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Speaker 1: Guest Line. Java House critically important today because I am

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Speaker 1: so jet lagged. I've had a total of like nine

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Speaker 1: in handy, Java House Peel and Poor Guest Line. Joel

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Speaker 1: Ericson from the Indianapolis Star, Joel A, let's get right

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Speaker 1: to by the way. What's the A stand for again,

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Speaker 1: Joel Anthony? Anthony? Can I just call you Joel Anthony?

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Speaker 1: Isn't there an NBA player Joel Anthony? Am I wrong

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Speaker 1: in that?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I thought there was?

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Speaker 1: I think there was like some point guard Joel Anthony.

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Speaker 1: There's Cole Anthony. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of cold,

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Speaker 1: But there was a Joel Anthony that played with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Is he a

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Speaker 1: point guard? Center? Can I can we just from now on?

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Speaker 1: Can I just call you Miami Heats Joel Anthony?

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with it? Yes, absolutely, Okay, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's get to this though health standpoint. Where do

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Speaker 1: we stand in terms of I'll begin with Sherbarius Ward

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Speaker 1: and where things stand right now? From what you're hearing

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Speaker 1: on availability against Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's gonna They're gonna doesn't even return for

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Speaker 2: practice today. He's going to practice today, And I would say,

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Speaker 2: based on what we saw before they went to Berlin,

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Speaker 2: I think he's probably gonna play. You know, he's been

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Speaker 2: was getting close to being ready before that. But when

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Speaker 2: you're on injured reserve, you have to miss four games.

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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of expecting him to be out there.

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Speaker 1: The other defensive player I was just talking about in

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Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner, Joel and this news that DeForest Buckner and

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Speaker 1: I realized this is not new news, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I was gone, But the news of the stem cell

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Speaker 1: I'm still like old school enough that when I hear that,

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Speaker 1: on something because he's worried that nothing else is taking

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Speaker 1: Now this is clearly a newer injury for him. What

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Speaker 1: was your reaction or what seemingly is the reaction we

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Speaker 2: Well, the biggest thing is that Butckner has done this before.

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Speaker 2: He did it last year when he had the sprained ankle.

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Speaker 2: When he did the high ankle sprain, he went to

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Speaker 2: Panama for the exact same treatment to try to stimulate recovery.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is maybe not the stem

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Speaker 2: forest Buckner's not injured reserve at all is a suggestion

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Speaker 2: that this is a very serious injury because Buckner in

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Speaker 2: his career here has played through a ucl tair in

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Speaker 2: his elbow. He's played through essentially having one of his

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Speaker 2: if Butner has to be placed on injured reserve, it's

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Speaker 2: the kind of serious injury that you should be worried

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Speaker 2: other thing is, again, like outside of the stem cell stuff,

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Speaker 2: Shane Stiken keeps saying, we hope we get him back,

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Speaker 2: And that sticks out to me a ton because usually

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Speaker 2: he will say you know, yeah, we think we're going

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things speaking of that, that that Shane

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Speaker 2: I think I think it was just asked because you

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Speaker 1: What things Joel Joeli Erickson, Indianapolis, Starr is our guest.

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Speaker 1: What about Kansas City jumps out of you. We know

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing that jumps out at

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Speaker 2: this year. He still looks like a you know, productive

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Speaker 2: this team previously, and he just hasn't really been that

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Speaker 2: Is he maybe started He's played a lot of football

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Speaker 2: over the years. Is he starting to get up there

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Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you think, well, if

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Speaker 2: him in there against Quentin Nelson and Tanner Bordolini and Macinzalvez,

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Speaker 2: at least I do, and maybe look a little bit

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Speaker 1: Joeli Erickson is out at the Colts complex. Joel, if

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Speaker 2: I think so, And I think they kind of the

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Speaker 2: bye week came in a good time for them because,

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Speaker 2: you know, the team he referenced in passing this was

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Speaker 2: this will shock you. I'm sure that he didn't tell

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Speaker 2: He didn't lay out what he what he found. But

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Speaker 2: I they just did a self scout, and I think

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Speaker 2: I don't really put much stock in that. I think

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Speaker 2: on you know what the Falcons what the Steelers were

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Speaker 1: Okay, Joe, you went to Berlin then, right, I did. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so when you came back from Berlin. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think he got delayed a day coming back because

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Speaker 1: that was during the wonky stuff going on with air

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Speaker 1: did you get back? What day did you get back?

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Speaker 2: I was back at eleven thirty on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long did well?

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Speaker 1: What day did you start to feel normal again? Because

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Speaker 1: I was in Munich yesterday, and I got to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, Joel, as far as I know right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually talking to Zach Osterman like I you know

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Speaker 2: I started to feel good on I started to feel

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Speaker 2: normal on Wednesday. But well, I was in Germany. The

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Speaker 2: Erickson household got a stomach bug, and I thought that

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Speaker 1: You know what my understanding is, you know what is

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Speaker 1: supposedly very helpful for the stomach bug. Next time it hits, huh,

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Speaker 1: beer fairy. Just so you know, you gotta let the

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Speaker 1: the beer Farey can make a special delivery and then

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Speaker 2: Right? Is that the right medicine for it?

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Speaker 1: Probably?

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Speaker 2: Probably, I mean I'm willing to try. I'm definitely willing

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Speaker 1: I would I would say, probably.

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Speaker 2: Are you did I you help have a study? I'll volunteer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm I'm guessing they've done that and they have

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Speaker 1: just to hunch. Although again, you know what's interesting though,

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Speaker 1: is I'm messing. I'm guessing there's probably medical studies in

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Speaker 1: your home state of Wisconsin that say, absolutely, go for it.

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Speaker 1: The beer the beer Fairy is all about.

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Speaker 4: It, right.

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Speaker 2: I would say the the medical combined medical knowledge of

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Speaker 2: dairy farmers from the state of Wisconsin going back to

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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds would suggest that beer is the answer

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Speaker 2: to all medical maladies.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, you got a couple of cold run

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Speaker 1: ears in there, you'll start feeling better. Okay. Lastly, before

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Speaker 1: me up to speed here who we're looking at and

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on who could or could not be

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Speaker 2: Anthony Gould's going to practice. That's a big for punt returns.

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Speaker 3: have to lose and like take you know that old

437
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Speaker 3: thing about the volunteer and then everybody takes one step

438
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Speaker 3: back and then they're stuck out there. That's what they need,

439
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 3: They need everybody else to take one step back so

440
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Speaker 3: they look like the team that the Football Committee is

441
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Speaker 3: saying they are now.

442
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Speaker 1: But but Mike, I could not agree with you more

443
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Speaker 1: on the fact of and I've always believed, always believed,

444
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Speaker 1: and I can I will die on this hill that

445
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Speaker 1: the eye test is one thing, but the reputation test

446
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: is always there. And it is human nature that for

447
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Speaker 1: a Notre Dame or in basketball, for a Kentucky that

448
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Speaker 1: if you are a quote unquote bubble team, that you

449
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Speaker 1: get almost a like a human nature benefit of doubt,

450
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Speaker 1: of the fact that you just assume that that comes

451
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Speaker 1: with it a better quality than you know, a mid

452
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Speaker 1: major so to speak, that's having a great year. I

453
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Speaker 1: just I've always believed that that factors in.

454
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Speaker 3: I'm but okay with that. But they're not they're not

455
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Speaker 3: doing that. They're not sticking them at number twelve and

456
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Speaker 3: saying yeah, they'll get in wink wink. They're saying they're

457
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Speaker 3: one of the higher ranked teams that are uh. And

458
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Speaker 3: it's just there's just nothing to back that. It's it's all, well,

459
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Speaker 3: they're playing well. I mean well, yeah, but like Miami

460
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Speaker 3: went out and smoked NC State on the weekend on Saturday.

461
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Speaker 3: So now they're playing well again and they beat Notre Dame.

462
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Speaker 3: Why doesn't that put them in well?

463
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Speaker 1: And it feels to me, and I don't have the

464
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Speaker 1: schedule in front of me, Mike, but and I think

465
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is very good. I look and listen, I've

466
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Speaker 1: I did not grow up a Notre Dame. I'm not

467
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Speaker 1: an Notre Dame fan, is what I'm getting at. Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: But yes, Marcus Freeman, to me, you know, he seems

469
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Speaker 1: very likable and they they are playing well for sure. However,

470
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Speaker 1: it seems to me and it feels to me like

471
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Speaker 1: their quality of opponent was front loaded and that they

472
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Speaker 1: have kind of and I'm not looking at their schedule

473
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Speaker 1: in front of me, So maybe I'm wrong here. Notre

474
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Speaker 1: Dame fans will certainly tell me if I am, But no,

475
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Speaker 1: you're a you know, it's not like, yeah, sure they're

476
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Speaker 1: they're cruising along great, but at the same time they're

477
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Speaker 1: in the lane. They didn't have a lot of traffic

478
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Speaker 1: in front of it, right.

479
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Speaker 3: Right, The quality of their opponent was follloaded, but they

480
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Speaker 3: lost both of the difficult games that they played, right

481
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Speaker 3: fat yeah, you know, you know. I have a friend

482
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Speaker 3: who used to work at Notre Dame who said, to

483
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Speaker 3: an extent, it's not.

484
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Speaker 5: Their fault, but it's their problem that the rest of

485
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 5: their schedule is abysinal that produce not any good this year,

486
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Speaker 5: and Arkansas so bad they fired their coach, Anti states

487
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Speaker 5: not any good Pitt.

488
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Speaker 3: The Pitt win was probably a half okay win, but

489
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Speaker 3: not a great win. Pitt still has to play Georgia

490
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Speaker 3: Tech and Miami over the course of the next two weeks.

491
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Speaker 3: Now if they if Pitt goes out and wins those

492
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Speaker 3: two games, then they strengthen the quality of that win

493
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Speaker 3: and it knocks Miami out of them.

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Speaker 1: As you say, then it dilutes though one of Notre

495
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Speaker 1: Dame's losses, right yeah, I mean it.

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Speaker 3: Then it then it makes Notre Dame like Okay, Now,

497
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Speaker 3: it's justifiable to have Notre Dame ahead of Miami at

498
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Speaker 3: that point because Miami now has more losses and at

499
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Speaker 3: that point note Pitt may or may not but probably

500
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Speaker 3: won't be ranked entering the game, so it wouldn't be

501
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Speaker 3: as profound a win excuse me, a profound a loss

502
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Speaker 3: for Miami. So at that point then you can start

503
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Speaker 3: to make the case for Notre Dame having least multiple

504
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Speaker 3: quality wins. But at this point there, you know, Boston College,

505
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Speaker 3: you know Navy is a good quality team, but in

506
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Speaker 3: a mid major league, there's just not enough there to

507
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Speaker 3: justify Notre Dame being as highly regarded as they are

508
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Speaker 3: by the committee right now. And hey, you know what,

509
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Speaker 3: I did grow up a Notre Dame fan, you know,

510
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Speaker 3: when I became a journalist and all that, it's you know,

511
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: it's not a part of the deal anymore, but I did.

512
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Speaker 3: And so this is nothing against the Irish in general.

513
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Speaker 3: It's just that I think you've got to go by

514
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Speaker 3: what happened on the field.

515
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Speaker 1: Mike de Coursi is my guest from of course Sporting News,

516
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: Fox as well as the Big Ten Network. He's on

517
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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line. Let's go

518
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Speaker 1: back to basketball, Mike, in terms of the number one

519
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Speaker 1: team in the land, and that is Purdue. And you know,

520
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Speaker 1: I was talking earlier before you joined us about just

521
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Speaker 1: how much respect I have for Matt Painter and the

522
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Speaker 1: way that he has built this program. The players that

523
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Speaker 1: he has the stability, which is so rare in today's

524
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Speaker 1: college basketball of roster from one year to the next.

525
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Speaker 1: When you look at this team and the veteran level

526
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Speaker 1: of Purdue, if you had to pick an area and

527
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Speaker 1: nitpick an area where they could be vulnerable, it would

528
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Speaker 1: be rare.

529
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Speaker 3: I think the defense still has to show that it

530
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Speaker 3: can be high level. It doesn't have to be elite,

531
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Speaker 3: but it has to be high level. A year ago,

532
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Speaker 3: they ranked in the low fifties in defensive efficiency at

533
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Speaker 3: Kenpalm dot com, and that didn't prevent them from getting

534
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Speaker 3: to the Sweet sixteen, playing an eventual national finalist, to

535
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: within a whisker of victory from from playing having a

536
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Speaker 3: very good year. But the eight acknowledged, even mad acknowledged

537
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Speaker 3: at a point in February that he was not content

538
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Speaker 3: with where their defense was. And so that's I think

539
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: they're more physically powerful now they have the rim protection UH.

540
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Speaker 3: That's UH is provided by Daniel Jacobson at this point

541
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: two and a half blocks a game, and so they

542
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: have made improvements. But will they you know, are will

543
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Speaker 3: they be significant enough defensively to play at the at

544
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Speaker 3: the level that you need to play in order to

545
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Speaker 3: win a championship. I think that's those that's and that

546
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Speaker 3: and when you're when you're talking about what you have

547
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Speaker 3: to be to be a champion, that's you know, that,

548
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Speaker 3: isn't it? Picking to an extent, They're going to have

549
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Speaker 3: a great year. There's no doubt about.

550
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Speaker 1: That, Mike. When you look at the Big Ten, okay,

551
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Speaker 1: and the teams in the Big Ten, in the top

552
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Speaker 1: twenty five and in rankings at this point in the year,

553
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Speaker 1: I realized college basketball wives are you know? I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: we know prdue is justifiable there at the top. You

555
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Speaker 1: start getting into the fifteen to twenty five, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: you never know where teams are going to end up.

557
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: But gives you a barometer. Okay, Big Ten, you got Purdue, Michigan, Illinois,

558
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Speaker 1: Michigan State, UCLA, Wisconsin all ranked. Indiana's right there on

559
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Speaker 1: the outside looking at I think they're like second right

560
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: now in receiving votes. I've been really impressed with Darren

561
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Speaker 1: DeVries and that group, in particular offensively the cohesiveness of

562
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Speaker 1: which they can kind of find one another on the

563
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Speaker 1: floor for a group of players that are not used

564
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Speaker 1: to playing with one another. Your overall impressions of Indiana

565
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Speaker 1: of either what has surprised you to this point or

566
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Speaker 1: the area that you feel they still need to shore up.

567
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that it's hard to be one hundred

568
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Speaker 3: percent sure how effective this is all going to be

569
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Speaker 3: until really what happens in December is their schedule gits

570
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Speaker 3: really serious, really fast. They do get Case State on Tuesday,

571
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Speaker 3: and I think that's a big game for them and

572
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Speaker 3: one that would be really good for them to win.

573
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Speaker 3: But then in early December, they have a succession of games,

574
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Speaker 3: four games, two big ten games, neither one of them

575
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Speaker 3: against the top what we expect to be the top

576
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: echelon of the league Minnesota one on the road and

577
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: stayed at home. But mixed in that group is a

578
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: game against Louisville on a neutral floor and then a

579
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Speaker 3: road game against Kentucky. That's a really difficult four game stretch.

580
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Speaker 3: Even though Kentucky played poorly last night, you still look

581
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Speaker 3: at that being almost a month from now and one

582
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Speaker 3: that will be a real challenge for the Hoosiers, and

583
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Speaker 3: so that's when we'll really get a field. But to date,

584
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Speaker 3: they've been everything that they needed to be in order

585
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Speaker 3: to be in order to have a successful year. They

586
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Speaker 3: have shot the basketball really well. As you mentioned, They've

587
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: been really connected, averaging twenty two assists a game. They've

588
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Speaker 3: been out standing in that department. They've got two guys

589
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: averaging more than four a game. So they are moving

590
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: the basketball, sharing the basketball, getting to quality shots, and

591
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Speaker 3: converting those shots. They did blow out Marquette earlier in

592
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Speaker 3: the year. Still not certain how good Marquette's going to

593
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Speaker 3: be at this point. Maybe I'm doubting Marquette because of

594
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Speaker 3: what Indiana did to them, but I will know more

595
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: in a month or so. But I think everything that

596
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Speaker 3: they've done today has been pristine.

597
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Speaker 1: I thought the thing about the Marquette game, Mike, to me,

598
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Speaker 1: that was impressive, and I realized that Shaka smarts group.

599
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Speaker 1: Like Indiana, he's got newer faces right that they're still

600
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Speaker 1: learning each other as well. But I just assume, and

601
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Speaker 1: again this goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

602
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Speaker 1: Human nature says that you go with precedent, sometimes with

603
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Speaker 1: a program, and say, well, this is what I think

604
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Speaker 1: of them, because that's what I've seen from them in

605
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: the past. Marquette was Shaka smart. Teams to me in general,

606
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: are extreme, only tenacious and unforgiving defensively, and for Indiana

607
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Speaker 1: to put up one hundred points on them, to me

608
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Speaker 1: was very impressive, even though that might be a Marquette

609
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Speaker 1: team that is totally different in March defensively than where

610
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Speaker 1: they are now. Is that a fair assessment?

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, that's that has

612
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: been what his teams have been. No doubt, this is

613
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: a little different Marquette team because they're not quite as

614
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Speaker 3: dynamic in the front court as they like to be,

615
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Speaker 3: and they are in the back court, but I think

616
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Speaker 3: sometimes they leak a little bit to the goal and

617
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Speaker 3: that's where they just don't have. They just don't have

618
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Speaker 3: a last line of defense in somewhat the same way

619
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Speaker 3: as Purdue didn't a year ago. That that caused problems

620
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Speaker 3: for the Boilers down the stretch, especially mid to late

621
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Speaker 3: February of this past season. And I think that that's

622
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Speaker 3: Marquette's weakness at the moment. But again, you put up

623
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Speaker 3: one hundred points on any high major team, it's impressive.

624
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: You had to do, really, and that's what we were

625
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: talking about before, with the passing, with getting to quality

626
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: shots out of their offense, with running good stuff, with

627
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Speaker 3: running that stuff pretty crisply for again only having been

628
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Speaker 3: as this group has only been together since since what

629
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Speaker 3: officially since the start of school. They can practice a

630
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Speaker 3: little bit more now than they used to be able to,

631
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Speaker 3: but still everybody else can too, and Kentucky hasn't figured

632
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Speaker 3: it out for instance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mike, Lastly, when it comes to the Big Ten,

634
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this. You heard me mention

635
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Speaker 1: everybody that's ranked or at least that is expected to

636
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Speaker 1: be nationally competitive here out of the Big Ten. Give

637
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Speaker 1: me the Big Ten team that Mike DECURSI looks at

638
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Speaker 1: and says, people might not be talking about them in November,

639
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Speaker 1: but I've got a feeling by mid January to early

640
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Speaker 1: February that's one of them that we could be saying

641
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Speaker 1: to ourselves, this is a pretty darn good basketball team

642
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Speaker 1: that has well coached and somebody you don't want to

643
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Speaker 1: have to face, not named Indiana. What Big Ten team

644
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Speaker 1: would it be?

645
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Speaker 4: You know?

646
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: I watched Nebraska the other night and was really impressed.

647
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Speaker 3: They played against Oklahoma on a somewhat neutral floor in

648
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: South Dakota, and they were really good. Pryce Sanford was

649
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: magnificent in that game. We saw a rink mask come

650
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: back from having missed a full year to injury. You

651
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: still have the coach's son out there playing hard. He's

652
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Speaker 3: doing a terrific job. It's a nice team and they're

653
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Speaker 3: going to be a problem for opponents. Look, one of

654
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Speaker 3: the interesting things that you can monitor at this stage is,

655
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Speaker 3: and this is something that's of great importance really to

656
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Speaker 3: both I you and Purdue fans, is what's the rest

657
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Speaker 3: of the league doing? And a year ago the SEC

658
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Speaker 3: was just cleaning everybody up, and they wound up with

659
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Speaker 3: fourteen teams in the tournament. And it's only been two weeks,

660
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Speaker 3: but at this stage the Big Ten is sixty nine

661
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Speaker 3: and four sixty nine wins, four losses as a league. Now,

662
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Speaker 3: a lot of those wins are against the Carnate Word

663
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Speaker 3: and all that, but they've also played a significant number

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Speaker 3: of games against the SEC. Michigan State's won two of

665
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Speaker 3: them themselves. I mentioned that Nebraska over Oklahoma, that's another

666
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Speaker 3: SEC win. And they've won games against major opponents as well.

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Speaker 3: So far that the league has looked really strong and

668
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Speaker 3: that bodes well for all of the teams that in

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Speaker 3: terms of their their victories will be judged at in

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Speaker 3: terms of the quality for seeding, and if it comes

671
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Speaker 3: to that, I certainly don't think it will for Purdue,

672
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Speaker 3: and I don't think it probably will for Indiana, but

673
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Speaker 3: also selection it'll matter for them as well what the

674
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Speaker 3: quality of their wins is. And I think the I

675
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Speaker 3: think a Big ten victory is going to be worth

676
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Speaker 3: a lot this winner.

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Speaker 1: Mike, I'm with the question that I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you complete permission to this evening city of your wife.

679
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Speaker 1: I did a sports radio show today and this guy

680
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Speaker 1: asked me the dumbest question I've ever been asked on

681
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Speaker 1: a sports talk radio program.

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Speaker 3: Well, do you sure you want to do that, Jake?

683
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Speaker 3: Because she knows you, so she won't.

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Speaker 1: Be surprised, is what we're getting at. Right, she'll say

685
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Speaker 1: that's far for the course. But honestly, and I don't

686
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Speaker 1: remember if I've asked Sometimes it becomes difficult for me

687
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Speaker 1: to remember, like conversations I have on the air, off

688
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Speaker 1: the air, that kind of thing. I don't believe I've

689
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Speaker 1: ever asked you this. You are native to Pittsburgh, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things about Pittsburgh that I only

691
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Speaker 1: recently became more aware of as a kid, I was

692
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Speaker 1: completely unaware of it. I think a lot of people were.

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Speaker 1: Is the fact that mister Rogers neighborhood Fred Rogers and

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Speaker 1: that program was done on public television epicentered out of Pittsburgh.

695
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Speaker 1: Because he's a native of La Trobe, he had grown up.

696
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Speaker 1: I think he was in the same class as Arnold

697
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Speaker 1: Palmer as a kid. But I'm strictly curious in the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh culture, in the city of Pittsburgh and the seventies

699
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Speaker 1: when you had We Are Family and Willie Stargel and

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Speaker 1: the Steel Curtain and you know, and everything that goes

701
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Speaker 1: with the sports and the great sports in the seventies

702
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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh in the sixties. What was Fred Rogers in

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh culture growing up in terms of was he

704
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Speaker 1: celebrated and known as Pittsburgh's own or were kids growing

705
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Speaker 1: up in Pittsburgh like I was in Indianapolis, completely unaware

706
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Speaker 1: that his neighborhood was in fact truly their own neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Just what kind of a presence was he?

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Speaker 3: He was a tremendous presence. I think that what you

709
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Speaker 3: didn't realize at the time, Like we had these various

710
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Speaker 3: characters in local television here, there was a guy named

711
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Speaker 3: Bill Cardill who did this Saturday night monster type movie

712
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Speaker 3: thing and it was called Chiller Theater and they called

713
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Speaker 3: him Chile Billy Cardilly and so that was that. So

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Speaker 3: we didn't know that mister Rogers was any different than that.

715
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was huge here, but we did know

716
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Speaker 3: he was huge there. I think that's the difference, right,

717
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Speaker 3: Like we we had these different local PD icons and

718
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Speaker 3: Fred just kind of felt like mister Rogers felt like

719
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Speaker 3: like he was one of them, he was ours. We

720
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Speaker 3: didn't realize that. You know. Maybe my older sisters realized,

721
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Speaker 3: like when Fred Rogers testified in front of Kong to

722
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Speaker 3: help secure public televisions.

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Speaker 1: Ten million dollars or whatever it was he got.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were aware of that maybe, but I at

725
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Speaker 3: that age, was not for me. You know, Fred Rogers

726
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Speaker 3: was on Channel thirteen, Mister Rogers Neighborhood. We watched it

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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, it's one of those things

729
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Speaker 1: that if I was from Pittsburgh, you know, that would

730
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Speaker 1: be the number one thing that I would be proud of,

731
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Speaker 1: is the fact that that was the city that was

732
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Speaker 1: his home, you know what I mean Like that that

733
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Speaker 1: it's just like such a just an ubiquitous presence amongst

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Speaker 1: everything that was right aboutildhood in the United States, and

735
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Speaker 1: they have that come out of Pittsburgh. If I was

736
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Speaker 1: a native of Pittsburgh would have been something a feather

737
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Speaker 1: in the cap. Although I did love the Steelers and

738
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Speaker 1: lyn Swan.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie that that's.

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Speaker 1: Right there with it, right, absolutely, Mike. Appreciate the time

741
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Speaker 1: as always, and we'll see what happens with Notre Dame.

742
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: On the football side of things. Brent already sent me

743
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Speaker 1: a text and said, this guy's crazy. His take on

744
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is wrong. I said, I told you if

745
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: it's if you got to take on Notre Dame, it's wrong.

746
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans will let you know, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I'm sure. I'm sure they're not happy with

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Speaker 3: me at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the time as always, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jake.

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Speaker 1: Mike of course he joining us Java House, Peel and

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Speaker 1: Jake for the fan bundle Jake twenty five for twenty

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Speaker 1: grateful for Java House because little jet lag going on.

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Speaker 1: For certain have no idea what time. It is for

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Speaker 1: the most part, but not a problem. Java House dot

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Speaker 1: for the fan bundle, that's Coffee Wrangler Energy Drink and

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Speaker 1: the Liquid Science Hydration. Joining us now on the Java

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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. He is with SI

762
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Speaker 1: that Sports Illustrated covering the NFL. Matt Verderram joins us

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Speaker 1: and Matt whoever would have guessed it that we would

764
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Speaker 1: be at a point where the Colts would be relevant

765
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Speaker 1: enough that this game is a big one in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: It is the only franchise Patrick Mahomes has never beaten

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Speaker 1: in the regular season. You will only hear that two

768
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Speaker 1: thousand times between now and Sunday. But the question is

769
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Speaker 1: from the standpoint of Kansas City, what is it about

770
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs that this year has made them more vulnerable

771
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Speaker 1: than what we have seen in years past.

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Speaker 4: They've always been great when they've needed to be, and

773
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Speaker 4: this year they've been the polar officer of that. They

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Speaker 4: have not been able to focus. You know, they've had

775
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Speaker 4: five losses this year. Three of them they've had ten

776
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Speaker 4: or more penalties in those games. They've been a disaster

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Speaker 4: on special teams not so much. You know, they haven't

778
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Speaker 4: given up a return for a touchdown or anything like that,

779
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Speaker 4: but they've kicked the ball out of bounds, miss landing zones.

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Speaker 4: They've they've had extra points who get blocked. They've missed

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Speaker 4: extra points, they've missed easy field goals, they've given up

782
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Speaker 4: a ton of yardage and returns, and they've taken If

783
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Speaker 4: they haven't taken the most penalties on special teams, they've

784
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Speaker 4: got to be right up there. I mean, they've they've

785
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Speaker 4: beating themselves in a lot of ways. Mahomes the last

786
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: two weeks has not played well. He's made some throws.

787
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Speaker 4: He's also made some horrendous throws these last two games.

788
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Speaker 4: And so I think, look right now, they smack of

789
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Speaker 4: a team that just looks absolutely exhausted. They just look

790
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Speaker 4: like they've run out of gas. And you know, maybe

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00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: that's an oversimplification, but it was like a team that

792
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Speaker 4: other teams are getting up for them and they're ready

793
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Speaker 4: to play them. Hess do not look ready to play

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Speaker 4: these games.

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Speaker 1: Could it also be Matt that in this may be

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Speaker 1: way off base because it almost feels like it's too obvious,

797
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Speaker 1: but that Andy Reid is as great as he is

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Speaker 1: in as gifted as he is an offensive you know,

799
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Speaker 1: lab scientists and all of those things. So much of

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Speaker 1: their offense was based upon the flexibility the versatility of

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, and now just simply put with him getting

802
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Speaker 1: older and being less available in some of those plays

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Speaker 1: that it has grind you kind of slowed down everything

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Speaker 1: else within their offense. Is that too simplistic an observation?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's too simple. A look Kelsey's

806
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: actually haven't. I mean, he's got the second most receiving

807
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Speaker 4: yards in the league for tight end. Then he's been

808
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Speaker 4: much very normal as a year ago. I think he's

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Speaker 4: in better shape this year. Did he tell you that?

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Speaker 4: I think part of it though, that you said that

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Speaker 4: is very true. The Chiefs are somewhat of victim right now.

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00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 4: They're own successes and that like Andy Reid, they just

813
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Speaker 4: have not changed the offense right in years and haven't

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Speaker 4: had to. Like they They've just dominated and at times

815
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Speaker 4: this year they've been awesome offensive. They have had some

816
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Speaker 4: games this year where it looks like they'll never punt

817
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Speaker 4: the ball again, But the last two weeks they've played

818
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Speaker 4: teams that are like the Bills aren't a divisional rival

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Speaker 4: for Kansas City, but they might as well be. They

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Speaker 4: play them every year twice and Denver, of course, actually is.

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Speaker 4: And these teams know what they're doing. It's no secret.

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Speaker 4: And in this game, I mean, look, Steichen was in

823
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Speaker 4: the AFC West, he coached with the Chargers. He coached

824
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Speaker 4: the chief against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 4: he had a lot of success that night, even though

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Speaker 4: they lost. You know, lou Ana Roumo has seen the

827
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Speaker 4: Chiefs a million times, and that is to conserve you're

828
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Speaker 4: in Kansas City, Like, are they gonna do anything different?

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Speaker 4: You know, the Chiefs have been very good, for example,

830
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Speaker 4: running out of under cent their place, they've been awesome

831
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Speaker 4: under center. They never do it. They will get under center,

832
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: they'll run for twenty yards on two plays, and they'll

833
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Speaker 4: never do it the entire rest of the game. And

834
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Speaker 4: it's just it feels like they are trying to manufacture

835
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Speaker 4: yards instead of just letting their playmakers go out and

836
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Speaker 4: make plays because that's what the offense been and it's

837
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Speaker 4: it's stale right now. It's stale. It's not working, and

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00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: it's it's a problem. I mean, they are if you

839
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Speaker 4: look at throwing charts from the home. They do nothing

840
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: in the intermediate area. Nothing, There's nothing in the middle

841
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: of the field, there's nothing between the hashes. It's all

842
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: on the outside. It's all short or it's fifty yards

843
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: out of the field. And it's been a problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Colts on the other side of it, Matt,

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious the national standpoint of this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you obviously saw plenty of Daniel Jones in New York

847
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Speaker 1: with the Giants, you know, in watching the league, and

848
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: of course the narrative on Jones when he got to

849
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis was, yeah, this is a guy that's a cast

850
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Speaker 1: off because he couldn't protect the football of New York,

851
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: amongst other issues that rose up. Right, we're starting to

852
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Speaker 1: see a little of that. Is is this which is

853
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Speaker 1: the real Daniel Jones here? Like in other words, are

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Speaker 1: we now finding out that perhaps the first six to

855
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Speaker 1: seven weeks was the anomaly or is this just like

856
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: a little hiccup and where and he goes back to

857
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Speaker 1: being what he was the first six to seven weeks.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it could be somewhere in between. Honestly, Look,

859
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: the first eight games the Colts played, they allowed nine sacks.

860
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: They were tremendous upfront, and then against Pittsburgh and against Atlanta,

861
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: those two teams basically just said, we are blitzing as

862
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: much as we can possibly blitz and you're gonna have

863
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: to be this doing it. And they shocked them twelve

864
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Speaker 4: punch and he turned the ball over a bunch. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's to use the word you used earlier, that's an

866
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: oversimplification of it. Like there's more to it than just that,

867
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 4: But like that was the kind of overarching theme. I

868
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: watched every snap of those two games. Those defenses basically

869
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: just said, we're not even gonna hide the fact we're blitzing.

870
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 4: Do something about it. Now in this game, He's gonna

871
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: be very interesting because the Chiefs has always been a

872
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 4: high blitzed team under Spignelo, but they have not blitzed

873
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: very much at all the last couple of weeks, and

874
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 4: they have been beaten in big spots that they normally

875
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: They were normally very very good on third lawn, they're

876
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: very good in those downs, and bone Nicks repeatedly beat

877
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: him because they kept dropping seven and the chief task rush.

878
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: Outside of Jones and Carl offices staff, nobody can do anything.

879
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: So a lot of times the Chiefs have been pretty successful.

880
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: It will blitz, will bring five, will play some man

881
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: covers behind it. The secondary is the strength of that

882
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: defense my mile. And so I wonder in this game,

883
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: based on the chief failure is their last two weeks

884
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 4: the Colts struggles to block on some of these blitz

885
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 4: backs the last two weeks. I wonder if this game

886
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 4: that that's what this game is about, is what does

887
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 4: Jones do? And the Chiefs just bring six guys and

888
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: they just man up everybody on the back end and say,

889
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: go ahead and do it proo ball. And I think that,

890
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: you know, I think if you're the Chief in this game,

891
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: your your number one thing is stop Jonathan Tayler's obviously

892
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: not easy, but that'll be the plan. And number two

893
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: it's going to be We're going to keep Jones up

894
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 4: like crazy and see what happens. And it's it's look,

895
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 4: it's a dangerous thing because if you don't get home,

896
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: the Colts have a lot of weapons, you got problems.

897
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: But it's I think that's probably what Spagnola is going

898
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: to do in this game is just go after him

899
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: a ton of bootz packages.

900
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Matt Erderram is our guest Java House Peel and poor

901
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: guest line. He is with Sports Illustrated. Of course you

902
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: look at it right now. Is Jonathan Taylor the front

903
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: runner for MVP?

904
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: No, because look in a just world he should be,

905
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: but he's a running pack. I think I think he

906
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: is absolutely the front runner and would almost be shocking

907
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: if he didn't win as all of these stage healthy

908
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 4: for Offensive Player of the Year that I think he

909
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: will win going away. MVP, I think is at this

910
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: point it's the quarterback Award. It shouldn't be, but it is.

911
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 4: We've all turned it into that. Like I think at

912
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: this juncture, you know it's gonna go to I think,

913
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: you know Stafford or trade may are the two guys,

914
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: you know, if you know, if the Bills are or

915
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: even a Kansas City have some crazy fintasy win out

916
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: or something in the quarterback for outrages, maybe one of them,

917
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: but probably not. It's probably Mayor or Stafford. You know,

918
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: throw Donald in there as kind of a dark horse.

919
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: So this past week I think I took him out

920
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: of it. Taylor has been the best offensive player in football.

921
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: You know, he Jackson Smith's and Jigba, but it's just

922
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 4: so hard, you know, Taylor to have any shot, he's

923
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: gonna have to rush the two thousand yards. And we

924
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 4: saw last year Barkley was unbelievable for Philadelphia, and there

925
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: was really no quarterback that had a great year. I mean,

926
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: Jackson had the measure forty one touchdown, passes, four picks,

927
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 4: and yet they gave it to Allen, who was statistically speaking,

928
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: was fine, but Barkley never really got close to winning it.

929
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: I think Taylor walks away with Offensive Player of the Year,

930
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 4: which is basically the non quarterback MVP. I don't think

931
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: anybody who's not a quarterbacks on win the mvpick.

932
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Matt, I'm going to read to you right now.

933
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this for both conferences. Okay, in the

934
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: AFC right now, if the playoffs were to begin today,

935
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: which they don't, but if they were Denver, Jacksonville, New England,

936
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers, Colts, Bills, and Steelers. Okay, from well, I'll

937
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: just put it to you this way. Of the of

938
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: those teams that I just mentioned, give me the three

939
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: that you're most sold on are in fact, can maintain

940
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: it till the end of the year.

941
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: Legit, Well, despite issues that I think are going to

942
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: eventually get them in January, Buffalo because of their track record,

943
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: I would say Buffalo Indianapolis at this point. Look, I

944
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 4: mean they're gonna win the division. I think Indianapolis clearly

945
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: is a team that, like I think, at minimum sure

946
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: win a playoff game, and depending on their massups, who

947
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: else could get Santa Clara? I would say New England.

948
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: I know, look, the Pacers to play nobody, but they

949
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: played the Bucks, they played the Bills, they were on

950
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: the road. They want them both like those are real wins, now,

951
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: you know. Look, other than that, it has been like

952
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: just a ridiculous schedule. They basically played like the mac

953
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: all year long, okay, but.

954
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: Play only on Thursday nights in forty degree weather in maction, right, Yeah.

955
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 4: They played like the Ohio Bob catch light start. I mean,

956
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: it's just been unbelievable. What a joke their schedulement. But

957
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 4: I think May is legit. Rabel's a really good coach.

958
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: But that's kind of a thing with the AFC. You

959
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: need the AFC. I can make a case for any

960
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 4: of those teams outside of probably Plak, Pittsburgh and Jacksonville

961
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 4: to win a game, maybe even win two. I could

962
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 4: also make a case for any of them, including by

963
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: the way, Kansas City and Baltimore. Should they get in,

964
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: any of them go to the super Bowl the first round.

965
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, roty dock me.

966
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's such a weird year, really is.

967
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Well, the same can be said. So I'm going to

968
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: ask you the same question. Let me read off the NFC. Okay, Philly,

969
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: the Niners, La Rams, Green Bay, Chicago, Seattle, and Tampa.

970
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: Give me the three that you feel the most confident

971
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: about it that group I just read off to you.

972
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 4: The Rams, the Eagles, the Seahawks. For me, now see,

973
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: to me is a little weird. Like to the NFC,

974
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: I feel like the teams are a little more established.

975
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: I mean, the Bears obviously aren't, like the Bucks have been.

976
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: There a lot.

977
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: The Eaves of course, the Rams, of course, assuming the

978
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: Lions figure out a way to get an act, they

979
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: will like they've been there. If the Packers get in,

980
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: they've been there. But it's it's again, it's true like

981
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: I think the Rams are the best team in football.

982
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: I don't think it's by a massive degree, but I

983
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: think for the best team. That being said that the

984
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: Rams are two seats, the lines are a seven seat.

985
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: I would I would go into that game being like

986
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't know the fifty to fifty, Like who knows

987
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: going in that game? You know? Then you'll get the

988
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: Eagles and you say they can't score a point, but

989
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: they keep went in so like at some point like

990
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: how seriously do you just say, hey, look, they're the

991
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: best team this year? I will say one thing. In

992
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: the playoffs, regardless of the conference, you are gonna have

993
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: a lot of compelling games. Yeah, because I who knows,

994
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this here day. I don't think

995
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 4: this is going to happen. Although it is possible, there's

996
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: a world in the AFC that the Bills a chief

997
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: from the Ravens of the wildcard teams, Like, what do

998
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: you do with that? I think all three of those

999
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 4: teams would be fair, Like those teams would probably be fair.

1000
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: They with the Pittsburgh, Denver, New England, they're probably all favorites.

1001
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: And what's funny, Matt is I would agree with you

1002
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: that in your mind, the three best teams perhaps in

1003
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: the AFC or or you know, or the things going

1004
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: into it, the teams we thought were going to be

1005
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: the strongest are on the outside looking in or on

1006
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: the customer right. Whereas, however, that NFC docket that I

1007
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: just told you feels like it has more depth of superiority.

1008
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?

1009
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the NFC to me has much more depth

1010
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 4: in the conference. But you know the thing with the

1011
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: AFC that makes it so hard to really kind of decipher.

1012
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: You know, the Ravens. Now, their track record in the

1013
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 4: playoffs is a disaster. Okay, they're band dance in the Olympics.

1014
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: That Billy finally won a lillahamma right like it's but

1015
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: their track record before that is they're unassailed. Well, they're

1016
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: gonna win twelve thirteen games. They're gonna be there. Buffalo,

1017
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 4: same thing. Kansas City. Obviously, they're they're a dynasty. I mean,

1018
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: they've been there, they've done that, and so I think

1019
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: everybody looks at those teams and goes, Okay, we know

1020
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: what they are, we know what they can bring to

1021
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 4: the table. Indianapolis is brand new and with a quarterback that,

1022
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: let's be honest, a lot of people are still looking

1023
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 4: at and going, what are you really like are you

1024
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: are you really capable of making a run like this.

1025
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: I think Seattle's kind of got the same thing where

1026
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: yoga Darled and go love the team, but what are

1027
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: you going to do in a huge spot. It's just

1028
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 4: it's an unknown Denver. I think everybody looks at and

1029
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: says defense is awesome, But do you really trust that

1030
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: offense in a playoffs right? Well, I mean, you know,

1031
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: and that's where we are in that conference.

1032
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: So the Colts offense, I mean with Daniel Jones. I

1033
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: want to go back to this. Matt verderram our guest

1034
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated, do you believe, I guess a two

1035
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: part question. Do you believe that Chris Ballard and the

1036
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: Colts brass are convinced and determined that Daniel Jones is

1037
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: in fact the long term guy and they need to

1038
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: sign him, you know, re sign him. That's question one,

1039
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: and the counter or the other part of that would

1040
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: be do you think they should feel that way?

1041
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 4: So when they made the trade for Sauce Gardner, that

1042
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: told me everything I need to know about how they

1043
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: feel about dangers. Because if you're doing if you're making

1044
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: that trade and you're trading away a massive chunk of

1045
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: your future, yep, you're doing that saying we have our quarterback,

1046
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: because you're not. You're you're insane if you're making that trade,

1047
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: if you don't think you have a quarterback like I.

1048
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 4: I'll be very honest, I was. I was surprised if

1049
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: Colts did that, just because first of all, Ballard, well,

1050
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: he has made big trades before. I mean, he got

1051
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 4: Buckner and that cost first round picking it like, he

1052
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: is typically not the most aggressive gam in the world.

1053
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: That was about as aggressive of movies you're ever gonna make.

1054
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: But I was surprised in that regard. That being said, look,

1055
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: Gardner is a force, He's a he's a game changing

1056
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: player on the defensive end. I personally would probably tag

1057
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: Jones if they can, if they can do it cap

1058
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: wise this upcoming year, because I just would want to

1059
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 4: see him do it again. My biggest year with Jones

1060
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 4: is you just have one of these years and he's

1061
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: just great, and then you give him a massive jump

1062
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 4: whatever four year, two hundred million dollar contract.

1063
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins yourself, right, yeah, and.

1064
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 4: You're sitting there like in week nine next year, going oh, actually, yes,

1065
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: it turns out if the team blitzes like Asulver, that's

1066
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 4: the problem. You know, you don't want to be in

1067
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: that spot you're sitting there. I mean, heck, do you

1068
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 4: know who the last big contract was like that. It

1069
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: was a disaster. Daniel Jones in New York.

1070
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Right, you're right when they gave.

1071
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 4: Him four and one sixty and they were like, this

1072
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: is fantastic. And by like week four of the following

1073
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: you know, oh my god, what did we do? Like

1074
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 4: I would, I would tag him and play it out.

1075
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Speaker 1: And and I don't know Seattle's situation with Darnold, how

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Speaker 1: many years they gave him, but it feels like, in fact,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of the same guy right in the NFC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. I mean I said earlier, I felt

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Speaker 4: they're like the the the version of the Colts in

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Speaker 4: the NFC. And you know that game last week. Look

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Speaker 4: they lose to the Rams. Okay, fine, it's not the

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Speaker 4: end of the world. They play them again later in

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Speaker 4: the year at holl they can split the series. But

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Speaker 4: did you watch that game. I was sitting there watching

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Speaker 4: Donald's just throwing pick after pick after pick after you, like, man, buddy,

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Speaker 4: at some point here like that's kind of the knock

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Speaker 4: on you. It was in these big spots you're kind

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Speaker 4: of a disaster, like and that's you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to hear that. Like the Rams showed him a pressure.

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Speaker 4: They just beat you in the playoffs. You when you

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Speaker 4: were with the Vikings, you want to know exactly what

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Speaker 4: pressure the books they're giving you. You ought to know

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Speaker 4: the I mean that you should have been studying that

1094
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Speaker 4: tape for six months, especially going to Seattle. And you

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Speaker 4: come into that game and you watch him just even

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Speaker 4: earlier in the year they played against Tampa to his friend,

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Speaker 4: he was very very good in that game. And the

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Speaker 4: end of the games thirty five thirty five, and they're

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Speaker 4: own end of like a minute to go, and he

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Speaker 4: just throws the ball right at Leavonte game and they lose,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, that's look, both Jones and Arnold. They

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Speaker 4: may end up going to the playoffs this year. Obviously

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Speaker 4: they're gonna be there and be awesome. They also might

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Speaker 4: go in there and go one and done. And then

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Speaker 4: you got a whole lot of questions like if I'm

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Speaker 4: the Colts, I am thrilled to the way he's played

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Speaker 4: this year, but I would probably try to tag him

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Speaker 4: and play this thing out another year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Sauce Gardner. Your thoughts on that acquisition for

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis and whether or not they can get return on

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Speaker 1: investment because the investment was.

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Speaker 4: Large, Well, it's a lot. I'm not gonna lie. It

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Speaker 4: was a lot. It was. I was surprised the Colts

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Speaker 4: did it. I probably wouldn't have done that just because

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Speaker 4: two first round picks. For me, Like, if I'm giving

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Speaker 4: up two first round picks, I'm been like Miles Gary, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm getting a guy who's just instantly like every game.

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Speaker 4: He's just an absolute I mean MICHAELH. Parsons was two

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Speaker 4: first round picks. That being said, Gardner is an excellent

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Speaker 4: corner and in Adam Rumo's system, you need to have

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Speaker 4: guys on that back end who can play. Because a

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Speaker 4: lot of times with Lou if you get if he

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Speaker 4: plays wha he wants to play, Yeah, there's gonna be

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Speaker 4: he's gonna vary it up and he's he's a guy

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Speaker 4: who's in multiple on his defense. But you want to

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Speaker 4: play some coverage, guys are gonna have to hold up

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Speaker 4: a little bit, do some different things, and Gardner can

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Speaker 4: do that. Obviously, he's a tremendous player. So I like

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Speaker 4: the contract he's on for the Colts. I like determine

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Speaker 4: and the and the money. I think he is an absolute,

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Speaker 4: he's an elite corner. But yeah, it's a lot like

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Speaker 4: that trade. If they go to a Super Bowl that

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Speaker 4: trade today, Fine, you'll give up those picks any day

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Speaker 4: of the a the week. I honestly think in a

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Speaker 4: weird way. I'll tell you how much I like that

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Speaker 4: trade when I see how Daniel Jones plays out, because

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Speaker 4: to me, that trade is more about Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 4: it wants about Sauce Gartner.

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Speaker 1: What do you got upcoming at sside dot com, Matt?

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Speaker 4: A whole lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I got my preview file on Friday looking at the

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Speaker 4: five best games. Obviously Chiefs Colts will be in there.

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Speaker 4: My Good, Bad and Ugly Colin that comes out on

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Speaker 4: Sunday throughout the day, just breaking down everything we're seeing

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Speaker 4: and kind of you know what it means going forward.

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Speaker 4: So those will be the two main things, and then

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Speaker 4: my quarterly All Protein comes out next week.

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Speaker 1: Cool, all right, Well, and certainly I can think of

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Speaker 1: at least one cult on that list, and perhaps there

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Speaker 1: will be others we shall see, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there will definitely. There will definitely be at least

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Speaker 4: one cult that is a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: Matt, we appreciate the time as always, Man love having

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Speaker 1: you all. I appreciate it. We'll look forward at side

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Speaker 1: dot com anytime Matt Verdram joining us, Java House, Peel

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Speaker 1: and poor guest Line