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Speaker 1: Tony Cats today. I don't think it's in any way

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Speaker 1: surprising to see the tariffs on India. As a matter

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Speaker 2: It's so not surprising that it almost requires a yawn.

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Speaker 2: Putting pressure on India for a trade deal is about

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Speaker 2: to get done so you can get the big one done.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, what's going on? Eight three

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Speaker 2: part of the show. Find everything I do over at

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Speaker 2: Tony kats dot com, Live streaming YouTube, Tony Kats, Facebook,

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Speaker 2: That's with a t naz twenty five percent tariffs. Now

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Speaker 2: it's funny. I thought this was reported as fifty percent tariffs.

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Speaker 2: It's actually seeing Oh, it's adding twenty five percent to

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Speaker 2: India does something that the United States cannot stand. India

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Speaker 2: buys Russian oil. They cannot stop themselves. Why, Because they

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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. No, I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: There is no doubt that the continuation of oil being

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Speaker 2: But the tariffs are about getting them to come to

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Speaker 3: That's what all this is about.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, with Russia, there is a drone attack near the border.

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Speaker 2: Russian force is launching a drone attack on civilian infrastructure

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Speaker 2: Zero. And if you don't know where this area is,

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Speaker 2: Here they are. Now they're gonna go under the water again.

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Speaker 3: That was a move. I'm not a post to that move.

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Speaker 2: You have Medvedev basically saying your conversations are an active war,

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Speaker 2: It's a way of stopping the thing before it starts,

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Speaker 2: is breaking news. According to Fox News and Newsmax, there's

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Speaker 2: of this, the subpoenas for Bill and Hillary Clinton, those

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Speaker 3: Keep it here.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Kats and this is Tony Kats Today. Here's

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Speaker 2: the latest, This from the Atlanta Journal. Constitution and information

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Speaker 2: with you. Casualties have been reported. This is a shooting

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Speaker 3: Very rarely is.

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Speaker 2: The first reporting of the right reporting. We do know

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Speaker 3: Clapper, these people are guilty.

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Speaker 2: They did it. They engaged a lie, they engaged to

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Speaker 3: The New York Times is not to be trusted.

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Speaker 2: So we've got some updates on this active shooter. The Governor,

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Speaker 2: to the India five hundred, you have no concept to

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Speaker 2: what you're possibly missing. No sporting event in the world

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Speaker 2: comes close. I don't care what other places do. They

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Speaker 2: don't have three hundred thousand plus of their closest friends

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Speaker 2: and neighbors hanging out. They just don't have it. They

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Speaker 2: don't have the sounds, they don't have the pageantry of

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Speaker 2: the Indianapolis five hundred and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They

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Speaker 2: don't have it. This place is remarkable. It is remarkable

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Speaker 2: how the five hundred works, how the month of May works.

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Speaker 2: The whole month of May is all focused on this,

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Speaker 2: and the entire state is there, and the Indianapolis Motor

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Speaker 2: Speedway is referred to as the speedway. And when the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration made this announcement, because you know, made this announcement,

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Speaker 2: and there's the facility and then they've got an Indy

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Speaker 2: car in front of it. The Indy car is the

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Speaker 2: number five car, the number five car. Producer Landing belongs

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Speaker 2: to who Pot of Award, Pot of Award that is

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Speaker 2: correctly where it's pot of Award from Mexico. He's from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: That was a pretty bad usage of an IndyCar. You

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Speaker 2: picked the guy from Mexico to be next to a

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Speaker 2: facility utilized by Ice. Oh, oh so much so that

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Speaker 2: IndyCar owned by Penske. Roger Penske, friend of President Trump,

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Speaker 2: has said, hey, we don't get into the politics. Please

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Speaker 2: don't use our intellectual property in this way. Let me

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Speaker 2: go step further. The idea of a facility here in

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Speaker 2: Indiana is just fine. Can't use the name speedway. The

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Speaker 2: speedway connects to a place that brings hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of people together, millions of fans who are watching this race,

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Speaker 2: never mind listening on radio and millions online. Don't make

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Speaker 2: it in any way political, and don't make it about you.

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Speaker 2: We've come up with the Cornfield, clink, the Hoosier, who'scal Oh,

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of names for it, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I've even decided you can go full meta and call

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Speaker 2: it not Breakaway, which if you know, hoo's your movies,

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Speaker 2: It's that's good. That's a good line. People are bothered

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Speaker 2: by the name of speedway, Slammer. It's a mistake, the concept,

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Speaker 2: not a mistake, the name. Yeah, somebody didn't think this through.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. The update out of Georgia

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Speaker 2: Fort Stewart, Georgia is that five people have been shot.

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Speaker 2: The lockdown has been lifted. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 2: good to be with you. All soldiers treated on site

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Speaker 2: and moved to the win Army Community Hospital for further treatment.

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Speaker 2: As is being reported from the local affiliate WTOC, there

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Speaker 2: is no active threat to the community. This got reported

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Speaker 2: at eleven am just before eleven AM about a shooting.

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Speaker 2: The shooter, according to the reporting, now apprehended at eleven

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Speaker 2: thirty five. We do not have a motive. We do

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Speaker 2: not know about life and death. We don't know any

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Speaker 2: of these things, and information is still fluid. It is

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Speaker 2: going to change. But when there is an active shooter

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Speaker 2: on an army base, we are paying very very close attention.

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Speaker 2: FBI coordinating with the Army on any assistance that might

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Speaker 2: be needed. President Trump has been briefed. Governor Brian Kemp

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Speaker 2: of Georgia was briefed asking for prayers for those involved.

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Speaker 2: This is all we have right now that five were

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Speaker 2: shot on Fort Stewart, which is the largest Army base

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Speaker 2: east of the Mississippi, has over eight thousand soldiers. The

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Speaker 2: army base was placed under lockdown at approximately eleven am.

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Speaker 2: It is now no longer on lockdown. According to the reporting,

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Speaker 2: you had the shooter in custody at eleven thirty five.

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Speaker 2: No idea who the shooter is. We do not know

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Speaker 2: if this is somebody who is part of the base,

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Speaker 2: somebody who got onto the base, if there was a breach,

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Speaker 2: where there was a breach. Don't have the answers yet

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Speaker 2: for those questions. It's going to come. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get to it. Right now, we just don't have it.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted.

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Speaker 2: To give you the update, to give you the story

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Speaker 2: that's going on there, and we're going.

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Speaker 3: To We're going to follow it. And we're also.

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Speaker 2: Hearing from Fox News that there are no at this

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Speaker 2: moment confirmed fatalities.

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Speaker 3: Now again, that's what we all want. That is what

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Speaker 3: we all want.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a conversation that comes from this

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Speaker 2: because we've had this before. So I don't believe I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking out of school here regarding exactly how prepared are

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Speaker 2: those on a military base to deal with these issues,

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Speaker 2: because very often there are those on military.

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Speaker 3: Bases who don't have access to their weaponry.

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Speaker 2: You know that. On October seventh, when we talk about

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Speaker 2: the Israelis attacked by Hamas, this despicable discussing terroris story

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Speaker 2: zation that should be destroyed. They didn't have weapons. Weapons

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Speaker 2: were kept in an armory. Amas knew this, and when

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Speaker 2: the Israelis ran to the armory after hearing about the

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Speaker 2: attacks and the infiltration, Amas and others were waiting there

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Speaker 2: to kill them.

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Speaker 3: There might be some things that need to change. Keep

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Speaker 3: it here. This is Tony Kats.

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Speaker 1: Today, Live from Vall, Heartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 5: It's Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I was discussing banking and how President Trump was

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Speaker 2: discussing dealing with banks who pushed conservatives out. Well. As

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Speaker 2: the story has has grown, we get this from Charles

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Speaker 2: Gasparino writing over at the New York Post Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: That's me, by the way, Tony Kats Today. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you find everything at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: dot com. I once had Gasparino on the show once

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Speaker 2: and I was like that was enough for me. I

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Speaker 2: just thought as a guest, egotistical and condescending, as somebody

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Speaker 2: who can talk about economic things, He's certainly showed himself

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Speaker 2: to have at least opinions. This story is that people

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Speaker 2: have let The New York Post know that both JP

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Speaker 2: Morgan Chase or JP Morgan, I should say in Bag

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Speaker 2: of America, he begged President Trump for his role in

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Speaker 2: the January sixth Capitol Hill melee. That's how they describe it.

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Speaker 2: What was his role go peacefully and protest?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 2: There was no role played by President Trump in that

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Speaker 2: regard because he did not go in. Now, I have

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Speaker 2: argued that there are things I would have liked to

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Speaker 2: have seen President Trump do faster, with more speed. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if he was mad at then Vice President

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Speaker 2: Pencer not.

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Speaker 3: If the vice.

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Speaker 2: President needs to be protected, send in whoever you have

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Speaker 2: to send in to protect him. Don't get it twisted.

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Speaker 2: This is the fault of Nancy Pelosi. Based on her

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Speaker 2: own words, she did not have the security apparatus in

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Speaker 2: place one thousand percent. I put it on the speaker

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Speaker 2: in terms of security, I put it on the Capitol

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Speaker 2: police who invited people into the Capitol. I put it

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Speaker 2: on those who engaged in actual violence. Never once have

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Speaker 2: I staid that Donald Trump engaged in a riot or

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Speaker 2: engaged in incitement That never happened. Never, But these banks said, nope,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go. The story here is that they got pressure.

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Speaker 2: Who pressured them people the banks tell the New York

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Speaker 2: Post that Biden's banking cops at the Office of the

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Speaker 2: Controller of the Currency, the FDIC, and the Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 2: they are the ones who engaged in the pressure, and

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Speaker 2: they pressured all sorts of people to do all sorts

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Speaker 2: of things. We talk about the authoritarian ways of the

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Speaker 2: political left. You notice they're always calling Trump an authoritarian.

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Speaker 2: Everything about Trump is authoritarian. Everything about Trump and he's

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Speaker 2: trying to be a dictator.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to do this. He's trying to do that.

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Speaker 2: The concept if I have it right, and the the

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Speaker 2: psychologists will tell me if I've got it wrong. This

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Speaker 2: is the concept of projection. We know what we're doing,

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Speaker 2: but we'll say this is what somebody else is doing.

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Speaker 2: We will say this is what others are doing. Right.

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Speaker 3: They want to.

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Speaker 2: Call Trump a dictator, so they say things like this.

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Speaker 3: But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 6: Don't leave them out on the ledge by themselves.

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Speaker 3: They need to know that you, the American people.

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Speaker 6: Stand with them because they are standing for you. There's

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Speaker 6: so many people that they will never meet, but they

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Speaker 6: understand the importance of making sure that they have a

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Speaker 6: voice when it comes to their government. They understand the

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Speaker 6: importance of standing for what democracy is and making sure

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Speaker 6: that it does not fall by the wayside. They understand

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Speaker 6: that we have a Timol Hitler in the White House

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Speaker 6: right now, the.

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Speaker 3: Things that he is going to.

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Speaker 6: Become the dictator of the United States.

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Speaker 2: That's Jasmine Crockett referring to the President as Timu Hitler.

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Speaker 2: Right that site where you can buy cheap Chinese goods,

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Speaker 2: which is I'm assuming where they found Jasmine Crockett.

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Speaker 7: What.

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Speaker 2: You can't make a joke about Jasmine Crockett being cheap.

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Speaker 2: She can make a joke about Trump being Hitler, But

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Speaker 2: I what do you know about that? The authoritarians are

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Speaker 2: the ones who said, hey, you can't have this guy

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Speaker 2: as a client anymore. No, no, no, We'll make your life

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Speaker 2: very difficult if you have them as a client. No no, no,

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Speaker 2: we will hurt you if you have this guy as

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Speaker 2: a client. And that's exactly what took place. A bit

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Speaker 2: of a if I need to translate it for you,

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Speaker 2: I will. Hey, it's a nice business you have. There

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Speaker 2: be a shame if something happened to it. That's the

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Speaker 2: same thing. They are the ones who scream authoritarian, and

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Speaker 2: they are the ones who act in the authoritarian way.

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Speaker 2: It's a worthwhile story because it's a great understanding of

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Speaker 2: exactly how these progressives work, which is going to lead

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Speaker 2: into a conversation I haven't already heard it in my

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Speaker 2: conversation with Ed Morrissey of hot air dot com regarding

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Speaker 2: the redistricting. He lives in Texas, giving a little insight

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Speaker 2: there about how weak the argument is. Horrifically weak is

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Speaker 2: the argument that the left is making regarding the redistricting.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing about this that is against the law. It

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Speaker 2: is absolutely an it's a political maneuver. It's absolutely acceptable,

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Speaker 2: one thousand percent acceptable.

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Speaker 3: What do they say?

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Speaker 2: This is cheating and this is stealing, and this is rigging.

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Speaker 2: And then you have a whole series of governors who

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Speaker 2: are going out there and saying, well, if if Republicans

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Speaker 2: do this, we're going to do this. This was Governor

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Speaker 2: Healy of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 8: But Abbott, Paxton, Trump, they leave states with no choice.

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Speaker 8: I want to make sure that people have access to healthcare.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to see further cuts to medicate or

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Speaker 8: to housing, or to veterans, or to poor little kids who.

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Speaker 2: Need to eat okay.

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Speaker 8: So that is why it becomes an issue for a

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Speaker 8: governor in New York, and a governor in Illinois, and

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Speaker 8: a governor in Massachusetts, governors all around the country.

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Speaker 2: Actually every day you do that. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: You're planning to perhaps move forward on our industry playing.

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Speaker 3: We just did that. We're going to follow the rules.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if the Secretary of State wishes to comment,

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Speaker 8: but we just went through and customary, an ordinary orderly

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Speaker 8: processed just a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's Massachusetts. They have no Republicans in the House none.

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Speaker 2: So if she's going to play the game that Governor

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is going to play another governor's. Oh, if

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Speaker 2: Texas does this, we're on a jerrymander our states, Who

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Speaker 2: are you? Who are possibly are you threatening?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: But since doing the threat is what they were all

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Speaker 2: ordered to do, and they all speak in the same voice,

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Speaker 2: on the same subjects, about the same things, in the

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Speaker 2: same way. And if you go out of that orthodoxy,

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Speaker 2: you are bilified. Just as Senator John Fetterman of VI

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Speaker 2: A Vie Israel that she's got to make herself look

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Speaker 2: like the fool and note how wrong it is. Jerry

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Speaker 2: mandering is so wrong that if you don't stop doing it,

648
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: we'll do it too. But the reality is they're already

649
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: doing it. There's nothing new here. They already do it

650
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: in state after state after state after state.

651
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: It's already happening.

652
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: And you could argue, well, Tony's red states, Republican states

653
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: do this too. Yeah, I'm fully aware, and we want

654
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: to change things altogether. I'm fine with it. But the

655
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: argument that somehow this is illegal and this is rigging

656
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: the system, that's not true. This is political and you

657
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: may not like the politics, but it happens, you'd be

658
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: the ones to change that. That is absolutely fine.

659
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: You're not going to get an argument.

660
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's so political or maybe it's

661
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: going to become necessary when Trump starts talking about federalizing DC.

662
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: So you had this Doge employee. Did we ever find

663
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: out his real name? Oh? Edward Korstein? A teenager. He

664
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: was known as big Am. I allowed to say that

665
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: on air, right, big.

666
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: Oh? What is the word? I'm looking for? Balls? Okay?

667
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: I said enough? That was his handle. I guess his

668
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: avatars whatever the case may be.

669
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: He got attacked in DC, violently attacked the picture of him.

670
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was him. He I guess he

671
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: was trying to help some woman. He got attacked, bloodied,

672
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: bloodied from his nose all the way down his pants,

673
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: blood everywhere. And Trump right, the most recent victim was

674
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: beaten mercilessly by local thugs. Perhaps it should have been

675
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: done a long time ago. Then this incredible young man

676
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: and so many others will not have to go through

677
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: the horrors of isolent crime. If this continues, I'm going

678
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: to exert my powers and federalize this city, make America

679
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: great again. This actually goes in a line of thinking

680
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: about states that have progressive run cities. Can we understand this?

681
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: Big cities are our democrats strongholds, even in red states,

682
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: and they're run by progressives who can't actually run a city.

683
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: You pick the city, The reality is the same New York, Chicago,

684
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Los Angeles. Can we discuss Memphis or my

685
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: beloved Indianapolis, which is chock full of ineptness and if

686
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the power of this state, things wouldn't

687
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: happen there. This is happening everywhere. And you have these

688
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: conversations where states say, should we be getting involved in

689
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: what happens in our capital city. Should we be getting

690
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: involved in what happens in our most major cities because

691
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: what happens there does affect the rest of the state.

692
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 3: There is an effect.

693
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: There's an effect on tourism, there's an effect on convention business,

694
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: a whole assortment of things.

695
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: And then people get outraged.

696
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: You can't be violating the sovereignty of this city. The

697
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: ideology is destructive. Do you think DC works? DC doesn't work.

698
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: This doesn't work. This is growing.

699
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is that New York is reporting that shootings

701
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: are down in a major major way they're reporting is

702
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: that New York cities have plunged to record loaths this year.

703
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: That's an incredible thing to see.

704
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: By the way, they've had four hundred.

705
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: And twelve shooting incidents just in twenty twenty five, and

706
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: that's the lowest, the lowest it's been in years. So

707
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: are we seeing a change in how these things are done?

708
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: Less shootings, more violent attacks. I don't know, but we

709
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: certainly can't say that DC is going swimmingly far from it.

710
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't think Trump's going to do it, but that

711
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: threat it should bring about this conversation that states have

712
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: already been having. When cities fail, what is the role

713
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: of the state. When prosecutors, as we see in many

714
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: of these states, refuse to prosecute the crimes, what is

715
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: the role of the state. Do they have a role

716
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: to play in ensuring that every citizen of the state

717
00:48:52,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: is covered, protected, looked after based on the law is

718
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: not a state, but the same thought process applies.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Trump's going to do it.

720
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: I think he should just to see what could happen.

721
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 2: That is the testing ground for can it get better?

722
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: Keep it here? This is Tony Katz today. It's the

723
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: third game this year where the WNBA has had somebody

724
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: throwing a sex toy onto the court. This one actually

725
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: hit Sophie Cunningham. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, guys, good

726
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: to be with you live streaming. You find us on

727
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: the YouTube at Tony Katz, on the Twitter x at

728
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: Tony Katz as well.

729
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Speaker 3: You should go and be a part of that and

730
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Speaker 3: check all that out.

731
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Speaker 2: Wherever you sit on the WNBA is totally up to you.

732
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you have to like the league,

733
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: not gonna tell you have to like the game.

734
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Speaker 3: You don't have to like the players.

735
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: Here's what I will tell you. Caitlyn Clark is the

736
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: face of the league and the only reason the league

737
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: is doing in anything has any attention to it right

738
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: now at all. Caitlyn Clark was the only reason money

739
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: comes to the league and others are starting to understand

740
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: how to.

741
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Speaker 3: Benefit from the.

742
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: Angel Reese is a terrible basketball player. I don't care

743
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: what you call me. She's a bad player. She cannot

744
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: hit the shot, and nobody is watching for her except

745
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: to say, oh my gosh, have you seen how.

746
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: Bad she is? That's it.

747
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: The Chicago's Skuy can say anything they want. That's the

748
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: name of the team. She's not good. The WNBA now

749
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: flies private. The WNBA now has these opportunities solely and

750
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: exclusively because of Caitlin Clark. Some recognize this. The vast

751
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: majority of the league, resenting this and hating her, went

752
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: about attacking her in every single way they could. It

753
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: was gross, It was disgusting. She has to be able

754
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: to deal with playing on the court, but some of

755
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: these things are nuts.

756
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 3: She's now been out for what eight games? Nine games

757
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: with this injury.

758
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: This injury is brought about by a league that has

759
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: no interest in saying that we are gonna call fouls

760
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: and throw people out, no interest in its future. That

761
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: seems to be true, as you have seen now this

762
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: is the third game where someone has thrown a sex

763
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: toy onto the court. I do not know why the

764
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: why the WNBA is putting up with this. I don't

765
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: know why the fans are putting up with this. I

766
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: don't know why the players are putting up with this.

767
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: I don't quite get what I'm seeing here. First, if

768
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: you're doing that, you're a scumbag. The people throwing things

769
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: onto the court are scumbags. If you throw snowballs with

770
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: batteries in them at the field, healthy Eagles or whoever

771
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: they're playing, you know, when we go back to the

772
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: old stadium there, Old Veterans Stadium, scumbab. If you throw

773
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: things at a player while they're engaged hockey, soccer, baseball,

774
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: scumbat you're just the lowest to the low. You're not funny,

775
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: you're not interesting, you're a jerk. You should go to jail.

776
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: It's assault. I would say it's assault with the deadly weapon.

777
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: But man, man, that's going to lead to its own jokes.

778
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: That's rough you should go to jail. And if you

779
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: throw things on the court, just like if you block traffic,

780
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: you should expect to get hurt. Tony, are you advocating

781
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: for violence? I am stating that people who engage in

782
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: violence shouldn't be surprised when violence comes their way. Blocking

783
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: traffic is a violent act. Throwing things that peoples a

784
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: violent act. You shouldn't be surprised if you end up

785
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: with a two with one or two black eyes, you

786
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: should be shocked. I can't believe this isn't happening already.

787
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: The WNBA should be pressing charges against these people because

788
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: you can find out. You've got cameras in the crowd.

789
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: What only Coldplay has cameras facing the crowd. You can

790
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: find out. You should be pressing charges publicly, proactively. You

791
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: should be going after people in their homeowners policies. You

792
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: should be going after everyone they're associated with. Make it stop, guys.

793
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: You can mock the WNBA all you like. You're not

794
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: gonna get me bothered. You can like the WNBA.

795
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: It's fine. I me knock yourself out. This is about

796
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: what it is we're going to accept. Explain to me

797
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: the society that says men should not be able to

798
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 2: compete in women's sports because we should respect women, and

799
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: then throw sex toys on the court where women are playing.

800
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: Do the math make it make sense. It doesn't make sense.

801
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: It's insane, and people want to make fun of it.

802
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: Dear Lord, this is in the fifth grade. Time to

803
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: act like men. You can mock the league, and you

804
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: can mock the play. I mock Angel Reese. I'll do

805
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: it to her faiths. I'll do it in front of

806
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: her mother. She's bad. I'm saying this, I suck. She

807
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 2: might actually be better than me. The problem is I'm

808
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: saying might because I'm not really sure she's a bad player.

809
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: See that's easy, that's allowable. You want to throw things

810
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: at people. If we're okay with this, we're nuts. We're nuts,

811
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: We're out of our minds. We're going to say it's

812
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: all right to assault women as long as it's a

813
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: girl's or women's basketball game. Hole league, cow charge these people.

814
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: And if you're a fan who sees this, you know

815
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: what to do.

816
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm turning cats.

817
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: I have come to the belief that I was probably

818
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: already at anyway that what I see ramjamas, what I

819
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: see out of Gaza.

820
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Speaker 3: What I see reported.

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Speaker 2: By the New York Times and pick your news outlet

822
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: around the globe, I consider that to be not the truth.

823
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: The propaganda is obvious to see. Lots of people in

824
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: the US and other places are falling for the propaganda war.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be with you.

826
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Speaker 2: Exactly how big is this propaganda war and how much

827
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Speaker 2: is it having influence on what it is that we see.

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Speaker 2: Josh Hasten joined us right now from JNS News Service

829
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Speaker 2: JNS dot org. He is also the host of JNSTV

830
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Just search for JNSTV and subscribe to the channel.

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Speaker 2: You spend your time, you live in Israel, you spend

832
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: some time in the United States. The latest flurry of

833
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: there's mass starvation in Gaza has gotten a lot of

834
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: people worked up, given a renewed life to saying Israel

835
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: is the aggressor, Israel is committing a genocide, Israel should

836
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: be ashamed of itself. I do not believe those things

837
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: to be accurate. Where did this new push of a

838
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: storyline in your view come from?

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on, Tony. So this latest push

840
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 7: by Hamas the propaganda campaign is actually called the hunger

841
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 7: campaign run by Hamas. This is what happens when you

842
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 7: give Hamas legitimacy. And I'm talking about specifically countries like France,

843
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 7: the UK and Canada who have said that they are

844
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 7: going to recognize a so called Palestinian state coming up

845
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Speaker 7: in September of the United Nations General Assembly. This us

846
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 7: wind in their sales, so to speak, to go out

847
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 7: and continue campaigns like this. People fall for campaigns like this,

848
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 7: they believe these images to be true. On the other hand,

849
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 7: Israeli hostages are the ones starving, and we saw those

850
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 7: horrible picture over the weekend of two Israeli hostages being

851
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 7: held and dungeons of Hamas for over six hundred plus days.

852
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 7: One hostage they're forced to dig his own grave. Obviously

853
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 7: Hamas is feeding him lines. That's the true starvation. You

854
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 7: can see in one of those photos you can see

855
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 7: one of the Hamas members with his meaty arm leading

856
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 7: into the shot. That was obviously a mistake. But all

857
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 7: these countries who are giving Kamas legitimacy, this tells them

858
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 7: we can continue to hold hostages, we can continue to

859
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 7: create these propaganda campaigns and people will buy it. This

860
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 7: is exactly what propels them to keep going. But it's

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 7: very unfortunate that they are either fooling the West on

862
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Speaker 7: one hand, or you simply have leaders and people in

863
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Speaker 7: some of these countries who hate Israel, who hate the Jews,

864
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Speaker 7: who know this is propaganda, but are willing to share

865
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 7: it anyway because they simply do not want to see

866
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Speaker 7: the state of Israel to continue to exist.

867
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Speaker 2: But let us under the other let's take a step back,

868
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: because the propaganda campaign came before France, Portugal, Canada and

869
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom made this outrageous statement of recognizing a

870
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: Palestinian state, which is really to say, hey, have you

871
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: commit acts of terrorism, you will be rewarded these kinds

872
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: of things from Hamas, for example, the Gaza Health Ministry,

873
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: which is Hamas. It can never be trusted for a

874
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Speaker 2: number They've been doing this since the beginning. They've been

875
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: doing this since before October seventh, twenty twenty three. Why

876
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: did it take on some level of new life over

877
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: the last two months.

878
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's definitely been going on since the beginning.

879
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 7: Hamas knew all along exactly what was going to happen.

880
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 7: That if the war would go on for so long,

881
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 7: they could get away with sharing these images and people

882
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 7: would believe them as fact. This is plays right into

883
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 7: their right into hamas playbook. What's going on right now.

884
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 7: What happened is they've revved up this campaign. Okay, Hamas

885
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 7: does not want to negotiate and get space. Their last

886
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 7: bargaining ship are the human beings, the people that they've

887
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 7: been holding for over six hundred days, and they know that.

888
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 7: That's why right now, even we see Wikov's going back

889
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 7: and forth with the Shuttle diplomacy, that's why there has

890
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 7: not been a deal reached. Hamas does not want to

891
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 7: make a deal because they're holding on to these hostages.

892
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 7: So instead they see that the world is ambivalent, can

893
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 7: run these propaganda campaigns when in reality the images you're

894
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 7: seeing are very similar to the Jews in the desk

895
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 7: camps from the Nazis. Yet that's the case, But however

896
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 7: a lot of people, if you go on social media

897
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 7: and some of these Western leaders, somehow the Jews have

898
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 7: been likened to the Nazis, which is completely absurd and

899
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 7: a scene. But Hamas has certainly revved up this campaign.

900
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 7: When they get legitimacy, when people share their pictures that

901
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 7: they create on the front page of the New York

902
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 7: Times and say they're starvation. This Hamas themselves said it.

903
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 7: Hamas said in terms of those European countries, they said,

904
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 7: flat out one of their representatives, what the UK, what

905
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 7: France and Canada did? This shows us that what we

906
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 7: did on October seventh was the right approach. Murdering twelve

907
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 7: hundred Israelis coming into Israeli homes and literally burning babies alive.

908
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 7: This gave them new life and they admitted it. They

909
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 7: told Al Jazeira that this in bold of them. So yes,

910
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 7: of course, this is going on since the very beginning,

911
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 7: not only October seventh. Remember, Hamas has been blowing up

912
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 7: buses in Israel back in the early two thousands during

913
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 7: what was called the Second Into fat of the Oslo War.

914
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 7: So it's nothing new but certainly revved up. Even though

915
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 7: Israel from a military perspective, has made tremendous strides in Gaza,

916
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 7: and hopefully we'll be able to take out what is

917
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 7: remaining of Hamas militarily, so we can end this war,

918
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 7: but it has to be with a total victory.

919
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Speaker 2: Talking to Josh Hasten, correspondent for JNS Jewish News syndicate

920
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: JNS dot org, and you also find his work on

921
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: YouTube jnstv. Search for it there and subscribe. This release

922
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: of these videos of Israeli hostages being starved, one digging

923
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: his own grave, this seems too for the Israelis have

924
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: now made them come to a level of galvanized in

925
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: We've tried this phase thing, We've tried getting these people back.

926
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Speaker 3: It's enough and them already.

927
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: That's the way I took the rallies over the weekend

928
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: that what the Israelis were saying is enough talk. And

929
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: this am I understanding where the Israeli people are or

930
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: do they want to simply stop fighting altogether to get

931
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: these people back.

932
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Speaker 7: So Prime Minister Natanyahoo on Monday convened the Cabinet in

933
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 7: order to begin talks on the next phase of the war.

934
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 7: So the Security Cabinet is supposed to meet on Thursday.

935
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 7: And what we're here right now is that at this point,

936
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 7: because of the situation on the ground, because we have

937
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 7: not been able to get the hostages home, the way

938
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 7: we've been proceeding the talk right now is perhaps that

939
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 7: the IDF will go in and take over all of

940
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 7: Gaza again. Let's remember those three goals, defeeding the enemy,

941
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 7: the chant Amas, having the hostages released, and ensuring that

942
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 7: Gaza will never again threaten Israel. That's in primate in

943
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 7: terms of Ias goal from the beginning. So it looks

944
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 7: like we're headed to a new phase of this war,

945
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Speaker 7: and especially as a result number one of those videos,

946
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 7: which of course is psychological terrorism what they're using against us.

947
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 7: And number two the fact that that's Envoy Witkoff came

948
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 7: back and said, essentially, Amas does not want to deal,

949
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 7: so Israel does not save at this point based on

950
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 7: what we know that they can secure that we can

951
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 7: secure the release of our hostages through negotiations Amasa, as

952
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 7: I said before once to hold them as bargaining chips.

953
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 7: So Israel and the next I would say, twenty four

954
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 7: to forty eight hours might make crucial decisions in terms

955
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 7: of ramping up whatever's going on down in Gaza. And

956
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 7: we're talking about trying to maintain full control over Gaza,

957
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 7: full Israeli military control, undoing partially at least the terrible

958
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 7: mistake which is made in two thousand and five, which

959
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 7: is leaving Gaza and turning over Gaza at that point

960
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 7: to the Palestinian authority AMAS Center is over and ever

961
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 7: since then in two thousand and seven, they've been plotting

962
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 7: the October seven massacre. The terrorists to patient. People have

963
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 7: to realize they are patient. They get it that long

964
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 7: in order to carry this out. And Israel has had enough.

965
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 7: This has been a very, very long war. We've lost

966
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 7: over eight hundred soldiers and of course the October seventh massacre,

967
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 7: So we could be heading for a ramp up military

968
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 7: campaign because that looks like it's the only way further,

969
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 7: which by the way, is supported you should know by

970
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 7: the majority of Israelis. Obviously you have the hostage family

971
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 7: who have the interests of their families in mind, and

972
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 7: of course we understand that you know they they are

973
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 7: entitled to wanting to release their loved ones. Overall, I

974
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 7: think it is crystal clear that the only way that

975
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 7: this war is going to end is with a complete

976
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 7: until Israeli victory.

977
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: Now let's get into two things. First, we talked about

978
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, when the Palestinians were basically given

979
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: a state, given Gaza. It needs to be understood that

980
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers removed Israelis from their own homes. The decision

981
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: was made, Families crying, screaming and yelling, soldiers crying while

982
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: they took people away from the houses that they lived in.

983
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: This was under Ariel Sharon, then Prime Minister, while he

984
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: was I believe, still whit Likud before going to what's

985
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: known as the Kadema party. And this is seen as

986
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: the moment that here was Israel again trying to achieve

987
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: a peace, and here was the true intentions of the

988
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: Hamas terras supported by the Iranian regime in full display.

989
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: It was never about a homeland, It was never about

990
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: survival or creating a better world. It was solely and

991
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: exclusively about how can you go about destroying Jews? How

992
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: can you go about destroying Israel? Now you have France, Portugal,

993
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and Canada all saying they're going to

994
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: recognize a Palestinian state, as if two thousand and five

995
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: wasn't the proof of what happens there. What is the

996
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: take from Israelis on these nations? Are there still will

997
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: will there still be if recognized at the un normalized relations?

998
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: Will those relations end? Will imbat will embassies close? Will

999
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: there be divestments from investments? What is it that we

1000
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: can expect from and Yahoo's government and from israelis well.

1001
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 7: For now, you've already had ambassadors summoned, you know, in

1002
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 7: order to present their credentials if you will, and discuss,

1003
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 7: you know, why their countries France for example, are going

1004
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 7: about this. I mean, let's be clear, this is a

1005
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 7: victory for Hamas for the October seventh massacre. It's a

1006
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 7: complete victory for them. It's giving them light to keep ongoing.

1007
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 7: But this is really just a PR stunt because you're

1008
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 7: talking about a so called telstin you state it. As

1009
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 7: you mentioned, essentially there was a Tauistinian state in Gaza

1010
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 7: from two thousand and five until now, and you clearly

1011
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 7: mentioned they do not want a state. That's not the goal.

1012
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 7: Their goal is a state without the state of Israel.

1013
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 7: They're not interested in the state of Israel together. But

1014
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 7: it is really a PR stunt. Where would a so

1015
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 7: called Talistinian state be. You're telling me other countries from

1016
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 7: around the world can dictate Israeli policy, what Israel is

1017
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 7: going to do. The main point here is that every time,

1018
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 7: going back to nineteen ninety three, every kind of Israel

1019
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 7: figned a deal for peace and turned over land to

1020
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 7: the Palistine authority, fell into the hands that come out

1021
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 7: front of the terrorists, and they've been using those areas

1022
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 7: for a launching path against the State of Israel weather Gaza,

1023
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 7: where there was an ancrease in rocket attack by the way,

1024
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 7: five hundred percent increase immediately after two thousand and five,

1025
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 7: or in Judea and Samaria in those areas. When Israel

1026
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 7: turned over those areas to the Palestinian authority, you had

1027
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 7: what was called the Second Dacada in the beginning of

1028
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 7: two thousand, where again Israel came to Washington and tried

1029
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 7: to make peace via Bill Clinton back in two thousand

1030
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 7: of Fiatra Arafat, when we signed all these agreements, turned

1031
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 7: over these strategic lands we're talking about the biblical heartland

1032
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 7: of the state of the Ramadwish people over to our enemies.

1033
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 7: They've used those areas for terror launching paths. So what

1034
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 7: France decide, what the UK decides, what all these countries decides,

1035
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 7: that at the end of the day, you're absolutely meaningless.

1036
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 7: But again it makes it look bad from a PR perspective.

1037
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 7: These are PR stunts, and sadly, these countries are fighting

1038
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 7: with pure evil and rewarding pure evil instead of siding

1039
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 7: with the one food democratic country here in the police

1040
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 7: state of Israel, which has been fighting with evil for

1041
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 7: really for one hundred year, but recently since the October

1042
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 7: seventh massacre. So they are on the wrong side of history.

1043
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 7: And we have friends like the United States who clearly

1044
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 7: understand the situation. In the administration in Washington, I think

1045
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 7: is doing a very, very great, great job in order

1046
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 7: to tell the difference between right or wrong, not fall

1047
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 7: for this propaganda and stand with their true ally. And

1048
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Speaker 7: as I heard Ambassador Mike Huckabee say just last week,

1049
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 7: partner Israel, United States, we are partners, he said, the

1050
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 7: United States has one true partner in the world, and

1051
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 7: that is Israel.

1052
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: Well, I still have about thirty seconds just to put

1053
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: a bow on this idea of starvation. Is it the

1054
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: Israelis belief that Israel could do more to help these

1055
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: people get food? Or is this really about the UN

1056
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: and Hamas keeping food from getting to the people.

1057
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 7: Hamas it's hijacking the trucks which are going in. There's clear,

1058
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 7: crystal clear evidence showing that at the same time the

1059
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 7: UN has left. I don't know how many truckloads of

1060
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 7: goods at the border, not willing to bring them into

1061
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 7: Gaza and distribute them to the people because they're upset

1062
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 7: that the United States started using this GHF humanitarian organization.

1063
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 7: So instead of helping the people in Gaza, the UN

1064
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 7: has decided to spite the people in Gaza because of

1065
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 7: Israeli policy. So they're literally just several days ago your

1066
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 7: journalists on the border there standing over food and medicine

1067
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 7: and all sorts of humanitarian aid which was rotting away

1068
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 7: in the hot Israel sun because the UN decided that

1069
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 7: it's better to try to win this propaganda war, the

1070
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 7: pr war against Israel. They'd rather do that than actually

1071
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 7: help Gosins. And that's the reality.

1072
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Speaker 2: Josh Hasten from the Jewish New Sendicate JNS dot org.

1073
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Speaker 2: Find his work there and on YouTube jnstv Josh an

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Speaker 2: absolute pleasure. More coming up on Tony Kaks the path

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Speaker 2: that I think about.

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Speaker 4: You know, I put down two ray cuts in my

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Speaker 4: December last year, December, i'm ree economic projections for twenty

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Speaker 4: five I maintained two.

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Speaker 3: In March I maintained too.

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Speaker 4: In June. Two still seems reasonable to me for the

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Speaker 4: ter the year, So two more potentially, but now we've

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Speaker 4: got a lot of data to come in. But sitting

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Speaker 4: here today, I could see two rate cuts this year.

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Speaker 2: That is the president of the Minneapolis Fed on CNBC

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Speaker 2: saying two rate cuts, which is just another example of

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 2: those associated with the Federal Reserve trying to undercut Jerome

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Speaker 2: Powell or put pressure on to say, hey, this has

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Speaker 2: to happen. This moment is here. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the jobs number issue influences the way

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Speaker 2: everybody else does.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a shock to the system.

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Speaker 2: I think this idea of firing the BLS chief is

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 2: got people in a little bit of a tizzy. I

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01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: just don't think it's as big of a deal as

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: other people do. But the overall the overarching feeling is

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Speaker 2: rate cut time is here.

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Speaker 3: Get into it.

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Speaker 2: As doctor Mattwell, the economist says, also start.

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Speaker 3: Cleaning up the Fed balance sheet.

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Speaker 2: I don't hear that conversation, but certainly the rate cut thing,

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Speaker 2: the pressure's on.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna I think now it's gonna come. I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Lie from baal Hartbeer and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: So I think we're all in agreement that how the

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01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: Democrats look fleeing Texas because they don't want to have

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01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: a conversation about redistricting, the Democrats rallying around them, saying,

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,520
Speaker 2: look at these heroes. It all comes across.

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 3: As very very embarrassing.

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: But there are political fallouts to all things, sometimes minimal, sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Very very large. One way or another.

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Speaker 2: There's a win, there's a law. Very rarely are things

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: just kind of met How does this play out for Democrats?

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: How does it play out for Republicans? And should we

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: be asking ourselves the question should we be involved in

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Speaker 2: this redistrict? Tony CAATs Tony Katz today, good to be

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Speaker 2: with you. Ed Morrissey joins me right now. You know

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Speaker 2: him from hotair dot com, where he is the Coppo

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: di Tutikappo over there. He lives in Tahos. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: That's French for Texas. Talk to me, Talk to me,

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey. Your Democrats up and left, like Wisconsin Democrats

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: up and left. I think going back to twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: which was collective bargaining, I believe it was zach ten.

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Speaker 2: Indiana Democrats left in twenty eleven. Everybody went to Illinois.

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Speaker 2: By the way, in twenty eleven, it was about union issues.

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Speaker 2: This is something that happens. Republicans have also done this.

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: Democrats have just perfected this. Their argument is that redistricting

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Speaker 2: is racist or is stealing elections.

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Speaker 3: What's the story. Well, first off, it actually started in

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: Texas in two thousand and three over a different redistricting package.

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 3: Texas Democrats did it. Then it didn't work. Eventually, they

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 3: just kept calling special sessions until they found enough Democrats

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01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: to hold a forum.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: They did it again in twenty twenty one. They did

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01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: it again four years ago, and then the state legislature

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 3: passed some laws that makes it a felony to fund

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 3: flea bagging. That's what my term for it is fleabagging.

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01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: I kind of tried to coin that one in the

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 3: Wisconsin flea bagging and for the Act ten stuff that

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 3: Scott Walker was pushing through. So they've done this now.

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Speaker 3: This is the third time that Texas Democrats have done this.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that Republicans are now trying

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: to argue is that if Democrats refuse to show up

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: for a duly called special session because the governor has

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 3: the authority to call a special session if they refuse

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01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 3: to show up, that they have abandoned their office, and

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 3: they those seats should be declared vacant. That's what's happening

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: right now. Greg Gabbott and Ken Paxton are separately working

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01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 3: that issue. They want to go to the courts and

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 3: have these seats declared.

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Speaker 2: Vacant Gabbot meaning Governor, Ken Paxon being the Attorney.

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Speaker 3: Governor Attorney general. Right now, they're acting a little bit

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: of cross purposes, and there's a bunch of technical issues

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01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: that are involved in that, but they both have basically

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 3: the same end goal, which is to start vacating these offices,

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: and if you vacate enough of them, the number for

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: the quorum drops and eventually it gets to the point

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: where where Democrats simply can't obstruct the legislature any longer.

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Speaker 3: So that's what they're trying to do right now. My

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01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 3: understanding is that a couple of the Democrats returned, I

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: think yesterday. I'm not necessarily sure why, but it's not

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 3: enough to get a quorum yet, and so they're back.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, they're back, and they were brought to

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: the They were brought to the Chamber and forced to

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 3: and force to show that they were there in order

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01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 3: to take a record of it. The House has authorized

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: warrants civil arrest warrants for the fleabaggers so they can

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Speaker 3: be arrested and brought to the Chamber. The Legislature has

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: that authority, but there's a deadline for the Friday morning,

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01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: So technically speaking, those warrants aren't quite yet active because

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01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 3: the House Speaker gave a Friday nine am deadline as

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Speaker 3: part of the technical issues that's going back and forth

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Speaker 3: between Abbott and Paxton, and that's the reason why courts

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01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: probably won't get involved until at least that point in time,

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: because courts don't like to get involved in political disputes

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Speaker 3: between the other two branches of government. They prefer them

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01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: to work that stuff out for themselves. But at some

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: point the courts may have to step in and say, look,

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: if you don't show up, you've abandoned your office and

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01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 3: it can be declared vacant, at which point I would

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Speaker 3: assume that the Democrats will start returning to Texas.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty strong assumption. Talking to Ed Marcy of

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01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: hot air dot com, let's now dig into a little

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01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: deepro of the why this is about redistricting, which is

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: not something that is unusual. It happens every ten years

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: post census. But this is about the mid decade redistricting,

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01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: which is certainly rareer, but is not unheard of. The

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Speaker 2: argument from the Democratic Party is what.

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Speaker 3: The argument is that it's illegitimate and that the reason

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01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 3: why they're doing it is to undo racially constructed districts

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 3: so that minority representation in Congress could be increased. It's

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Speaker 3: a part of the whole nineteen sixty four Voting Rights

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 3: Act and how the courts had been involved in redistricting.

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Speaker 3: The problem with this is is that the Biden administration

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Speaker 3: tried to intervene in redistricting I believe it was two

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Speaker 3: or three years ago, and ended up losing that battle

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Speaker 3: in court, which then sort of this up. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Democrats in New York have tried to do mid cycle

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01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: redistricting twice already. That's the twenty twenty census. So it's

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 3: a little rich to hear from Democrats that that is

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01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: somehow illegitimate.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the point needs to be ed.

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 2: We could all agree on a couple of things. We

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01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: could all agree that the way we draw districts is

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01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 2: criminally insane. It looks like to occupy humping in a

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: lot of these districts. It's tentacles everywhere.

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: It's nuts.

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: We could agree, we would love a system. Here's a

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: grid loop. It's done, and so the district doesn't move

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01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: on to you. You move into or out of a district.

1212
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 2: But that isn't the way it is right now. Jerry Mandering,

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: as we call it, happens in all these places. So

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 2: that's number one. And number two is what we're hearing

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 2: from the political left is that somehow what they're doing,

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: what Republicans are doing in Texas is illegal or it

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: is against the rules. And what we're here from you

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: is absolutely no part of that is true.

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01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 3: No, it's not illegal, it's not against the rules. It's

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 3: a political it's a political decision, right, So they're making

1221
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: a political decision to redistrict. The legislature has the authority

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: to redistrict at any time. So the way that you

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01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: deal with that is you have a legislative session which

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 3: is focused on that. People propose bills and you go

1225
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: back and forth amendments and all this kind of stuff.

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01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 3: And if you think that the outcome is illegitimate, you

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Speaker 3: take it to court. Now, this is not news. This

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01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: has been going on for decades. The problem for Democrats

1229
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 3: is in the states that they control, they have passed

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Speaker 3: that authority along to supposedly independent commissions that are stacked

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 3: by Democrats to produce heavily Jerrey mendered maps. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the irony of this is that they fled to Illinois,

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01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: which has got one of the worst gerrymandered states in

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01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 3: the country. It's not the worst. I think Maryland is

1235
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 3: actually worse in terms of representation, but Illinois is right

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01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: up there. And so they all fled to Illinois on

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01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 3: a private jet in order to avoid in order to

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: obstruct the democratic process. In Texas, people elect representatives to

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01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,480
Speaker 3: the state legislature to deal with these issues. That's representative democracy.

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01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 3: And they are throwing sand in the gears of representative democracy.

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 3: Whether or not you like it, whether or not you

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: like the product or not, they're obstructing democracy. And that's

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01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: the reason why their Republicans are escalating this rapidly, and.

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Speaker 2: So you're seeing the redistricting conversation now happen in other states.

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: My beloved Indiana, we've got the Vice President coming to

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: town to actually have this conversation. We have nine congressional districts,

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 2: seven held by Republicans, and the only district that I

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01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 2: think you can maneuver is what's known as the Indiana

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01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: First which is up near Chicago, northwest part of Indiana,

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Speaker 2: and that's currently held by Democrat Frank Mervan. We'll get

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: into that as we see things progress. Talking to Ed

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Speaker 2: Morrissey of hotair dot com, the Democrats have decided those

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01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: Texas Democrats are heroes that they should be lauded and

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01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 2: glorified and their name sung and praised in every way.

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01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: And JB. Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, is showing up

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 2: with them, and Kathy Hochel is showing up with them,

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 2: and Jasmine Crockett, the congresswoman from Texas, is showing up

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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: with them. And then CNN got to, of course, the

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Speaker 2: greatest voice Texas ever produced, and that is Betto O'Rourke

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Speaker 2: to chime in, listen to this.

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Speaker 9: I think what they're doing is the highest form of

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01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 9: public service. They're trying to stop the consolidation of authoritarian

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01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 9: power in America as Trump and Greg Abbott and Ken

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 9: Paxon and the Republicans in Texas, thick as thieves try

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 9: to steal these five seats in Texas because without them,

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 9: Trump's going to lose a majority in the House of Representatives.

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01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 9: And without that majority, if there's a check on his lawlessness,

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 9: accountability for his crimes and corruption, and the possibility of

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 9: free and fair elections going forward, those fifty six Texas

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 9: Democrats are all that stand between that future and where

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Speaker 9: we are right now.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's a couple pieces in that. First, if CNN

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: has to go to Beto O'Rourke, this is really bottom

1274
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: of the barrel stuff. Beto O'Rourke is a multiple time loser.

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01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 2: Bette O'Rourke has shown up no political acumen. Bete O'Rourke

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 2: has only shown to be effective somewhat on a skateboard

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01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 2: on a stage. This is the totality of how Bete

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01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: O'Rourke has progressed and has worked himself in Texas. These

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Speaker 2: five seats. First, I don't believe that these five seats

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: are necessary for Republicans keeping majority in the House, although

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01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 2: I would agree that keeping majority in the House is difficult.

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01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 2: Where did that talking point come from?

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think you look at how it's

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01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: in the margin is in the House, and the fact

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Speaker 3: that I think Republican the Republican seats in New York

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Speaker 3: are probably at risk, especially you know, with the the

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Speaker 3: tax thing that went on with the you know, the

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Speaker 3: salt the salt adjustments and stuff like that didn't leave

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Speaker 3: people very happy in New York because we're still not

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Speaker 3: subsidizing their state extremely high state taxes through the federal

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Speaker 3: tax system. Right, So, I mean, I think there's there's

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Speaker 3: some risk there. And of course, in midterm elections, presidents

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Speaker 3: generally tend to see a loss in the House, not

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Speaker 3: necessarily in the Senate, but in the House. And look,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got a margin four or five seats,

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Speaker 3: so four or five seats matter. And look, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think you can make the argument that there's that

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Speaker 3: they're certainly thinking about that while they're going through this.

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Speaker 3: But again, redistricting is a political process. It's Texas is

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Speaker 3: not the first state to do this mid mid cycle.

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Speaker 3: They won't be the last either, And that's what it's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be. It's supposed to be a political process

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Speaker 3: so that if people are unhappy about the result, they

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Speaker 3: can then hold the politicians who produced it accountable, not

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Speaker 3: independent commissions, which by the way, is kneecapping Democrats' ability

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Speaker 3: to respond to this because in places like California and

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Speaker 3: New York, and I think Illinois too, although there's not

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Speaker 3: much they can do in Illinois or Maryland, they can't.

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Speaker 3: They simply can't redistrict because they've handed that authority off

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Speaker 3: to independent commissions who can't do anything about it. They're

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Speaker 3: going to have to change their state constitutions to make

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Speaker 3: it a political process again so that they can they

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Speaker 3: can engage in whatever it is that they want to do,

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Speaker 3: and they don't have time to cycle to get it done.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons why you're seeing this obstruction

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Speaker 3: take place now here in Texas. And look, the fleabagging

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Speaker 3: thing never works. It didn't work in Wisconsin. AC ten

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Speaker 3: got passed, it didn't work in Texas the other two

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Speaker 3: times that they've tried it, And now that there's some

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Speaker 3: serious penalties that go along with it, including for Beto

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Speaker 3: O'Rourke whose organization is funding this. And four years ago

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Speaker 3: the Texas legislator legislature made it a felony to fund

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Speaker 3: the to provide funds for the obstruction of the Texas legislature. Now,

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Speaker 3: obviously there's a lot of intricacies in how that money

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Speaker 3: is flowing, but I suspect that Ken Paxton is going

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Speaker 3: to be somewhat inclined to take a rather harsh view.

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Speaker 2: Is anybody going to go to jail.

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Speaker 3: The sources of this money?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know that that the issues in terms

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Speaker 2: of the warrants are civil warrants, not criminal warrants.

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Speaker 3: But if you're funding these things, that you bring it up.

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Speaker 2: To the question that is, does anybody go to jail

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Speaker 2: cuffed frog march into a courtroom as you would be

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Speaker 2: if you didn't pay your taxes?

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Speaker 3: Well, I suspect not, because I suspect that the Democrats

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Speaker 3: are going to send a few people back here just

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Speaker 3: to get this thing over with, because if they have

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Speaker 3: to close the session because Texas Democrats don't come back,

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Speaker 3: abbit's just going to open up another session. And you'll

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Speaker 3: do that for as long as it takes until courts

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Speaker 3: finally declared those seats vacant, because they if they are

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Speaker 3: never going to show up for a special session, those

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Speaker 3: seats are effectively vacant, and the courts are going to

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Speaker 3: eventually have to recognize that. I don't know that they're

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Speaker 3: ready to do it right now. We'll see. But I

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Speaker 3: suspect that if there's two sessions and they don't show

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Speaker 3: up for the second session, courts are going to be

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Speaker 3: a lot more amenable to the argument that Democrats have

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Speaker 3: abandoned their offices and that those seats are vacant and

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Speaker 3: should be put up for special election.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what you get out of it. Talking

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Speaker 2: to Edmarsey of hotair dot com, Certainly things are done

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Speaker 2: politically for a purpose, and you can argue that there's

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Speaker 2: some a gain. You can argue that there's a loss

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Speaker 2: of very few things keep you just, you know, stagnant.

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Speaker 2: There are statements you can make that don't affect you,

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Speaker 2: but actual actions usually cut one way or another. It's

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Speaker 2: just a question to the varying level of degrees. What

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Speaker 2: is it that the Democrats believe they gain from this maneuver.

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Speaker 2: Not only that the Texas maneuver. We can understand while

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Speaker 2: they're trying to stimy this action, but this is about

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Speaker 2: drawing attention to something. And look at all the governors

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Speaker 2: and everybody else and the media that's behind them. What

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Speaker 2: do they believe the gain here is?

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Speaker 3: The gain here is the continued disqualification campaign against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: And you heard it from Better Work. The crimes he's

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Speaker 3: committing that, you know, the illegitimacy of his actions. There's

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Speaker 3: no check on his power, which is nonsense. There's plenty

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Speaker 3: of checks on his power in the courts. The problem

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Speaker 3: is that Donald Trump isn't actually breaking laws, he's not

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Speaker 3: actually committing crimes. He is using his executive authority, and

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Speaker 3: the courts are having to recognize that, and Democrats don't

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Speaker 3: like it. They are trying to run the same disqualification

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Speaker 3: campaign that they've been running against Donald Trump, really for

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Speaker 3: ten years now. It worked barely in twenty twenty, it

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Speaker 3: didn't work last year, it failed miserably last year, and

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Speaker 3: it's still don't have it. There's no other principle that

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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party has right now except that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is a big meani and we want to stop him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, this is good. Their entire methodology is pointing

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Speaker 2: and crying and doing the whole thing, saying that guy

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Speaker 2: stole my cookies or whatever. That's the whole math. And

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Speaker 2: you say, to me, Tony, that's a cheap way to

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Speaker 2: put it. Actually, I don't think it is. The entire

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Speaker 2: conversation is you, the people didn't listen to us, Your

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Speaker 2: betters elected somebody we told you was bad, so therefore

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Speaker 2: you have to suffer. I always believe this has nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with Trump and everything to do with the people,

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Speaker 2: But it does show that they don't have anything else

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Speaker 2: that connects with Americans. They don't have anything else that

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Speaker 2: connects with citizens, with voters. So in the conversation of Gains,

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Speaker 2: I can't figure out who they're going to get to

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Speaker 2: their side. Who amongst the Republicans, Who amongst the independence

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Speaker 2: and moderates, whatever you want to call them. Ed now

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Speaker 2: looks at this and say, you know what, what Republicans

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Speaker 2: are doing is really wrong. Here, We're going to change

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Speaker 2: the way we vote in the midterms.

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Speaker 3: Again. I think it's delusional. So, I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: what they think is that if they keep doing the

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Speaker 3: same thing over and over again, they're going to achieve

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Speaker 3: a different result, Which is the definition of insanity. One

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Speaker 3: definition of insanity. It's delusional. They are trapped within their

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Speaker 3: own thought bubble and they don't have a connection out

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Speaker 3: to reality. They're living inside this blue sky, twitterish reality

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Speaker 3: in which everybody understands how bad of a guy Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is, and it's just a matter of time before

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Speaker 3: we can derail him by making him look bad. And

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Speaker 3: it just simply doesn't work because Donald Trump a is

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Speaker 3: just simply not inclined to play along with that type

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Speaker 3: of thing. And b it's outside of reality anyway. They

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Speaker 3: are landing on the twenty percent positions in politics because

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Speaker 3: they just have to oppose Donald Trump and whatever it

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Speaker 3: is that Donald Trump says. They have to be on

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Speaker 3: the opposite side of Donald Trump at all times.

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Speaker 2: More with Ed Morrissey coming up here. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats Today. I've got more of my conversation with Ed

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Speaker 2: Marcy coming up, specifically what about the possibilities of backlash

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Speaker 3: More coming up with edmar See keep it here. It's

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: Today, continuing my conversation with Edmarcy of hot air dot com.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you

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Speaker 2: regarding how the Democrats have handled this whole redistricting conversation

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Speaker 2: and how they find themselves constantly on the wrong side

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Speaker 2: of every single issue. As Ed Marssey gets into on

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Speaker 2: the eighty twenty issues, they're always less than the twenty percent, and.

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Speaker 3: It's put them in really bad political boxes to where

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Speaker 3: basically now they're open borders, you know, they don't want

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Speaker 3: to deport anybody, they don't want to keep anybody from

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Speaker 3: coming into the country. They want to have men in

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Speaker 3: women's locker rooms, men in women's sports. They simply can't

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Speaker 3: back off of these positions any longer. They don't have

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Speaker 3: a feedback loop. They have locked out. They've locked themselves

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Speaker 3: out from all the normal feedback loops because they're so

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Speaker 3: obsessed with Donald Trump that they can't see beyond Orange

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Speaker 3: Man Bad. And that's exactly what this is here in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Which is why I referred to it as the crying

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Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to, you know, engage hyperbole or or

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Speaker 2: make a joke, although it may have been a laugh

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Speaker 2: moment for for some, it really is pointing at the

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Speaker 2: other guy in saying, uh, they they took what I want.

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Speaker 2: It is really down to this. This this very very simplistic,

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Speaker 2: low level type of response, type of reaction. It's what

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Speaker 2: happens when you don't have another message that you can offer.

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Speaker 2: Talk to Edmarssey off hot air dot com. We should

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Speaker 2: really discuss exactly how detrimental that is for all of us.

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Speaker 2: And I want to get into that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you've got the time, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 2: you around if you've got time.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you got anything else to do. Ed

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Speaker 3: this is the greatest moment to get of your day.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's see christ moment of my life. Yea, let

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Speaker 2: me before I get there talk about the games. For

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Speaker 2: the Republicans, this, this whole idea of redistricting is a

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Speaker 2: very aggressive move. Never mind a legal move. It is

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Speaker 2: an aggressive move. This is a very Trump move. This

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01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 2: is the move that people who voted for Trump. These

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01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 2: are the kinds of things we wanted to see, not

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01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: the play by the quote unquote their rules of the

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Speaker 2: Bill Crystal conservative, which Bill Crystal clearly I guess was

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Speaker 2: never a conservative.

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Speaker 3: This is what we've what we've learned.

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Speaker 2: But this is the this is how we fight to

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01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 2: win game. That's what we're seeing here. This is and

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01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: we should see it as an aggressive maneuver, a legal maneuver,

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01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 2: five maneuver. You're right, it's political, but it is an

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01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: aggressive maneuver. The win here, seremony is that you can

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01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: get seats. But maybe the greater, the greater question is

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01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 2: what is the political backlash that could happen. What is

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Speaker 2: the court of public opinion say about these moves regarding redistricting.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the reason why I think redistricting should

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01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 3: always be a political process, right, It's what it was

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01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 3: meant to be, because it means that politicians are going

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01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,520
Speaker 3: to be held accountable for their actions, not independent commissions

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01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 3: that operate without any accountability whatsoever except to whatever power

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01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 3: establishment that there is. And you could do the same

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01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,719
Speaker 3: thing in Texas, right, and you could have Greg Gabbtt

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01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: and Ken Paxton load it up with a bunch of

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01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 3: you know, you know, mega types if you want to

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01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 3: call it that, who will draw these districts to serve

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Speaker 3: their power base in perpetuity. They don't do that here.

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Speaker 3: They have the Texas Legislature do their job and actually

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01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 3: have to cast votes on something of substance so that

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01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 3: voters can hold them accountable. And so the downside to

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01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 3: this is that maybe voters in Texas don't like these

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01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 3: new districts, maybe they're angry over this, and as a result,

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Speaker 3: the Texas Legislature has to take some accountability for Republicans

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Speaker 3: lose some of their edge here in Texas. It's possible.

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Speaker 3: It's not like there's no Democrats in Texas. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of them, especial around Houston and Austin.

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Speaker 2: But you would argue Bob will but not necessarily probable.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because look, I mean, it's hard to

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01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 3: gain something like that out. It depends on how the

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01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 3: districts are drawn, too. Just because they're saying that they're

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01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 3: gonna get five new seats out of this doesn't mean

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01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 3: that they're actually gonna get five new you know, US

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01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 3: House seats, and they're gonna have to deal with the

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01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 3: fallout from that in the Texas you know, apportionment of

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01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 3: state legislative seats too. So if you've got people who

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01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 3: who are moving districts and don't like it, they're gonna

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01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna blame some It's like that line from The Godfather.

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01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm gonna blame some of the

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01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 3: people around this table. They're gonna Texas legislation. Well that

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01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: was no, that was my laymag and now I will

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01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 3: not forgive right. That's that, and I will not forgive right.

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01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 2: Your your impression seem like you're doing an impression of

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01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, doing an impression of Marlon Branda. That's that

1547
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: was not your best work, but it's not my best word. No,

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01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 2: it is an interesting idea that there can be some

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 2: level of backlash here that the Republicans have to deal

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01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: with and they have to make the determination that it's

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01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 2: it's worth it. Talking to Ed Marcy off hotair dot com.

1552
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Find his work over there. Follow him on the Twitter.

1553
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 2: Ex Ed Marscy m O R R I S S

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Speaker 2: E y. There's two rs.

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01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 3: Yep, two ours two s's. I got that right.

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01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question about the future.

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01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: And it is not for me to spend time worrying

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01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: about the future of the Democratic Party. That I am

1559
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: not a Democrat. I do worry about the future of

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01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: the Republican Party being a conservative and Republicans being more

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01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: populous these days. These are things that I do, indeed

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01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: have have concerns with. But there is a worthy question

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01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: here about where this party is going. This Democratic Party

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01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: is broken. Chuck Schumer cannot lead. We were fully aware

1565
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 2: of this. Hakeem Jeffries has proven in the House of Representatives,

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01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: the congressman from New York, that he cannot lead. My

1567
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: argument was months ago that they have lacked and lost

1568
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 2: a wartime Consiglieri. They simply don't go back to Godfather references.

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01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 2: They simply don't know how to fight. These guys are

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01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: not Vito Corleone. These people are not even Tom Hagen.

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01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: They can't fight, and everything they grab onto is simply

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 2: as you were describing Trump bad as opposed to here's

1573
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 2: a policy that's better for your kids, for your life,

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01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: for your business, for your future, which I assume comes

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01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 2: from being the party of the university professor and not

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01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 2: the party of the working class. There have to be

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01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: some actual Democrats out there who have taken notice of

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01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 2: this and are.

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Speaker 3: Working on this.

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01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Have you seen anything amongst any Democrats that have shown

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01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: you that there's a seriousness in trying to be able

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01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 2: to connect again and it's Americans on subjects that matter

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01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 2: to Americans.

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01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 3: No, but I will tell you that I see them

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01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 3: in some of the affiliated groups.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: There's a really interesting article today in the Free Press

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: about the United Auto Workers. I don't know if you've

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01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 3: had a chance to read this. It's very good. The

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01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: Free Press is actually a really great platform. I highly

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01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 3: recommend it to people. That's very interesting. They have all

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01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 3: sorts of different opinions and so it's a good mix.

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01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 3: So I recommend it to friends across the political spectrum.

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01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 3: I said, you're going to find stuff you don't like

1595
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 3: and find and find stuff you like, and that's the

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01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 3: way it should be. But this one article talks about this,

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01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 3: and the United Auto Workers had a serious decline in

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01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 3: membership because of the drop off on auto manufacturing the

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Speaker 3: United States, and of course a lot of this work

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01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:50,480
Speaker 3: shifted to the South because of union contracts being somewhat corrosive.

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01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 3: So about fifteen years ago or so, twenty years ago

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01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 3: or so, they started bringing in other industries to the

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 3: UAW in order to bolster their political standing, which was fine,

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01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 3: except what they brought in was a bunch of white collar,

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01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 3: highly progressive work spaces. That has really changed the character

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01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 3: of the UAW. And so the UAW went all in

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01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 3: on Biden and Harris. When most of the auto workers

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01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 3: in the United Autoworkers Union it turned out to be

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01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 3: more supportive of Trump. Their money is getting shifted into

1610
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 3: these things and the UAW, this is the point of

1611
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 3: the article. The UAW, the rank and file is getting

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01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 3: extremely unhappy with the UAW and is trying to force

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01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,440
Speaker 3: some changes in that. So it would be more responsive

1614
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 3: to its core membership rather than to the progressive elite

1615
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 3: that has managed to infiltrate the UAW and converted into

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01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 3: a progressive activist group. I think that that's the type

1617
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:54,679
Speaker 3: of thing that you're going to have to see first,

1618
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 3: is you're going to have to see these activist groups

1619
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 3: get seriously challenged before or you're going to see the

1620
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 3: progressive elite establishment start to pay attention.

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01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,799
Speaker 2: So you're making the argument, of talking to Ed Morrissey

1622
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 2: of hotair dot com, of the difference between a thermometer

1623
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 2: and a thermostat. The difference between the two things is

1624
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: that a thermometer measure temperature and a thermostat changes temperature,

1625
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 2: and regulaticians are thermometers. The people are the thermostat. The

1626
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: more we talk about an issue, the more they respond

1627
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 2: to an issue. That's all they do, measuring the temperature

1628
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,639
Speaker 2: we the people, and then responding to it. So you're

1629
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: making the argument that the thermostat needs to change for

1630
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: the thermometers the Democratic Party to change. My response to

1631
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 2: that is the thermometers must all be broken, because don't

1632
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 2: they already see that their party is this fractured thing

1633
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 2: of literally communists and Islamist supporters in terms of those

1634
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 2: who support Amas and hate Israel and push anti Semitism

1635
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 2: and this vestige, blue collar world that would still like

1636
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 2: to they call themselves Democrats, but they've made it impossible

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01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: because they're the party of elites in the university set

1638
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 2: and other places, and they hate the caller folk. They

1639
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 2: need a wake up call from voters. They don't see

1640
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 2: it themselves. How is that possible?

1641
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 3: Oh, they see it. They just refuse to say the thermostat.

1642
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 3: The thermometers aren't broken. It's the thermostats that are broken.

1643
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,759
Speaker 3: They see the temperature rising, they just refuse to adjust

1644
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,839
Speaker 3: the thermostat. They just the thermist at won't adjust. Because

1645
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,919
Speaker 3: the people who are now in control of the Democrat

1646
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Party are not democrats. They are authoritarians. They want to

1647
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 3: impose their will regardless of what people think about it.

1648
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 3: They have an agenda that they want to impose by

1649
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 3: any means necessary. Elections don't matter. And that's I mean,

1650
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 3: this is the big lesson from twenty twenty four. This

1651
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 3: is absolutely I mean, they and the reason why they're

1652
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 3: going after the reason why Donald Trump is going after

1653
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 3: bureaucracy is because that was the way that Democrats could

1654
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 3: ensure that elections didn't matter. And the reason why they

1655
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:09,839
Speaker 3: went after US eight is because that was a funding

1656
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 3: feedback loop to the same progressive groups that made sure

1657
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 3: that the bureaucrats were safe. So that made sure that

1658
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 3: Democrats could keep getting re elected and to ensure that

1659
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 3: elections really didn't matter because the policies were never going

1660
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 3: to change, no matter what the people wanted, the policies

1661
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,719
Speaker 3: were never going to change. Well, Donald Trump has disrupted

1662
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 3: all of that, and they're very angry about this because

1663
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 3: now they're going to have to compete and they don't want.

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Speaker 7: To do that.

1665
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons why you see the

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01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 3: fleabaggers going out of Texas again for the third time

1667
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 3: in twenty years is because or twenty two years, i

1668
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 3: should say, because they don't want to compete. They just

1669
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,679
Speaker 3: want their way, and they're used to getting their way.

1670
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Speaker 2: And so you took it in a little bit of

1671
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 2: a different direction, and I love the way you took

1672
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 2: it that their desire is elections don't matter because everything

1673
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 2: remains the same, which has been our conversation of does

1674
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 2: the institution exist to serve the city scenery or does

1675
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: the institution exist for the sake of the institution existing, right,

1676
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 2: That's that's what we're discussing.

1677
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 3: The other part of that in terms of elections.

1678
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Don't matter is that for it we go back to

1679
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 2: what we've learned now from the release of information with

1680
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 2: Telsea Gabbard, the release of the Dunham Sorry, the Durham Annex,

1681
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 2: these these things. When the Democrats believe when we win,

1682
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 2: you do what we tell you and don't look at us,

1683
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 2: and when they win, we will punish you the voter

1684
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 2: for not voting the way we told you to vote.

1685
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 2: That's that's what I always think of when it's when

1686
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 2: it means elections don't matter, because if you don't vote

1687
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: the way we want, we will punish you by disrupting

1688
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 2: everything so you don't even get your way to begin with.

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Speaker 3: That was you just played Beto O'Rourke, right, That was

1690
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 3: Beto O'Rourke's message. Donald Trump is a criminal. Donald Trump

1691
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 3: is you know, Donald Trump is is being a big

1692
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 3: meaning and he's not doing what it is that we

1693
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 3: think he should be doing. So therefore we're going to

1694
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 3: try to kneecap him. We're going to try to conduct

1695
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 3: lawfair against him. That's what we've been doing for the

1696
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 3: last several years. Well, now the shoe is on the

1697
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 3: other foot. The lawfair is starting to go in the

1698
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 3: other direction. They don't like that either, and they're claiming

1699
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 3: that now it's an abuse of power to go after

1700
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 3: elected officials for crimes. I mean, Adam Schiff is going

1701
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 3: to be the next guy up on the block, apparently.

1702
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 3: I don't think that's actually going to go anywhere. The

1703
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 3: mortgage fraud Ali Manshins, but the Department of Justice in

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01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 3: Maryland right in Maryland in California, you can say both places, right,

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01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 3: because he's claiming homesteads in both places. I don't know

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01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 3: that that's going to go anywhere, because I suspect that

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01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 3: the Statute of Limitations probably is going to limit whatever

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01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice can do there, because all this

1709
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 3: stuff goes back several years. But they're claiming that now

1710
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 3: it's retaliation to have some to have somebody, to have

1711
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 3: an elected official investigated by an administration that's controlled by

1712
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 3: the other party. Well, welcome to twenty twenty one, welcome

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Speaker 3: to twenty twenty two, to twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 3: Crats created this model, and now they don't want to

1716
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 3: play by it. Why because they don't think that they

1717
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 3: shouldn't have to. They're they're they're the elite, they're the

1718
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 3: they're the they have all the received wisdom, and we

1719
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 3: should just acknowledge that and do whatever the hell they

1720
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 3: tell us to do. That's arrogance. That's what Beto Work

1721
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 3: is talking about. That's what Adam Schiff is talking about.

1722
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 3: That's what the people who are uh in danger of

1723
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 3: being indicted over the Russia Gate hoax are crying about too.

1724
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Speaker 3: Is that, Well, in a minute, we're we're we're the experts.

1725
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 2: We you know, we just we just.

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01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 3: Served our country and you're going after us. Well, congratulations,

1727
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 3: that's the model you guys created. Explicitly, you guys created, yes,

1728
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 3: and now you get a chance to live by it.

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey hooks to be you put an exclamation point

1730
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Speaker 2: on this thing. Edmarrissey, hotair dot com. I appreciate you

1731
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 2: being with us more to get to I'm Tony katz

1732
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 2: Epstein's apienas for Bill and Hillary Clinton and a whole

1733
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 2: bunch of other people former attorneys general, former directors of

1734
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Speaker 2: the FBI like Komy and Muller. I'm all in who knew, what, when,

1735
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Speaker 2: whear why and how? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

1736
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: to be with you. I want answers. And by the way,

1737
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Speaker 2: just because you've been subpoenad doesn't mean you're guilty of anything.

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01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 2: I have no idea, like you know that certainly Bill

1739
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 2: Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein had a relationship, and that painting

1740
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 2: of Bill Clinton in the blue dress and all that,

1741
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't.

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01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 3: Mean he was on the island.

1743
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 2: We don't know until we know. You can think whatever

1744
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 2: you want. I'm not here to tell you otherwise, but

1745
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 2: we don't know until we know.

1746
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 3: So with that, I don't know.

1747
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 2: I do not know, But I want answers, and I

1748
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 2: like anything that involves movement to get them in the

1749
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 2: House Oversight Committee doing this.

1750
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 3: I like me as you know.

1751
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: I want the files released, no question. So that's gonna

1752
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 2: be a big story as it comes down. And who

1753
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 2: shows up for the depositions and who doesn't, and then

1754
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 2: the tariff on India not surprised. This is all to

1755
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 2: try and make the deal happen so then they can

1756
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 2: put the pressure on China. This is as we described it,

1757
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 2: like we're the pre cogs. People we knew this was coming.

1758
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Speaker 2: Find everything at Tony katz dot com. Tomorrow. Everyone to

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Speaker 2: take out