1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Why from ball Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today atute. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: About one product two thirty two is article by article, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: it's one product. This is a billion products or even 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: more that the government is seeking. Gonquin was expressly a 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: trade statute. It was the nineteen sixty two Trade Act. 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: It's everything. This case isn't. Algonquin had a specific reference 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: to the word duties in a separate provision. Algonquin had 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: a legislative history that was clear as day that the 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: president was the president was given this power. And I 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: understand this court today doesn't look to the legislative history. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: But the way Algonquin got to where it was was 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: by saying the legislative history the chief sponsor of the act. 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: I think I'll disagree with you on that. 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: It does a plain text, and then says, is there 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: anything in the legislative history to defeat the plane text? 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: So I disagree pretty strongly you on that, but it 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: doesn't defeat your point. Keep going, okay, so nice. 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 4: So that's Justice Kavanaugh giving a polenta a polite smack 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: to Neil Katchall making the argument for the Supreme Court 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: that the president doesn't have the right to utilize the 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 4: Emergency Powers Act in nineteen seventy seven to implement tariffs. 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, from. 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: A first kind of hearing of this thing, it's not 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 4: playing great for Trump. 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: It just isn't. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: be with you. Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: It really is. 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: A a amazing, amazing back and forth about what the 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: plane reading of the text of the Emergency Powers Act 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: of nineteen seventy seven is and whether or not a 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: tariff can be implemented and real resting on the idea 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: of whether or not it can raise revenue. Because the 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: Powers Act discusses the idea of whether or not the 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: President of the United States can investigate, regulate, or prohibit imports. 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,279 Speaker 4: It doesn't say tarror for tax and someone can say, well, regulate, 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: regulate could mean this. The argument is that anything that 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: is taxing would be Congress and raising revenue is precisely 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: not the capacity. It's a fascin I mean, never mind 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: where you are on taris. It's just a fascinating argument. 41 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: And no president has ever charged, to my knowledge, fees 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: under thus two statutes for the licenses, so fees impermissible 43 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: licenses open. 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 5: He's permissible if they cover the costs. 45 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Of the scheme, might be, might be, I mean, but 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: but once they start revenue raising, you implicate the most 47 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: serious concerns. 48 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 5: And I thought you could seated a justice courships there 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 5: was no difference between a tariff and a licensing fee functionally. 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: If the licensing fee is just to rea, I didn't 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: concede that done so. 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: If the licensing. 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: Fee is just to recoup the costs of government services, 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: I think. 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: That may be okay. I don't think you need to 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: get into it here. 57 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: The government is asserting a power which they say in 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: their briefs to you raises four trillion dollars. 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 5: So you understand the statute to permit licensing in the 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 5: sense of permission, like we will not allow you to 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 5: trade with us, we will not allow your goods to 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 5: be imported unless we license it. 63 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely and justice parrit I think like just the natural 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: reading if you're to look at the word licenses and think, wow, 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: Congress smuggled this incredible power to do all of these 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: different things that the government is doing here. Thirty nine 67 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: percent taxes on some countries and others through the word 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: license got for. 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: You license exportation. I don't think so, for the reason 70 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: that you know right now. 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 5: I actually looked into this. I mean, I think you 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: maybe not licensing fees. 73 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 6: Exactly what could. 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 5: You license exportation like saying we're not going to allow 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 5: certain products that have national security implications to be exported. 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 5: So licensing could be used in that sense, not as 77 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: a revenue aging REGI okay, so you went back and 78 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 5: forth with Justice Corsic. 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to let that conversation continue to play out. 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: It's it's fascinating stuff. Did I say, hello, Tony Katz? 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: Tony Katz Today? It is a huge story, and in 82 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: any other day it would be just absolutely massive. But 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 4: the story, of course is the election. The story, of 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 4: course is the election. You've got the in Virginia, the 85 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: Democrats win not only the governor's mansion but the attorney 86 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: general race. We'll talk about it. In New Jersey they 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 4: win the governor's mansion. In California they voted on Prop 88 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: fifty they will engage redistricting. Pennsylvania they kept all the 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 4: Democrats state Supreme Court justices in place. 90 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: And then you have let's dig into it. Zoron Mamdani 91 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: who is now. 92 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 4: The mayor elect of New York, and he is going 93 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 4: to raise those taxes like it's his job to that because. 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 7: You're start talking about a rent freeze, you're talking about 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 7: free busses, you're talking about free childcare. 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 6: Can you do that without raising taxes? 97 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: I think you can do that, and I think you 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: have to raise taxes on the top one percent of 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: New Yorkers. New Yorkers you make more than a million 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: dollars a year, and you do that by raising taxes 101 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: by them two percent. And then you also increase the 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: corporate tax of New York State to match that of 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: New Jersey. So that takes us from about seven point 104 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: twenty five to about eleven point five percent, which is 105 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: what we see in New Jersey. 106 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 4: So you're gonna raise taxes by one percent unless you 107 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: make more than a million dollars to raise taxes on 108 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: two percent. Then you're going to increase the corporate tax, 109 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 4: which of course gets passed down to the consumer who 110 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: somehow this will all magically make things more affordable. 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: For these things together is about nine billion dollars, which 112 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: more than pays for our economic agenda and also starts 113 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: a Trump proof our. 114 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: So are you worried that I can drive a lot of 115 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: job creators out of New York? 116 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 3: So what I've heard from a number of business leaders 117 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: is that the affordability crisis is also affecting their ability 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: to attract and retain talent. The city's inability to provide 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: childcare means that businesses often have to provide stipends. 120 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: For that childcare. 121 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: Right now, the absence of universal childcare means that a 122 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 3: family will pay around twenty two five hundred dollars a year, 123 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: which is more money than many of them would spend 124 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: if they sent that same kid to college eighteen years later. 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: And it is time for city government to actually step 126 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: up to the responsibility. 127 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: It has not just city government. 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: Zarn Mamdani has a very different view. 129 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: Of government than you and I. 130 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, mom Don's view of government 131 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 4: can be summed up in this post here. 132 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Discussing the role of government, we will. 133 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 3: Prove that there is no problem too large for government 134 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: to solve, and no concern too small for it to 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: care about it. 136 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: Oh damn, that's scary. 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: No problem too large that it can't solve, and no 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: problem too small that it shouldn't care about. 139 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 8: Man. 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: Government's going to be all up in your stuff with Zarron, Mom, Donnie. 141 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: Yesterday was a loss for people on the political right. 142 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: And the answer is yeah, okay, yeah, off your election. 143 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: Republicans have the power. Things usually swing the other way. 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: It's about right. 145 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: But there's also some more stories involved here, starting with 146 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: the clear understanding that Trump hate works. It's ugly, it's obscene. 147 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: It is a call for a lone wolf. They desperately 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: want them to die. I say that right now without 149 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: an ounce of hesitation, and I apologize to no one 150 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: for noting what it is they're saying, their calls for 151 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: a lone wolf. Every time they say threat to democracy, 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: threat to America, acting like a king, engage in authoritarianism, 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: all of this. He's so much a king that the 154 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: Supreme Court is arguing whether or not he can actually. 155 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: Implement the tariffs. 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: Some king, you got to rely on courts in order 157 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 4: to be able to get your way. It's a massive 158 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: hate now, by the way, it is Trump hate, but 159 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: of course it can also be seen as Republican hate 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: anybody who should disagree with. 161 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Them, and no matter who runs your president. 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty eight, if it was your grandma, they 163 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: would say, worse than Hitler. 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: This is who. 165 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: They are and what they believe to their core is 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: that government is the end all and be all, not 167 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: the Lord, not your soul, not the individual rights of man. 168 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: We already heard Senator. 169 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: Tim Cain state with clarity that rights do not come. 170 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: From the from nature and Nature's God. 171 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: Rights come, according to Tim Kin, solely and exclusively from government, 172 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: a frightening, ugly gross proposition. They believe that government solves 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: all things, and they got people to vote for that. 174 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: More than vote for that, they got somebody. They were 175 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: able to get people to vote for someone who is 176 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: a communist, who sees himself in league with Islamists, who 177 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: believes in defunding the police, who believes in Boycott's investment 178 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: and sanction in Virginia, they voted for j. Jones to 179 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: be the Attorney General elect. J Jones is the guy 180 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 4: who said in text messages that he wanted to kill 181 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: the Republican Speaker of the House in Virginia and. 182 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Kill his kids. 183 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: Fantasized about killing the man's kids, and only four forty 184 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 4: six percent of those polls thought. 185 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: That that was a problem. The election may not have 186 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: gone the way you wanted it to, but the odds 187 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: were against it going the way you wanted it to. 188 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: But the election tells a story. 189 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 4: The election has something to share, certainly tells a story 190 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: as we're getting a look at the exit polling, that 191 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: women buy into this progressivism in huge, huge, massive measure. 192 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: They do. 193 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: The election tells you that trump Hat twenty four seven, 194 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: three sixty five works. It has an effect, It has 195 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 4: seeped in because you have a party that absolutely positively 196 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 4: believes that not only should government solve all problems large 197 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: and small, meaning that the people should be completely dependent 198 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 4: on government. They believe that anybody who gets in their 199 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: way should be destroyed, whether they are the attempt on 200 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, whether the assassination of Charlie Kirk, or whether 201 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: the fantasizing about killing children, a message Republicans. 202 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: Are going to have to take into the midterms. 203 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, they should have already started. 204 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: It's only three hundred and sixty three days away, you know, 205 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: and for all of us, this election is a recognition 206 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 4: of what it is that you are up against, what 207 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: it is that is actually happening in the country. And 208 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: it is proof and I don't I don't like starting 209 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: off negative. I am not a negative cat. I'm not, 210 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: I never have been. I'm honest, I'm clear, I'm direct, 211 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: but not negative. We have been saying here, very honestly, 212 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: that there is no way, with a snap of the 213 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: fingers for the chasm to be crossed. 214 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: The divide in America is real. 215 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: And we're not even talking about policy regarding trade or tariffs. 216 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: We're not. 217 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: The argument against tariffs is Trump wants it tariffs bad. 218 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 4: If Trump said I favor clean water, Democrats will go 219 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: clean water. 220 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: Who needs that? 221 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: It's that level of hate of vitriol, and the only 222 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: way out is through I put forth to you that 223 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: the key to this election and understanding this election, number 224 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: one is you have a lot of work to do 225 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: to win the midterms. You're gonna have to go out 226 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: there and campaign. You're gonna have to go out there 227 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: and convince. You're gonna have to go out there and persuade. 228 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: You're gonna have to find the candidates you want to 229 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 4: support and actually support them. Yes, you are going to 230 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: have to do this. To sit on the sidelines, No 231 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: one's sitting on the sidelines, seemingly on the left. Now, 232 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: the idea that, oh, they're really generating enthusiasm. Let's not 233 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: lose sight of a much larger picture, which is that 234 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: their policies are rather unpopular nation why and midterm elections 235 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: and general elections are different than off of your elections. 236 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: But I want it clear. We set it here. The 237 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 4: only way out is through. These are hard times, and 238 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 4: hard times must create strong women and men. 239 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: These are the hard times. 240 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: They're not coming, they're here and they're not going away 241 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: anytime soon. And the only way out is through, because 242 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: what you are up against is beyond vitriol of people 243 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: who don't see America the way you do, because they 244 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: don't even see a good in America. They don't see 245 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: America at all. Those are the facts from this election. 246 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: Don't let it get you down, let it get you working. 247 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz today. So 248 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: as we look at the shutdown, day thirty six, it's over, Tony. 249 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: Did they come to a deal. Oh no, no, no, no, no, 250 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: they didn't come to a deal. It's just you saw 251 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: the letter from Chuck Schumann, Kim Jeffreys. We demand a 252 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: meeting to put an end to the shutdown, and the 253 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: Republican healthcare crisis. First off, if you'd sent me that 254 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: email a letter, I would have dismissed it. You can't 255 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: you can't talk to me like that and get me 256 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: to respond. Nope, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, why is 257 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: it over? 258 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: This is something else to take from the election. 259 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: The Democratic Party will do anything power matters, and everything 260 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 4: else's nonsense, including your life. They wanted to keep their 261 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: base agitated so they would show up to vote in 262 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: these off your. 263 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Elections we just saw yesterday. 264 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: Now that those elections are over, okay, no, no, no, health 265 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: care doesn't matter. And so the story goes three funding 266 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 4: bills to get things back open, get some things funded 267 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: for a full year, and Republicans would agree to hold 268 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 4: a future vote on extending ACA subsidies. That's Affordable Care Act, 269 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: that is Obamacare. So they could have done this at 270 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: any time. They could have done this at any time. 271 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 4: They didn't, And they still want you to believe that 272 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: Republicans shut down the government. You have twelve Democrats that 273 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: are going to cross over. This was the power grab. 274 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 4: Power grab, a very very very important term. 275 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Power grab. 276 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: Is the terminology that they said you can't go read 277 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 4: districting Republicans. It's just a power grab. But they decide 278 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: to do it in California, full power grab. They're doing 279 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: it in Maryland, power grab. In Virginia. 280 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: They seem to be violating state law to do it. 281 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Power grab. 282 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: They're not even shy about it. They're in no ways 283 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: shy about it. And so I favor redistricting more than ever. 284 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 4: I'll get into it. But they kept things shut down 285 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: and inflicted pain so they could get power. Can you 286 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 4: imagine what happens if you give these people federal power again? 287 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: Because just like the Trump hate playbook, this is it. No, 288 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: this is not the Democratic Party of old as I 289 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 4: said last week, that's over. These are leftist progressives. Representative 290 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: of Colci Cortes was there was arn Mondani last night 291 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: and discussed the problem with the old guard Democrats. 292 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: It's over. We're in a whole new. 293 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: Phase dealing with people who are proudly Marxists, engaged communists 294 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: who somehow think that they could still use the terminology 295 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: democratic socialists and get. 296 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: Us to believe it's something different. 297 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: Sure, whatever you say shutdown will be done in the 298 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 4: next forty eight hours. That's my take. That's where I 299 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 4: think we're going. But as for the filibuster, well, I 300 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 4: disagree with the president on this one. 301 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. 302 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 7: So as you know, we are in the midst of 303 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 7: a disastrous Democrat created government shutdown, and it is Democrat created. 304 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 6: But I don't think they're getting really the blame that 305 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 6: they should. 306 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 7: Since now officially the longest shutdown in American history, the 307 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 7: Democrat radicals and the Senatives shown zero interest in reopening 308 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 7: the government, and I don't think they'll actually seen a 309 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 7: lot of people disagree. I've been saying for the last 310 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 7: thirty days, we've had four or five different points. Yes, sir, 311 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 7: they're going to get it right now. We should have 312 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 7: it done in a day. I've heard that about four times. 313 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 7: I heard it after Kings. You know, they said I 314 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 7: was a king, and I heard it after Kings. I 315 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 7: heard it after a couple of other moments in time, 316 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 7: and I said, no, I don't believe so. 317 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 6: And now I heard it after the election. I don't 318 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 6: believe so. 319 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 7: I think they will. I think they're Kama Kazi pilots. 320 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 7: I just got back from Japan. I talked about the 321 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 7: Kama Kazi pilots. 322 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: Well, it must have gone over Creton, Japan. 323 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: Good lord, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, what are you doing? 324 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: Eight three three four six eight eight six six nine 325 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: eight three three got Tony, That's how you get to 326 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 4: be a part of the program. 327 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: President Trump. 328 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: Saying they're not going to shut it all down, So 329 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 4: there's only one thing to do. 330 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 7: It's time for Republicans to do what they have to do, 331 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 7: and that's terminate the filibuster. 332 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 6: It's the only way you can do it. And if 333 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 6: you don't. 334 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 7: Terminate the filibuster, you'll be in bad shape. We won't 335 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 7: pass any legislation. There'll be no legislation passed for three 336 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 7: in a quarter. We have three and a quarter years, 337 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 7: so it's a long time. But when they can't do 338 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 7: an extension, and John, I think they've done an extension 339 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 7: every single time they've ever been asked forever, this is 340 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 7: the first time they haven't done an extension. 341 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 6: Extensions is supposed to be easy. 342 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 7: But if they won't do an extension, they won't do 343 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 7: any bill, even a simple bill. Then we should do 344 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 7: our own bills. We should get out, we should do 345 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 7: our own bills. We should open up. We should start 346 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 7: tonight with the country's open congratulations. Then we should pass 347 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 7: a voter ID. We should pass no mail in voting. 348 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 7: We should pass all the things that we wanted to pass, 349 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 7: make our elections secure, and say it because California is 350 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 7: a disaster. 351 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 6: Many of the states are disasters. 352 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 7: But can you imagine when they vote almost unanimously against 353 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 7: voter ID. All we want is voter ID. You go 354 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 7: to a grocery store, you have to give ID. You 355 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 7: go to a gas station, you give ID. But for voting, 356 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 7: they want no voter ID. 357 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: People pose to voter ID favor fraud. That is an 358 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: easy to understand concept. People who pose voter ID one 359 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: thousand percent favor fraud. 360 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: The President also said. 361 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 7: If I thought that they weren't going to pass the 362 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 7: Fellow Bus, I wouldn't even bring it up. They're going 363 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 7: to pass it within the first hour if they take power, 364 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 7: and it's more likely that they take power if we 365 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 7: don't do because we're not going to be passing any legislation, 366 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 7: not going to approve anything. 367 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 6: We're going to go three and a quarter years. 368 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 7: There won't be one bill that we're going to pass 369 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 7: because the easiest thing to pass is exactly right now. 370 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 7: What they won't pass, and they'll do that and they'll recavic. 371 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 6: But let's assume they get in. They're doing it anyway, 372 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 6: so it wouldn't matter. They're doing it anyway. 373 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 7: And you know, I have a case where I have 374 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 7: great US attorneys that can't be approved because of the 375 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 7: blue slips, the blue slips. 376 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 6: I think you should terminate blue slips too. 377 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 4: A blue slip is basically a hold, right, It's a 378 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: hold on a potential nominee. And both parties have the 379 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: ability to do this and utilize this. President Trump continued, 380 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: the biggest thing is the filibuster. 381 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 6: We have to get the country going. 382 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 7: We will pass legislation at levels you've never seen before, 383 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 7: and it'll be impossible to beat us, by the way, 384 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 7: if they do, they're going to do it anyway, and 385 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 7: they are going to immediately do the filibuster. And when 386 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 7: they do the filibuster, they're going to pack the court. 387 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 7: They want five at least five just now I hear 388 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 7: it's up to five. I actually heard up to seven 389 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 7: and up to nine. 390 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 6: Okay. 391 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 7: They want new judges. They want to pack the court, 392 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 7: and they will do it the first day. Maybe the 393 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 7: maybe they'll slow it down because there's no reason to rush. 394 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 6: But they'll do it first week. They'll vote on this. 395 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 7: And I have friends over there that are Democrats, very 396 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 7: close to a lot of people, and I asked them 397 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 7: about that because some people say, well, maybe they won't 398 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 7: do that. 399 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 6: I mean, they destroyed the career of. 400 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 7: Mansion and Cinema and they got them out. They were 401 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 7: the only objectors. Nobody else is going to object. They're 402 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 7: going to do it the first day. They're going to 403 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 7: pack the court. They're going to make DC a state, 404 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 7: and they're going to make Puerto Rico estate. So now 405 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 7: they pick up two states, they pick up four senators. 406 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 6: Okay, you think you have problems. 407 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 7: They're going to do all of the things. They're going 408 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 7: to pick up electoral votes. It's going to be a 409 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 7: very very bad situation. 410 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: And it's true. 411 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: There's no question as we discuss this election and go 412 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: through it, that they're going. 413 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: To do exactly that, all of that. 414 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: So President Trump's argument is why in in the world, 415 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: why in the world would we sit on the sidelines 416 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 4: and let them do that. Why don't we get rid 417 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: of the filibuster. 418 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: Right now and make the change. 419 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 4: It is all very tempting, But John Thune is rejecting 420 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 4: that nuclear option because Republicans do not have the votes, 421 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 4: as is reported via Newsmax, to end the filibuster. Then 422 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: you have Senator John Kennedy, who you know. I love 423 00:25:53,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: the homespun of Senator John Kennedy, and he is engaging 424 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: some clarity. 425 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 9: He called me. I explained to him. I said, mister President, 426 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 9: the job of a senator is not just to advance 427 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 9: good ideas. The job of a senator is also to 428 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 9: kill bad ideas. 429 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: And how do you take care of response like you 430 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: would expect? He well, he didn't. 431 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 9: He wasn't unhappy. I mean, the President didn't yell or anything. 432 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 9: Of course, there's all. He's never yelled at me. It's 433 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 9: always the first time, you know. But but he doesn't 434 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 9: agree with me, and sometimes or reasonable people disagree. But 435 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 9: my personal opinion, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. 436 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 9: We're not going to change the filibuster or the blue 437 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 9: slip while we're in charge during year or my natural. 438 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: Lifetime, So that ultimately means has to be some sort of. 439 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 4: That's as I think clear as it is, doing away 440 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 4: with the filibuster means actually changing how that organization the 441 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 4: Senate runs, and it means absolutely a negative effect. This 442 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 4: is the concern that if Republicans ended, you're now giving 443 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 4: carte blanche to the Democrats to do away with it 444 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 4: and do all these things. I would say that I 445 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: could at least have a conversation about doing away with 446 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: the filibuster if the things President Trump was talking about 447 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: Republicans would actually do. And you say to me, Tony, 448 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 4: you want to pack the court. No, I want to 449 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 4: be left alone. I don't want any of this nonsense. 450 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: I don't want any this garbage, not an ounce, not 451 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: an ounce. 452 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: But this is who they are. 453 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: Didn't the election already teach me what they're all about. 454 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 4: They will shut down a government and not pay air 455 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 4: traffic controllers and let your kids starve to win an 456 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 4: attorney general race. In Virginia, we have Republicans who don't 457 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: want to read district because that's. 458 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: Not very nice. They not like us. 459 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 4: And Republicans said they wanted to do things differently. Republicans 460 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 4: said they want to be tougher, and then they voted 461 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: for Donald Trump and they ain't willing to do any 462 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: of the tougher things. 463 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: I want to be left alone, That's what I want. 464 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 4: But if we remember correct, just yesterday it was Eric 465 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: Holder now the point who made the point that, hey, 466 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: if we get the power, well jeeper's golly g we're. 467 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 8: Going to have to make some moves to the fabric, 468 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 8: the legal fabric of this nation. I think, you know, 469 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 8: the reality is it pains me to say this. I 470 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 8: think the Supreme Court is a broken institution and it's 471 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 8: something that has to be I think a part of 472 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 8: the national conversation in twenty six and in twenty eight 473 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 8: what are we going to do about the Supreme Court? 474 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 8: And I think that we have to think about again 475 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 8: talking about the acquisition and the use of power if 476 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 8: there is a democratic trifecta in twenty twenty eight, and 477 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 8: I think the possibility of that is is pretty good. 478 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 8: Supreme Court reform is something that has to be considered. 479 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 8: Term limits, I think at a minimum, potentially expanding the 480 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 8: court is something I think that also should be should 481 00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 8: be considered. 482 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: They have no fear in utilizing power and they have 483 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: no type of hesitation in attacking the institutions. Why is 484 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: the court not working because it isn't agreeing with you. 485 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: Remember everything about the Supreme Court was fine until they 486 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: ruled that the two thousand election was over and George 487 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: Bush's President of the United States. Then, oh my gosh, 488 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 4: the Supreme Court's broken and it's been this ever since. 489 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: It's been been the whole conversation. They're willing to do 490 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 4: it all. They understand power, Republicans don't. Republicans don't understand power. 491 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: Republicans are often afraid of power. So how do I 492 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: say give up the filibuster when I can't guarantee that 493 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: things that I might agree with be done? And you 494 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 4: say to me, Tony, why are you willing to agree 495 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 4: with them? Why am I willing to agree to pack 496 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 4: the court because the Democrats have already said they're going 497 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 4: to pack the court? Who do you think we should 498 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: pack it with. I don't want any of this. I 499 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: would love a level of detente. But who am I 500 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: negotiating with. I'm negotiating with a political party that said, 501 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 4: we don't care if air traffic controllers get paid, if 502 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: the military gets paid, or your kids go hungry, as 503 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 4: long as we can get elected to the attorney general 504 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 4: spot in Virginia, a guy who threatened to kill somebody 505 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: else's kids, who fantasized about it, as long as we 506 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: can elect a comedie in New York, We're cool. 507 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: Power. 508 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 4: How do you combat that? How do you fight that 509 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: you worked against this? Well, the natural answer is you 510 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 4: don't let them win. So when I say we've got 511 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 4: a lot of work ahead of us, what do you 512 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 4: think I'm talking about? If you don't want to do 513 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 4: that work, well, then you got to favor of the 514 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: other work that. 515 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is talking about. 516 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: I don't think Republicans can stick their head in the 517 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 4: sands on redistricting or any of these other things. We're here, 518 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: and if you think Trump has led us to here, 519 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: with all due respect, you ain't paying attention to the game, kitten, 520 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: not in the slightest. I'm Tony Katz and this is 521 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 4: Tony Katz Today. 522 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 10: Take away from me that I don't think enough people 523 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 10: are talking about is what happened in California with Prop fifty. 524 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah we've come to that, yeah coming. Yeah. 525 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 10: That for me was a huge, huge takeaway because that 526 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 10: is the roadmap for how Democrats become the opposition party. 527 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: You meet energy with energy. When they go low, you 528 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: go low. 529 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 10: I am sorry, but that is where we are now. 530 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 10: We need that opposition and I think we saw that last. 531 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: That's sunny host and over at the view. When they 532 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: go low, you go lower. 533 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 4: Proposition fifty is the vote in California that will allow 534 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 4: for redistricting. They will remove five Republican seats because of 535 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 4: what Texas did. That's called retribution. She's fine with retribution. 536 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 4: Every single Republican state needs to look at redistricting. Oh, 537 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 4: you may not have wanted to, but we're here. Tony Katz, 538 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 4: Tony Katz Today, and so that becomes an argument, Well, 539 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 4: what am I supposed to do? Well, if you do nothing, 540 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 4: If you do nothing, they're going to do it anyway. 541 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: They're going to do it anyway. 542 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: Haven't we seen this? 543 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you bring everybody cookies. If you 544 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: brought every Democrat in the House of Representative cookies. 545 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: The next day, Hakim Jeffries would. 546 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 4: Say that these people are trying to poison us with sugar. 547 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: Just facts. 548 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 4: You're not dealing with a rational actor, and redisserting is 549 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 4: a political process, completely legal. Tony Katz Tony Kats Today 550 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 4: producer land and said, Hey, just as own reminder, what 551 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 4: is the filibuster? What are we talking about here? We 552 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: talk about removing the filibuster? What we're talking about is 553 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 4: getting rid of the sixty vote threshold on approving debate 554 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 4: of legislation and then approving the end of debate of legislation. 555 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 4: Getting rid of that threshold so legislation can be passed 556 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 4: with a simple majority. 557 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: It is not particularly the end of the world. 558 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 4: For example, you may have heard the term reconciliation when 559 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 4: there's a reconciliation bill, which is usually having to don 560 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 4: percent of time to do with the levels of funding. 561 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: You can do reconciliation that only requires a simple majority. 562 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: But once you remove that, you limit the ability of 563 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: the minority party to be able to slow down legislation 564 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 4: or make their voice heard it. 565 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: So there's the sword and there's the edges. Once you 566 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: get rid of it, you're opening up a lot. But 567 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: they have told you who they are. Now what's your plan. 568 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: This is Tony Kats today.