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Speaker 1: that disease and impacted by it. Tonight Trivia Night, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be there for that. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be asking some of the questions. I also wrote some

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Speaker 1: of the questions, almost half of which Eddie was able

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Speaker 1: to answer when I gave him to him. Right, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. You actually did. I think seven

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Speaker 1: out of ten you got correct, which is pretty good

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Speaker 1: because it's grade. Right is a getting that's right. Also,

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Speaker 1: we have tickets to give away for the fourteenth the

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Speaker 1: evening at Clues Memorial Hall, if that's what they call it,

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Speaker 1: Clues Hall, right Steiner, Yeah, friend of the show. He

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Speaker 1: is a friend of the show. So we will give

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Speaker 1: those away, and we will hear from Sauce Gardner coming

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Speaker 1: up in just a couple of minutes. But before we

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Speaker 1: do all of that, let's go to the Java House

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Speaker 1: peeling poor guest line, where we are talking about the

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Speaker 1: Pacers Locked On Pacers, one of the many outlets in which,

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Speaker 1: in addition to this program, you hear Tony East Tony

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Speaker 1: who saw me the other day? By the way, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this during the

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Speaker 1: Pacer game, and I can't remember if it was last

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Speaker 1: game or two games ago, but I went to the

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Speaker 1: restroom during halftime and was kind of and I inadvertently

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Speaker 1: went down a wrong hallway and was immediately scolded. No,

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Speaker 1: the security scolded me rightly, so I was in the wrong.

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Speaker 1: I was just kind of zoned out, and I went

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Speaker 1: past an area where I'm not supposed to go, and

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Speaker 1: they scolded me and and and as I then walked past,

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Speaker 1: I gave Tony East I think, kind of a fist

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Speaker 1: bunth because my wrist was still swollen and sore from

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Speaker 1: the way they slapped it. But I saw Tony right

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Speaker 1: after that, right after I'd been scolded. I saw he

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Speaker 1: was the first person I saw after my scolding, and

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Speaker 1: I just gave him, Hey, what's up, Tony East joins us. Now, Tony,

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Speaker 1: did I appear frazzled and razzled when you saw me?

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Speaker 3: No? But now I'm thinking back on that interaction quite differently.

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Speaker 3: The thing it's like right where the that's like right

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Speaker 3: where the road locker room is, right, so like any

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Speaker 3: wrong turning, they're like no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: No, yes, the road locker room. So that that there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a restroom down there near the road locker room.

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Speaker 1: But if you get into the left lane, then you're

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Speaker 1: in the road locker room lane, as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: right lane, which is the restroom lane, and I inadvertently

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Speaker 1: got in the left lane, and that's a no no.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, you know, I've.

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Speaker 3: I've walked on the hallway a million times. My biggest

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Speaker 3: fear is always and I'm just gonna get like trampled

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Speaker 3: by a player running out for the second half who

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Speaker 3: just does not know our care that I'm there.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why the securities are to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you're in the right lane, which I learned very quickly.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to this Tony. Last night. You

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Speaker 1: know that was one that I don't think anybody myself included.

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Speaker 1: I was down in Bloomington watching Indiana, so I did

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Speaker 1: not see each and every aspect of that game last night.

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Speaker 1: Had to look at it after the fact. And I

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Speaker 1: know so that there were runs that the nets went

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Speaker 1: on that Indiana just was not able to come back from.

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Speaker 1: But what was your first off, I guess, knee jerk

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Speaker 1: takeaway from last night's performance or lack thereof?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they did like every little thing back, right, if

494
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: you just told me, like, first of all, the nets

495
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Speaker 3: are terrible. So that's just like even if you're not

496
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Speaker 3: if you're a really banged up Pacers team, Like that's

497
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: a bad loss to have it home. Like Ben Shepherd

498
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: was really good, and Jay Huff was pretty good and

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Robinson Earl had been on a team for four days,

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Speaker 3: had for six days or whatever, had fifteen rebounds. Like

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Speaker 3: you told anybody that before the game, Like, oh, yeah, they'

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Speaker 3: win right, Like obviously they got three good role players

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Speaker 3: on their team. And like Pascal pulled up the statute,

504
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: but he had seven turnovers. They had twenty three fouls

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Speaker 3: as a team. They continue to just not be able

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Speaker 3: to make any shots at all, regardless of who's taking them.

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Speaker 3: And that's players that some have some haven't made shots before.

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Speaker 3: At carloson before the game, he's expecting a shot making

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Speaker 3: game to come at some point. Well, it wasn't last night.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like the nets were on fire or anything.

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Speaker 3: Michael Porter Junior hit some shots here that some other

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Speaker 3: guys make some there, but you know, every like a

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Speaker 3: lot of those. The box score stats were really similar

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Speaker 3: favorite the Pacers except for free throws and fouls. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's something Carlisle touched on post game, that

516
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Speaker 3: they just have a lot of fouls that are not

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Speaker 3: smart or are not ones that they need to be doing,

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Speaker 3: and it's really been haunting them all season. They're foul

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Speaker 3: rays like the highest in the league or among the

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Speaker 3: highest in the league. And in a game like last

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Speaker 3: night where they do well in a lot of categories,

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Speaker 3: not well but better than the next, the free throw

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Speaker 3: to Scriptanty is the thing that cost them. And it

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Speaker 3: wasn't even like a game where people thought, man, the

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Speaker 3: rest were so bad, like the Pacers just foul the

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Speaker 3: ton and we're terrible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tony. We might have discussed this, but I just

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Speaker 1: was talking about it before we brought you on the one.

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Speaker 1: To me, there are there are reasons that you can

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Speaker 1: look because we know that the Pacers are struggling due

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Speaker 1: to attrition, and because we know how good they can

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Speaker 1: be when this group is together. And I know Miles

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Speaker 1: Turner is not going to be there, but when when

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Speaker 1: Halliburton's back next year, et cetera. There are positives. There

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Speaker 1: is light at the end of the time, Hunnle is

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. However, if there is one detriment,

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Speaker 1: I am concerned that this year any thing that you

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Speaker 1: had in terms of the lack of them and I've

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Speaker 1: probably brought this up to you before, but when the

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Speaker 1: timeline of Siakam in his career trajectory was more advanced

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Speaker 1: than obviously players younger than he are, they now accelerating

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Speaker 1: and getting him back to the point that, in other words,

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Speaker 1: are they putting too many miles on the tires? That's

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Speaker 1: the easiest way to say with Pascal Siakam this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know I keep like that's gonna make

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Speaker 3: talking point after a lot of these games, is how

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Speaker 3: many minutes he's played, And people keep saying they doing that?

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Speaker 3: Are they playing him too much? And you know I

549
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Speaker 3: talked about that before the season with him and McConnell,

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Speaker 3: like you want them to play. They're good players, they

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Speaker 3: help you win, but they're more important in future seasons.

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Speaker 3: And like once you you know, father times undefeated unless

553
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Speaker 3: your names Lebron James, like you got to find a

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Speaker 3: way that and even he is sciatica and he has

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Speaker 3: to play this year, right, so you want to be

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Speaker 3: careful with these two players. To me, that's the most

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Speaker 3: obvious sign that the Pacers are obviously trying to win, right,

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Speaker 3: But like the most clear one to me is like

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Speaker 3: Siakle was playing thirty six thirty seven minutes, like every

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Speaker 3: night they've been in all these tight games and they're

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Speaker 3: using him to try to win. And you know, last

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00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: night he had his own turnover issues that were a

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Speaker 3: problematic thing for the team. But they can't like afford

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Speaker 3: to do that. That's just like not a smart thing

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Speaker 3: for them to do when they need him to be

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Speaker 3: fresh and great next season. And you know, maybe they'll

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Speaker 3: only play into April or whatever and it won't matter

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Speaker 3: that much. But you know, it's been a cautious thing.

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Speaker 3: I wrote a star in this last year, like you know,

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Speaker 3: he was an All Star Siakham was and was like

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Speaker 3: forty eighth or forty ninth in the league. And minutes

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Speaker 3: per game and every year the Pacers are super healthy

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, like they're very intentional about monitoring minutes

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Speaker 3: when they can, and they can't this year because they're

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Speaker 3: so hurt and they're trying to win right now. But

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Speaker 3: at some point have to be cognizantive next season. I

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Speaker 3: don't know when the time to like really think hard

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Speaker 3: about that is right like eight games in or you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we can't do this anymore, Like everybody's hurt. You have

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Speaker 3: to play somebody at the four, and his primary backups hurt.

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Speaker 3: Like the two backups to Passcalciakam right nowt his position.

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Speaker 3: One's been on the team for five days and one's

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Speaker 3: been on the team for two days, right, Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: how much can you really sit them? At the same time,

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Speaker 3: there's just a lot of factors for them to consider.

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Speaker 3: They have a back to back this weekend like that

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Speaker 3: I think will be telling. If they really go hard

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Speaker 3: and try to hammer him through this back to back,

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Speaker 3: I think they're just trying to win and use him

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Speaker 3: to do so. And if they, you know, finally start

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Speaker 3: to ease up a little on the reins because they're

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Speaker 3: one and seven and currently the worst record in the

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Speaker 3: NBA and know that they can't do this, I think

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Speaker 3: that'll be telling of their plans for maybe not the

595
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: rest of the season, but like the immediate futures they

596
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: try to steady the ship is, they'ren't going to have

597
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Speaker 3: to do it without him as much, because, I mean,

598
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Speaker 3: thirty six minutes from every night and you're still one

599
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: and seven and this season clearly has a lower ceiling

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Speaker 3: than past ones, and everybody knows why. Right now, they're

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Speaker 3: so hurt. Now you can't run him into the ground,

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Speaker 3: and when McConnell comes back will be the same thing.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of Jay hop last night?

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Speaker 3: They finally went in. I mean that sometimes some things

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Speaker 3: with him the season have been like just that. You know,

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Speaker 3: he I forget which game it was. It wasn't one

607
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Speaker 3: of the two I was not at because this weekend

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00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: I was busy. But he had four threes from the

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Speaker 3: same spot in the game, all straight on top of

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Speaker 3: the key, and they all were short. And when you

611
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: missed the same shot the same way every time, I

612
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: either immediately think like, Okay, that's a mechanical thing or

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00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: that's a mental thing, because we know these players can

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Speaker 3: shoot during in the NBA. This isn't like just run

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00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: of the mill misses. There's something going on and so

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Speaker 3: whatever it took last night. He gave credit to assistant

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Speaker 3: coach Johnny Carpenter, who he had in Memphis as well,

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Speaker 3: for this that you know, something broke through last night.

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Speaker 3: Like he took nine threes, that's the most or second

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Speaker 3: most he's taken in the game ever in his career.

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Speaker 3: Took ten once. Every other game was eight or fewer.

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Speaker 3: And he splashed in four of them, Like you could

623
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Speaker 3: tell he felt more confident and he made him right

624
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: and that's what they need him to do and be

625
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: like that. That's why in the off season and we

626
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Speaker 3: debated should this guy start? The answer so far has

627
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Speaker 3: been absolutely not. But that was the game that showed

628
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Speaker 3: the stuff that they hoped he could do, and he

629
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Speaker 3: had the blocks like he's been actually a pretty good

630
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Speaker 3: rim deterrent. When he had to go out on the

631
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: perimeter of the defense is a little more suspect, but

632
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Speaker 3: you know that that kind of game, but they hoped

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Speaker 3: to being They closed with him, right, They should have

634
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: closed with him. He was giving them the most offense.

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00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: So it's kind of the lazy answer. But for a

636
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: Pacers team that has been just so bad at the

637
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: simple part of basketball, football and basket, a player who

638
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: actually does it, you know, Sam with Shepherd last night,

639
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: it really pops. It really stands out on a team

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00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: of guys that continues to struggle or not be able

641
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: to generate the same quality of shots they have in

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00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: past season.

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Speaker 1: Tony East is our guest. By the way, Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 1: audio coming up just a couple of minutes. We'll let

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Speaker 1: you hear from the newest cult. But Tony, before I

646
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: let you go, and I.

647
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: Thing it really really excited to be here, didn't know

648
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: about the trade, loved the Jets, but really excited to

649
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: be on a contender with a great secondary.

650
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: So pretty close, setie, pretty close. Yeah, but there are

651
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: a couple of nuggets in there that were awfully saucy,

652
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: right Oohm, Tony the Isaiah Jackson. I promise we're not

653
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: going to do this every single game. But he was

654
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: obviously very good against Milwaukee. You know last night was there?

655
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Will the real Isaiah Jackson please stand up? Over the

656
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: totality of the season, you would anticipate it being closer

657
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to who.

658
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 3: The Bucks game was certainly like his absolute apex.

659
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: Right.

660
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: I don't think you should expect twenty one and seid

661
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: from my dad Jackson every night. And you know he

662
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: he just still has so many games where he just

663
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: has three or four plays where he's just like, man,

664
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: what are you like, what are you doing? Why did

665
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: you do why did you do that foul? And if

666
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna ful him, why did you do it so

667
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: softly in a way that like lets him get the

668
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: shot up? Last night he had a play where he

669
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: caught a rebound, had it there was a transition chance

670
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: for the Pacers. He looks at Taylor Peters, who's the

671
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: point guard on the floor, waves him off to go

672
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: coast to coast and then travels right, and it's like why, why,

673
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: why did that happen? You know, like on that play,

674
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: give it up to the guard, maybe you'll get it back.

675
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: Just run hard. You're really fast, you're really athletic, you're

676
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: a good player. And that's the kind of stuff that

677
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: he's just got to find a way to get out

678
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: of his game because he's shown what he talked about

679
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: how a big part of his big game against Milwaukee

680
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: was like getting back into game shape along with recovering.

681
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: Like he's played what is it eleven games now since

682
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: the start the last season or something like. He still

683
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: has a long way to go in that department. So

684
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 3: more consistency can be expected because his low lows early

685
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: in the year were really poor. Last night was like

686
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: he was four for six and had some nice plays.

687
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: You know, I think that might be a typical ish night,

688
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: maybe a little better than that. But again it's just

689
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: for him. It's all these things that are just mistakes

690
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: that you're like, that's so easy to cut out, and

691
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: he's such a passionate, kind of intense player that that

692
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: leads to a lot of them. You don't want to

693
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: reel that in because it's what makes him good at times,

694
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: but it's also what makes him have his worst plays.

695
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: So finding the balance between what he did last night,

696
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: I know what he did on Monday is going to

697
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: be the challenge for the whole season because he does

698
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: have the highest peak of any of these centers this season.

699
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: But I also think that, you know, Tony Bradley's been

700
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: more consistent. Jay Huff has skills that can kind of

701
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: add to any lineup, Like he's got to find a

702
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: way to be narrowly consistent to you know, get continue

703
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: to get the most minutes for this team.

704
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: By the way, Tony, I'm doing tonight rivia for the

705
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: Lou Garrigs, you know, for analytics, right for the Lu

706
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: Garrick Foundation lived like Lou Foundation. I'm gonna give you

707
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: a Pacers trivia question top of my head. You're ready,

708
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: on the way out, We'll see how you do. You're ready?

709
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, is this going to be in it?

710
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Uh? No, this is not one of them that I submitted.

711
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: This isn't this is a layup. I mean it's a

712
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: It's an absolute lash. It couldn't be easy. It's a

713
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: layup that scares me. You ready, Yes. The nineteen eighty

714
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: four Olympic team that was coached by Bob Knight, which

715
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: was probably the greatest amateur team of all time, featured

716
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: three future Indiana Pacers name them you sure pay?

717
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I don't think I can I truly don't

718
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: think I.

719
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: Can do this. Two were drafted by the Pacers.

720
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Reggie the second one? Tough person? Is he?

721
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: Is?

722
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: He on there?

723
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: No? Actually, I take it at four four future pacers,

724
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: four of them, so he was one of them. Uh, okay.

725
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: The two that were drafted Vern.

726
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be able to do this.

727
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: Vern Fleming, Wayman Tisdale and then a little bit more familiar,

728
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: but they were not drafted by the Pacers, but were

729
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: in the twilight of their career as pacers, Chris Mullen

730
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: and Sam Perkins.

731
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: Oh I should have got Chris Mullen chrisaub a layup

732
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: any any pre let's say, two thousand and five. NBA

733
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: history is not a lamp for me. I like very

734
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: famous and obvious players.

735
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it now. Chris Mullen, by the way,

736
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: his nickname amongst his peers shooting God God, not because

737
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: he was a god shooting the basketball, which he was,

738
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: but because he also was from New York. And that's

739
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the way that he would tell people that he was

740
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: a shooting god. There you go. There's your Chris Mullen's trivia.

741
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, appreciate the time as always, man.

742
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, enjoyed sosce Gardner.

743
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Everybody, that's right. Sauce Gardner. We will hear from him,

744
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: Zach Keifer in fifteen sauce Gardner and what he had

745
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: to say in Indianapolis. Next, sauce Gardner, that's a false

746
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: start offense. Maybe I was on a false start there

747
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: because I looked across the line and saw sauce Gardener

748
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: guarding me, and so I had to get an early

749
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: jump on it. Sauce Gardner is now a cult twenty

750
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: five years old. You know the story, you know, the

751
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: news of the trade coming from the New York Jets.

752
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Question is that sauce Gardener today met with the Indianapolis

753
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: media for the first time. Let's find out from him sauce,

754
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: exactly how and when did you find out that no

755
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: longer were you a New York Jet or a cult

756
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: were you looking for a trade? Take us through how

757
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: it all went down.

758
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: I actually was laying in the bed with my girl

759
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 5: and I was just chilling. I just got a call

760
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 5: from a Mouji, the gym for the Jets, and you know,

761
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 5: obviously the trade day lone was coming up. So I

762
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: was just like, please let it be like my ideal situation, Like,

763
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 5: I don't want to go to a losing team. I

764
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 5: don't want to go to a team that's like on

765
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 5: the other side of the world. I was able to

766
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 5: come when he told me the Coats like, no, obviously

767
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 5: I got drafted and everything like that, but I want

768
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: to win and things like that. So it was like,

769
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: this was a great situation, obviously knowing a few guys

770
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: on a team, already being closer to home, being closer

771
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: to where I went to college, Like, oh, God, just

772
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 5: keep blessing me in any ways, so you know, it's

773
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: truly a blessing to be here in my favorite color blue.

774
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 6: So you know, this this worked out perfectly.

775
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind that when he talked about knowing

776
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: guys with the Colts and playing collegiately, played at Cincinnati

777
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: with Alec Pearce, saw him often in practice a native

778
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: of the state of Michigan, so in that regard for

779
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner in fact closer to home. But the Jets

780
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: did not think that they would be obviously getting ready

781
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: five days ago sauce Gardner that he would be heading

782
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: to Atlanta or excuse me, to Germany to take on Atlanta.

783
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: So how do you prepare when you go from thinking

784
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: that you're with one team that is just simply trying

785
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: to find footing to now another team that's trying to

786
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: make a push. Sauce Gardner. The difference, I guess in

787
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: preparation now in with a new team, new week, and

788
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: new franchise, to.

789
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: Go out there and ball, you know, go out there

790
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: and just be vocal, you know, make it like I've

791
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: been here already.

792
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: I got been here.

793
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 5: So you know, that's that's the main thing for me,

794
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 5: not being somebody whereas like you got to over communicate

795
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: to me because you might think that I don't know

796
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 5: what we plan and stuff like that is my job

797
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 5: to you know, to get everything and understand everything that

798
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: we're about to play on Sunday in the short send

799
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: of time that I have.

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00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Twenty five year old Sauce Gardner, now a member of

801
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, will wear jersey number one after his

802
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: time with the New York Jets and the University of Cincinnati.

803
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: One thing about anybody that plays at that corner position,

804
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: but certainly one that can cover the way Gardner does.

805
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: He is flat out athletic. And speaking of athletic, that

806
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: is the place of employment now of our next guest,

807
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: Zach Keeper, who is their national writer for the NFL,

808
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: and he joins us next. The poll is still up.

809
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know how it came to be that

810
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: we were doing it, but who is the bigger band?

811
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: And I don't really have like I mean, I'm fine

812
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: either way with which you know, sometimes with these I

813
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: get like, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm telling you.

814
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: We were discussing yesterday I played bon Jovi coming back

815
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: to ron a break and he was like, is that

816
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: the biggest you know, artist or band that I haven't

817
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: seen that you, as in Jake, have not seen in person?

818
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: And you mentioned ac DC and you mentioned metal Wika.

819
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: That led to that debate.

820
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: So that became the question of which is the bigger band,

821
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: the more iconic band, the more legendary band, the bigger act,

822
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: the bigger artist, ac DC or Metallica. And we've got

823
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: that up right now on the ex post Twitter. An

824
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: hour and forty two minutes left to vote and right

825
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: now starting to pull one of the two is starting

826
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: to pull away, well, asked Zach Key. For from the

827
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: Athletic he joins us on the Java House Peel and

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00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: poor guest line your thoughts, Zach, bigger band ac DC, Metallica, Metallica? Yeah, Jennifer.

829
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Speaker 4: For any of your listeners out there that went to

830
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: Mi Alma Mater, Hamilton Southeastern, it was only Metallica in

831
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: the athletic weight room for all four years, every day,

832
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: and so it just kind of it was embedded in

833
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: my head that that's that's what you lift weights too?

834
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: Is Metallica?

835
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: Now I don't know that, Zach. I don't mean this

836
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: as any sort of a knock, but by looking at you,

837
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious. My first question would be, how do you

838
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: know what music they were playing in the weight room?

839
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jake, this is you're cutting deep. Hey, Hey, the

840
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: All State Cross country team. We had to lift weight too.

841
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say they had treadmills in there,

842
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: and that's how you were able to run the drumstick

843
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: dash in four and a half minutes.

844
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: Right, I'm just getting I'm hopping on the radio and

845
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm just getting chilled right away.

846
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm telling you you win. Are you doing

847
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the drumstick dash this year?

848
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I am.

849
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to show you the trophy after I win.

850
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you getting? You got The problem is you

851
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: gotta wait thirty five minutes for me to get there.

852
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: But then, yes, that'd be fine, right.

853
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: I will make sure that.

854
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Hey, Zach, let's begin with this. You know, the the

855
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: easy question here would be, hey, you know, Sauce Gardner,

856
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: what does this mean for the Colts? Defensively, I'm going

857
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: to go a little bit deeper with that because you

858
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: have been around this franchise and obviously now you cover

859
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, all of the franchises for the Athletic, but

860
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: you've got a deep history in covering the Colts. And

861
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: my first thought when I saw this move from Chris

862
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: Ballard was I began to wonder whether or not was

863
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: this Chris Ballard pushing all in because he finally feels

864
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: like his team is on the doorstep. Or is this

865
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard pushing all in because he no longer has

866
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: any sort of a pushback on moves he can make

867
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: at the deadline?

868
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: Interesting thought. I want to start here because you know,

869
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: we get all wrapped up in the players that move

870
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: on the deadline. This was a very active one for sure, right,

871
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 4: the most active we had in maybe twenty thirty years

872
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: across the league. But it's less about the players that

873
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 4: are moving in more about the teams and what these

874
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: moves say about what these teams think of themselves. Right,

875
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: So we've seen a very discernible shift and how Chris

876
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: Ballard does business. And I want to go back to

877
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: the one that got away. Now, this player wouldn't have

878
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: changed the franchise, but he would have been a baller here.

879
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 4: And his name is Danil Hunter, and the Colts were

880
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: really really high on him. They gave him, They offered

881
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 4: him more money in free agency a couple of years

882
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: ago than he eventually took with the Texas. And I

883
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: think that burned at Chris Ballard. I think that burned

884
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: at him that he didn't get that over the finish line.

885
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: And of course they had a disappointing season last year,

886
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: and what did they do. You've seen a very discernible

887
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: shift in the way they've gone after free agents and

888
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: outside help. This dude was stubborn. Chris Ballard was stubborn.

889
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: He's admitted that he thought he could draft and develop.

890
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: And the only area he's really had a huge, glaring

891
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: hole of success in besides the quarterback that's a different conversation,

892
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: was the dB root, which is interesting because that's the

893
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: position he coached when he was a coach in Texas

894
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: years and years ago. But he goes out and basically

895
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: buys the secondary and can Binam and Mooney Ward and

896
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: now with the biggest of all unsoft Gardner. So you know,

897
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: this tells you that they don't trust their secondary as is,

898
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 4: and a big part of that injuries. But it also

899
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 4: tells you that they've learned from coming close and missing.

900
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: And if you look at all the Super Bowl champions

901
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 4: of the last five or six years, all those teams

902
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 4: and I'm starting with the most recent, the Philadelphia Eagles

903
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 4: have been prone to risk. They have risked it, they

904
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: have put their chips in they have made big moves,

905
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 4: and the Colts have resisted that for a long time.

906
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: You're seeing a big shift. This is not Chris Baler's personality,

907
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: at least when he got here, but it's paying off

908
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: right now, and I think this is a reflection of

909
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: where they feel this team is at.

910
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Do you believe Zach Zach keep for our guest, he's

911
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: on the job house Peel and poor guest line, he's

912
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: a writer of the NFL for the athletic Do you

913
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: believe that with Carli ers Gordon that she is an

914
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: actively aggressive owner who was saying, let's go, let's push

915
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: this in now. Or is she more of a hands

916
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: off owner who has said, you are the general manager,

917
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: I trust that you can make the right decisions and

918
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: you do as you as you see fit.

919
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 4: I think it's the latter, Jake. I think she's been

920
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: around this team for a long time to know that

921
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 4: you don't input yourself on personnel decisions very often. Now.

922
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: Her dad was all over the place right like, he

923
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: was out there championing the trade for Trent Richardson right

924
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: after that happened, saying Grigson's role in the dice, I

925
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 4: love it, And then he was the guy saying, Frank

926
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: Wright go home. I want to bring in Jeff Saturday

927
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: because he blocked the Bears in the Super Bowl, right,

928
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 4: So he was impetuous. He was impulsive, but he was

929
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 4: also really patient at times, and you know, he really

930
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: wanted to keep Chuck Pagano longer than he needed to. So,

931
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: you know, Jim Mersey was was very aggressive, but he

932
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: was also a very stand offish and let the GM

933
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: do his thing for times. I think Carly is going

934
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 4: to stay out of that. I think she's going to

935
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: support her GM. But I think I think it's been

936
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: a nice change of pace for them. This was not

937
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: you know, from my understanding from talking to people, this

938
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: was not something that just happened Monday and Tuesday. This

939
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 4: was something the Colts were looking at for weeks and weeks.

940
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: They knew where they wanted to attack, They knew they

941
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 4: wanted to get better than the secondary. And I think

942
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: when Carly looks at her team, she likes the pieces.

943
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: They like Daniel Jones, even despite the dud that was

944
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: Sunday in Pittsburgh, and they feel like they you know,

945
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 4: if you look at the NFL right now, especially the AFC,

946
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: all the contenders are flawed, like the doors wide open

947
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 4: and the Colts making a playoff run as crazy as

948
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: it sounds on November fifth or sixth, like I could

949
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: see it. I could see this team doing it the

950
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: way the offense has played for the most part.

951
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: Well, you go back to, for example, you know Hunter

952
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: who is now in Houston as a defensive end. Okay,

953
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: so if that's the one, and I think that Ballard,

954
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: tell me if you agree with this, Zach, he still

955
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: was trying to get even though the is starting to

956
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: show a little bit of life here. And you know,

957
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: we know DeForest Buckner is a good player, and I

958
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: think you and I would agree Quitt he pay. He's

959
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: a guy. He's okay, he's not you know, he's a guy, right.

960
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: But I think that my assessment would be that Ballard

961
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: was still trying to find that Danil Hunter out there

962
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: or somebody he could get to make a splash online,

963
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: but once he knew he couldn't, or they're just you know,

964
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: each rock that he turned didn't have anything underneath it.

965
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Then he said, you know what, I can get plays

966
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: out of leaut tou latu for example, that are covered

967
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: sacks if I can lock down the other side and

968
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: just make it so that quarterbacks are statues. You agree

969
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: with that thought process or the timeline of how that

970
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: took place.

971
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. That's probably exactly what happened.

972
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: And the reality is, and every fan out there knows this.

973
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 4: I mean, Chris Ballard lives for the defensive line, like

974
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 4: it's this family. Like he is obsessed with the sense

975
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: of line. He wants eight or nine really good guys,

976
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: and he's invested in that position so much over the years.

977
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: Now he hits a lot of times. He's had a

978
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: couple of misses, but you're talking first round picks, and

979
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: Latto and Corey pay second round picks in dioh first

980
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: round picks in Buckner in the trade that they sent him,

981
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: you know, to get San Francisco's pick, you know. So

982
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 4: it's like he just keeps pouring into that position, waiting

983
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: for the returns. Right, and and this is part about DNA, Right,

984
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: He's going to go all in on the line because

985
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: he thinks that wins in January and February and probably

986
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: late December two. Now the Colts have not done that.

987
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: They've not done that since. But you know, the first

988
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: real success he had in Indye was remaking the offensive

989
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: line that first year they made that divisional playoff run

990
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: with Andrew Lucke at the quarterback. So he's going to

991
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: keep pouring into that. Those guys are tough to find.

992
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 4: Latto's coming on. But like you said, it makes perfect sense.

993
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: If you're not going to get one of those guys,

994
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: how do you got how do you make those guys better? Right?

995
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: You you find a lockdown corner who can play on

996
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: an island, who can get you into more man coverage,

997
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: who can make the quarterback hold on to it a

998
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 4: little bit longer. And then you got to guy like

999
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 4: Quitty pay who can get home lots who can get home.

1000
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: Buckner's playing tremendous. So they got a bunch of guys,

1001
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: and this is him investing in his favorite position, right

1002
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: defensive line, by going out and getting a great corner.

1003
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: Zach, who would you say are the Colts five best defenders?

1004
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: The five best players on the Colts defense if you

1005
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: were to ask Chris Ballard if they had I'll put

1006
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: it to you this way. If the NFL tomorrow decides

1007
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: to have a new they're going to put a team

1008
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: in Austin Texas and there's gonna be an expansion draft,

1009
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: and they tell the Indianapolis Colts we're doing it unusual

1010
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: this year. You cannot protect any players. Every player on

1011
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: your roster is open season. What are the five players

1012
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: on defense that Chris Ballard would be most worried are

1013
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: going to be plucked away? Because they're the five best

1014
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: defenders the Colts have.

1015
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to start with Buckner. He's been playing great.

1016
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Kenny Moore right behind him because

1017
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: he's so versatile.

1018
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

1019
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: I tempted to throw Grover Stewart in there because he

1020
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 4: just bottles so much up right now. The other guy

1021
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: is Ward, who's not playing right now, right, I mean,

1022
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: come on, it's like a freak injury in a warm up.

1023
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: I mean, Gardner's on there. Gardener's on there right now for.

1024
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: Sure, and buying them would he be the last one

1025
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: I would lean Zaire.

1026
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: I would lean Zire Franklin because the linebackers are not

1027
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: great without him, but bid them has been great as well.

1028
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's a good group.

1029
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: Okay. So here's why I mention it. Everybody we mentioned,

1030
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: but two, we're drafted elsewhere and then acquired by Indianapolis.

1031
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Do we see that as a critique of Indianapolis or

1032
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: as a kudos to Chris Ballard for saying, you know what,

1033
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you get him, you just got

1034
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: to go get them.

1035
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: Two years ago. It's a fair and worthy critique. It

1036
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: absolutely is. I wrote it, I asked about it. It

1037
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: was very real. I don't want to not Chris Ballard

1038
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: for certain things like the Kenny Moore move, because Taymore

1039
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: was nobody. He was cut from the Patriots, and I

1040
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: mean he's essentially a Colts draft pick, if that makes sense.

1041
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: He's essentially a guy who made his entire career in

1042
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: this city. He's been rewarded with two contracts that matters.

1043
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: You know, the Buckner trade was gutsy, Like that was

1044
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: gutsy at that time to send a first round pick

1045
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 4: for defensive tackle. He's been one of the best in

1046
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: the league for the last five or six years. But

1047
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: right now I think you're seeing the payoff for a

1048
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 4: shift in philosophy for a GM who understood that he

1049
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 4: just wasn't getting it done in the secondary. I mean,

1050
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: I'm all enough to remember when they drafted Rocky Scene

1051
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 4: in the second round, Like he was supposed to be

1052
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: a guy that was going to be here for a

1053
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: long time and he just never became that guy. They

1054
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 4: have just not had success drafting and developing corners, and

1055
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: it's a brutal position. It's a huge injury rate. These

1056
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: guys always get hurt. And the guys that are really special,

1057
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 4: like the guys that are really really really good, are

1058
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: just there's like four of them. There's like certain and

1059
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 4: Denver and Sauce. Gardner is one of those guys. And

1060
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 4: I loved watching and talking to Steph gilmore or when

1061
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 4: he was here. Now, the season was an utter disaster,

1062
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: but that guy was lockdown for stretches and he was

1063
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 4: even better before that in New England. But again, that

1064
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 4: was a guy they brought in late and he was

1065
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: good for them in a disastrous season. But for the

1066
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: most part, their success in the secondary is because they've

1067
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: gone out and got guys from other teams.

1068
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: Crazy to say because he's only twenty five years old, Zach,

1069
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that I believe this, but I'm

1070
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: curious of what you hear elsewise, because Za Keeper, you know,

1071
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: with the athletic you now are covering more than just

1072
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: a Colts. I mean you're talking to and you're around

1073
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: different franchises. You can add probably even more perspective to

1074
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: the kaleidoscope. Did Sauce Gardner for the Frat? Is he

1075
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: starting to show any hint whatsoever of that kind of

1076
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: dip that corners can go through? You know what?

1077
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 4: Jake he plays for the New York Jets, and I'm

1078
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: willing to just kind of throw out that context because

1079
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 4: it's like, how do you have success for that team?

1080
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he was an All Pro his first two

1081
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 4: seasons and he hasn't been lately. Does that mean he's dipped?

1082
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 4: He doesn't have a lot of interceptions, But they also

1083
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: don't throw his way. So I feel like, more than

1084
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 4: any other position besides maybe quarterback, you have to weigh

1085
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: the context of what's going on around them. I mean,

1086
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: the Jets defense, because their offense is so bad, is

1087
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 4: going to be on the field way more than your

1088
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: average defense. Now, the Colts see a really good player

1089
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: who they think can be great, and the other avenue

1090
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: is this is look, they gave up two first round picks,

1091
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: which is a lot, which is the most they've ever

1092
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: given up in the ballid era. But this is a

1093
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 4: team that has seven picks next year and they'll probably

1094
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 4: turn those into eight or nine, right, They always seem

1095
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: to do that. And the other part is the contract

1096
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 4: is kind of like stunningly manageable for the next five years.

1097
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: If you can get a lockdown corner roughly twenty million

1098
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 4: a year, they're paying them hardly nothing this year. It

1099
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: just makes sense that that's a gamble we're taking. And

1100
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 4: then you piece together this secondary. So what does it

1101
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 4: look like right now? Right, they're banged up all season,

1102
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: they've been playing with leads, which has helped. But they've

1103
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: got Gardner, they've got Kenny Moore on the inside, They've

1104
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: got you know, Binnum and Nick Cross in the back end.

1105
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 4: I haven't even mentioned Ward, who's been tremendous, Like all

1106
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it's not crazy to say that could

1107
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: be one of the better secondaries in the NFL, which

1108
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 4: is something I haven't said about the Indianapolis Colts and

1109
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 4: god knows how long. So it's a piece to a puzzle.

1110
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: It's a piece to a puzzle. And the Colts knew,

1111
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 4: they knew this was not a player they were ever

1112
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: going to be able to get on the free agent.

1113
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: Market, and would you agree with the fact that it

1114
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: symbolizes or would appear as though this is the last

1115
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: piece of evidence we need to know that they believe

1116
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the quarterback of the future for them

1117
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: because they sent two first rounders out.

1118
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was my second thought was, Okay,

1119
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: you do not give up two first round picks over

1120
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: the next two years if you think you're in the

1121
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 4: market for a quarterback. It's that symbol. It screams that

1122
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: to me. I think you're going to look at a

1123
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: three year, let's say, one hundred and ten millionion dollar

1124
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 4: deal for Daniel Jones, right. I think they get it

1125
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: done before before free agency starts. This is Jake barring

1126
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 4: a collapse, a terrible fall off the clip type December

1127
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: for Daniel Jones. I don't see it happening. Everything they've

1128
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: said about the Pittsburgh game seems to think that, you know,

1129
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 4: this guy is still our guy. There's nothing wavering in

1130
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 4: their thoughts. He still threw for three hundred and forty yards.

1131
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he still had some really nice plays. Some

1132
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 4: of the interception turnovers weren't on him. Some of them

1133
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: certainly were, But I think you know. And this is

1134
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: going back to something Chris Ballard told me this summer. Right,

1135
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: If Daniel Jones going to be the long term guy

1136
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: in Indy, I don't know. It's too early to know,

1137
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: but he said something interesting when we were talking about

1138
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and young quarterbacks. He said, it's a lot easier

1139
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: to find the guy when you have a guy. So

1140
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is that guy right now that can be

1141
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: here for three or four years, who can get you

1142
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, who can win you to the division,

1143
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 4: which is something the Colts haven't done in eleven years. Right,

1144
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 4: That's a really nice thing to have in place while

1145
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 4: you serve for the next young guy. They haven't had

1146
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: that luxury because they've been always turning through this wheel

1147
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks looking for the next guy, which really put

1148
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 4: them in the position in twenty three to just we

1149
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: have to go get someone. We have to draft this

1150
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: kid Anthony Richardson right now because we like him more

1151
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 4: than Will Levice, which is just a terrible place to

1152
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: be in. So I think getting that done, which I

1153
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: think they will, barring a huge change, allows them flexibility

1154
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: to look for the long term answer, whether it's him

1155
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 4: or some rookie that we don't even know about.

1156
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: By the way, Zach, when you sign your name, do

1157
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: you go with the cursive Z or just the big

1158
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: like zorro z because that's a fun letter. But the

1159
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: cursive Z is kind of a cool one to do.

1160
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: But I'm curious what you go with.

1161
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: I do go with the cursive one. I do the

1162
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: cursive one that looks like a three.

1163
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fun though, right, I mean, And

1164
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: what's even more interesting about that is now And I

1165
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this. I just read yesterday

1166
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: an interesting statistic. Ninety seven point eight percent of all

1167
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: people under the age of forty don't even know whether

1168
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: the cursive Z is right.

1169
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even think, Like, my kids are learning

1170
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: to read and write in school right now, and I

1171
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 4: don't even think they. I don't think they're going to

1172
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: learn cursor, which is kind of sad because there's a

1173
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: lot of cool letters that make for really cool autographs.

1174
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: There's no question, right, all right, I was just curious

1175
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: about that. I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Z. They're

1176
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: just like I don't know if I was if I

1177
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: had the initials, you know, I had I used to

1178
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: wear all the time stuff with the letter Q. And

1179
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: then the QAnon folk came along and it ruined it

1180
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: all for me.

1181
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're done. Yeah, you're done.

1182
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a habit with just a letter Q

1183
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: on it, right, and I thought, well, this will be

1184
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: my hat. And and all of a sudden people started

1185
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: coming up to me and asking me about the Aninaki

1186
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: and the aliens and stuff, and I'm like, what's going

1187
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: on here?

1188
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and you're You're already a guy that's

1189
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 4: like kind of into conspiracies to some degree, So that's

1190
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 4: just going to like further the.

1191
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: Kind of I'm not in no, no, no, no, I'm

1192
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: a critical thinker, but I think all of these people

1193
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: are whack jobs, is what I'm getting at.

1194
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: Correct. Correct, But your hat's not. You're not.

1195
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: But by the way, I don't know if you know

1196
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: this or not, but that JFK. Junior is going to

1197
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: be on the thirty two ballot.

1198
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

1199
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Eddie? I don't know if you knew that or not. Okay, Zach,

1200
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: before we let you go, since you are an NFL writer,

1201
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things that I do. Okay, we're

1202
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna come up with three teams here. One is the

1203
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: team that you're like, I'm pretty sure that they're not

1204
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: very good and I thought they were going to be.

1205
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: One is the team not named Indianapolis that you're like,

1206
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were going to be good, but

1207
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: we now need to give them their flowers. They're good.

1208
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: And the third is don't let the record fool you.

1209
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: The real version of them has yet to stand up.

1210
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: Let's begin with the first one, which is give me

1211
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: the team that you're like. I think there's now enough

1212
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: body of work to say it just ain't their year.

1213
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: They're not good this year.

1214
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to start with the team the culture playing

1215
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: Sunday in Berlin, like the Falcons, Like what are the

1216
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 4: Falcons doing? Like who are you?

1217
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Like?

1218
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 4: What do you do well? Like how do you beat

1219
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 4: the Bills on Monday Night? But then lose to the

1220
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 4: Panthers by thirty? You know, Like they're just a team

1221
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: that I if I was a Falcon saying, I would

1222
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: just be miserable because they have flashes of talent. They

1223
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: have one of the best players in the league and

1224
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 4: Bjon Robinson Michael Pennick throws a beautiful ball, but they

1225
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 4: just keep stubbing their toe, and I'm just like, they

1226
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: just keep running the cycle of mediocrity, and I just

1227
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: feel like like what are you like, what are you doing?

1228
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1229
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: Well? What's funny is to go back to my question

1230
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: of the expanse, you know, the theoretical expansion draft, the Falcons,

1231
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 1: at least offensively might have two of like the top

1232
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: twenty players selected. Right, Yeah, I mean they've got some

1233
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: go right.

1234
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 4: But they just like they have no system identity, and

1235
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: like there are games where Bijon doesn't get many touches,

1236
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 4: Slash doesn't produce, and it's just like I feel like

1237
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 4: they get the big games and then like they'll have

1238
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: a dud every other Sunday, and it's just like I

1239
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: just hate the teams that are not consistent, like be

1240
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: something every week, and just I just they're just so

1241
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: easy not to believe in.

1242
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, give me a team that at the beginning

1243
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: of the year you anticipate they were going to be

1244
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: a legit playoff contender, and you look at it now

1245
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: and they've gotten to a slow start, and you say,

1246
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: you know what, I think we just need to accept

1247
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the fact, like Atlanta is enigmatic, right, give me the

1248
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: one that you're now definitive. You're like, I can pull

1249
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: the Miles Turner and close the book on them this year.

1250
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 4: You know, that's tough because it's just so hard to like,

1251
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: I'm tempted to say k C because now that's not

1252
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 4: to say I don't believe in them making the playoffs,

1253
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: but the road is going to be really hard. Like

1254
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 4: if you look at that division, the Chiefs are in

1255
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 4: third place in the division. They're losing all these one

1256
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 4: score games after going eleven to zero and one score

1257
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 4: games last year. The offense is good, the defense is good,

1258
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: and it's leaky, and they gotta beat the Chargers. The

1259
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: Broncos keep winning. The Broncos keep winning these one score games.

1260
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you right now, it would not stun

1261
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 4: me if the Chiefs are in some do or give

1262
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 4: games and let's say early January, late December that they

1263
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 4: have to win to make in the playoffs. And again

1264
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 4: they losing a couple of weeks to the Colts because

1265
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to stop Jonathan Taylor and the Colts.

1266
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 4: And I was in KC this summer and I was

1267
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 4: talking with some of the Casey riders and they said,

1268
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: you know which team has sort of been a kryptonite

1269
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: for Patrick Mahomes, The Indianapolis Colts.

1270
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: Only team he has yet to beat the regular season, Right.

1271
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean think about this. Think about the quarterbacks

1272
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 4: that have beat Mahomes from the Colts, Jacobe Brissett in

1273
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 4: that nineteen to nine game on Sunday Night Football where

1274
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 4: Marlon Mack went crazy. Matt Ryan first win as an

1275
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts quarterback, one of his only wins as a

1276
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: Colts quarterback, was a win over Patrick Mahomes at Lucas

1277
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 4: Oil Stadium. So there's this strange text. Now, I know

1278
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 4: Mahomes won the playoff game against Luck years ago, but

1279
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 4: I'm not sold on KC being in the dance Sasu.

1280
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Washington to me is intriguing because the commanders are

1281
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: one that I and I know that Daniels has been hurt,

1282
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Speaker 1: but I look at Washington and I go, I thought

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Speaker 1: they were going to be decent, and I think now

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Speaker 1: we can say that they're not very good. Agreed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was there in camp and I'm telling you, Jake,

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Speaker 4: they were saying like, this is the most anticipated season

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Speaker 4: for this team in twenty five years, and leaved it,

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Speaker 4: but the reality is they gave up fifty five points

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Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship Game. The defense wasn't good last year.

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Speaker 4: They they played a really soft schedule. They won some

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Speaker 4: games late. Jaden was great, but he's been hurt, and

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Speaker 4: it was just kind of like a come back to

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Speaker 4: life year. You could kind of feel it in the

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Speaker 4: preseason that they were just not going to be there

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Speaker 4: as NFC contenders at the end.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Zach, I don't know if you've ever done this,

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Speaker 1: but you go to a discount store and you see

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Speaker 1: the Detergent and you're like, wow, tied for a buck

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, I got to buy that. And then you

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Speaker 1: get home and you realize what you bought was Tita

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Speaker 1: and like the A looks like the E, right, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, okay, looks like Detergent, but not give me

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Speaker 1: the team that by record, they look like a contender,

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Speaker 1: But deep down you do a deep, deep, deep look

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Speaker 1: at it, and you go E and now fools gold.

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Speaker 4: I'm tempted to say Baltimore, and I know their record

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Speaker 4: is not staying their contender, but look at they're scheduled.

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Speaker 4: They're going to go on a run here they're going

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Speaker 4: to go on a run because they don't play anyone

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Speaker 4: good for the next five or six weeks. I'm not

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Speaker 4: ruling out like a seven to one, eight and one

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Speaker 4: midseason run from Lamar Jackson. I still don't trust the defense,

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Speaker 4: and I think that I think that first game in

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Speaker 4: Buffalo is an omen. I think the way they collapse

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Speaker 4: was an omen. I just don't think even if they

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Speaker 4: get past Pittsburgh. Pittsbord might be another answer. I still

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Speaker 4: don't believe in Pittsburgh. I just don't believe in these NFC,

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Speaker 4: AFC NOR teams. But I just don't think Baltimore has

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Speaker 4: the stuff to get over the hump this year. Even

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Speaker 4: if they make this great run and have a lot

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Speaker 4: of people talking about how hot they aren't going into January.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go with man. I hate to say this

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Speaker 1: because I like them, but I'll go with Seattle on

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Speaker 1: this one.

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Speaker 7: Oh they're good, They're good.

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Speaker 1: No, I like them, and listen, I like and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great story. And what you know Darnold's

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Speaker 1: doing there in their uniform. I mean, I've always kind

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Speaker 1: of liked Seattle, but I'm just for whatever reason I

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Speaker 1: have a hard time accepting it.

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Speaker 4: Well, they're the second best team in the division. I

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Speaker 4: think the Rams are one of the best teams in

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Speaker 4: the league and no one's talking about it. I'm kind

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Speaker 4: of surprised you didn't say the Colts. I mean, seven

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Speaker 4: and two, does it feel like they're seven to two?

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Speaker 4: They'd beat up a lot of bad teams.

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Speaker 1: We're going to find out here, right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna get real once they get back from Germany. And

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Speaker 1: then you got that stretch where you got Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: you know, Houston and Jacksonville, but you have to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: who I mentioned in San Francisco right there as you

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Speaker 1: turn into December. So we'll see. We're going to find out, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I think Houston's really big for

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Speaker 4: this team. And I know that the Texans don't have

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 4: a good record this year, but that's the biggest speed

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Speaker 4: bump in the division over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville is a good team as well, But I think

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Speaker 4: the mental hurdle of making those final few plays and

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01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 4: games against the Texans is really big. Remember a lot

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Speaker 4: of those games came down to one or two plays,

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Speaker 4: and the Texans always made them, so if the colts

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Speaker 4: get over that hump, I'm going to start to buy them, Zach.

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Speaker 1: I'll see at the starting line for the drumstick Dash,

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Speaker 1: and by the time we get to broader poltans, you'll

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Speaker 1: be long, long, long ahead of me. But I'll at

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Speaker 1: least see at the starting line.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you an autograph afterwards.

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Speaker 1: With that's right, I'll check out the cursive. Z It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since I've seen one. Appreciate it as

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Speaker 1: always man, all right, Zach Keeper from the Athletic joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Java House Peel and Port gas line.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind Jake twenty five the discount code for

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Speaker 1: five of the fan in the search bar, and it

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Speaker 1: The liquid Science, whether it be Arctic freeze or orange

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Speaker 1: hydration drink. Put that rite in water after workout. Fabulous

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Speaker 1: And of course the Colombian Coldbrew coffee also works with

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Speaker 1: hot brew coffee if that is your choice. Last night

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Speaker 1: I was in Bloomington Hoosiers Darren Devrees and his debut

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Speaker 1: as the head basketball coach at Indiana. We will discuss

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Speaker 1: next So last night, thank you to Zach keyfer by

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Speaker 1: the way went down to Bloomington. It had been I

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Speaker 1: had to think about this and it doesn't really have

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: any bearing or impact on the analysis of the basketball

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: team other than to say when I was, and I

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01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: think everybody knows this, I mean, growing up, my sports

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: fandom one, two, three, four and five was Indiana basketball.

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: I love the Pacers for certain, but all of it

1381
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: was a fraction compared to the level of almost cult

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01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: like following that I had for Indiana basketball and part

1383
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: of Indiana basketball. And when I say Indiana basketball, I

1384
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: mean I you Indiana University, part of what as an

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: IU fan in the glory hears back and coach not

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: in that era, but part of it. To buy into

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Speaker 1: all of that, and people that watch it back then

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: will understand what I mean. There was this appreciation and

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Speaker 1: love and almost pride in the fact that it was

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Speaker 1: the program that was the anomaly. It was the program

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Speaker 1: that and I mean, you know, you didn't have nil

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: and all that stuff and transfer portal and all that

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Speaker 1: in the eighties, nineties, you know, into the early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: but Indiana Assembly hall had a simplicity about it, It

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Speaker 1: had a purity about it. It was just one scoreboard

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01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: that told you the score and the clock, and then

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: it was a pep band and one operatic guy that

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Speaker 1: came out and did the national anthem, and that was it.

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Speaker 1: And obviously over the course of time that has all

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Speaker 1: changed for the better. I mean, it's not a bad thing,

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: but the point simply being that when you go to

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Speaker 1: a game now.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Crab on the case, Chuck Crab sophomore. That's exactly correct.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the simplicity of it, all right, I mean,

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: Chuck Crab is the perfect It's a perfect point, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: I should have mentioned three point basket. Three points. And

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Speaker 1: then my favorite tradition. Every year, twice a year, the

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: Indiana State Police reminds us that snow has falling over

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01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: the course of the game, please drive carefully, and the

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Speaker 1: all of it. It just it made INDI end there

1411
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: was a difference about it. And you go to a

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: game now and there's a massive scoreboard and hype videos

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01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: and DJ playing and the Bison running around, and I

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: got admit, I'm kind of down with the Bison, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm I'm cool with the Bison mascots.

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: Did you meet?

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Speaker 1: Did not meet the bison?

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Speaker 2: Did you Mike Nisilek yesterday?

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Speaker 1: You know what? I did not? I saw zach Ostroman Osterman,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't I didn't see and I was in

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Speaker 1: the press room also, so Anthony Calla did not see Nisick.

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Speaker 1: But we went down. And the long winded point I'm

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Speaker 1: making is this change is is inevitable even with the

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Speaker 1: things that we consider to be the most traditional and forever,

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Speaker 1: for example, forever with Indiana, it has been about you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is we don't need signage, and we don't need

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Speaker 1: glitz and glamour, and the uniforms are traditional, and the

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Speaker 1: name on the front's more important than the name on

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Speaker 1: the back, and all of that, I get it. And

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Speaker 1: the last thing there that I mentioned is kind of

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Speaker 1: the last sacred ground of no names on the back

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Speaker 1: of the jersey. And I have to admit last night

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Speaker 1: as I was watching it, and I was watching the

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Speaker 1: bison running around, and at one point and I went

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Speaker 1: with doctor White, my high school principal and a pillar

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Speaker 1: of this city. And he is the or at least

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Speaker 1: at the time of his graduation I don't know about now,

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01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: but he was the all time leading scorer at Alabama

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Speaker 1: A and M and basketball, and he's in their Athletic

1441
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And that's who Indiana was playing last night.

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Speaker 1: And so we go to the game, and he's wanting

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: to see Alabama A and M. But he knows basketball

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Speaker 1: through and through and through and coached all of it

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Speaker 1: and everything else. So he also knows Indiana basketball and

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: about IU and we're watching it and at one point

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01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: he says to me, now, who is the number four

1448
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: for Indiana? Which is Sam Alexis? And I'm thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain, And they don't have names on the back,

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Speaker 1: and it almost feels like they need them because the

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Speaker 1: roster itself for Indiana it is entirely redone now Trent

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01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: Sisley obviously a true freshman in that regard, but Reed

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: Bailey and Hayton Connorway and Lamar Wilkerson and Conner Inwright.

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Speaker 1: These are all new faces that it almost seems fitting

1455
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: because everything just feels new if you are like me

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01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: of the old traditional guard in Indiana. And that's not

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01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: a bad thing in terms of the way that they played.

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Speaker 1: Let me begin with this Lamar Wilkerson will be a

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Speaker 1: guy that Indiana fans are gonna love. Now. Conner Inwright

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: has kind of that TJ McConnell element about him, who

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Speaker 1: was the kid at Ohio State that every but he

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Speaker 1: couldn't stand that had the rosy Aaron Craft, Chris Kramer,

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Speaker 1: you know, the bulldog. Time we were driving down and

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Speaker 1: Doctor White and I are talking about basketball and sports

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: in general, and like when he was a player, and

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Speaker 1: and he said to me, He's like, man, you know

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Speaker 1: so many guys. You can see the physical gifts, but

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Speaker 1: they just don't have that dog in them. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: that's what I love about TJ. McConnell for the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: He's just a dog, you know. And and you know

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant was just a dog. And Connor Enwright feels

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Speaker 1: that way for Indiana. But the entire roster. The two

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Speaker 1: things that I noticed last night, and in Darren Devrees's

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Speaker 1: group number one, it is true they have multiple players

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Speaker 1: that can shoot. Tucker Devrees does not need a lot

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Speaker 1: of time to get his to get a good look

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Speaker 1: on the three point line. And Lamar Wilkerson is he

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 1: has a an ability, he has a ball handling quickness

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01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: that allows him to step back and get him elf.

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: He can create his own look, but he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: Wilkerson to create. And he's a light I could tell

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01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: it right now. He's a lightning in a bottle shooter.

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: He is Lamar Wilkerson. Dare I say it has a

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01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: little bit of Carson Edwards in him where he is

1485
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: a heat check guy where all of a sudden it's

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01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: like here it comes, and you can just tell he

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: can score in bunches. And I think this year for Indiana,

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: you're going to see times where Lamar Wilkerson is scoring

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: in bunches for them. And in Right is the guy

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of the antagonist defensively and also just kind

1491
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: of lifts people with this demeanor about him, kind of

1492
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: the dog right And Dvrees is a guy Tucker devrees

1493
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: that he doesn't need a lot of time. I mean

1494
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: he can come off a curl and turn and shoot

1495
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: and doesn't need a lot of time to have to

1496
01:14:54,760 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: square himself the rest of the roster. What I I

1497
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: noticed is they space themselves very well, they move the ball,

1498
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: they do a very good job. And I don't know

1499
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: that this is going to be the case. I mean

1500
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: they played Alabama A and M right, I mean they

1501
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: were up at one, they were up thirty by the

1502
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: second time out of the game. But they space themselves well.

1503
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: They all can shoot, but they also are constantly moving,

1504
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: and it was a breadth of fresh air and Indiana

1505
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: after having watched a stagnant offense and just a lackluster

1506
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: performance not just under Mike Woodson in the latter years,

1507
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: but the Archie Miller era, you know all of it. Defensively,

1508
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: they are very intense. Alabama A and M scored on

1509
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: a back door cut in the first possession of the game,

1510
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: and that literally felt like the only defensive real lapse

1511
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: that Indiana had. Now, Alabama A and M did not

1512
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: have much lateral speed at all, so it's very difficult

1513
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: to determine who they're going to be like in the

1514
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: Big Ten play itself, and I thought Indiana and Darren

1515
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: Devrees kept their key players in a little bit longer

1516
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: than he should have. However, there they are new to

1517
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: one another, they're learning how to play with one another,

1518
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: and so therefore there probably is more necessity of keeping

1519
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: your core on the floor in a game and a

1520
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: mop up game like that than there would be if

1521
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: this is a group that had played together for three years.

1522
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: And in addition, Tucker de Breese was going for his

1523
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: two thousandth career point, you know, albeit of the two

1524
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: thousand career points, like I think he needed fifteen maybe

1525
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: or sixteen going into last night, so you know, one,

1526
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: nine and eighty four of them came elsewhere. But going

1527
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: for that, I think they wanted to get that out

1528
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: of the way, and so they had him on the

1529
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: floor for five to six minutes longer to get him

1530
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: that basket to then on or hey, he has two

1531
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: thousand points and whatever else. But overall, overall assessment of

1532
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: it would be this number one. I kind of dig

1533
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: the Bison. I think the Bison's kind of cool. He

1534
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: gets people amped, and he looks like he might be

1535
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: an instigator. But in terms of the way that they play,

1536
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: like the way they spaced, really good ball movement, the

1537
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: ball does not stick anywhere along, they do not go

1538
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: down on the block and the ball gets buried. They

1539
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: very clearly Indiana is going to want to on each

1540
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: possession if they can get an open three within the

1541
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: first two to three passes, they're going to do so.

1542
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: And then if that doesn't work, they're going cut or

1543
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: they're going rotation quickly. And I think people will enjoy

1544
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: that Wilkerson bunching scores and can quick score off the

1545
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: dribble and exciting guy. And I think that's the guy

1546
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: that's going to be their energy guy. And then Devrees

1547
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: is the one that has the most versatility of his

1548
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: skill set. That Sam Alexis look pretty good too, though,

1549
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't think he started if

1550
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, he started his career at Chattanooga than

1551
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: at Florida. Now in Indiana, so new names, new faces

1552
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: all over the place. Eddie Wins. The last time you

1553
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: went to a game, if at all, of the Assembly Hall.

1554
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 2: It's been a few years, probably three or four.

1555
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: Guess we went through, and I'm grateful for it and appreciative.

1556
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: Jeremy Gray took us through with doctor White to see

1557
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: the different aspects of you know, Cook Hall and and

1558
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: you know the weight room. We went to the weight

1559
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: room and we got to see a lot of the

1560
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: facilities of Indiana and.

1561
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 2: It's just hard, you know, the season laughs, I got it.

1562
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: I get well, like last night, right, speaking of that,

1563
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: we'll get back into that Pacer side of things, and

1564
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener will play you a little more of the

1565
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: things that he had to say between now and two thirty,

1566
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: because at two thirty Matt Taylor, voice of the Colts,

1567
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: will join Eddie. You just made an interesting observation, two

1568
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: of them, actually, which is one let alone. One is

1569
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: shocking enough, but two is like holy cow, right, thank you,

1570
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: And your observation was number one that Indiana, and by Indiana,

1571
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean the university and the way that they played

1572
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: last night and what we've seen so far from Darren

1573
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: Devreese's style, it is a little bit similar to the

1574
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:00,839
Speaker 1: Pacer play, right.

1575
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on Granted, I didn't get to watch any

1576
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: closely like you because the Pacers were going on at

1577
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: the same time, but I was trying to flip back

1578
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: and forth just to be able to say, hey, let

1579
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: me see what the new Hoosiers look like with during

1580
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: the reason from what I could see, uh, and I've

1581
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: seen some clips on you know, social media as well.

1582
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: They're very comparable in terms of how they want to

1583
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: play offensively to the Pacers. They want to move the

1584
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: basketball around, generate a lot of open looks, you know, dribble,

1585
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: dry penetration. Everyone on the floor can shoot and has

1586
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: the green light to shoot a three, and they're going

1587
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: to pass the ball, move it around, and it'll be

1588
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: a fun you know, Brandon basketball hopefully. Another thing that

1589
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: I think is parallel and I'm curious what IU fans

1590
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: think of this. The NBA.

1591
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago came up with that end

1592
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: season tournament. Whether they admitted it was because of this

1593
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know, but the the reality is

1594
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: the n season tournament for the NBA was to generate

1595
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: or recapture interest during and concurrently with the NFL season

1596
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: because for so many people, NBA season, what's that for

1597
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: the NBA season for the NFL season? Because for so

1598
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: many people, the NBA knew that. To a lot of fans,

1599
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: the NBA wasn't on their radar until the NFL season

1600
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: was concluding Christmas. Yeah, So by coming up with the

1601
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: in season tournament, you now had people that were watching

1602
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: and paying attention in November and December that otherwise would

1603
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: not have Because in this town, for example, the Pacers

1604
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: and the Colts, and we have had times where both

1605
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: of them have been outstanding, and you have a lot

1606
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: of people, hey are you a big pacer for it.

1607
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 8: Man.

1608
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: I love the Pacers, but I really start paying attention

1609
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: once the colts season is over. That kind of a

1610
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: narrative for years. And when I say for years, i'm

1611
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: talking about like from the era when Teddy Roosevelt was

1612
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: president until now, Okay, I mean for years, Indiana University

1613
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: from a football standpoint was nonexistent. It was nothing more

1614
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: than the background of a practice for breaking away when

1615
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: they were filming the movie Lee Korso taking one photo

1616
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: Bill Mallory giving a glimpse of an era and the

1617
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: rest of it being a disaster. And that's now completely changed.

1618
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: And when you have the basketball program falling out of

1619
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: not favor but patience with the fan base, combined with

1620
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: this new found instantaneous overnight, what in the world Indiana

1621
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: competing with Ohio state level football. Does that mean that

1622
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: the basketball program, I'm not going to say, is the

1623
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: back burner to football. And yes, you would like to

1624
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: see it be a school where both sports are of Marquee,

1625
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,919
Speaker 1: but I was surprised last night to go into Assembly

1626
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: Hall and I know they're playing Alabama A and M.

1627
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,480
Speaker 1: But it's the season opener, the season opener for Indiana

1628
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: University basketball, and there couldn't have been eight thousand people there,

1629
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: and I get the balcony. It's been hard to sell

1630
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: tickets up there anyway, because the game's a rumor from

1631
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 1: there as it is. And then but the last third

1632
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: of the lower level was empty. And I know a

1633
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: lot of those tickets have been sold and people just

1634
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: didn't want to make the drive down or whatever else.

1635
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: But how much of that is because people are so

1636
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: swept up and caught up in the football program. Good

1637
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: problem to have, don't get me wrong, good problem to have.

1638
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of down with that bison looks like

1639
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:08,440
Speaker 1: an instigator.

1640
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 2: Is that why you're down? Because an instigator?

1641
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Yes, he's gota cool. He's gota cool. Doctor White at

1642
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: one point said why the bison, And I said, well,

1643
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: I think it's because of the state sealed. There's a

1644
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: there's a bison that's leaping over the little you know,

1645
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: while the guy's chopping down the tree. But the bison,

1646
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: he looks a little teen wolfish. He looks kind of

1647
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: like the teen wolf fella. We have tickets to give

1648
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: away for gunter Steiner right November fourteen.

1649
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: We do a week from Friday.

1650
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: And evening with Gunter Steiner unfiltered by the way. You

1651
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,879
Speaker 1: have seen it. You've heard him on this radio program.

1652
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: You've seen him, of course talking about Formula one in

1653
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary and Drive to Survive. And he's got

1654
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of stories. If you're a race fan in particular,

1655
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: you're gonna love it because he's got stories about running

1656
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: Formula one teams and running you know, whether it be haas,

1657
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: whether it be coming over and working for a while

1658
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: in the NASCAR side of things, firing drivers, hiring drivers,

1659
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: all of it. At clues Hall November fourteenth, Eddie, you

1660
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: would like to give these away in what fashion?

1661
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: Let's do it through the text line this time, Jake.

1662
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: I like that. So at two nine ten seventy three

1663
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: one seven nine ten seventies. All right, that's correct. What

1664
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: should we do?

1665
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: We should do a trivia question though on some capacity. Hmm, okay,

1666
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 2: would you like me to come up with the question

1667
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: or would you like to Well, you're not gonna is

1668
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: full of trivia, Jake. I mean you've got the Lou

1669
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: Garry thing tonight, right.

1670
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: I do I do Live Like Lou Foundation raising money

1671
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: for the Battle against Als and to endo als and

1672
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: to uplift those that have been involved in that journey

1673
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: as well. We've got the trivia for that, so I

1674
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: could give a trivia question. Bay, Okay, here's the easiest one.

1675
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna it is a racing related question that tonight

1676
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: is one of them that I've come up with. So

1677
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving sneak peak. If you're going to be there tonight,

1678
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: and the first person to correctly give this answer at

1679
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: the text line of two, three, nine, ten seventy, we

1680
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: will give you the tickets. And here's the question. There

1681
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: are two drivers, only two whose names appear on the

1682
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: borg Warner Trophy, which of course means that you have

1683
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: won the Indianapolis five hundred mile race. Tony Holman the

1684
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: only non winner on the trophy. But there are two

1685
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: drivers whose names appear on the borg Warner Trophy and

1686
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: multiple variations. The first is Allencer Senior because the first

1687
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: three times that his name is on the trophy it

1688
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: just says Alancer. Then on the fourth victory that he had,

1689
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: it says Allencer Senior. There is one other driver who

1690
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 1: is a multiple winner whose name appears in multiple variations.

1691
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: If you know that answer, the first person to text

1692
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: the answer at three one, seven, two, three, nine, ten seventy.

1693
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Eddie's going to hook you up. Good afternoon to you

1694
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: on a Thursday. My name is Jay Query. Eddie Garrison

1695
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: the other voice you hear on this program. Quarrying Company

1696
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: is what we call it, and we are more than

1697
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: happy to have all of you within the listening audience

1698
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: as members of our company. And we certainly don't take

1699
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: lightly the fact that that makes it possible for us

1700
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: to come in each and every day and talk sports,

1701
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: have fun, hopefully not take ourselves too seriously.

1702
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 2: You may have fun, Jake.

1703
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Like I said, not take ourselves too seriously. The good

1704
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Deri Steiner tickets have been given away. And I believe

1705
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: it was Darren that knew first. Correct, Yeah, Darren did

1706
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: know first. The other driver whose name appears on the

1707
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: Borg Warner in more than one variation is that of

1708
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: one Montoya, also known as one Pablo Montoya the second

1709
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: time that he won the Indianapolis five hundred mile race.

1710
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: Yep, So Darren is on his way talking about good

1711
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: personalities for the sport.

1712
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Montoya, Yeah, Montoya was. I think Eddie the in my time,

1713
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: it is my belief, but in my time in covering

1714
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: it now, you know, and when I say that, I

1715
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: mean being involved in seeing practices and just watching all

1716
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: of it. I believe personally that Juan Montoya is the

1717
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: most natural talent to have run the eighty five hundred

1718
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: of the certainly of the two thousands. I want to

1719
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: begin real quick with before we get into the Colts

1720
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: and Sauce Gardner in the mix. And now we have

1721
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: we can hear from Sauce a little bit, but I

1722
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: want to begin something I said at the beginning of

1723
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: the show. By now most of you probably know this

1724
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: part of it, but this became. This information came to

1725
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: us just before we came on the show today. And

1726
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: ninety seven percent of this program typically is from a

1727
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: local standpoint, but there are certain stories that happen on

1728
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: a national standpoint that I think do resonate or cannet locally.

1729
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: Marshawn Neeland is a second year player, or was a

1730
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: second year player for the Dallas Cowboys who just had

1731
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: his first career touchdown, even though he's a defender on

1732
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: a special team's touchdown. This past weekend and this morning,

1733
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: most people probably woke up to the news. If you

1734
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, whatever your sports outlet news information is that

1735
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: Marshaw Neeland had passed away and they're at the age

1736
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: of twenty four. And just before we came on, you know,

1737
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: it was the question of just gosh, I mean, a

1738
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: twenty four year old person. You wonder then, you know,

1739
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: was this how to DePass? Was this a car accident?

1740
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 1: Was a heart issue?

1741
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: Was it?

1742
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, when it's somebody that young, you wonder, you know,

1743
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: was there something that you know? Are they going to

1744
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 1: do a toxicology? Just before we came on, the police

1745
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: departments in Texas had issued the information that last night

1746
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: eight there was a the police attempted to pull over

1747
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: a vehicle. It did not pull over. There was a pursuit,

1748
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 1: the car got away. The law enforcement then ended the pursuit,

1749
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: then later found a crashed vehicle which matched that of

1750
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the pursuit, and at that point found the body of

1751
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Marshawn Neeland, who had died from an apparent self inflicted

1752
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: gunshot wound. And the only reason, not the only, but

1753
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I brought that up earlier, right before we went on.

1754
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: I brought it up on the show only because that

1755
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: information in terms of how he had passed away, had

1756
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: come out just before we went on the air, and

1757
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I was under the assumption, because I know how you know,

1758
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 1: interested people are in the National Football League, that people

1759
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: were probably naturally curious as to what was the cause

1760
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: of death. And then you know, because you start talking

1761
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: about CTE and different things when you hear about a

1762
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: young person passing away. The only reason I'm bringing it

1763
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: back up now is because in this town and with

1764
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: this franchise with the Colts, there has been and I

1765
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: applaud the Cults for this, the kicking the stigma initiative

1766
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: of the Colts about being upfront and talking about mental health.

1767
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I think everybody goes through at times

1768
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: in their life challenges or frustrations or disappointments, you know,

1769
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: in this time of year, quite frankly this time of year,

1770
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: depression as well, and whether that be circumstantial, whether that

1771
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: be neurological, you know, any number of things. And while

1772
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: I have been very fortunate, I have dealt in the

1773
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 1: past world circumstantial depression, but I've been very fortunate that

1774
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: it's never been anything other than you know, in the

1775
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, fleeting or passing periods. But I

1776
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: do know that there are plenty of people that chemically

1777
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: speaking deal with that on a regular basis, and it's

1778
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: an ongoing challenge. And I think, and I don't know

1779
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: in this case with Marshawn Niland, I have no idea

1780
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: whether or not this suicide was because of the police

1781
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,959
Speaker 1: chase or because of something going on. I have no idea.

1782
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm simply saying it's a conduit to bring in the

1783
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 1: conversation of the fact on this radio station of simply

1784
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: letting people know the following. If you are somebody who

1785
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,440
Speaker 1: is going through a difficult period or a period of depression,

1786
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: it is never forever, and there are numerous groups and

1787
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: outlets and people in facility and programs that can help

1788
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: you in that journey. And it's oftentimes when you're in

1789
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: that darkness and possible to gather that there are people

1790
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: with the flashlight. But by all means, I would encourage

1791
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: any of you, if you're going through that, to be

1792
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: aware of those things, to know that you are not,

1793
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form alone in your struggle

1794
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: and in your journey, that there are people that understand

1795
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: that if you are ever in a situation where you

1796
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: need to know where those programs and outlets are I've

1797
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: given my number out on this radio station numerous times

1798
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: at three one seven five two three ninety two eighty eight.

1799
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: And by no means am I a professional in that regard.

1800
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: But I would certainly be willing to help anybody find

1801
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: the resources or the outlets possible to help them in

1802
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: that moment three one seven five two three ninety two

1803
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: eighty eight, And so long as it's not during the

1804
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 1: like four and a half hours of the night that

1805
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm asleep, I would always be willing and have in

1806
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: the past, you know, try to help people out in

1807
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: that regard. Secondly, I simply want to point along and

1808
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: pass along. You never know what other people are going through.

1809
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: And so if you are somebody who, like me, by

1810
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: the grace of God, does not battle with those things,

1811
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: that's not to say there's not someone close to you

1812
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: that does. And simply please be aware and awake of

1813
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that understanding. Sauce Gardner is now an Indianapolis cult. He

1814
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: is going to play because he has passed concussion protocol

1815
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 1: for the Colts in their game coming up against the

1816
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons in Berlin. Now he today, for the first time,

1817
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: we got a chance. It's not the first time he's

1818
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: talked with the media, obviously, but it is the first

1819
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: time that he has talked with the media as a

1820
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: member of the Indianapolis Colts. And the first question that

1821
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people wanted to know about

1822
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: him was this, you're playing for You're coming out of

1823
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati. You're a top flight draft pick, you

1824
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: are basically a lockdown corner, You're an all pro level player,

1825
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and yet you're with the franchise and the New York

1826
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Jets that seems to take one step forward, two steps

1827
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: back and has had a disastrous year so far this year.

1828
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Does that mean, sauce Gardner, that you requested a trade?

1829
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: Did you ask out of New York? Sauce Gardner on.

1830
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 5: That, No, I've never asked for a trade. I don't

1831
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 5: think that's some day will ever do. It's a blessing

1832
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 5: to just be able to play on Sundays, you know,

1833
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, So you know, that

1834
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 5: doesn't make it even even much more beautiful, you know,

1835
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 5: going through those tough times, those those riff times and

1836
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 5: things like that, and then you know things could change

1837
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 5: in a matter of a night.

1838
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 6: So I enjoyed my time in New York.

1839
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 5: I just want to give a shout out to, you know,

1840
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 5: the guys that were there that drafted me, and the

1841
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 5: guys that was there obviously when I got my extension everything,

1842
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 5: like I am my teammates who I went through so

1843
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 5: much with.

1844
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: One of the things that we talk about a lot

1845
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: is that players, I think sometimes are measure by not

1846
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 1: necessarily what they're doing, but how they were acquired or

1847
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 1: where they were acquired. I call it the Alex Smith

1848
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: syndrome because Alex Smith was drafted as the number one

1849
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: overall selection in the NFL Draft by San Francisco and

1850
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: he struggled in San Francisco and then he ends up

1851
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: in Kansas City and Washington and was a really nice player,

1852
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 1: really good player, nice quarterback. But with those other two franchises,

1853
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: the measuring stick was different because they didn't spend a

1854
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: number one overall pick on him. So for Sauce Gardner,

1855
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: even though there was a lot invested with him in

1856
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: New York, not only on where he was acquired, but

1857
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 1: the investment they made in extending him. Now he goes

1858
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: to a place that everybody knows this is the sign

1859
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: of a push in because they've given not one but

1860
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: two first round picks as well as Ady Mitchell to

1861
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: get him. So, Sauce, question is does that create a

1862
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,440
Speaker 1: pressure knowing what was surrendered to bring you to Indianapolis.

1863
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 5: There's no pressure. They got access to the tape, so

1864
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 5: they know what I'm capable of doing. And that's what

1865
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 5: makes it much more special. It was less about the

1866
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 5: Jets wanted to trade me and more about the coach

1867
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 5: who wanted me to be here. So you know, that's

1868
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 5: truly truly a blessen And you know, it's a great

1869
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 5: group of guys already here, and that's what makes it

1870
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 5: even more special, like a dominant offense, dominant defense, and

1871
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 5: grateful to be a part of something special that they

1872
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 5: were already building here.

1873
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 6: And you know, I look to just add a lot

1874
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 6: on and off the field. Here.

1875
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: Today is Thursday. The trade deadline was Tuesday. The deadline

1876
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: was at four o'clock. It was about twelve forty I'm

1877
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: estimating twelve thirty eight somewhere like that. Where I'm sitting

1878
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: here and I'm talking on the radio. I think we

1879
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: might have even gone to a commercial break, and all of.

1880
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: A sudden, we're in a break.

1881
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 1: Eddie, Eddie Garrison goes holy bleep whoa and jumped out

1882
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: of his seat. I said, what you said, The Colts

1883
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: just traded for sauft Gardner, And I said okay, And

1884
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 1: we came out of the break and went right into it.

1885
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 1: We were talking about being in Berlin and I was

1886
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: talking about German sauces, and then I made the line

1887
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: of you know, look, the I can't remember the exact phrase,

1888
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: if the Colts are trying to buy real estate now

1889
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: within the AFC title. They just took care of it,

1890
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: and they brought in the gardener, and sauce Gardner's on

1891
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: his way here, and we both were kind of live

1892
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: on the fly figuring out, you know, where do we

1893
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: go from here? Because this is a seismic, seismic deal

1894
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: that the Colts have just made, going after and getting

1895
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: one of the best defenders in the National Football League.

1896
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: We were shocked by it. So the question becomes, what

1897
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: about on the other side and the guy that was

1898
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: the epicenter, Sauce Gardner, were you also shocked to hear

1899
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: of the trade that brings you to Indianapolis from New York.

1900
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.

1901
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 5: I didn't even have a like, I didn't even have

1902
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 5: time to like process it all the way. I just

1903
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 5: knew like I was coming into a great situation. So

1904
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 5: like I was running the circles in the house because

1905
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 5: the first thing I'm thinking, like, well, I'm about to

1906
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 5: be back with my boy Alec, like the winning right now,

1907
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 5: so I just know what I can add. Like I

1908
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 5: was just I was happy, you know, but at the

1909
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 5: same time, like I didn't have no time to be

1910
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 5: like dang, like I'm getting traded right now. I was

1911
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 5: just all good, vized because at the end of the day,

1912
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Speaker 5: who's gonna feel sorry? Like that's just that's part of

1913
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Speaker 5: the business. Just like in these last couple of days,

1914
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 5: I've been having learned a playbook at a page that

1915
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Speaker 5: I didn't know I was capable of learning the playbook.

1916
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Speaker 6: So but who's gonna feel hard for me? Nobody?

1917
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna say shocked was the word, because

1918
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Speaker 5: I know that what the coach offered something that was

1919
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Speaker 5: hard to like pass pass up on, you know, especially

1920
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Speaker 5: how it's been over the years.

1921
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Speaker 6: So it made sense.

1922
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: So you heard him mention there his boy Alex, that's

1923
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce. Sauce Gardner grew up in Michigan, went to

1924
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati and was lined up often against

1925
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: Alec Pearson practice because they were Barcats together. So the

1926
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: question would become or the assumption would be that immediately

1927
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner as soon as he hears Indianapolis Colts, he

1928
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: thinks Alec Pierce there Boom picked him up, calls him.

1929
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner on how long that took. In his conversation

1930
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Speaker 1: with Alec Pierce.

1931
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Speaker 5: Man, he was so happy. Everybody throughout the building was

1932
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 5: always saying like he always spoke highly of me, and

1933
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 5: obviously that made it easier for me to be here.

1934
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Speaker 5: And obviously everybody already knew who I was as a

1935
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Speaker 5: person and a player.

1936
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Speaker 7: You know.

1937
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Speaker 5: I would just telling him, like, bro, I'm not gonna

1938
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 5: be brother in law you and practice and stuff like that,

1939
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 5: like we always joking things like that. So no, it

1940
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 5: was it was just great. He was super pumped. I

1941
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 5: think he called me before our GM called me. But

1942
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 5: like I said, I was laying down with my girl,

1943
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 5: so I wasn't picking the phone up at that time,

1944
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

1945
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 6: So I didn't know what it was. I didn't know

1946
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 6: what it was about.

1947
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 5: I kind of wish I would have answered the call,

1948
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 5: you know, because I kind of I kind of would

1949
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 5: have knew. But you know, I got the call before

1950
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 5: my agent got the call. I got the call before

1951
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 5: anybody got the call, so you know, it was great

1952
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 5: to just find out from them in a great way.

1953
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: By the way, his girlfriend is Ice Spice, right, correct?

1954
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: So does that mean like if they got married and

1955
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: and he went like super progressive and he took her

1956
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: last name, does he then become Saucy Saucepice? Is that right?

1957
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: That's right? Right?

1958
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Speaker 9: That would be correct. That's kind of fun, right, wouldn't

1959
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 9: Ice Gardner? Yeah, it's called Yeah, that's not bad either, right, Uh.

1960
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Speaker 9: Sounds very likable. And you know, does this mean that

1961
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 9: I know or that we know Sauce Gardner?

1962
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Of course not. But I think it goes back to

1963
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: what Jenny Cochley was telling us when we had her

1964
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 1: on right after the trade. Jenny Coachley, formerly of Wish

1965
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Television that is now with S and Y New York

1966
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: covers the Jets, and she was saying that he is

1967
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: a you know, professional through and through. What did she say, like,

1968
01:40:56,479 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, deep in the playbook video dedicated to his craft,

1969
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of guy. And that's what look, it's what you

1970
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: hope for, especially when you're making that move. And there's

1971
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: very little we can say about what the move means

1972
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: for the Colts and what it symbolizes that has not

1973
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: already been said. But now you've got to have results

1974
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 1: on the field, and it starts at least the first

1975
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: test of seeing how it's going to look coming up

1976
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: in Germany on Sunday. Now, when do the Colts leave

1977
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 1: for Berlin? Do we know?

1978
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,799
Speaker 2: Tonight? So they will fly tonight, sleep on the plane,

1979
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 2: practice tomorrow and they'll land. I can it'll be am

1980
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 2: in Berlin on Friday when they land.

1981
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: You know, that's not the easiest thing in the world.

1982
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: That's sleep on the plane deal. And I realize they're

1983
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: not exactly sitting in like you know, Southwest B thirty

1984
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: nine right, But still I'm.

1985
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 2: Not sure that their seats are like, you know, you

1986
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 2: gotta lay down.

1987
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I think the only time that I

1988
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: have flown on an NFL plane years ago, when I

1989
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: was in Saint Louis, I covered the Rams and the

1990
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Rams had a Christmas Eve game in New Orleans and

1991
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: the Rams franchise. I thought this was very kind of them,

1992
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: and there are certainly journalistic integrity questions that could come

1993
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: into play here. But the Rams franchise went to those

1994
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: of us in the local media and said, look, it's

1995
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve and there are no flights back to Saint

1996
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: Louis from New Orleans until like four in the afternoon

1997
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day. And since we are flying as a

1998
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,759
Speaker 1: team back after the game, if you are covering the team,

1999
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: you can fly back on the team flight. And so

2000
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: I did you know, there were like eight of us

2001
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: that did. Now, we were in the back of the plane.

2002
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 1: The plane is quartered off for sex and off where

2003
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: you had the team was in the front you know,

2004
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: third of the plane, and then like probably coaches right

2005
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: behind them, and then the back third of the plane,

2006
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 1: which is where I was, were sponsors and you know,

2007
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,640
Speaker 1: probably marketing people, and then like the local media that

2008
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: were on it. So we were on basically a normal

2009
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: section of the plane, but you could see the front

2010
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: section of the plane and they were all of the

2011
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: seats were the size of first class seats. And I

2012
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: think you know, certainly from the NBA, because you have

2013
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: fewer people, that's how it is. So yes, it's a

2014
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: little bit different than you know. I think I told

2015
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: you one time, what's the longest flight you've been on, Eddie?

2016
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Speaker 4: Oh?

2017
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: Five hours? Okay? The you know now most planes, if

2018
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: you're on a flight that long, they have the in

2019
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 1: flight entertainment in the seat in front of you. The

2020
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: back of it has a little TV screen on it,

2021
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and you can watch movies whatever else. The two things

2022
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: to me that were where I've been the most incredulous

2023
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: with that. I once flew to It was a long flight,

2024
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: and it was a night. It was an even flight

2025
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 1: from Hawaii back to you know, like La So it's

2026
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 1: like five or six hours, and it was at night.

2027
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: And this was back before in the era where they

2028
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: would show a movie, but they would have one screen

2029
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: and you would get the headsets and and the movie

2030
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: they showed. So it's like midnight. And the movie they

2031
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: showed was Stuart Little, which I found odd. I was

2032
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: the only person watching it with my headsets on. Everybody

2033
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: else was sleeping and I was watching Stuart Little, which

2034
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: seemed a little odd for a late night movie. But

2035
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: then I also had Eddie. I think I told you

2036
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 1: recently I was on a flight where the movie they

2037
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: had the in flight movies and I'm like, oh, and

2038
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you know now it's you pick your own. I mean,

2039
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: they got it. It's like one hundred options. And they

2040
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 1: had fast times at Ridgemont High and I and I

2041
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: had a young kid sitting next to me and it

2042
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 1: was the unedited So I think he wanted me to

2043
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 1: rewind the Phoebe Kate's scene like six times. A twelve

2044
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: year old kids sitting next to me, and I'm like, whoa,

2045
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is the unedited version. I mean

2046
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 1: I thought for sure you know that we were gonna

2047
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: like suddenly cut away or something. And I'm like, oh no,

2048
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: there was no blurring whatsoever Phoebe and all their glory.

2049
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: And I'm like, whoaha, felt a little uncomfortable. I mean

2050
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 1: you felt uncomfortable. I was fine with it, but I

2051
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,560
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, like, you know, you know

2052
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 1: what I have to say to that, Jake, Where our

2053
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: focus goes, our energy flows, That's about what happened. I

2054
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: can tell you with him, the focus in that there

2055
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: was focus flowing in and growing and all of it right,

2056
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 1: no question about it. Matt Taylor is the voice of

2057
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Mercifully joins us next. Matt Taylor is

2058
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: the radio play by play voice of the Indianapolis Colts.

2059
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: Joins us typically each and every Thursday to preview the

2060
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 1: colts upcoming upcoming game opponent. He's on the Java House

2061
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: peeling poor guest line. And we'll begin here, Matt, I

2062
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: want to say, and I don't know which of our

2063
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 1: conversations in the past it's been where this has come up.

2064
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 1: But I have this weird memory of you at some

2065
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: point mentioning that along the way, whether it be high

2066
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: school to college, you took German classes. Am I wrong?

2067
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 7: In that good memory? I took four years of German

2068
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 7: and high school.

2069
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: How much of that do you remember?

2070
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 4: You know?

2071
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 7: I can kind of piece it together, you know, German,

2072
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 7: I think is a very from what I understand, right,

2073
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 7: I don't know any other other languages, but from my understanding,

2074
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 7: German is a very easy language to learn, and a

2075
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 7: lot of English is sort of a cousin or a

2076
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 7: distant relative of German. And so you know, it's funny,

2077
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 7: My we had to do so in German German class,

2078
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 7: we had to do a quarter project every every quarter,

2079
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 7: so every nine weeks we had to do a project

2080
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 7: in German. Class, and you can do whatever you want, right.

2081
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 4: You could do an.

2082
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 7: Essay or an oral project, victor you could do a video.

2083
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 7: So I used to have an old take cassette player

2084
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaker 7: and I would record myself doing Don Fisher. So it

2085
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 7: was like it was like the Mike Davis Show. So

2086
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 7: I was Don Fisher talking in German uh and interviewing

2087
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 7: Mike Davis, and then I would pretend like I was

2088
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 7: Mike Davis answering the questions in German, being asked to

2089
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:21,799
Speaker 7: him as Don.

2090
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Can you give us a can you give us a

2091
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: quick rendition of Don Fisher in German?

2092
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 7: Bill comment? Everybody this ist Mike Davis, Shawa owned Indiana

2093
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 7: University basketball.

2094
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 3: Spielstegard owned.

2095
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 7: Dry pouta victory uber Perdue.

2096
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Last NC to now now hold on, now, this seems

2097
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 1: almost like cheating because basically you just took a bunch

2098
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: of words and then added like an untah to it.

2099
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: I thought he cussed.

2100
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 2: I think he did. I need to get the dumb there.

2101
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was welcome, Welcome to the Mike Davis Show.

2102
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 7: Indiana University of Basketball last night beat Perdue University by

2103
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 7: three points.

2104
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not bad, that's solid I mean, I'm great,

2105
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 1: and you're German more than you're Don Fischer. But that's

2106
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: not bad. That's pretty solid actually, right, Well.

2107
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Fisher took a hit because I

2108
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 7: was so focused on the German parts of it.

2109
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: Now, how much when you go over you know what, Matt,

2110
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: how much of the pregame can you do in German?

2111
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 7: Not a lot?

2112
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean I can do.

2113
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 3: I could do bare bones.

2114
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 7: I mean, god, I took it twenty five years ago,

2115
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 7: high school wise, so I mean I can. I can

2116
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 7: do like the basic stuff I remember, like the very

2117
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,440
Speaker 7: basic stuff like how to have like a first grade conversation,

2118
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 7: like how you doing? What do you do in your

2119
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 7: free time?

2120
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's perfect for this show, that's right now.

2121
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 7: You know so So Jake, So Jake, Jake Box, Max

2122
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 7: duw Gharn and diner freesite. That's what do you do

2123
01:48:56,040 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 7: in your free time? Dick leaps to spielster If Zaire Franklin.

2124
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 7: That's my favorite player, Zaire Franklin. So you know, just

2125
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 7: basic basic stuff here and there, just to get by.

2126
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,799
Speaker 1: You know. When I was in college I mentioned this before,

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Speaker 1: I took Swahili. When I was in Indiana, I took

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01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: literally I did. I took three semesters of I needed

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01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: four semesters of a foreign language. I needed two different

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01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: foreign languages I took. I started in Spanish, took two

2131
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 1: years of that, and then I went in and said, well,

2132
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: what's the easiest language on campus? And they said Bombra,

2133
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: And so I took Bomber, which is an African clicking language,

2134
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: you know that thing. And two weeks in the grad

2135
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: student that was teaching and I think got there was

2136
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 1: some clerical issue and so it was no longer offered,

2137
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 1: and I said, what's the second easiest language? Is Swahili?

2138
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 1: And I was Matt, I was, I'm not kidding you.

2139
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: For a brief window there, I was probably like communicatively

2140
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 1: fluent in Swahili. But yes, over the you kind of

2141
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: forget it. It's a very simple language because that they

2142
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 1: used like one word for like entire you know whatever.

2143
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: But but yes, you do forget over time. But I

2144
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 1: would love to go somewhere where they speak it and

2145
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 1: see if it comes back at all. And I'll be

2146
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: curious when you're in Germany if you find yourself being

2147
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: able to understand stuff more than you would have guessed.

2148
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, the thing so we were there two years ago.

2149
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 7: The biggest thing that came flooding back was like the pronouns,

2150
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 7: because the pronouns are different. For like, there's a female

2151
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 7: pronoun and there's male pronouns obviously, right, so like, hopefully

2152
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 7: I get this right and hopefully my German teacher isn't

2153
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 7: like throwing a tomato at the radio right now. But

2154
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 7: you know, like for for a female, it's like dinah.

2155
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 7: So everything for a female ends with an e, so dinah.

2156
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 7: And then if I were, you know, referring to something

2157
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,560
Speaker 7: else from a noun standpoint, but it was like a

2158
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 7: connitive like for a male it would be diner. So

2159
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 7: so a lot what I just asked you is like

2160
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 7: box Masdwgan and diner fright site. So your is diner

2161
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 7: free time, it's fright sight. So yeah, it's just like

2162
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 7: little things like that just came flooding back in terms

2163
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 7: of the language and how it works and how it's

2164
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 7: set up. Ok, it's supposed to be like like a

2165
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 7: sentence diagram.

2166
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Does that mean that

2167
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 1: a female entertainer on the beach in Germany is a

2168
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: dinah shore? Is that right?

2169
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 7: It would be Yeah, it could be Yeah, dinah, Yeah,

2170
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 7: it ends with the knee if it's a female.

2171
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 1: Listen, Matt, we're supposed to have you here to talk

2172
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: about obviously the Colts, so let's get right to it.

2173
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to know what you think the Colts over

2174
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: the course of the week had a major acquisition, a

2175
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: major acquisition in terms of their defensive backfield. So let's

2176
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 1: get right to it. Your thoughts on safety, Tray Washington

2177
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: joining the practice squad.

2178
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,799
Speaker 7: Hey, man, you got to have everybody every right.

2179
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 1: No, Sauce Gardner, do you believe Matt in talking about it?

2180
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 1: I heard him saying that he's diving right into the playbook,

2181
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:57,600
Speaker 1: and this guy seems to be pretty dialed in. But

2182
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 1: is corner the one position that a guy can be

2183
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 1: air dropped in and immediately acclement. I'm not saying it's easy, right,

2184
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:09,680
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna put a guy in there and

2185
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: just say, okay, go and do what you got to

2186
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: do based on instinct before you really get to know

2187
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 1: what it is that we do, is corner one of

2188
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 1: the positions where you can kind of get away with

2189
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: that until a guy's up to speed.

2190
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean perhaps, I mean, especially in a game

2191
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 7: like this when they have such a clear number one

2192
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 7: wide receiver in the Falcons and Drake London. You know,

2193
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 7: we'll see how that sort of manifests itself with you know,

2194
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 7: a shadow possibility with sauce Gardner on London. You know

2195
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 7: those guys have, by the way, just anecdotally, they have

2196
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 7: faced off one time, ironically overseas. It was two years

2197
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 7: ago in London, and sauce Gardner did a great job

2198
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 7: on him. I think he only gave up like one

2199
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 7: catch for less than ten yards, but at any rate, Yeah,

2200
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 7: I mean, I get what you're saying, although I don't

2201
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 7: think the Colts are gonna put him out there if

2202
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 7: they don't feel comfortable in his ability to grasp the defense.

2203
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 7: And that's what sauce Gardner said today. I know you've

2204
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 7: played some of the clips just now, but he's like, hey,

2205
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 7: this is my job to uh, to to be out

2206
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,919
Speaker 7: there and to be on top of all this stuff.

2207
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 7: I know those guys out there, you know, playing around them,

2208
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 7: guys like Cam buying them and Kenny Moore, you know

2209
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 7: they're going to be over communicative to help him and

2210
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 7: to put him in the right spots and to uh,

2211
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 7: you know, have him be on top of checks and

2212
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:23,839
Speaker 7: things like that, but he's.

2213
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 3: Like, I don't need any of that.

2214
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 7: It shouldn't be their job. It should be my job

2215
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 7: to know the defense. So he said he was actually

2216
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 7: looking forward to the plane ride with you know, eight

2217
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 7: plus or eight or nine hours on the plane just

2218
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 7: to kind of focus on football, because the last forty

2219
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 7: eight hours for him has been everything but football, with

2220
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 7: you know, moving and you know a playbook and you know,

2221
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 7: signing papers and you know everything that comes with the trade.

2222
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 7: He's excited to just watch film on the falcons, understand

2223
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 7: the playbook, and get up to speed so we can

2224
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 7: go out there and play and not have to think

2225
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 7: too much.

2226
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: On Sunday, Matt did, I don't know how to word this.

2227
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: The game in Pittsburgh. You know, you get those sometimes

2228
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: right where you can just tell, you know, it's like

2229
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: in basketball when you get those games where the other

2230
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 1: teams they're just hitting everything and you can't nothing goes

2231
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:13,919
Speaker 1: your way, right, And it felt that way in Pittsburgh,

2232
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: the turnovers, all of it. And we don't know yet

2233
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: whether or not this is going to be a game

2234
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: that we look back and go, yeah, that was the

2235
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 1: anomaly or if that all of a sudden like exposed

2236
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: something about the Colts. But do you think it changed

2237
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:30,879
Speaker 1: in any way, maybe even for the good, the focus

2238
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: on the inside the lines game of this Atlanta matchup

2239
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: and not allowing this to become a trap game that

2240
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 1: it could have, knowing that you have to buy and

2241
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 1: then Kansas City coming off of this trip, did it

2242
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 1: re did this rechannel things a little bit?

2243
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2244
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 3: I think that's a good point.

2245
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, in the moment, you're not wanting to,

2246
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 7: you know, take a loss, but you know, I guess

2247
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 7: if it comes, if you have to pick a loss,

2248
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 7: you say, okay, let's have one that doesn't kill us

2249
01:54:57,920 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 7: because we're having such a good start to the season

2250
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 7: in the AFC. It was our first AFC loss. You know,

2251
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 7: not that you make any excuses at all, but TJ.

2252
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 7: Watt and Alex Highsmith, those are two elite players at

2253
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 7: their position. The Falcons just don't have guys like that.

2254
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 7: Most teams don't have a pair of guys like that.

2255
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 4: And so you know, you.

2256
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 7: Had more turnovers in one afternoon with six than you

2257
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 7: did the first eight weeks combined. You only had four

2258
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 7: weeks one through eight. So yeah, I'm more of the

2259
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 7: you know, it's a blip on the radar, it's a

2260
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 7: little bit of anomaly. But that being said, you know

2261
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 7: you are who you are and when it comes to

2262
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 7: putting things on tape, so you know, when you have

2263
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 7: a little bit of a leakage up front, you got

2264
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 7: to you know, do a better job of protecting the

2265
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 7: football in the pocket if you're Daniel Jones. But yeah,

2266
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 7: you know what's going on when you get back from

2267
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 7: the bye because you've got to go on the road

2268
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 7: to Kansas City, and then after that you've got four

2269
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 7: division games left, only seven games remaining after that, the

2270
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 7: final push is on once you get back after the bye,

2271
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 7: and so you know the deal when you get it's

2272
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 7: a it's a heck of a lot easier to you

2273
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 7: go two weeks off to deal with the win rather

2274
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 7: than the loss because you've got time to stew about it,

2275
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 7: think about it. And so those are the important things

2276
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,879
Speaker 7: that the Colts have to consider going into this game, albeit

2277
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 7: you know, a weird week and a lot of travel

2278
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 7: to uh to Germany and Berlin.

2279
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 1: Did you get the feeling, Matt that Pittsburgh did anything

2280
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 1: in terms of their scheme to be the first ones

2281
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 1: to really recapp it on Daniel Jones Or was that

2282
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 1: just a matter of, Look, they've got good players that

2283
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: finally had a game where they became good players.

2284
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2285
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 7: I think of this kind of like the Steelers did

2286
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 7: more to the Colts than the Colts kind of took

2287
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 7: anything for granted or took anything to you know, uh,

2288
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 7: took advantage of a mindset going into the game. I mean,

2289
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 7: Mike Comblin has just a a great track record of

2290
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 7: being able to get guys to play at a high

2291
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 7: level when they need to and when their backs are

2292
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 7: against the wall, if you so. It's one of the

2293
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 7: things that I was kind of disappointed by was, you know,

2294
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 7: the Colts knew that that was a very desperate team

2295
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh. They were going to have the home field advantage.

2296
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 7: You know, that defensive line came to play and they

2297
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 7: definitely woke up. I Mean, the weird thing about turnovers

2298
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 7: is that they just kind of come in bunches and

2299
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 7: they just kind of snowball if you will at times.

2300
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 7: You know, so once they got the first couple, you know,

2301
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 7: the Colts were down the scoreboard and they had to

2302
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 7: throw their way to get back into the game. You know,

2303
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 7: had to you know, take to the air a lot,

2304
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 7: a lot of pocket passes from Daniel Jones, and that's

2305
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 7: when guys hit their hands up or they kind of

2306
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 7: pin their ears back, you know, going after the quarterback.

2307
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 7: And so I think the turnovers just snowball because of

2308
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 7: where the Colts were at and what the scoreboard dictated

2309
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 7: the Colts in terms of trying to get back into

2310
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 7: the game. So again, I think it's kind of an outlier,

2311
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 7: a little bit of an aberration. And the frustrating thing was,

2312
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 7: I mean, the Colts got off to a good start.

2313
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 7: They do what they normally do, right, They got three

2314
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 7: and out and then a touchdown, and they were kind

2315
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 7: of like you know in the in the high gear

2316
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 7: early but then just just things just snowballed. And again

2317
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 7: the tj Wat play just kind of set everything off

2318
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 7: kilter for the Colts.

2319
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Matt, you mentioned going through the air. You

2320
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 1: will be doing that to get to obviously Berlin for

2321
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: this game. For those that are curious, and I think

2322
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fans are, give me just the overall

2323
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 1: scene of the travel of getting there. When when the

2324
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 1: team leaves, you know how it looks and then what

2325
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 1: the schedule is once you're over there, because it is

2326
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 1: an acclimation.

2327
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt about it. So we're gonna leave later

2328
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 7: on tonight and we're supposed to land middle of the

2329
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 7: day German time tomorrow, so that's Friday. So it's almost

2330
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 7: like a time machine.

2331
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 3: Right.

2332
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 7: As soon as you land, it's.

2333
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 4: Time to go.

2334
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 7: It's time to be up and operate for day. And

2335
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 7: so we'll get to the hotel or you know, kind

2336
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 7: of like the training hub base, if you will, for

2337
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 7: the Colts, and then a few hours later we'll get

2338
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 7: back on a shuttle and a bus and go to

2339
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Speaker 7: the stadium. The Colts will have a walk through or

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01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 7: a kind of I would say a practice slash walk through,

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01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 7: kind of a mixture of both Tomorrowmorrow, and then do

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01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 7: some media availability. Uh Tomorrow it's gonna be late in

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01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 7: the day German time, but kind of middle of the

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01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 7: day back here Eastern time. Uh. And then Saturday is

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01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 7: another like mock game walk through for the team at

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01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 7: the stadium. Uh. And then there's a lot of marketing

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01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 7: opportunities uh, outside of you know, team responsibility, if you will. Right,

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01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 7: there's a there's kind of like a gathering spot in

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01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 7: downtown Berlin for Colts fans. It's kind of like the

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Speaker 7: hub for all of the fans. It's called the Dos Center.

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01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 7: And there's gonna be some q and a's and some

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01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 7: other public forums that are obviously centered around the NFL

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01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:40,640
Speaker 7: and the Colts UH in that area. UH. And then

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01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 7: obviously the game is on Sunday, and so you kind

2355
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:46,839
Speaker 7: of wake up and go and get to the stadium

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01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 7: pretty early, and we've got just some logistical things to

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01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 7: hash out with. You know, there's some electric electricity conversion

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01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 7: stuff and internet and just things that come with playing

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01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,080
Speaker 7: in a different stadium and at a different continent and

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02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,440
Speaker 7: and different rules and regulation. So that's the boring stuff.

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Speaker 7: But for the most part, it's going to be go, go, go, work, work, work,

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Speaker 7: taking a little bit of sight and scenes, but for

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02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 7: the most part, you're there to to work and be

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Speaker 7: part of a football game and hopefully the Colts get

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Speaker 7: a win before the bye.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm just gonna guess that you don't have to

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02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 1: make a connection in LaGuardia, right, it's.

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Speaker 7: A straight shot. It is I think eight and a

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Speaker 7: half hours there and almost ten hours coming home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Right, all right, well, Matt, certainly safe

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Speaker 1: travels to all of you and enjoy it. Good and tog?

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Speaker 1: How do you say goodbye in German?

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02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 7: Guten tog good good? Good day is both good day

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02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 7: is hello and goodbye, So guten tog works too, absolutely.

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02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: And then how do you say good how do you? Good?

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02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 1: And dog works okay for goodbye?

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02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 7: Also, yeah, like good day, you know, like you know,

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Speaker 7: I'll see you later, that kind of thing. Now you're

2379
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:52,880
Speaker 7: putting me on the spy here. I should I should

2380
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 7: know better about some of these basic things. You know,

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02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 7: Bill common is a welcome, you know, please and say

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02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 7: thank you bit a bit to Searn is like thanks

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02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 7: a lot, I got a worker and goodbye. Maybe maybe

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02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 7: next week when I talk to you'll have a better goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what next week you're gonna be I'm

2386
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 1: gonna be in Germany, so you'll be believe it or not,

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02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 1: because during the bye week I'm going we're going to

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Speaker 1: Austria and Germany. So this is why I need to

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Speaker 1: know these things. Right.

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Speaker 7: Oh cool?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:22,400
Speaker 7: That's awesome?

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02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 4: Good for you.

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02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. Shannon would like to know

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02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: how you say you can fly home by yourself. Then

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02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,680
Speaker 1: she'd like to know how to say that, so she

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02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 1: knows that right, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: You only need one finger for that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, man Turtle's sake. Man appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, I good talk.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Colts will come back.

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Speaker 1: J ANDV will do the crossover brought to you by

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Speaker 1: HVAC dot com is the website three one seven three

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Speaker 1: five three twenty one forty one the telephone number. We'll

2407
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 1: check in with John the Bulldog. Plenty of time for

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02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 1: you to get up there and enjoy a cold beverage

2409
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,920
Speaker 1: diet Cokes perfectly sufficient, as he's going to be there

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02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:09,440
Speaker 1: until six. We'll check in with them next. So yesterday

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02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:13,879
Speaker 1: we did the question Eddie and I believe the polls

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Speaker 1: have closed. We did not allow mail in voting on

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02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 1: who is the bigger band? ACDC or Metallica. Now, one

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02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: of the bands got fifty six percent of the votes,

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02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:32,760
Speaker 1: the other forty four percent. Would you like to guess

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02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 1: which of those two was deemed by the listeners of

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02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 1: this esteem show as the bigger band.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that our listeners and your Twitter

2419
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:44,440
Speaker 2: following x post Twitter as you call it, by the way,

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02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:47,280
Speaker 2: why do you call it expost Twitter? Again, Well, it's Twitter,

2421
02:02:48,360 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 2: but then now it's X. But when it was Twitter,

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02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 2: people would say tweet me, and now with X it's

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Speaker 2: you post. Right, Yeah, that's true. I'm going to assume

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02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 2: that your expost Twitter followers and our listeners went with

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Speaker 2: ac is the fifty six percent.

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Speaker 1: That is correct, ACDC. Indeed, Tonight, by the way, going

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Speaker 1: to be a special evening and I am happy to

2428
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Speaker 1: be a part of the Live Like Lou Foundation. You

2429
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 1: can find out more about that organization at Live like

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Speaker 1: Lou dot org. This is family support for those with ALS,

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02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 1: and tonight we are going to be doing a trivia challenge.

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Speaker 1: This is all going to be at the Ritz up

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02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 1: in Carmel, and not just a night to raise funds

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02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 1: for helping out for a great cause, but I think

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02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 1: also to let those that either are in the journey

2436
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: of ALS or the family of those that have ALS,

2437
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 1: to let them know that their journey is not alone,

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02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:55,480
Speaker 1: and there are those that are constantly, constantly doing what

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02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 1: we can to find a cure and a path for

2440
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: obviously ALS or Lou Gerrig's disease. But it will be

2441
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:06,320
Speaker 1: a special evening tonight doing that. And I think they

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02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: live like Lou Foundation for having me Outlive like Lou

2443
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:13,920
Speaker 1: dot Org is the website for them. JMV is at

2444
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:17,640
Speaker 1: one of my favorite places, one of my haunts, if

2445
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:21,160
Speaker 1: you will, The Bulldog up just south of Broaderpool on

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02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:24,839
Speaker 1: College and joins us now John Big Show lined.

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Speaker 8: Up for you love the Bulldog right here, Jake. This

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02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,640
Speaker 8: is classic material at fifty for both in college. Hey,

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Speaker 8: by the way, the people, are you the quiz master tonight?

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02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:37,120
Speaker 8: And do people need to answer in the form of

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02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 8: a question?

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02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 1: At the trivia? They do not have to answer in

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02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,120
Speaker 1: the form of a question. But there are multiple rounds

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02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: of the trivia and I have come up with ten

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02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 1: questions for one of the rounds and a team, oh

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02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 1: can actually auction off to have me help them because

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02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:53,160
Speaker 1: one of the rounds is going to be I think,

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02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:55,240
Speaker 1: like eighty five hundred level stuff. And if they want

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02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 1: me to help, then I will help out a team.

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02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,920
Speaker 8: So are we talking as they're going to like literature

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02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 8: and science and all that crap, And I don't know

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02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:04,200
Speaker 8: a damn thing about it.

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02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it's predominantly Indianapolis trivia.

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02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 8: Oh cool, okay, So nothing about what is igneous rock

2465
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,640
Speaker 8: or anything like that with the correct correct.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to our favorite rock groups, we go

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02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 1: with Igneus over ACDC.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, John, I asked this

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Speaker 1: question earlier on the program. I'll give you one of

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02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:24,840
Speaker 1: them that I asked earlier. Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:29,840
Speaker 1: There were four members In nineteen eighty four, Bob Knight

2474
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 1: was the Olympic basketball coach. Many believe it to be

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02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:35,600
Speaker 1: the finest amateur team assembled of all time. Four members

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02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 1: of that nineteen eighty four Olympic team in their basketball

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02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:41,320
Speaker 1: career would also play for the Indiana Pacers. Can you

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Speaker 1: name them?

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Speaker 8: M Tisdale yes, Perkins yes, Uh, Mullen yes, and uh.

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Speaker 1: The other on the other one was drafted by the

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02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 1: Pacers that year.

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Speaker 8: M oh oh, I didn't know. Jeff Turner played in Orlando.

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02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:09,480
Speaker 1: The has an NBA record for most minutes played without

2484
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: a technical foul and missed a layup that kills me

2485
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:14,440
Speaker 1: to this day because I think it would have beaten

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Speaker 1: New York in ninety four.

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Speaker 8: Uh, why can't I Why I can't. I'm trying to

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Speaker 8: see the picture right now.

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Speaker 1: Point guard out of Georgia quiet as could be point

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Speaker 1: guard Fleming?

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02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 4: How did I know?

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02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2493
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 4: How not forget about it?

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02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:32,040
Speaker 8: I just forgot Vern Fleming was on that team, not

2495
02:06:32,080 --> 02:06:33,160
Speaker 8: as a member of the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's well done, right there. You know, I remember

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Speaker 1: Vern Fleming.

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Speaker 8: We were all in love back then, Jacob the big

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Speaker 8: kind of combo guard, the bigger point guards because Maggie

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Speaker 8: Johnson kind of set the trail of blaze and and

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Speaker 8: Vern Fleming was was one of those types of dudes.

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Speaker 8: I think that's why everybody fell in love with George

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02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 8: McLeod until everybody found out he couldn't play, and that's problematic.

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02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Well, and McLeod, you know, and Donnie Walsh will tell

2505
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 1: you that Dick Versays in particular, was convinced that McLeod

2506
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:02,240
Speaker 1: could be a bigger point guard. And then they found

2507
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: out after the fact once he left here he had

2508
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 1: some family things that happened to him when he was here.

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02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,160
Speaker 1: But he went to Dallas and became a really good shooter.

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02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait a minute, maybe they should have

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02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:13,280
Speaker 1: just had him as a shooting guard, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I always thought that he just was that described as

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Speaker 8: such because that was kind of the cool thing to

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Speaker 8: be correct.

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Speaker 1: That's right, big point guard back, that's right.

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Speaker 8: They were forcing that square peg in a round hole

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Speaker 8: and trying to turn him to something he really wasn't.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's correct. Yeah, And as a matter

2519
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 1: of fact, he was their last top ten pick until

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Speaker 1: Ben mcmatheren. If you can believe that, what's lined up

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Speaker 1: on the Big Show today, John.

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Speaker 8: My Chapel a little bit later on Sauce Gardener. As

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Speaker 8: you guys have been playing the sound from a little

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Speaker 8: bit earlier today, go and play in Berlin coming up

2525
02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 8: on Sunday. The magnitude of that performance the rest of

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Speaker 8: week number ten. You were in Bloomington last night, Ay, Jake,

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Speaker 8: they're end devrees if for nothing else, man offensively shooting

2528
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 8: the threes and hitting free throws.

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Speaker 4: I'll take it.

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Speaker 8: No no watching these back to back era and coaches

2531
02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 8: with that program, I will take it. You saw a

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02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 8: group last night that was active and they're going to

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02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:07,560
Speaker 8: be fun as hell to watch.

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Speaker 1: And they guard too, there's no question, you know what

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02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean. So you know, we'll see how overall talented

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02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:16,280
Speaker 1: they are, but they were fun to watch that. Eddie

2537
02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 1: said it best look kind of like the Pacers in

2538
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 1: their ball movement in spacing. All right, John, you can

2539
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:24,800
Speaker 1: all love that bulldog. Fifty fourth in college. To see John,

2540
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 1: he will be there. We'll throwt out to you in

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02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,600
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes. All right, you got pal.

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 1: All right, J and B joining us on the crossover,

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02:08:31,240 --> 02:08:33,640
Speaker 1: brought to you by the good guys at Love Heating

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Speaker 1: and Air. All right back tomorrow at noon we will

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02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 1: be with you previewing colts obviously over in Germany and

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02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:43,240
Speaker 1: much more tomorrow. I appreciate you listening today to Querying

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Speaker 1: Company