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Speaker 1: Based on that segue on the Java House Peelaport guest line.

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Speaker 1: He is Worth with the Fort Worth Star Telegram and

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Speaker 1: has covered TCU football, which is the reason I wanted

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Speaker 1: his favorite bon Jovi song. Mac Ingele, friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: joins us. Now, Mac, your favorite song from bon Jovi

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Speaker 1: was what?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I feel terrible, Jake, And I mean that sincerely.

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Speaker 2: I never listened to bon Jovi, but this is a

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Speaker 2: true story. That's true. I didn't grow up listening to

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Speaker 2: bon Jovi, so I know wanted detoralive because of the

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Speaker 2: guitar intro, and I do have the unique distinction of

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Speaker 2: having flown on bon Jovi's plane. True story.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, that's a true story. How did you end

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Speaker 1: up flying on bot Now? Was bon Jovi on the

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, this is the only play.

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Speaker 2: I never knew this so a number of years ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been in Fort Worth for a long

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Speaker 2: time now thirty years, and I have a you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this.

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Speaker 3: Forever, Jake.

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Speaker 2: So one year, TCU called me and said, hey, would

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Speaker 2: I said yeah, sure. They said, okay, meet us at

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Speaker 2: nice private plane, I mean nice, and I haven't even

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Speaker 2: walked on it yet. I'm like, Wow, this is one

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Speaker 2: hell of a plane. And this is for a basketball team.

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Speaker 2: This would have been this Wi Been weren't even in

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Speaker 2: I've flown private before. I'd never been on a plane

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Speaker 2: like this, Jake, But it looked like a suite. So

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Speaker 2: finally there was a flight. There had to be a

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Speaker 2: of all these six foot eight, six foot six, six

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Speaker 2: she said, this is bon Jovi's plane. And I said,

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Speaker 2: what they do is these entertainers and sometimes really really

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Speaker 2: And it just so happened that we used bon Jovi's

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Speaker 2: while I have no real fandom of bon Jovi, I

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Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of the time in high

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Speaker 3: He took me zero to sixty and a day and

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Speaker 2: And I'm convinced if I had gotten into a wreck,

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Speaker 1: I know, and Jamal Meeks hit a half hour shot

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Speaker 1: What kind of player is Indiana getting in Josh Hoover.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, you know this is tough. He is a

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Speaker 2: very good passer. He's got good touch. He's a good thrower.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you say that, do you mean that he

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Speaker 2: He can put it. He can put it on you.

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Speaker 2: He's an accurate thrower. He really is an accurate thrower,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: He can slide around and move around and get his

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Speaker 2: He's not going to embarrass his team, his coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: And he is.

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Speaker 2: When I talked to two NFL scouts about him, they

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Speaker 3: Three year, three and a half years.

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Speaker 2: He's a really good guy. He's really well spoken, and

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Speaker 2: he is a solid quarterback. He is He is not

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Speaker 1: So he is not a design run guy right.

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Speaker 3: Now, no way.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how Indiana's offensive line is going

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Speaker 3: He just is.

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Speaker 2: That's not a slight but I do think it's really important.

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Speaker 3: That's not his strength.

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Speaker 1: If you look at TCU football, which you have and

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Speaker 1: Josh ub once he's in Indiana, has he overcome adversity

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Speaker 1: from a team standpoint or a scheduling standpoint at TCU,

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Speaker 1: And if so, what was kind of his maazi or

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good question because I think you

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Speaker 3: And did you get up?

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at Josh's career at TCU, now,

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Speaker 2: He was a terrific pitcher. He almost played baseball. It's

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Speaker 2: a really, really talented pitcher. But he elected to play

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Speaker 2: Now there's all kinds of thoughts. Was that the offensive

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Speaker 2: He couldn't in some ways he couldn't be going to

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Speaker 1: Would you guess that?

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Speaker 2: I heard two different figures. I heard four million dollars,

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Speaker 2: but no thanks. I'm loyal to this team and I

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Speaker 2: want to see this through and won a big twelve

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Speaker 2: more money, he had more to potentially go, like two

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Speaker 1: Matc Ingle's my guest. He's on the Java House peeling

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Speaker 3: Line.

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Speaker 1: He is with the Fort Worth Star Telegram talking about

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Speaker 1: Josh Shuver. All Right, you mentioned TCU when I when

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Speaker 1: I and you showed me the campus when I was

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched land Man just out of curiosity?

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's my question. So for those that have

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Speaker 1: and and just all that goes into that. How accurate

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Speaker 3: So it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's I love the fact that they're doing it. It's

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Speaker 3: To this city, in this community.

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Speaker 2: And you and I, Jake, know that when Hollywood visits

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Speaker 2: it's become really popular. It's a big, big deal to

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Speaker 3: So when they.

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Speaker 2: Started to develop Landman, I mean, I know a lot

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Speaker 3: It's a big, big deal. But is it accurate.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to oil, I've talked to guys who have

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Speaker 2: Bob Billy Bob's Billy Bob's job in real life, and no,

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Speaker 2: it's not accurate at all. It's fun, but no. And

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Speaker 2: They make it sound like it's about five minutes west

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Speaker 1: Why they fly on Bob's playing everywhere, Max, you know that.

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Speaker 2: But it's a really fun show. I'm surprised you're I

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Speaker 2: we trust you and we're gonna let you do whatever

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Speaker 2: I've seen all this stuff all over the place. And

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Speaker 2: you see how like Sam Elliott's been in town, John

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Speaker 2: Ham's been in town. They're going to these restaurants. It's

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Speaker 2: but I would still recommend it.

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Speaker 1: It is great.

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 1: By the way, is Mark Cuban buying the Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Again, No, Mark sold the team a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: they went out and bought the Sacramento Kings, and I

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Speaker 3: He In fact, his shares.

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Speaker 2: I expect Patrick Dumont to own the Mavericks for a

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Speaker 1: By the way, those guys that ended up buying the Kings,

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Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do, you know why, Mac No

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Speaker 3: I know you long enough. I know how proud of yourself.

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Speaker 2: You are you Joe, Like you've done all these cool

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Speaker 2: things in your career. You've got awards and trophies, Greg,

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Speaker 2: all this different stuff, great family.

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Speaker 3: You're like stupid lines like that. You're looking for somebody

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Speaker 1: I have no awards and trophies. Just so you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean that is, I have no awards and trophies.

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Speaker 1: mac because Indiana and I talked about this earlier. You know,

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Speaker 1: Is Dallas a team that will throw its Maverick hat

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Speaker 3: I think they already did it.

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Speaker 2: The number of teams Jake will Ye backtrack, Do you believe?

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to put you in a compromising

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Speaker 3: To the Pacers. Do you think the Pacers are tanking?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to an extent. Yes, I mean, and that's what

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Speaker 1: this point they quote need a little luck, and I

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Speaker 1: think what that means is seeing which way the ball bounces.

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Speaker 1: So is it Are they all in on guys go

442
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Speaker 1: out there and lose. I don't think that's the case,

443
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Speaker 1: but I think that they are now taking liberty with

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Speaker 1: their rotations and being overly cautious with players that might

445
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Speaker 1: have like the slightest hangnail.

446
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Speaker 2: I think what Utah did the other night was horrendous

447
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Speaker 2: for the NBA, and I think as much fun and

448
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Speaker 2: his conversation as that the lottery created for as long

449
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Speaker 2: as it did, and it created a real point of

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Speaker 2: interest for fans during a dead period on the schedule,

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Speaker 2: right whether that the lottery is held in April or

452
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Speaker 2: May or whatever. You got the draft and you had

453
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Speaker 2: points on a calendar, which is what you're trying to

454
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Speaker 2: do if you're a league, to get people to talk

455
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Speaker 2: about it and remain interested in your product when the

456
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Speaker 2: games aren't being played. Well, that's gone in a direction

457
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Speaker 2: that I don't think anybody foresaw Back in the mid eighties,

458
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: and that is the off seasons have become almost more

459
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Speaker 2: compelling than the regular seasons because of all this crazy

460
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Speaker 2: player movement. Well, now we're getting to a point now

461
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Speaker 2: during the regular seasons where you're watching games, you're like,

462
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Speaker 2: what is going on out there, and whether or not

463
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Speaker 2: you're questioning guys are taking a dive on certain plays

464
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Speaker 2: to avoid prop bet numbers or to hit prop bet numbers,

465
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Speaker 2: or now teams, not coaches, but teams strategically putting lineups

466
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Speaker 2: out there that, no matter how hard they try, are

467
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Speaker 2: not going to win that game. And I think, at

468
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Speaker 2: least in the case of Indiana's case, from the moment

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Speaker 2: Ty Haliburton suffered is injury in Game seven to Miles

470
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Speaker 2: Turner's exit to Milwaukee, I didn't if you looked at

471
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Speaker 2: the Pacers from that time to the start of the

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Speaker 2: regular season, nobody is thinking while they're tanking, they just

473
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Speaker 2: haven't been any good. And now, granted what we're seeing

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Speaker 2: his historic right, A team that went from one half

475
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Speaker 2: away from winning an NBA Finals to now very much

476
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Speaker 2: in the discussion for a lottery pick. That's incredible. And

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at some of these other

478
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Speaker 2: teams that are just so bad. Sacramento, New Orleans, Washington. Yeah,

479
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Speaker 2: no one really questions whether or not they're tanking. They

480
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Speaker 2: just stink. But I think if the Mavericks, the Mavericks

481
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Speaker 2: have nineteen wins and they've lost eight in a row.

482
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Speaker 2: They've traded Anthony Davis, they got really nothing in return

483
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Speaker 2: for him this season, that's going to do that much.

484
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Speaker 2: With all due respect to Marvin Bagley and Chris Middleton,

485
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Speaker 2: I they're not going to play Kyrie Irving. Cooper Flag

486
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Speaker 2: is terrific. God is he good? I don't know how.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, they would have to. It almost feels like Jake.

488
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Speaker 2: They would have to lose out to get one of

489
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Speaker 2: those guys, whether it's the Boozer kid, the Darren Peterson kid,

490
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Speaker 2: the kid at BYU, the four or five special guys

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Speaker 2: out there. You're like, oh, boy, that's a guy I want.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how. I don't see how Dallas can

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Speaker 2: get there now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're they're losing. You wouldn't rule that anything.

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Speaker 2: But as much as I love basketball, the fact that

496
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Speaker 2: we'll looking at seven or eight or nine to ten

497
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Speaker 2: teams that are just I mean, it's embarrassing for basketball

498
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Speaker 2: it's embarrassing for the NBA. But I don't look at

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Speaker 2: anything the Pacers have done, and I think what they're

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Speaker 2: doing is that of character today been compared to the

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Speaker 2: first week of the regular season when they stunk because

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Speaker 2: they didn't have enough good players.

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Speaker 1: Right well, and again, I mean this all goes back

504
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Speaker 1: to the Halliburton injury. But then on top of that,

505
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Speaker 1: I mean topping being out, you lose Turner, you lost

506
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Speaker 1: it legitimately, had Nie Smith that was out up for

507
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Speaker 1: games and Nimhart. Then at that point you get so

508
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: far behind the eight ball where you're like, well, you

509
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if they're if the basketball gods

510
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Speaker 1: had us here, then you know, maybe we got to

511
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Speaker 1: do some things to stick around in the room for

512
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Speaker 1: a while. But we'll see where all pans out.

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Speaker 3: They can ask you one quick, quick patier questions.

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Speaker 1: You have a pacer, what's happening?

515
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Speaker 3: Can I ask you one quick pacer question? Well? Sure, okay.

516
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Speaker 2: So I saw Benedict Mathn playing college, YEP. I thought

517
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Speaker 2: he was terrific. I was really excited when the Pacers

518
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Speaker 2: drafted him. I remember you tweeting in like the first

519
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Speaker 2: couple of months he had made some plays where you

520
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Speaker 2: thought that guy's him, that guy knows he's him, and

521
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Speaker 2: he's got the game. I was ecstatic when he went

522
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Speaker 2: off in Game three in the NBA Finals. I was like, Ooh,

523
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Speaker 2: if that guy does that, they can win. This has

524
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Speaker 2: this season the way it's gone and the fact that

525
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Speaker 2: he's gotten so many caught like starts. Is he going

526
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Speaker 2: to be that guy for the Pacers or as the

527
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Speaker 2: head coach? Well, and he's doomed, Pardner.

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Speaker 1: No, they traded him. He was part of the trade,

529
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Speaker 1: created him. Yeah, So god, I feel like an idiot.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry cut this point out.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, Hey Mac, Mac, I don't know if you know

532
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Speaker 1: this or not. You're and ready for Are you sitting

533
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: down by the chip by chance?

534
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Speaker 3: Yes?

535
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl with the with the Seahawks.

536
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Speaker 3: What did they get? I'm so embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: I am literally like in humiliating.

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Speaker 1: So they get, well, you don't cover the Pacers. I

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Speaker 1: get it. They traded Benedick Matherin and Isaiah Jackson to

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Speaker 1: the Clippers for Visa Zobots as the center. Parde correct

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Speaker 1: and in doing that, they also traded provisionally their first

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Speaker 1: round pick this year unless they are in slots one

543
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Speaker 1: through four. If they go five through nine, that pick

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Speaker 1: goes to the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy to me because.

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Speaker 1: To answer your question, and the analogy that I've used

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Speaker 1: repeatedly on this program, Mac is that Ben matherin the

548
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Speaker 1: more and more that we saw it, Ben Matheren is run.

549
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Speaker 1: This is what I keep saying on the air. And

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Speaker 1: you can use this in your column if you'd like.

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Speaker 1: Ben Matheren is rum. I like rum. I enjoy rum.

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Speaker 1: Rum is good on its own, and there are several

553
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Speaker 1: drinks I enjoy that have rum in it. But the

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00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: Pacers offense became an old fashioned and an old fashion

555
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Speaker 1: is a fabulous drink, but it doesn't need rum and

556
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Speaker 1: it doesn't require rum. And so it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy to me because when I saw they traded for Zubas,

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Speaker 2: it never crossed my mind that they would they would

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Speaker 2: give up on Matthew. Yeah, And I's the only thing

560
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Speaker 2: I can think of. And I have no way of

561
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Speaker 2: knowing this. You know, I knew I covered Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 2: for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I like Rick a lot as I Rick hated him.

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that was the case. I think

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Speaker 1: it was just the fact that he's an isolation player

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Speaker 1: and they play more of a float offense. I think Carlisle, actually,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say he liked or

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Speaker 1: disliked him. I don't know that it would be unfair

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Speaker 1: of me to say that. But I just think that he,

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Speaker 1: you know, game three, he won them Game three. He

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Speaker 1: also might have been the one that cost them Game

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Speaker 1: four in the finals. And that's the yin and yang

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Speaker 1: of the Matheren journey. But I think the Clippers were

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Speaker 1: in a situation where they wanted to clear cap space.

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Speaker 1: They they took on the contract of Matherin because it

577
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Speaker 1: expires at the end of the year, and then Jackson

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Speaker 1: as well as the salary match to get out from

579
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Speaker 1: underneath even those Zubox's salaries. Very friendly. But they're going

580
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Speaker 1: to line up like everybody else and the Yanna sweepsticks probably,

581
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Speaker 1: But and then and then actually Mac and this is

582
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Speaker 1: this will be fun. You can look forward to this.

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Speaker 1: If the Clippers actually sign Yannis sometime around June, then

584
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Speaker 1: about November, you can come on with us and ask

585
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Speaker 1: how Giannis fits in with the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Something else? Did I hear the.

587
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Pacers traded Ron Anderson and Chuck Persons.

588
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right, they got Michael Williams from Minnesota, the point

589
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Speaker 1: guard of the future.

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: He was good in that series against Boston.

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Speaker 3: Remember that they almost beat.

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Speaker 1: Larry stood on the park. You can't stop me on

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Speaker 1: the parquet floor. Yeah, that's right. I'm actually we'll get

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Speaker 1: you up to speed on the trade that sent Wayman

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Speaker 1: Tisdale the Sacramento Next time we talked, Mac, appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time as always. Thanks Mack Gingle joining us from from

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Speaker 1: again Central time zone or three weeks ago, whichever way

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Speaker 1: you'd like to look at unwhere Mac lies? Did you

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00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: play this one already?

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Speaker 3: I have not?

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Speaker 1: Are you sure?

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00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure I think you did?

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00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: No, I might starting. Am I reaching the point now

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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden everything's I'm getting you know.

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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: It's like when people will say, what did you talk

606
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Speaker 1: about in the show yesterday, Mike, I don't remember if

607
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: that was yesterday or a month ago. I have not

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00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: played this yet, okay, I mean, I'm not like Mac

609
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Ingle who didn't know that been Matheren have been traded.

610
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: But so which ones have you done so far?

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00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: Living on a prayer? We played that one.

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Speaker 4: It's my life Runaway, Bad Medicine.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the other one that I played It's

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Speaker 1: My Life twice, right, No, I haven't played it, Sure

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00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: in Life twice yet?

616
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Speaker 3: Sure? I think you have? No?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, we could ask the audience, but we

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Speaker 1: know this much. Very few stick around for more than

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Speaker 1: one segment on this program, right, Yeah, that's true. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now on the Java House Peel and Board guest line,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about the NFL combine. Win is the combine

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Speaker 1: and it's usually in April?

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Speaker 3: Is it not?

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Speaker 1: Combine itself?

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Speaker 3: Is in a couple of weeks?

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Speaker 1: That's right, because the raft is in April. Yes, But Indiana,

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: we now know nine players nine times will be represented.

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Speaker 1: Those players Bernanda Mendoza, who probably will be the number

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Speaker 1: one player selected in the draft, Robin Henby, the running

630
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Speaker 1: back who runs really hard, Omar Cooper junior, Elijah Surat

631
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Speaker 1: who catches everything thrown his way, Riley Nowakowski, their tight end,

632
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Speaker 1: Pat Coogan who was honored after the Rose Bowl, Aden

633
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Speaker 1: Fisher who was Johnny on the spot all the time,

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Speaker 1: DiAngelo pons Loumore. Those that have been selected for the combine.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now from Bloomington, Mike Nislik of the Bloomington

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Speaker 1: Herald Times. Mike, I'll begin with this, were there any

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Speaker 1: that were not invited to the combine that surprised you

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Speaker 1: or felt like a slight.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you could make the case for three of the

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Speaker 4: other guys, Kaylon Black, you know the running back that

642
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: was kind of co starter with Henby Michal Kamara, defensive

643
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Speaker 4: end who obviously sackers. You know, sack numbers are down,

644
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: but let fbs and quarterback pressures a year ago. I mean,

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Speaker 4: somebody like that usually gets an invite, and then Devin

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Speaker 4: Boy can obviously get their safety kind of one of

647
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Speaker 4: their safeties wrong side lot more. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously you know three in what three nineteen

649
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Speaker 4: or sixteen players invited total, I mean, you know you

650
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Speaker 4: can't have everybody. One of the things that Indiana will

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Speaker 4: benefit from is that, you know, scouts saw a lot

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Speaker 4: of their games right obviously, because they played it hot

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Speaker 4: in big moments against big competition. So those guys will

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Speaker 4: have had eyes on them and they'll benefit from the

655
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Speaker 4: Pro Day with the fact that you know, in past years,

656
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: the Indiana Pro Day hasn't been necessarily under right, how

657
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: about this year, all eyes will be in Bloomington because

658
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: Fananta Mendozo will obviously be there and plans to throw,

659
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: so they'll benefit from that as well.

660
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: And Mendoza has announced for the actual Combine that he

661
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: will not throw there. He will do it on his

662
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: pro day, but that is not unusual for a presumptive

663
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: first round or in this case number one.

664
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: Correct, right, there's really no benefit. I mean, what does

665
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 4: he have to prove at this point. I mean, he

666
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: was the Heisland Trophy winner. You know, they took him

667
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 4: sixteen and oh all the way to the National title game.

668
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: He's got the tape right, and he has nothing to prove.

669
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: Didn't play in any of the Scene Bowls or Shine

670
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: Bowls obviously with the quick turnaround, like there was just nothing.

671
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: There's no there's no mountain he has to climb, and

672
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: it's all on tape. It's on some Obviously the interviews

673
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: helped and you know, you know, getting in front of

674
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: people at those spots, and that's what he'll do at

675
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: the Combine. But you know, and he's talked about his

676
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: pro day's more throwing for everybody else as a post

677
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: for himself, like he does not have anything to prove,

678
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: but he wants to help the guy that helped.

679
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Him get here.

680
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Mike Nisilik is my guest. He's on the Java House

681
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: Peel and Port guest line, Mike. Of those that I

682
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: just listed off that were invited to the combine, and

683
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: we'll go with a couple of questions here, I'll begin

684
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: with this one. Which player do you think most benefited

685
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: from this season of Indiana football and Kurt Signetti development

686
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: one that perhaps when their college career began, you did

687
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: not think this was even a possibility, and yet here

688
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: they are because they blossomed under what Indiana was able

689
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: to allow them to showcase in terms of their individual

690
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: skill set.

691
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: Well, certainly the D'Angelo ponss. You know, it's obviously not

692
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: the offensive guy or I mean Curtis. I that he

693
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: didn't have the hand and it's sort of necessarily his

694
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: development on the defensive side of the ball. But I

695
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: mean their philosophy in terms of, you know, making sure

696
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: everybody's ready and and sort of study development. And he's

697
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: called him like the most talented player he's coached, you know,

698
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: in an entire career, right year one to whatever three was,

699
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, But it's it's you know, all American each

700
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: year freshman, All American at JMU, and obviously All American

701
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: last two years in Bloomington. You know, the size concerns

702
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: sort of now are have kind of gone away with

703
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: him just because of what he's shown on Phielm and

704
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: you fit, you know, somebody like that getting you know,

705
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: being an early mid round pick would be you know,

706
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: really against the odds interest in terms of like that

707
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: size does kind of scare a lot of teams off.

708
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: But I think he's proven and he's shown, uh, you know,

709
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: he's he's a heck of a player, heck of a competitor,

710
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: and you know, I think he's probably the number one

711
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: on that list because I think he might be the

712
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: second one to go after Mendoza.

713
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: What player that you look at, Mike or that when

714
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you talk about it, or you know, you talk to

715
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: people from outside of Indiana, Ponds and Mendoza, you know,

716
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: it goes without saying because you know, there was a

717
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: lot of interest about Ponds going into the year obviously,

718
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the trans first, but which

719
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: one feels like there their stock is improving the most

720
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: rapidly here, if that makes sense.

721
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

722
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: I mean the problem is is that Indiana has a

723
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: guy a lot a lot of guys, you know, maybe

724
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: with the exception of like on Omar Cooper that aren't

725
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: sort of combine asks sort of like oh, they're going

726
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: to run a four to three and blow everybody out

727
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: of the water, and like that's how they kind of

728
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: just like jump and jump up the boards. I think

729
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys are more guys when they

730
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: get in the interview rooms are going to sort of

731
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: be like that's the guy we want in our locker

732
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: room culture, Like that's the guy we want, you know,

733
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 4: if you can't necessarily make an impact, like not a

734
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: lot of these guys are like day one impact guys,

735
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: right like an Aidan Fisher or Pat Cougan. But like

736
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: they will make you better. They will find ways to

737
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: get on the field and make an impact, right Like

738
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: those guys could be special teams guys. Those guys could

739
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: be you know, key key backups. And so I think

740
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL, like they're not the partotypical like gonna

741
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: jump off a draft ward because oh you like I said,

742
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: you know their show run was so great or this

743
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: or that at the combine. But they are guys that

744
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: I think are going to get in a a in

745
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: a room and pressed scouts and press executives and find

746
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: a way to get drafted maybe the late rounds, and

747
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: stick around and have a solid NFL career just because

748
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: of their makeup.

749
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Mike, what I'm about to say is irrelevant because it's

750
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: going to be the case regardless, but just out of curiosity,

751
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: Mendoza as the presumptive number one pick in the draft.

752
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Do you believe that's because he has had a season

753
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: and has a skill set that is immediately translatable as

754
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the number one pick regardless of year, or is he

755
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: also benefiting from the fact that this is a year

756
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: that does not have a high number of quote unquote

757
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks.

758
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Well, I certainly think both.

759
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, there's talk about more even with the

760
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: year he had being like a potential number one pick

761
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: just because of the skill set he had and obviously

762
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: offering sort of like a counterpoint to maybe what Mendoza brings,

763
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 4: Like there is none of that, so like like there's

764
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 4: not even a discussion like in another year, like maybe

765
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: there's two three guys that you know are involved and

766
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: like it maybe maybe Mendoza has to go to the

767
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: common and throw or something like that, but I mean,

768
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: there it is just such a clean he's such a clear,

769
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: presumptive head and shoulders above the rest of the field that, like,

770
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 4: you know, that maybe is a little bit more unique

771
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: than than most years. And I think, you know, but

772
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that many guys that would

773
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: have changed the conversation. Like I said, Dante Moore maybe,

774
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: but even then, I still think, you know, Mendoza would

775
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: have been the number one pick on like eighty percent

776
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: of the draft board, so it didn't change a whole lot,

777
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: but obviously, you know, it changed the discussion a little

778
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 4: bit in terms of like, look, he's the number one

779
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 4: pick no matter what. There's no way anybody can envision

780
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: him not being it.

781
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, to clarify, for folks that are unfamiliar,

782
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: which to some extent includes me, the NFL has to

783
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: invite you to the combine. Correct. This is not the

784
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: university saying here's who we're sending. The NFL says, these

785
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: are the guys that we want to take a look at, right, correct.

786
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all invite based and the pro days open,

787
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: you know, usually opened all the graduating, you know, people

788
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: out of eligibility that Indiana, you know, just hosts on

789
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 4: their own. But yeah, the combine is invite.

790
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Only, Mike. While I've got you here, Mike and Ieslick,

791
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: my guest Joba House Peel and port guest line, I

792
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: want to talk a little basketball as well, because obviously

793
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you know that as well from the Indiana basketball side

794
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: of things, and we've talked to you about that in

795
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: the past. I've been talking a lot today about Danny

796
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Hurley's comments last night, Mike, and if you're not familiar

797
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: with what Danny Hurley had to say after last night's

798
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Butler Connecticut game, Danny Hurley was asked about that, Actually,

799
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was asked about that MADA.

800
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: He essentially volunteered about that MADA, his support for MADA

801
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: and the terms that he used, Mike. You know, he said,

802
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: this is a guy that showed what a great coach

803
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: he was when it was still college basketball, and then

804
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: later he went on to say before it became the

805
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: G League, and later he went on to say, just

806
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: give that eight to nine million a year and then

807
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: you'll see what kind of coach he is. And this

808
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: is a guy, as I talked about with Danny Hurley,

809
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: that turned down multi millions of dollars from the Lakers

810
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: to coach in the NBA. But he almost sounded like

811
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: he himself was exhausted by where things are with nil.

812
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: Do you believe that we are getting to a point, Mike,

813
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: whether there's going to have to be some sort of

814
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: jurisdiction or cap put on all of this to at

815
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: the very least present as though there is some sort

816
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: of boundary to the wild wild West we've entered into.

817
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that was what the College Sports Commission

818
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: was supposed to be, and the revenue share and you know,

819
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: and then I always supposed to be kind of like

820
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: that little extra in the pot. But like teams have

821
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: tried every which way to sort of circumvent it. So like,

822
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: I mean, they're the makers of their own demise in

823
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: the sense that like when the rules sort of leave

824
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: a window open, they will try to get through it, right.

825
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: Like it's just, you know, it's hard to find sympathy

826
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: when for the coaches when like they're the ones, you know,

827
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: not not necessarily Hurley specifically, but just.

828
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: Like they're the ones doing it right.

829
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: They're the ones pushing to get more money to be

830
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: able to offer these deals. So it's like, it's just

831
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what the solution is, Like it's it's

832
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not working right now. And I mean

833
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: you see all the eligibility stuff which is all sort

834
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: of tied to all this, and you know, it's it's

835
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: a mess and there's no easy solutions because teams are

836
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 4: always going to want the competitive edge and to take

837
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: advantage of any sort of like opportunity they have. On

838
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: the flip side, that means that like you need to

839
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: have real like enforcement and rules, which the NCAA does

840
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: not really have the teeth to be able to do so. Like,

841
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: I don't know where are you go next?

842
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: What would you guess Indiana or any Big ten school

843
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: for that matter, Mike, any upper league Big ten school,

844
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: what would you guess Their nil expenditure is not just

845
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: in player money, but just overall budget. The overall basketball budget,

846
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: let's just say, in Indiana roughly speaking, is what.

847
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 4: I don't have the top of off the top of

848
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: my head. I mean, those in the financial numbers for

849
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: next year coming out probably in the next couple weeks

850
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: in terms of like what the actual budgets are in

851
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: terms of nil you know, like with the revenue share

852
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: you know, basketball gets you know, like fifteen here, like

853
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: fifteen ish percent of like the twenty million you know

854
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: around there, and it's like sort of on the higher end.

855
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about schools trying to get you know,

856
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: extra on top of that to to be able to

857
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: you know, have a competitive roster. You know, it's sort

858
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: of wild in the sense that, like you any numbers

859
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: that get put out there, you kind of take with

860
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: a gris salt, because you know, they're they're jocking for me, right,

861
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: Like these agents are jocking for money for their clients,

862
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: and so it's sort of like it all fields very inflated.

863
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 4: Like when you see like, oh, this quarterback got offered

864
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 4: five million, it's like, well, who's saying, right, Like, I mean,

865
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's hard to say, like, but I mean,

866
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of revenue share obviously for this

867
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: year was you know, twenty million. It goes up a

868
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: little bit next year. But in terms of like what

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Speaker 4: basketball teams are getting, you know, it's somewhere in the

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Speaker 4: ballpark of like you know, the next big chunk of

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Speaker 4: it besides football, like fifteen percent ish and so you

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Speaker 4: can kind of go from there, and then teams are

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Speaker 4: supplementing that with nil and trying to obviously get as

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Speaker 4: much as they can, but those funds are all come

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Speaker 4: from someplace else too, so a lot of places are

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Speaker 4: you know, we're really hoping revenue share would sort of

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Speaker 4: take away that pressure so they can get back to

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Speaker 4: fundraising for UH stadium projects and other things. But you know,

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Speaker 4: now it's still it's kind of the statscos sort of

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Speaker 4: continued here with teams trying to have to still supplement

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Speaker 4: that stuff with an il funds.

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Speaker 1: Darren Devrez's group has won two in a row, that

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Speaker 1: won five in their last six, big one upcoming this

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Speaker 1: weekend at Illinois. How is Indiana different than they were

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Speaker 1: two months ago?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a good question, Darreen DeVries says, not much.

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Speaker 4: Like he says, like basically they were playing games the

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Speaker 4: way they are now, but just for they just weren't finishing,

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Speaker 4: or there were longer stretches where it was like they

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Speaker 4: you know, would go cold from the field, Like there

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Speaker 4: were these ten minute stretches in games where they were

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Speaker 4: just having problems and kind of got away from you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously they're the sort of moving the ball around or

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Speaker 4: shooting well, and so like they're doing the same things.

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Speaker 4: It's not like a radically different team. I think Lamar

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Speaker 4: Wilkerson obviously stepped up a little bit, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you look at his numbers going back to non conference,

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Speaker 4: they're not that much different. Like he dominated Penn State

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Speaker 4: and that was in December. So like, I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's any individual one thing. I just think it's the

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Speaker 4: growth of a team that obviously didn't have any returning players,

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Speaker 4: and so you see them putting everything together more so

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Speaker 4: and for that full forty minutes as opposed to having

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Speaker 4: those longer lapses that have cost them and sort of

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Speaker 4: the losses they had. But it's not a radically different

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Speaker 4: team than it was necessarily a month ago or even

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Speaker 4: two months ago.

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Speaker 1: The NFL scouting combine back to that begins one week

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Speaker 1: from Monday, as a matter of fact, February twenty third

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Speaker 1: until March second, at Lucas Oil Stadium here in Town,

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Speaker 1: Indiana will be well represented. But again Fernanda Mendoza throwing

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Speaker 1: at his pro day down in Bloomington, Mike, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll be on top of all of it. Mike Nisialik

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Speaker 1: from the Bloomington Herald Times. Mike appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 3: Man anytime, Thanks Man.

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Speaker 1: Mike Nislick joining us on the Java House Peel and

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