1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Live from val Hart, Blind and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. So now we're naming names the 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Epstein files. Pam Bondi is saying, Okay, you want everything. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Here is everything, and rightfully, so this. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Is all we've been asking for. 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: We want to know who is in the Epstein files, 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and we want to know the follow up, when do 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: they get charged? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: be here, good to be with you. 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: It is. They call it President's Day, but I don't 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: buy into any of that stuff. 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Lincoln, Washington, Reagan, I'll celebrate them, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama. 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: I'm not celebrating a damn thing about either one of 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: those guys, just not doing it. Three hundred politicians and 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: prominent people who were named in the Epstein files. Those 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: have now been released, the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: and Bondi saying that the priblic material is still being 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: withheld outlining the list of government officials and politically exposed individuals. 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: Who appeared in the files. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: This was a letter to heads of House and Senate 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee the Department release quote all records, documents, communications, 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: and investigative materials in the possession of the Department that 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: relate to any of the nine different categories. The names 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: include President Trump, Baraka, Michelle Obama, Bill Gates of Microsoft Fame, 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, Robert de Niro, and Bill and Hillary Clinton. 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: None of this is surprising. Why would anybody think so? 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Also included Prince Harry Woody, Allen Kamala, Harris, Mark Zuckerberg, 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, Elon Musk, Pope, John Paul the Second, Nancy Pelosi, 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Jakim Jeffries, Bono Beyonce, and others. By the way, Hakim Jeffries, 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: you can argue, well, listen, there are people in the 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Fstein files. 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: They didn't necessarily do anything wrong. And I agree with this. 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: I believe this. 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: However, in the case of Akiem Jeffries, he knew what 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Epstein was all about, and his team was asking for money. 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Hey you should be part of this dinner. Hey should 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: you should give a donation? 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: Hey how did we reach out to you? Hey we 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: can get the Boss on the phone with you. You 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: guys can talk. 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: And Republicans aren't doing anything with it. Republicans aren't doing 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: anything with it. And this all goes back you heard 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: me have this conversation. This goes back to a story 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: I did about Carl Higbee over there at Newsmax and 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: how Carl Higby was saying that Bondi testifying in front 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: of the House Judiciary Committee. 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what she's doing, but release the files. 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Someone has to get charged. Release the files. If you're not, 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: someone's gonna get fired. 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And he was right, and he had people going after 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: him about it, and I was pointing out that he 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: was right. And the line that I used in the 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: show was a Pambondi, you don't have to protect real 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump from anything, right, I used to other Twitter 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: thing there, Right, his Twitter name is real Donald Trump. 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: So I really said, Trump, you don't have to protect 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Trump from anything. To stop making it look like you are. 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: That's correct. Why in the world would you ever act 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: like you're shielding Trump from anything. You don't have to. 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: And for the record, no one wants you to. No 61 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: one wants you to. 62 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: Now. 63 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: I think Pam Bondi has been terrible and I do 64 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: think she should be replaced. And I will tell you 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: that I have people in my ear and a couple 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: of them have said themes of the same thing, which 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: is I don't know what Trump's doing, but he's acting 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: like a guy who really wants it all to fall 69 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: apart in the second half of this term. Is he 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: acting like a guy who wants to win the midterms? 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Is he engaged in a way? Is the administration engaged 72 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: in a way that's moving a nonsense off the plate 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: so they can focus on their issues that matter most. 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: What are they doing? Why are they acting in. 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: This weird and peculiar way. And you say to me, well, 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: they're hiding something. I don't actually believe that's true. I 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: don't think there's anything to hide. I think that there 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: are people on the left and on the right who 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: were involved with Jeffrey Epstein, and the only question is 80 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: were they involved in the exploitation of children? Those are 81 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: the people I want arrested. Do I think Trump was 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: not in any way, shape or form zero. I don't 83 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: think Howard Lutton, the Commerce secretary was. But I think 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: if you told people I had nothing to do with them, 85 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: and then you stop by the island for lunch with 86 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: your family, I don't think you get to be Treasury secretary. 87 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you did anything illegal. I don't believe 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: he did. But you still thought there was some money 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: to be made. You still thought something else. Whatever it 90 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: is you were thinking, you're more than entitled to think it. 91 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: You just can't be in government. 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: Stacy Plaskett, the delegate from jan Islands Democrat, was all 93 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: up in his stuff, trying to get money, trying to 94 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: get advice, trying. 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: To get thoughts gone. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: An equal opportunity, kitten, these people have to go. They're 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: not deserving of your love or your respect or anything else. 98 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: They're awful. 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: They're just the absolute worst. 100 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: You knew what he was all about, and you're stuck 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: with him. 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: There was a whole thing about I think Joe Rogan 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: was discussing that, Yeah, he wanted to meet me. 104 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: The guy wanted to meet me at Epstein wanted to 105 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: meet me. 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: And I did a little search on him and I 107 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: was like, Ah, no, way was I gonna meet with him. 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: There comes a moment where you're like, yeah, I'm not 109 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: gonna do that. You never had that moment. I once got. 110 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: Invited to speak at an event when I was living 111 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. It was an end of the FED event. 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm a guy who certainly believes 113 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: in auditing the FED, and I'm a guy who believes 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: that we should be asking ourselves whether or not the 115 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve really provides any value. And I got there 116 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: and I saw the people who were going to be 117 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: there and some of the people speaking, and I said, 118 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this, and I got my car and 119 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I left left. It's we might agree on something, but 120 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: I also knew all the other things that they were 121 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: engaged with. I'm like, no way, I only have one reputation. 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put myself in any level of. 123 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: Insanity like that. What was this? This was nobody wouldn't 124 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: even know. If I didn't tell you about it, you 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't have even known that it occurred. 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: This isn't something that was you know, Jeffrey Epstein high profile, 127 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I kin't. Sometimes I look at this up and say, man, 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: these people really really do act like there's that they've 129 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: there's no consequence for the action. You know, when we 130 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: talked about there are two Americas that, yeah, there really are. 131 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: There are these people who adds with impunity and they 132 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: don't think anything bad's gonna happen to them. The money, 133 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: the power, whatever it is, and you know, that's not 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: the same for you. 135 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: John Edwards used to talk about two Americas. 136 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: Remember that was the guy running as John Kerry's running 137 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: mate for vice president. So this was two thousand and 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: four and John Edwards had the wife dying of cancer 139 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and he just sounded like she was a great political 140 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: prop Oh dear lord. That career ended quickly, quickly, but 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: like he would talk about there are two Americas. I say, yes, 142 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: there's this group of people. They make ilhan O Mars 143 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: worth thirty million dollars from a winery that never existed 144 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: or did exist and now doesn't exist. 145 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: And you've got Aana. 146 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: Presley whose husband quits his job before she takes office 147 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: to open a consulting firm, and now they've got eight 148 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of property around Massachusetts and on Martha's vineyard. 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: Come on, come on. 150 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: By the way, everybody I know, to almost a person, 151 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: thinks I should run for Congress. 152 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: Because they're like, look at the deals you can get. 153 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not why I would want to run. 154 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: If you go to Congress and you come out not 155 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: being worth five ten million dollars, you're a schmuck, right, 156 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: That's what everybody would say that guy served in Congress 157 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: for ten years, didn't even make any money. 158 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: What an idiot. 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: That's why you're going so you can finagle the system. 160 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: So you could set up consulting firms where people pay 161 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: for access, because. 162 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: That's what it is. 163 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Remember during the Clinton years, where you could you can 164 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: make a donation, you got to sleep in the Lincoln 165 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: bedroom was. 166 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: Paying for access. Of course, it was ten thousand percent. 167 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: It was everybody knew that it was. 168 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: It was such an open secret you were paying for access. 169 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: We see you, kitten, we see you. Boo boo. Good lord. 170 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of people wanted access to Jeffrey Epstein, right, 171 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people wanted access to Jeffrey Epstein. That 172 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: is not the part that sends you to jail. That 173 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: could be the part that means you lose the job 174 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: or that you're creepy. We've seen people lose their jobs, 175 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and I won't be surprised if Howard Lutnik loses his gig. 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: I could well see it. The only way you go 177 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: to jail is if you were involved with the children. 178 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: That those people should go to jail. And I don't 179 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: want to protect those people. So what if I favored 180 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: the release of the files. I have favored the covering 181 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: of of victims' names, the redacting of victims' names. That's 182 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: why I opposed the discharge petition because I didn't think 183 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: he gave enough protections. 184 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: That's it. But I favor the release of the files. 185 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm on record. Everybody knows this by now. 186 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: This, of course, is the Epstein File Transparency Act, which 187 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: these things are supposed to be released by December nineteenth, 188 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: and they're only coming out now, which brings us back 189 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: to why not release them? You got order to Congress 190 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: has just said release these things. 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. I don't want to hear the rest. 192 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: Why are you acting like you have to protect President Trump. 193 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: You don't have to protect a man from anything. 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: The man did nothing wrong. 195 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, if he did, cuff him and 196 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: throw him in jail. Just so we're clear, anybody involved 197 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: in abusing children sexually or any other way cuffed and jailed. 198 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: Don't care who they are. I don't want to hear 199 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: some yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no no. And 200 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 2: that was my point. 201 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: So this release is good. This release is good and 202 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: important and valuable. Now is it gonna tell us anything 203 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: else that I don't know. I don't have the answer 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: of whether or not. 205 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: It's going to tell us anything else. 206 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: What I want to know is if there is information, 207 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: what happens next? Because if I can get through all 208 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,359 Speaker 1: the Epstein files, like you get through all the Epstein files. 209 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: And there are no arrests, well, then aren't I right 210 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: about two Americas? And I don't think that serves the 211 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: country well. 212 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: If the rich, the celebrity, the powerful can get away 213 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: with it, and if you sneeze wrong, you get arrested. 214 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: I don't think that creates a good society. I think that. 215 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Creates a lot of danger for the future. I'm Tony 216 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: Katz and this is Tony Kats Today. Find everything at 217 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Tony kats dot com.