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Speaker 1: Mike Chapple joining us on the program of course, from

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Speaker 1: WXI in Fox fifty nine and CBS four on this

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Speaker 1: the eve of report day for the Colts and then

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Speaker 1: everything getting underway ten o'clock in the morning practice number one.

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Speaker 1: We will get into all of that in just a minute,

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Speaker 1: but Mike, before we do that, I wanted to I

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Speaker 1: guess sidebar in this area. I talked about him earlier,

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Speaker 1: but as somebody who is yourself, you know, a giant

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Speaker 1: within the print broadcast world of sports media and Indiana,

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Speaker 1: the passing of Bob Hamill at the age of eighty

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Speaker 1: eight over the weekend, his family making that announcement, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to give you the opportunity to share kind

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Speaker 1: of your recollection or just your thoughts on the passing

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Speaker 1: of Bob Hamil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Normally with the media, we sort of stand in our

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Speaker 3: own little circles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Indy and he was in Bloomington, and I

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Speaker 3: was her friend, no acquaintance, yes, but the admiration is undeniable.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that people have to understand about about

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Speaker 3: a bat Bob Hamil type person is he's covering the

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Speaker 3: beat in his city. I you basketball, and not only

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Speaker 3: that he's got to deal with Bob Knight. And if

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Speaker 3: you think that's easy, you're crazy. I did it from

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Speaker 3: the from the periphery with when I was ten years

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Speaker 3: it the Madison Heights Phil Buck pipeline. To I you,

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wilkerson and Ray Talbert who I ran into you

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Speaker 3: today was great, But Winston Morgan, Stu Robinson. Uh So

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Speaker 3: I dealt with Bob just kind of patty, how you doing,

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Speaker 3: about how you doing? But nothing nothing, you know, even

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Speaker 3: the remotely close. But people have to understand how hard

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Speaker 3: it is to maintain your reputation of objectivity when you're

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Speaker 3: covering the beat in your community and you have to

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Speaker 3: be fair objective and you have to deal with stuff.

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Speaker 3: You're right, maybe p O and the King. You know,

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Speaker 3: Bob Knight, So I thought you did a tremendous job.

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Speaker 3: And I never would have wanted to be in his shoes.

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Speaker 3: Had to do what he did because there had to

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Speaker 3: be times that he had to sort of just kind

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Speaker 3: of bows in and say whatever. But again, the footprints, well,

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Speaker 3: you know it's it's I always say, we all want

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Speaker 3: to leave some kind of footprints, just so the people

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Speaker 3: remember that you were there. Well, Bob hammil left footprints,

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Speaker 3: let me tell you. Uh, he helped so many people,

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Speaker 3: the Rick Bosices and people like that that I've dealt

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Speaker 3: just think it's incredible and we knew he was not

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Speaker 3: in the greatest of health, but kind of just makes

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Speaker 3: me think how old I'm getting when people that I

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Speaker 3: grew up with and around aren't no longer with us.

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Speaker 1: Do you When you look at it, Chap, and you

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Speaker 1: look at Bob Hamill's career, and he came to Bloomington

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, which means that he got there

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Speaker 1: six years before Bob Knight. But been you know Bob

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Speaker 1: Knight certainly you know he went to the final four

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Speaker 1: and seventy three, so he was often running in terms

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Speaker 1: of his influence speaking of Bob Knight's and having to

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Speaker 1: balance and delicately balance exactly what you're talking about in

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Speaker 1: terms of objectivity, but at the same time access, I

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Speaker 1: mean truth be told. Sure did Bob Hamill at any

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Speaker 1: point to your recollection almost also serve not just as

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Speaker 1: the immediate window to Bob Knightights world, but also kind

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Speaker 1: of an intermediary between Bob Knight and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the media. In other words, was there did he almost

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Speaker 1: buy just proximity become the guy that had to kind

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Speaker 3: Probably, And that's what I say. The balancing act is

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine so tremendous, because you can't just

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Speaker 3: ripping him, because you need access the next day, the

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Speaker 3: next week, the next month. So it's very difficult to

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Speaker 3: keep your credibility while while calling you a spade a

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Speaker 3: spade when it comes to the many things that Knight

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Speaker 3: did good and bad, and there were plenty of both,

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Speaker 3: So I think it's really hard. I can't imagine. I

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Speaker 3: think that when you when and and and that theirs

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Speaker 3: was about that level because again in Bloomington it was

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Speaker 3: IU basketball and oh, by the way, they played football. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he sort of got you to the basketball season. So

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have wanted that job. Seriously, during my time

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Speaker 3: had horror stories of being yelled at or sent out

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Speaker 3: when I'm covering him and Anderson with our guys that

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Speaker 3: like the Bloomington guys and even the indie guys. But

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Speaker 3: I saw how hard it was, how hard it could

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Speaker 3: be to deal with Bob Knight, how he just simply

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Speaker 3: talked down to people and dismissed people. And I think

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Speaker 3: he was hard on Bob Hammel at times, because that's

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Speaker 3: who Bob Knight was. Uh So, I again a legend,

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Speaker 3: and what he did was was helped so many people,

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Speaker 3: and he dealt was a very very difficult situation probably

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Speaker 3: about as well as you could. And did things maybe

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Speaker 3: while yes, I got this job as as the beat

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Speaker 3: had to keep in mind you always had to be

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Speaker 3: and I thought he did it about as well as

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Speaker 1: By the way, Chap before we get to the Colts.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you and I have crossed this

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Speaker 1: And that is when you really think about, Like right now,

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Speaker 1: if you just stop and close your eyes and you

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Speaker 1: think about one of those games, you know of Stu

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Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. The pack nature of the gym,

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Speaker 1: In the moment that those things were taking place in

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Speaker 1: that at some point two old guys on the radio

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Speaker 1: it truly was a magical time that I don't know

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I mentioned very tall. But my grandkids

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Speaker 3: participate in a basketball cam Mount Vernon Middle School last week.

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Speaker 3: Luke Levyan Anne and Ray Tolbert was one of the counselors,

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Speaker 3: one of the main guys, and I made it a

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Speaker 3: and we just talked. His eyes lit up. We go

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Speaker 3: back at he's a friend. He's the guy that through

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Speaker 3: the year. Jesus. Yeah. If I if I see somebody

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Speaker 3: walking in the ball like him, which stop and talk,

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Speaker 3: probably have lunch. But he he was the most dominant

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Speaker 3: high school player I ever covered. Not the best. Troy

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Speaker 3: Lewis was damn near the best. He was good.

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Speaker 1: He was really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I still there were moments and I can still

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Speaker 3: remember a game his senior year and they're playing l

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Speaker 3: Woods and now what's got Evie Cotton name sticks in

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Speaker 3: my head and they said, we're not going to be

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Speaker 3: you know, in all Ray Talbert, We're gonna take it

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Speaker 3: to the lane. He blocked eighteen shots, eighteen shots and you

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Speaker 3: know so, but that was him, mister basketball that year.

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Speaker 3: One of the more talented Indian All Star teams with

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Speaker 3: Talburt and Drake Morris and Steve Risley and Rick Lance

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Speaker 3: should have been mister Basketball. And it just went went

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Speaker 3: there were years in Madison County that I would have

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Speaker 3: taken our Madison County All Star team and given Indian

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Speaker 3: All Stars a hell of a game. I believe that

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Speaker 3: to this day with all the talent, and yeah, I

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Speaker 3: know I harp on that. But one of the things

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Speaker 3: I've got is on my key ring, I've got a

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one. It's a memorable thing when all those

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Speaker 3: little teat chain things in nineteen eighty one IU championship

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Speaker 3: and it was Ray. It was Ray and Isaiah Thomas

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Speaker 3: and Lanta Turner. I was there for the Bobby Wilkerson,

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Speaker 3: both of them into specthim in Philly. So those were

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Speaker 3: the glory days in Anderson and for a while for IU,

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Speaker 3: I mean really the unbeaten team and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I never grow tired. You know, football is what

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Speaker 3: I do, and that's what I've come to be. But

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Speaker 3: for my ten years at Anderson, Glory Days of nine

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Speaker 3: thousand the Wigwam and four or five thousand at Highland

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Speaker 3: and Madsen Heights, and what great times, just great times.

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Speaker 1: By the way, seventy six and eighty seven the bookends

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Speaker 1: of Bob Knight's titles. I always found it fascinating that

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Speaker 1: in both National Championship games, player number twenty suffered an

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Speaker 3: And again I talked to our bosses, just sending me

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Speaker 3: to each to each National Championship in seventy six and

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Speaker 3: eighty one, and I get there and to Philly the Spectrum,

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Speaker 3: and thing's a buzz against Michigan and Bobby gets blown up,

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Speaker 3: gets knocked out, literally knocked out, I don't know, five

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Speaker 3: you know, it was really pretty amazing. And I think

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Speaker 3: in the semi finals Wilkerson had like twenty rebounds against UCLA.

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Speaker 3: So again I just think it's I know, people thinking, yeah,

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Speaker 3: move on, no, that's all gone. Those were great times

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Speaker 3: with the Kent Bensons. And I'm still p o that

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wilkerson didn't make the Olympic team. I really am

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Speaker 3: heat because he deserved it. But I'll never forget those times.

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Speaker 3: And and my son told me, said, I didn't know

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Speaker 3: you you missed high school basketball that much. I said, well,

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Speaker 3: back then it was. It was special for ten years.

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Speaker 3: And just some of that memories is now Mark Barnheiser.

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Speaker 3: You know, we said all this stuff with Brooks Barnheiser.

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Speaker 3: I covered Mark Barnheiser when he would drop thirty every

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Speaker 3: night for lapel. So it was this a great time.

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Speaker 1: Chap. Let's get to my chapel. Our guest by the way,

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Speaker 1: CBS four and w x I in Fox fifth tonight. Okay, Chap. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Anderson did serve at one time as the home for

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Speaker 1: Colts Camp. It is now at Grand Park and Westfield.

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Speaker 1: Things get underway in terms of reporting tomorrow practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm most curious about. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk plenty of plenty about the quarterback and other

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Speaker 1: such situations over the course of camp. But I really

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Speaker 1: am curious to see how, if in any way things

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Speaker 1: feel look or seem different now without Jim Irsay and I,

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, in terms of fan engagement, kind hearted connection, enthusiasm,

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Speaker 1: all of those things for Jim Rsay will be missed

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Speaker 1: without question as a man, But just in terms of

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Speaker 2: but then you know, I didn't see him for a

433
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: long time. Then when we brought Coach back to live

434
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: in Bloomington, you know, four or five years before he passed,

435
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: it was great to see mister Hamill again because he's

436
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: always coming in and every week having dinner with my

437
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: dad and checking up on him. And but from my standpoint,

438
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: just I don't know if my dad had a better friend,

439
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, just because you know, mister Hamill could kind

440
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: of tell my dad's stuff that other people would be

441
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: scared to tell them. But just their love for sports,

442
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about two guys and they could

443
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 2: sit down and talk about baseball, football, basketball. I mean

444
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: it didn't matter. Most of the time. They didn't even

445
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: talk about Indiana basketball. I mean, it's usually you know,

446
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: my dad was a huge Yankees fan. Mister Hamil's a

447
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox fan. I mean, even towards the end,

448
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: even with my dad's Alzheimer's, he'd remember that. He'd always

449
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: wear his Yankees cap when mister Hamill would come visit.

450
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: And so it was just a great friend of my

451
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: dad's and helped my dad a lot, you know, just

452
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: through his whole life, just being one of those guys

453
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: my dad could talk to. He would never take anything personal,

454
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: just kind of knew how to handle my dad's temperament.

455
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: What do you think it was pat that allowed you know,

456
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: I mean your father in particular, So Bob Hamill arrived

457
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: in Bloomington in nineteen sixty six. He grew up in Huntington,

458
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: wrote for the Huntington newspaper and then came to the

459
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: Bloomington Harald telephone now the Herald Times. What do you

460
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: think it was that allowed your dad, I guess to

461
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: trust him and let him in because you know, while

462
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I did not know your father, well, obviously, I think

463
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: everybody knows that he didn't let a lot of people

464
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: in that inner circle. What do you think was the

465
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: source of the mutual respect between the two.

466
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know, talking to mister Hamill, especially these last

467
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: few years, you know, when he'd come and check on

468
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: my dad and we talked about it. So, you know,

469
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: mister Hamill's brother was a really good high school coach,

470
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: and when my dad got the job, his brother actually

471
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: like called him up and said, Hey, this guy's gonna

472
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: be great for Indiana. You know, I look what he's

473
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: done at West Point. We're finally going to play defense. Well,

474
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: mister Hamill wrote a skating article how my dad was

475
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: going to be awfuled Indiana. No one was going to

476
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: like the defense. I love scoring games. And so they

477
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: actually ended up at the same gas station pumping gas

478
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: for their cars, and of course mister Hamil's like, can

479
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 2: I look over there and there's your dad And I'm like,

480
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: oh boy. And so of course my dad gave him,

481
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: you know, a little heck. And but mister Hamill kind

482
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: of apologized and said, hey, this is that was just

483
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: my my feelings, blah, blah blah, and you know, miss

484
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: Hamil said he was just upfront with you know, and

485
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: and my dad was just like, hey, you know what,

486
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: when we do a real interview, I'll come pick you

487
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: up and bring you know, bring you by the office

488
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: and listen, sit down. So mister Hamil thinks it was

489
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: just being honest. Even though he wrote a skating arracle,

490
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: he just told him the reasons why he wrote it,

491
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: what his feelings were. But you know, he'd like to

492
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: know why my dad thinks his style would work. And

493
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, talking mister Hamil, it's just

494
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: his honesty. And you know he one lot favoritism. I

495
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: mean there's other stories like in seventy seven he wrote

496
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: an oracle. You know, guys were transferring, they didn't finish,

497
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, had a down year after going on the

498
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: feed in seventy six, and my dad called him like, hey,

499
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: I thought we were friends, and you know, mister Hamil's like,

500
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: we are, but I have a job to do. So

501
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: I think my dad always appreciated that, you know, if

502
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: you were honest with him and upfront and didn't sugarcoat thanks.

503
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: And I think that's what got their relationship off to

504
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: a great start.

505
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Pat had once heard Pat Knight, our guest, the head

506
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: basketball coach at Marion, I had once heard that when

507
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes was fired from Ohio State for punching Charlie

508
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Bouman after the Gator Bowl, you know, with Clemson, that

509
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: it was your dad, Bob Knight that called Woody Hayes

510
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: and said, look, you've got to back down from this,

511
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: like you can't. You've got to apologize to the kid.

512
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: You've got to make amends here. And that that And

513
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that story is embellished or if

514
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: that was accurate that it was Bob Knight that called

515
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes, But either way, I'm curious. Do you think

516
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: there were ever occasions where your dad may have crossed

517
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: the line or aired and Bob Hamil was the one

518
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: that spoke to him. Well, but well, I'm saying we

519
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: know that there were times he crossed the liner air,

520
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: But were there times where Bob Hamil was the one

521
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: that maybe was the one that had the ability to say, Bob,

522
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to walk this back.

523
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, definitely. That's why I was talking about, like,

524
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, the six Paul bears. He was one of

525
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: those guys and he could take it. You know, he'd

526
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: gotten kicked out of the office of the locker room,

527
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: but you know knew he was going to get a

528
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: phone call later, you know, if coach was wrong and apologized.

529
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: But he was one of those few guys that could

530
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: kind of you know, you may want to think about this,

531
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, and that story is true about Coach Hayes,

532
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: by the way, but uh, yeah, mister Hamill is always

533
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: one of those guys that you know, when the crap

534
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: would hit the fan, you know it was coach. It

535
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't even have to be on the basketball court, you know,

536
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: just you know, if he was upset with somebody or

537
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: did something. Yeah, mister Hamill is always one of those

538
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: guys that you know could kind of tell him in

539
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: a good way, knew how to approach it. But then

540
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: he didn't. But he knew that, you know, the messenger

541
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: could get killed at times, and but it never bothered him,

542
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: never held a grudge or anything because he knew deep

543
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: down that you know, my dad loved him, and you know,

544
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: eventually it may take a couple of good days. If

545
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: my dad was wrong, he would either stop by or

546
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: call him up. And but that was a great thing

547
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: about that relationship to have a guy like that and

548
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: not one of your assistants, not you know, an athletic director.

549
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, mister Hamill was a writer and just a

550
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: guy kind of on the outside looking in. And so

551
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: I think my dad could even trust him even more

552
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: from that standpoint, because you know, he didn't work for

553
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: the university one on his staff, and so mister Hamill

554
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: won a yes man. And so yeah, I think that

555
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: that's a good question, and you hit it right. Other

556
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: than those, yeah, mister Hamil is one of those few

557
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: people you know that could really, you know, have those

558
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: conversations with my dad.

559
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm curious, by the way, and I did not know, Pat.

560
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have done this. I did not know

561
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: that your father, Bob Knight, was a big Yankees fan.

562
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I would have assumed a Cardinals fan because of his

563
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: relationship with Larusa, or even a Red Sox fan because

564
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: of his admiration for Ted Williams. But when you were

565
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: growing up, one thing I don't recall you mentioning much

566
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: was baseball itself. Did you have a baseball team growing up?

567
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? So my dad, so the Reds were our team

568
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: growing up. I was bat boy for the Reds. We'd

569
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: go down to Tampa Bay, stay at the Reds Hotel.

570
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: We were really close to Sparky Anderson, the big Red Machine.

571
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, I was only like five six years old,

572
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: but I used Pete Pete Rose gave me his glove.

573
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: My brother and I his glove down at spring training.

574
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: And I actually used Pete Rose glove for my whole

575
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: baseball career. Everyone thought I was full of it because

576
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 2: they had fourteen on the thumb and rose across the knuckles.

577
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: Everyone thought I took a sharpie and did that. But

578
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: it's actually Pete Rose's real glove. And so the Reds

579
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: were our team. And then of course my dad and

580
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. We went over there all the time, and

581
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: LaRussa was there. But for him though as a kid,

582
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: it was always the Yankees through his whole life. And

583
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: then you know, he got to have a great relationship

584
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: with George Steinbrenner, and so his mom was a big

585
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Cleveland Indians fan being there in Ohio. But my dad,

586
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: for some reason, just you know, it was probably because

587
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: they were so good, grew up just loving all the

588
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: Yankees and but when it came to us growing up.

589
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: That was the time he got to know Sparky Anderson.

590
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: So we were around the Breads a lot when when

591
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, So that was my team.

592
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: But my dad always had that love for the Yankees though,

593
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: And so it's funny, you know, he and Hamill, even

594
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: my dad towards the end with the Alzheimer's, we could

595
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: get him going when it came to the Yankees and

596
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: the White Sox, and coach would put that hat on

597
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: when he knew mister Hamill was coming over. And uh.

598
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: But as one of the ways, you know, if he

599
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: was one having one of those bad days, we wasn't

600
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: talking a lot. We could always get him going with

601
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: something when it came to baseball.

602
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: And then what about from an NFL standpoint, I mean,

603
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: you and I grew up in an era where there

604
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: was no NFL team for the better part of our childhood.

605
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Did you have an NFL team growing up?

606
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: The Bengals. Yep, Cincinnati was because it's it's close by.

607
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: I actually got to tell my wife because we got

608
00:33:54,360 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: tickets to go to the Bengals Lions uh in October.

609
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: And I grew up, I actually got my dad got

610
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: me a Bengals helmet as a little kid for Christmas.

611
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: So it was the Bengals and the Reds when I

612
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: was growing up.

613
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: I would have thought he would have been your dad,

614
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: a Browns fan, just growing up in the proximity to Cleveland,

615
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: how big the Browns were, especially in that era.

616
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: He was well for some reason when we got to Bloomington,

617
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: everything was the Reds and the Bengals. But you know,

618
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: he has great stories of you know, meeting Coach Brown

619
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: and you know Hablecheck. No one knows this. Haplecheck was

620
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: going to play for the Browns because right orback was

621
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: so cheap with his contracts. My dad actually went down

622
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: to training camp when Habilcheck was trying out for the

623
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: Browns and actually convinced him to sign the contract with

624
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: the Celtics. And so, but it's kind of funny. I

625
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: don't know what happened with my dad kind of leaving Ohio,

626
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: kind of left the Cleveland teams behind, and growing up

627
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: is always the Cincinnati days.

628
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: You know, Pat, you should do you should have a

629
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: radio show. You should just do three hours of storytime

630
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: with that night, I'll take come in here and just

631
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: do it for three hours.

632
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: Wait, maybe if I have a job where you know,

633
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: I got where I don't have to be careful.

634
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, and I'm impressed by this,

635
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: and this is a sign of your maturation, which is impressive.

636
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what, fifteen eighteen minutes here and this

637
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: time no swearing, which is impressive, right, I promise you.

638
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean practice makes perfect, right.

639
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: But I got a great handle story that honest got

640
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: So you've seen coaches out takes, the golf out takes,

641
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

642
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Of course.

643
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: So we were talking and this is just you know,

644
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: here was a few months before like coach passed, and

645
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: we were talking about the golf out takes, and I

646
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: was telling my stories about you know clubs and the

647
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: I mean clubs in the lakes, up in the trees.

648
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Speaker 2: And so that day when Coach picked him up to

649
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: do their first like real interview, they stopped off at

650
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: the IU course and they got out of the car

651
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: and mister Hamil was like, you know, what were we doing?

652
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: And my dad was like, hey, just walk with me.

653
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: So they went to this one hole and my dad

654
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Speaker 2: went in the woods, started climbing up the tree. You know,

655
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: Mister Hamil's like what are you doing. He's like, well,

656
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: I threw my putter up here the other day he

657
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: got stuck in the tree. My dad climbed up the

658
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Speaker 2: tree and mister Hamill said, right when he got up

659
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Speaker 2: to the limb, the girls golf team started coming through,

660
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Speaker 2: and so my dad was so embarrassed. He didn't want

661
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: the girls golf team to see the brand new basketball

662
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: coach up in the tree looking for his putter. Mister

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00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Hamil said, he clung to that tree. Why, Like four

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Speaker 2: foursomes of girls went through, and mister Hamil said, mister

665
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Speaker 2: Hamil said, he just acted like he was going for

666
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Speaker 2: like a morning walk, you know. And he said, no,

667
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd never even heard that story before. And

668
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: he said, my dad clung to life, didn't say a word,

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Speaker 2: and like four foursomes of the girls went through, and

670
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Speaker 2: never knew that the new basketball coaches up in the

671
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Speaker 2: tree getting this putter.

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Speaker 1: If you had to guess, was that the only time

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Speaker 1: he ever had to go up in a tree and

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Speaker 1: get his putter?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, But when he got older, he'd send my

676
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: brother or the woods, the ponds, I mean, and not

677
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: just a club. I mean there were times where the

678
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: whole bag went into the water.

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Speaker 1: I do remember, and I'm not just making this up

680
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Speaker 1: for the sake of a radio show. The one thing

681
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: I remember when it comes to golf is during the

682
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: time that we were in college together. You one day

683
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Speaker 1: said you were going to go golfing with your dad.

684
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Speaker 1: It was in the off season, and you were back

685
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: home like forty five minutes later, and we're like, I

686
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: thought you were golfing today, and you said, yeah, my

687
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: dad had like a rough second hole, and that was.

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Speaker 3: The end of it.

689
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Speaker 1: That we did not play a team.

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Speaker 2: Bro. You gotta ask Brian Evans. We went to Portugal

691
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: to play this one. We're at Tech. We take these.

692
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: We go to Ireland and Scotland to play golf with

693
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Speaker 2: a big group guys. Brian Evans was on the trip

694
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Speaker 2: until the last day. We got to play with coach

695
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: and I mean he first hole, shanks a shot and

696
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 2: he takes his iron and it's like he's cutting a tree,

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00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: cutting down a tree his golf bag with his iron. Well,

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00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: we get to the next hole, he pulls his driver out.

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Speaker 2: Half the driver comes out. He had broken all his

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Speaker 2: clubs by hammering, so he had to borrow Brian Evans

701
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: and mine's clubs for the next seventeen holes because he

702
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: totally cut all his clubs in half from one bad

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Speaker 2: shot on the first hole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed as though, you know that the temper

705
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Speaker 1: was fairly famous. I mean, let's be honest, the temple.

706
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's another thing that what he

707
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: and mister Hamil relationship was so good. Now, mister Hamill

708
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: won an outdoorsman, so he didn't go fishing with the coach,

709
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: he didn't go golfing. I mean, their time spent together

710
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: was this, you know, two guys hanging out, telling stories

711
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: and talking about and so I think that even helped

712
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: their relationship more that you know, mister Hamil didn't have

713
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: to play golf with them, or tennis or go fishing

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: Marion basketball will be in season before we know it.

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Speaker 1: Pat Knight, the head coach, and Pat, I certainly appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time today, great stories as always, and your reflection

718
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: on Bob Hamil as well, and look forward to having

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Speaker 1: you back on to talk about everything you got going

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Speaker 1: on with the Night's basketball program, which will be here

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Speaker 1: before we know it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys have a good one.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it pat Night joining us on the program

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Speaker 1: Colts Rookies Report Today Veterans Tomorrow Practice getting underway, the

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00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: first one at Grand Park ten o'clock on Wednesday. That

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00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: holds true for Thursday as well, ten until eleven o'clock

727
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: in the morning practice, then Friday from ten until eleven

728
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Speaker 1: fifteen at Grand Park. Jjstankovitz of Colts dot com has

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00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: a column up after a long discussion interview. I guess

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Speaker 1: a glimpse into carly Er Gordon and exactly what carli

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Speaker 1: Ersa Gordon now with the unfortunate passing of her father,

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Speaker 1: but now becoming Even though all three of Jim Hersey's

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Speaker 1: daughters will entitle be listed as the directors or the

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Speaker 1: top brass for the Colts organization, carli Ersa Gordon is

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Speaker 1: ultimately the one of the three. I think where the

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Speaker 1: buck stops. But as the owner and CEO by title,

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Speaker 1: carli Ers Gordon with the article this is carli Ersa

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Speaker 1: Gordon's vision for the Colts. JJ wroate it joins us. Now, JJ,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with this. When you were preparing this particular story,

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Speaker 1: and I want to be you know, clear here to

741
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Speaker 1: offer for you. I guess the you know, this is

742
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Speaker 1: a situation where you're writing an article about and illuminating

743
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Speaker 1: the storyline of the person who is your boss, you know,

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: when it all comes down to it, so that there

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00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: has to be a delicate balance there. But what did

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Speaker 1: you learn when you were undergoing the process of just

747
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Speaker 1: kind of letting colts fans know exactly the vision of

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Speaker 1: leadership at this point?

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Speaker 4: You know, what I learned was the amount of time

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Speaker 4: and thought and energy that Carly has put into this,

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Speaker 4: you know, taking over ownership and handem with her sisters

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Speaker 4: for her dad.

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Speaker 2: It really is a mess.

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Speaker 4: And you know, even in a you know, two hour

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Speaker 4: conversation I had with her, I still I probably didn't

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Speaker 4: get the whole scope of everything that she has done

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Speaker 4: to prepare for this. And the thing that I wanted

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Speaker 4: to come through in the article, Jake, was, you know,

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00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: I've talked with Carly before, and all my conversations with

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Speaker 4: her are very interesting. I really enjoy them. I think

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Speaker 4: she's a very thoughtful person. What I wanted to come

762
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Speaker 4: through in the article was just she is put a

763
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Speaker 4: tremendous amount of work into this moment, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think, like the question I've been getting from a

765
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: lot of people is like, you know, well, how's it

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Speaker 4: going to be with you know, the daughters taking over

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Speaker 4: for their dad. And what I've told them and what

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Speaker 4: I wanted to get through in this article was like,

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Speaker 4: it's not like, you know, their dad passed away and

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Speaker 4: no one had any involvement in the organization, or they

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00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: were sort of nominally involved and you know, they were here,

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Speaker 4: but they weren't really doing a whole lot. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: they've been involved, and they have really applied themselves into

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Speaker 4: certain areas of the organization, and Carly applying herself to

775
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: learn as much about football as possible, which really is

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Speaker 4: in the kind of in the vein of what her

777
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: dad did where you know, Jim he when the team

778
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: moved from Baltimore to Indianapolis, his dad said, Okay, you're

779
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 4: the GM now, or any of CARSI resigned, You're the GM.

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Speaker 4: And he was in that role for ten years and

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00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: he learned a lot about football through that role. And

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Speaker 4: I think Carly over the last probably twelve thirty fourteen,

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Speaker 4: fifteen years has had kind of a Souller education in

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Speaker 4: the sport. And what I think that allows her to

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Speaker 4: do is to operate an Antol franchise with certain guardrails

786
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Speaker 4: that come from her knowledge of football, which I think

787
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: is a big positive for an organization to have that

788
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Speaker 4: in ownership, you know, to again kind of set those

789
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Speaker 4: guardrails and lay the tracks from the vision for what

790
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: the organization is going to feel like without meddling or

791
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: you know, criticizing. I guess like unfairly certain aspects of

792
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Speaker 4: it that.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense j J.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that and I'm this is a reality, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to be naive to realities. Okay,

796
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Speaker 1: there probably is a reality. I don't I don't think

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00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: amongst all, and I certainly don't think it's probably to

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00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: the number that it was, say thirty years ago. But

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Speaker 1: the reality is that there are those that are going

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Speaker 1: to say, like, well, you know, a female owner in sport.

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00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean that alone is obviously somewhat unique, but a

802
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: female owner within the NFL, and then on top of that,

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00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: one that inherited the ownership just through familial tie as

804
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, having a business empire elsewhere. Those

805
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: are two things that, albeit unfairly, are going to be

806
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: assumptions or stereotypes that are placed thereof from the outside.

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00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that she is aware of that or

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Speaker 1: even you know what I mean, gets caught up in

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Speaker 1: that noise.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, sitting here as a man, I

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Speaker 4: would probably I would have to just guess that you

812
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: can't not be aware of it as a woman in

813
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: football circles, right, But she has done a very intentional

814
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: job of you know, belonging in those environments. And I mean, look'

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Speaker 4: to kind of your larger point about you know it

816
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: is you know, I would assume most ownership groups and

817
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: most principal owners are men. But a team right now

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00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: in the NFL that is viewed as a model franchise

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Speaker 4: and how they've built things is the Detroit Lions, whose

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Speaker 4: principal owner, Sheila Ford hamp is a woman who inherited

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Speaker 4: the team. So I don't think that is at all

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Speaker 4: a you know, I think some people might be biased,

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Speaker 4: but there is a direct example five hours to the

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Speaker 4: north of us of how a woman run franchise can

825
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: operate incredibly well and incredibly successfully. So, you know, and

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Speaker 4: that's not to say anything of you know, anything else

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Speaker 4: about the Lions or you know what with the cult situation,

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Speaker 4: but look, I mean, car Carly knows a lot about football,

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Speaker 4: she knows a lot about leadership, she knows a lot

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Speaker 4: about people, and those three things lend themselves very well

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Speaker 4: to the direction the franchise, an NFL franchise can take

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Speaker 4: under ownership, whether that owner is a man or a woman.

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Speaker 1: Do you get the impression jj jj Stekovic is our

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00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: guest Colts dot Com. We're talking about and we'll shift

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Speaker 1: into just a second from now, the fact that the

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00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: Colts training camp is getting underway. But Carli ers Gordon,

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Speaker 1: that is the lead story right now on the website,

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Speaker 1: and in talking to her or her sisters, you know,

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Speaker 1: any of the three of them, And I don't know

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Speaker 1: this answer. Clearly they grew up around football, But did

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Speaker 1: they did they grow up as big football fans or

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Speaker 1: is it something that you know, it was just more

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Speaker 1: the business aspect that was of interest to them.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, they are all very knowledgeable about football,

845
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 4: and the history of this organization means a great deal

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Speaker 4: to them.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that did make the article was,

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Speaker 4: you know, Carly, Carly was talking about Dwight Spreeeney's Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Uh with this Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: Induction weekend and the kind of you know party they

853
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: had there and she something she mentioned was, you know,

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00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 4: I wish you could just bottle up the vibe in

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00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: that room and you know, kind of present it because

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00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 4: she was like, no one in that room was talking about,

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00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: you know, how shiny.

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Speaker 2: The trophy they all won was.

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Speaker 4: They were all talking about what it took to get there,

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Speaker 4: and you know, look, another part of it was, I

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Speaker 4: think it was at the Super Bowl year where you know,

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Speaker 4: mister Ersay was very intentional about involving his daughters within

863
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Speaker 4: team events, within team things. When you know, back then,

864
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Speaker 4: I think Carly would have been in an early twenty

865
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Speaker 4: Casey would have been maybe late teams. Calyn would have

866
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: been a team I don't you know know off the

867
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Speaker 4: top of my head on that, but you know, they're

868
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: all very involved and I think they all very much

869
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Speaker 4: took after their dad in terms of not just being

870
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, involved in the business side, but if our

871
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 4: if our family business is football, you know, we also

872
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 4: really like football. And I think you couldn't spend five

873
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: minutes talking to Carly without understanding she loves football. She

874
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: is a football junkie. She can get as deep in

875
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: the weeds as anyone when it comes to talk and ball,

876
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: and you know that that is really cool. She's a

877
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 4: very curious person when it comes to the sport and

878
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: because of that, she has learned a lot and really, uh,

879
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: you know, really enjoys the intricacies of the game. And

880
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: you know, the conversation she's had with you know, coaches

881
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: who have been in this building about how do you know,

882
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: how do you coach a cover two versus you know,

883
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: an inverted cover two? And certain you know, deep in

884
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 4: the weeds details like she has that because she wants

885
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: to learn and she definitely loves the sports.

886
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: You know.

887
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: One of the things I thought was interesting JJ in

888
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: your column is the quote and I'm not sure when

889
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: and where exactly she had said it, but when talking

890
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: about Anthony Richards, and maybe it was to you specifically,

891
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: but the quote where she basically said, and I'm paraphrasing,

892
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, there is still time for him to to

893
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: learn everything that goes into being a starting quarterback in

894
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: the NFL. Is there a little bit of like a

895
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: desired motivation or push that comes with that quote?

896
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 4: No, that I included that quote because it came at

897
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: the end of the section about you know, her kind

898
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: of talking about process and how you know, as an

899
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: owner you have to have a very a very broad

900
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: horizon to you know, look at things, and you know,

901
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: as part of that, she did say, you know that

902
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: there we still have time with Anthony, but competition is key,

903
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: and you know, nothing brings out the best and someone

904
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: like this, you know, having a sense of urgency, you know.

905
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Speaker 4: And I included that actually after she was talking about

906
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Speaker 4: you know, Grover Stewart and Nick Cross and their developmental

907
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: you know, curve, And I just think it was important

908
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: because that's what she said in the article. Is it

909
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 4: exactly how the Colts have operated this off season. It's

910
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 4: not like they they have thrown Anthony Richardson into the

911
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 4: number three spot or even the number two spot right

912
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 4: now in the quarterback depth chart. It's been we're bringing

913
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Speaker 4: in Daniel Jones to compete. We still believe in Anthony.

914
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: We think Daniel Jones has something he can bring to

915
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: this team. And at no point has Shane Styken or

916
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Speaker 4: Chris Ballard and said we've given up on Anthony Richardson

917
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: and Carl urthe Gordon Buttress bat by saying there's still

918
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 4: time everything that Chris Ballard and Shane Styken has said

919
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: this off season has been aligned with what she said

920
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: in the article. So I Drew, you know, I wanted

921
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Speaker 4: to put it in there because I thought it was

922
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: important for fans to hear what she had to say

923
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 4: about that situation. But it also came in the larger

924
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: context of having a process and you know, tolling that

925
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: fine line between being patient but not being too patient,

926
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: or you know, being reactionary but not being over reactionary,

927
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, when it comes to issues with think organization.

928
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, but again, Jake, it really was aligned with

929
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: everything else that we have heard from the coach and

930
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Speaker 4: the GM of the football team this offseason.

931
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Speaker 1: Jj, do we know you know, one of the favorite

932
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Speaker 1: things JJ Stankovic is our guest from Colts dot com

933
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Colts Again, Rookies reporting today, Veterans tomorrow, and then practice

934
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Speaker 1: gets under a Wednesday ten o'clock in the morning from

935
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Speaker 1: ten until eleven. That same schedule Thursday and Friday, Friday

936
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: goes until eleven fifteen. You know, one of the things

937
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: I think that fans most enjoyed about training camp was,

938
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Speaker 1: in fact, the Jim Mersey access, the fact that he

939
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: was out there. He would you know fans could talk

940
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: to him. Also the fact that he would answer a

941
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of questions to the media, you know, at some

942
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: point during camp and just kind of give almost like

943
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: a state of the Union type thing. Do we anticipate

944
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Speaker 1: that that continues?

945
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know that that that's you know,

946
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 4: probably above my pay grade here, but you know, I

947
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: do know like the press conference that currently ARTHSA Gordon

948
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: Casey Poyt and Kaylen Jackson had back in June. You know,

949
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: they they answered plenty of questions. I thought they all were,

950
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 4: you know, very impressive in that press conference. I don't

951
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: know what it will look like. And that's kind of

952
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: about all I can I can I can you know,

953
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: answer you on.

954
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: That one, Jake JJ. In terms of the I guess

955
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: camp itself, the biggest storyline to you of intrigue, not

956
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: including the quarterback position would be.

957
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: What okay, thank you, because I was like, if you

958
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: ask me the biggest storyline, you know you know what

959
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: it is.

960
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: Of course for me, I I'm really interested in.

961
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Speaker 4: How the defense comes together. If you look at what

962
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Speaker 4: lou An Riumo had in Cincinnati when those defenses were

963
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: good back in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,

964
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Speaker 4: it was a lot of veterans, a lot of veterans

965
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Speaker 4: in the back end of that defense. You know, you

966
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: look at Von Bell and Jesse Bates at safety, Knobia

967
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 4: Wuzi a cornerbacks, and I think what you look at

968
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 4: what this Colts defense has in the back end are

969
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: a lot of veterans and a lot of guys who

970
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: I think it's the way lou Aroumo wants to play defense.

971
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: And that's not just Tarvarius Ward and Cambinen who came

972
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: in saf season very obviously targeted moves, but you know,

973
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: Kenny Moore has inside outside flexibility. You know, Nick Cross

974
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: really came on last year in a really impressive way.

975
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 4: I think there's some really interesting stuff that lou Aroumo

976
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 4: can do with those guys in the back end. And

977
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Speaker 4: then do we see more blitzes? You know, Louenarumo is

978
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 4: a guy who isn't you know, we're not talking about

979
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 4: Brian flora is here or you know, Link Martindale, but

980
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 4: a guy who is going to blitz more than Gus

981
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: Bradley did. And how do how do those blitzes look?

982
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: How does the personnel upfront. Look with being in more

983
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: dying situations where you've got six DB's on the field,

984
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: I just think there's a lot that I really can't

985
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: wait to unbox with that defense in camp, because I

986
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: do think they have a chance to be pretty good.

987
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Speaker 2: Night.

988
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 4: We got to probably get the path trush to take

989
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: a step forward. I think that that kind of starts

990
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: with Layati Blotto taking a step forward.

991
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: But defensively, man, there's gonna.

992
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 4: Be some really interesting things that you know, I can't

993
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: wait to kind of track over the course of a

994
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: couple of weeks up a grand park.

995
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Speaker 1: And again everything getting underway Wednesday at ten o'clock in

996
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: the morning. I assume JJ once again all of the

997
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: like the family fun events and the kid events and

998
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: everything else that is accessible just to the outside of

999
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: the camper as you walk in as all all back

1000
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: there once again, right.

1001
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 4: It's back there. And I got to tell you can

1002
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: find my kids at Blues trick Shot Zone where they

1003
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 4: will be attempting to blues coming up with like a

1004
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: new trick shot every day, you know, those like videos

1005
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: that like blue and like Dude perfect to You can

1006
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: find my kids there, and you might even find me

1007
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 4: there if I need a little break from the eater

1008
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 4: or something, will pop over there and try to do

1009
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: a trick shot, which, by the way, when Blue had

1010
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: that set up at our media day, I did hit

1011
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: the trick shot. He had the little ping pong ball

1012
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: pounds and only three tries.

1013
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1014
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: The only weird thing about that is your kids are

1015
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Speaker 1: twenty six and twenty two.

1016
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 4: Right, no, they are five years old, But as a

1017
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: thirty six year old, I would happily spend some time there.

1018
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: Let's go, right, yeah, why not?

1019
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: Right?

1020
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Speaker 1: All right? Everything getting underway Wednesday, it will be we

1021
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: will be out there doing the show Wednesday, Thursday and

1022
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: Friday again Colts dot com, where you can read not

1023
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: just that story, but all the coverage as it relates

1024
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: to Colts Camp. JJ appreciate it as always.

1025
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for haarving me on, Jake appreciate it.

1026
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. JJ Stankovi. It's joining us from Colts

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Speaker 1: dot Com.