1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Do you believe these characters are weirdos? 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Rights over there with 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: a very special guest on the hotline. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: He's an Army veteran, an attorney, and the director of 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: the Center to Advance Security in America. James Fitzpatrick joins us. James, 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to join 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: us here in Indy. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: How are you hey, of course doing great, Thanks for 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: having me. Great to be with you. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: So, as the director for the Center to Advance Security 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: in America, let's talk about security in America. The war 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: going on right now, United States and Iran. A lot 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: of different layers here. We've got deadlines, we've got this, 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: we've got that. But let's start by talking about your 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: reaction to the rescue of not one, but two pilots 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: that had to reject after being struck down in enemy territory, 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: and the leadership and the wherewithal it took to find 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: these guys. 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, my reaction is just taking a step back 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: from the whole situation and realizing how blessed we are 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: as Americans to have a military that is capable of 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: pulling off, you know, an operation rescue operation like this, 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: that we have members of our military that are willing 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: to go over there to die to protect our homeland 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: and protect our interests, and to have a president who's 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: not afraid to make the bold decisions necessary to protect 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: members of the military, to rescue them and protect us. 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: And really, if you look at it, this whole operation 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: really highlighted the resolve and capability of the United States 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: Armed Forces, of our intelligence agencies. We have some Americans 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: who may disagree without the overall strategy here you know 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: about on Iran, they may disagree with the administration, but 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: things like this really bring us together. 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: So Pete Hegzi, in one of his early morning press briefing, 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: said he was delivering as the head of the Department 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: of War now basically stated, if you harm or you 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: kill an American, you're going to die. Now I'm paraphrasing that, 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: but here we've had a couple of guys that were 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: shot down what appears to be by enemy fire. Here. 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: What do you think is going through the mind of 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: the Secretary of War right now? 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: I think it's just that I know the very quote 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: you're talking about. I think it's exactly that if you 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: you know what I've heard him say before as well 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: is if you harm that, if you harm a hair 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: on the head of an American, We're going to find you. 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: We're going to hunt you down, and we're going to 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: take you out. So I think that's it. I think 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: that you've seen that from not only the Secretary, but 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: from the President in giving them a deadline. I think 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,559 Speaker 3: he's sick and tired of this. We have really destroyed 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: their capabilities, but they still do have some. And I 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: think the I think gave them a deadline I believe 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: at APM on Tunday to come to heal or he's 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 3: going to start taking out the infrastructure. 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: James, what did you think about the deadline tweet on 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Easter from the precedent using the F word, opening the 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: straight of horror moods, you know, crazy bastards. I think 60 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: was in there somewhere and the strategy who was he? 61 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't. 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the message was not for anybody in the 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: United States. That message was specifically sent to the Iranians. 64 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: And I notice also that Donald Trump did not say 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: anything about regime regime change or boots on the ground. 66 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: He was very specific about what the plan was in 67 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: the timeline, including power grids and bridges and things like that. 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: What did you make of that? 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: I think that this president has shown us time and 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: again that he is not willing to put up with 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: any crap from the Uranians or any of our enemies 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: for that matter. When he draws a line in the sand, 73 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: he means it and he keeps it. And I think 74 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: he's just sick and tired of this. And I think 75 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: that I think the pilots that were shot down probably 76 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: put him over the edge. And he's talking tough because look, 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: that's what these guys understand. And the President knows how 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: to speak to these guys, and they fear him. Frankly, 79 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: they respect him and they fear him. And we've had 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: past presidents who just they don't know how to speak 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: with these guys. They don't know how to deal with them. 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: This president does. President Trump knows how to deal with 83 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: these regimes. He's done it successfully. He has taken a 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: fair amount of them out already, if not, you know, 85 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: almost all of them. And the line is in the sand, 86 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: and I think they know not to cross him. 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: We're speaking with James Fitzpatrick, director of the Center to 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: Advance Security in America is also an Army veteran. H 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 2: James on social media after the tweet that Nigel brought 90 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: up with the President was pretty pretty passionate with his 91 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: words there. I saw so many Democrats claiming that the 92 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: President is threatening a war crime by threatening the energy 93 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: targets with Iran. He's just admitting to a war crime. 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: When you see that type of stuff, what goes through 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: your mind. 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's just raw politics from from Democrats. 97 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: I think, really these folks that the president nothing the 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: President could do. There's nothing he could do that they 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: would support, right, So any chance they get, they're going 100 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: to attack him. You know, he is making decisions that 101 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: are bold, that are that are pregently going to change 102 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: the course of history. We've had many presidents have opportunities 103 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: to take this regime ount uh and then they've passed 104 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: on them. So I think when he saw that there 105 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: was a threat to our homeland, to our allies and 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: in the region, and that if he didn't act that 107 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: many you know, imagine waking up on the Monday morning 108 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: and they're being thousands of our soldiers killed in Middle East. 109 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: The Democrats will be seeing the different too, right, So 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: of course, now that things are going well, you know, 111 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: they want to hit him. So I don't know. I 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: don't know all the details about what they're talking about 113 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: about war crimes and whatnot, but I know that everything 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: we've done has been legal. We've struck legal targets, and 115 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: that is that is like they're going to be the 116 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: case moving forward. 117 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: James, do you know any details about how this fighter 118 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: jet was shot down? I'm hearing it was quote unquote 119 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: new technology that the Iranians used. Where did they get 120 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: this technology? Is that some sort of you know, new 121 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: technology for Iran as relative it could have been ten 122 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: years old. Where did they get it? Do you know 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: anything about that? 124 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: I don't. I apologize, I know that's all right, Yeah, 125 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: I understand. My understanding was that we took out all 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: their surface to air capabilities. But you know, I think 127 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: these you know, I don't know all of the details 128 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: about exactly where it was, how low it was flying. 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: There's various ways you could shoot these out of the sky, right, 130 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: so unfortunately it happened. I think I'm I'm confident that 131 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: not only is the Department of War, but all of 132 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: our intelligence agencies are going to find that out and 133 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: take out whatever type of system took took those planes out. So, uh, 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: that's that's the thing that I think we have to 135 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: remember here is as we move forward in this situation, 136 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: this whole rescue operation sends a message to them that 137 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: not only are we going to rescue anyone, no one 138 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: gets left behind, right, We're going to go deep into 139 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: enemy territory, under fire. We can do whatever we want. 140 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: We're going to go wherever we need to go. We're 141 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: going to do whatever needs to be done to eliminate 142 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: the threat to secure you know, whatever nuclear equipment or 143 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: destroy nuclear capabilities that they have left to kill their 144 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: remaining leadership. And and I think it strikesphere within them 145 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: that they saw what we were just able to pull off, 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: which is frankly one of the most daring and dangerous 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: military operations potentially ever executed by the United States. 148 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: What other things I thought was interesting that they the 149 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: United States destroyed anything that was left by the United States, 150 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: whether it was down to aircrafts, and they did the 151 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: same the same thing for they Osama Bid laden raid. 152 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: They destroyed anything left. Why does the uns US military 153 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: do that? 154 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: Well, look, as we saw the disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: that was that was not done. And I think, you know, 156 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: we do that because we have such sophisticated technology and 157 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: all of our aircraft and all of our weaponry that 158 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: you know, there are ways that it could get out 159 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: and maybe you know, Iran or be able to access 160 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: that in another way, but we don't want you directly 161 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: hand it to them, right we. 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: Had they could lose it against us. 163 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: They could use it against us, but they can They're 164 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: more likely to take it and study it and then 165 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: try to replicate it. Right. So, I think we think 166 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: that the investment we're using, the weapons, we've successfully use them, 167 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: you know, the taxpayer investment has been used you know 168 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: well and successfully. So destroying them is better for the 169 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: overall outlook of the country's future as opposed to them 170 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: stealing our technology. 171 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: James Fitzpatrick with US, director of the Center to Advanced 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: Security in America. James, one more thing here before we 173 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: let you go again. The tweet heard around the world 174 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: from Easter morning, where the president's fired up, he's dropping 175 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: f bombs, he's praised me to a law, he's trolling 176 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: his haters, he's doing all the things. I find it 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: somewhat ironic that the same people who are bothered by that, 178 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: we're all in on calling people people like myself, people 179 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: who voted for Donald Trump, racist and fascist, every name 180 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: you could think of. These people called us that four 181 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: years Hell, they're still doing it. But yet the president 182 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: drops one little f bomb on Easter Sunday and you 183 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: think the world's coming to an end. 184 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. Of course these are people who you know, act 185 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: like you know, this is they're they're acting like they 186 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: are holding Easter Sunday sacred somehow, and they've this is 187 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: the first time that they've ever you know, acted that 188 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: acted that that they is sacred in their life, right, 189 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: you know, So they'll just use any sort of excuse, uh, 190 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 3: to try to take the president down. Look, the president 191 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: has his own style and it clearly works. He he 192 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: he knows how to talk to the audiences he was 193 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: speaking to and as you said earlier, I think he's 194 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: he's speaking to the regime over there and it's remaining 195 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: uh leaders who any striking fear in their heart. Right. 196 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, all these people who just want to who 197 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: want to you know, beat him down on the on 198 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: the left, Uh, you know, they're just suffering from CDs 199 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: and it shows, and frankly, it's just stathatic. 200 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 2: When the president drops an F bomb, people listen. When 201 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: Joe Biden just squints into the camera and says, don't 202 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: nobody listens. That's what I've taken from this. 203 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 3: That's right. The president knows how to wield his power well, 204 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: and he's clearly done it well, and the prior president 205 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: did not. 206 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: James Fitzpatrick, army, veteran attorney and the director of the 207 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Center to Advance Security in America. James, thank you for 208 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: your service, thank you for your time, and we'll talk 209 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: again soon. 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, gentlemen, I appreciate it.