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Speaker 3: Did you have like beech Grove little leagueyah beach with

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Speaker 1: I think they painted themselves into a quarner here. Part

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Speaker 1: of that is the injury, I get it, but it

438
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Speaker 1: just seems to me because of that trade, and I

439
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: keep going back to not having a first round pick

440
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Speaker 1: for the next two years and having so much uncertainty

441
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Speaker 1: at the most important position in sport. What I'm getting

442
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: at here is I feel like we are sitting here

443
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: in this cloud of uncertainty, and we are holding and

444
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: grasping onto this thought that they're like, this is it.

445
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: The seven and one start is going to pay itself off,

446
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Speaker 1: and they are legitimate contenders in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: They're not.

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Speaker 3: Where are we?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be negative, Nancy. I want to

450
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Speaker 1: be I don't want to be pessimistic, Pete. I want

451
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: to be mellow about it. But the more I think

452
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: about it, the more it seems like and feels like

453
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: there are so many questions of uncertainty about this particular team,

454
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: this particular roster, and the timelines thereof because of a

455
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: confluence and a mixed bag of times where they went aggressive,

456
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Speaker 1: then they backed off the pedal and went conservative, and

457
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Speaker 1: instead of just going with one theory and one philosophy

458
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Speaker 1: with it, you have this intermix and this inconsistency of

459
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Speaker 1: approach that has put us in this position of wondering

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Speaker 1: where in the heck it goes from here? And maybe

461
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Speaker 1: I'm just not smart enough to grasp at all. I

462
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Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm curious if people think I'm way

463
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Speaker 1: off base. Now, Kurt, having said that, you tell me,

464
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Speaker 1: am I spilling too much doom and gloom here on

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Speaker 1: a bright sunny day where the temperature is starting to

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Speaker 1: tick up a little bit, Or is there's some reality

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Speaker 1: to the reality check of I have no idea what

468
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Speaker 1: sort of flashlight I'm going to use in this hallway

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00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: that seems to be dimming.

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Speaker 4: I think you're being a realist and there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 4: with that.

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Speaker 1: That's the hard part is the reality of it, all right,

473
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Speaker 1: That is the hard part.

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Steven.

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Speaker 1: Holder're going to join us one o'clock today, Big show

476
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: line up, Scott Agnes at two o'clock. I think Kyle

477
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: Nettrip might join us as well at one thirty because

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00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: a sad but important note in high school athletics that

479
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Speaker 1: took place. And it is that time of year where

480
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Speaker 1: some holiday tournaments are going on as well. But when

481
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Speaker 1: we come back, the one thing yesterday that was brought

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Speaker 1: up that I thought to myself another interesting point that

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Speaker 1: I want to get further into, and it relates to

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Speaker 1: the colts, and I'll get to it next.

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Speaker 3: The studio is pretty nice, is it not, Kurt?

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Speaker 1: Each day in this new studio, the Hubler Automotive Group

487
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Drive Hubler dot Com Studios, we've got a little bit

488
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Speaker 1: more decor, if you will.

489
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Speaker 3: Now we've got the screen behind meet.

490
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Java House signage because of the Java House guest line

491
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Speaker 1: in which our guests appear. Stephen Holder will be on

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Speaker 1: that coming up one o'clock today. We now have across

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Speaker 1: the way here. You've got a screen that is that

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Speaker 1: allows me to see what you've got going on. But

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Speaker 1: it is so finite to be honest with you that

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Speaker 1: I know that I'm older now, but I need binoculars

497
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Speaker 1: to see how the stuff.

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Speaker 3: You got going on.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot going on there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It looks like you're conducting surgery over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're learning, and now you're learning what we've been

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Speaker 4: learning in here.

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Speaker 1: I can see the clock in there though, which is nice. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see a clock before.

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Speaker 4: Which I can make things bigger and no that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Oh well trust me. Now we're getting uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: One other note before we get back into the colts

509
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Speaker 1: coming up, and I'm excited about this night Owls on

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Speaker 1: South Emerson. Are you familiar with not Al's Kurt. I

511
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: believe that's a Beech Groves toablish it. Yeah, like two

512
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: minutes down the road for me, seven thirty until nine thirty.

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Speaker 1: Coming up this Thursday, Pacers and NIXT will be watching it.

514
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: But we will have our Mick Ultra event, which is

515
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: your chance to come out, get yourself a Mick Ultra,

516
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: do a Papa shot, enter into the competition, try to

517
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: win the high score. February sixth It is Miles Turner's

518
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: old team, in fact, the one you root for heading

519
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: up to Milwaukee to take on the Bucks, and we

520
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: are going to send the winner overall the grand prize

521
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: winner of our multi stop Papa Shot Tournament. All you do,

522
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: come out, do a Papa Shot, enjoy Micultra. You don't

523
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Speaker 1: have to do the shot if you don't want, but

524
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Speaker 1: come out to Night Owl's courtesy of Mickultra from seven

525
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Speaker 1: thirty until nine thirty this Thursday. If you indeed get

526
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: the high score in the Papa Shot, you can get

527
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: a Mick Ultra basketball jersey and get entered for the

528
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: grand Pi Prize February sixth So look forward to seeing

529
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Speaker 1: everybody this Thursday night Night Owls at thirty five thirty

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Speaker 1: five South Emerson going to be the right kirt.

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Speaker 4: I would love to be, but I have to do Jamv's.

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Speaker 1: Show seven thirty to nine thirty. Brother he's off air

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Speaker 1: at six.

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Speaker 4: Then I'll be there when I get off.

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Speaker 1: See there you go right, easy enough for the Colts

536
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers and no surprise, there I get it

537
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: with Rivers getting back in but the big question that

538
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: people had is that of Anthony Richardson, and is Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson going to play?

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Speaker 3: Is Anthony Richardson going to be on the.

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Speaker 1: Field and for the rest of the year. I think

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Speaker 1: the answer to that is probably going to be no.

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Speaker 1: But if there's chance to get him out, and in particular,

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Speaker 1: if the Colts have already been eliminated from playoff possibility,

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Speaker 1: which I would have to look at it, because right

546
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: now they are a game behind Houston. Now Houston's remaining schedule.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they close at with you know, at Houston with

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Speaker 1: the Colts. But if there's the chance going into it,

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00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: there is still statistically or mathematically the chance to get

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Speaker 1: into a playoff, which do the Colts do. Let's say

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Speaker 1: Richardson is available. I'm not saying he would be, and

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Speaker 1: I think it would be at this point a very

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Speaker 1: far cry to think that that's a possibility. But the Texans,

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Speaker 1: they got the Raiders coming up this weekend. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: obviously Houston wins that game, one would assume. So there's

556
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Speaker 1: still a game up on Indianapolis, with the first highbreaker

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Speaker 1: being that they had beaten the Colts. Then they've got

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Speaker 1: the Chargers in LA, say they dropped that game. Now

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the Colts are in position. Let's say the Colts find

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Speaker 1: themselves a way to win. And let's say that the

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Speaker 1: Colts find themselves in position where going into Houston and

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Speaker 1: we're going to for this scenario, say that the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: are going to win the South. So now you're talking

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Speaker 1: wild card contention, and if it's between Indianapolis and Houston,

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Speaker 1: but then Baltimore gets up there to decide to play

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Speaker 1: with things. And because the rules change in terms of

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Speaker 1: tiebreaker once you start getting in to more than two teams,

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Speaker 1: if it's a three team tiebreaker, the type breakers change

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Speaker 1: versus just like divisional record, conference record, etc. There's a

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Speaker 1: whole laundry list of things there, right, But if you

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Speaker 1: look at the scenario where the Colts and Texans go in,

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Speaker 1: let's just say for the sake of argument, that that's

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Speaker 1: the possibility and the playoffs are still in play and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is available to play. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the case, but if it is,

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Speaker 1: do you go with Philip Rivers because you feel that

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers gives you the best chance to win, or

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Speaker 1: do you go with Anthony Richardson. And what does it

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Speaker 1: say if Anthony Richardson is healthy and ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Again. We're speaking hypothetically here.

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Speaker 1: If going into the final game of the season, Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson is available to play and you need a win

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Speaker 1: to get into the postseason, and you start forty four

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Speaker 1: year old Philip Rivers, who has no long term future

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Speaker 1: with the team, and you elect to do that over

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 3: What does that say to Anthony Richardson?

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Speaker 1: And while you may be improving your chance in your

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Speaker 1: mind at continuing on the trajectory of which got you

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Speaker 1: there and getting into the postseason, or holding onto that

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Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, what does it say to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the league that piece that theoretically you

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Speaker 1: could contemplate using as a trade piece to get yourself

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Speaker 1: some sort of draft capital back, not a first round

595
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Speaker 1: or but some sort of a pick. What does it

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Speaker 1: say when you're like, hey, would you like the quarterback

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Speaker 1: that we elected to go with a forty four year

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00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: old high school coach over? These are all the things

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Speaker 1: that I know it sounds absurd, but there are I

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Speaker 1: don't envy Chris Ballard. I don't envy Chris Ballard, but

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Speaker 1: more often than not, Chris Ballard seemingly in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of months, when it comes to tactically figuring things out,

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Speaker 1: has gone with a decision or elected to go in

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Speaker 1: a position that is further complicating where they go from

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Speaker 1: here in a number of different areas.

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Speaker 3: It just is.

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Speaker 1: Right now in the wild card standings, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Colts find themselves by record tied with Pittsburgh. Again the

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Speaker 1: tiebreaker there advantage Pittsburgh, but Baltimore's right there behind a

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Speaker 1: game behind him. Things get complicated there and Baltimore finds

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Speaker 1: themselves up there and they now pull alongside. Then you

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Speaker 1: get a multi team tiebreaker situation, and that's where it

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Speaker 1: gets really murky.

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Speaker 3: It just does. Now.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlile was on the morning show this morning with

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Speaker 1: the Fan Morning Show, along with of course Kevin Bowen,

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Speaker 1: James Boyd. Jeff not there this morning, but Mark Dyton

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Speaker 1: was as well. He had something interesting to say in

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Speaker 1: regards to what happened against Washington and now where the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: who again, oddly enough, for as bad as they've been,

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Speaker 1: they have still been interesting. But did that change a

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Speaker 1: little bit? And what did Rick Carlyle say that raised

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Speaker 1: an eyebrow a little bit about what happened last time out.

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Speaker 1: We will get back into that discussion about the pacers next,

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Speaker 1: and Stephen Holder joins us one o'clock on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and a good looking Tuesday for that matter. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of Now I've got the window I

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Speaker 1: could look out because I was always terrified when I

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Speaker 1: would drive into work, because you know how Indianapolis is,

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Speaker 1: especially like in the springtime. I think there were times

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Speaker 1: I would drive in it was this gorgeous day and

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Speaker 1: then I'd get in down the Monument Circle and park

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Speaker 1: in our building and go up and it was, you know,

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: great building, great location, all of that, but our studio

635
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Speaker 1: was landlocked. It was in the interior of the building.

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Speaker 1: I look back on high school and I think about

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Speaker 1: my time in high school, and I don't know how

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00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: if most high schools are this way, but at North

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Central High School, there were a number of hallways that

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00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: were north the high school itself. If you were looked

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00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: down on it like aerially without without a roof on it,

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, there were a lot of interior hallways.

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Speaker 3: It was like a grid.

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Speaker 1: And so I think about the poor teachers that got

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00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: into school and from seven thirty in the morning until

646
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: three in the afternoon were just landlocked in a room

647
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and saw no windows, no outside world. Like, after a while,

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00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: don't you want to see a little bit of what's

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Speaker 1: going on. So we would go on for three hours

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Speaker 1: and I loved it.

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 1: But I would drive into work and it kind of

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Speaker 1: reminded me of high school once I get into the studio,

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Speaker 1: because you didn't know really what it was like outside.

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Speaker 1: So I would say at times, I think Kurt like

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Speaker 1: just out of habit because it'd be fifty five and

657
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Speaker 1: gorgeous and sunny outside. I'd get in and I'd say,

658
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: good looking Wednesday outside. Little did I know that a

659
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Speaker 1: monsoon had arrived, like an hour earlier, like one of

660
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Speaker 1: those pop up storms, and people are driving in their car,

661
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: pulling over because of non visibility, and you got this

662
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Speaker 1: guy on the radio saying, it's like a gorgeous day outside.

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Speaker 3: So I love the fact we got a window.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the old studio. It was a bit depressing sometimes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: in it.

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Speaker 3: Was notably because of the company you kept right when

668
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Speaker 3: you were in there.

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Speaker 4: You had to look at Eddie every morning.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Pacers an action Obviously right now the

671
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: NBA schedule is lowell, especially for today, but back in

672
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Speaker 1: action taking on the New York Knicks.

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Speaker 3: What a difference that a couple of months makes.

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Speaker 1: That game, of course coming up Thursday night at the

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Speaker 1: field House, and they need You heard James Boyd there

676
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: say during the break that the Colts are on a

677
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: little rest and relaxation and it's probably good for forty

678
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Speaker 1: four year old Philip Rivers. The rest and relaxation time

679
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: is also critical right now for the Pacers because of

680
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Speaker 1: the fact that the reality the low point so far

681
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Speaker 1: this season and what has been there have been a

682
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Speaker 1: lot of low points, and again not entirely their fault,

683
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Speaker 1: the injuries have and some of the injuries admittedly, I

684
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Speaker 1: do wonder if if Tyrese Halliburton had not suffered that injury.

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Speaker 1: And first off, I will forever be convinced they were

686
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Speaker 1: going to win that game. I think people in Oklahoma

687
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Speaker 1: City know they were going to win that game. And

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Speaker 1: I've talked to people that were there.

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Speaker 2: I was not.

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Speaker 1: Shannon was there, and she will tell you they were

691
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Speaker 1: in a suite and there were Oklahoma City fans. You know,

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Speaker 1: the suite, an open air suite, obviously right with the

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Speaker 1: seats in front of it, and she tells me, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I mean five fans. I don't mean the entire

695
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Speaker 1: temper of the place, but that they on a couple

696
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Speaker 1: of occasions. The people in front of her turned around

697
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, I almost feel bad celebrating the fact that, like,

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Speaker 1: we're about to win this game, because I don't know

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Speaker 1: that we win if he does not get hurt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I think everyone knew.

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Speaker 1: But either way, the point I'm trying to make is

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Speaker 1: this some of the injuries they have waded through at

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Speaker 1: this point, not I mean aside from Halliburton Obi topping.

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Speaker 1: I mean topping, it's a fracture, I get it. Aaron

705
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Speaker 1: Nee Smith, the McConnell injury at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 1: Furfey's injury. I don't know the severity of them, and

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Speaker 1: certainly it is not my place in any way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form, nor my intention to question the validity of

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Speaker 1: the diagnosis of set injuries. But you do wonder if

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Speaker 1: they are giving themselves and affording themselves even more caution

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Speaker 1: and waiting time of getting guys back this year just

712
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: knowing the realities of where they are. But the roster itself,

713
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: you owe it to the guys that are playing to

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00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: do you know, Pascal Siakam, McConnell now obviously playing, Ben Shephard,

715
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Speaker 1: Jaris Walker, Ben Mathern. You owe it to those guys

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Speaker 1: to do what you can to put yourself in position

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00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: to win games schematically and everything else. But you also

718
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: want effort. And the reality is the Pacers are coming

719
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: off of what was probably their worst effort of the year,

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Speaker 1: certainly their most lackluster performance, and losing at home by

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Speaker 1: nineteen to the lowly Washington Wizards, And it seemed like

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Speaker 1: from the very tip that game just they were chasing

723
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Speaker 1: the eight ball and you could feel this lack of

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Speaker 1: energy from the beginning of the game. Rick Carlisle from

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Speaker 1: the Morning Show, do you agree at.

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Speaker 6: The beginning of the game are our level of everything

727
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 6: has got to be better? We somehow came to the

728
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 6: first quarter with a one point lead. We had we

729
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 6: had a couple of threes that banked in, and we

730
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Speaker 6: just had some some hot things happened that positioned us

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Speaker 6: to be ahead in that game. Was it was fool's

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Speaker 6: gold obviously, because uh, you know, Washington was just playing

733
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: with more or presence or force, you know, all those

734
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 6: all those words you hear me frequently talking about. And yeah,

735
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 6: second and third quarters were very poor and and we

736
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: got behind the eight ball, and uh it was it

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Speaker 6: was too much to come back from. So plenty to work.

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Speaker 1: On, Plenty to work on, indeed, and that includes just

739
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Speaker 1: the extended energy and focus, I think, and you know,

740
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Speaker 1: for a lot of folks, I think the NBA in general,

741
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Speaker 1: fans don't start thinking about the NBA until this time

742
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Speaker 1: of year. Christmas to a lot Christmas Day, and I

743
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: know for a lot of people, when the Pacers were

744
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Speaker 1: making their run, the thought was, or the question was,

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Speaker 1: like does that mean that the Pacers are going to

746
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: end up on Christmas Day games? Because that's you know,

747
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of a tip of the cap from the NBA

748
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Speaker 1: of like you are relevant now. And you know, there

749
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: was disappointment when they did not. We now see kind

750
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Speaker 1: of why because with the Haliburton injury, it has changed

751
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: them so much. But I think that, you know, the

752
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: end season tournament was put in place by the NBA

753
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: to create some sort of reason to watch or discussion

754
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: or follow along of stuff happening prior to Christmas, and

755
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: for fans and for the media, and for season ticket

756
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: holders and sponsors for so long around Christmas is when

757
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: you start focusing. To Hey, the NBA's here as well,

758
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: even though it's been playing for a month. But you

759
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: want your team to be playing at a high level

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Speaker 1: from the beginning. To me, and that's the thing I

761
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: think that Carlisle is preaching there is like, look, we

762
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Speaker 1: got to have this more consistently, night in and night out.

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Speaker 1: Those that have played, more often than not, I think,

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Speaker 1: have played pretty hard for Indiana. They just have not

765
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Speaker 1: had their attrition has led them to a point that

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Speaker 1: it's going to be an uphill battle for them because

767
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Speaker 1: of just sheer numbers and the mileage put on those

768
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Speaker 1: numbers that are healthy. It is something that comes into

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Speaker 1: play that I want to get to coming up in

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Speaker 1: about probably twenty five minutes after Steven Holder in relation

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Speaker 1: to Indiana football, and I'll explain what I mean by that.

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Speaker 1: But Stephenholder at ESPN dot com, Colts Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, Anthony richardson the question mark here in terms

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Speaker 1: of availability. We'll get into it with Stephen.

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Speaker 2: Next.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to query and company on ninety three five

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Speaker 1: and one oh seven five.

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Speaker 2: The fan.

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Speaker 1: Stephenholder is with ESPN dot com. I was enjoying a

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Speaker 1: fabulous pre holiday in the form of my buddy Jeff

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Speaker 1: Hester pre Honika. Uh drink together that Jeff and I

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Speaker 1: who grew up together do we try to get together

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Speaker 1: once at the very at least every two weeks, maybe

784
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Speaker 1: once a week, and just find a cozy spot to

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Speaker 1: catch up, solve the world's problems, keep tabs on one another,

786
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Speaker 1: enjoy a drink. And I'm sitting there and everything's going fabulous,

787
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Speaker 1: and it's just this great environment, great bar, and I

788
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: look up and boom, right there on the television screen

789
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Speaker 1: is no other than Steven Holder. And I thought to myself, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, like two out of three on ambience bad.

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Speaker 1: But Steven, I gotta admit, man, you look very dapper

792
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: when you're on television. And the Colts are always topical,

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Speaker 1: so they're using you a plenty.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Well, so you know the Colts, they tend to make

796
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 5: news in the most unexpected ways. So you gotta be

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Speaker 5: ready for anything around here.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: With that, in terms of the gotta be ready, Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers was ready in Seattle to an extent. I thought,

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00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: actually Steven, I thought schematically they called a pretty good

802
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: game for him, and I thought that they kind of

803
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: did a nice job of playing within themselves. But as

804
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: the game went on, I think Seattle just kind of

805
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: figured out that it was not a Rubik's cube and

806
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't hard to figure out what you needed to

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00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: do against that offense with its limitations. So can they

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Speaker 1: realistically come up with new wrinkles with another week getting

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00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: ready for San Francisco or did we see what we're

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Speaker 1: going to see?

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Speaker 5: So I think that is a great question, and it's

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Speaker 5: it's more difficult to answer. But here's what I can say.

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Speaker 2: They did. I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: They did have I think the perfect game plan. I

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Speaker 5: know it wasn't sexy, and I know it's ridiculous to

816
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 5: think that that was modern football. It wasn't right, but

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Speaker 5: that's not the point. The point is to win, right,

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Speaker 5: and they put themselves in position to win. Here is

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Speaker 5: where I think the complication comes in.

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Speaker 2: They got it.

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Speaker 5: Take Phil the Rivers out of it to a degree.

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Speaker 5: For that style of play to work, you have to

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Speaker 5: get perfect performance on defense, special teams has to come through,

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00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 5: and all those things actually happened and they still lost.

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Speaker 5: So my concern would be that is a very difficult

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Speaker 5: thing to duplicate and it ultimately didn't work. Right, It

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Speaker 5: was a great effort and they did as best as

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Speaker 5: could be expected, but it ultimately didn't work.

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Speaker 4: So is it.

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Speaker 5: Now sustainable to think that they can do it again?

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Speaker 5: Is their defense going to play a flawless at that

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Speaker 5: level and not give up a touchdown against one of

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00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: the best offenses in football? I mean, I don't know

834
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Speaker 5: if you can expect them to duplicate that. I thought

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Speaker 5: that's the best that defense has played in weeks, So

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Speaker 5: that was their apex, especially given the health of that

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00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 5: defense right now. Right so you're missing your three best players.

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Speaker 5: So I think you're asking the right question. I don't

839
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: know if they can duplicate it, and and if you can't,

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Speaker 5: then it goes to what you're saying, which is to

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Speaker 5: do more.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder, my guests Java House, Peel and poor guest Line,

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Speaker 1: and I know that you probably are like at this

849
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Speaker 1: point blue in the face of talking about Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: But I want to make this clear for people. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson now, with three games remaining for the Colts, realistically speaking,

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00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson would be how many games away or weeks

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00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: away from being football ready to return to a game situation.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we know. I think you need to

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Speaker 5: see him, That's the thing. It's an impossible question without

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Speaker 5: seeing him perform because what he went through is so

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Speaker 5: unique and so unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: We just don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think he's cleared from the perspective of, you know,

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Speaker 5: he can't re injure.

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Speaker 2: Himself with that orbital fracture. I guess it's healed, is

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Speaker 2: what I'd say.

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Speaker 5: But you also have to remember he's been out for

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Speaker 5: two months. He had he had some vision issues in

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Speaker 5: that right eye as a result of this injury. You know,

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Speaker 5: is that cleared up? We haven't gotten a lot of

867
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Speaker 5: straight answers as a problem, and so what we need,

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Speaker 5: if they're willing, we need Shane Steiken to give. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think some straighter answers on where he's at, and

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Speaker 5: we just don't know that, and without knowing that, it's

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Speaker 5: hard to say. But what I what I will say

872
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: in conclusion is that one thing that will help us

873
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 5: arrive at an answer is put him out there and

874
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: let him practice and let's see what we're working with.

875
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: And I think there's a good chance. I think that

876
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 5: happens this week. I'm looking forward to that. I mean,

877
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 5: I think there's there's a case there where, or a

878
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 5: situation there where everybody could win if he gets back

879
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 5: to practice, even if he doesn't play this year. And

880
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: what I mean is the Colts can evaluate him at

881
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: least they barely saw him this year because he got

882
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: hurt and then then then play and.

883
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: Then got hurt right and then he also Anthony can

884
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: get some confidence going and get back in the groove

885
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: of things before he goes into an offseason and who

886
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: knows what happens to him then. So I think it

887
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: would be.

888
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Great for everybody, Stephen of these quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson in

889
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: current state, I'll use it that way. Riley Leonard and

890
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, which do you truly believe gives them the

891
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: best chance to win games or move the football.

892
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: Oh, if he's one hundred percent Anthony Richardson. And it's

893
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: not even a conversation for me, Like it's it's.

894
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: Not easy in it.

895
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying in his current state though, where he is

896
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: right now, like this in sixteenth of December, fair.

897
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 5: Enough, fair enough, I mean without knowing everything. And you

898
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 5: know it just made Claire. We don't have all the details.

899
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: If he is, if he's good enough to play, and

900
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 5: I think he is. If he's good enough to play,

901
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 5: I think it may fail, right, it may not work,

902
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 5: but I like my chances there. Here's why you can

903
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 5: now do things that you are prevented from doing with

904
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers, Riley Leonard. While he doesn't have any physical limitations,

905
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: he does have the knee injury. I saw him throw

906
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: all morning on Sunday morning before the game. He's fine, Okay,

907
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: trust me, he's fine. If he's out there, he can

908
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 5: do more than Philip Rivers physically, There's no question about that.

909
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 5: But I don't think in terms of the physical abilities

910
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 5: that Anthony Richardson has, there's no comparison there.

911
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: But here's why I ask, Steven, here's why I ask.

912
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: If Riley Leonard can do the equivalent of Philip Rivers, Okay,

913
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: and for that matter, Ryley Leonard is probably more mobile

914
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: than Philip Rivers. Then if that's the case, certainly, and

915
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: considering and considering that Riley Leonard is a player, I'm

916
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: not saying a lock, but Riley Leonard is a player

917
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: that has the chance to be part of your roster

918
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: and your depth moving forward. Philip Rivers does not. So

919
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: why then Philip Rivers over Riley Leonard.

920
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 5: So I know not everyone will agree with this, That's fine,

921
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 5: but I'm telling you in my opinion, in my educated opinion,

922
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 5: I think if Riley Leonard would have gone up against

923
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 5: that Seattle defense, it would have been ugly right. The

924
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 5: reason I say that is because he would have made

925
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 5: mistakes that Philip Rivers didn't make. And while it was

926
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 5: certainly it was painful to watch at times, this forty

927
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 5: four year old middle aged man trying to do this. Okay,

928
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: I get it right. That is what it took against

929
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 5: that opportunistic defense. They got a lot of playmakers over there.

930
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 5: They would have put Riley Leonard in a freaking blender

931
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 5: in my opinion, I have no doubt given up a

932
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 5: touchdown in twofold games.

933
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: Do you feel that's the same for San Francisco?

934
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I think Robert sala would would make his

935
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 5: head spin.

936
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, absolutely so so with that, And look, the

937
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: Colts are still mathematically and statistically in the possibility for

938
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: the postseason, right, and I get it they owe it

939
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: to themselves to push in on that. The question is

940
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: is this in any way, shape or form. Is this

941
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form Chris Ballard and or

942
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: Shane Steike and wanting to make a push because they

943
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: feel that that is necessary. Like selection Sunday with the

944
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, when they say, like, okay, state your case,

945
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: what are your good wins, what's your profile? Are they

946
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: in position? Do you believe where they feel like they

947
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: may have to state that case and make that argument

948
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: to ownership at the.

949
00:54:59,239 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: End of the year.

950
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 5: I mean, they may have to make that argument, but

951
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: I think they're they're unrelated. And here's why, because what's

952
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 5: the alternative You sit on your ass and just take

953
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 5: the take the l right that that's not an alternative.

954
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 5: In fact that I would I would think much less

955
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 5: of them as as men. If they did that, I

956
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 5: would think significantly less of them. You're doing what it takes.

957
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 5: Now we can we can quibble as a fan, you

958
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 5: can quibble about how they are going about achieving that

959
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 5: goal of staying in competitive That is fine. But I

960
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: would not as a fan argue the fact that they

961
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 5: are trying to do something right because, as I said,

962
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 5: the alternative is, well, you just take the l and

963
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 5: you say we suck. Well I don't. I wouldn't respect

964
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 5: that right. So I think they're doing what they have

965
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 5: to do. This is I mean, ultimately if they would

966
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 5: if they pull that off on Sunday, I mean, I

967
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 5: still don't think they're a team that's going in where

968
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 5: in the long term this year. But now you're if

969
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 5: they win that game, they're really in it, and they

970
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 5: gave themselves every opportunity, so they have I think they're

971
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 5: doing the right thing in terms of the goal, the

972
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 5: means of getting to the goal.

973
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: That is for the individual to decide.

974
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: Has Tyler Warren started to hit a rookie wall, I

975
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: don't know.

976
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 5: As much as I think circumstances maybe have have got

977
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 5: have gotten the best of him. And I mean circumstances

978
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 5: beyond his control, like the quarterback situation and the offense.

979
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: Just kind of in a lull.

980
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 5: I do think that if Daniel Jones is playing, you're

981
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: seeing a different version of Tyler Warren. It's just been tough.

982
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: No.

983
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 5: Now, I would say, if you get Anthony Richardson back

984
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: out there, I am not promising that's going to happen, right,

985
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 5: just very very hypothetically.

986
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: I think if you get.

987
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 5: If you if you get Anthony Richardson out there, now

988
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 5: you you're creating more matchup issues with a quarterback like that.

989
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 5: Now you bring the read option to the table, and

990
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: I could see bootlegs with Tyler Warren wide open, like

991
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 5: there's some things you can do there. It's tougher with

992
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: the limitations with Philip Rivers, even though he had a

993
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 5: lot of success with tight ends. I mean certainly we

994
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: know of one in particular back in San Diego who

995
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: did okay, right, But I just think with the way

996
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 5: they use Tyler Warren, I think it helps if the

997
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 5: quarterback can sort of move around and you can get

998
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 5: those matchups with with Tyler Warren that they're not getting

999
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 5: maybe as much right now. But I think he's been fine.

1000
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 5: I think he's been fine, but he's definitely been quieter.

1001
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 5: I don't put it on him per se though.

1002
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, I'm gonna take for your protection here. I'm

1003
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna take Indiana out of the equation of what I'm

1004
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: about to ask. Okay, but here's how we're going to

1005
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: do this. If you look at the college football playoff,

1006
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: you got Indiana, We're gonna take Indiana out of the

1007
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: equation as a potential answer.

1008
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: You got Ohio State, Georgia.

1009
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Miami. Obviously we know about right

1010
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: ore agaon James Madison Tulane.

1011
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: I think that covers the most of them.

1012
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give you a situation for the Colts,

1013
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me the college football

1014
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: team that you feel has the same likelihood of it

1015
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: happening in terms of them winning it. So example, if

1016
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: I said to you, okay, the odds that Philip Rivers

1017
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: throws a touchdown past the rest of the year, and

1018
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: you would say those are very good odds. So you

1019
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: would say that's in Ohio State. If I say, okay,

1020
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: the odds of Tyler Warren having a one hundred and

1021
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: fifty yard receiving game. You would say, that's James Madison,

1022
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. You see how we're doing this, right, So

1023
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: that said, let me present to you the scenario, and

1024
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me the college football playoff

1025
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: team of the ken likelihood. Okay, Anthony Richardson starts a

1026
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: game the remainder of this season.

1027
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: Hmm okay, that's that is a tricky one. I would

1028
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: say that is.

1029
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: A Now we we do have teams like we do

1030
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: have teams like Oregon, Miami and Texas Tech that like

1031
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: they may have a chance, but we don't know enough

1032
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: about them per se.

1033
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 5: If you will well that I'm thinking exactly that. That's why,

1034
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: so I said, by any and I think it's because

1035
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: two things. Number one, they were we didn't even know

1036
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 5: if they were gonna be there.

1037
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: All right, that.

1038
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 5: Definitely fits in this particular instance, right Okay, Okay, so

1039
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 5: so like but but now they're in play, so anything

1040
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 5: could happen. Okay, I just explained Anthony Richardson's entire career.

1041
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: Okay, we're done here. Okay.

1042
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Number two, Philip Rivers starts and or plays in a

1043
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: game for the Colts after they are if they are

1044
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: eliminated from the playoffs.

1045
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: So if they have, and you know, it may be

1046
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: that they.

1047
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: Go all the way to the But if they realistically

1048
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: had a game where they have been eliminated from the playoffs,

1049
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is still played as part of their team.

1050
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 5: Hmmm, that is a hell of a dilemma. I lean

1051
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 5: towards saying they play him. I really do, okay, but

1052
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: I'll I'll say I'm not convinced for sure, so I'll

1053
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 5: say I don't know, Like so.

1054
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: This is so, this is okay. I was gonna say this.

1055
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: This feels a little like old miss and the fact

1056
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: that like there's there's precedent there to think, but at

1057
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: the same time there's like changes and uncertainty at the top,

1058
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: and so therefore you don't know how it's going to

1059
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: go right right, right, Like, I mean.

1060
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 5: I can make a hell of an argument in that

1061
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 5: scenario to say, let's say Richardson can't play, I would

1062
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: I'd say, all right, well, what the hell is Riley

1063
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 5: Leonard here for?

1064
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: Right?

1065
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's been my question, right because.

1066
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 5: The reason for the reason for not playing Riley Leonard

1067
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 5: right now is the stakes are too high.

1068
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: And I agree I'm fine with that.

1069
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 5: If the stakes then are are different, well, then the

1070
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 5: argument is different.

1071
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: Okay, give me. I would be on the other side

1072
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: of that.

1073
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: Give me the odds possibility in the college football playoff.

1074
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: Give me the team that aligns with the odds of

1075
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: this Chris Ballard or Shane steichen Our playing or excuse me,

1076
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: coaching and or guiding for their cult's future in the

1077
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: last three weeks.

1078
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 5: I'd say, I'm gonna say, uh, that would be two lane.

1079
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 5: I think they're back. I'm telling you here. No one

1080
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 5: wants to hear it, but I'm telling you I think

1081
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 5: they're back.

1082
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: Okay, let me go with one more for you here,

1083
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: are you ready?

1084
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: Yep?

1085
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will be signed to a multi year deal

1086
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: in the off season despite his Achilles recovery by the Colts.

1087
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: What team, hm hm hm hmmm. Uh Okay.

1088
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 5: I lean toward most of the year because I think

1089
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Speaker 5: I think they believe they'll get a better deal, maybe

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Speaker 5: that they can entice him with. This is this is hypothetical.

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Speaker 5: They haven't told me this. This is just me thinking

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Speaker 5: through it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Uh, if you can give him a.

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Speaker 5: Multi year deal, you give him security. But you're gonna

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to make a sacrifice Daniel on the money. Right,

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Speaker 5: That's that's what I That's how I would present this

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Speaker 5: if I were them, Uh, if they indeed believe in him.

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Speaker 1: Right, So then so the odds of him getting a

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Speaker 1: contract offer you're saying is are we looking at Ohio

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Speaker 1: State here? Uh?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll go, I'll go. I'll go testas Tech. They're

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Speaker 5: they're the four seeds. So you know I'm not all

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 5: the way in or Georgia, Georgia. Yeah, George is a

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Speaker 5: good one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Because here's the thing that I talked about this

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Speaker 1: last week, and I want your thoughts on this. Steven Holder,

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Speaker 1: our guest to ESPN dot com, Java House Peel and

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: poor guest line is where you're hearing his voice. It

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: seems to me like there may be a little bit

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01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: advantage Colts in this form. The only advantage of the

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones injury, Stephen is that you are correct. This

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: has now shifted the the marketing leverage of a contract

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01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: term to advantage Indianapolis as opposed to advantage Daniel Jones.

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01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: They now theoretically couldn't get him at a much lower price, Right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think this it's still going to

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01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 5: be a tricky negotiation because the injury makes it tricky. However,

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01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 5: it was it was going to be tricky before as well,

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: because it was going to be one year of highlight

1119
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: level albeit really great performance, but one year and there

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Speaker 5: is still the old Daniel Jones, right, So it's again

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 5: it would have been tricky either way because at that

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: point you don't have the health as a variable. So

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Speaker 5: he can make the argument I made your team relevant, right.

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: He could make that argument, and who's going to be

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Speaker 5: able to argue against that?

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Speaker 2: Well? What does that cost? Right?

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 5: So here I think he still has that argument. But

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Speaker 5: your counter argument is your achilles is busted.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: We love you, but it is what it is. So yeah,

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 5: I do think I do agree with you. It's given

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01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 5: them a little advantage because I think the one thing

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 5: you have to think about in the contract negotiation is

1134
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 5: what is the worst case scenario? And the worst case

1135
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 5: scenario is we are wrong and then two years from

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 5: now we're cutting this guy, right, and what.

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: Does that cost us? Right?

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Speaker 5: So that's how you have to approach it. And I

1139
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 5: think this will enable them to to execute a contract

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01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 5: that maybe puts them at less risk.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: In the worst case scenario.

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Speaker 1: Mooney Ward and Braden Smith one of the odds both

1143
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: of them are back as Colts next year.

1144
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: I think Brayden Smith. Again, I'm going to be very clear,

1145
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 5: this does not mean reporting this, projecting this, or anything.

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01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 5: I think the odds are decent that Braden Smith says

1147
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 5: I've had a good run, you know. I mean he's

1148
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 5: been through a lot, right, physically well documented, right, well documented.

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Speaker 3: And the same can be said, And the same can

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Speaker 3: be said for mooney Ward.

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: Right, and with all respect to him, if physically three

1152
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: concussion protocols this year and then emotionally the loss of

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: his daughter, I mean he's been through a lot.

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: As well, no question about it. Now.

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Speaker 5: Now that one trickier because you know he's in the

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: prime of his career. Braiden Smith played fine this year,

1157
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 5: but I think you know it's he has certainly declined somewhat, right.

1158
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 5: I think Mooney Ward is a great player, So that's

1159
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 5: what's trickier. But you are correct, I mean you can't

1160
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 5: judge it just based on his play because there's too

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 5: much else going on.

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Speaker 2: Now. The early word, and I mean super early.

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: Because who knows, right, he hasn't had a chance to

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 5: get away from.

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01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: It and all that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but the early word is that he's

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01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 5: still engaged and still wants to keep playing. But I

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01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 5: am not you know, I'm not promising that. I have

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 5: no idea, but I do think as of now, with

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 5: limited information, I think he's back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Steven, I'm going to name the college football matchup,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to, Steven hold her immediate gut reaction.

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Speaker 3: Who you think will win? You're ready?

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01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: James Madison Oregon.

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: Oregon by three touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Okay Oregon Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm uh I'll say, I'll say Oregon. Okay. But

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Speaker 2: I'm but I'm.

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Speaker 5: Less sorry about that because I don't know Texas Tech

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Speaker 5: that well.

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: No one does, and I mean not even the kid

1183
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: on the landman anywhere's their hat every day?

1184
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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Alabama Oklahoma, ah Man, tough one Oklahoma, Okay, Oklahoma, Indiana, Indiana.

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01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: I like them over anybody right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, tou laane old Miss.

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: Uh old Miss better athletes.

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Speaker 3: I guess Old Miss Georgia, good game.

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Speaker 2: Georgia out coaches them.

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01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: Okay, you're Alma Matern Miami and.

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: Uh, hang on, Who's Who's Miami god te Texas A

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: and m Texas saying that yeah.

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01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, tough one. Miami buy a field goal.

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Miami Ohio State, but I don't really believe it.

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:19,440
Speaker 1: Miami Ohio State, Ohio State, but it's close. Okay, Ohio State, Georgia.

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State by a smidge.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Indiana, Oregon, Indiana for the second time. Indiana, Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Again for the second time.

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Speaker 1: Indiana, Kurt, if you could please play the breaking news sounder.

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Speaker 1: This just an ESPN dot com Stephen Holder projecting the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers will be the two thousand and twenty five

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Speaker 1: college football season unblemished and undefeated national champion. Uh, Steven,

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: We're not holding you to that, but it's fun nonetheless, right, Yeah.

1205
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I listen, I I'm not going out. I'm

1206
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 5: not going out on a limb here.

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: But I think.

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Speaker 5: That that's that's probably the most complete team. That's That's

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 5: what I like is, you know, it's not like, oh,

1210
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 5: their offense is just really good or or this aspect

1211
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 5: of their team. I think they're a complete team, and

1212
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 5: so rarely do you get that, you know, in college football,

1213
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 5: where what's the weakness. I don't know that there is one,

1214
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 5: so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I love them.

1216
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 5: They've been great. It's been great fun just watching them

1217
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 5: this year, and I hope the rio continues.

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 3: Have you watched Landman? By the way, I have not

1219
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: one of the one of the one of the dudes

1220
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 3: on Landman.

1221
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: It takes place in West Texas, who wears a Texas

1222
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Tech hat all the time.

1223
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: It is.

1224
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is the perfectly cast outfit. That'd be

1225
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: the easiest casting director job or excuse me, wardrobing job

1226
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: of all time. Like, hey, we just need you to,

1227
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: uh you know a guy that works on an oil

1228
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Speaker 1: patch in West Texas.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: Wrangler jeans, cowboy boots, a fla fannel shirt and flannel

1231
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: short sleeve shirt and a Texas Tech hat.

1232
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 3: Done right?

1233
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: Right? I mean right, that's not believable at all?

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, easiest thing ever. All right, Steven, appreciate it.

1235
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: We will be looking for the coverage Monday night now

1236
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: Colts and Nighters coming up this week for Indianapolis.

1237
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Steven, all right, you got it?

1238
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: All right?

1239
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder joining me from ESPN, Dot Comic and Java

1240
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: House peel and poor guest line. I mentioned Indiana and

1241
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,799
Speaker 1: the college football playoff and attrition one of the things,

1242
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get more into this as we

1243
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: get closer to it, but one of the things, if

1244
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: there is something I had to pick that is of

1245
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: concern to me in regards to Indiana, would simply be

1246
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the course of their season, and

1247
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: I know that India and it is Look, I'm the

1248
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: first to admit they continue to prove this wrong. And

1249
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: I give Kurt Signetti all the credit in the world.

1250
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: The guy is a maestro, and they continue to prove

1251
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:08,480
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say wrong, But their roster itself,

1252
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: there is a lack of depth in comparison to not

1253
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: not a lack of depth, but you know, we talk

1254
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: all the time about and it's to their credit the

1255
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: fact that they don't have the four stars and the

1256
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: five stars and Mendoza talking about the it's not where

1257
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: you start out, it's not about your hype, it's not

1258
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: about those things. It's about the work you put in

1259
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: and where you are. And he is the perfect ambassador

1260
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: and representative of that program to win the Heisman Trophy.

1261
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: Because Fernando Mendoza as a player, as a prospect, as

1262
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 1: a belief, as a testament, represents everything about Kurt Signety

1263
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: and the Indiana football program. Everything about it in every way,

1264
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: shape or form in a positive. But the one thing

1265
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: that I would say is if you look at the

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: way that team is constructed, and they have done a

1267
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: remarkable job of next man up when players have been hurt,

1268
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: and we talked about it yesterday with Don Fisher, but

1269
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: when you are now even as good as their schedule

1270
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: was in the Big Ten, the Big Ten's no joke.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: They had a great game against Illinois, they had a

1273
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: big win against Oregon, and then they come back and

1274
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: they had to snatch one against Iowa. They had to

1275
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: snatch one against Penn State, and that was a remarkable

1276
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: performance against Ohio State. But the challenge now becomes Ohio

1277
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: State in Georgia and for that matter.

1278
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 3: Oh Miss.

1279
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume a Texas A and M in

1280
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: this category. I think they have the depth to be

1281
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: able to rotate guys in to keep people fresh when

1282
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 1: you're now having to play football for three consecutive games.

1283
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: Indiana's about I mean, Indiana's biggest wins of the year

1284
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: and they have two of the they have the two

1285
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: best wins in college football, don't get me wrong, Oregon

1286
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: in Ohio State. What they have to do now that

1287
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: is going to be the challenge is put together three

1288
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: of those games and back to back to back weeks.

1289
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: And that's what's going to be a challenge. You've got

1290
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: to go out and you've got to beat the winner

1291
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma Alabama, and then you've got to beat the

1292
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: winner of presumably Oregon Texas Tech. And then you've got

1293
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: to beat Ohio State or Georgia, and you've got to

1294
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: do it one after another after another. And the I'm

1295
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: not saying they don't have depth, but it's going to

1296
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: be tested now more than for all of these teams,

1297
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: for all of these teams. But it seemingly feels like, say,

1298
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:57,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State can rotate subtly guys through and set themselves

1299
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: up for that over three games, or Georgia or Texas

1300
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Tech or or excuse me, Texas A and m advantage

1301
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: to those schools. But you would be a fool to

1302
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: continue to rule out Indiana and their ability to dig deep.

1303
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: But they're gonna have to do it now more so

1304
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: than they have at any point under the.

1305
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: Era of Kurt Signetty.

1306
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: Obviously, something happened over the course of the week in

1307
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: high school football that was both I guess you'd say,

1308
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: or excuse me, high school basketball that was both tragic

1309
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,799
Speaker 1: but at the same time can be celebrated. Kyle Nettrip,

1310
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: our friend from the Indianapolis Star, to explain that Butler

1311
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: I believe tonight taking on Yukon Brayla Mullins, the reigning

1312
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: Mister Basketball in that game, guy that covered him and

1313
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: now has covered a new recipient of the coveted Mister

1314
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: Football Award, And there is news to talk about in

1315
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: both sports from a high school standpoint, with our friend

1316
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Star, Kyle Neddenripp joining the program now

1317
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: on the Joba House ap Peel and poor guest line.

1318
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: You got spared, Kyle, because since we've moved to the

1319
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: new location, we're still unpacking boxes, notably the one where

1320
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: you call yourself both lost and clueless.

1321
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, yeah, that's that's okay.

1322
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: I can It's a holiday.

1323
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 8: Season, so you're you're being kind today.

1324
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 3: That's right.

1325
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: Let's begin with football from a football standpoint. Saw it

1326
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: just within the last day or so congratulations and well deserved.

1327
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: But the Indianapolis Star there is a new Indiana mister

1328
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,440
Speaker 1: football to congratulate.

1329
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, we awarded that Miles mclafflin. Yesterday, the Indian Football

1330
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 8: Coach Association voted Miles and it was pretty you know,

1331
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 8: the voting was was pretty much in his favor. I

1332
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 8: mean sixty four percent I think sixty four point five

1333
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 8: percent of the votes and Heritagegill's Jeded Goldsberry had about

1334
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 8: sixteen sixteen or eighteen percent. You have to I have

1335
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,839
Speaker 8: to read the story again that I wrote, but somewhere

1336
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 8: in that range. So it was pretty lopsided and kind

1337
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 8: of thought that might be how it went down. You know,

1338
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 8: Miles had such a great run, especially the second half

1339
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 8: of the season, you know, started to really get some

1340
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 8: national recognition and you know, people like Derek Henry even

1341
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 8: talking about him on various platforms and you know, and

1342
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 8: to get you know, he ended up the all time

1343
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 8: single season national record holder for rushing. So you know,

1344
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 8: when you get those type of you know that that

1345
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 8: type of accolades and accomplishments, uh puts you on another stratosphere.

1346
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 8: And definitely getting his team they were they were you know,

1347
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 8: one step away from making the state finals. But you know,

1348
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 8: to get that team as far as he did, uh

1349
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 8: certainly helped him as well. So yeah, very you know,

1350
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 8: and he said, you know, you know, talking to him yesterday,

1351
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 8: you know, he did say it was a lot of

1352
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 8: pressure and you know, it felt like the way the

1353
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 8: world was on him at times, and you know, but

1354
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 8: then he said it was in it. It was in

1355
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 8: a good way. It was fun, you know, and he

1356
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 8: obviously carried that team along way. So I think, uh,

1357
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 8: you know, he's going to Murray State to play next

1358
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 8: year and be a running back. So you know, we'll

1359
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 8: see how he does in college. But uh, but yeah,

1360
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 8: I'm a pretty pretty cool story from a little town

1361
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 8: that had never had a mister football before.

1362
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, it's funny because Knox is

1363
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: the town, right or not in the school and I

1364
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: I always assumed, you know, like north Knox and Knox

1365
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: County is down south of Vincennes. This is the opposite end,

1366
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 1: right we're talking about uh, northeastern Indiana up near Fort Wayne.

1367
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 8: Correct, it's north you know, northwest actually you know you're

1368
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 8: going towards uh, you know, winn.

1369
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 3: Am back up in that okay, yeah, okay.

1370
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: That part of the state.

1371
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,839
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's it's kind of a it's start County,

1372
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 8: which you know, they've never actually the county has never

1373
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 8: had a mister football. It's you know, I've been up

1374
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 8: there probably what three times now.

1375
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

1376
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 8: It's it's a quite a quite a hall to get

1377
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 8: up that way, but it's it's kind of just you know,

1378
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 8: if you're thinking about the you know, the the time zones,

1379
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 8: they are in the Central time zone just barely, so

1380
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 8: you know, they're they're up there pretty far up in

1381
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 8: the northwest part of the state. But yeah, they you know,

1382
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 8: it's it's h We were in the school yesterday and

1383
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 8: obviously a lot of excitement for him about this award,

1384
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 8: and you know, he'll he'll uh, you know, that's something

1385
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 8: you know, he's got two younger brothers and they're you know,

1386
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 8: they're gonna you know, it's something that they can their

1387
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 8: family can really you know appreciate, I think, and enjoy

1388
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 8: and really that whole community.

1389
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: Rush Radke he's the coach there and.

1390
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 8: He's been you know, he's a fifty year high school

1391
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 8: football coach and you know, talking to him yesterday too,

1392
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 8: obviously very appreciative of having a mister Football, you know,

1393
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 8: having coached one.

1394
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: So uh but yeah, pretty cool.

1395
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 8: I mean he kind of came from I would they

1396
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 8: came from the outside.

1397
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1398
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 8: When I was doing this last year looking at the

1399
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 8: candidates for this year, you know, he wasn't among the

1400
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 8: top you know, top five or anything like that, so

1401
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 8: you know, kind of uh, you know, was able to

1402
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 8: get his way in there and then win pretty handily,

1403
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 8: which is which is quite an accomplishment, Kyle.

1404
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, things like that, a guy winning a

1405
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: Mister Football, doing it from a smaller school like that,

1406
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: a smaller community. You know, that stuff brings people together

1407
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: and they talk about it for a long time and

1408
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: you know it's cool.

1409
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 3: Right.

1410
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes communities also are kind of forced to come together

1411
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: in circling around or gathering around or holding together tight

1412
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: after something that is not always you know, as celebratory.

1413
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: It goes without saying, but sometimes the worst situations can

1414
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: bring out the best in the community and for a

1415
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: family as well. Tell me about the tragically sad story,

1416
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: but at the same time, maybe with a community feel

1417
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: to it of Jeff.

1418
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 8: The ref Yeah, Jeff, you know, Jeff Tomari passed away

1419
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 8: Friday night, was refereeing a game at Monrovia Girls game

1420
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 8: against speed Away, and in the second quarter of that game,

1421
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 8: you know, collapsed and you know passed away, and you know,

1422
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 8: I talked to several referees that night, you know, ended

1423
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 8: up talking to his family, his daughter, one of his daughters,

1424
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 8: his ex wife, his sister.

1425
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: He was in his early sixties, correct, Yeah.

1426
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 8: Sixty three would have been sixty four next month actually,

1427
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 8: so yeah, he was sixty three. You know, had a

1428
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 8: you know, he was a you know, an athletic guy.

1429
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 8: He was a Perry Murdy and graduate. I was a

1430
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,839
Speaker 8: swimmer there actually, and you know went on in he refereed,

1431
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 8: He did all these you know, not only high school basketball,

1432
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 8: but he was if he you know, talked to some

1433
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 8: of the refs and umpires he worked with. Was a

1434
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 8: really good baseball umpire. I talked to Kevin Brown, who

1435
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 8: umpired with him, and he said he was just a

1436
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 8: fantastic baseball umpire. Should have been in the state finals,

1437
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 8: you know, that type of umpire. I did a lot

1438
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 8: of high school football and basketball as well, and then

1439
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 8: started doing a lot of youth games, you know, and

1440
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 8: that was sort of where you know, the Jeff the

1441
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 8: ref moniker came from and you know, he got to

1442
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 8: know these kids up in Zionsville Youth League and you

1443
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 8: know other leagues that he did at Greenwood. He lived

1444
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 8: in Greenwood, you know, and had you know, I talked

1445
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 8: to his you know a lot of his closer friends

1446
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 8: in the umpiring and refereeing world as well. But uh,

1447
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 8: but yeah, I just had a way about him that

1448
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 8: I think, uh, you know.

1449
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: Kids were just kind of drawn to him.

1450
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 8: He was always, you know, very positive guy, positive as

1451
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 8: far as you know, teaching kids, you know, not being

1452
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 8: you know, just someone who's there just to be there,

1453
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 8: you know. And we've all seen that at times, whether

1454
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 8: it's you know, umpiring or reffing or whatever, just you're

1455
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 8: just kind of there, you know, you know, just to

1456
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 8: be there, you know. But he sort of went out

1457
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 8: of his way to you know, correct the shot or

1458
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 8: correct tele a kid. Hey you travel on that watch,

1459
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 8: you know, don't do that again, stuff like that. And

1460
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 8: you know, so I think that was just kind.

1461
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 2: Of the way he was.

1462
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 8: Kids kids really were were sort.

1463
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: Of drawn to him that way.

1464
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 8: And and you know, I've heard from so many people,

1465
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 8: you know, either social media or you know who have

1466
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 8: had a good.

1467
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: Experience with them.

1468
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 8: And you know, obviously, like you said, it's a you know,

1469
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 8: the whole situation no matter you know who it happened

1470
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 8: to on Friday night, was you know that you feel

1471
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 8: for those people who were there and the kids who

1472
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 8: are watching that happen. Uh, you know, it's something they'll

1473
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 8: never forget, you know, anyone who was there that night.

1474
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 8: So you know, regardless of Jeff, you know, the person,

1475
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 8: you know, just being in that moment is something they're

1476
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 8: going to carry with him as well. But but yeah,

1477
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 8: I also wanted to tell the story about who he

1478
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 8: was and and you know, tried to do that from

1479
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 8: you know, talking to his family and his you know,

1480
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 8: people who knew him from the refereeing world. But yeah,

1481
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 8: just to you know, like I said, it's just a

1482
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 8: sad situation. But I think some people definitely feel better

1483
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 8: having you know, read more about him or heard more

1484
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 8: about him, or talk more about him, you know, including

1485
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 8: his family. I think it was you know, from talking

1486
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 8: to his family Sunday and Saturday and Sunday, you know,

1487
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 8: just to you know kind of talk about them, I

1488
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 8: think is helpful sometimes, you know.

1489
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, Kyle, the you know, for it itself.

1490
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: I guess two things here on this real quick to

1491
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of put a tie on all of it. The

1492
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: first is we still don't know because I and I

1493
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: understand that it's probably.

1494
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 3: Almost bordering on invasive to ask. But for you know, if.

1495
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Someone is refereeing games, they obviously have an interest in

1496
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: young people and helping young people progress and learning, you know,

1497
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: and learning the game, teaching the game.

1498
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 3: Things like that.

1499
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned about high school officials of note,

1500
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, I've been around and had the pleasure to

1501
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: meet some of them. Many of them do it because

1502
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 1: they love being around high school kids and athletics and

1503
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: teaching the game and watching the game and being a

1504
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: fan of the game and of young people's appreciation of

1505
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: the game, and so they lend their time for that.

1506
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: They ain't doing it to be rich, right, I mean,

1507
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: they're doing it for a love of the growth of

1508
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: the game. So in that spirit there, possibly from a

1509
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: health standpoint, could be something that people could learn from

1510
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: this tragedy of Jeff, But we don't know yet what

1511
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: it was that was the cause of this.

1512
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 8: Correct, Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean that's for pretty

1513
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 8: much words, you know, I can't you know because I

1514
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 8: don't know.

1515
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:19,839
Speaker 3: For sure, correct, I understand.

1516
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's some you know, the way it happened would

1517
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 8: lead you to think it was it was a heart situation,

1518
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 8: but yeah, we don't know for sure exactly, so you know,

1519
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 8: And I don't want to speak out a turn to

1520
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 8: the family or whatever.

1521
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nor was I asking My point simply being there

1522
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: is not because the natural thing people hearing it would think,

1523
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: especially with my initiatives towards heart health and things like that,

1524
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: is hey, was there something with which we can learn

1525
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: or be aware? And this short answer of that is,

1526
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: at this point there is not a definitive known cause

1527
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: as to what could have caused this and possibly other

1528
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: health complications.

1529
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: That were unaware.

1530
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: But there is no definitive answer, is what I wanted

1531
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: to get at. The other is, you know, how was

1532
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: it handled in the moment by Monrovia or buy just

1533
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: administrators there to kind of help kids through this?

1534
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I I you know, I did.

1535
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 8: I talked to John Gregacious, the Monrovi a D that night,

1536
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 8: and you know, and everyone I talked to, you know,

1537
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 8: including him, said, you know, they did everything possible.

1538
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: The emergency EMT.

1539
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 8: The emergency personnel were there quickly, and you know, people

1540
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 8: came out of the you know, out of the bleachers

1541
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 8: to help, you know, who were who were qualified, and

1542
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 8: they got the kids out, you know, they got the

1543
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 8: kids to the locker room, you know, and they you know,

1544
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 8: they had everything there on site to do the best

1545
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 8: they could in that situation. And and you know, so

1546
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 8: I don't and the family told me that too, and

1547
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 8: they you know, they felt like, uh, you know, everything

1548
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 8: possible was done to try to make you know, to

1549
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 8: to try to help Jeff out, and it just didn't happen. So,

1550
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 8: you know, so I think I think they were ready.

1551
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 8: I think there's been things happened in the past, you know,

1552
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,839
Speaker 8: just just generally around the country to make high schools

1553
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 8: more ready for situations like this. You know, so I

1554
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 8: think that helped, you know, But but honestly, you know,

1555
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 8: it's just it's so sad because it just, you know,

1556
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 8: you didn't get a positive outcome out of it. And

1557
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 8: you know, I know them and Rovia team got together

1558
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 8: on set. They were supposed to play actually on Saturday

1559
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 8: morning against Try West. They obviously canceled that game because

1560
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 8: of the situation, but they did get together, they had

1561
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 8: breakfast together. They wanted to make sure the girls weren't

1562
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 8: just at home, you know, by themselves, so they did

1563
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 8: get together at least, and I know they were, you know,

1564
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 8: planning to get back to school today. I think they

1565
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 8: had yesterday off because of the weather. But bah, I'm

1566
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 8: sure you know, for those girls too, it's just it's

1567
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 8: something you'll never forget, obviously, But you know, I think

1568
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 8: the fact that they were able to be together as

1569
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 8: much as they could, and you know, they're gonna get

1570
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 8: a chance to continue their season and you know the

1571
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 8: girls from Speedway too, and you know, hopefully there's you know,

1572
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 8: something positive. They're going to finish this game at some point.

1573
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 8: I can't remember when the you know, when they'll play again,

1574
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 8: but I'm sure that'll be something. With the teams back

1575
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 8: together again, that can be some sort of a healing too.

1576
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 8: But but yeah, from a standpoint of you know, doing

1577
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 8: everything they could in the moment, everything I've heard it

1578
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 8: was real, you know, even like I said, from the

1579
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 8: family too, was real positive on that front.

1580
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: Kyle appreciate the time today and also you know, letting

1581
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: everybody know about that story. But more about Jeff, you

1582
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean to let people know via The

1583
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star, what kind of guy he was, the dedication

1584
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: he had towards sports, in multi sports and helping out

1585
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: with his expertise and officiating.

1586
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:43,440
Speaker 3: Appreciate the time today.

1587
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: Man for sure.

1588
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Thanks Jay, Kyle Edrip joining me on the job house

1589
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: peelmpor gaest line speaking of high schoolasketball and football. By

1590
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: the way, double header coming up at the Coliseum. Holiday

1591
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: tournament's galore, right and we always love them. There's a

1592
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: new one coming up to the Coliseum. I'll tell you

1593
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: about that on the other side, Scott Act top of

1594
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: the hour, Thank.

1595
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 3: You to this information.

1596
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: I was just passed along, by the way, the game

1597
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: that Kyle was talking about between Minrovi and Speedway will

1598
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: be played January twenty fourth with no admission, but people

1599
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: will be able to make a contribution to Jeff's family

1600
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 1: after the tragedy that took place there with him passing

1601
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: during that game and they did not complete the game.

1602
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: So thank you for that information. Did want to mention,

1603
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: by the way, you know holiday tournaments. I know people

1604
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: love like the holiday tournaments. One of the fun things

1605
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: about this time of year, especially from a high school

1606
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: basketball standpoint. Those that take place new one now at

1607
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: the coliseum, talking about the Fairgrounds Coliseum got to be

1608
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: taking place this Saturday. This Saturday, it is the Breakaway

1609
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Classic Girls and Boys doubleheader. The girls it is Bloomington, South, Schatard,

1610
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Floyd Central and McCutcheon. The boys then getting underway at

1611
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: six o'clock. So this is all day basketball girls starting

1612
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: at noon, then the boys at six o'clock. It is

1613
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: Bbuff and Fort Wayne, Lewis and Avon and Harrison those

1614
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: games all taking place. So that is very cool getting

1615
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: underway at the coliseum. Coliseum b I love, I mean,

1616
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I like all the venues. It goes without saying, you know,

1617
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: Newcastle is obviously fabulous, Hinkle is fantastic, but the Coliseum

1618
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: is cool just for the historic aspect of it from

1619
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: both the ABA standpoint, And then it goes without saying,

1620
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, you get the Beatles that I totally understand

1621
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 1: and get and appreciate and have been to several times.

1622
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: The Fishers Event Center, and I have thoroughly enjoyed every

1623
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: time I've been up there. I think everybody knows I

1624
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: really enjoy the volleyball and watching the Indian Night, the

1625
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: Indie Fuel It is a beautiful venue. There's not a

1626
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: bad seat in the house. I went to the Fuel

1627
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: season opener. I always have a good time when I

1628
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: go there, but I do miss hockey in the coliseum because,

1629
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: as my buddy Don Smith says, it's just a good

1630
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: old hockey ball and there is some truth to that.

1631
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 3: And it's right next to the Swinebarn too for the

1632
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 3: State Fair if you you want to be honest, all.

1633
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Right, Scott Agne is going to join his field House

1634
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: Files Pacers back in action Thursday night, taking on the Knicks.

1635
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: They are coming off of what is probably their most

1636
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: disappointing outing of the season against Washington. But are they

1637
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 1: starting to round into seeing some get back in the mix.

1638
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: We'll ask and explain next two o'clock hour underway in Indianapolis,

1639
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: for that matter, of the two o'clock hours underway everywhere

1640
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: in the Eastern time zone. My name is Jake Querry

1641
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison. By the way, Uh, have you been out yet,

1642
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 1: Kurt to the State fair Grounds?

1643
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:39,799
Speaker 4: Not yet?

1644
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 3: Okay, my understanding, my understanding.

1645
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 6: Uh.

1646
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 3: The and this is kind of fun.

1647
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: So if you're wondering, and a lot of people have

1648
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: asked where Eddie has been and Scott Agne is going

1649
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: to join his field House files just a second, but

1650
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: I mentioned this the other day. Eddie took time off

1651
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: about two weeks ago and he is in This is Fun.

1652
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: As we know from listening to this show, Eddie has

1653
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: an eight and five eighth hat size and that puts

1654
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: him in like the upper like two percentile or something

1655
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: like that. So he is a member of what's known

1656
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: as the United States And I kept saying association, and

1657
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I apologize, I completely apologize. It's the United States Big

1658
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Head Federation. I said association. It's federation. It's an organization.

1659
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who put this together, but a bunch

1660
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: of people with big craniums.

1661
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 3: So they.

1662
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 1: One of the hat companies, I don't know which one

1663
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 1: decided because there was an kind of an untapped market

1664
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: with the Apparently the Big Head Federation membership continues to grow,

1665
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: not unlike their heads, and so as a result of that,

1666
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: they there was an increased conversation of you know, inclusiveness

1667
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 1: for the hat industry, and they wanted to make sure

1668
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: because a couple of years ago it became the rage

1669
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: those big hats.

1670
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: That was like the big thing was the big hats.

1671
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: And there was some thought with the BHF that that

1672
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: was actually in mockery and that kind of a thing,

1673
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: And so that began conversation and dialogue with the hat manufacturers,

1674
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: and they were naive to the fact that the Big

1675
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Head Federation felt there were a lot of people that

1676
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: felt like they couldn't buy hats of their favorite team

1677
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: and their hat size. So they wanted to go ahead

1678
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: and start making those hats, and they wanted models, cranium

1679
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: models to come and do photo shoots. So Eddie took

1680
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off I don't know, or a

1681
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: day off a couple of weeks ago, I should say,

1682
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: to go up to Crown Point, Crown the keyword here

1683
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: and as part of the BHF photo shoot, and he

1684
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: was not selected. However, when they were doing the photo shoot,

1685
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: one of the things they had challenged with was the lighting.

1686
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: And Eddie, because of working in studios and in particular

1687
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: this one and helping out with the he lended him

1688
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: some of the lended them some of his expertise in

1689
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: lighting that he learned at the University of Indianapolis and

1690
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: radio and television work, and there happened to be a

1691
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: guy also fellow BHF member that is one of those

1692
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: that helps out with the winter lights at the fairgrounds.

1693
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 3: And so they.

1694
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Ran up short on time this year because of the

1695
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: unexpected cold weather and et cetera, and they needed someone

1696
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,879
Speaker 1: with lighting expertise to come and help with the elves

1697
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 1: lights that they have. If you go there, they ask

1698
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: for you to count the elves as you drive through

1699
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: the winter lights. Eddie is the designated elf lighter and

1700
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: so they have hired him. He took a couple of

1701
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: days off making big money and so not just the

1702
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: head big here paycheck as well. So he is doing that.

1703
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: So when you drive through the winter lights for the

1704
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: fair grounds when you see and it's a fun thing

1705
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: for the kids to do to count the elves as

1706
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: you drive through. When you're driving through to count the elves,

1707
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: keep in mind those were developed, built and everything else.

1708
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: And then can buy Eddie. He's out there doing that

1709
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: right now. So that's and and there are several of them.

1710
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: That's why it's taking them a couple of days. So

1711
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: therefore you get some pinch hit bullpen hours.

1712
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, hey, he's a jack of all trades.

1713
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: He is that jack.

1714
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: The key word joining us now in the Java House

1715
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. He is, of course with

1716
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: Fieldhouse files covering the Pacers Fever as well.

1717
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 3: Scott Agnes Joints. Just Scott, Happy holidays to you.

1718
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Happy holidays to you as well. Enjoyed that story. That

1719
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: was great.

1720
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 3: Did you know that about Eddie?

1721
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 2: No, that's why I was so enlightened. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1722
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: Enlightened the key word speaking of enlightened. He can do

1723
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: that as well, because and again if you go through

1724
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: look for the lighted elves, that's all that is entirely

1725
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: Eddie's work. Just so you know, entirely Eddie's work. Scott,

1726
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,640
Speaker 1: let's get to this, I thought, and I get it.

1727
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a team with the that there

1728
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: are two ways to look at down years. One is

1729
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: you just lose it. And maybe I'm biased because you know,

1730
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of love for the Pacers and

1731
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: I've been open about that, and it was such you know,

1732
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: it was so invigorating what happened last year during the

1733
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: finals run and now they are so down. But yet

1734
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: because there's plausible explanation for it, they've been able to

1735
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: get away with that because you're like, you know, what.

1736
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,440
Speaker 1: It's the injuries, it's the attrition, it's the new Faces,

1737
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I get it. But that game against Washington, that to

1738
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: me was the first time this year where they laid

1739
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 1: a complete goose egg that seemingly was inexplicable.

1740
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, I would agree with you there, Jake,

1741
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 3: for sure.

1742
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 9: And you could even go back how it started perhaps

1743
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 9: two nights earlier in Philadelphia, where Faces were on track,

1744
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 9: they were leading, and they scored five points over the

1745
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 9: final like eight twenty four outscored twenty to five. I

1746
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 9: thought that would leave a bad taste in their mouths.

1747
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 9: This is a team that is playing better. In Philadelphia,

1748
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 9: they saw Joelle Embiid have his best performance in two seasons.

1749
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 9: We no surprise, he always plays well against the Pacers.

1750
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 9: But then, yeah, everything that could go wrong against the Wizards,

1751
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 9: who were the only team worse than the Pacers right

1752
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 9: now record wise in the East did And the challenging part,

1753
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 9: as I thought you alluded to well, is before it

1754
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 9: was all understandable. This performance, know nothing about that was understandable.

1755
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 4: Rick Carlisle even say.

1756
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,440
Speaker 9: Post game it was unacceptable.

1757
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 4: We can't do this.

1758
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 9: Ever, and to the point we saw him use a

1759
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 9: timeout one minute into the game, and so you wonder, like,

1760
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 9: you know, Siakam's been their most consistent guy since he

1761
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 9: has got here.

1762
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 3: I can't say enough good things about him.

1763
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 9: But you know, Nimhart didn't look completely healthy, still dealing

1764
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 9: with an injury.

1765
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Though he was out there.

1766
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 9: He was questionable entering the game, missed his first eleven shots,

1767
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 9: very unlike him. Matherin.

1768
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,560
Speaker 3: There's been ups and downs.

1769
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 9: And really the only player that's jumped out to me

1770
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 9: was centered Jay Huff inside.

1771
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jay Huff. To me, Scott looks like a guy.

1772
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I've always said that in sport sometime sometimes how or

1773
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: where you were acquired factors into how you are evaluated.

1774
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: And in the case of Jay Huff, I think the

1775
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: timing of when he was acquired because of the Miles

1776
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: Turner departure, and so people thought, Okay, this is the

1777
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Miles Turner replacement. I think we can now safely say

1778
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 1: he is not that. However, whoever Miles Turner's long term

1779
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: replacement is going to be once they have everybody back

1780
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: in the stable, and I think that player is not

1781
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: currently on the roster. I think Jay Huff has now

1782
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: shown himself to be a situational, really nice eighteen to

1783
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: twenty one minute off the bench piece once they get

1784
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that starting five in there.

1785
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that assessment? I would.

1786
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1787
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 9: I didn't expect him at all to be come in

1788
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 9: and be the savior a starter, but I know it

1789
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 9: was kind of one of the first transactions after Miles

1790
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 9: Turner moved on, and it was at the center spot.

1791
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 9: But this is a guy, I think if you understand

1792
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 9: the circumstances here, this is a guy that got limited

1793
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 9: action with Memphis, but was very productive, and so the

1794
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 9: Pacers liked that. They liked his characteristics, they liked what

1795
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 9: the analytics told him, and that has proven to be true.

1796
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 9: He leads the league in total blocks, he leads the

1797
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 9: league in blocks per forty eight minutes, all those attributes.

1798
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 9: He's a good rebounder, can play the inside out game

1799
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 9: similar to Miles Turner, whereas Isaiah Jackson's a very different player,

1800
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 9: more of a rim runner, more of a guy that's

1801
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,480
Speaker 9: around the basket and operatings.

1802
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I.

1803
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 9: Think moving forward, I would not be surprised for j

1804
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 9: Huff to be your backup center. But still there's that

1805
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 9: big missing piece there at the starting role and for now,

1806
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 9: they're just kind of coppling it together and in d

1807
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 9: Carlisle's words, doing it by committee.

1808
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: By the way, Scott, this happened to us yesterday and

1809
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm just simply gonna point it out because it's the

1810
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: elephant the room and have fun with it.

1811
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what this is.

1812
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: It is strictly a beyond the control of anybody here,

1813
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: like weird software bug. I don't know if Eddie like

1814
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 1: tickred with something before it maybe when doing the light stuff.

1815
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: Your voice sounds like you're on helium in the way

1816
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: that like like you sound like accommodation here of Kermit

1817
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 1: the Frog and Patrick Mahomes.

1818
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 3: It's kind of fun.

1819
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever done the helium through a balloon and

1820
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: then talking type deal?

1821
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 9: No, I haven't, and I can promise you there's no

1822
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 9: Joey molnaro I precious and right now that's I know

1823
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 9: we missed by hotline Bud.

1824
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 3: This is a little bit different you are.

1825
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: You sound like you're on helium. So I'm gonna do

1826
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: the helium voice, Scott Agnes for one more question here,

1827
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: you're ready, h in terms of the health standpoint, and

1828
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Pacers Nixt coming up Thursday at the

1829
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 1: field House Health standpoint and the return of those that

1830
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 1: we have not seen in some time, not named Tyrese Haliburton.

1831
01:39:58,439 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 3: Where do we stand.

1832
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a little bit clarity on it today

1833
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 9: because the Pacers got the ten day hardshape exception. Therefore

1834
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 9: we know. I appreciate you getting through this. Ben Shepherd

1835
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 9: and aaron Ne Smith will be at least out the

1836
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 9: next two weeks, so we did get clarity on that front. Otherwise,

1837
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 9: Obi top and don't expect any update from him until February.

1838
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 3: By the way, can you just say for me, please

1839
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 3: follow the yellow bick road. Can you just say that, Jake,

1840
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 3: follow the yellow brick road?

1841
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 2: Scott.

1842
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It doesn't make any sense to you now.

1843
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: But if you go back and listen to the program later, Scott,

1844
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 1: you'll understand totally why I asked you to do that.

1845
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 9: You got it, man. Why not Indiana?

1846
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

1847
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: That's trademark. By the way, why not Indiana? I got

1848
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: all kinds of legal stuff going on with that. Just

1849
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: so you know, I've got now and I'm not saying

1850
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: the names of any businesses that is not my because

1851
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: it's gone beyond just in. It's outside Indiana, so it's

1852
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: not Indiana business. But the white not Indiana trademark. This

1853
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: trademark thing, man, it's legit. I got a guy, I

1854
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: got an attorney. This' chasing stuff down all over the place.

1855
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 9: Your timing was impeccable. When you go from the Pacers

1856
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 9: to the Fever and now certainly number one Indiana football.

1857
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 3: It doesn't get much better than that. That is indeed correct.

1858
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining his field House Fouse appreciated Scott. He's

1859
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and poor guest line. It

1860
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: is not Java House, by the way, that is speeding

1861
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: things up, although it does. The Java House Columbia Coffee

1862
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: give you a little pep in your steps, so to

1863
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: the Wrangler energy. And then if you are with that

1864
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: energy working out, you want to get yourself a refreshment.

1865
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Nothing better than the liquid science liquid hydration, both in

1866
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,879
Speaker 1: the aqua flavoring Aqua blue and then the orange flavoring.

1867
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: All of that available Java House dot com and the

1868
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor gas line. In talking about

1869
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: the NBA, I want to get back into something that

1870
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 1: I brought up the other day and see if anybody

1871
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: with me on this. I didn't go a lot of

1872
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: in depth on this, but I'm curious. I know a

1873
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of times on this show I spend time pontificating

1874
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: and then asking if anyone agrees with me or has

1875
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: noticed something. But sometimes I see things coming down the

1876
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: yellow brick road, and later it comes to fruition and

1877
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you just if you've been around it

1878
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 1: long enough, you can kind of see where things are headed.

1879
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Sports are cyclical, Teams are cyclical. Styles are cyclical. The

1880
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: NFL is a copycat league. In the NFL, you have

1881
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf, the Rams, then all of

1882
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody's going after trying to get like you know,

1883
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: in Space players and the copycat league of you know,

1884
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: one team does something and breaks through and breaks the mold,

1885
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: and now everybody's doing it. In the NBA with the Pacers,

1886
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: there is there have been repeated articles written about teams

1887
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 1: trying to play that fast pace that the Pacers played

1888
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: a year ago that literally set the league on its ear.

1889
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,719
Speaker 1: And at no point did you feel like the Pacers

1890
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 1: were out of any game because they could catch lightning

1891
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: in a bottle and they're down seven with the minutes ago,

1892
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: and then here they come roaring back and they finish

1893
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: on a nine to nothing run, whatever it might be.

1894
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: And you see other teams now that are trying to

1895
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: play in that pace, and that cycle of the way

1896
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:53,480
Speaker 1: that teams do things in a copycat driven league is apparent. Additionally,

1897
01:43:56,439 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: teams and leagues can be in vogue for a while

1898
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 1: and then they fall off. We saw it with, for example,

1899
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: cyclical right, Alabama had their cycle of dominance in college

1900
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 1: football where seemingly no one else was going to win

1901
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 1: a title ever again, and then it was Clemson's turn,

1902
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,600
Speaker 1: and Clemson had their era there and I loved it.

1903
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm a Clemson fan, so I loved it. It was

1904
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: fabulous and Clemson had their era, and then now it's

1905
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 1: probably right now we're living in the dynasty of probably

1906
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I know that Indiana is the number

1907
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: one seed, and maybe Indiana, maybe it's Indiana's turn. Maybe

1908
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State's was short lived. In it's Indiana's turn. In

1909
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: college basketball. An interesting thing happened this weekend, and I

1910
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 1: hinted at this a couple of times, but I'm now

1911
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: fully on board with presenting my hypothesis as part of

1912
01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: now my dissertation, my senior paper, I'll go back to

1913
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: the old era of Street and Smith's. If you know,

1914
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: you know Street and Smith's basketball magazine. You'd flip to

1915
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: the back and there would be the round oval headshot

1916
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: black and white of the twenty five Street and Smith's

1917
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: all Americans. I could still tell you from yesteryear some

1918
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: of those players, especially during my high school years, and

1919
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 1: it would always list at the bottom of it, like

1920
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: the three or four schools they were contemplating and considering

1921
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: and visiting. This was Rivals before Rivals, twenty four to seven,

1922
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 1: before twenty four to seven Sports, two four to seven sports,

1923
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: whatever you want.

1924
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 3: To call it, all those things.

1925
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Gerard Mustaf, power forward, East Coast, considering Maryland, which is

1926
01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: where he ended up. Matt steninga power forward, big guy,

1927
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: athletic dunk champion, considering Michigan State, which is where he

1928
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 1: ended up. Back in those days, the Street and Smiths,

1929
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: you would get it. It was that was the biblical

1930
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 1: guide of college basketball. It was the Gary Donalds Who's

1931
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 1: Your Basketball magazine of the collegiate game, And what a

1932
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 1: thrill to see your favorite team on the cover before

1933
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 1: they even did regional covers, Steve Alfriend, David Robinson on

1934
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: the cover together, Glenn Robinson on the cover, all of

1935
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 1: those things right, and college basketball back then, different era,

1936
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: I know, but college basketball was as probably more so

1937
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 1: relevant than the NBA. You had great personalities coaching college basketball.

1938
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 1: Al McGuire a little before my time, Ray Meyer little

1939
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: before my time, Bob Knight, Gene Katie, fun names like

1940
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: Digger Phelps, Guys like John Cheney that kind of looked

1941
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: like the owl that was the mascot, just like Gen

1942
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Katie looked like Purdue Pete, just like Mike Skozhsky oddly

1943
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: looks kind of like the Blue Devil. Great personalities that

1944
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: became as Jim Beheim, Curmudgeony, great defense, always knew his teams.

1945
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Every four or five years, we're gonna put together a

1946
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: run where nobody could discover and figure out that matchup zone.

1947
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 3: And college basketball had this long era that was.

1948
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 1: Truly the primary choice for basketball fans in the United States,

1949
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 1: and they had the blue bloods. UCLA was considered a

1950
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: blue blood because John Wooden had won ten national championships,

1951
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: even in a thirty year low. When Jim Herrick finally

1952
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: broke through and won another one for them with Ed

1953
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Obannon and Charles Oba, foreshadowing those names become important here

1954
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: in a second with this story. And UCLA when they

1955
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: won that eleventh, it's like they're right back.

1956
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 3: Is a blue blood? Well, they had been kind of

1957
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 3: irrelevant for like.

1958
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Fifteen or twenty years, but they weren't because John Wooden

1959
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 1: and UCLA and or you know, lou Al Sender and

1960
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Bill Walton and all of them to coach with it.

1961
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:23,759
Speaker 1: But your blue bloods Kansas, Danny Manning, Danning and the Miracles,

1962
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: Larry Brown the ultimate vagabond journeyman. But before that, fog

1963
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 1: Allen and Dean Smith had played there, and Jojo White

1964
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: and Alan Fieldhouse which looked kind of like Hinkle and

1965
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Michigan State, and Tom Izzo was this great, fiery competitor,

1966
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 1: and before him, jud Heathcote, fun personable names like jud Heathcote,

1967
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: and they had Magic Johnson, and you had your blue

1968
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: bloods of Louisville, Danny Crumb and Kentucky and North Carolina

1969
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: and Indiana goes without saying, and Purdue for that matter,

1970
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: and college basketball was this big thing. And Saturday night,

1971
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm watching that game. En Rup, and I know that

1972
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: Indiana basketball collegiately speaking is probably it's been chasing it

1973
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: for a while here, And the nineteen eighty seven banner

1974
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 1: feels now like it should be in the Smithsonian, not

1975
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 1: an assembly hall. And as I'm watching that Indiana Kentucky

1976
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: game in RUP, and I'm envisioning and I'm getting dancing

1977
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: in my head the sugar plum fairies of the ghost

1978
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: of Christmas Past, of seeing Brian Evans shot in Sports

1979
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 1: Illustrated in one of the great photos of all time,

1980
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: when you open up the middle of the magazine and

1981
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: they're like in the covering both sides of it the

1982
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: RCA Dome and Brian Evan's taking a jump shot from

1983
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 1: the baseline, and literally one side of the photo, the

1984
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: entire crowd, every single person's wearing a red sweater, and

1985
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 1: the other side of the crowd, the right side of

1986
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,600
Speaker 1: the photo, every single person's wearing blue because Kentucky and

1987
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: Indiana are playing in the dome. And I'm watching Rupp

1988
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 1: Arena with Mark Pope coaching and.

1989
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 3: It just seems flat.

1990
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: And I'm watching Indiana play with and I think Darren

1991
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 1: Dereese is a good coach, and I think they're going

1992
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 1: to be I think he's going to build a good

1993
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 1: program there. But I'm watching it and I'm thinking, this

1994
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: just feels different. And yes, Father Time's undefeated, I get that,

1995
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: but I'm not even talking about the draw away from

1996
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 1: the passion of the Indiana Kentucky rivalry, but rather the

1997
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: fact that I'm like, something feels missing at RUP. And

1998
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: so I asked people. I wasn't there. I was watching

1999
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: it on television, but I asked people, Hey, did you go.

2000
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 1: To the people that went, they said, yeah, it was weird.

2001
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 1: It just had more of a flat environment than it

2002
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,600
Speaker 1: used to. And part of that is probably because you

2003
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 1: have a generation of young people and students that didn't

2004
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: grow up with the Indiana Kentucky basketball rivalry, and you

2005
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 1: have especially on you know, in terms of home arena stuff.

2006
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the watch shot was the last time they

2007
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 1: played in the regular season. And in addition to that,

2008
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: you have Kentucky struggling and wondering if and this is

2009
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: one of the dangers and hiring one of your own

2010
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: as a head coach, because then it becomes a difficult

2011
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: get out of it. Ask North Carolina right now. Ask

2012
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 1: North Carolina when they had Matt Doherty. Why did Kansas

2013
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: go and get Bill Self, who'd been an Oklahoma State guy?

2014
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: Easier get out, I mean, and Bill Self's case, it's

2015
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: obviously worked. But college basketball now today, in twenty twenty five,

2016
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,759
Speaker 1: if Kansas or if if Kentucky feels a little flat

2017
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,800
Speaker 1: and Kansas has Bill Self that's in the twilight of

2018
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: his career, and they have a guy that's going to

2019
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: be a lottery pick that now there's discussion. He's done

2020
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: for the year, and North Carolina is kind of chasing

2021
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 1: it a little bit and figuring out what they have

2022
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 1: in Hubert Davis and Shozshowski's no longer at Duke, and

2023
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: who now are the breakthrough personalities in college basketball. Danny

2024
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: Hurley because he's a psycho, Bill Self because he's the

2025
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: elder statesman, Mick Cronin at UCLA because he's angry all

2026
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: the time and kind of looks like mister Magoo and

2027
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:48,679
Speaker 1: wears a suit, the Pat Kelsey at Louisville because he's

2028
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:54,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit off. But college basketball, to me,

2029
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: it feels like the fanaticism for it, the culture of

2030
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: it is dwindling before our very eyes. March madness will

2031
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 1: always be March Madness always. But back in the days

2032
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: of the Old Street and Smiths, in reading about high

2033
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: school all Americans and reading about college basketball all Americans.

2034
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:15,600
Speaker 3: You knew where every one of them was.

2035
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: You knew because guys stayed places for multiple years. But

2036
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: more so you knew because you knew where they went

2037
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: to high school, you knew where they grew up. You

2038
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: knew and you feared. Oh man, I've been hearing about

2039
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 1: this Rex Chapman in Kentucky and wait till he gets

2040
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 1: to UK. He's only a junior, He's got two years

2041
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 1: of high school left. I can't wait to watch him

2042
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: in the Indiana Kentucky All Star Series. And now players

2043
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 1: that I mentioned this before, they're going to La Loumier

2044
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 1: and I amg Academy in Bradenton Academy, and all of

2045
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: a sudden, people that are like, man, we've got this guy,

2046
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: Corlis Williamson, the big nasty from right here in the

2047
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: state of Arkansas. Wait till he's a razorback o pig

2048
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 1: Suey And instead now it's like, well, he's actually going

2049
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: to some academy over in Maine. And then after that,

2050
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he's going to go probably whatever

2051
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: school offers him the most in NIL money for his

2052
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: freshman year and then going onward. And yes, you have

2053
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: that in football as well, but in basketball, smaller roster,

2054
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:19,919
Speaker 1: no uniform, more intimate feeling of getting to know players

2055
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: back in yesteryear. But it all changed when the video

2056
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: games came out and a player from UCLA said, wait

2057
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 1: a minute, a guy my dorm floor was playing an

2058
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: EA Sports game with my name, image and likeness on

2059
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,840
Speaker 1: it and I didn't get anything. So I'm going to

2060
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 1: file a lawsuit and my name is Ed O'Bannon. And

2061
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: it took forever for that lawsuit to get settled, but

2062
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: once it did, the higher courts of this country said,

2063
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 1: you as they should have deserved to get paid for

2064
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 1: your name, image and likeness. You are your own trademark,

2065
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: You are your own Why not Indiana? And I understand,

2066
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: But it is more lucrative for basketball players and an

2067
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 1: NIL standpoint across the board for the reasons I'm talking about.

2068
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: Because their likeness you see all the time, and you

2069
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: would think that the name, image, likeness, payment and elevation

2070
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 1: would create bigger stars within college basketball, but in reality,

2071
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: what it's done is kind of diluted now to the

2072
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: point where, yes, it is easier to see the likeness

2073
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: of a player, associate with it, and then have a

2074
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 1: company want to brand itself with it, except for that

2075
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 1: it has now caused them to become mercenaries at even

2076
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 1: a younger age, with the vagabond nature of it.

2077
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it at all.

2078
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here screaming from the mountaintops like an

2079
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: old guy yelling at clouds saying.

2080
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 3: Oh, shouldn't do these kids spoiled brats. That's not it

2081
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 3: at all.

2082
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: I totally get I champion, I applaud and I have

2083
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percent there for them to go get as

2084
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 1: much more as they can in as short a time

2085
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: as possible. But I think the brand of college basketball,

2086
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: the excitement of college basketball, and the connection of college basketball,

2087
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: has dwindled from a year ago, two years ago, three

2088
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: years ago. And I don't we have We right here

2089
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: are amidst within our market, probably the number one program

2090
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 1: in America in terms of doing it morally, doing it ethically,

2091
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: doing it with teamwork and things you can be proud

2092
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: of in the form of Purdue. But I don't know

2093
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 1: how sexy Purdue basketball is in Las Vegas or Los Angeles,

2094
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: or Pine Bluff, Arkansas, or Wheeling, West Virginia, because it

2095
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 1: gets away from the glitz and glamour of name, image likeness,

2096
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 1: and that's what the game has become. And it feels

2097
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 1: like in doing so, it has deluded the popularity and

2098
01:56:56,920 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 1: the overall buzz about it, because at one time, I'm

2099
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 1: you could have turned on a game at any point

2100
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:03,160
Speaker 1: on Big Monday.

2101
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 3: You knew Big Monday, Tuesday.

2102
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 1: Night game, Big ten on ESPN, whatever it might be,

2103
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: And now it just feels like people are like man,

2104
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 1: between the fifteen networks they're on and the transfer portal

2105
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 1: and everything else, I just can't keep track of it.

2106
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: And it's a tiger by the tail that wake me

2107
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 1: up when Selection Sunday comes around. And feel free to

2108
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong, Folks, feel free to tell me

2109
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. It could text me at three one seven

2110
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 1: five two three ninety two eighty eight. You can text

2111
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 1: me at three one seven two three nine ten seventy

2112
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: either way, because I might be wrong, but it certainly

2113
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: feels that way. And seeing that in up on Saturday

2114
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: night only reinforced to me something that I worry about that.

2115
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: In a couple of years, we're gonna look back and go, yeah,

2116
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 1: that is in the way it used to be. Category

2117
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 1: back to the Colts and a bit of a crossroads

2118
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: for them is they get set for a Monday Night

2119
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 1: showdown next Colts Niner.

2120
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 3: Lucas Oil Stadium Monday Night or yeah Niners. That's right.

2121
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 1: We'll get more into that in just second. Let me

2122
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: ask you this, Kurt Gerald's when you were a kid

2123
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 1: growing up, or for that matter, right now, we'll begin

2124
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty five There's a reason I ask

2125
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 1: it as it relates to the Colts. But right now,

2126
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, the item that you most want

2127
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 1: Santa to bring to you is what.

2128
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 4: Stuff for my PC at home? Like a good processor

2129
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 4: in RAM which don't look up the price on those,

2130
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 4: but that's what I would love Santa to bring me.

2131
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you were the second part of it

2132
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: would be this, when you look at Christmas past in

2133
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 1: your childhood, what is the one thing that you can

2134
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 1: most remember and what year would it have been being

2135
01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 1: the thing that you were the most adamant that you

2136
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 1: wanted for career that you were just like, oh my gosh,

2137
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 1: you just wanted more than life itself.

2138
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 4: It was always video game related. It was either a

2139
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 4: new game or like new console. I thought you were

2140
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 4: going a different way with that because every year for

2141
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 4: Christmas I always get until I turned twenty one was

2142
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 4: a six pack of root beer, and then when I

2143
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 4: turned twenty one it was I think we talked about

2144
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 4: this was the what is that root beer? Alcoholic drink?

2145
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Not your father was Yeah, not your father's root beer,

2146
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 1: not your grandfather's whatever.

2147
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 2: It's called that.

2148
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 4: So I've been getting that now ever since I turned

2149
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 4: it out.

2150
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 1: Now, the only problem with that is this is we've

2151
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 1: talked about and that that stuff is good, don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, but.

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01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,879
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't take law. It's like eggnog.

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01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Like I love eggnog every year this time of year,

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01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I could go for a

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01:59:43,160 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 1: glass of eggnog and then literally halfway through the glass,

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01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 1: You're just like, ugh, it's like you know what I mean, Like,

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01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: did I just drink a carton of eggs? And the

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01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: not your father's root beer is similar. It is fabulous

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01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:01,120
Speaker 1: stuff and it tastes great, but the sugar content and

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Speaker 1: the thickness of it piles up quickly, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you only get through like two and you're like, okay,

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02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 4: I think I'm done.

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02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Now, So you when you were a kid, when did

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Speaker 1: the root beer tradition begin? When I was like eight

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02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 1: and it was your who began the tradition, my stepmother, okay,

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Speaker 1: and it was what an W barks every year?

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02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 4: Barks is the best? We stuck with barks? Or the

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02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 4: IBC glass ones?

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Speaker 3: How about is it? Is it called sprecker? Is that

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Speaker 3: what it's called?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's the one with like the bird on it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've gotten that one before two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's supposed to be like high grade root beer stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's very good.

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Speaker 4: The best root beer is a triple X root beer, though,

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Speaker 4: I just want to put that out there.

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Speaker 3: Is it really?

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02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 4: In my opinion?

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02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 3: So you're a root beer ficionado, I think, so, okay,

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Speaker 3: A and W. You don't like.

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Speaker 4: It's like lower tier, it's like a ce tier root beer.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know there's root beer snobs.

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02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 4: Hey, you got me.

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02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,520
Speaker 1: So you are root beer snob root beer ficionado. I

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Speaker 1: am self proclaimed, and you're going that you said ib

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02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 1: C the best one.

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Speaker 4: Triple X up.

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02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 3: So triple X is the upper tier.

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02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 1: And then and then you said right below that is

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Speaker 1: you said barks you like, I put bars e tier okay,

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Speaker 1: and then ib.

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Speaker 4: C the one with the crow I forget what you

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Speaker 4: call it, breaprecker that would be above ib C okay,

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02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 4: then ib C, then mug okay, and then a A yeah,

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Speaker 4: the other one, that one we don't care about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough now, and and then now it's the

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Speaker 1: not your father's root beer.

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Speaker 4: Uh after two? Yes, okay, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: So I mentioned this once before, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if this is just a query family thing or a

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02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 1: lot of people do this. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: we would go on Christmas Eve to my grandparents house,

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02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: and then when we would come back from my grandparents house,

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02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 1: we would there we would open one gift and it

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02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 1: was always pajamas.

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Speaker 3: That's now. Is that a common family tradition for people?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:08,440
Speaker 2: Huh?

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02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 1: And as you get older, obviously, then it becomes like

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02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,080
Speaker 1: basketball shorts and a T shirt or whatever, but like

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02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 1: sleeping gear of some sort.

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02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:14,640
Speaker 2: Nope.

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02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 4: On my mom's side of the family, Christmas Eve still pajamas.

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02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 4: She begs me to come over and pajamas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's another query family tradition. And I don't know

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02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 1: if this is just something my mom created or if

2219
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of families do this. Okay, in my childhood

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02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 1: and it still extends into today, But in my childhood,

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02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 1: you got gifts from the family pet. Now, my mom

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02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 1: told me when I was really little that there was

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02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:47,880
Speaker 1: a store where dogs and cats could shop, and that

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Speaker 1: at night, I mean, this is when I was really little,

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02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 1: and then at night our family dog and catul would

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02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:57,480
Speaker 1: go they snuck out, and they would go and shop.

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Speaker 3: And I truly believe, I still believe it actually a

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02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 3: small part of me.

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Speaker 1: But but to this day, and I want people to

2230
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:09,160
Speaker 1: tell me if this is a tradition or a custom

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02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: that they do to this day. If you get under

2232
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 1: the tree a Christmas gift that is from the family pet,

2233
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 1: then it socks or underwear always that's all they buy.

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02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 4: I've never heard of that, okay, but I love it.

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02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:25,680
Speaker 3: That might be a question. You can use it when

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02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 3: you you know, so.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you get and when we do the

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02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: gifts you know to Jake from Tom, and Tom is

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02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,320
Speaker 1: the cat, right, and so they throw it over and

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02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,520
Speaker 1: then you open it and everybody goes oh that Tom

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02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: got the unmentionables, but it usually is socks or underwear,

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02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:41,960
Speaker 1: one of the two.

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Speaker 2: I okay.

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02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 1: So for me in my childhood, the two things that

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Speaker 1: I remember wanting more than any Oddly enough, when I

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02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:55,600
Speaker 1: was really little, and this is very strange, probably, but

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02:03:55,640 --> 02:03:59,480
Speaker 1: there was I wanted so badly. I was probably like

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02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 1: five or six. I wanted to literally a wooden nutcracker,

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02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,560
Speaker 1: like a Christmas nutcracker. I don't know why I thought

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Speaker 1: those were so cool, but I wanted one. I remember

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02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 1: one year wanting the two other items that I remember

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02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 1: wanting sports related. I so badly wanted the Super Bowl

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02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: Shuffle on vinyl because that came out like two weeks

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02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 1: before Christmas and it was all the rage and I

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02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 1: ended up getting that. I also wanted when I was

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Speaker 1: in the eighth grade a copy of A Season on

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Speaker 1: the Brink which had come out. Actually that yeah, that

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02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:33,160
Speaker 1: came out when I was in the eighth grade. It

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02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:34,760
Speaker 1: was written about the year that I was in the

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Speaker 1: seventh grade, and it came out when I was in

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02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 1: the eighth grade. And I got that as well, and

2262
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,480
Speaker 1: Feinstein signed it, which was super cool. But for the

2263
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Colts right now, the Christmas wish lifts the Christmas wish list.

2264
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:50,680
Speaker 1: The thing that they would want more than anything else,

2265
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 1: one would assume.

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02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,360
Speaker 3: Is good quarterback play.

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02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,160
Speaker 1: And I go back to what I asked at the

2268
02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:04,480
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, and that is, if good quarterback

2269
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 1: play is what is going to carry you into the offseason,

2270
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:14,480
Speaker 1: there is a part of me that's like, but for what. However,

2271
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:18,120
Speaker 1: I also look at you might as well try to

2272
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 1: salvage something out of this season that has gotten away

2273
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 1: from you somewhat at no fault of their own because

2274
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: of injury, but the recovery from it is somewhat fault

2275
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 1: of their own, because you might as well go for

2276
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,960
Speaker 1: it this year, because if you weren't going to get

2277
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 1: in the postseason, you would say, hey, you know what,

2278
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 1: you may as well if you're not going to get

2279
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 1: in the postseason, see what you can get in terms

2280
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:42,320
Speaker 1: of a draft pick.

2281
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,080
Speaker 3: And then you just consistently.

2282
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,960
Speaker 1: Remember that lump in the coal of the fact that

2283
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 1: their draft pick this year and next their two first

2284
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 1: rounders are both on their way to New York, and

2285
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: so you're just kind of stuck. It is hard to

2286
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 1: grasp and swallow and accept the reality of the situation,

2287
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 1: which is that the Indianapolis Colts in twenty twenty five

2288
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 1: started seven to one and now all of a sudden,

2289
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: losers of five and of five of six games, and

2290
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: one of those wins they had in there, by the way,

2291
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 1: and that keep in mind they were kind of gifted

2292
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 1: to win in Denver, and the Atlanta game really easily

2293
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 1: could have gone the other way. But either way, you

2294
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:38,480
Speaker 1: get optimistic over the fact that they started out seven

2295
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:40,440
Speaker 1: to one, But then you look at it and you go, Okay,

2296
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:45,040
Speaker 1: now you've got serious question at quarterback because of the

2297
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:48,160
Speaker 1: injury to Daniel Jones. And even if he comes back

2298
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:50,920
Speaker 1: and that's your guy, how long does it take to

2299
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 1: get that in the mix? And if you get him

2300
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 1: back in the mix, how long does it take for

2301
02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:57,520
Speaker 1: him to get back to the seven and one version

2302
02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones? And then at that point you got

2303
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner, older, Jonathan Taylor, older, Quentin Nelson, older, Shavarius

2304
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:07,880
Speaker 1: Ward for that matter, older, cam bind them older, and

2305
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,080
Speaker 1: you're getting into the placement of okay, they got to

2306
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:15,960
Speaker 1: go now or never, but they don't necessarily have the

2307
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:22,080
Speaker 1: ability to accentuate those pieces in their twilight and they

2308
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 1: are headed with a lot of these guys towards the twilight,

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02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 1: and you forget that. So it almost feels like the

2310
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,480
Speaker 1: Christmas wish list for the Colts should not only be

2311
02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 1: an answer of what it's going to be at quarterback,

2312
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 1: but also some sort of a fountain of youth for

2313
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:42,800
Speaker 1: their key players, because it is starting to add up

2314
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: to us much faster than we anticipated.

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Speaker 3: Bark's the best one. You said, triple X, triple X.

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02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:56,240
Speaker 1: Of those you can just go. Can you buy triple

2317
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: X at a grocery store? No, So you got to

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02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 1: go to Lafayette get the true yo's.

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02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:03,040
Speaker 4: Gas stations have them.

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Speaker 1: You have scouted this out on top of it. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's a root beer ficionado right there.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: JMV is on remote. He's on the road. We'll find

2324
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Speaker 1: out where he is and what he's got lined up.

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Speaker 1: Will do it next as part of the Crossover brought

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