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Speaker 3: you to perform. And so he kept saying today Shane

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Speaker 3: psyching that is that Ady Mitchell has to earn it.

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Speaker 3: And so what does that mean, Well, we'll find out

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Speaker 3: certainly throughout this week and what that means for Sunday's status.

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Speaker 3: And so to your point, Jake, if he is not available,

436
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Speaker 3: how do you handle that? You know, how do you

437
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Speaker 3: come back from that? How do you act like a professional,

438
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Speaker 3: how do you coach up your teammates, how do you

439
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Speaker 3: believe in it? How do you, you know, do all

440
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Speaker 3: the things that you're supposed to do when you don't

441
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Speaker 3: get what you want. Because right now he's given what

442
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Speaker 3: he wants and he's been proven, at least through the

443
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Speaker 3: first you know, stages of his career in the NFL,

444
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Speaker 3: that he can't be trusted in the big moments, and

445
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Speaker 3: so it's unfortunate for him. But also it's not a

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Speaker 3: career ender. I'm not staying benching for the rest of

447
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Speaker 3: the year. No one's saying that. But they sit him

448
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Speaker 3: down for you know, a week, considering that Alex Pearce

449
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Speaker 3: is also back in the lineup. But assuming that happened,

450
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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, I think,

451
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Speaker 3: to get his attention and also to kind of let

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Speaker 3: him know we have a higher standard here.

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Speaker 1: James. You ever you grew up in northern Illinois, did

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Speaker 1: you ever find yourself in a situation as a kid

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Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, when you were playing on

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Speaker 1: a frozen pond and you were on ice, you ever, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, when you're out on

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Speaker 1: the ice and then all of a sudden you hear

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Speaker 1: that like and you realize that ice Like you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like every kid in America probably did

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Speaker 3: that when their parents sold not.

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Speaker 1: To correct, right, So, so you hear that noise and

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Speaker 1: you know, like, oh my gosh, you know the ice

465
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Speaker 1: is not near as solid underneath me as I think,

466
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Speaker 1: can you immediately retreat to get off of the ice?

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Speaker 1: What player for the Colts right now is hearing that

468
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Speaker 1: ice and is starting to wonder just how stable things

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Speaker 1: are underneath them if they don't get things going.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I think one we already hit

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Speaker 3: on with Ady Mitchell. Another one is David Howard. For sure,

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Speaker 3: those two are the ones that really stick out to me,

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Speaker 3: and for different reasons. I think for Ad it's all

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Speaker 3: about focus and finishing and being a professional and all

475
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Speaker 3: the things that go into you know, making plays on Sundays.

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Speaker 3: And then for Exavid Howard, you know, it's like the

477
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Speaker 3: reaper coming from you is basically he's looking at me

478
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Speaker 3: like can I be the player that I used to be?

479
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Speaker 3: Can I still be an NFL starter at this point?

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Speaker 3: Because right now I believe that is the case. And

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Speaker 3: so those two players stand out for sure in my eyes.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, not to say like this is

483
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Speaker 3: some red you know, flag or some alarm, but I

484
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Speaker 3: do think you want to see Bernard Ryman, the left tackle,

485
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Speaker 3: bounce back from a poor showing last week. I got

486
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Speaker 3: beat multiple times on the edge, had a couple of penalties.

487
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Speaker 3: Now he's on the hot seat. I'm not saying he's

488
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Speaker 3: to be the doghouse, but you do want to see

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Speaker 3: him bounce back as well against the Raiders team that's

490
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Speaker 3: struggling right now but still have a great pass rusher

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Speaker 3: in Max Carlsey on the other side.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, left tackle is the one position

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Speaker 1: to me, James that even the very best of the best,

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Speaker 1: it feels like that's the one position. And I think

495
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Speaker 1: so much of it is just like it's a timing

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Speaker 1: field position. The very best of the best at left tackle,

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Speaker 1: it seems very few of them go sixteen for well

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Speaker 1: and now I guess it would be seventeen go seventeen

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Speaker 1: for seventeen in a season of a game where you go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were there. They always. It seems like it is

501
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Speaker 1: a position very prone to an off day. The elite

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Speaker 1: ones are simply the ones that make sure that that's

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Speaker 1: the one off makes sense, oh oh yea.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. But I think the reason why my

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Speaker 3: eyebrows are raised and again nine a bad weigh just

506
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Speaker 3: in a Hey, they gave you one hundred million dollars,

507
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Speaker 3: you have to perform. And I get that. You know

508
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Speaker 3: you're going up against the best in the world and

509
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Speaker 3: you weren't in All Pro or Pro Bowclayer, and you

510
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Speaker 3: might not be. But I still consider BERNARDA. Ramasy one

511
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Speaker 3: of the better left tackles in this league. And he

512
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Speaker 3: even said to himself he's got to play better. He's

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Speaker 3: got to bounce back. And one thing I do love

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Speaker 3: about Bernie is never you know mint his words. He

515
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Speaker 3: says it like it is. He takes ownership and usually

516
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Speaker 3: he responds pretty well. So I'm excited to see how

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Speaker 3: he performs. Perhaps and they better like comes Sunday against

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Speaker 3: the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what else are we looking for today or that

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Speaker 1: could be big topics for you tomorrow in the morning.

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Speaker 3: I think one of them is just looking at Maganzalvez.

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Speaker 3: They were saying they were going to work him out

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Speaker 3: today to see if he can practice later on. That

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Speaker 3: is the starting white guard for the Cold although they

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Speaker 3: really missed him last week. He's played really well this season,

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Speaker 3: especially in past protection. So he's someone that you want

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Speaker 3: to have out there against the Raiders, really want to

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Speaker 3: have out there every week obviously as a starting offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: So that's an other injury update. And then from there,

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, looking at this offense as a whole,

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Speaker 3: how do you kind of bounce back from your first

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Speaker 3: sort of dud. You know, you only score twenty points

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Speaker 3: to the twenty seven, or perhaps more than that given

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Speaker 3: eighty Mitchell's blunders. But Daniel Jump, how do you respond

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Speaker 3: to your first game where you did not play lights out,

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Speaker 3: You weren't at an MVP level, you had two turnovers.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've sort of bought into you here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 3: But how do you solidify it? And you go out

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00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: there and you bounce back and you play well against

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Speaker 3: the bad Raiders team. So to me, the coach are

541
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Speaker 3: very fortunate to be three on one. I know some

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00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: people are saying, oh they should be four, and oh well,

543
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Speaker 3: you could just easily be Town two given how the

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Speaker 3: Denver game ended. So you take a three and one,

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Speaker 3: you come back home against a bad Raiders team. You've

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Speaker 3: got the Cardinals coming to town the week after that.

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Speaker 3: They're not a great team either, So you're in a

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Speaker 3: great position to still control your destiny when it comes

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Speaker 3: to winning the division and get into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: All right, James, appreciate it. We'll be listening in the morning.

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Speaker 1: All right. Appreciate it, brother, have a good one, James

552
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Boyd joining us from the Athletic and the Fan morning show.

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Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, you might you might

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Speaker 1: hear it again I mentioned earlier. You know, there's no

555
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Speaker 1: humidity in there, so you can hear things in the air. Right,

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Speaker 1: do you hear the wind of change? There's a wind

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Speaker 1: of change. And I'm speaking almost aesthetically.

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Speaker 2: Usually when I hear a wind in fuel wind, Jake,

559
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Speaker 2: that means it's something else. He hasn't made a stop

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Speaker 2: in a while, so I don't know if it's him

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Speaker 2: or not. He's speaking by chance of our friend Robin.

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Speaker 2: I know, Robin, the genie is not here. But there

563
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Speaker 2: are winds of change taking place throughout Indianapolis. Aesthetically speaking,

564
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: And one of those who was behind the decision to

565
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Speaker 2: mix things up with one of our teams joins us.

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Speaker 2: Next summer indeed is past, and now we move on to,

567
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Speaker 2: of course October, because September is ending. That's not to

568
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Speaker 2: say the Boys of Summer are not a topic of conversation,

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Speaker 2: and I noticed it.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was I think it was two days ago

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Speaker 1: on social media. The new look, if you will, the

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Speaker 1: new branding of the Indianapolis Indians joining me now to

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Speaker 1: talk about it. He is the president and CEO of

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Indians. He is also the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: Minor League Baseball Executive of the Year. Randy Lewandowski joins

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Speaker 1: us on the program. And Randy, I am prepared to

577
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Speaker 1: cash out the four oh one K and come to

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Speaker 1: the gift shop because I love every aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: But then I thought to myself, the new look of

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Speaker 1: the Indians, what went on behind it? I thought we

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Speaker 1: could talk about exactly that. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great, Jake, Thanks for having me on. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's normally a pretty quiet time of the year for

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Speaker 4: our gift shop, but we're open and swing on buy

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: and we'll help you out.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So there's a rich and I talked about this yesterday, Randy.

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Speaker 1: I think people may I think most people know this,

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Speaker 1: but there is a really rich tradition of baseball in

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Speaker 1: Indiana beyond just the years, you know, the century of

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Indians baseball and some of the great players that

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: have come through here, but also great players that are

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Speaker 1: native to hear. I mean everything from Oscar Charleston, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the Negro League teams and the ABC teams and

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00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: the clowns. You guys have kind of paid homage to

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Speaker 1: all of them in different periods. And this particular new

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Speaker 1: look for the Indians, getting away from the red and

597
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Speaker 1: black and kind of more into a navy color scheme,

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Speaker 1: seems to kind of tie a lot of that in.

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Speaker 1: But maybe I'm overthinking it. What was the motivating factor

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Speaker 1: here of the rebrand?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, you're exactly right. The black and the

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Speaker 4: red again. This is I just finished my thirty second

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Speaker 4: season with the Indianapolis Indians, and it's been the same

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Speaker 4: look and feel for all thirty two because it started

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00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: the year before me. So a good portion of your

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Speaker 4: listeners and Indianapolis in general think, oh, Indianapolis Indians, red

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Speaker 4: and black. But if you go prior to that, we

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Speaker 4: had some exposed colors for the six or eight years

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Speaker 4: we were at the expos in the late eighties and

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Speaker 4: very early nineties, But prior to that, most everything that

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Speaker 4: we had was a red and or a navy look.

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Speaker 4: And when you harken back to the twenties, the forties,

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Speaker 4: the fifties, the sixties, that was prominent. It's also this

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00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: city's primary colors being navy and red. And really that's

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Speaker 4: what we were leaning into, is the heritage, the nostalgia, the history,

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Speaker 4: as you said, that we have in the city of Minneapolis. Again,

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Speaker 4: we've been around since nineteen oh two. That's why we're

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Speaker 4: Indy's original home team. You're going to see and hear

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Speaker 4: that a lot because we've been around longer than anybody else.

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Speaker 4: And that's really what we leaned into as we started

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Speaker 4: to look into this three or four years ago.

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Speaker 1: In terms of and for those that are unfamiliar, Randy

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Speaker 1: the you have a and all baseball teams do this.

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Speaker 1: Now I realize like kind of multiple logos, right. So

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Speaker 1: there's one I've already seen somebody wearing it today of

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00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: the interlocking I in d Y that goes it's almost

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Speaker 1: like a New York Yankees, New York Fire Department kind

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00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: of look that spells out India on the hat. There's

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Speaker 1: another that uses simply and I'm going to speak generically here,

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Speaker 1: like an old script letter I that's on the hat,

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Speaker 1: which one first off, will be the primary look.

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Speaker 4: We're going to where both the Indie monogram will be

633
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: primarily at home we call the black letter I primarily

634
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: on the road. That they are interchangeable. We felt like

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Speaker 4: we wanted to do both to give us some flexibility

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Speaker 4: to see how they all fit and come together. But

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Speaker 4: that is the primary focus on those can you talk

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00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: about and we'll still continue, you know, we're focusing on

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Speaker 4: what you've just mentioned, Jake. We'll still continue with our

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: Circle City brand. We're still going to continue to honor

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00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: the negro leagues. We've got something exciting coming from a

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: Native American perspective. Those are all things that will roll

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Speaker 4: out in the spring, but right now we're focused on

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: our primary which is we did a roundel. That's the

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00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: circle that you might see, oh gosh on a piece

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Speaker 4: of paper when your sponsor and event kind of is

647
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: your classic look. That's on the sleeve of all of

648
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: our jerseys. So that's our prime logo. And then we

649
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: have the monogram and then the black lay eye that

650
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: you had mentioned. So we're excited about all of them

651
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: and really looking forward to getting them out in the

652
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: public and we're being more visible than we ever have

653
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: been in what we would call the fourth quarter of

654
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: the year. We usually go pretty dark, but we're out

655
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: there with an ad campaign. We ran a spot during

656
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: the Indianapolis Colts game, believe it or not, on Sunday,

657
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: and you're going to see us in some other non

658
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: traditional spots for us here this fall and winter.

659
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: Why the timing on it just I mean, and I

660
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: don't mean that in a bad way, you know, I mean,

661
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: like you said, it's been a long time, but was

662
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: there a significance of the year. Did somebody in marketing

663
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: just get bored? Is it a I mean, obviously it's

664
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: going to sell out of merch as well. Any specific

665
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: reasoning for that?

666
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: I think a couple things. The first one, as we

667
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: entered in our partnership with the Miami Nation of Indians

668
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: of Indiana in twenty twenty three, we certainly learned some

669
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: things about their perspective. And the old logo had a

670
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: Southwestern look and feel to it, and that's not really

671
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: proper to where we are in the eastern Woodlands and

672
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 4: with the tribes represented here. So if you look at

673
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: the roundel, it's got some ribbon work and that's more

674
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: native to this area, so that was important as well.

675
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: And candidly, the other logo is thirty three years old

676
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: and we felt it was outdated and it was time

677
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: to give it a fresh look. And we put all

678
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: that stuff together and we've worked on it for Like

679
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: I said, it's always a long process, and for us,

680
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: it's been three to four year of a journey with

681
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: lots of input from Native American tribes, from our staff,

682
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: our board of directors, season ticket holders. We've done gallery sessions,

683
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: jam sessions, lots of different community audiences to give input.

684
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: It wasn't just cooked up by our marketing and creative departments.

685
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: They led the process, but we certainly was inclusive and

686
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: we tried to be as thoughtful as because we made

687
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 4: the adjustment for what we hope is the next thirty years.

688
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, Randy, this will stun you, I know. But

689
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: I was looking at the you know, I guess now

690
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: the recently retired logo, if you will, of the Indianapolis Indians,

691
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: and one of the things that was worn on the hat,

692
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: you know it, I guess it's the facsimbile of it.

693
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: It resembles an arrowhead, right that particular logo that I'm

694
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: talking about. You'll be stunned to know that. I was

695
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: fifty three years old, and however, many months now when

696
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I realized that that actually is two letter eyes that

697
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: are up against each other for Indianapolis and Indians to

698
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: form that I never knew. That. Is that stunning to

699
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: you that I didn't figure that out?

700
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: No, it's not stunning. Most people did. And I would

701
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: tell you that it was cleverly done and probably too

702
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: cleverly done back in the early nineties because that we

703
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: referred to it as a double eye, not an arrowhead.

704
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: But I mean, I certainly see how everyone you know,

705
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 4: how that has been portrayed and thought of over the years.

706
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: But that was it was two eyes that formed together

707
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: and then with a little uh some other marks in

708
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: there as well, And but it was a little too clever,

709
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: I think. So, Jake, You're you're not alone in that regard.

710
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: Well, usually on the last to figure stuff out.

711
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: Oh, it's stunner. Never. Never, you're mister Indianapolis, You've been

712
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: You've been looking at that thing for a long time.

713
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: But it is funny when you start to look at things,

714
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: how you just look past.

715
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Well and then once you see it. You don't unsee

716
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: it right once you see it, Like, how in the

717
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: world did I never know that I wanted to before

718
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: we let you go, Randy, and I appreciate it. Randy

719
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Lewandowski is our guest from the Indianapolis Indians. You touched

720
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: on something I wanted to touch on a little bit more,

721
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: and that is, you know, we live in an era

722
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: and a time, and I know that the question had

723
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: been brought up of would Indianapolis ever deviate from the

724
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: name Indians, And obviously the Cleveland Indians come to mind

725
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different in the caricature nature of Chief

726
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Wahoo versus say the way that it's been branded in Indianapolis.

727
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: But obviously I and I didn't realize this, So I

728
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you expand on that. There obviously has been a

729
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: very concerted partnership amongst a Native American tribe to make

730
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: sure that all of this is done within the proper respect,

731
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: if you will, of that group of people. And so

732
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: therefore the name I would assume continues for another one

733
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: hundred years as well.

734
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: We certainly think so. And yes, again, as we forge

735
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: that relationship with the Miami Nation of Indiana that has been,

736
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: it's been It's just like any other partnership and relationship,

737
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: and this one is built on trust and respect and

738
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: cheap Buchanan and his tribal Council. They're based up in Peru, Indiana.

739
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 4: It's been a wonderful relationship. We've learned a lot. It's

740
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 4: going to allow us to better educate and further educate

741
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: and use our platform to do so. We will not

742
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: be the spokespeople for the Miami Nation. We can't be,

743
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: and we won't be. Can provide a platform for them,

744
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 4: and that's something that we have done with our Native

745
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: American Heritage Nights where we recognize Native American veterans with

746
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: a scholarship program, just other things that we can build

747
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: in regards to that relationship and that partnership, and it's

748
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: been fantastic. They were here Friday night from when we

749
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: did the unveiling. We're going to be super excited when

750
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: we do again. I mentioned we've got something else coming

751
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: that is even more Native themed in the spring, and

752
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: they're fully behind all of that and they've been a

753
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: great partner of ours and we're excited to see where

754
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: that goes in the future.

755
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: And lastly, the partnership with you know, obviously now being

756
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the parent club, being the Pittsburgh Pirates. I'm always fascinated

757
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: with how those dynamics contractually speaking, work. That partnership extends for.

758
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: How long that is through two thousand and thirty, so

759
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: we've got another four or five seasons left in that,

760
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 4: and really that becomes it's changed a lot over the years.

761
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: Those used to change every two and four years. Now

762
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 4: their ten years situations via Major League Baseball. They're more

763
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: involved than they ever have been. And so yeah, we're

764
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: going to be a proud partner in affiliate with the

765
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Priors through twenty thirty.

766
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: Do they have say in the branding and the color

767
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: scheme and that kind of thing.

768
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: They do not. We offered them an opportunity to take

769
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: a look, and they're fully aware of what's happening and

770
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: they're fully supportive. It'll be a little different when we

771
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: wear navy helmets instead of black helmets and everything else,

772
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: and as players coming up and down from different levels,

773
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 4: but not all of their affiliates are the black and Gold,

774
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: and we didn't think that was going to be appropriate here.

775
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: This is still cold country as Spacers country, It's Indianapolis

776
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: Indians Country. We didn't think to introduce gold was going

777
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: to make a lot of sense in Indianapolis, that's.

778
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: For sure, Randy. We certainly appreciate it. I love the look.

779
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: It is well done. I certainly also a tip of

780
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: the cap pardon the pun for tying in and letting

781
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: our listeners know about the tie in as well with

782
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Miami Nation and the tribute to that.

783
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: In terms of the designs of the look. I'll be

784
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: over at the gift shop Friday. My buddy Jeff Ester

785
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: and I are coming to break the bank.

786
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: All right, sounds great, Jake, appreciate the opportunity and be well.

787
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Randy Lewandowski, who is the president and

788
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: CEO of the Indianapolis Indians Eddie, have you you said

789
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: you have or have not seen them? Seen what the

790
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: new look?

791
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: The new I absolutely love the new look. The Indie

792
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: hat is a chef's kiss.

793
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Oh it's pretty. Somebody told me it's too.

794
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Confusing, not at all. I'm a person just need some help.

795
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: Maybe they need some glasses.

796
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Jaked, did you know about the double I on the

797
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: old logo?

798
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: No, I hadn't been any Honestly, I saw the the

799
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: indie hat and I felt too much in love with

800
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: that one. I was just like, I don't even care

801
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: what the others look like.

802
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge

803
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: fan Zach Ostromannostterroman's going to join us in the program.

804
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: What time did you say, Eddie for Zach? Fifteen minutes

805
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: from now, Jake, fifteen minutes from now, Sam King? As well?

806
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: We got a little college football to get into. Will

807
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: do it in fifteen?

808
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 4: Was that?

809
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: So here's the good news bad news yesterday in the

810
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: world of sports. And I will get back into my

811
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Fever game last night. Somebody made the

812
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: point to me, Jake, I love the passion, but what

813
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: nine year old was watching that game when it was

814
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a nine to thirty tip? I get it. I mean,

815
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily speaking about like the kids would have

816
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: been up right then, but the example was still there

817
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: in the way that that team played and everything that

818
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: they did. Hoping to have Stephanie White on the program

819
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: on Friday.

820
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Jake, I just have to commend Stephanie White for the

821
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: job she did, and I know she will never take

822
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: credit for it just because that's not the type of

823
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: person she is. It's the type of coach here she'll

824
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: deflect and say that, you know, all the credit should

825
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: go to Ambra Cox, Kelly Crosscoff mil Rains, all the

826
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: people above her and then the players below her. But

827
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: the job that she did of rallying all those players

828
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: together throughout the course of the season, delivering you know,

829
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: powerful message after powerful message to empower these women on

830
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: the roster to come together, be able to figure it

831
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: out on a game to game, night to night basis

832
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: on what was working and what wasn't working, while trying

833
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: to navigate all the constant questioning of when is Caitlin

834
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Clark coming back?

835
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: Is she coming back?

836
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: All of that stuff, the death in the family that

837
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: she had earlier in the season, all of it she

838
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: had to overcome so much and she won't never take

839
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: credit for it. But the job she did this year

840
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: is one for the Ages.

841
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I totally agree. And look, you know,

842
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: we do we have a bias because she comes on

843
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: the show. You know, I'd like to think not, but

844
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: I guess human nature does come into play a little bit.

845
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: But you know, there was a lot of question about

846
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Stephanie White early in the year, right when Kenton Clark

847
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: first went out and they were struggling, and the way

848
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: that that group and it was literally like five different versions,

849
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: you know, the Indiana Fever this year looked like the

850
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: San Diego Padres uniform department. Like every game, it's different,

851
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: totally different. Look, the Organ Ducks is another one. Yeah, Oregon,

852
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: just when he got used to one helmet, here comes another.

853
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: And that's what they had to do this year in

854
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: terms of the way that they how they needed to look.

855
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: When I do the does it make you think of

856
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: Aflak or does it make you think of the organ Duck?

857
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: I think the organ I mean the Orgon Duck's just awesome.

858
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

859
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's my homie, Yeah it is. There's there's

860
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: confliction over the name of the organ Duck. Now, when

861
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to when I was pseudo stalking the

862
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: organ Duck at ross Age Stadium, just name the organ duck.

863
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: Numerous people told me his name was Puddles, And I

864
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: don't think that's right. I think it's just the orgon Duck, right,

865
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: it's the organ Duck. Yeah, I mean he needs he

866
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: does need probably a better name than the organ duck,

867
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: but he is. When did the Oregon duck become like

868
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: the dude? It's a great question, you know what. I mean,

869
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden one day we all just collectively

870
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: as a country woke up and said to ourselves, like,

871
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: you know what, Like the Oregon duck is the dude? Right?

872
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: So they have a live white duck that attends games.

873
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: That one is named Puddles. They have a live duck, Yes,

874
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: I assume it a cage. I'm not sure to just

875
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: waddle them around?

876
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Is he he's just walking around? That seems like it'd

877
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: be dangerous right now? Can you name all of the

878
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: flightless birds on Earth? No, the ostrich would be one, right,

879
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: The penguin would be one. Is the emu? Is the

880
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: emu a bird? Is that a flightless bird? Look up?

881
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: Flightless birds? Ostrich? I mean, obviously ducks aren't one of them.

882
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: That's why you know, with puddles on the sideline, you've

883
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: probably got to keep them relatively caged in. Penguin, Ostrich?

884
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: What am I missing? Ostrich? Emu kiwi of the Kiwi?

885
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Of course, that's the flightless bird of New Zealand. Yeah,

886
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: a rail excuse.

887
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: Me, uh yeah, a rail okay, that's a rare island bird.

888
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting because a steamer duck excuse me, steamer duck. Dodo.

889
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh the dodo is extinct though, isn't it It is? Yeah,

890
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: an elephant burd elephant bird. Yeah, there's there's no colossal

891
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Madagascar bird. Well, that's got to be the same as

892
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: the elephant, right, quail colossal part quail Okay, that makes

893
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: sense yep. And also a vice president yep. Any others, Oh, yeah,

894
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: there's plenty. I'm just trying to you know. Actually that

895
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: quail bird is the vice president. Also kind of never

896
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: took off, right, but the array r h e a

897
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: yeah ray okay, But and also puddles. The Oregon duck

898
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: a flightless bird because they want to make sure that

899
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: he ain't flying around, right, But he was. He was

900
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: cool when I met him. Didn't say a lot.

901
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: Well, he's a mascot, Jakie, he's not supposed.

902
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: To say anything. What the you know this year so

903
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: far has been twice in the last year has lost

904
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: his noggin. Poor guy. I know. I should say they

905
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: should have you be the duck because theres once they

906
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: get that head thing over your head. There's no way

907
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: that thing's just gonna randomly pop off. Thanks. I don't

908
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: care how many summersaults he's doing, or backflips or fights

909
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: he's getting in with the Stanford Tree, none of it. Right, Yeah,

910
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: I needed to belittle bit. Thank you Jake in the NFL.

911
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: By the way, do we haven't had the breaking news sounder?

912
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: By chance? I don't know you're gonna be nice. The

913
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns are playing in London against the Minnesota Vikings

914
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: this weekend, and people in London are going to say

915
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: to themselves, yeah, you know, I thought we were going

916
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: to come out and see Jeff Flack. Where's Jeff Flack?

917
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't say him, but instead is that guy? Actually

918
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: he used to be a doc at Oregon Dot Dylan

919
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Gabriel is now the starter for the Cleveland Browns.

920
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: Former Boomer sooner as well. And can you name the

921
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: third college you played at?

922
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. Dylan Gabriel should know this.

923
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: He finished at okho or Oregon?

924
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: Right?

925
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: He did? He did? Indeed? Lead what conference for the

926
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: school in between? Right? Or did he start at Oklahoma

927
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and then went somewhere and then Oregon? Oklahoma was school

928
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: number two? Okay did he was it a big leap

929
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: for him to go to Oklahoma or a lateral movement

930
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: big leap? Yeah?

931
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean the schools, you know, one of those fun

932
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: hit schools to go to for football that typically score

933
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: a lot of points but give up a lot of points.

934
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: Boise State they have kind of sick uniforms. No, not

935
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Boise State. They have kind of sick uniforms. They do,

936
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: but they score a lot of points but give up

937
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of points. Are they a boy game like

938
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: a bowl team? Usually?

939
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 5: Uh?

940
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? What conference?

941
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: Their color scheme is very similar to produce, but they

942
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: just have a lot of unique different uniforms. Well, I

943
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: believe they're in the Big twelve.

944
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Baylor. No, okay, go ahead, hits UCF. Okay, yeah, they

945
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: might be in the Big twelve now right, they are

946
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: at any rate. Joe Flacco has been replaced by Dylan

947
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Gabriel as the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. The

948
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: interesting point of that, Shador Sanders still listed as third

949
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: on the depth charts, so Flaco drops.

950
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: One spot, and then Arizona. This just announced Trey Benson,

951
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: who is taking over to the RB one duties for

952
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: James Connor, who's going to be out the rest of

953
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: the year. Placed on injured reserve. He's expected to come

954
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: back after four weeks with a knee injury. So if

955
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: you play fantasy football, yikes.

956
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Speaking of fantasy football, our league three and one, Chicago's pizza.

957
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: Don't even get me started on that unbeaten Chicago's pizza

958
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: got last week.

959
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: They're unbeaten.

960
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: Man.

961
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 2: I got freaking elite neighbors going down the first quarter

962
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: and Chicago's pizza gets like.

963
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Them is the breaks. Them's the breaks. Turkeys, by the way,

964
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: don't fly right. Just WKRP knew that you think WF

965
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: and I does as well. Did you say, Zach.

966
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Next, I didn't have a I didn't have the last week.

967
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Zach Ostromer. Next Zach Ostraman joins us talks

968
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: a little Hoosiers. Next yesterday, driving along, I get the

969
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: following text message, this is the the joy. I say

970
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: that I enjoy is the wrong word because it sounds facetious.

971
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: I enjoy this. I'm not, don't get me wrong, but

972
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I take it with a little bit, not just a

973
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: grain of salt, but like the entire Morton's factory. My

974
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Buddy Jason's wie who I went to IU with, and

975
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: he is like one of these the biggest Indiana fan

976
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: on the planet. Right. So Indiana could sneak their way

977
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: into the NCAA tournament as an eleven seed and in

978
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: the opening round could be faced up against the team

979
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: with Steph Curry, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Shay Gilders, Alexander

980
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: and Tyrese Haliburton. And his wig's like, dude, I'm telling you,

981
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I think they got him. I think they He sends

982
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: me the following says, I got to see an IU

983
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: basketball practice and got to meet with coach Lea. Bryce.

984
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Guy is awesome and he runs a great practice team

985
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: looks great. I think we're going to surprise some people,

986
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: which is all well and good. But at the same time,

987
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: by like year three of Archie Miller, you know, I

988
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: heard the same thing from people like, no, you just

989
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: got to see him in practice. Man, Alan Iverson didn't

990
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: like when he talked about practice, And I'm curious whether

991
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: those that have been around Indiana think the same in

992
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: terms of you can't buy into that just yet because

993
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: there is still a lot to be done, but joining

994
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: us now on the program from the Indianapolis Star. He

995
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: is the Indiana Athletic beat writer. Zach joins us, Zach,

996
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: how are you?

997
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 6: I just can't get to the mute button fast enough.

998
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: I apologize.

999
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 6: I got the I got the dog shuffling around in

1000
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 6: the office with me, and so I muted it and

1001
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 6: uh yeah.

1002
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: Sorry about that.

1003
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Which dog is this?

1004
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 7: Uh?

1005
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 6: So we have we have two again? Rebel is what

1006
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 6: is one of the original that you're familiar with? And

1007
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 6: then we have a Pyrenee porter Collie Nix name mo.

1008
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Now for what I'm thinking, there was one? Was it?

1009
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: Chewy?

1010
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: Was that? His name?

1011
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: Chewy was Chewye was? Yeah?

1012
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 7: Chewy was Chee?

1013
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 6: He cast away a couple of years ago.

1014
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Chewy made a few radio appearances. If

1015
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. He was not microphone shy, No, he was.

1016
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: He was robust, all right, he was.

1017
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: He was very football basketball. I'll let you choose which

1018
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: one you want to lead with here.

1019
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 6: Well, I'm right about basketball today.

1020
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: Might as well start there, Okay, So you know, how

1021
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: is it? It's fascinating. I was out today at media

1022
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: day for the Horizon League, for example, Zach, and you know,

1023
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: Au Indy for that matter, new coach they've he's brought in.

1024
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: It's very James or excuse me, it's very Kurt Signetti feeling.

1025
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: Ben Hallett. The new coach at IU Indi has brought

1026
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: in four players from West Liberty where he came and

1027
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, you got this whole new roster, so nobody

1028
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: knows right And to an extent, Indiana feels the same

1029
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: way in terms of we just kind of don't know

1030
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: the roster yet, but you've gotten indication of it because

1031
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: they've obviously had an off season of some games together.

1032
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: What have you noticed that it's going to be different

1033
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: than a year ago aside from personnel.

1034
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 6: And so far as you're a very different philosophy of roster,

1035
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 6: can instruction. You know, by choice, Uh, Indiana's going to

1036
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 6: be a fair bit smaller. And I know it, you know,

1037
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 6: I know Indiana fans will say, oh, you know, thank god,

1038
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 6: we're not gonna you know, be playing big ball, two

1039
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 6: big lineups, and it's like, okay, I get that that.

1040
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 6: You know, just remember that that had its advantages right

1041
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 6: like that, you know, it was hard to bully Indiana

1042
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 6: inside and it's not like I think Indiana the last

1043
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 6: couple of years has been proof that there is plenty

1044
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 6: of quality in the portal if you go looking for

1045
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 6: a big man. They chose to really emphasize guards, wings, shooting,

1046
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 6: positional interchangeability. You look at the number of guys on

1047
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 6: this rosters that are somewhere between six four and six

1048
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 6: to eight and can probably guard you know, at least three,

1049
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 6: if not four positions, maybe even a couple can guard

1050
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 6: all five positions. You know that the reality is they're

1051
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 6: starting four man is probably going to be six with seven,

1052
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 6: but they're all probably gonna shoot the ball an awful

1053
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: lot better than what Indiana fans have seen the last

1054
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 6: few year. They're obviously going to be a very experienced team,

1055
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 6: which I think is going to make a difference. That

1056
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 6: you could see that in those games that they had

1057
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 6: to come back from in Porto Rico. I wanting to

1058
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 6: say the Bahamas because they went there twice with Woodson,

1059
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 6: But you know, it is just it is a roster

1060
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 6: that is going to look for his shots in different ways,

1061
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 6: play defense in different ways, move the ball, share the ball,

1062
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: score the ball in different ways. I suspect, stylistically, in

1063
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 6: ways that are both welcome and in ways that might

1064
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: take some adjustment for some people. The first few games

1065
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 6: of the season are probably going to be I would say,

1066
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 6: something of a mild system.

1067
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: Shot, okay. And with that, the question I would have

1068
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: is are they stylistically playing something that cater to what

1069
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: he was able to put together via the portal or

1070
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: did he go out to the portal to get people

1071
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: that stylistically play what he wants to play.

1072
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 6: I think it's probably more of the latter, Like a

1073
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 6: lot of what he talked about, you know, when he

1074
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 6: talked about kind of his principles and his approach when

1075
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 6: he was hired, and certainly if you talk to people

1076
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 6: who know him from his time at Drake and his

1077
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 6: one year at West Virginia, which admittedly that was a

1078
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 6: little bit of a weirder sort of sample size because

1079
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 6: he lost his son early in that season and just

1080
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 6: kind of I think had to change the way that

1081
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 6: team tried to win games. But I think that a

1082
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: lot of what Indiana did in the portal was informed

1083
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 6: by what Debrees wants his teams to be and not

1084
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 6: the other way around. Now, you are always especially in

1085
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 6: a low volume player sport, and what I mean by

1086
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 6: that is, there are just a limited number of you know,

1087
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 6: compared to football, compared to baseball, compared to soccer, there

1088
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 6: are just fewer players on the floor at any given time.

1089
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 6: In basketball, you're always going to be a little bit

1090
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 6: more hold into your talent, right, You're always going to

1091
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 6: have to adjust based on what you're able to you know,

1092
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 6: what you're able to acquire, and you know, this year, obviously,

1093
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 6: Indiana's needs were fairly extreme because they had to renovate

1094
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 6: their entire roster, at least in terms of the scholarship

1095
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 6: spots scholarship players. But I do think that a lot

1096
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 6: of these sort of floor spacing, high tempo motion offense principles,

1097
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 6: sort of vision that degrees laid out, I think a

1098
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 6: lot of these players fit that, at least at a

1099
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 6: basic level. I think I think what he does this

1100
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: year is going to reflect in some pretty fundamental ways

1101
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 6: what he wants his seems to be philosophically and structurally.

1102
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 6: And again, that will always vary somewhat because you will

1103
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 6: always be beholden to your talent to a certain degree

1104
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 6: in basketball. But I don't think he necessarily just went

1105
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 6: out and got the thirteen best players he could find

1106
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 6: and said, you know, I'll once I i've got my roster,

1107
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 6: I'll draw up my plan for next year.

1108
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: You know. The it's interesting Zach because we didn't know

1109
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot about him coming in right talking about coach

1110
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: de Breeze, I the you know, West Virginia. I talked

1111
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: to some people from West Virginia. I don't remember where

1112
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: I was recently. I saw a guy wear in a

1113
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: West Virginia hat, you know, talked to him, Oh, yeah,

1114
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: we're from Morgantown. And the guy said, he said, look,

1115
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: we thought he was going to be here a long time.

1116
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean like he he had that kind of a

1117
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: feel of really good coach and whatever else. And he said,

1118
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: I understand why you would leave to go to Indiana.

1119
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: But so with that said, you know, when you when

1120
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: you watch or you're around it, does he seem to

1121
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: be the lead by example, like kind of quiet leader,

1122
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: just confident type like what we see in a Kurt

1123
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: Signetti Or is he more of the you know, high energy,

1124
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: run around frantic Tom Crane level coach or is he

1125
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: a Bob Night coach?

1126
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 6: So I would say I've gotten to sit in on

1127
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: I guess three practices. Now if that's right, because I

1128
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 6: got to see him once out in Puerto Rico, and

1129
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 6: that that one was I would describe maybe as more

1130
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 6: of a workout than a practice, but also obviously been

1131
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 6: able to see him coach three games. I think what

1132
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 6: I have observed of him in practice is distinct to

1133
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 6: what I have observed of him in games, and that

1134
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 6: is kind of what I was told to expect with him.

1135
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 6: He is very competitive in games. Although someone told me,

1136
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 6: and I have not had the bandwidth and the desire

1137
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 6: to look this up, someone told me he's never been

1138
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 6: whistled for a technical foul. I've had that kind of

1139
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 6: hard to believe for somebody who's been a head coaches

1140
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 6: as long as he has. But he is a very

1141
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 6: competitive guy within game like he's a very you know

1142
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: like I mean, even those games in the I keep saying,

1143
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 6: the Bahamas, even those games in Puerto Rico, which anybody

1144
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 6: who was on that trip could tell were probably the

1145
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 6: low priority of the entire preseason tour sort of apparatus

1146
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 6: for Indiana. Once he got into those games, he was fiery,

1147
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 6: he was competitive, he wanted to win them. But in

1148
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 6: practices he's when I say he's high energy I just mean,

1149
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 6: he's kind of all over the place and involved, but

1150
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 6: he's not barking in people's faces. There's not a lot

1151
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 6: of you know, sort of screaming yelling. You know, he's

1152
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 6: not overly demonstrative. Honestly, his practice is remind me of

1153
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 6: Signetti's in how efficient they are. They just move very quickly.

1154
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 6: He's not afraid to cut a drill short if he

1155
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 6: feels like everything that needs to you know, everything that

1156
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 6: needs to get accomplished, has gotten accomplished. There's not a

1157
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 6: lot of wasted efforts. There's not a lot of wasted movement.

1158
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 6: It is much more sort of professional and business like

1159
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 6: when you are in kind of that teaching learning practice setting.

1160
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: By the way, I just pulled this up an article

1161
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: from this time a year ago. As a matter of fact,

1162
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: October fourth of twenty twenty four. This from West Virginia.

1163
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm mostly calm mostly, and by the way, are we

1164
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: going with the rezer de rise? I hear both degrees, Okay,

1165
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: I mostly calm mostly, Derees said, when asked about his

1166
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: end game demeanor. I haven't had a technical foul yet,

1167
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: so that gives you a little bit of an idea

1168
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: his son's eyes light up. That is correct. Through two

1169
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: hundred and five career games as a head coach at Drake,

1170
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: he had never been given a technical foul. So, assuming

1171
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: he did not get one last year with the Mountaineers,

1172
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: than that factoid.

1173
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 6: Is he was close a couple of times in Puerto Rico.

1174
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: And the swimming well, listen, there's there's a long history

1175
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: of Indiana coaches losing their temper in Puerto Rico. So

1176
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: watch now, right.

1177
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 6: I hope someday the film of these game services because

1178
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 6: the officiating, and I know it was being played on

1179
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 6: international rules and that was part of it. The officiating

1180
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 6: was remarkable. Some of the screens that were getting set

1181
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 6: would be better described as past blocking. It was, I mean,

1182
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 6: and then and but then some of the stuff that

1183
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 6: wasn't getting let go. And then you know, there was

1184
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 6: a play and I'm taking in the weeds now, but

1185
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 6: there was a play where a Serbian, one of the

1186
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 6: players on the Serbian team looked Trent Sisly and then

1187
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 6: fell down to make it look like Sisly pulled him down,

1188
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 6: and the referee didn't buy it and blew an offensive

1189
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 6: foul and Sisly just just bent over like six inches

1190
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 6: from his face and started barking at him. And it's

1191
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 6: just all this stuff that you know would never happen

1192
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 6: in a Big ten game. That was just absolute sort

1193
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 6: of summer back.

1194
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: I want the total mayhem. I what to mayhem of

1195
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: international play? You know, it looks like these guys are

1196
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: all playing at the Tabernacle like that with a voight

1197
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: basketball and people are throwing stuff. It's like being at

1198
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: an Oasis show. Let's go right, I mean, let's go

1199
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: go big or go home. Hey, Zach, you mentioned Kurt Signetti.

1200
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: What is Indiana's I guess schedule or do they deviate

1201
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: from it in terms of a bye week and the

1202
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: way that he handles a bye week versus a regular week, so.

1203
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 6: He'll pull some some of the load off of his players.

1204
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 6: You know, practices, and this is I don't think this

1205
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 6: is anything terribly uncon Practices might be a little bit

1206
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 6: shorter or a lot of what you'll see a lot

1207
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 6: of coaches doing bye weeks is that the guys who

1208
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 6: get more reps will be the guys who aren't getting

1209
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 6: a lot of reps during game preps. So younger players, backups,

1210
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 6: red shirts guys like that. So you're simultaneously kind of

1211
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 6: creating some opportunities for young guys to maybe you know,

1212
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 6: grow a little bit and develop a little bit in

1213
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 6: ways that they wouldn't get in a game week where

1214
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 6: you've obviously got to commit most of your time and

1215
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 6: effort to preparing your starters, and then same time you're

1216
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 6: also taking some of the physical.

1217
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: Load off of your.

1218
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 6: Ones and twos. And the other thing that every staff

1219
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 6: does during the bye week is you know, and this

1220
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 6: will also affect how you structure your practices. Coaches are

1221
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 6: in and out of town because they're out recruiting.

1222
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: I've seen.

1223
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 6: A host of in particular, I think defensive line offers

1224
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 6: that have been tweeted out in the last like twenty

1225
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 6: four hours. If that gives you a sense for like

1226
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 6: Buddha Williams and Patmos probably are right now, they are

1227
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 6: probably not on the practice field, or at least they

1228
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 6: haven't been in recent days because they had been out recruiting.

1229
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 6: Every staff uses the bye week to go check in

1230
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 6: on the guys who are committed, make sure they're still solid,

1231
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 6: make sure they're still feeling I guess to lago better terms,

1232
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 6: feeling the love. And especially because basically all the offers

1233
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 6: I've seen today and yesterday have been flats of twenty

1234
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 6: twenty seven players. You didn't news to offer juniors this

1235
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 6: early in the cycle is often, but now so many

1236
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 6: of those guys are committing in March, April, May, June,

1237
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 6: as opposed to August, October, November, December, or even into

1238
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 6: obviously the sort of pre December signing window era where

1239
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 6: you went all the way to February. You got to

1240
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 6: start recruiting those kids earlier because they're committing earlier, and

1241
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 6: you need to be involved with them earlier. In the

1242
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 6: bye week I think is important for that because if

1243
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 6: we're going to shift the calendar back a few months,

1244
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 6: then that means when you prioritize where you're going and

1245
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 6: who you're seeing in your bye week recruiting visits, you're

1246
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 6: gonna need to start really digging into what is the

1247
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 6: sort of current junior class as well.

1248
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: I want to feel the love, you know what I mean?

1249
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: Like we all want to feel the love, Like Eddie

1250
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: Win's the last time you felt the love? I have

1251
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: no idea, Zach like from the general public, tell me

1252
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: the last time you felt the love. If you're a recruit,

1253
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: like you're a recruit, Zach, and people are like writing

1254
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: you letters and they're telling you how great you are,

1255
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: and they're they're blowing you up on social media. I mean,

1256
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: I got one guy that blows me up on social media,

1257
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: and it's only because he constantly sends a picture of

1258
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: me and says queer. That's all I get. That's all,

1259
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: that's all I love, I get.

1260
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 7: I see.

1261
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I will say.

1262
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 6: The one time in my life that I understood a

1263
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 6: little bit of the rush that athletes get from the

1264
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 6: attention is when I wrote Little five, And like the

1265
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 6: who the whole frattorney has to be out there to

1266
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 6: see you off and everybody's cheering you and everybody's chanting

1267
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 6: your name, and I don't get it. I mean, like,

1268
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong.

1269
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: Team were you when you wrote Little five?

1270
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 6: I wrote for a frattorney called sigmal.

1271
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: Fom Okay, Sammy says, we know it right, yes, correct

1272
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: days you were a Sammy and you you were? Were

1273
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: you the anchor guy? Were you that? Like in Breaking Away?

1274
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: Which one were you?

1275
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 4: Well?

1276
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 6: So the thing is like in Breaking Away, none of

1277
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 6: them do anything except Dave Stoler. I was a lap eater.

1278
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 6: I wasn't very fast, but I had an engine.

1279
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: And you know in college I was a lap eater too.

1280
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: That's funny.

1281
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 4: Well I'm gonna leave that one alone, but.

1282
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: I was.

1283
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 6: I was always like on the heavy side for for

1284
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 6: a cyclist. But the advantage in Little five is there's

1285
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 6: no hills to climb, so if anything, kind of guides

1286
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Speaker 6: with a little bit more power had a little bit

1287
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 6: of advantage just to be able to sit in and

1288
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Speaker 6: just just turn over and just just like just you know,

1289
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Speaker 6: over up. Long stretches of the race, and the men's

1290
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 6: race in particular is just like a total war of attrition.

1291
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 6: There are long stretches of that race where it's just

1292
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: about surviving, not trash, you know, preserving as much energy

1293
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Speaker 6: as possible, and that was always my strength.

1294
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: You guys, finishing more last in the average, what place

1295
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: for you? Geez uh pack?

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Speaker 6: Now we were, well, yeah, we were. We finished. We

1297
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 6: finished in the trophy spots twice, eleventh and fourteen. I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna guess, I want to say, twenty fifth and twentieth.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess who won it. Your last year,

1300
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: you're ready, what what year did you run the Little five?

1301
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 6: Two thousand and nine, two thousand and six to nine,

1302
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 6: all four of those years.

1303
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna guess who won it? You ready, uh Fiji, Nope, Cutters.

1304
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 6: The Cutters won it my last three years running. That

1305
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 6: was part of the stretch of five in a row.

1306
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 6: That was the first I'm gonna get people totally.

1307
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Speaker 4: In the weeds.

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Speaker 6: Now you've done it, We're gonna this is give me

1309
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 6: the rest of the show. That was the first of

1310
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 6: the three years of Eric Young, who later won two

1311
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 6: i think two USA Criterion Championships and during Pro and

1312
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Speaker 6: cycling won the Field sprint for Cutters.

1313
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Speaker 1: Ey as he's known with his friends. Okay, so then

1314
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Speaker 1: there's one other one. I'm going to go with Pike.

1315
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 6: Now, Pike was never any Pike was never really good

1316
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 6: when I was there. It was a fraternity though.

1317
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Speaker 1: Okay, So who was the other one that won it?

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Speaker 6: Ato Alpha Tallen Nagger. They had a rider named Hans

1319
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 6: Arniston who actually lapped the field, which is especially difficult

1320
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Speaker 6: to do.

1321
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, they got booted off cameras when I

1322
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: was there, so that's cool. Glad to see they rounded

1323
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: things out.

1324
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Speaker 6: I think they've I think they've since gone through that cycle.

1325
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 6: A few times, so I try to stay out of

1326
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 6: the Greek politics of it all.

1327
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Speaker 1: Hey, can Indiana beat Oregon?

1328
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 6: And yes, I think, I mean, you know, we.

1329
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Speaker 1: Let's rephrase that. Can Indiana still make the College Football

1330
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: Playoff if they lose to Oregon and also to and

1331
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: I think they'll beat Penn State, especially if they're ranked

1332
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: in the top ten. But if Indiana goes in and

1333
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: is andarrowly is defeated by both Oregon and Penn State

1334
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: but wins out otherwise, do they still get in the

1335
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: College Football Playoffs?

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Speaker 6: I think they've got a good chance. Obviously, that will

1337
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 6: depend on what happens elsewhere. You know, does a Big

1338
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 6: twelve have two teams? Certainly doesn't seem like the ACC

1339
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 6: has two teams. I think there might be a more

1340
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 6: compelling argument by the end of the year for two

1341
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 6: group of five teams in the playoff as opposed to

1342
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Speaker 6: two ACC teams. I don't think that will happen, but

1343
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Speaker 6: I think that that is potentially there's a potentially more

1344
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 6: compelling argument forming there. It will depend, like it did

1345
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 6: last year, on how much the SEC cannibalizes itself, you know,

1346
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 6: and just how many of those can how many SEC

1347
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 6: teams genuinely sort of all themselves above the rest of

1348
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 6: the field in that conference. But I think ten and two,

1349
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 6: with the wins you're talking the wins Indiana already has

1350
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 6: and the losses you're talking about this year probably actually

1351
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 6: hands Indiana a more compelling resume than eleven and one

1352
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 6: last year because the schedule was just so bad and

1353
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 6: it wasn't you know, by and large, that wasn't Indiana's fault.

1354
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 6: They did everything they could with it. You know, they

1355
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 6: only there are eleven wins. They only won one by

1356
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 6: what was it, fewer than two touchdowns? You know, they

1357
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 6: they the reason they got in the playoff was because

1358
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 6: of how dominance they were against even a terrible schedule.

1359
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 6: But it was a terrible schedule. This schedule is a

1360
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 6: lot tougher. The losses will improve. Let's let's live in

1361
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 6: this hypothetically you've laid out. The losses will improve the

1362
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 6: strength of schedule just as much as the winds will.

1363
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 6: As long as Illinois doesn't go in the tank, the

1364
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 6: winds are going to hold up. Because Indiana didn't just

1365
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 6: beat Illinois. Indiana put Illinois through the four like iron

1366
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 6: Man and winning at Iowa. Whatever Iowa does. That's always

1367
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 6: going to carry a certain amount of weight because that

1368
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 6: is one of the most sort of uniquely difficult places

1369
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 6: in the country to go relatives to its conference and

1370
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 6: everything else. Like I said this to somebody on Sunday,

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01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 6: Iowa at Kinnick on a set Saturday, and Big ten

1372
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 6: play is the closest thing the conference has to the

1373
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 6: option anymore. That's how like distinct the challenge of Iowa

1374
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 6: football is, especially in that environment. I don't just mean schematically,

1375
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 6: I mean like structurally philosophically, that win will hold up

1376
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 6: at least to the baseline. Indiana's big thing, I think

1377
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 6: in terms of its own playoff candidacy, as you said,

1378
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 6: don't go to Penn State or Oregon and just get

1379
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 6: completely run out. Now, maybe you could afford to lose

1380
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 6: one of those games kind of heavy. Like if Indiana

1381
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 6: goes to Oregon and loses thirty five to seventeen, we said, well,

1382
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,959
Speaker 6: you know what, they had to fly across the country.

1383
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 6: It's Austin. Oregon might be the best team in college football.

1384
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 6: Maybe you can live with that. Just don't do it

1385
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,959
Speaker 6: against Penn State two. And I think that's it's interesting

1386
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 6: because Indiana's not really like like last weekend was the

1387
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 6: first time Indiana had won a meaningful road game under

1388
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 6: Kurt Signetti in a difficult environment against a good team.

1389
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 6: This not this weekend, but next weekend next game is

1390
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 6: kind of the first time Indiana's played a game under

1391
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 6: Kurtzignety where there's relatively little pressure like that, Indiana doesn't

1392
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 6: have to win this game. Indiana doesn't even necessarily have

1393
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 6: to lose this game on the last second field goal Indiana,

1394
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 6: which to I'll have state last year that Indiana was

1395
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 6: the team in that game everybody had eyes on because

1396
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 6: everyone wanted Indiana to prove themselves or not. That doesn't

1397
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,520
Speaker 6: exist in this game. There is there is a notable

1398
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 6: lack of sort of pressure or demand on Indiana going

1399
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 6: into the Oregon game. And I don't know if that

1400
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 6: makes Indiana better or worse than I find it fascinated.

1401
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: Zach Osterman is with the Indianapolis Star. He is the

1402
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: Indiana Athletics beat writer. He also was a lap eater

1403
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: in college. Zach, appreciate the time as always, and we'll

1404
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: talk to you certainly as we get closer to the

1405
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: time when the Hoosiers are going out to take on

1406
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 1: the ducks.

1407
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thanks for having me.

1408
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: As always appreciate it. Zach joining us on the program

1409
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: We Come Back. Shane Steichen has spoken regarding Adie Mitchell

1410
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: interesting comments. We'll let you hear next. You know, everybody

1411
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: has that T shirt in your closet, you know the

1412
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: one I'm talking about. You haven't worn it in like

1413
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: three years, but when you're scanning through your clothes hangers,

1414
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: you see that one T shirt and you're like, I can't.

1415
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: I can't throw it out because I might there may

1416
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: be occasion I've got to wear that again, or that

1417
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: might come back in vogue, or boy, there's going to

1418
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: be like a Halloween costume where that's going to come

1419
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: in handy, whatever it might be. But everybody has that

1420
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: one shirt also that you're You're like, you know what's funny.

1421
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: I've had this sweatshirt forever, and for a while there

1422
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: looked kind of old and tattered, and now it's like

1423
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: totally cachet and back in vogue because the you know,

1424
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: vintage is cool and hip and there for the entire closet. Yes. Well,

1425
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: then he lost all the weight thanks to Premier weight

1426
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: loss and jamb as well. And now he's got all

1427
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: the polo shirts from Goodwills. But yes, so who said

1428
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: just knock the camera? Sorry Eddie. So having said that,

1429
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: every once in a while you hear something or you

1430
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: see something that you think to yourself, well, we could

1431
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: have just gone back a year ago and played that

1432
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: same thing and it would have worked without further ado.

1433
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: As an example of what I'm talking about, let's listen

1434
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: to Shane Steichen talk a year ago about what Anthony

1435
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: Richardson needs to do to be able to get on

1436
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: the field as the starting quarterback.

1437
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's got to go through practice and earn it

1438
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 8: each and every day. How you know, the meetings, the

1439
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 8: preparation and how he prepares and how he practices throughout

1440
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 8: the week is what it means.

1441
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 4: Will he play he through We'll see all.

1442
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: The weekhos Okay. Now Shane Steiken talking about accountability and

1443
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 1: right then you just heard him talking about Anthony Richardson

1444
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: last year. Here's Shane Stike in today talking about accountability

1445
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: within just the locker room and with his team accountability.

1446
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 8: He's a big part of this thing and sometimes the

1447
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 8: outside world doesn't see the accountability that I talk to

1448
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 8: you guys about but it takes place in this building

1449
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 8: a lot of times, and it's your actions too. After

1450
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 8: something like that happens, how you got to flip a

1451
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 8: switch and go prove it because words are words.

1452
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: Words can change your thoughts.

1453
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 8: But actions, you know can change you know, right it here,

1454
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 8: so you know it's about action, you know, going forward.

1455
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay. What's interesting is when he's talking right there about

1456
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: action and accountability. That first clip I played for you

1457
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: was not actually Shane Stikeen talking about Anthony Richards in

1458
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: a year ago. That was Shane Stekeen today talking about

1459
01:14:53,000 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell. And yet you can bridge marry those two

1460
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: clips and say it's the same thing when he talks

1461
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: about accountability and he was talking about Adie Mitchell there,

1462
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: both of those clips are from today when he talks

1463
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: about accountability and he talks about the things that we

1464
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: don't see inside the building, the things we don't see

1465
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: inside the locker room. And then he goes and he

1466
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: talks about what Ady Mitchell needs to do after a

1467
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: game when Adie Mitchell not only dropped the ball early

1468
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: but also got the penalty. Play this again, Eddie. Now

1469
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: that you know that he's talking about Adie Mitchell. This

1470
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: is Shane Stike and talking as the culture returning to

1471
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: the practice field about what Adie Mitchell needs to do

1472
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: coming off a disastrous performance in Los Angeles.

1473
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's got to go through practice and earn it

1474
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 8: each and every day. How you know, the meetings, the

1475
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 8: preparation and how he prepares and how he practices throughout

1476
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 8: the week is what it means.

1477
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: Will he play he through We'll see all the week

1478
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: ost Okay. While I give Shane Styken all the credit

1479
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: in the world for recognizing those things in Anthony Richardson

1480
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: and deciding that that's why he needed to go with

1481
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, one would assume that Shane Styken had every

1482
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: reason to put Anthony Richardson back on in the field.

1483
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Had in quarterback this year, one would assume that everything

1484
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: was designed towards Anthony Richardson getting this year to again

1485
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: continue to grow. But Shane Steiken because of accountability and

1486
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 1: what does he keep talking about. He keeps talking about

1487
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: accountability within the locker room. He keeps talking about the

1488
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: things that you don't see, that we don't see, the

1489
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: words you say walking into the meeting rooms, the time

1490
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: that you arrive being on time for treatment, being on

1491
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: time for film sessions, returning phone calls to people that

1492
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: are reaching out, that want to help, all of those

1493
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: things that go beyond what you see on the football field.

1494
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken's been telling us from day one that about

1495
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, he all but stood up on top of

1496
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: the Salesforce tower or bought the billboard on four sixty five,

1497
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: saying the guy isn't getting it. He'd stop shy of that.

1498
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: It's not to say Richardson's a bad guy, not to

1499
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: say he's a bad player, but he kept telling us

1500
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: that over and over and over and now, and this

1501
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: is where I feel bad for Shane Steikin. Now he's

1502
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: got to do the same thing when it comes to

1503
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, He's got to do the same thing.

1504
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: He's got to use his press conferences, he's got to

1505
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: use his moments to the media to shout it from

1506
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: the mountaintops that somebody's got to grow up. I don't

1507
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: think Ady Mitchell is a bad guy. I don't know him,

1508
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: had him on this show, seemed like a nice guy.

1509
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Ady Mitchell is running around putting whoopee

1510
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: cushions on people's seats and snickering when they sit down

1511
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: on them. But I think he lacks the maturity and

1512
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: understanding of knowing everything that goes into being a professional

1513
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: athlete and grasping, wait for it, accountability. And I feel

1514
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: bad for Shane Steichen because after he's gone through all

1515
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: of this, after he's gone through all of this with

1516
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, now he's got to turn around and go

1517
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: through all of it again with a wide receiver. The

1518
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: same lessons, the same narrative, the same answers, the same frustrations,

1519
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: and it's a fifty three man roster versus a twelve

1520
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: to fifteen person roster. I get it, so for the

1521
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: most part, apples and oranges. But what if we talk

1522
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: about earlier today that I was saying, and I will

1523
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: get back into it in a minute, that I was

1524
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: so impressed by, in proud to an extent which sounds patronizing,

1525
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: but impressed by with the Indiana Fever, the ability by

1526
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 1: the Fever front office to, no matter how many players

1527
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: went down, continue to plug players in that did what

1528
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: it is that you need to do for a team

1529
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: to win as a team. And the Fever had to

1530
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: go three four five deep in some positions and every

1531
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: single person that they plugged in. It was the same

1532
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: thing as the one before, selfless team play, and the

1533
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: Colts have to feel like they are at times running

1534
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: into a brick wall because once again you move off

1535
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: of one player where you make the right decision to

1536
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: go with Daniel Jones. And that has been a stroke

1537
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: of genius by Shane Steiken and a credit to his

1538
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: convictions that he was like, I can't do this anymore

1539
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: and trying to get this young player to understand accountability

1540
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: and responsibilit and everything that goes into playing the position.

1541
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: So he goes with Daniel Jones and then what happens,

1542
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: But Daniel Jones has to then make up for on

1543
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: the field at times or deal with at times the

1544
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: adversity of a player that is putting Shane Stikeen in

1545
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: the position that he's already been through once before with

1546
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback and Anthony Richardson. And where I feel bad

1547
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: for Shane Stiken in addition to that is he's being

1548
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: forced to deal with this with this young receiver of

1549
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: a guy that everyone knew that coming in he was

1550
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: the eleventh receiver selected in his draft, and it was

1551
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: in round number two. And why was that? Because anybody

1552
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: that you listened to, that followed him, or was around

1553
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: him or coached him early on all said the same thing.

1554
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: Not a bad guy, not a guy that you would

1555
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: like roll your eyes if he moved in next door

1556
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 1: to you, but not a guy that you can rely

1557
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: on on and count on to consistently play the position

1558
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: because he hasn't learned yet wait for it, accountability and

1559
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: maybe now they are trying to finally teach it to him,

1560
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: but old dog new tricks. And so I feel bad

1561
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: to an extent for Shane Steichen, But at the same time,

1562
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: there is an element of what the hell did they expect?

1563
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: Because it's everything that we heard about him, And once

1564
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: he finally got his number called and he finally seemed

1565
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: to break through that bubble of whatever was holding him

1566
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: back as a player, then every label on him came

1567
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: true in the span of like thirty yards, not once,

1568
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: but twice. But I mentioned what took place last night.

1569
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: That is something that I think we can all champion

1570
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: and I will re explain that next. By the way,

1571
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: my buddy Alex Wolfe, who I do IndyCar radio with

1572
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: and is a diehard Cleveland Browns fan. I simply mentioned

1573
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 1: to him that the Browns are now going to go

1574
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: with Dylan Gabriel and that is since nineteen ninety nine,

1575
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: their forty first starting quarterback, to which he responded, to

1576
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: which he responds, imagine this if you're a Browns fan,

1577
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: he says, And remember that in the time, they could

1578
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: have drafted Tom Brady but instead drafted Spurgeon Win. And

1579
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: they also could have drafted Russell Wilson but instead opted

1580
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: for twenty nine year old Brandon Whedon, who got stuck

1581
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: under the American flag before his first game, just brutal.

1582
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about that. With Brandon Whedon, it would be

1583
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: tough to be a Browns fan for certain. And you

1584
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: know what I mentioned this earlier. It's a Wednesday, the

1585
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: Culture getting set to play the Raiders coming up this weekend.

1586
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: You've got the story of eighty Mitch perhaps being kept

1587
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: out of the starting lineup.

1588
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: Is that being overblown? Are we overblowing this Adi Mitchell situation?

1589
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: Jane, No, I don't think so, because you can't preach

1590
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: the importance of accountability and maturity for one position but

1591
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: let it slide at another.

1592
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, I just think you're comparing two different levels of

1593
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 2: importance of position.

1594
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: Understood. But it let me expand by talking about this,

1595
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: because it's the same thing. It parlays perfectly into what

1596
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting to last night. So you're looking at the

1597
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Colts and you're saying yourself, Adie Mitchell, I mean, you know,

1598
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: he's a young player and he made some mistakes, but

1599
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: we are we overstating the importance of it. Well, Shane

1600
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,959
Speaker 1: Stikeen very clearly wants to make it very clear redundant.

1601
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: I realized that there needs to be accountability across the

1602
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: board within his franchise and when that happens, and a

1603
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 1: little bit of apples and orangs is here because different game,

1604
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: different roster size, et cetera. But last night, and I

1605
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: know it was late, and I know a lot of

1606
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: kids were not able to see it because it was late.

1607
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: I get that. But I am somebody that has the

1608
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: utmost pride in being from Indianapolis. And I love obviously

1609
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: being from Indiana, and I love the There are things

1610
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: about Indianapolis and Indiana. Sure, as a city we have

1611
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: our problems. As a state, we have our problems, I

1612
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: get it. But the thing about Indiana to me, And

1613
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to realize this. When

1614
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, you know, I wanted

1615
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: the glitz and glamour of I loved, you know, seeing

1616
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: things in la and the Hollywood Knights and the Hollywood Hills.

1617
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: And I loved the fast paced and the money aspect

1618
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: and the grint of the New York's of the world.

1619
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: And I liked the beauty of the sunset in Miami

1620
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: and Miami Vice and the boats and those sorts of things,

1621
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 1: and then you know, the oil money in the opening

1622
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: montage of Dallas in Texas. I liked all those things.

1623
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I got to live here in

1624
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: a little old, boring Indiana. But as I've gotten older,

1625
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: what I've realized is this, in this country, the entertainment

1626
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: aspect comes from one coast, the money aspect comes from

1627
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: another coast. The things that fuel things may come from

1628
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: the Deep South. But the things that truly we as

1629
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: people need to survive, the heartbeat of this country is Indiana.

1630
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: Our crops are animals like that comes from Indiana. All

1631
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:58,959
Speaker 1: the other stuff is all luxury, but the necessity is Indiana.

1632
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: And it made me real that being from Indiana meant

1633
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: something because being from the Midwest meant something because it's

1634
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: the fiber and the foundation of who we as a

1635
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: country are is right here in Indiana. We go in,

1636
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: we have principles about ourselves, and that comes from the

1637
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: fact that we are kind of the heartbeat of what

1638
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: the rest of the country gets credit for being. And

1639
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,440
Speaker 1: it's for that reason that I think that we subliminally

1640
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: want and appreciate out of our sports teams or those

1641
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: things that represent us. We want them to have those

1642
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: same morals and same principles and same values. And it's

1643
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: just different. In Los Angeles. Sure, you're perfectly fine with

1644
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: going out and buying championships by just using your huge

1645
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: capital to go out and get the best payroll and

1646
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: get the best players and whatever, because you got all

1647
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: the glitz and glamour money there and everything's superficial anyway.

1648
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 1: But in Indiana, we're just different and we want accountability

1649
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: because we, for the most part in the Midwest, are

1650
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: people that go in every day and what we hang

1651
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: our hat on is the fact that we go to work,

1652
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: we do our job, we come home and we try

1653
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: to raise a family and kids to do the same thing,

1654
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and we just take pride in the fact that we

1655
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: are a little bit different. And when you look at

1656
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: this Indiana fever season, and yes, I get it. The

1657
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: WNBA is a niche sport. I get it, right, I

1658
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: get it. It's not as big as the Pacers, It's

1659
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: not as big as the Colts. I totally understand it.

1660
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: IU is ranked in the top ten. They're getting ready

1661
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: to go take on Oregon off there by. I get it.

1662
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: Purdue is getting ready to take on Illinois for a trophy.

1663
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: I get it. Notre Dame is trying to fight their

1664
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: way back into the college football playoff. I get it.

1665
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: There's a ton that we can talk about, but what

1666
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: I want to talk about right now is simply this,

1667
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: and that is it. Last night I watched a team

1668
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: that found themselves on numerous occasion trailing in a game

1669
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: where they were trying to for the fourth time win

1670
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: and an elimination game. They've already done so three times,

1671
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: the most in the WNBA since twenty twenty two. And

1672
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: they're on the road taking a two seed and a

1673
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: team that has championship pedigree and numerous fabulous players, including

1674
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: one of them that's the all time leading scorer in

1675
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: Indiana high school basketball history, honest roster and an MVP

1676
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: level player at a defensive Player of the Year, and

1677
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: all of that all on one roster, and yet the

1678
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: Fever are going in there and they're doing it. One

1679
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: went away from going to the WNBA finals, One went

1680
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: away from reaching the same round that their men, within

1681
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: the same umbrella of company the Pacers did three months ago.

1682
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Whatever it was. Caitlin Clark, who is the most famous

1683
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: women's basketball player on Earth right now, been out for

1684
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 1: the majority of the year. You know that, right, Sophie

1685
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Cunningham out. You knew that Ari McDonald the point guard out,

1686
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: You knew that Chloe Babbie out, Sidney Colson out. The

1687
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: number of players that the Indiana Fever have lost due

1688
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: to injury at no fault of their own, not holdouts,

1689
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: not like had to cut some point. I mean, Dewana

1690
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Botter is one that they brought in big time free agent.

1691
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Immediately realized it wasn't a fit. They decided to mutually

1692
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: part ways. But these other players, it wasn't because they

1693
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: were head cases. It wasn't because they weren't accountabil accountable.

1694
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't because they were late to meetings, they were hurt,

1695
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: they were injured, and they the Fever just had to

1696
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: keep on going. And last night they find themselves in

1697
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: a situation where all of a sudden, you're looking at

1698
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: it and you're going, holy cow, Like they're down seven

1699
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: and they just came roaring back. And now all of

1700
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, there were within three, they were down eight,

1701
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and they come roaring back, and now the game's tied.

1702
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: At one point late in the game, Nolan's doing the

1703
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: radio and he actually says, why not Indiana twice? Twice? Right, trademark?

1704
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: And so people all of a sudden are like looking

1705
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 1: at it, and around the country, I would hope people

1706
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: are watching it and they're like, Wow, look at this

1707
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: group and the person who has led them in scoring

1708
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: this year, Kelsey Mitchell, who has the highest single season

1709
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: scoring average in Fever history. She goes down with what

1710
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: now we know was extreme cramping. She was seen at

1711
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: a Las Vegas hospital afterwards and has been released. But

1712
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: she goes down and at the time you don't know

1713
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: what the extent of the injury is. But the players

1714
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: are rallied around her, and now they come to the

1715
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: sidelines and they're without Caitlin Clark, and they're without Sophie Cunningham,

1716
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and they're without Sidney Colson, and they're without Ari McDonald

1717
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: and they're without Chloe Bibby and now they're without Kelsey

1718
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: Mitchell and Aliah Boston's got five fouls and they come

1719
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: to the sidelines and Stephanie White says, no, no one

1720
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 1: is better equipped for this moment than we are, because

1721
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: every one of you has had to dig down deep

1722
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: over the course of this year. And what does sports represent?

1723
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: What is the value of sport? And I'm not talking

1724
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: about youth travel sports and five star recruits and nil deals.

1725
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when you first get signed up for sport,

1726
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: when you're six years old, what does your parents want

1727
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: you to learn. They want you to learn discipline, They

1728
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 1: want you to learn practice, and they want you to

1729
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: learn the value of finding the importance in teamwork, of

1730
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: putting your own skill to the test, but at the

1731
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: same time meshing it with that of somebody else because

1732
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: you have a common goal with that person of being

1733
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: the best as a group. And whether you are today

1734
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: an architect, or you are today working at home depot,

1735
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: or you are today working at a medical facility, whatever

1736
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: it might be at some point over the course of today,

1737
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: you are going to have to accomplish a goal at

1738
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: your place of employment, or within your family, or within

1739
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: your neighborhood where you've got to come together with other people.

1740
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: And last night, what the Indiana Fever did. They lost

1741
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: that game. They lost it, but you know what they did.

1742
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: They won the admiration of a lot of people, and

1743
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: they should have if they hadn't already won your respect

1744
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: as a representative as the Indiana Fever of representing what

1745
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: we in Indianapolis, what we in Indiana have always taken

1746
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 1: pride in that makes us different than the glitz and

1747
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: glamour and the fake lifestyles of other parts of this country.

1748
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: Because they said to themselves, we are not going to

1749
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: sit here and dwell on what we aren't. We're going

1750
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: to in fact push in on the strength of what

1751
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,879
Speaker 1: we are. And Stephanie White, I thought, did a fabulous

1752
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 1: job over the course of the year of staying true

1753
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: to that mission. I think the Fever front office in

1754
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Kelly crosspop and everybody that is involved in it did

1755
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: a fabulous job of putting people in the right position

1756
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: that they knew had the moral compass to get accomplished

1757
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: what it is they needed to get accomplished, and they

1758
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: did not advance to the WNBA finals. But you know what,

1759
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: who cares? They absolutely got As I said earlier, they

1760
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: should have Maxwell House Coffee as their sponsor because they

1761
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: were good to the last drop. They got every single

1762
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: drop out of themselves and out of the team that

1763
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: you could possibly ask for, with every single curveball thrown

1764
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: their way, and they hit every one of them like

1765
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Shoheo Tani did last night against the Reds.

1766
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 4: On the first name.

1767
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Thank you thanks for that. Yeah, I was brutal one

1768
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: not once, but twice, mind you a Taskar Hernandez twice

1769
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: as well. I thought it was fabulous. I thought the

1770
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: fever last night. Hats off to them, thank you for

1771
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: showing and embodying what not. Just and I know the

1772
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: WNBA we've talked about this is finally a league that

1773
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: young girls can look at and see their their role

1774
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: models and their heroes in an example, not young girls

1775
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: now yesterday, any young athlete, any young person can look

1776
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: at that team and say that's something that I'm proud

1777
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 1: they're from Indiana, and any parent can look at it

1778
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: and say that's how you should go out and do things.

1779
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was great speaking up Perdue. We're going

1780
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: to talk about that next. Hell yeah, little Eddie Grant,

1781
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: let's go. There's an Electric Avenue in India, isn't there?

1782
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm pretty sure there is. When I

1783
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: was in high school, back when I was a less

1784
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: mature individual, I always thought it'd be neat to borrow

1785
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: the street sign from electric Avenue.

1786
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be a lesser when you were a lesser

1787
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 2: mature or less mature? Don't know what I said, right,

1788
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 2: I was at less manure. You're still less mature, but

1789
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 2: you're not. That's why I said lesser mature.

1790
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: Right? Uh? Did you ever Eddie when you were a kid?

1791
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: The answer here I know is is not. But did

1792
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: you ever have a camera?

1793
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 7: Ah?

1794
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a disposable camera? Yeah? Okay, like clicking the

1795
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: big still photos today? And I realized that they don't

1796
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: use film anymore. They're mostly digital. But you know one

1797
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: of the big brands is cannon. Right, yeah, you know

1798
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: it's not a camera but rather a legitimate cannon. I

1799
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: think that Purdue and Illinois are playing for this weekend?

1800
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Yeah?

1801
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 2: And there was a catchings involved as well.

1802
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: It's a little that's right. It's a little tiny by

1803
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: the way, a little tiny cannon that we're playing for, right,

1804
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: widdle cannon. It would be perfect for the hands of

1805
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, right hands joining us now on the program.

1806
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: And I'm sure probably completely confused as to where we're

1807
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: going with all of that. He is the beat writer

1808
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: for Purdue Athletics. He is with the Lafayette Is it Journal,

1809
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Courier or Courier Journal? The first one journal Courier? Right, yes,

1810
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: Journal and Courier technically, but journal and Courier. And I

1811
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: apologize for that, Sam, it's a mental block of mind

1812
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: because Louisville is the opposite, right, yes, I start with

1813
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: an L. Yes, Okay, well it is, am I correct

1814
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: in saying Illinois and Purdue this weekend play for a

1815
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: little cannon, right, that is correct.

1816
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's functions.

1817
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 9: I've never seen it actually fired, but it's very small.

1818
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 9: It looks like something you would put on your bookshelf

1819
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 9: and your and your den at home.

1820
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically a paperweight, is what it is, Eddie. Right,

1821
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Can Jake just say the L J C LJC.

1822
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 9: We call it the Jay and C here, But you know,

1823
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 9: I'll call it whatever they want as long as they

1824
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 9: keep paying me.

1825
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: The l J and C. Right, like with so much

1826
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 1: drama that is written about in the Lafia. Anyway, Okay, Sam,

1827
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: let's begin with this. I personally think and this is

1828
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: an intriguing matchup because I think Illinois is very good.

1829
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: Indiana obviously, you know, exposed them and ran all over them,

1830
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: but uh, they are still a stout opponent. But I

1831
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,839
Speaker 1: think Purdue is better than I know. It sounds ridiculous

1832
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: to say what their record says, but what I like

1833
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: about Barry Odom's team, and I want you to elaborate

1834
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:00,879
Speaker 1: on this. They look like one that maybe is as talented,

1835
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: but plays within themselves and is disciplined. Now, am I

1836
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: going on too small a sample size to say that.

1837
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 9: No, I think that's fair. I mean you're a third

1838
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 9: of the way through the season. Now, I think that's

1839
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 9: a uh, you know, considerable simple side to go on.

1840
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 9: And you're right when you look at the team that

1841
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,799
Speaker 9: Perdue had last year and where some of those players

1842
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 9: transferred to and what they're doing at marquee programs around

1843
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 9: the country, Purdue was a talented team last year and

1844
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 9: went one and eleven and this year, you know, maybe

1845
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 9: not as many high end NFL prospect type players, but definitely,

1846
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 9: you know, a connected team and a team that you know,

1847
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 9: at least offensively, has looked pretty good for the most

1848
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 9: part through four games. But you know, it kind of

1849
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 9: was punching against their punching above its its way the

1850
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 9: last couple of games, and the score indicated as much,

1851
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 9: but not a lot of shame. And you know, and

1852
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 9: having a chance to knock off USC and then end

1853
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 9: up thirty at Notre Dame, you would feel like that

1854
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 9: should have you in the game. And uh, you know,

1855
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 9: that was a case of where the defense kind of

1856
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 9: let Purdue down. But now you get Illinois. That's you know,

1857
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 9: has been the last couple of weeks up and down.

1858
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 9: Made some mistakes against the USC, but wins it at

1859
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 9: the end. I do think Illinois is a better team

1860
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 9: than what it showed against Indiana. That was just a

1861
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,799
Speaker 9: case where it was just a downhill snowball coming and

1862
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 9: there was no stopping it. And I think the Indiana

1863
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 9: realized that was an opportunity to really show the playoff

1864
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 9: committee how.

1865
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 7: Good of a team it is.

1866
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 9: And you know, a school that's not getting in a

1867
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 9: lot of respect for what it's done the last couple

1868
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 9: of years took advantage of what was going on there.

1869
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 9: But yeah, I think this is going to be It

1870
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 9: always is a fight. Whether Purdue's good Illinois is good.

1871
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 9: There's been years where both of them have been bad.

1872
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 9: But it's always a game that seems to go down

1873
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 9: to the wire, and that was the case even a

1874
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 9: year ago where it was fifty to forty nine and overtime.

1875
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 1: I thought, in particular in the USC game, we'll start

1876
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: with that, Sam, that Purdue was effective and at times

1877
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: almost impressive, but they had massive problems in the red zone,

1878
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: and in the Notre Dame they went trickery a couple

1879
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: of times to get creative. And I think in that

1880
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: one probably just overall strength and depth of roster does

1881
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 1: you in a little bit. But in terms of taking

1882
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: care of the football or trying to be more effective

1883
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: in the red zone, Purdue has tried to do what differently.

1884
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 9: Well, I think Perdue did a better job last or

1885
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 9: I guess it's two weeks ago now, but you're right

1886
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 9: that USC game, Perdue got in the red zone three

1887
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:33,520
Speaker 9: times where it came away with zero points three interceptions

1888
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 9: after getting inside the twenty, it's going to be tough

1889
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 9: to beat anybody, let alone an opponent that probably has

1890
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 9: more talent than you, and pretty kind of took care

1891
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 9: of that.

1892
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 7: I think the number one.

1893
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 9: Issue I think in those two weather delayed games that

1894
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 9: they've played as of late has been the other team

1895
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 9: hasn't had to punt. And you're not going to beat

1896
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 9: anybody if you don't have a picture of punt return

1897
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 9: team out on the field.

1898
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, right they You know, it's hard

1899
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: to judge though for me, Sam, that's what I said

1900
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 1: when I said small sample size, because you know, Southern

1901
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Illinois Ball State. No disrespect to those programs, but they're

1902
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 1: not SC and Notre Dame, right. And it's weird because

1903
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:19,879
Speaker 1: with SC you look at that game and it feels

1904
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: like they were in it. I mean, but were they

1905
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, do you think SC

1906
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: ever really thought to themselves that they were in any

1907
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: sort of jeopardy against Purdue.

1908
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was kind of a weird game because the

1909
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 9: weather delay happened in the middle of that game that

1910
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 9: took forever, and I think that just threw off probably

1911
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 9: both teams, but especially the team that traveled across the

1912
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 9: country to get there and thought I was playing a

1913
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 9: day game turned a night game. But yeah, it never

1914
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 9: seemed like Purdue had opportunities where okay, if Purdue scores here,

1915
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 9: it gets it to within one score. But it was

1916
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 9: never to the point where, okay, this is the game

1917
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 9: changing drive where Purdue can take the leader or whatever.

1918
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 9: And unfortunately for Purdue, one of those momentum changing possibilities

1919
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 9: turned into Ryan Brown getting hit.

1920
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 7: As he throw through the ball and a four.

1921
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 9: Hundred pound house taking it off and running seventy yards

1922
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 9: for a touchdown, and that kind of just defleated, deflated everything.

1923
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 9: But yeah, you're right when you look at that and

1924
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 9: he throw three interceptions down after getting in the red

1925
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 9: zone and you lose by sixteen, you walk away from

1926
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 9: a game like that feeling like you know what if.

1927
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 7: But that said, there were also.

1928
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 9: Some plays that work to produce benefits, one of those

1929
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 9: being a double lateral that USC's defense didn't recognize. Was

1930
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 9: a lateral that the quarterback just picks up off the

1931
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 9: ground and waltz is in the end zone from twenty

1932
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 9: six yards or whatever.

1933
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 7: It was.

1934
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: The I like Devin maccabee a lot, Sam Okay, and

1935
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: I think he is a he can be even like

1936
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: a pound you between the tackles back. But they're utilizing

1937
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: him a lot for Ryan Brown out of the backfield.

1938
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: Do they need to find better balance in terms of

1939
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: maybe not getting maccaby in the passing game. He's been

1940
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: very good, but his yards per carry I think has

1941
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,560
Speaker 1: dipped a little bit in terms of the running game itself.

1942
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 1: Do they continue with that versatility for him or do

1943
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: they start using him more as strictly a running back

1944
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: versus receiving back.

1945
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 9: What I think is the case right now is the

1946
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 9: line has not been very good at run blocking, and

1947
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 9: Purdue has masked it well with what it's been able

1948
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 9: to do in the passing game or getting creative at times.

1949
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 9: But you're right, Perdue has to be able to run

1950
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 9: the football to win in this league. And even though

1951
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 9: pretty put up a lot of rushing yards again Southern Illinois,

1952
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 9: it was still a three point nine yards per carry clip,

1953
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 9: which isn't great, especially considering you playing an SCS team

1954
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 9: and should be able to kind of impose your will.

1955
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 9: Devin Mackaby is a proven talent as a running back

1956
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 9: He's picked up a lot of yards, had a lot

1957
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 9: of yards per carry, even for some bad teams the

1958
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 9: last two years. But yeah, that's the one area that's

1959
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 9: most concerning so far that Purdue hasn't shown an ability

1960
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 9: to consistently run the football and move the chains and

1961
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 9: stay ahead of the chains using the ground game when

1962
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 9: you have running back the caliber of Devn Mockaby, is.

1963
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Purdue going to be the best team in the country

1964
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: in college basketball?

1965
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 7: Man?

1966
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 9: I would say if there's a team better, that team's

1967
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 9: got to be mighty impressive, because just seeing a couple

1968
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 9: of practices so far, this is crazy. I think Purdue's

1969
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 9: you know, second unit or you know whoever they deem

1970
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 9: is the second five lineup. That team is probably an

1971
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,719
Speaker 9: NCAA tournament's caliber team alone.

1972
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 7: So when you have that kind.

1973
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 9: Of coming off your bench, that's deep, and that's you know,

1974
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 9: probably even better for practice, you get kind of competitive

1975
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 9: Big ten style games and preparation for a Big ten game.

1976
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Who has most as you have watched them and I've

1977
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 1: watched some practices of Matt Payne or Sam Sam King

1978
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: is our guest from lof Field. We're talking about Purdue.

1979
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: I've watched or practices, especially at the beginning of the year,

1980
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: and it is impressive because it's not like you know,

1981
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: drill sergeant camp type stuff. It's just consistently going through

1982
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: and kind of setting tempo as to who and what

1983
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: they want to be. When you've watched it this year,

1984
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 1: who has jumped out at you, either that you were

1985
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: expecting at this point to see a little more or

1986
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: because you thought to yourself, this guy is going to

1987
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: break into rotation earlier than we thought.

1988
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 9: There's two guys I'm going to give you, and I'm

1989
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 9: not sure how much either of them are going to play,

1990
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 9: which is just maybe a testament to how deep this

1991
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 9: team is. But one is Jack Bnter. He was a

1992
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 9: state champion at Brownstown that as the coach there and

1993
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 9: he redshirted last year, but even last year just as

1994
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,799
Speaker 9: a member of the practice team was having some practices

1995
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 9: where he was lighting up guys that were getting major

1996
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 9: minutes for one of the top teams.

1997
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 7: In the country.

1998
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 9: So he's definitely a talented player and somebody who probably

1999
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 9: alleviate some of the loss of Cam Heidi going to

2000
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 9: Texas because he's versatile enough to you know, he's a

2001
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 9: really good shooter. He can play the three, he can

2002
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 9: play the four and do a lot of different things.

2003
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 9: The other one is Antoine West, who's a true freshman

2004
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 9: and he's looked really, really good in the times that

2005
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 9: we've got to see him. And the problem is he's

2006
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,879
Speaker 9: a guard on a team that has a ton of guards.

2007
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 9: So you know there's going to be really good players

2008
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 9: that maybe play five minutes, maybe you know, come in

2009
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 9: and spell a guy for a couple of minutes, and

2010
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 9: you have to make the most of those opportunities. But

2011
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 9: it's probably not going to be great for your overall

2012
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 9: stat line at the end of the season.

2013
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 7: But still, if.

2014
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 9: Everybody can buy into maybe whatever role they have, even

2015
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 9: how small it might be, this team should be able

2016
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 9: to win the whole thing, I would think.

2017
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 7: But that's a long way to go.

2018
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 9: And as Trey Coffman Gren told me last week, you know,

2019
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 9: we may be the number one team in the country,

2020
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 9: but we haven't played anybody yet.

2021
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 7: So he called it he kind.

2022
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 9: Of I can get to participation trophies and told me

2023
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 9: how much his grandfather hates participation trophies and that they're

2024
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 9: getting all these awards and accolades for things that haven't

2025
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 9: even happened.

2026
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Yet where did things stand in terms of you know,

2027
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: because there was so much praise and expectation a year ago.

2028
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Sam, whenever you know Zach Edy was such

2029
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 1: a great player, right, and then when he leaves, automatically

2030
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: your people are saying, who's the next Zakchety? You know

2031
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: who is it? Jacobson has the injury and then has

2032
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 1: to sit out the year. Where do things stand in

2033
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:30,879
Speaker 1: terms of the center position.

2034
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 9: Well, there's Jacobson is bad, healthy, has put on some weights.

2035
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 7: It still looks like he's stanned.

2036
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 9: But I think just being seven foot four and nineteen

2037
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 9: years old or whatever, that's probably natural. And between he

2038
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 9: and Oscar Cluff, you kind of get all of what

2039
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 9: Purdue needed last year out of that position Without Zach Edy.

2040
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 9: Oscar Kluff was one of the best rebounding big men

2041
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 9: in the country a year ago. Granted it was at

2042
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 9: South Dakota State, so the caliber competition will be much different,

2043
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 9: but it seems to be a skill that has translated.

2044
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 9: And Jacobsen is the rim protection you didn't have last year,

2045
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 9: being seven foot four, being a shot blocker. Both of

2046
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 9: those guys also can come away from the basket and shoot,

2047
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 9: which is something we saw in the NBA last year.

2048
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 9: Zachiet he is capable of, but it would have been

2049
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,839
Speaker 9: coaching malpractice if Matt Painter did that with him at Purdue.

2050
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 9: So he just parked in the paint and had field

2051
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 9: days at the rim. But I believe between those two guys,

2052
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 9: you moved Trey Coppan rent to the four, you open

2053
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 9: up a whole new world of possibilities with what Purdue

2054
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,560
Speaker 9: is capable of. Because Trey Kaupman Wren was so effective

2055
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 9: at being the five last year offensively that he's got

2056
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 9: a lot of different skill sets there and he kind

2057
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 9: of acquired this little mini hook that he took advantage

2058
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 9: of last year and now produce doing some things out

2059
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 9: of that where it looks like Trey Coppan Wren's going

2060
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 9: to take the shot and he just kind of loves

2061
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 9: it over the top of the defender, and you know,

2062
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 9: you don't have to get it too high for a

2063
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 9: seven foot four guy to go up and dunk it.

2064
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 9: So there's some little wrinkles that or who's adding in there,

2065
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 9: And I think this is going to be a really

2066
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 9: tough team to defend, and when teams adjust, I think

2067
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 9: Purdue has kind of the CounterPunch to it.

2068
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 1: Lastly, Sam, I want to know what it is about.

2069
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: And look, I know they lost you know, Miles Covi

2070
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 1: And I know they lost Cam Heidi. I get it.

2071
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: But take a Trey Kaufman Wrenn. You know, here's a

2072
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: guy that comes in. He's in the same class as

2073
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 1: Caleb first, he red Shirts, he sees first getting minutes

2074
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: right away, he waits his turn, He's got Edie there,

2075
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: He's kind of got to play like alongside but also

2076
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: behind him, et cetera. And it just seems like with Purdue,

2077
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, Brayden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer would be prime

2078
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 1: examples of this as well. This is a program that

2079
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 1: has guys that could probably cash in literally and figuratively

2080
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: by going elsewhere, but they seem to kind of what

2081
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: I like what I was just talking about with the Fever,

2082
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: buy into this team concept. What is it about that

2083
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: program that in fact makes it different?

2084
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 9: Well, I think the number one thing is Matt Painter,

2085
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 9: and he is brutally honest sometimes and some players don't

2086
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 9: want to hear that. They want to be told they're

2087
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 9: great and everything else, but other people respond well to

2088
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 9: that and he never promised these guys anything. He never

2089
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 9: promised Fresh Fletcher, Lawyer, Braden Smith they were going to

2090
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 9: come in and be starters right away.

2091
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 7: But he said, if you come in and.

2092
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 9: Outwork the guys who were possibly going to start, you

2093
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 9: will get the job over them, and that that was

2094
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:27,719
Speaker 9: the case.

2095
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 7: And then the thing that probably has helped is the success.

2096
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 9: And guys want to play for a team that has

2097
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 9: a chance to win a national championship and for the

2098
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 9: last you know, three years anyway, Produce felt like it

2099
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 9: was a team that could possibly be in that mix,

2100
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 9: and certainly this season, so that helps. Trey Coplin Wren

2101
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 9: was one of those guys, like you said, he red shirted,

2102
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 9: but he bought in right away that if I wait

2103
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 9: my turn and keep getting better, by the end of

2104
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,879
Speaker 9: my career, I'm going to be, you know, an All American,

2105
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 9: All Big ten type player, and that's certainly been the case.

2106
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 9: So I think it, you know, in a lot of ways,

2107
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 9: it was probably easy to buy into the program and

2108
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,759
Speaker 9: the culture because there's kind of proof in the putting

2109
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 9: that what Matt Painter and his staff is doing works.

2110
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: Jconline dot Com, where you can read all of the

2111
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: work regarding Purdue from Sam King from the Lafayette Journal

2112
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: and Courier. Sam, appreciate the time as always, Man, we'll

2113
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: talk to you soon.

2114
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 7: Absolutely, thanks for having me on.

2115
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: Sam King talking Purdue with us. It is fascinating. I mean,

2116
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: just you just keep waiting for and you know, it's

2117
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: like any other team or teams where you go back

2118
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 1: and you look at a group of players and you say, man,

2119
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: in the moment, I thought like there was no way

2120
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: it could get better than that, And then the next

2121
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 1: one comes along, and then the next one, and you

2122
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: just keep getting a little bit better, a little bit better,

2123
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit better, and it is impressive, no question,

2124
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: it's impressive what they've been able to do. You know.

2125
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:54,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this last night, also, speaking of

2126
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: teams where you look back and you think, I didn't

2127
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 1: think it could get any better, you know, from a

2128
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: red standpoint, I look at past playoff performances and I

2129
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 1: think I didn't think could get any worse. You know.

2130
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I remember, well, Eddie.

2131
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 2: You got the Johnny Quaito incident, Holliday throw on.

2132
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean that the big one was getting no hit.

2133
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I went, you lose back to back games

2134
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 2: to the braze without scoring a run.

2135
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what a dork I am. There's

2136
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 1: a guy named Jason Berkman that used to be the

2137
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 1: PR media relations director for the Indianapolis Ice later the

2138
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Indiana Ice. Lance Berkman, good dude.

2139
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

2140
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Lance Berkman was a heck of a player for the Astros, right,

2141
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 1: he was different spelling b u r k. So Jason

2142
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: Berkman Burkie as we called him, one day said let's

2143
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 1: get a bunch of the media guys, and courtesy of

2144
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Ice, will take you all down to a

2145
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 1: Reds game. So I think Hagen went Rakestraw went I

2146
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 1: don't remember if John was there or not. This might

2147
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 1: have been before. I mean, this was had to be

2148
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. So we all head down to Cincinnati

2149
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: and it was literally the hottest day of the year.

2150
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean it had to be one hundred degrees. So

2151
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: we're out there in the outfield and I'm like, hey,

2152
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk around for a minute and you know,

2153
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 1: get souvenirs whatever. I go in the gift shop and

2154
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 1: maybe it was because it was the hottest day of

2155
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:27,839
Speaker 1: the year, but they were selling They had fifty percent

2156
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: off the like a letter jacket, kind of like the

2157
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 1: manager's coat, but like the a letter jacket with the

2158
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Red's logo on it, like the felt and the leather sleeves.

2159
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean, a good looking jacket. So I buy it,

2160
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 1: and I carry this thing around with me for like

2161
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:48,759
Speaker 1: six innings while it's literally I mean, I'm sweating gravy

2162
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 1: and I'm carrying this coat with me. This coach's been

2163
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: in my closet. I don't wear it often. This time

2164
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: of year's perfect for it. But the Reds make What

2165
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: year was at Eddie when the Reds made the postseason

2166
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: and took on the Phillies. Oh, I can't remember the

2167
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: exact year, fourteen, twelve somewhere in there. I'm gonna guess twelve.

2168
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2169
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: So I'm all pumped up. I've got my jacket. I

2170
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: said to Shane. I'm like, we're going out. We're watching

2171
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 1: the Reds are in the postseason. Baby, let's go. I

2172
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: put my coat on. I put on my seventy five

2173
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: authentic Reds hat, not the with the with the seed

2174
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the black bordering around it, but the

2175
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: legitimate mid seventies big Red Machine era hat. And we

2176
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 1: went to Rusty Bucket up at eighty six and Ditch

2177
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,680
Speaker 1: we sit down and I'm dressed like I'm at a

2178
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 1: pep rally. Twenty ten, twenty ten, it's been that long ago.

2179
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 2: Twenty twelve was the year that they win the first

2180
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 2: three games against the Giants, and don't remind me, three straight.

2181
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was brutal. So twenty ten, I'm sitting there

2182
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: and I've got on my hat and I've got on

2183
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 1: my coat and We're sitting in Rusty Bucket and I'm like, no,

2184
01:53:57,800 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a hit. I mean, at the very

2185
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: least going to get a hit. Nada blanked, blanked, right,

2186
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 1: no hit in the postseason. Yeah. Then I come back

2187
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years later and we went out to

2188
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: haunted houses. I get in the car just in time

2189
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 1: to start listening to the game on the way home. Gosh,

2190
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: Marty was the best, and this one belongs to the

2191
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:29,560
Speaker 1: Reds up one nothing to nothing. I'm talking in games,

2192
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 1: and then it happens. Everything starts sliding out from underneath

2193
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 1: them against the Giants. And I'm doing the show with

2194
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 1: Derek in the middle of the afternoon and I'm looking

2195
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: up and you can just see it you can see

2196
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: the onslaught coming of the comeback and the Giants come

2197
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 1: back and beat him.

2198
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 2: And I still have nightmares about Buster Posey.

2199
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally right. I mean, and I go back, you know,

2200
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember, like I said, if you want

2201
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: to go way back, way back, I remember that, you know,

2202
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 1: the the lack of grasp because I was such a

2203
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 1: little kid of when the seventy nine We Are Family

2204
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Pirates knocked him out and that was the beginning of

2205
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 1: the end of that era of Red's players in seventy nine,

2206
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: and then thinking like, oh, it's okay. You know, eventually

2207
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: Danny Dreesen and Eddie Milner and Gary Ritis and Paul

2208
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Householder and Rod Oster, those guys are going to be

2209
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: the that's there's your future. But you know, one of

2210
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 1: the things, Eddie, that I've always felt about baseball. I

2211
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: just had a conversation with Eric Ritchie about this when

2212
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: we were talking about the Reds. One of the things

2213
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: about baseball that I think gets and you know more

2214
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 1: about baseball than I. You follow it much more closely

2215
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 1: than I. But I've always felt like the thing that

2216
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: separates sometimes a mid pack team to a playoff team.

2217
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: You know, most teams in Major League Baseball can go

2218
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 1: out and put together an eighty five win you know,

2219
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 1: an eighty to eighty five win team, yep. But the

2220
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: thing that separates and yes, you have your teams that

2221
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: you know are unbelievable that can win one hundred, five

2222
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: hundred and ten games. You get two or three ace pitchers,

2223
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: et cetera. But to me, in order to go from

2224
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 1: if you are the Cincinnati Reds or you're the Kansas

2225
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 1: City Royals, or you're the Arizona Diamondbacks, you know, just

2226
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: a middle tier team. The thing that separates teams into

2227
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 1: special seasons. Everybody wants to focus on the you know,

2228
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 1: de la Cruz or the the Bryce Harpers, but what

2229
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 1: really separates teams is when you have guys and you

2230
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 1: usually need two to four of them in the same

2231
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: year to have this happen. Guys that are career two

2232
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: sixty five hitters that all of a sudden hit have

2233
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 1: a season where they hit two ninety. And guys that

2234
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 1: are a career eleven home runs per year guy and

2235
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 1: now they have a year where their bat in two

2236
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 1: ninety with twenty home runs. And if you get two

2237
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: to four of those guys to have that happen concurrently,

2238
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: that's what lifts you you know, the the ninety Reds.

2239
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:17,120
Speaker 1: As great as Eric Davis was and he was unbelievable,

2240
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: and as great as Paul O'Neil was, and he was

2241
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 1: a fabulous player. It was a career year of Chris Sabo,

2242
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 1: but more so like Mariano Duncan. You know, guys like

2243
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: that that all that concurrently have career years and that's

2244
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 1: what lifts a team from being third or fourth in

2245
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: their division to all of a sudden. You know, Craig

2246
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: Pauquette and Carlos Hernandez are having miracle years together and

2247
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, the Cardinals are in the postseason.

2248
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that you have to

2249
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: cash in on if you will. But there is a

2250
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 1: feeling with this particular Reds group, even though it's awesome

2251
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 1: they're in the postseason, doesn't it feel like just making

2252
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 1: the postseason was kind of the ceiling?

2253
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 5: Oh?

2254
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 2: Yes, making the postseason was a bit shocking for me. Jacson, Well, yeah,

2255
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean they backed into it, right, Yeah, I mean

2256
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 2: they backed into it, but they won enough games late

2257
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 2: to be in that conversation and the Mets just ultimately

2258
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 2: collapsed and yeah, now they're down one love to the Dodgers.

2259
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 4: You know, the.

2260
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 2: It's not even fair like the Dodgers are rolling out

2261
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 2: three dudes that are aces for almost any other team.

2262
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:38,200
Speaker 2: They got Tyler Glasnow who's another ace that's just chilling in.

2263
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: The bullpen, and it's like, come on, but you know,

2264
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: their middle relief has struggled the Dodgers.

2265
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're closers. Yeah, end of the games have been awful.

2266
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 2: You know, the same is true for the Yankees. Like

2267
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 2: you look at the Yankees yesterday.

2268
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 1: They were leading Boston for the vast majority of that game,

2269
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: and then Boston eventually broke through and got it to

2270
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: the bullpen, and then suddenly the Red Sox, you know

2271
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: in boom the Red Sox.

2272
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 2: Yank, he's had a chance. Bases loaded, bottom of the

2273
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 2: ninth didn't score. A first team in MLB history in

2274
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 2: the playoffs, did not do that, to.

2275
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Not score when you start out with bases.

2276
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 2: Loaded, no out's in the bottom of the didn't again.

2277
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Right now, by the way, bottom four Guardians Tigers tied

2278
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 1: at the game apiece. There's nothing like daytime playoff baseball,

2279
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 1: right It's just the best you mean tied at one?

2280
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 1: What I say a game apiece? Sorry? Yeah, one one one, yes,

2281
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 1: And in that series, Detroit leads one game. Now, who

2282
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: are you rooting for in that series?

2283
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 9: Uh?

2284
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter to me. I like both those teams.

2285
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 1: All right? Who are you rooting for? Let me give

2286
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 1: you the Who are you rooting for? In the Boston

2287
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: New York series? Boston? Obviously you're rooting for the Reds Padres? Cubs?

2288
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Who you're rooting for? Padres?

2289
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 4: Why?

2290
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I cannot stand Cups fans? Really? What you got against

2291
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:58,720
Speaker 1: Cubs fans? They're awful?

2292
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 7: Is it cool?

2293
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Have you? Here's what I've always said about Cubs fans,

2294
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 1: and it's not a popular opinion. I truly believe it,

2295
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: though said at the time, I'm going to repeat it again.

2296
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 2: They're obnoxious, That's what That's mainly the big thing.

2297
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 1: When the Cubs. Okay, Eddie, you have never you have

2298
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: made my proclamation that was the most hated that I've

2299
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 1: ever made on radio, and you just justified it right there.

2300
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 1: It is a We're going on almost ten years ago

2301
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 1: that I said it, and the pitchforks came out, and

2302
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: the emails came and the letters came, and the text

2303
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:46,000
Speaker 1: messages came, and the tweets came. But at the time

2304
02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I said, I'm right. I know I'm right, and what

2305
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 1: you just said right there proved me correct. I'll recap

2306
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 1: it and get your critique of my proclamation that now

2307
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 1: a decade later, Eddie Garrison has finally verify. I'll do

2308
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 1: it next. Okay, So back in twenty sixteen, the Cubs

2309
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 1: were knocking on the door, and my parents are diehard

2310
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:21,440
Speaker 1: Cubs fans. As a matter of fact, my dad is

2311
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 1: in the steel business and grew up in Indianapolis. Both

2312
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 1: of my parents did, and my dad worked at matter

2313
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 1: of fact, whereas now Sullivan Hardware at seventy first in Keystone,

2314
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:42,120
Speaker 1: that was Jordan Pharmacy. Joe Jordan was the pharmacist. Joe

2315
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 1: Jordan was the pharmacist that wrote the Indianapolis five hundred song.

2316
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:53,080
Speaker 1: The five hundred, The five hundred, the greatest event of

2317
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 1: that song was written in a contest by Joe Jordan,

2318
02:01:56,320 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 1: who my dad worked for at the time, and so

2319
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,680
Speaker 1: my dad was working through high school as a soda jerk.

2320
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 1: I always feel bad about saying that soda bartender sounds weird,

2321
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: though and that's when he met my mom, and then

2322
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,400
Speaker 1: ultimately they got married and my dad got into the

2323
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:20,000
Speaker 1: steel business and got a job with a steel company

2324
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 1: out of Chicago actually the region, but they lived on

2325
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 1: the South side of Chicago. Heck. Yeah, as a matter

2326
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: of fact, it's interesting that and I've told the story

2327
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: once on Beyond the Bricks. Joe Jordan invited my dad,

2328
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 1: because my dad was a really big you know, loved music,

2329
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:47,480
Speaker 1: invited my dad to the the record release of that song,

2330
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 1: and my dad kept declining, and then finally Joe Jordan

2331
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 1: as my dad's boss, and my dad was a high

2332
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 1: school kid, but my dad didn't have a lot of money,

2333
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: and Joe Jordan showed up with a suit for my

2334
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 1: dad and said, I realized, the reason you don't want

2335
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 1: to come to the event is because you don't have

2336
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:07,400
Speaker 1: a suit. So my dad's always said that the very

2337
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 1: first suit he ever got was because of the five

2338
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: hundred song, which I just always thought was cool because

2339
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 1: of what the five hundred means to me. But at

2340
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 1: any rate, when my parents lived in Chicago, my mom

2341
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:20,160
Speaker 1: was a young mother and the Cubs of course daytime baseball,

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Speaker 1: and that was the summer of sixty nine when the

2343
02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:25,360
Speaker 1: amazing Mets came roaring back and took it from the Cubs.

2344
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 1: My parents have been die hard Cubs fans ever since,

2345
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 1: ever since, and I grew up a Reds fan. But

2346
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 1: the one thing about the Cubs. You know, when I

2347
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 1: was a little kid and my parents would tell me

2348
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:38,640
Speaker 1: about the Cubs, and my dad's are the Cubs the

2349
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 1: lovable losers? You know, the Norman Rockwell painting of the

2350
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: Lovable Losers and all of those things, right, And with

2351
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:49,480
Speaker 1: all of that, I kept saying in the summer of

2352
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and in particular in the fall of twenty sixteen,

2353
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,800
Speaker 1: as the Cubs were getting closer and closer, I said

2354
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 1: on the radio Eddie, and people went crazy towards me,

2355
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 1: and I said, be careful because while I know it

2356
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 1: would be unbelievable, if the Cubs are to actually win

2357
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,040
Speaker 1: the World Series, it would be amazing, don't get me wrong,

2358
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 1: But be careful what you wish for, because if they

2359
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:18,400
Speaker 1: are to win the World Series, they lose their identity.

2360
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,920
Speaker 1: And if they win the World Series, they then go

2361
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:26,680
Speaker 1: from being the fan base that no one could ever

2362
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:30,960
Speaker 1: possibly think to say anything negative about, because they were

2363
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 1: the lovable losers. And then but I was like, but

2364
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,760
Speaker 1: as soon as you win a World Series, then you

2365
02:04:36,920 --> 02:04:40,840
Speaker 1: automatically just become another obnoxious fan base. And there is

2366
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 1: a magic about Wrigley, no question about it. Although I

2367
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,560
Speaker 1: wish they put the Torquo billboard back up in right field.

2368
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:48,400
Speaker 1: But there's a magic about Wrigley in daytime baseball, and

2369
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 1: the rooftops and all of it, and you know urinal

2370
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 1: troughs and you know all of it, right, there's a

2371
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,640
Speaker 1: magic about it, no question. And the neighborhood itself. When

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02:04:57,680 --> 02:04:59,000
Speaker 1: you go up to a game up there, and you

2373
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 1: think to yourself, like every when you go to a

2374
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 1: Cubs game and you're around Wrigley Field, you automatically feel

2375
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,560
Speaker 1: like a kid because it feels like because it's daytime baseball,

2376
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 1: and you feel like you're skipping school or whatever. I mean,

2377
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 1: there is a magic and a mystique about it, and

2378
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. But now that they've won it, their

2379
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:22,200
Speaker 1: fan base, Eddie, you just said it, they're obnoxious.

2380
02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean they were obnoxious before they won, but but you.

2381
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 1: Let them get away with it because they never had

2382
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:27,560
Speaker 1: anything to cheer about, right.

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02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 2: It was like, Yeah, it was like yeah, you guys

2384
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:31,520
Speaker 2: can keep cheering all you want. You just you've never

2385
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 2: won anything. Come on, talk when you've won.

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02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:39,480
Speaker 1: But they're pretty good, right, they're okay, They're more than okay,

2387
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 1: they're pretty good. They're okay. Yeah, if you went to

2388
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 1: handicap right now, putting your heart aside, logistics like legitimately

2389
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 1: in your mind the favorites now for the World Series

2390
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:52,960
Speaker 1: or who?

2391
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:57,840
Speaker 2: I still think it's the Dodgers. Hard argue that track

2392
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:02,120
Speaker 2: record of the recent you know, last three to five

2393
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:05,720
Speaker 2: postseasons would say that you know a team that like

2394
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:07,960
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, they have a lot of great talent, and

2395
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:10,720
Speaker 2: you don't have to the week off or the extended

2396
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:13,920
Speaker 2: time off from the wildcards of the divisional series. You're

2397
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:15,560
Speaker 2: not waiting on to figure out who you're playing. You're

2398
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 2: able to just go out there kind of playing pick

2399
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 2: up right where you left off and start gaming number

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02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 2: one of the next series. Has always been an advantage

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02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 2: of my opinion, versus like Milwaukee or Philly. Now, who

2402
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:29,520
Speaker 2: gets some time off? I will say it's pretty close

2403
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 2: with Philly.

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02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 1: Though Milwaukee is interesting. I agree on.

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02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:33,920
Speaker 2: Philm I just think this could be the year where

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02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 2: they finally get back out.

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02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 1: Of the I can't disagree with that. Milwaukee's interesting to

2408
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 1: me because they've been probably the most consistently good team,

2409
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean the whole year

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02:06:46,040 --> 02:06:49,320
Speaker 1: that they've been very, very good, and yet there's nothing

2411
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: about them that really jumps out at you. Right.

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02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:54,760
Speaker 2: They are just a fundamentally sound team. They timely hit,

2413
02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: They've got good pitching, They play really really good defense.

2414
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 2: They don't shoot themselves in the foot by committing a

2415
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 2: lot of errors. They make spectacular plays defensively. They they

2416
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,440
Speaker 2: run the bases the right way, they take the extra

2417
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 2: base when they can, like they do everything that you

2418
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 2: have to do. When you're a team like Milwaukee, you

2419
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of you don't have a lot

2420
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 2: of players that you have on a high pay roll.

2421
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 1: And baseball postseason is crazy, though you just never know.

2422
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 2: Like the Red Sox could be an under under the

2423
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:24,120
Speaker 2: radar pick.

2424
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,120
Speaker 1: How about the Blue Jays.

2425
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 2: I still got questions they're pitching. To me, it's worrisome

2426
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 2: specifically starting pitching. They have Shane Bieber, but outside of that,

2427
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:39,160
Speaker 2: they they have a lot to be desired.

2428
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 1: And he went straight straight Tim Kirchen there with me,

2429
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, the funny thing about the Blue Jays and

2430
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:46,400
Speaker 1: games in which the left handed starter is playing on

2431
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 1: a Tuesday after four thirty their bp I launch angle.

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Speaker 1: Is he on the road today? He is here? He's

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Speaker 1: on the road the rest of the week, though, J

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Speaker 1: and V is here. We will do the crossover brought

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Speaker 1: I think it's the first day of school, Isn't that

2439
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,240
Speaker 1: What'll be determined? When is this played in fast times?

2440
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 1: The words not high we got the beat is the

2441
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 1: opening of the movie, and then the first day of school?

2442
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:21,600
Speaker 1: I think is Brad drives in is when this plays

2443
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 1: right raised on the radio? Is played when he is

2444
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 1: washing his car. Yeah, up, it's the first day of school. Okay,

2445
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:33,160
Speaker 1: that's when you got the TP's going and somebody is like,

2446
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:35,840
Speaker 1: you know what I don't feel comfortable saying on the radio,

2447
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:38,800
Speaker 1: And well, someone is the four letter word.

2448
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 2: Huh, it's a four letter word. You got rat trying

2449
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,480
Speaker 2: to drink water and it's spewing all over.

2450
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:50,680
Speaker 1: His correct jacket. Somebody else is no, Oh yeah, it's

2451
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:53,960
Speaker 1: is it Arnold Arnold has the government is locker? Right?

2452
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 1: I think so?

2453
02:08:56,240 --> 02:09:00,480
Speaker 2: No, it's Rat Rat has the Government's locked. Yeah, okay,

2454
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 2: and then you got I forget who was who wants

2455
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 2: to work at All American Burger. He'll have to talk

2456
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 2: to Damel Taylor.

2457
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,880
Speaker 1: That's Arnold. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was the.

2458
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,560
Speaker 2: One trying to get his I think it was his

2459
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:12,920
Speaker 2: band instrument in the locker.

2460
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:16,560
Speaker 1: That's right, Arnold Arnold trying to get his French horn

2461
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 1: into the locker. Yeah, he works at Bronco Burger. Yeah,

2462
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 1: but on the first day of school, that's when he

2463
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 1: walks up to talk to about Arnold, you want to

2464
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:25,320
Speaker 1: work at All American Burger and then.

2465
02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 2: Runs then runs into a dorc is checking out the

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02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 2: bosom of some girl. Hold on, first off, I'd like

2467
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:34,840
Speaker 2: to point out that's the first time since nineteen fifty

2468
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 2: two that buzzom has been said, I was this radio

2469
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:40,600
Speaker 2: show totally in the zone for this radio station.

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02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean, really, you could have just said he was

2471
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:46,560
Speaker 1: checking out a check right, he walks right into the door.

2472
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:49,200
Speaker 1: Arnold is the most underrated character in the movie Fast

2473
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: Time High Right. Yeah, and and how about this Eddie.

2474
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:57,240
Speaker 1: When they're waiting in line, you've.

2475
02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:59,840
Speaker 2: Got Brad rolling in in his car and checking out everything.

2476
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:03,440
Speaker 1: Of course, so when and when they're waiting in line

2477
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 1: to presume it, we get their schedules. And that is

2478
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:11,480
Speaker 1: when Arnold comes up and approaches Brad Hamilton to see

2479
02:10:11,480 --> 02:10:13,160
Speaker 1: if he can get him in an All American Burger?

2480
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:17,040
Speaker 1: Who is the other Who is the other person that's

2481
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 1: standing in line that has no in the regular movie,

2482
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:23,120
Speaker 1: has no speaking role, but I believe in the TV

2483
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:24,920
Speaker 1: version has a line.

2484
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, but can you name the song of

2485
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:30,040
Speaker 2: Phoebe Kate's Coming out of the Pool?

2486
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:30,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

2487
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, that's like asking if I didn't know

2488
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 1: there was a song. It's like asking if you can

2489
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: name the Chicago Bowl in nineteen ninety eight. That was

2490
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 1: the MVP moving in stereo, of course, But honestly, do

2491
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:52,280
Speaker 1: you know the other actor in Fast Times that's standing

2492
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 1: He has no speaking line, but he is and he

2493
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:58,480
Speaker 1: also works at All American Burger. He's in the back,

2494
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's where he has a speaking line

2495
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 1: in this is it Nicholas Cage? Yes, I remember this.

2496
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage is in there. It really was an Oscar snub, right,

2497
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 1: I would agree, Yeah, that's good one. I just watched

2498
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,920
Speaker 1: it last night Fast Time's George Went High. And one

2499
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 1: of the things I noticed at the end of the movie,

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02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 1: when Hamilton's working at the Mighty Mart and the guy.

2501
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:24,200
Speaker 2: Comes thing that we discussed to Rob, it's we've discussed

2502
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 2: this off there, haven't we.

2503
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I've shared this with you? Okay? The

2504
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:30,400
Speaker 1: guy comes in, you know, and he says, the safe

2505
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 1: behind the done. It's when I'm now now, you know,

2506
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 1: and you know whoa and behind him is a magazine rack.

2507
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: And I got curious because the one magazine that you

2508
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:43,960
Speaker 1: could make out is Time Magazine and it has At

2509
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 1: first I thought it was Momar Kadafi, but it's Manuel

2510
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 1: nor Jega on the cover. So I looked it up

2511
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: and it's from December of nineteen eighty one. So I

2512
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,520
Speaker 1: don't know if that means that they filmed it when

2513
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 1: that maga, Like if they literally just rented out of

2514
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,120
Speaker 1: Mighty Mart and filmed it and that happened to be

2515
02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 1: the current magazine, or if they sent somebody out and

2516
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:02,320
Speaker 1: then five months later, you know what I mean, they

2517
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 1: were filming it, because I think it was filmed in

2518
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 1: either late eighty one or early eighty two. But I've

2519
02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 1: gone through, as you know, Eddie, when I've been in

2520
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:13,680
Speaker 1: La I've gone and found like as many of the

2521
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:17,600
Speaker 1: legendary filming locations as possible. And unfortunately that Mighty mart

2522
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:20,240
Speaker 1: where Hamilton worked has been torn down and is now

2523
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:21,320
Speaker 1: like a department store.

2524
02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't you uh FaceTime me from the point the

2525
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:27,040
Speaker 2: point I did?

2526
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:32,120
Speaker 1: I did. It's just like some It's the in Sino

2527
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:37,600
Speaker 1: California Little League fields today, Eddie. Now that the season

2528
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:41,680
Speaker 1: is complete, yep, after a year of being the pre

2529
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:45,480
Speaker 1: and postgame host of the Indiana Fever broadcasts and again

2530
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 1: Fever conducting exit interviews, I believe tomorrow Tomorrow morning, yep.

2531
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,680
Speaker 1: And then we're hoping to have Stephanie White on Friday.

2532
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:57,040
Speaker 1: But it's going to be an interesting offseason for everybody really,

2533
02:12:57,040 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 1: but the WNBA in general, just because the Fever only

2534
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:01,760
Speaker 1: have what two players under contract, maybe three, I.

2535
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,640
Speaker 2: Don't know the exact two, three, maybe four. I don't

2536
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:07,560
Speaker 2: know what the status of Lexi Hole and Mikaela Timpson is.

2537
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 2: But yes, much like the rest of the league, the

2538
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:13,400
Speaker 2: Fever don't have a lot of players underneath contract to

2539
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 2: two that are Caitlyn Clarkey and the Leah Boston. How

2540
02:13:17,560 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 2: many of the players that were on the rosters in

2541
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 2: the year would you like to see back on the roster?

2542
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:24,560
Speaker 2: I would say it if Lexi is a free agent,

2543
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:26,120
Speaker 2: you would like to see a Lexi hole back. Sophia

2544
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 2: cunning Him back. I mean, okay, I think at this point,

2545
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean Kelsey Mitchell clearly, right yep, Sophie cunning Him

2546
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 2: I think is is I hate to say expendable, but

2547
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 2: I think you can somewhat get away.

2548
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 1: But I disagree.

2549
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,400
Speaker 2: I mean, gotta remember she was starting over Lexi hig

2550
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:49,160
Speaker 2: her injury.

2551
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:53,120
Speaker 1: I thought Odyssey Simms last night was outstanding, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I know, but I mean that's one that from

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Speaker 1: a depth piece, I think you'd like to have if

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Speaker 1: you could. Natasha Howard and obviously Aliah Boston.

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Speaker 2: Alia is already back, she's underneath contract, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, they had so many players

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Speaker 1: that had to come in and fill in and then

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Speaker 1: played well, and you know you'd be happy with about

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Speaker 1: any of them, to be honest with you, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'll be curious to see what they do

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Speaker 1: do there just because in the WNBA in general is

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Speaker 1: just kind of at this crossroad after yesterday with the

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Speaker 1: comments about the commissioner, and you know, and now you're

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Speaker 1: going into collective bargaining agreement and the number of players

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Speaker 1: that are going to be available league wide. Are there

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Speaker 1: areas where you can upgrade? You know?

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Speaker 2: Did you see the report by the Sports Business Journal

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Speaker 2: last night? It was I think it was right at

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Speaker 2: the start of the game, or it's got a little

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Speaker 2: bit into it that Kathy Engelbert the w ME commission

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Speaker 2: is going to be stepping down after CBA negotiations.

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Speaker 1: I mean, based on yesterday, one would assume that's almost

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Speaker 1: a certainty. But why after I would imagine because of

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Speaker 1: the the new collective bargaining and everything that goes into it,

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Speaker 1: that you want the continuity that would only muddy those

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Speaker 1: negotiations and everything going into it. I think you get

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Speaker 1: it done and then you move along. That would be

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Speaker 1: my guess. But JB has arrived. John is loading up.

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Speaker 1: Looks like the text groove, big chill.

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Speaker 5: Proove, it's all right, yeah, it's all right, yeah. I

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Speaker 5: mean it's just just like email and just like.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm sorry, big show lined up by s

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Speaker 1: oh Big Show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kirk Morrison, who's on the Raiders Radio network, the

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Speaker 5: former NFL defensive player, get to join. What else we

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Speaker 5: all Lance McCallister after the Reds through VP last night

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Speaker 5: at Chavez Ravine. We'll talk about that in game number

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Speaker 5: two coming up later on tonight. So it really is

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Speaker 5: being a Rens fan, and I'm so accustomed to this.

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Speaker 5: It's like being an Indiana State fan in basketball, because

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Speaker 5: you're going to have, you know, one really surprising, eye

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Speaker 5: popping fun season out of about every ten because of

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Speaker 5: the way things are bad or the lack of balance.

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Speaker 1: So well, I come by it. Honestly, I had to

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Speaker 1: not you know, not had to snicker. That's the wrong

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Speaker 1: way of saying it. But I did chuckle to myself

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Speaker 1: when I literally was I turned it on, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: mid second inning or something like that. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: heard you saying, like tonight hundred Green like ten strikeouts

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Speaker 1: run and I'm like.

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Speaker 5: Fourth pitch, he gives up a home run, And then

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Speaker 5: yeah he was.

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, you can't look in terms of

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Speaker 1: giving them, you know, giving one up to Otadi. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's not a unique fastball hitting team.

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Speaker 5: He's a fastball pitcher, and they don't have any as

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Speaker 5: you saw, any difficulty catching up with any of that crap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was frustrating for certain but that's

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Speaker 1: why they're serious. And you played more than one. But

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Speaker 1: the fever last night was fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Now is there any other league out there to

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Speaker 5: where you can go from sitting on the couch to

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Speaker 5: a championship level in a matter of monsters? I'm telling you,

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Speaker 5: it's like honesty, Sims's tumble. That's the only thing I

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Speaker 5: mean that's great last night? Does that go to s

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Speaker 5: told you that they could they can absorb different franchises

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Speaker 5: because there are still players out there they could play

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Speaker 5: at that level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. In fact that it's just not

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It is so nuanced in

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Speaker 1: the fact that you only have that half the franchises

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Speaker 1: that other teams do that you know, think about it.

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Speaker 1: They contracted seventeen franchises in the NBA, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Then all of a sudden, the TJ. McConnell's available,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe not McConnell.

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Speaker 5: You remember the franchises that were contracted. Oh boy, great shock.

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Speaker 5: Oh well then they become told became Tulsa. Did Miami

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Speaker 5: have one called the Soul or something like that.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Soul. I mean there have there have been

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Speaker 1: a couple that have left and come back, right, I

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Speaker 1: think so.

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Speaker 2: Did Cincinnati have a team never getting one back?

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Speaker 1: I don't think Cincinnati did that. Seattle still does, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Seattle storm. But Dallas did not have a team.

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Speaker 2: Had a team lost it got it back?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: What about Sacramento? They had a team? Do they still? No?

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Speaker 5: The Monarchs, the Monarchs, Yeah that's one. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 5: Sacramento Monarchs. Is that not who that was? The Monarchs?

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Speaker 1: But they're not still around, are they?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: Huh no? Yeah, so yes, that's right, the Monarchs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Monarchs.

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Speaker 1: All right, John's up next. We will be back with

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Speaker 1: you at noon tomorrow, and I thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Quarry Company.