1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: So now the government's about to reopen and it's on 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: to Obamacare. It's Kennelly Casey Show. I'm Rob Cases out 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: today Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circle in 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: for Casey. Look, this is what we said from the beginning. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: We have said this for months now. This is why 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: the shutdown wasn't that interesting to me, is the Republicans 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: and Democrats are not going to veto what it's all 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: said and done, Joe Biden's spending levels, Joe Biden's government. 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: That's exactly what's going on. That's what the Republicans are doing. 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Their victory lap on passing is Biden's spending levels and 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: most of Biden's spending priorities. So we knew that wasn't 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: going to stop. And I said, when it's all said 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: and done, the Republicans for fifteen years, Ethan have huffed 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: and they have puffed about Obamacare. What have they done 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: to stop it? Absolutely nothing. I remember when the battle 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: for Obamacare was functionally lost, and it was that famous 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: moment with when John McCain and his feeble self waddled 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: up to the Senate floor and gave that thumbs down 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: on overturning Obamacare, and that was it. That was the tiebreaker. 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I remember walking through the halls on that day and 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: I ran into one of our former co workers, Brian Baker, 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: who was still working here at the time. He was 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: acting as a writer, and I told him, I said, 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: we are never ever going to turn over Obamacare. It 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: is now a functionally permanent part of the American government. 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh God, no, please don't let that 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: be the truth. I mean, look, if you didn't get 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: it under Trump, because the American people had handed the 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: Republicans all the keys to power. We had a majority 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: in the House, majority in the Senate and the White House, 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: which is what Republicans said they needed to have in 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: order to overturn this monstrosity, and they weren't able to 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: accomplish it. Now. I think ultimately this discussion will probably 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: end as Obama had intended, in some form of government 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: socialized medicine, medicare for all. Yeah, and one of the 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's legalized vote buying, right, and it is 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts. And Obama's ultimate goal was 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: government controlled healthcare. He didn't care how he got there. 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we have here in Indiana. That's 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: why when Pence was like, well, I don't want to 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: call it Obamacare's it can called bananas if you want. Well, 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: I'd like to call it hip two point Oh great, good. 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: It's the expansion of Medicaid. Was exactly what it is. 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: And so now the fight, the supposed fight, is going 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: to be about Obamacare. And I'll get your thoughts since 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: before we play some of this audio, I see zero 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: way and I have zero faith in the Republicans after 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: fifteen years of promising to do something and not doing it. 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: That the overwhelming majority of Obamacare. Now, they may call 50 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: it something different, it may have some tweaks to it, 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: so they can try to spin it and sell it, 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: but the majority of Obamacare will remain intact whatever they 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: end up voting on. 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: Oh. 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Republicans. The best possible scenario that we can hope 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: for from the lackluster leadership of Republicans in Congress is 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: keeping the status quo, so Obamacare will continue to function 58 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: largely unchanged in the way that it has since two 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. And I think Obama was very intelligent 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and very calculating. He knew all he had to do 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: was lie enough to get the bill across the finish 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: line when he said, if you want to keep your plan, 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: if you want to keep your doctor, you'll be able 64 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: to keep both under my system. And of course that 65 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: didn't come to be. We know that was a lie. 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: We know that Obamacare did not ultimately did nothing to 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: address the cost of medicine. If anything, it has gone up, 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: and I think that was part of the intention to 69 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: slow walk us to a socialized medical system. All right, 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: So it's Sally's favorite part of every show. Eathan, your 71 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: long time veteran of this program, and you know, I 72 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: loath above all else to have to take these very powerful, 73 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: valuable airwaves and tell people how right I was about something. 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: But we have to do it here because what we 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: have said for years now on this show, certainly in 76 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: a post COVID world, is none of this is real. 77 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Everything is made up. It's manipulated by the government. You 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: cannot shut a society down. I think there's not gonna 79 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: be any ramifications. They have delayed, they have deceived, they 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: have thwarted by throwing money at things and printing money 81 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: and doing this program and getting people enrolled on this 82 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: thing and that thing. And now it's time for people 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: to pay up in James Comer, who is a representative 84 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: from Kentucky Republican, said exactly what I've been saying. It 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: is a fake economy and Obamacare is part of it. 86 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: This is why no Republican voted for Obamacare. This is 87 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: a fake economy. You can't have a third of America 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: receiving some type of free government health care and then 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: have you know, another third that's getting a subsidized rate 90 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: that falls on the final third that's having to pay 91 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: increased health care previews. 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: If you're on. 93 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: Obamacare, then you've got a pretty good deal. But if 94 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: you're a small business owner trying to pay a health 95 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: care benefits for you your employees, you're having to pay 96 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: more because of the failed Democrat health care policies. So 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: I'm glad that this has finally come to the national attention, 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: and this is an issue that I think Congress is 99 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 3: going to have to address. I think it should be 100 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: voted on and there should be alternatives because the Democrats 101 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: broke our healthcare system in America and it's going to 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: be left up to Republicans to fix it. 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: Now, yea, was that the punchline? Yeah, that's why We 104 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: went out on that one. Right, Yeah, it's up to us. 105 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: We're going to do it this time. But look, I 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: mean again, but he is absolutely right, not that they 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: ever do anything about it. But Obamacer didn't make health 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: care anymore affordable. It didn't make it better. It simply 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: just forced people to pay for other people's health care. 110 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: Did enrich the insurance company, That's all it did. It 111 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: was the largest, one of the largest transfers of wealth 112 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: in American history, under the guise of providing for the poor, 113 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: the disparate, the needy. But you're absolutely right, the money 114 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: didn't go to them. They still get largely the same 115 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: lackluster health care that they had got in pre Obamacare, 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: but now it is much more expensive and the money, 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: the taxpayer money that is paid in our increased rates, 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: is being transferred to these mega, mega corporation insurance companies. 119 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: All right, So Trump was on Fox News and one 120 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: of the major problem, well, look, that had several problems 121 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: the first time through. One is they don't want to 122 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: get out of legalized vote buying business. They being the Republicans. 123 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: They also don't want to anger the insurance industry because 124 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: they get these politicians get gobs and gobs of money 125 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: from them for their campaigns, and they didn't lay out 126 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: a clear plan. Like nobody really knew what the Republican 127 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: alternative was. Like that was the big thing, right, Like 128 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: it was all over the map, and it was just 129 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: like the big bullcrap bill. They just kept changing it 130 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: and now it's this, and now it's that, And in 131 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: the end it didn't even end up looking all that 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: much different than Obamacare. But Trump took a stab at 133 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: discussing what the new healthcare policy in this country should 134 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: look like. 135 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Well, I watched Obama from when this thing came about. 136 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: As you know, I have posted very strongly. 137 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Unfortunately we had a couple of negative votes, which should 138 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: never have happened. 139 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: But I said, it's going to be a disaster. 140 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: And I was exactly right that the premiums have gone 141 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: up like rocket ships. 142 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: And I'm not just. 143 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: Talking about recently. I'm talking about for years. They've been 144 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: going up. And he said, premiums will go down, everything 145 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: will be wonderful. It's horrible health insurance that are very 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: high priced. And what I want, and probably what you're 147 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: alluding to is the fact that I want instead of 148 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: going to the insurance companies. I want the money to 149 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: go into an account for people with the people by 150 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: their own health insurance. It's so good, the insurance will 151 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: be better, it'll cost less. 152 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 2: Everybody's going to be happy. 153 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: They're going to feel like entrepreneurs are actually able to 154 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: go out and negotiate their own health insurance and they 155 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: can use it only for that reason. That's only for 156 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: that purpose. And if we did that, that would be 157 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: so exciting. Call it trump Care, call it whatever you 158 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: want to call it, but anything but Obamacare. Obamacare is 159 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: a disaster, just like he was as a president. 160 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so when when do we start doing that? I mean, 161 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: that's what's ludicrous about this is the shutdown's been going 162 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: on for forty days. They knew at some point it 163 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: was going to open, you know, at some point they 164 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: were gonna have to engage in the healthcare discussion. There's 165 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: been no public talks about any of this. They have 166 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: no plan for anything. He is right about one thing, though, 167 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: the cost of insurance premiums has risen precipitously. And you 168 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: have a better viewpoint on this than I do, because 169 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: what was it passed Obamacare in two thousand and nine, 170 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: twenty ten was when it was officially passed, and I 171 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: was not yet old enough to purchase catastrophic health care 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: insurance for myself, but you were. I was, Now, how 173 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: much were you paying per month? Just I guess almost 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: twenty or fifteen years ago. Yeah, so I had I've 175 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: told the story before. I had a seven. My plan 176 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: was seventy five dollars a month. Yeah, you could never 177 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: find that today, right, Yeah, No, I am paying I 178 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: think three hundred and eighty five dollars I'm on for 179 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: my wonderful Obamacare insurance policy. And it was a good plan. 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: It was, you know, obviously a young, you know, thankfully 181 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: healthy person at the time, I didn't need anything other 182 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: than the catastrophic type of you know, insurance stuff. And 183 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: it was great and it worked for me. And I 184 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: will never forget this. And it just happened as like 185 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: two ships passing in the night. Right. I just had 186 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: started at the state, so I was into their insurance policy. 187 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Thank you taxpayers for that fabulous insurance. Well, the insurance 188 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: wasn't fabulous, but these subsidized insurance for a couple of years. 189 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: You notice how the politicians never do what I just did, 190 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: which is thank the taxpayers. Thank you taxpayers. I appreciate 191 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: that helping me with that insurance for a couple of years. Well, 192 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: I think you also hit the nail on the head 193 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: when you said, well, the insurance wasn't great, but the 194 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: subsidy was great. And how many people feel exactly that way, 195 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: even at the system is horrible. If you're getting it 196 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: for free, then hey, it's working for me, because I 197 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: went from it was big. The two things i'll bring 198 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: this story full circle. One, the plan was almost identical. 199 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: Now they've eliminated that plan. It doesn't existing where you 200 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: used to have different options as many people remember, without 201 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: all the requirements because remember they sort of delayed a 202 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff with Obamacare and the like the mandate 203 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: you even have insurance and all that stuff. Well, the 204 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: plan was very similar. It wasn't identical, but it was 205 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: very similar. And I was paying like twenty five dollars 206 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: a month when I went into the state insurance. I 207 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: can't remember that number is exactly right. It may have 208 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: been a pay I can't remember. Anyway, it was like, wow, 209 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: this is tag you know, and obviously they can do 210 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: it through a group thing or whatever. But a point 211 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: in all of this is when I write about the 212 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: time I started at the state. This must have been 213 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. I got this letter so clearly one insurance 214 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: had not caught up with another, because you know, you 215 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: cancel one insurance when you take out blah blah blah. 216 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: And I get this letter and I still have it 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: to this day. We're sorry to let you know that 218 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: your plan has been canceled and is no longer available 219 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: under the whatever the terms of the Affordable Care Act. 220 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: And I thought, man, I would be ballistic if I 221 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: were on my own now didn't bother as much because 222 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: I was through, you know, to the state's insurance plan. 223 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: But I thought I took a picture of it. I 224 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: posted up to social media at the time. I said, 225 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: I thought if I liked my plan, I could keep it. 226 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: I thought if I liked my doctor, I could keep it. 227 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: This appears to not be keeping in the spirit of 228 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: keeping my plan. I love that you are just the 229 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of pettyman who would keep a letter from their 230 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: insurance company for going on fifteen years. 231 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 5: Bro. 232 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Bravo, sir. I'll try to go back through. I've got 233 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: it posted on because, like I said, I post on 234 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: social media and every so often I pull it back out. 235 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: But it's a hypocrisy of it. Right, Like I, as 236 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: a as a small business owner, had a plan. You know, 237 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm not in any government benefits on anything. Like here's 238 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the cost I pay it. It works for me, thank you. No, no, no, 239 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: you can't have that anymore. Why not because we said 240 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: you got to have all these other things, but I 241 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: don't need all those other things. Well, yeah, you gotta 242 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: have them, but for why because we said, oh is 243 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: it the same price? No, no, no, it's a lot 244 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: more expensive now. So I had a plan that worked, 245 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: it fit my needs. I can't have that anymore. Have 246 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of stuff I don't need, and 247 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna charge me a bunch more. Yes, that is Obamacare. 248 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: That is exactly the healthcare system in this country because 249 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: you're paying increased prices so the poor and the disparate 250 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: can be fodder for the Democrat Party. Yeah, we got 251 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: some more shutdown stuff when we come back. Ethan's in 252 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: for casey ninety three WIBC. So everyone's mad and Rand 253 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: Paul and this is fascinating to me, and it's really 254 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: where the Republican Party is today. So let's explore this 255 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: for a second. It's Kennelly Casey Show. I'm rob Ethan's 256 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: in for Casey. So Rand Paul was throughout this whole 257 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: shutdown process, the one Republican who kept voting against the 258 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: bill and Trump all these people, of course we're ripping 259 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: on him. And then once the thing finally got up 260 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: to a vote, once they got the Democrats that go along, 261 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: he tried to hold the thing up. And we'll get 262 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: to that in a second, because that's fascinating as well. 263 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: But we are now at a point where we're thirty 264 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,479 Speaker 1: eight trillion dollars in debt as a country. Everything is unaffordable, 265 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: the spending is continuing. They're like just totally out of control. 266 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: And now the official stance of the Republican Party is 267 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: ran Paul's the bad guy for going I think we've 268 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: kind of spent enough. Maybe we should stop doing that. 269 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: Isn't that a fascinating indictment of congressional Republicans that Ran 270 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: Paul one of the few Republicans who are doing the 271 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: work of the people and is standing up against the 272 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Biden spent era spending level, something that as a party, 273 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Republicans had represented themselves to be against. And now when 274 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: he is thumbs down on doing exactly that, Ran Paul 275 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: is suddenly the bad guy. And they do it to 276 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: Thomas Massey too. It's a shame. Well, why do they 277 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: hate this show? They hate this show because we tell 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: you exactly what they're doing, and as principled people, we say, uh, 279 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: we're not on anybody's team, and the team we're on 280 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: is the team of the listener. And you're getting screwed. 281 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: And when the I always see this with people, even 282 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: let's work through this for a second. I saw some 283 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: guy post this yesterday. I like Rob's feuse, I just 284 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: I feel very childish with these politicians the way he 285 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: goes about it, And I don't like the way he doesn't 286 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Say? Please stop screwing everyone? 287 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: This is the question I always come back with, How 288 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: should I handle it better? Please don't screw us over, 289 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Please don't tax us into oblivion, Please don't rack up 290 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: thirty eight trillion. If we're talking about the net, like, 291 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? How should I handle 292 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: it better? If the name calling really bothers you, well, 293 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: we already tried the please because you were there I 294 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: was there at the property tax rally on Saint Patrick's day, 295 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: say please, governor stop screwing us, please do something to 296 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: address the property tax issue in Indiana. And look how 297 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that turned out. Nobody did more for those guys than me. 298 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: And what did it get us? The same thing it 299 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: got us, anyway. And you were very nice about it too, 300 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you said, pretty please stop screwing us. Yes, and so 301 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: like I always find that fascination. Well, look, you're right 302 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: on the issues, but I just I don't care for 303 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: the way you go about it. What would you have 304 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: me do? Diff friendly? So anyway, same thing with Rand Paul. 305 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: He's doing the stuff that the Republicans say they're supposed 306 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: to be for. Right, they're supposed to be the party 307 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: of low taxes and limited government, and they're for kind 308 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: of low taxes for some. If I guess you donate 309 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: or have the right lobbyist, then you kind of get 310 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: lower taxes. But collectively, I mean, think about the tax cuts. 311 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: You still have people, many people who have effective tax 312 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: rates in the thirties, even middle class people have tax 313 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: rates in the twenties. Like what like why is that? Okay? 314 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: What has the federal government done to earn that. So 315 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Rand Paul was holding up the vote in the Senate 316 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: making these amendments and whatnot, and Mike Johnson, the Speaker 317 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: of the House, is mad at him for standing up 318 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: for his constituents. 319 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: And what happens and then when's that vo gonna come? 320 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 6: Well, that's the big question right now. The latest update. 321 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 6: I'm just down the hall from the Senate chamber. Rand Paul, 322 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 6: maybe a couple others are gumming up the work, so 323 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 6: to speak. They're holding this up a bit because they 324 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 6: have a couple of little parochial priorities that they want 325 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 6: to use as leverage to get the final vote. But 326 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: we're hoping that they will fast track this. I mean, 327 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 6: if they wanted to, they could probably drag this out 328 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 6: into the weekend, but that would just exact a whole 329 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 6: other level of pain on the American people when they 330 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 6: can at least afford it. So we're praying that they 331 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 6: get about the business fast tracked this thing. I have 332 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 6: already put the House on notice that all members are 333 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 6: to be headed back to the bill right now. 334 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: So basically, unless you play by whatever hostage situation rules 335 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: we lay out, if you advocate for your constituents, which 336 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about here in just a second, 337 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: about what he was doing. Then you're a bad guy 338 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the Republican Party. Sound familiar, Ethan, 339 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: It sounds very familiar. But I'm also trying to understand 340 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the terminology he used. Parochial. The primary definition is relating 341 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: to a church parish having a limited or narrow outlooks. 342 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: So what about this has anything to do with ram 343 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Paul's church? All right? So what ram Paul? Now he's 344 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: upset about the spending. He would have voted no anyway. 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: But what he was holding this up on was tucked 346 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: in this book cause there's always suff tucked in the bill, right, 347 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: it's never see the Republicans tried to paint the sass. Oh, 348 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: it's just a straight funding bill. There's no games here, 349 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: there's no shenanigans here. It's just Joe Well, they didn't 350 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: say Joe Biden's business as usual, but it's just Joe 351 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Biden's government as usual. But what was tucked in the 352 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: bill because there's always stuff giveaways, you know, donors and 353 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: lobbyists being appeased is now what many of people are 354 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: perceiving as a massive change to the hemp industry in 355 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: this country, which will affect farmers. Ever. Now, of course, 356 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: then the people hate Ran Paul try to spin into 357 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: he's shutting keeping the government shut down for weed. No, 358 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: hemp and weed are very different things. And Kentucky will 359 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: be harmed by this bill based on the changes they've made. 360 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: In fact, he explains it better than I do. Here's 361 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Ran Paul. 362 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 7: Instead of a clean cr this bill contains language that 363 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 7: has been air dropped in that will destroy hemp farming 364 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 7: in Kentucky and across the United States. Tucked away on 365 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 7: page one sixty three, Title seven, Division Beam of this 366 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 7: spending package is of provision that will shut down the 367 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 7: hemp industry across the United States. My amendment would strip 368 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 7: the provision designed to regulate the hemp industry to death. 369 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 7: The bill as it now stands, overrides the regulatory frameworks 370 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 7: of several states, cancels the collective decisions of hemp consumers, 371 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 7: and destroys the livelihoods of emp farmers. 372 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: So sounds like that's a lot different than just funding 373 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: everything as the status quo, doesn't it Ethan? Yeah, And 374 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm really puzzled why they would be opposed to hemp, 375 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: because it's things that can be used for textiles, for hemp, 376 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: cree paper, ropes and cords. That that isn't anything that's intoxicating. 377 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: Who's getting rich, that's always the question, and they want 378 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: to make changes. Who's getting rich? And you notice when 379 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: he calls this out right, he's saying, here's where it 380 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: is in the bill. Here you know again, So what 381 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: a novel concept. Someone actually reads the stuff before they 382 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: vote on it. How many of these you think these 383 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: people actually read this thing even though they had forty 384 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: days to read it. I bet not many, but actually 385 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: reads the bill says here's where it is. This is 386 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: harming my constituents. This isn't about continuing the government. This 387 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: is about making a major change. What do they do. 388 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: They turn him into the bad guy. They make him 389 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: out to be the bad guy for saying, I'm not 390 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: voting for this because it's or I'm going to slow 391 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: this up going forward because it's harming the people who 392 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: make money where I live. They did the same thing 393 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: with the Big Bullcrap Bill, which also included spending that 394 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: will continue to be used to fund to legal immigrants 395 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: in America. All right, let's take a break when we 396 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: come back. There's an interesting article in the Indie Star 397 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: about referendums, school referendums and what could be coming next year. You, everybody, 398 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: everybody better get ready because this is going to be 399 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: hell on Earth is a strong word, but it is 400 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: going to be a dumpster fire next year. In the 401 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: school referendums. It's Kendall the Casey Show, NTY three. Do 402 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: do you IBC? 403 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 5: Yeah? 404 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: Thank you to all of you who have served our 405 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: country are currently serving our country. Happy Veterans Day. It's 406 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: Kennelly Casey Show. Rob Ethan's in for Casey. So interesting 407 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: article in the Indie Star about the future of school 408 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: referendums in the state of Indiana and what's fascic is 409 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: so obviously there were these school districts who are sprinting 410 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: to try to get these referendums in this year ahead 411 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: of the new law which will require you to go 412 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: to a general election in even years. It's part of 413 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: that Senate Bill one. And there were two types of 414 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: referendums that were up this year. And there were what 415 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: they call renewal referendums, because once these things start, they 416 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: almost never stop, like once you vote, they're supposed to 417 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: be for eight years, and they know you got to 418 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: come up again. 419 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: Now. 420 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: I think the new law makes you take a year 421 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: off before you go again. But the history of these 422 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: things is once they start, it's what. Wasn't there a 423 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: candy want you? 424 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 7: Was it? 425 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: Pringles? Once you stop, you just can't want the fun? 426 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: What is it once you start, you just can't stop? 427 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: I think that was a Pringles slogan for years. Anyway, 428 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: you could also call it an never last, everlasting gobstopper. 429 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: You know, I just go on and on. But there 430 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: was so of the referendums that were up that these 431 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: people sprinted forward on one of them. Only one of 432 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: them was new taxation and that was in Fort Wayne, 433 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: and it failed, and the Fort Wayne people were very organized. 434 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: The Americans for Prosperity went in and they defeated them. 435 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: So a lot of these referendums coming up next year 436 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: or perceived could be because of Senate Bill one, which 437 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: the schools will use as a crutch, whether they need 438 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: it or not. They will now use this. Why I 439 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: was screaming about Senate Bill one. I said, the quote 440 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: unquote reward in there is not worth the risk given 441 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: the schools will use this as a crutch to get 442 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: these referendums, which they want anyway, most of these will 443 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: likely be new money, new taxes, and so the debate 444 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: is while the ones that all the ones that were 445 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: renewed rules of tax rates, renewals of referendums pass because 446 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: they come out and go, well, we're not raising your taxes, 447 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: We're just keeping the tax rates the same, and stupid 448 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: idiot people are like, oh, yeah, that makes sense to us, 449 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: not factoring in Hey, moron, if you vote against this, 450 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: your taxes will go down by hundreds or thousands of dollars. 451 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: They won't. These school districts won't have that argument for 452 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: many of these referendums. How will that affect how voters vote? 453 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: And it'll be in a general election ballot on a 454 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote high turnout year and even year in twenty 455 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: six What is the future of school referendums realistically, though? 456 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Do you expect any major change? For as long as 457 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: these legislators and school districts are able to use children 458 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: as a human shield, then they can rely on the 459 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: emotional appeal to pass these these tax increases, which is 460 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: what they've done, and they can reliably count on people's 461 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: empathy and affection for their children. Yeah, let me take 462 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: this as the OG referendum killer in Hendricks County. I 463 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: have success, say, great pride in that I have so 464 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: much fun beating these. I beat one in a place 465 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't even live Ethan, that's so much fun I 466 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: have with these. Here's the reality of these school referendums. 467 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: And there's a good chance one maybe coming to a 468 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: community near you soon. And here's the formula, right, And 469 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: this is what I've seen for years watching these. When 470 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: you have an organized funded opposition, now, like in the 471 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: case of the one we beat in Brownsburg, we got 472 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: spent one hundred to three basically, it was basically one 473 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand in support. When you couple the public money 474 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: the schools were able to use versus the three thousand 475 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: we raise, it, I say one hundred thousand to three 476 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: thousand we want because three thousands enough to do what 477 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: we need to do. When I'm talking about well funded, 478 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you got to raise you know, a 479 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: million dollars. I'm saying you got to have well funded 480 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: is enough to do all your signs and all your doors. 481 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: When you have organized well or properly funded opposition. A 482 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: lot of times these things go down. It's also important 483 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: that you have competent messaging to distill the idea in 484 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: a way that people are able to access and understand, 485 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: because if it's too convoluted, then you just lose people 486 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: out route. Right, You're right, and thankfully, like where I live, 487 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: you have a highly skilled, very dedicated messenger who will 488 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: always make the other side. That's the key. It's it's 489 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: just basically an election. You have to make the other 490 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: side play on your terms. Here's a great example of this. 491 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: I'll give you a real world example of how this works. 492 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: So when we beat the one in Brownsburg ten years ago, 493 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: we put on our signs largest tax increase in town history, 494 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: twenty five percent tax increase. And the school people knew 495 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: that some people weren't going to get a twenty five 496 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: percent tax increase, but we took the average, right. We said, Okay, 497 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: we know some people are going to be more, some 498 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: people are probably going to be less. You got to 499 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: take an average and put it on a sign. What 500 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: we did is we dared, and we said go ahead 501 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: and fight that, because every person you fight that with 502 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: is going to do their own research, and they're going 503 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: to find out, Okay, mine might have been twenty five, 504 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: let's say it was twenty three. Well, now I'm going 505 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: to look at what the real number is and see 506 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: the dollars. Then I'm going to see what my taxes 507 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: are going to go up. Certainly some people are going 508 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: to be more than twenty five. And so they made 509 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: a decision not to fight that number because they knew 510 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: every time they got into that number, people would have 511 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: to look it up and see the dollar amount. And 512 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: so they had to accept the twenty five percent number. 513 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: And people saw that and said, oh, that's a crap 514 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: ton of money. I'm not voting for that, and they 515 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: voted against it. That's an example of you, you're right 516 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the messaging right wherever you're at, it's gonna be a 517 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: lot of money you put. You got to put big 518 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: ideas out there and say go ahead, fight me on it. 519 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: You also have to make it in a way that's 520 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: easily understandable, and putting a dollar figure a percentage figure 521 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: is one way to do that. Because the schools try 522 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: the same thing but in reverse, where they say, oh, 523 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: well it's only you're only getting a ten cent tax 524 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: increase for every dollar, but when you multiply that out 525 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: by the value of your home or whatever mechanism they're 526 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: using to fund these things, it adds up to quite 527 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: substantial amounts, which you're talking about. Once people do the 528 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: research for themselves, they can see the whole dollar figure, 529 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: and most people aren't going to be too amenable to 530 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: the idea that we have to give up more of 531 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: our hard earned money when it's already incredibly difficult to 532 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: make ends meet, to pay the bills, to buy the groceries, 533 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: and do the things that are required to live daily 534 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: life here. Yeah, And like I've it's sport for me, 535 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: and I hate this because you know, the reality is 536 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: the system that's set in place is that as long 537 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: as these school systems can whenever they want declare a referendum, 538 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: now they'll have to go even years now in general elections. 539 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: Does that make a difference though, it does because what 540 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: they have done before, and you saw this with a 541 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: months why they sprinted forward in the fall. They can 542 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: get their people in a general election of even years, 543 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: you're at least going to have the regular people show 544 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: up to vote. And those people in Indiana tend to 545 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: be more conservative and it makes them less likely that 546 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: they can just spike the football and get their people 547 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: out to vote. Doing these in primaries or these off 548 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: year elections, the school will always get their people out 549 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: of it. Like one thing that was interesting to me, 550 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: and I was talking to somebody who agreed with me 551 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: on this, like in Avon, you didn't see very many 552 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: vote yes signs and on the service people are like, well, 553 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: maybe maybe they aren't as fired up this time about it. 554 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: And I think the school realized is we're going to 555 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: get our people to go vote, they don't need a sign. Well, 556 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: what we don't want to do is antagonize the other 557 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: side to hey, there's an election. What am I supposed 558 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: to be voting for it? To get out and do this. 559 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: The schools are very like I think Avon was pretty 560 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: malicious in the way they went about it this time, 561 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: Like they obviously sprint this thing forward. They do this 562 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: video where the public doesn't get it, only the parents 563 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: get access to of course we got it and put 564 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: it out there. But I think that's all deliberate stuff 565 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: designed to get a result, and that result is it 566 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: hurts the taxpayer in the end. It makes like a 567 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: fly by night operation well, it makes it harder to 568 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: do in a fall election where the normal people are 569 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: going to show up and they're going to be people 570 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: who are going to be more inclined to vote no. 571 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: But the reality is, as long as the legislation won't 572 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: man up and stop these things, which is what they 573 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: need to do, either we have a tax cap or 574 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 1: we don't, and we don't in this state. You can 575 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: say you're capped at one percent, but if you've got 576 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: to constantly go out and spend your own money to 577 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: defeat something, well, that's not a cap. And that's the 578 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: way it works. The school can utilize. I mean, when 579 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: we beat the one of brownsrig they spent sixty five 580 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars of public money on a consultant to help 581 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: them pass the referendum. So I had to go spend 582 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: my own money while they were also spending my money 583 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: to defeat something I didn't want. That's a totally rigged 584 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: system and it's ridiculous, and the politicians know and they're 585 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: not going to do anything about it. But as long 586 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: as that system's in place, you have to organize. If 587 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: you do not organize that people to put door knockers 588 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: doorhanngers in doors and get signs in yards. These things 589 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: are going to pass because the schools will be able 590 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: to do that. Well, you said door knockers out out there. 591 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: I believe Micah Beckwith eventually dragged his happy ass out. 592 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to knock in Avon. Where do you 593 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: go wrong? Though you had him, that was your problem, 594 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: you know what? 595 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: No? I mean. 596 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Look, having some guy go out on a Saturday two 597 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: weeks before the election gonna change anything. I'm talking about 598 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: months in advance, organized messaging, signs, doors, I'm talking every 599 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: night you're out hitting these things. I'm sorry, that's just 600 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: the way it works. I've seen these things pass, and 601 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: I've seen them fail. I know the formula to make 602 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: them fail. See, I'm so far into this ethan. If 603 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: Brownsburg were to be stupid enough to try one, which 604 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be, but I've been 605 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: wrong before, I already know what the message would be. 606 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: I already know what the sign would look like. I 607 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: already have all of these things in my head, you know, 608 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: a year in advance, or two years in advance, or 609 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: whenever they would decide to do this. But yeah, whatever 610 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: you do, don't let Beckwi go knock on doors for you, 611 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: because that was a disaster for those people in Avon. 612 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: I think people voted yes just despite him. What we 613 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: need is concerted effort and consistent effort. Yeah, you're right, 614 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: all right, Uh oh, I'm long. We'll take a break. 615 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: It's Kenlly case Show ninety three. Wibc well almost Porchy 616 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: stretched a ban. 617 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 5: Let's it John, welcome home body, Bulus good the word 618 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 5: and they polished up quitting the bou. 619 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: On the show. Today It's Kenneled Casey Show and Rob 620 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: cased out Ethan's in. By the way, thank you, phenomenal job. 621 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me in. Rob. I'm always pleased to 622 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: fill in with you in Casey when the opportunity rises. Yeah, 623 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: and of course it is Veterans Day and we wanted 624 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: to kind of close out the program by saying thank 625 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: you to all the people over the years who have 626 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: served this country. And it is pretty amazing, Ethan, when 627 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: you think about we have all these amazing things that 628 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: are going on in our country, no matter the condition 629 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: of the economy or whatever, and have gone on in 630 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: this country, and the backbone of all of it is 631 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: throughout the history of our our nation is a group 632 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: of people who have always said I will stand up 633 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: and protect your ability to do the things that make 634 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: this country great. Without them, none of it exists. The 635 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: veterans are selfless, and their selfless sacrifice should be praised. 636 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: It's just a shame that they often pay the price 637 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: for politicians bad decision making. They pay the price price 638 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: in blood for the bad decisions of politicians. Yeah, do 639 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: you think about like we talk a lot about it 640 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: because Dick Cheney passed away, was it last week? And 641 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: we were talking about just you notice, want to blip 642 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: on the radar that one. Well, you know, in our program, 643 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: we have a rule, and I want this done for 644 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: me when I am no longer here. We say exactly 645 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: what we said about you in depth, what we said 646 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: in life, right. We don't sugarcoat it, we don't lie, 647 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: like just say the stuff. And we said, look, that 648 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: was a defining moment, or one of the defining moments 649 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: of my generation and my group people that I grew 650 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: up with, is is the various foreign wars that didn't 651 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: appear to produce any tangible result in terms of the 652 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: world safer, better or whatever. And I know so many 653 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: people that I grew up with, went to school with, 654 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: who put that uniform on wind and fought, and thankfully 655 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: all of them came back. Some of them didn't come 656 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: back the same as they went over mentally, physically, et cetera. 657 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: But my point in all that is those people were 658 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 1: willing to do that because they were called by their country. 659 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: And you're right, Ethan, in the sense of so often 660 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: we mixed the conflict itself or the engagement or the 661 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: act that these people are called to do with the people, 662 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: and that's not right, because these people are the reason 663 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: that we have many of the liberties and freedoms that 664 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: we do. I feel so sorry, in particular for the 665 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: generation of troops that you mentioned who served in Iraq 666 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: and especially Afghanistan, and the gallons of blood and the 667 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: thousands of lives that were sacrificed dying in the mud 668 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: and the sand overseas over almost what was a twenty 669 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: year conflict, trillions of dollars of spending, lots of bombs, 670 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: and then the Taliban retook Afghanistan almost immediately, and it 671 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of leaves you asking what was the sacrifice really for? 672 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: But you think about the history of this country, right, 673 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: and it sort of dates back all the way back 674 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: to the foundation of the country. But certainly America has 675 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: free more people than the rest of the world throughout 676 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: human history combined. Right, it's incredible statistic the amount of 677 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: people across the globe in the two hundred and d 678 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: thirty plus year history of this nation. That America has 679 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: always stood for life and liberty and the pursuit of 680 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: happiness and so many So much of that is due 681 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: to the people who have worn the uniform and made 682 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: and made America. Look, you can be critical of your government, 683 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: right you meet. We're very critical of our government. We 684 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: love our country and a lot of the people who 685 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: defend our country because you and I are critical of 686 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: our government because we don't feel like they live up 687 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: to the ideals set forth of what America should be 688 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: in the way things should be done. But that doesn't 689 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: any anyway. Conflict was saying thank you to the people 690 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: who have fought for those ideals and given people like 691 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: us opportunities to do this every day. No, and there 692 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: have been plenty of examples of just American intervention, and 693 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: it goes right back to the founding of our country 694 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: when we intervened in piracy off of the Barbary Coast, 695 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: which not only helped maintain our lines of commerce overseas, 696 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: but global commerce as well. I mean that's where we 697 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: get the lines, you know, from the halls of Montozuma 698 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: to the shores of TRIPLEI fighting the Barbary pirates. Yeah, 699 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: so we want to thank close out a program today 700 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: by saying thank you. I know, Memorial Day is dedicated 701 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: people who have lost their lives in the in the 702 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: in the line of duty, in the on the field 703 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: of battle, and Veterans Day obviously is reserved for all 704 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: veterans who serve this country. And so for for Ethan 705 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: and you know, I feel good I can say this 706 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: on your behalf. We want to thank you for all 707 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: that you have given, whether you're even those that are 708 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: currently engaged in conflict or wearing the uniform or standing 709 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: up for us, everybody who has represented their country at home, abroad, 710 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: wherever it is, thank you for all that you do 711 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: because Ethan and I have the liberties and the freedom 712 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: to have this radio show, to have these programs to 713 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: say the things we do because people like you will 714 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: fight to defend it. So thank you Ethan. Before we 715 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: go any parting words, if you really want to dive 716 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: into the sacrifices that veterans have made, not only in 717 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: America but also overseas, I would highly recommend that you 718 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: dive into the BBC archives an interview in particular with 719 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: a soldier who I think has a fascinating perspective. He 720 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: served on opposite sides of the war. He fought for 721 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: the Germans in World War One and he fought for 722 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: the British in World War Two. That Steven Westman, and 723 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: you can find the archived footage on YouTube. It's a 724 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: fascinating interview. Check it out and thank a veteran today. 725 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. Thank 726 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: you Ethan, great job, Kevin, and most importantly, thank you 727 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: to you. Without you, there is no US stick around. 728 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. Coming up next, Ketley Casey Show ninety three, 729 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: WIBC