got right this

1082
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 5: fricking story they gave me. I gotta ask, well, I mean,

1083
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 5: if you guys aren't gonna ask a question, I'll ask

1084
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 5: the question.

1085
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: And I got.

1086
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: Glare's like that in New York media, They're like they

1087
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 5: were gonna they were going to assault me. It was

1088
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 5: like it's like a thing you got to like do

1089
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 5: the whole banter and all that. And I was like,

1090
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I don't.

1091
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: Know the rules. So I shut up the rest of

1092
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: the entire day.

1093
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I say one word of your early days as a reporter,

1094
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: give me the two players that jump out at you

1095
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: as being the ones that you now look back on

1096
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and realize they knew you were young, they knew you

1097
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: were inexperienced, but they were understanding and appreciative and were

1098
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: total class acts about it. Tony gwyn would be one

1099
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: for me. Reggie Miller would be another for me.

1100
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: I like this, I like this.

1101
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: I would say, hmm, okay, this happened to me with

1102
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 5: Anthony Mason one time. Okay, which this is a really

1103
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: surprising answer, probably, but Anthony Mason, who is one of

1104
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 5: the scariest human beings I've ever met. All right, he

1105
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: I believe he had just gotten traded to the Heat,

1106
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 5: and I was like, I was like one step above

1107
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 5: intern or something at the Miami Herald and.

1108
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: I was, I was.

1109
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 5: I was sitting there covering a WNBA game when we

1110
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 5: had a team back then, and he's sitting courtside. Now

1111
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 5: he's just gotten traded. No one thought to him, and

1112
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 5: he's sitting courtside. So I'm like, at halftime, I'm like,

1113
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 5: I'm going for it. So I go over there and

1114
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 5: I get I grabbed my at halftime and I said

1115
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 5: something really stupid and put my foot in my mouth,

1116
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 5: and he just looked at me. He's like, you were

1117
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 5: doing so well. And his friends sitting next to me,

1118
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 5: and they laughed their butts off at me. But then

1119
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 5: he gave me the interview and we thought that. I

1120
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 5: was like, this is cool, and my bosses were thrilled.

1121
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 5: So anyway, that's the one that comes to mind, and

1122
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie like it's it's the part of

1123
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 5: the job that like you're mortified in the moment. But

1124
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm gonna tell you something. If you ever

1125
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 5: run into me at a bar, like you're gonna be

1126
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: there for three hours because I had so many stories, man,

1127
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, I have so many

1128
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 5: stories and I unfortunate to have them because I had

1129
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 5: these interactions. So like, he didn't punch me, I think,

1130
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 5: And he's passed on now, I think.

1131
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: When he is, the late great Anthony Mason. Yes, when

1132
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: I was, he didn't. He didn't punch me, and I

1133
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: appreciate that.

1134
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: When I was a young buck at Channel six and

1135
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: basically they would do me the favor of giving me

1136
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: a microphone and allowing me to go in with the

1137
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: different photographers just to get soundbites right, and I would

1138
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: ask questions. But but I was behind the scenes guy.

1139
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: And once one day Ed Thornson walked in, he goes,

1140
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: what are you still doing here?

1141
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: Man?

1142
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: Like you're you're afraid to go out and test the waters.

1143
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: You just need to make a resume tape and get

1144
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: it out there. And I'm like, you know what, You're right,

1145
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: So that night, after a Pacer game, I walked up

1146
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: to Reggie Miller and I look back on this Steven,

1147
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, this is so incredibly naive,

1148
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: immature and unprofessional.

1149
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: Right.

1150
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: But I walked up to Reggie Miller and said and

1151
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: told him what I was doing. I'm putting together a

1152
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: resume tape. I'm trying to start a career. And I said,

1153
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: if I hand you the microphone, can you say, please

1154
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: hire this guy and get him out of Indianapolis because

1155
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: he always asks the hardest questions. And Reggie Miller goes, God, sure,

1156
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: So he grabs the microphone, looks at the camera and says,

1157
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm Reggie Miller the Indiana Pacers. If you're a news

1158
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: director contemplating hiring Jake Query, please do it because you

1159
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 1: got to get this guy out of the market because

1160
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: he always asks the hardest questions.

1161
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: And then, right, so I get the job. I left.

1162
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: I got a job in Saint Louis. I left. I

1163
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: come back to Indianapolis.

1164
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm home, like at winter break or whatever, might have

1165
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: been spending the summer or something, and I was out

1166
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: and I run into him and I walk up to

1167
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: thank him for doing it. And as soon as I

1168
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: walk up, he's like, man, that it worked, didn't it?

1169
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 1: It worked because I was on Fox Sports Midwest, which

1170
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: Terry Pacer games, and he was aware of it, and

1171
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: I always always appreciated that, always thought it was cool.

1172
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: All right, last one before they go, I will add.

1173
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 5: One more UKA for two. I'll give you one other

1174
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 5: one real quick, and it's not sports. The late John McCain.

1175
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 5: I interviewed him once, and I was a news reporter

1176
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 5: once upon a time because like, you know, I actually

1177
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 5: had I have journalism experience and stuff, you know. So anyhow, yeah,

1178
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: I interviewed the day after the Clinton hearings impeachment hearings ended.

1179
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 5: The country's in you know, complete disarray, and I was

1180
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: sent down to this Republican conference at the Dorale Country

1181
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 5: Club in Miami because he was going to be there.

1182
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 5: And they're like, you got to get John McCain, and

1183
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 5: I'm terrified. And I got him. I was like twenty

1184
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 5: two years old. I got him, and he and I

1185
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: didn't know what the hell I was talking about, and

1186
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 5: he gave.

1187
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Me like he answered all of my questions. But he

1188
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: was great. He was great. He was he was absolutely great. Okay, anyway,

1189
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: I always appreciate.

1190
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: The biggest horses ass you ever dealt with. And if

1191
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: it's somebody that you currently have to deal with and

1192
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to say it for that reason, I understand, right.

1193
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: Right, I would say I haven't had a ton of them,

1194
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: believe it or not, but I have not either. But

1195
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: there's one that jumps out, Well.

1196
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 5: There's there's probably a few. But you know who you

1197
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 5: know who gave me a hard time, not I say

1198
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 5: say a hard time, but just like he made my

1199
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: job hard with. But Davis former University mind me coach,

1200
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 5: Well I would. I wouldn't say it was like the

1201
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 5: horses ass necessarily, but.

1202
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: Like, dude, you just lied.

1203
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 5: Like dude, you're you're lying, and we we documented that

1204
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 5: you're lying to us, you know what I mean. It's like,

1205
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: come on, have a little more respect for me than that. Anyway, there,

1206
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 5: I would I would give you a better answer if

1207
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: I thought about it longer.

1208
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: Though, I assure you mine is Randy Johnson. But that's

1209
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: probably no surprise to anybody.

1210
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: That does not does not make me unique by any

1211
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. All right, Steven, appreciate the time.

1212
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: As always, we'll have a little more idea about the

1213
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Next time we talk, probably we can get

1214
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: into it further then.

1215
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: All right, sounds good. Steven Older joining us ESPN dot

1216
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Speaker 2: com