1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Live from Vall Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: When I first saw the case, I'm like, I don't 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: understand what this case is all about. No part of 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: it made sense. Can you be stoned and shoot your 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: weapon at someone? 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that was the case. I thought 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: that was the conversation. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little more in depth, Tony Kats Tony 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: Katz today, Good to be with you. This is the 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: case the United States versus Hamani, the United States versus 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: Hamani hm An I were the Supreme Court has already 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: heard the case, and this was a question of whether 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: an habitual user of marijuana is still able to possess 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: a firearm. I have many thoughts. Guy Ralford joins me 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: right now. Guy Ralford is a Second Amendment attorney. He 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: is also a radio host on my home station of 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: ninety three point one of MWIBC. He is known as 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: a gun guy throughout Central Indiana, Indiana as a whole. 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: He is engaged as a lawyer of some of the 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: most high profile cases in the state, never mind in America. 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: He is also the founder of the two A project. 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: Let's start where we start here? 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: Because this case kind of flew under the radar until 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: it was heard by the Supreme Court this week, and 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: people were saying, well, well, well I can be stoned 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: and shoot. Walk me through, take me through the basics here. 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: What is this case about. 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, this case is about the Controlled Substances Act of 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy and how it intersects with the federal laws 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: dealing with who can and cannot possess a firearm tony 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: and under eighteen USC which is US Code nine two G. 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: That's a broad category, several categories of people who cannot 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: legally possess firearms under federal law. If you go to 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: G three subsection, it says, if you're an unlawful user 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: of or. 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: Addicted to. 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: A controlled substance an illegal drug, then you cannot possess 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: a firearm. And marijuana is still a Controlled Substances Act 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: under the Controlled Substances Act of nineteen seventy. As ridiculous 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: as that might be and as unrelated as that might 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: be to the dangerousness of marijuana, and that's an issue 43 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: that came up during the arguments. 44 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: In this case. It's still illegal at the federal level. 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: So Hamani is a guy who was found with marijuana 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: in his apartment in Texas, and he was also in 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: possession of a gun there in his apartment. They arrested 48 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: him and he went to trial. The trial court said, 49 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: you know what, I think the statute is unconstitutional because 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 3: there's no nexus. There's no logical connection between occasional marijuana use, 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: and that's the allegation here. He admitted to being a 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: regular user of marijuana. No evidence he was high on 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: marijuana at the same time he actually possessed a gun. 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: But the statue says an unlawful user of or addicted 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: to a controlled substance. Well, he said, yeah, I use 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: marijuana regularly. On that basis, he was prosecuted again. Trial 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: court said, now this looks unconstitutional to me. I don't 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: think this holds muster under Supreme Court precedence. Say, there 59 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: has to be some historical analog that says at the 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: time of the founding there were similar kinds of laws, 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: and that's from the Bruined decision, which you remember from 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two. Went up to the Court 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: of Appeals, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals that handles 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 3: appeals from Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, and the Fifth Circuit said, 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: we agree with the trial court, this is unconstitutional. And 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: the government appealed that Trump's DJ is actually the one 67 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: appealing the decision of unconstitutionality out of the Fifth Circuit, 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: and it went up to the Supreme Court. And as 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: you just mentioned, oral argument was just earlier this week 70 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: on Monday, I believe. And let's based on an argument, 71 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: now we can start prognosticating what the court's going to 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: do with it. 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Let's hold on just right there, because you said something 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: I think it hit my ear peculiar, which was the 75 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: idea about this tie was high. He admits to being 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: a casual user marijuana. He owns a gun, but you 77 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: use the term possessing a firearm, you possessing a gun. 78 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Do we see those things as different the idea of 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: ownership versus the idea of possession. Does there have to 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: be is the difference in use, in purpose, in presentation? 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's a great question. 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: And all of the federal prohibitions and most state prohibitions 83 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: talking about who cannot have a firearm all focused on possession, 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: not ownership. So in other words, I may own several guns, 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: but let's say I'm convicted of a felony, and now 86 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: I can't legally own a gun under federal law under 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: a different provision of nine to twenty two g. Well, 88 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: if I give all my guns to a friend and 89 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: say hold these guns for me, I still own them. 90 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: I want them back when I win my case at 91 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. But in the meantime, you can hold 92 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: these for me. I'm not breaking any law, even under 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: the government's interpretation, because I don't physically possess them. Now, 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: possession can take two actual forms. There's actual possession and 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: constructive possession. Actual possession is it's in my immediate physical control. 96 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: Constructive possession is where I have both the means and 97 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: the intent to exercise dominion in control over that firearm. 98 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: So in other words, it's in my car, it's under 99 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: the seat. I'm the only one in the car. I 100 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: have constructive possession of it, even though I don't have 101 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: physically have it in my hand or what that's called 102 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: constructive possession. But to your question, the focus is always 103 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: on possession, not ownership. 104 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: That is that sounds just flat out Nattie talking to 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: Guy Ralford Ralford Law dot com. 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Second Amendment attorney also the founder of the two A Project. 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: Now this case gets to the Supreme Court, and the 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: Supreme Court is trying to decipher this argument. They're trying 109 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: to decipher the idea of drug use and firearms ownership. 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: Before we get to wear the Supreme Court and what 111 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: we the questions. 112 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: That you heard and what you think they meant it. 113 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: We're trying to read the tea leaves. 114 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: What is the standard thought process? You're a guy who 115 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: teaches firearms safety. You've done work, of course, being with 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: the NRA and and a host of others. You're known 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: for your work on the subject, You've written books on 118 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: firearms safety. What is the standard thought process of what 119 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: we'll call it. We'll create a broad crush here gun 120 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: owners in America on this case, on the idea of 121 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: drug use and or casual drug use, or even drinking 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: and firearms, I. 123 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: Think, and a broad category of people that I wouldn't 124 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: attempt to speak for, but I think my interpretation of 125 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: at least a consensus would be that where there's no 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: connection between actual dangerousness, that is something taking something, being 127 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: in such an altered state or otherwise. 128 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: That makes you dangerous and too dangerous to own a firearm. 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: Absence some connection between a prohibition and dangerousness, then I 130 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: think those laws are unconstitutional, and I think the vast 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: majority of good owners would agree with me. I think 132 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: there's a smaller percentage and minority who would say, well, 133 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: wait a minute, unless you're in jail and physically taken 134 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: off the street, If you're not so dangerous as to 135 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: be in prison and the government lets you out to 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: be among the rest of society, then you're by definition 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: not so dangerous that you should be deprived of your 138 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: constitutional rights. And there's some logic actually behind that, even 139 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: though I think it's more a minority position, but certainly, 140 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: when there's no nexus, there's no connection between dangerousness and 141 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: a prohibition. For instance, we're going to see a case 142 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: of the Supreme Court not so long from now. I'm 143 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: sure eventually that looks at whether non violent felons can 144 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: be prohibited. I mean, the exact same analysis that the 145 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: Supreme Court's undergoing in this Hamani case. 146 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: Because if I. 147 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: Cheated on my taxes, or in one actual case, I 148 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: lied on my application for food stamps, does that make 149 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: me so dangerous as to not be able to possess firearm? 150 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: I think the answer is obviously no, but that's the 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: way the law works today. You're going to see a 152 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: similar challenge. So, coming back to Hamani, if occasional, even 153 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: regular marijuana use with no evidence that you're high at 154 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: the time you physically possess a gun, that's an important distinction. 155 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: You occasionally use. 156 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: Marijuana, but no evidence that when you picked up a 157 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: gun you were so stoned as to be dangerous. That 158 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: I think is what the court is going to have 159 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: a hard time with. And I think it's going to 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: be a thin majority. I think you may see some 161 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: range benfellows. I think you may see some traditional liberal 162 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: justices here side with more conservative ones. He may see 163 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: some that conservative justices that go the other way. They 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: simply want to be deferential to Congress. So I think 165 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting and you may see an 166 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: interesting mix on this. But based on the questions, the challenges, 167 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: the statements from justices, if your argument, you may see 168 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: a thin majority in favor of the gun owner. 169 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: Here. 170 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Let's get into that. 171 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: Talking to Guy Relford, he's known as the gun Guy 172 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: on Radio. Relford Law dot com, second amendment attorney, second 173 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: amendment expert that we use here on Tony Katz today. 174 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: And when you take. 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: A look at how the Supreme Court was asking the questions, 176 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: this is how Shooting News Weekly put it. 177 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: It appears the Supreme Court. 178 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: Is likely to let marijuana users own guns. And then 179 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: there was this going back to October of twenty twenty 180 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: five when this case was first known about this this 181 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: was gun Owners of America gun owners dot Org, which 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: I do not have any connection with. I don't know 183 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: if you have any connection with, and they write the 184 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: Department of Justice intentionally hand picked the worst facts for 185 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: gun owners. 186 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: So talk to me about the case that. 187 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: Was made by the federal government and then the questions 188 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: that were asked by the Supreme Court. 189 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: How did it leaving you feeling? 190 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: Knowing that Shooting These Weekly, for example, amongst others, thought 191 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: that the questions led to the idea. 192 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: Of, Yeah, you're gonna be able to smoke marijuana and 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: still on a gun. 194 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm less than cautiously optimistic. I think again, if 195 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: I had to bet the mortgage, I think my prediction 196 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: is you're going to see a thin majority in favor 197 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: of the gun owner here. But I would not be 198 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: surprised by it to see it go the other way. 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be a big swing either way. 200 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: For instance, the Chief Justice seemed to want to give 201 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: Congress lot of deference. He challenged Hamani's lawyer to say, well, 202 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: wait a minute, if Congress has made a determination, that 203 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: a factual determination that a broad category of people here 204 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: illegal drug users, are dangerous, and who were we as 205 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: a court to interfere with that decision coming from the legislature. 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,359 Speaker 3: And isn't that more of the legislature's job than the 207 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: judiciary's job. And you could see some conservative justices wanting 208 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: to go that direction. At the same time, you had 209 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: Justice Gorsuch actually make a point which I did. 210 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: On the radio before the oral argument. I made the 211 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: same one on the radio. 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: Which was hold on if the analog here, that's required 213 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: the justices have to cite some some historical examples of 214 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: regulations under the Second Amendment that were deemed appropriate and 215 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: constitutional under the Second Amendment that are similar, that are 216 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: analogs that apply the same logic, and and and and 217 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: some of the analogs were. For instance, there are laws 218 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: at the time of the Founding where governments could disarm 219 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 3: habitual drunkards and uh and and and and and and 220 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: the government said, well, there you go. If you can 221 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: disarmed habitual drunkards, we can disarmed habitual marijuana users. 222 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: And uh and and just as. 223 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: Uh of course it said, hold on, that's drunkards, not 224 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: occasional users of alcohol. And and then and there's a 225 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: big difference because here he was an occasional user of marijuana. 226 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: He wasn't. 227 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: There's no evidence he was so high as to be incapacitated. 228 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 3: And the drunkard statute from the way back in the day, 229 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: we're looking at people who couldn't manage their own affairs 230 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: because they were drunk all the time. That's what we're 231 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: dealing with here. And by the way, if you're going 232 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 3: to say that applies to occasional users of marijuana, you 233 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: just disqualified all of the founders. 234 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: Excuse me, regular users of alcohol, is what I meant 235 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: to say. 236 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: If you're trying to say that applies to the occasional, 237 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: even regular use of alcohol, then you just disqualified all 238 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: of the founders. And it was a powerful point, that's 239 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: when I made on the radio before they were our 240 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: and I think that indicates where Gorsas is going to go. 241 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: But it's It's going to be an odd combination of 242 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: justices on this ruling, is my prediction. 243 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: Do you find you talk about Van Bruin and and 244 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: some of the other decisions that even the late with 245 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: better Ginsburg was in favor of the gun owner and 246 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: the right to keeping bare arms means on one's one's person. 247 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: Do you think that they engage some of these kinds 248 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: of responses and decisions in favor of gun ownership with 249 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: resentment like they're they're really left no course because the 250 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: Second Amendment says what it says and doesn't say what 251 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't say. Do you find that the court would 252 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: like to find an out like, for example, when you 253 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: talk about John Roberts saying, well, Congress does in Congress, 254 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: that's that is standard for him. That goes back to 255 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: his position on Obamacare and a host of other things. 256 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: I'm just recently decisions. Do you find the court's churching 257 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: for a reason to turn down the gun owner or 258 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: has the court become at least this court kind of 259 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: accepting of the fact that the gun owner has rights 260 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: and it's simply there's nothing that's going to change that. 261 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: I think it depends on which justice there's a mixed 262 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: bag to answer your question. For instance, I think Justice 263 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: Thomas is a firm believer in the Second Amendment. He's 264 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: the one that consistently comes out after the Supreme Court 265 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: denies circerari in cases they won't review a case, he says, 266 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: come on, we got to start taking more of these cases. 267 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: The Second Amendment is not a second class citizen when 268 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: it comes to the Bill of Rights. It occupies equal 269 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: stature with everything else in the Bill of Rights, and 270 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: we need to start treating it as such. He's a 271 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: true believer on that, I think. I think Gorsaic is strong. 272 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: Amy Cony Barrett and Justice Kavanaugh have both written very 273 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: strong opinions even as Court of Appeals judges before they 274 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: became members of the Supreme Court. That indicate I think 275 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: a strong pro constitution, pro Second Amendment leaning. I think 276 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: others are more resigned to the fact, as you said, 277 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: the Constitution says what it says. But I think here 278 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: you may even get some more traditional liberal justices. And 279 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm thinking here about Soda Mayor and Kagan, those two 280 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: justices who may men be more focused on the marijuana 281 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: side of it than the Second Amendment side of it. 282 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: But to say, hold on, what's the rationale for depriving 283 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: this whole class of people when there's not been a designation. 284 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: There's not been any kind of fact finding. 285 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: Of dangerousness when the scheduling of a drug occurs. And 286 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: what I mean by that is this is is marijuana 287 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: is currently a Schedule one drug under the Control Substances 288 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: Act in nineteen seventy. That means it's up there with 289 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: heroin and methamphetamine and cocaine as being one of the 290 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: worst in terms of being addictive and worst in terms 291 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: of harmful effects and potential for overdose. And to put 292 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: marijuana in that same category is somewhat ridiculous. And there's 293 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: some interesting story behind that that has a very much 294 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: of a political bent to it, which is interesting history. 295 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: But when in deciding that marijuana when to be scheduled 296 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: at all or to become a Schedule one, Congress never 297 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: made any kind of fact finding as to whether or 298 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: not being high on marijuana makes you dangerous makes you 299 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: more inclined to commit some violent act than any other drug, 300 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: prescription or non controlled or non And a lot of 301 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: justices in this oral argument focused on that to say, 302 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: hold on, you're saying Congress made a broad prohibition based 303 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: on their determination that certain drugs making dangerous. 304 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: But that's not what happens. 305 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: When you put a drug into a particular schedule under 306 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: the Controlled Substances Act, they categorize them on entirely different 307 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: set of criteria, which are things like addictiveness and potential 308 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: for side effects and harm and overdose and death. Never, 309 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: if they use this drug, they're going to go commit 310 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: violent acts. And so that was never part of the 311 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: fact finding. How can you rely on that as justification? 312 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's a powerful argument that even a 313 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: couple of the liberal justices like Soto Mayor very much 314 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: picked up on that. 315 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: Right. There is Guy Ralford. He's known as the gun Guy, 316 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: a Second Amendment attorney Ralford, R. E. L. F O R. D. 317 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Ralford Law. 318 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: Dot com is where you find him checking out for 319 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: yourself and founder of the two to A project? 320 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Is that two A project? 321 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 4: Dot org? 322 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: It is dot com dot com. 323 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: My mistake, we have a project dot com. 324 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: Just that easy guy, always a pleasure. Moore is coming 325 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: up on Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 3: Financial Americans who think that warrant that the bombing of 327 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: Iran was in some way sort of intended to distract 328 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: Americans from the Fsteam files. 329 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 5: Well, listen, I think we're seeing this pattern right. Trump 330 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 5: has impulsively, He impulsively went in on Venezuela. He impulsively 331 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 5: went in on Iran. There was no exit and no 332 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: endgame for either of these situations. It led to increased 333 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 5: global instability everywhere he goes, and every time he's done that, 334 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 5: it has been consistent with a spike or a revelation 335 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 5: in what is happening with the Epstein files. 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: That's representative Cassio Cortes pretending she's an intellectual. Now ask 337 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: her about her position on Taiwan and China. You know 338 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: the the I think that Americans they like the idea 339 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: that everything's going to be wrapped up in a bow. 340 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: It's going it's very it's boom, this this this thing. 341 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: Here's what's going to happen. Here's how it's going to work. 342 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: It's very simple. Sometimes it's not simple. But when you're 343 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: engaged in a level of coordination, engaged in a level 344 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: of coordination where. 345 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: You are. 346 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: Taking out the ability for the Chinese to get oil 347 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: from Venezuela, taking out the ability for the Chinese to 348 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: get oil from. Now, you're going to eliminate their ability 349 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: to connect with having a foothold in the Western hemisphere 350 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: by keeping Cuba at bay. 351 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: Sounds like a strategy. Sounds like a good one. Oh 352 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: is it perfect? Does it all wrap up in a boat? No? 353 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I concur. 354 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: But the idea that there's no strategy, I'm not totally. 355 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: On board with that. 356 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: And remember Alexander Cassi Cortez wants to say we're hiding 357 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: from the Epstein files when more files got released today. 358 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 1: So silly. This is Tony Kats today. 359 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt took a stroll, as she did, to meet. 360 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: With the press on Pebble Beach. 361 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: That's the area right outside the White House where all 362 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: the press is set up and all the cameras are 363 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: set up. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today. Good to be here, 364 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: Good to be with you. She wants to chat. We 365 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: want to hear what she has to say. You've got 366 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: the war with Iran. You have got, of course, the inability, 367 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: the unwillingness to fund the Department of Homeland Security from 368 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: the Democrats, the firing of Christinome. 369 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, can we hear? Do we have this 370 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: all set up. No, there it is. No, I thought 371 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: we had it. 372 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: Are you telling me my microphone isn't working for this, 373 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: because I'm going to go crazy. 374 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: No, man, it is not. I'm going to try and 375 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: make it work. 376 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: I let me see if I can put it together, 377 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: because I want to see what she had to say, 378 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: trying to figure out whether or not she's got the answers. 379 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: I thought we had it earlier. No, we do not. 380 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: That is nutty right there. We will try and get 381 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: it to you. As for the firing of Christine, No, 382 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: we may have very well been on it. We may 383 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: have very well been on it when we said when 384 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: we shared the clip regarding Senator John Kennedy that it could. 385 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 4: Have been. 386 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: About the money, the two hundred and twenty million dollars 387 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: spend on ads. 388 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 6: Hi, everybody, good to see you. 389 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: This could have all been about. 390 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, let me bring it back to Caroline Levitt here, 391 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: who started this press conference there outside with the press corps. 392 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: Talking about a whole series of subjects. 393 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: Here. 394 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 7: It's a busy day here, as you all know, the 395 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 7: President will be meeting with defense contractors here at the 396 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 7: White House in a few minutes with Secretary Heikeseth. This 397 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 7: is a pre scheduled meeting and the purpose of it 398 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 7: is to talk about the President's aggressive and fierce support 399 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 7: for rapidly increasing the ability of USUB manufacturers to produce 400 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 7: American made weapons, which we know are the best in 401 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 7: the world. The President signed in executive order on this 402 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 7: earlier this year. 403 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 6: This is a long. 404 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 7: Held policy objective of this administration, and so he'll be 405 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 7: speaking directly with these defense contractors. But of course, as 406 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 7: the President has maintained, we have more than enough ammunitions, 407 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 7: weapons stockpiles to achieve the objectives of Operation Epic Fury 408 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 7: and beyond. 409 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: Now. 410 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Pete Hegsath has been very clear that of course we 411 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: have the firepower, Let's not be ridiculous. And I want 412 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: to be clear, of course we have the firepower. 413 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Could we not be ridiculous wanting to ensure we have 414 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: the firepower. 415 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: I got no issue with that at all, zero issue 416 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: with that. And if you want to engage Defence Production 417 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: Act and look at some companies and say hey, let's. 418 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: Let's get this going, I think that's fine. 419 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: I think it's actually necessary, and I would be incredibly 420 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: bothered if it was necessary, and I'd be asking what 421 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: the hell we've been spending the money on. 422 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: If we are out of bullets or bombs. 423 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: Wanting to replace the bullets or bombs, that I can 424 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: appreciate the questions continued for the Press secretary since said 425 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: that is. 426 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: We're not going through all of this so that we 427 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: can't help with end of a commina. 428 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 6: And you also said that we can keep the sum forever. 429 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: Does that mean that this current mentality in you wrong 430 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: remains in place. 431 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: You're going to have to keep doing the fight. 432 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 7: I won't get ahead of the President on broadcasting any timelines. 433 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,239 Speaker 7: What I will tell you is what President Trump has 434 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 7: already laid out, which is that the achievable objectives of 435 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 7: Operation Epic Fury we expect to last about four to 436 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 7: six weeks, and we are well on our way to 437 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 7: achieving those objectives. Annihilating Aron's navy. We know that we've 438 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 7: sunk more than thirty Iranian vessels and ships. Their navy 439 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 7: has now been deemed combat ineffective. Taking out the ballistic 440 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 7: missile threat that Iran posed to the United States and 441 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 7: our troops and bases in the region. We have done 442 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 7: a tremendous job. The United States military has done a 443 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 7: tremendous job at achieving that objective. Thus far, just six 444 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 7: days in the retaliatory ballistic missile strikes. 445 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 6: From Iran are now down ninety percent. 446 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 7: I'm suring Iran can never obtain a nuclear weapon as 447 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 7: well and significantly weakening their proxies in the region, which 448 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 7: we know are responsible for the deaths of Americans. And 449 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 7: we've seen Hesbalah in the huthis hardly putting up a 450 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 7: fight over the course of the last six days. Ultimately, 451 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 7: the President has made it very clear he wants to 452 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 7: take out the threat of Iran to the United States 453 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 7: and Operation Epic Fury as well on its way to 454 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 7: doing that. As for the future of Iran, as the 455 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 7: President has pointed to, of course, it's in the best 456 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 7: interest to the United States of America for Iran to 457 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 7: no longer be led by a radical terrorist regime that 458 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 7: chants death to America and is lying to the United 459 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 7: States in the world about their secret ambitions to possess 460 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 7: a nuclear bomb. 461 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 6: President Trump does not want to see that. 462 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 7: He wants to take an interest in pursuing who the 463 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 7: next leader of the Iranian country is going to be, 464 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 7: and that has yet to be seen and the president 465 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 7: is discussing it and deliberating it. 466 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: Now, she sidestepped the idea of rebuilding. It should the 467 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: President should come out clearly, they've got oil money. We're 468 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: going to get that oil to the market, no more 469 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: sanctions on that. They're gonna be a very rich country, 470 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: and they'll be able to pay for their rebuilding. 471 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And then he's going to follow it up with are 472 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: we taking bets? Are we taking bets? Guys? Because here's 473 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: what he's going to follow it up with. 474 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: He's going to follow it up with, and we've got 475 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: some great American companies that will be able to help 476 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: them rebuild. Is anybody questioning that? Because if you're questioning that, 477 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: you're you're out of your mind if you're questioning that. 478 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: The conversations about Iran continued, and Caroline Levitt was very 479 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: clear that we are absolutely decimating these people. 480 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 7: Well, really, what this is, Pargotta, You just said on 481 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 7: Fox that it doesn't really matter if you want to 482 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 7: be full wrong in the paging about military happens. 483 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: Why does it matter if you as military is in 484 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 6: a neighbor by rudolfspred I. 485 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 7: Believes as well what I meant Kristen and thank you 486 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 7: for giving me a chance to make it very clear. 487 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 6: Is that it. 488 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 7: Clearly is not making a difference with respect to the 489 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 7: military operations in Iran, because we are completely decimating them. 490 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 7: As I said earlier, we've taken out nearly thirty of 491 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 7: their ships. Their navy has been deemed combat ineffective, ninety 492 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 7: percent reduction in ballistic missile retaliatory strikes against the United States. 493 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 6: And our Gulf Arab and partners in the region. 494 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 7: So of course we are achieving the military objectives of 495 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 7: this operation, and that is going to continue because the 496 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 7: United States military is the best and most lethal fighting 497 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 7: force in the world. 498 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: We know this. 499 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: But I want to be clear, decimated is not the 500 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: right term here. It's the term she used, but as 501 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: a matter of just words have meaning, decimate would be 502 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: ten percent DESI. The Iranian navy, as reported, has ninety 503 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: active vessels in twenty twenty six, seven frigates, three corvettes, 504 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: six submarines, which I assume are Russian submarines. You've got 505 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: twenty four amphibious ships, twenty one patrol boats and seventeen 506 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: supporting auxiliary ships. 507 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: So take the seventeen right out and now you're down 508 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: to eighty three. 509 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: The patrol boats can fire, but they're certainly not gonna 510 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: do anything against some of our hardware. So could we 511 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: argue that you take the twenty one, but do you 512 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: not leave the twenty one in? Leave the twenty one in. 513 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: They've got ninety, You take out the seventeen. That's seventy three. 514 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: We've taken out thirty ships. That leaves them forty read ships. 515 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: That's way more than decimate. 516 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: Just just for the. 517 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: Sake of clarity, for understanding words, that's what it is. 518 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: We have seen that we have air not why not 519 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: what a general referred to I believe as a general 520 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: referred to as superiority. 521 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: We have air supremacy going on. 522 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: The only question is at what moment does the Iranian 523 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: regime collapse? At what moment do you break the IRGC. 524 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 2: This is the only thing for us to discuss if 525 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: the argument is going to be they are shooting less 526 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: and less missiles every day because they have less and 527 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: less missiles to shoot, because we take out their their 528 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: mobile launchers, because we take out their sites, because we 529 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: take out their people, because we take out their command 530 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: and control. We have control their satellites, we've controlled their television. 531 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: We could broadcast anything we choose, we can share anything. 532 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: We can win the propaganda war. 533 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: At what moment. 534 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: Then do we discuss the breaking of the IRGC, the 535 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: Islamic Revolutionary GUARDCOREP. We have been talking about this since 536 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: the beginning because we understood the focus of what has 537 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: to happen. But when Trump says he wants a hand 538 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: and picking the new leader, and when he says he 539 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: wants onconditional surrender, what I am hearing and I'm willing 540 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: to admit what I am hoping. I am not so 541 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 2: naive to think that I'm going to get what I 542 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: want and that everybody's talking about the same things. 543 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: What I am hoping is what he is saying. 544 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: What the President is saying is no part of the 545 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: current regime will be part of new leadership. That's over. 546 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: That is the only way this works. Absolutely, no part 547 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: of the Iranian regime, no is life, no one who 548 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: is lamis looking, no one who is eastward looking. None 549 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: of that. Persia must be Persia again. Caroline Levitt was 550 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: also asked about the firing of Christinome and the soon 551 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: to be confirmation fight for Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. 552 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: Of Oklahoma, who has been nominated to replace Gnome as 553 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: the Secretary of Homeland Security created. 554 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 8: On the President's decision at at Mark Wwayn Mullen as 555 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 8: the next DHS Secretary, Can you talk a little bit 556 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 8: about the rationale for the choice, why Mohen was the 557 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 8: best candidate in his eyes, and also your message to 558 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 8: Congressional Democrats who continue to keep the DHS on pundon. 559 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 560 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 7: Well, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen has been a strong friend 561 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 7: of the President and a big supporter of the President's 562 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 7: immigration policies. 563 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 6: Not only that, he's. 564 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 7: Exceptionally talented, qualified, and I know well respected by his 565 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 7: peers on Capitol Hill from both sides of the aisle. 566 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 6: So we look forward to. 567 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 7: His expeditious confirmation, and I know the White House will 568 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 7: be working with. 569 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Our Let's be clear, this is not going to be 570 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: an expeditious confirmation. 571 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: I just please please, don't try and sell me that. 572 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 2: This is going to be painful and stupid, which is 573 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: actually the name of my. 574 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: New book about the Squad. It is going to be 575 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: awful for no reason. Awful. 576 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: It is going to be the worst. Of course, he 577 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: should be confirmed. There's no reason he shouldn't be confirmed none, 578 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: But it's gonna be nine hundred questions about what are 579 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: you going to do about ICE, how are you going 580 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: to handle ICE? Why is about ICE? And do you 581 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: think they're going to believe any answer he gives, because 582 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: if I'm Mark way Mullen, if I'm advising Mark wayn Mullen, 583 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: I answer the following. ICE is going to continue doing 584 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: its job and removing every illegal imigrants anywhere they are, 585 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: regardless of what they claim and regardless of their family life, 586 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: they're being removed. 587 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: We can do this humanly, We can do this well. 588 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: We can do this. 589 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: Respectfully within the confines of the law, protecting every member 590 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: of ICE and law enforcement first and foremost. If that 591 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: is not to your liking, Senator Democrat, sucks to be you. 592 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: It's going to be It's going to be a clown show. 593 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: I have to cover it, don't I? Yeah, I do. 594 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today. 595 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to. 596 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: Dig more into this pole with you. It's going to 597 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: come back up more than more than once. Tony Katz, 598 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good to be 599 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: with you. This was a Fox News poll and The 600 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Fox News poll asks a question. 601 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: Would it be a good thing or a bad thing. 602 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: For the US to move away from capitalism and more 603 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: towards socialism. 604 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: The idea that that question gets. 605 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: Asked just freaks me out to no end. What came 606 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: from this is that sixty one percent said it would 607 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: be a bad thing, a bad thing if you had 608 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: a drift to socialism. Thirty eight percent said it would 609 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: be a good thing. And that children is a massive problem, incredible, 610 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: incredible problem. 611 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: You got to stop sending your kids to public school. 612 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: You got to keep an eye on what's going on 613 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 2: with your kids at all times. 614 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: What's happening when it comes to the universities. 615 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: This is horrifying, considering socialism never created anything and capitalism 616 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: creates nothing but opportunities and happiness. This is absolute madness 617 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: and it's scary. It is unbelievably scary to witness that 618 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 2: this could be the that this is where Americans are at. 619 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: But I say to you that it's fixable. Changes in education, 620 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: and these changes in education also mean I don't want 621 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 2: to hear about how teachers need to get paid more. 622 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: Not when you're indoctrinating kids. 623 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no 624 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 9: no no. We don't pay you more for that. We 625 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 9: break the teachers' unions. We don't need you. We'll go 626 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 9: about creating other. 627 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: Schools, will hire teachers, and they'll actually teach math and 628 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 2: science and English, and that'll be it. 629 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: That's enough. It's a frightening bit upholling, but it is fixable. 630 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. 631 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz Today.