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Speaker 1: Brian Nuberg joins us.

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Speaker 2: Now, excuse me, Java House peelpor guest line perdue last

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Speaker 2: night short in against Ucla. Brian, I'm going to ask

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Speaker 2: before we get to the real topic of discussion, which

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Speaker 2: is you and I have the same interest when driving

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Speaker 2: around Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk basketball first.

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Speaker 2: Mick Cronin last night and we'll play this coming up

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Speaker 2: was very open about his displeasure for the travel for UCLA.

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Speaker 2: They kind of had to know what they were signing

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Speaker 2: up for. How much of last night's close for UCLA

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Speaker 2: against Purdue, if you were going to chalk it up

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Speaker 2: to anything, was fatigue or travel anyway a factor for

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Speaker 2: Purdue and not being able to close last night?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Purdue plays a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're built to close. From a basketball perspective,

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Speaker 3: I think you have to give you See a lot

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Speaker 3: of credit for closing out the way they were. You know,

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Speaker 3: they had reason to be desperate, and I think they

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Speaker 3: kind of played like it, and you know, pretty turned

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Speaker 3: the ball over at the wrong time, And that's sort

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Speaker 3: of the common denominator when Purdue loses games the last

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Speaker 3: five years or so, it's almost always heavily involved. It's

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Speaker 3: heavily involved turnovers, turnovers that come in bunches, you know,

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Speaker 3: things like that. And they turned the ball over twice

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Speaker 3: in the last two minutes after they're up six. You know,

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Speaker 3: Braden Smith would tell you, and this adds up that

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Speaker 3: his arm got hit on the one that he picked

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Speaker 3: sixth to Trey Coffin ran. But that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 3: I had anything to do with it. I think it

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Speaker 3: was UCLA and it was a seventeen percent three point

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Speaker 3: shooter making a big three in a big moment.

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Speaker 1: I thought last night, And.

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Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm wrong here, I thought down the

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Speaker 2: stretch that and I really for that game, open disclaimer,

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Speaker 2: only really saw down the stretch. I thought Purdue defensively

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Speaker 2: struggled is maybe the wrong word, but they allowed UCLA's

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Speaker 2: guards to get into operating area for them, and typically

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Speaker 2: Purdue clamps down. Like if you look at what they

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Speaker 2: did against USC, they were able to make plays against

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Speaker 2: USC down the stretch that they did not do against Ucla.

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Speaker 2: How much of UCLA last night, who themselves were coming

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Speaker 2: off kind of an arduous travel schedule, how much of

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Speaker 2: it was simply UCLA schematically might have found something that

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Speaker 2: worked against Purdue, and is there any concern that others

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Speaker 2: could copycat, if you will, anything that may have worked.

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Speaker 3: Well produce big. They've got big centers and that they

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Speaker 3: have a big power forward. Everybody's going to Everybody tries

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Speaker 3: to go after that. Everybody tries to put them in

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Speaker 3: pick and pop stuff. Everybody tries to iso their big guys,

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Speaker 3: and not everybody has Donovan Dent. So they can try

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Speaker 3: to They can try to replicate it all they want,

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Speaker 3: but you know, pulling it off is another thing. Donovan

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Speaker 3: Dent was a superhero last night. Obviously, Tyler Billodeau can

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Speaker 3: really stretch the floor and make threes, and that's a

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Speaker 3: pretty tough combination of guard when you're big. It's a

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Speaker 3: pretty tough combination of guard period. So people can try

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Speaker 3: to replicate it, and people will try to replicate it,

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Speaker 3: but whether or not they can pull it off with

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Speaker 3: their personnel is kind of the other question.

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Speaker 4: You know, Oscar.

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Speaker 3: Cluff's kind of putting a tough spot there because he

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Speaker 3: has to hedge Donovan Dent to prevent him fro getting

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Speaker 3: the lane, but then he's got to recover to Tyler

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Speaker 3: Billadeau that's a really big ask for a six foot eleven,

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pound guy. I know people, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure people are wondering why Jack Benner wasn't on the

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Speaker 3: floor to switch screens things like that. Matt Painter's gonna

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Speaker 3: ride with his seniors. That means having Tray Cooff and

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Speaker 3: Round on the floor at the end of the game

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Speaker 3: for rebounding and experience. And had you had Benner out there,

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Speaker 3: that would mean Coffin Ran comes out. You have Benner

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Speaker 3: on Tyler Billadeaux and then Oscar cluffs at the rim.

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Speaker 3: Every decision you make in a game that close is

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Speaker 3: the wrong one. So yeah, it's a situation where everybody's

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Speaker 3: trying to attack produce size on the perimeter. Everybody will

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Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of whether or not they

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Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy, Brian, because when you when you

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Speaker 2: think about Purdue, you know, you look at it and

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Speaker 2: this is the sign of a great team. Anytime they lose,

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Speaker 2: you think, what in the world happened? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's the you know, is there a problem, is there turmoil?

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Speaker 2: You have seen this group and the maturation of this group.

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Speaker 2: How much I guess mental resolve did they have? Not

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Speaker 2: that going out and losing the game to the UCLA

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Speaker 2: is some huge deal, right, But are they the ted

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Speaker 2: Lasso goldfish? Is this a group that says, you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we dropped one, but we got Illinois coming up.

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Speaker 2: We got to turn it around, and then we got

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Speaker 2: Indiana at Indiana, which is a rivalry game.

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Speaker 1: No problem.

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Speaker 2: Back on the focus, what has been your observation of

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Speaker 2: this group of handling the occasional adversity.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what a ted Lasso goldfish is,

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Speaker 1: Man, have you not seen ted Lasso?

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Speaker 3: No, I have not.

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Speaker 2: Ted Lasso says you got to be a goldfish, meaning

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Speaker 2: that you can't have a memory.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I think Purdue has memories, and I think

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Speaker 3: they have been through every experience imaginable as a group

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Speaker 3: together and they have almost always responded really well, You've

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Speaker 3: never seen one loss become two losses become three losses.

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Speaker 3: They've always been really professional about these things. They've always

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Speaker 3: been really steady and really confident, and their messaging after

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a situation where you don't panic.

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Speaker 3: I think Purdue is fine. I'm sure they think they're fine.

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Speaker 3: They just had a bad last two minutes of the

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Speaker 3: game on the road in a league where you have

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Speaker 3: to bake in road losses. You don't know when they're

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Speaker 3: but you know they're going to come. And I think

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, when Purdue loss at Northwestern

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Speaker 3: It seemed like the end of the world.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think when the expectations are high around your program,

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Speaker 3: the social media discussion gets a little overheated at times,

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Speaker 3: and there's no way that doesn't get the players.

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Speaker 4: It's just kind of the world we live in.

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Speaker 3: But when the sky's falling, you know, I think that

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Speaker 3: Purdue generally kind of handles that really well. And that

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Speaker 3: Northwestern game was nothing, and that team went on to

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Speaker 3: be as professional and consistent and unimpressed with itself as

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Speaker 3: going on to the Final four and won the league

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Speaker 3: by a mile. And I'm not necessarily saying that's guaranteed

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Speaker 3: to happen for this team. But I don't think one

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Speaker 3: Here At the end of the day, it was a

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Speaker 3: bad two minutes, and I don't think it's any cause

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Speaker 3: gonna be alarm among people who are alarmists, but among

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Speaker 3: any sort of panic whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Brian.

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Speaker 2: Someone passed this along to me, and I'm hoping that

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Speaker 2: I'm reading this correctly. Okay, someone passed along to me

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Speaker 2: that you had posted in a message board that while

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles you did drive past the spot of

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Speaker 2: the infamous OJ crime scene, allegedly because you are quote

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Speaker 2: a demented person who's into places of infamy. Was that

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Speaker 2: your post? Yes, outstanding? Okay, So I'd like to know

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Speaker 2: where else you've been in LA, because you're talking to Basically,

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Speaker 2: I could run my own tour service of infamous places

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Speaker 2: that where terrible things have happened, but yet I have

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Speaker 2: a fascination with them across the United States, and you

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Speaker 2: and I could do a five hour podcast on this perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So on my first of my two days off,

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Speaker 3: I let's see. I started at Sofi Stadium, tried to

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Speaker 3: Couldn't get in there. It's gated up. Drove through Chinatown

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to refresh my memory and it wasn't

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Speaker 4: Just kind of drove around all.

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Speaker 3: Day, and then yesterday I wanted to drive by the

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Speaker 3: recording studio where Sublime recorded their self titled album many

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Speaker 1: So so far a fruitful trip.

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Speaker 3: Kind of kept moving, and then when I got up

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Speaker 4: So I just kind of drove around.

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Speaker 3: UCLA for a while. That was pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So did you go by the as much ground

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Speaker 2: Did you go by OJ's house which is no longer there,

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Speaker 3: I went by the I went by the crime scene

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now where there are people like gawking around

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Speaker 2: because the owner now has put up like a mini wall.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't you know? I was driving by there was traffic.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't really stop and gawk, and I would have

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Speaker 2: So I no, you got to do the quarry stopping

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Speaker 2: gok to it. As a matter of fact, that's the

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Speaker 2: name of my tour, the stopping Gawk. I mean I

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Speaker 2: Manson scenes. We can do I mean, I could do

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Speaker 2: the whole thing. If you're into, oh the Mansons, I

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Speaker 2: forgot about that. I mean you were right, listen, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not by any means calling you a

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Speaker 2: stop in Gawk Novice. But if you were at the

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Speaker 2: the Tate residence was, where the Manson murders took place,

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Speaker 2: and you were around the corner from the Lobbyanca residence.

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Speaker 2: But you know again, I don't want to And it's

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Speaker 2: not like I found out where spawn ranch was and

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Speaker 2: of I mean, that would be totally demented.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to have to change his slight and

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Speaker 3: get my own far back.

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, sough to here back to the Les macabb

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Speaker 2: and I'm assuming that you have been there before. But

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Speaker 2: UCLA's campus is unbelievable. Now poly Pavilion, to me was

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Speaker 2: a little underwhelming, but the campus itself, literally every blade

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Speaker 2: of grass is perfectly green. It is like totally uniform,

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Speaker 2: and you ask yourself why anybody would go anywhere else

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Speaker 2: But what say Brian.

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Speaker 3: Nubert, unbelievable campus and the people who go there must

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Speaker 3: have the strongest like thigh muscles. Yes, ever, because everywhere

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're expecting Hincklefield House in correct, that you

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Speaker 2: That's exactly correct, all right, Brian, enjoy looking at the

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Speaker 2: us from the Bloomington Herald Times, and Mike, let's get

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Speaker 2: What is upcoming now in terms of the celebrations.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm curious of this, and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Well, the weather's going to be brutal, so that's the

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Speaker 2: It's it's hard, you know, there's really kind of nowhere

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Speaker 5: What I would assume they were. They were still formulating

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go back to this this particular and

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Speaker 1: Mike, do we know, and maybe it would be speculative.

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Speaker 2: Do we have an estimate? Obviously it was worth it.

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Speaker 5: came down on football, and then on top of it,

435
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Speaker 5: you know Zach had reported kind of you know, you

436
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Speaker 5: think around twenty five million was last year. But also

437
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Speaker 5: you got to remember the rules in which last year's

438
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 5: roster were put together, especially the guys that were locked

439
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 5: in the deals sort of in the winter, was different

440
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Speaker 5: because they could be they were solely dedicated or more,

441
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Speaker 5: and it could be structured differently because it wasn't part

442
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Speaker 5: of the clearinghouse and nil deals, So it was different.

443
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Speaker 5: So now you're going to probably get a cleaner look

444
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Speaker 5: in terms of what the revenue sharing split and what

445
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 5: teams have just spent over. So it's it's hard to say,

446
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: and this year won't be the same. It's not one

447
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 5: to one anymore because they had a student of the

448
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: clearing house in the summer and sort of the roster

449
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Speaker 5: the way the rosters were constructed were a little different.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's sustainable, Mike?

451
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean, you know, so long as you

452
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Speaker 2: have boosters, I get it right. But I believe, and

453
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Speaker 2: I keep saying this, that you're gonna have kind of

454
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Speaker 2: these little many dynasties and like a team's going to

455
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Speaker 2: be dominant for you know, have their three to four

456
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Speaker 2: years in the sun, then they go away for a

457
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Speaker 2: couple of years, then they come back again because it's

458
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Speaker 2: going to be cyclical. That works along with what kind

459
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Speaker 2: of big booster donations you're getting. And unless you have

460
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Speaker 2: a booster that's willing to write you a check for

461
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Speaker 2: fifteen million a year, you're gonna have EBB and flow.

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Speaker 1: There. Am I off base?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's two separate questions. Is the model sustainable?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so in terms of like what they're

465
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Speaker 5: doing and like all the different rules and eligibility and nil.

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Speaker 1: Like it's all a mess.

467
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Speaker 5: It's like a disaster, right, and so like there's I mean,

468
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Speaker 5: like I mean that's that's part of the conversation, right,

469
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Speaker 5: Like I mean things will probably have to change at

470
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Speaker 5: some point. I do not know what direction things go in.

471
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Speaker 5: Like there's no I mean, they can't even agree on

472
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Speaker 5: the playoff, right, Like there's no sort of stepping up

473
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Speaker 5: and trying to these voices kind of to to better

474
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Speaker 5: the sport. So like that parts I think is a

475
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Speaker 5: big part of it, because like that effects kind of

476
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Speaker 5: what you're talking about, Like is it just schools that

477
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Speaker 5: can muster up support for a certain amount of time

478
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Speaker 5: get like a benefit and get and like rise up

479
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 5: and rise back down. But I will say one, Indiana's

480
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Speaker 5: well positioned to sustain the success because you know, the

481
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Speaker 5: money comes in from what they just did will help

482
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Speaker 5: them and sort of lessen maybe the burden on some

483
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Speaker 5: of those donors or some of the you know, other

484
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Speaker 5: obligations they have to do. And so like I think

485
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Speaker 5: you also have to really good set up in the

486
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 5: athletic department have to have and they've really prepared for

487
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Speaker 5: this kind of even going back and went and spoke

488
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Speaker 5: about this kind of the weekly, going back to the

489
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Speaker 5: game to sort of set up the success, going back

490
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Speaker 5: to like twenty twenty one and coming up with the

491
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Speaker 5: model in the athletic department, a financial model I'm talking

492
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Speaker 5: about to sort of like how do we cover all

493
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Speaker 5: these costs, revenue shares coming, what do we do? And

494
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Speaker 5: Indiana positioned themselves well to do this because it's not

495
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Speaker 5: just about donors. I mean, that's the big part of it.

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Speaker 5: That's a big part of the nil. But I mean

497
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Speaker 5: you have to you know, like there are some athletic

498
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Speaker 5: departments that are so in the red that like they

499
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Speaker 5: can't dig themselves out of it. It's not going to

500
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Speaker 5: matter about donors, right And so I mean you see

501
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Speaker 5: that like UCLA, the school that have a lot of

502
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Speaker 5: financial troubles, so like they can't get to the point

503
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Speaker 5: Indiana that right now because they have all other sorts

504
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Speaker 5: of problems. So like Indiana has positioned themselves well to

505
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Speaker 5: keep us going. But to your point, like, what's the

506
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Speaker 5: future hold? God knows with what this model look like

507
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Speaker 5: in you know, three to five years, maybe things change,

508
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Speaker 5: And I don't know how that impacts you know, individual

509
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Speaker 5: teams because I don't know what the rules will be

510
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Speaker 5: at that point.

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Speaker 2: The again, Mike Nislok is our guest Bloomington Herald Times.

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Speaker 2: Here's one other question about that before we get on

513
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Speaker 2: to something about next year for Indiana.

514
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Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to this, Mike.

515
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Speaker 2: I'm legitimately asking, so I'm not rhetorically asking this, like

516
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, like the guy yelling at Clouds, what now

517
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Speaker 2: are the academic requirements for a player? Because for example,

518
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Speaker 2: you know his guys are now you know you heard

519
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Speaker 2: Carson back. I mean a lot was made of that.

520
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if he was taking you know,

521
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Speaker 2: Fernanda Mendoza graduated from cal I assume he was taking

522
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Speaker 2: like an online graduate course. I have no idea is

523
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Speaker 2: there a minimum requiring.

524
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Speaker 5: A couple of virtual course I believe he was taking

525
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Speaker 5: a couple of virtual courses, so that there is there

526
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Speaker 5: is a requirement. I do not know the extent, and

527
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Speaker 5: I don't know how it varies from school, you know,

528
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Speaker 5: hours wise or credits wise. But because you know, he

529
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Speaker 5: did talk, I mean, Fernando talked about that earlier this

530
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Speaker 5: season that you know, he went to host Business School,

531
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Speaker 5: obviously very prestigious school, and his he talks about his

532
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Speaker 5: class requirements obviously were much heavier in previous years than

533
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Speaker 5: they were this year. Not to brager about it, but

534
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Speaker 5: he just, you know, was talking kind of about it.

535
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Speaker 5: Was a question about what his schedule like or what

536
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Speaker 5: his routine was like. So there is that When players graduate,

537
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: obviously their class leaves less, but I mean they do

538
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Speaker 5: have to you know. I think it also changes like

539
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: undergrad versus graduate students and so like. I do not

540
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Speaker 5: know the exact credit hours, but I would say undergrads

541
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Speaker 5: obviously have to take more. But once you've graduated, there

542
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Speaker 5: is some leniency, and I mean, you know, now you

543
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Speaker 5: get we we'll kind of now are getting through a

544
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Speaker 5: lot of the COVID year guys where it was like

545
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Speaker 5: eight nine years, which was getting ridiculous. But now you're

546
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Speaker 5: sort of still seeing, you know, the JUCO rules sort

547
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: of up in the air, and you're still getting five

548
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: and six year players and so but yeah, they benefit

549
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Speaker 5: from that, but they still do have to do.

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Speaker 2: Some Okay, let's talk about roster for next year, Mike,

551
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, who's there who's not. I

552
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Speaker 2: want to begin with this. A guy that and somebody

553
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Speaker 2: asked me to ask about this. It's a really good question.

554
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: Tyler Cherry was a pretty highly talented quarterback locally out

555
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Speaker 2: of center Grove, went to Indiana, suffered injury, sat out

556
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Speaker 2: this year. I assume he is still part of the program.

557
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Speaker 2: Would he be some that then becomes Hoover's back up

558
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Speaker 2: with the department. With the departure now of Alberta Mendoza,

559
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Speaker 2: where do things stand there?

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Speaker 4: Uncertain?

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Speaker 5: I mean he was he was like a student coach,

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Speaker 5: so they kept them in the fold. Well, the injury,

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Speaker 5: I think it's all independent on his health. That'll be

564
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Speaker 5: a question. We kind of asked Kurtz Dedetti the next time.

565
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: I think we get you know, when you kind of

566
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Speaker 5: go through all the roster kind of question marks before

567
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 5: they kind of go off onto their break before the spring.

568
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 5: That is an interesting question in terms of like I

569
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Speaker 5: think it's all about just if he's help enough to

570
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Speaker 5: play and so will he be factor in the next season.

571
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Speaker 5: That'll be the sort of the question. I don't think

572
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Speaker 5: even if he came back that they will make they

573
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Speaker 5: will just just default and assume he'd be the backup quarterback.

574
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Speaker 5: Too young, too inexperienced, injury questions. I still think they

575
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Speaker 5: have to go find something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, when you look at not only players who have

577
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Speaker 2: no more eligibility, but also the possibility of transfer portal

578
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Speaker 2: or areas where they have not been able to get

579
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Speaker 2: players in the portal What area of the Indiana football

580
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Speaker 2: team for next season when they begin their defense of

581
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Speaker 2: this title are going to be the big question marks.

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Speaker 4: You know.

583
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Speaker 5: Their portal hole right now has answered a lot of

584
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Speaker 5: the questions that they had, like you know, you know,

585
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Speaker 5: and I think right now it's more sort of like

586
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 5: filling in holes and depth, like like could they use

587
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: a backup linebacker? You know, Like yeah, I think I

588
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: think an extra veteran linebacker with experience would help them.

589
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Speaker 5: The backup quarterback I think opens up. Maybe that is

590
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Speaker 5: your most pressing need because you know, you saw in

591
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: twenty four how important that start Tevin Jackson made was

592
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Speaker 5: to to sort of keep the playoff hopes on track

593
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Speaker 5: against Washington. So like you need a backup quarterback. I

594
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: mean they've addressed safety, you know, maybe another interior guy

595
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: and at defensive tackle. But I think you have a

596
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: really good starting base there. Like you know, they're coming

597
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 5: from a point it's strength in a lot of these positions.

598
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Speaker 5: Like if you lose Pawns, they got a two year

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 5: starter out of the transfer portal, you're probably bringing back

600
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Speaker 5: to Maury Sharp, the guy who just got the interception

601
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Speaker 5: to win the national title. Like, they're really in a

602
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: good spot in a lot of these places, you know,

603
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Speaker 5: especially with Carter Smith coming back, like you thought, you know,

604
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: now they have probably four starting linemen coming back basically essentially,

605
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Speaker 5: and then they added a starter, and now you just

606
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Speaker 5: kind of got to move a guy to center basically.

607
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Speaker 5: So I mean, like there's just not a lot of holes.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying, Like they are basically weigh

609
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: that first portal weekend and been like, look, get on

610
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Speaker 5: the bus now because we're shutting things down in forty

611
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: eight hours because we're going to go back to coaching

612
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: and getting this team ready to play. And most of

613
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: the guys did, and those are their first choices in

614
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: a lot of the positions. And I think that's that

615
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Speaker 5: set the tone for what this roster looks like next year.

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Speaker 5: And I think you have to feel really positive about.

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Speaker 1: It, Mike.

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Speaker 2: I want you to enjoy on Saturday from one until

619
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Speaker 2: one point thirty while you're covering the celebration, the fact

620
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Speaker 2: that it's going to be three degrees in freezing rain.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, Indiana fans will not care. I'll

622
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Speaker 2: tell you what they will not care. And I've always

623
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Speaker 2: said Bloomington and the state of Indiana and Centjolniana in

624
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: apples are heaven to me, but they must also be

625
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: hell because hell's frozen over because Indiana won the national title.

626
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Speaker 5: Right, maybe there'll be a spot up in the trust blocks.

627
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Speaker 5: I can stay warming.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Mike. I appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's been a busy run for you, I realize,

630
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Speaker 2: but you've answered the call each time.

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Speaker 1: And I always appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 2: Mike Nasilak joining us on the Java House Peel and

633
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Speaker 2: poor guest line. I know that I am a broken

634
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Speaker 2: record when I say this, but it's difficult for me

635
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Speaker 2: sometimes to be able to determine with the pacers even Okay,

636
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: you know who's out because they are legitimately out, who's

637
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: out because they're just kind of the pacers are, you know,

638
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: seeing what they have elsewhere. And then you also get

639
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: as Dustin joins us. Now, Dustin, it seems to me

640
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: like we saw last game, and I think Nie Smith

641
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Speaker 2: and Nim Hard of the two that come to mind here.

642
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Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall in

643
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: the past really them going to the we're going to

644
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: use rest days on back to backs, but it seems

645
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Speaker 2: as though that's now being incorporated by Rick Carlisle.

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00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're going to

648
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Speaker 6: do that again. I mean, I imagine it also had

649
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Speaker 6: something to do with it being the first game of

650
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Speaker 6: a five game road trip.

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Speaker 4: Maybe.

652
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess we'll see. We'll see when this

653
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: becomes the thing. I mean, obviously, if you start seeing

654
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 6: a lot of these, then you know, the tank is

655
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 6: really really on and so yeah, I mean it it's

656
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 6: you don't see it much. I mean, I think Pascal

657
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 6: had the previous back to back, they're a previous back

658
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 6: to back. He sat out that that Golden State game

659
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 6: when they had ten guys out and they shored eighty

660
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 6: three points in this game in that game. So, I mean,

661
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is going to be a

662
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 6: trend that they're going to do this for every back

663
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: to back. It's probably different than it's home road. It's

664
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 6: probably different than it's you know, five game road trip.

665
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 6: But it's obviously, you know, something that wouldn't happen if

666
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 6: they were competitive, you know, I mean they would they

667
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 6: would not be doing that if they were you know

668
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 6: twenty you know, twenty two and twenty one or whatever.

669
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: You know.

670
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 6: It's something that happened because they were you know, ten

671
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 6: and thirty one, I think going into that game or

672
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: ten Yeah, I think, no with ten and thirty two.

673
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, like there's that is changing the calculus.

674
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's going to be like that

675
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 6: every time they have a back to back, I'm not sure.

676
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: I think their next back to back might be after

677
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 6: O don't know, it's I think it's before the break.

678
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 6: I gotta look at this real quick. I have to

679
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 6: check it out. No, I mean, I don't know. I

680
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 6: don't know if it's going to be an every time thing.

681
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 6: You would hope it's not. Just for the sake of

682
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody wants to watch anything like that again.

683
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 6: But usually if you're more competitive and you do think

684
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 6: you've got to give some guys rest days, you know

685
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 6: you're not doing them all at once. You're saying, Okay,

686
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: you get one this time, somebody else gets one next time.

687
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 6: But that was definitely a case of Okay, we can

688
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 6: we can do this because we're not in a competitive

689
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: situation right now, and it's not the worst thing on

690
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 6: earth for them to lose games.

691
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Back to back.

692
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: By the way, February second and third, Houston and Utah

693
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: here in Indy. I want to begin with this in

694
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: terms of players, and some of this is stuff that

695
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: we have discussed a lot others. You know, these things

696
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: haven't ebb and flowed dust. Let's begin with this. Jay

697
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: huff to.

698
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: Me at the beginning of the year.

699
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Let me give you the evolution of the Jake Querry

700
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: process of Jay huff. Okay, the beginning of the year, man,

701
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: they swung and missed on this guy. He can't play,

702
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: He don't have any strength, can't play, looks nervous, can't play.

703
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Then later in the year Jake Querry's assessment. Boy, he

704
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: hits two threes to start every single game and then

705
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the night finishes with eight points.

706
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: But he can block some shots, and I'll give him

707
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: credit there. Now, I'm like, Okay, looks like a guy

708
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: that could be a really nice eighteen to twenty two

709
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: minute per night guy to spell your starting center. Maybe

710
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: needs to bulk up defensively, but I think is a

711
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: good piece for them. But I don't know that you

712
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: win if he is your your regular piece at the

713
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: center position. Where do you believe that the brass of

714
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: the pacers feels he is in terms of the now

715
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: and the future?

716
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that's pretty much right. I mean,

717
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 6: I think you've seen me, you know, like, I'm not

718
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 6: going off if they haven't told me, Hey, we definitely

719
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: think he's here. But I mean I think you've obviously

720
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 6: seen enough, you know, kind of smoke going around of

721
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: them looking at starter caliber centers. But I mean, I

722
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: would say one thing that Huff does that I think

723
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 6: changes your calculus a little bit that I think you're

724
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 6: seeing in some of those rumors is that if you

725
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 6: have him as a backup option and he's a pick

726
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 6: and pop guy, you know, then somebody who can shoot threes.

727
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 6: You know, you can maybe afford to take a guy

728
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 6: as a starter who doesn't shoot threes, who's a really

729
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 6: good rebounder, you know, really strong physical presence, defensively, good

730
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 6: rim protector, stuff like that, you can afford to take.

731
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 6: Not a chance, but you can afford to say, Okay,

732
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: that's what we're going to go with. We we don't

733
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 6: necessary If we have Huffs in our back pocket and

734
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 6: a guy who can really stretch the floor, uh, then

735
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 6: we can be okay with having somebody on the front line.

736
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily a three point truer. He does everything else,

737
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 6: you know, like the Daniel Gaffords giv because Zu bacs.

738
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 6: You know, guy like guys at that. I mean, bas

739
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: be tough to get because the Clippers are starting to

740
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 6: get competitive, but you know your Gaffords, he's and missus.

741
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 6: You those guys become more of a possibility if you

742
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 6: have a guy in your back pocket as a backup

743
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 6: that can come in and shoot threes and you need

744
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 6: him off the fence. So I think that's the case.

745
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I you know, like if they the thought

746
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 6: Huff could be the guy, they obviously wouldn't be as

747
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 6: active as they seem to be when it comes to

748
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 6: these discussions to get a starting five man. And I

749
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 6: think your assessment has mostly been writing is really tracks

750
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 6: with mine that at first you're like, oh man, this

751
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 6: was not this this guy isn't who they thought he

752
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 6: was going to be. But I mean you saw him

753
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 6: sort of block shots, he saw the three point shot

754
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 6: get a little bit better, and you know, and one

755
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 6: thing that they've talked about a lot is that, you know,

756
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 6: he had to figure out the end game conditioning. I mean,

757
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: even if you train for it, you know the extent

758
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 6: to which they want to run. And obviously they haven't

759
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 6: been a good running and finishing team this year, necessarily,

760
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 6: but they still want to play fast, and they still

761
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 6: want to push it, and they still want to you defend,

762
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: you know, your guy for ninety four feet and all

763
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 6: those kinds of things. He had to get in better shape.

764
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 6: Now he was in bad shape and he's just he's

765
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 6: a skinny guy overall, and there's only so much bulk

766
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 6: you're going to add to him because he's He's had

767
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 6: to do a lot of bulking up to get at

768
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 6: this point. But you know, he's figured out how to

769
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 6: play this way. He's figured out how to move off

770
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 6: of these guys to understand, you know, how to operate

771
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 6: in this sort of randomized action system. A lot of

772
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 6: things have come together for him. The confidence is much

773
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 6: much better than it was a month and a half ago,

774
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 6: two months ago, and there's a lot of progress. But yeah,

775
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 6: I would agree he makes sense as a bench piece

776
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 6: more than he does. Is a long long term starter

777
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 6: for them if they intend to be contenders again and

778
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 6: if they intend to be contenders next year.

779
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: Has Huff's ability to protect the rim now taken away

780
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: the necessity of finding that element within who it is

781
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: that you're going to go out and get as your starter.

782
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: In other words, can they say to themselves, Hey, you

783
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: know what, if we need rim protection, then we have

784
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: that in Jay Huffin. We can use that sparingly and

785
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: that means we don't need it out of our starter.

786
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: Or are they still looking for someone that replicates all

787
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: the things that Miles Turner brought.

788
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 6: I mean, you have to look at all the things

789
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: Miles Turner brought you to try to get all those things.

790
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 6: I think you want better, Like I think you'll you

791
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 6: might trade one or the other, the shooting or the

792
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: shot blocking for better rebounding is how I would put it.

793
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 6: I think you want I think they want better rebounding.

794
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 6: I think that's important. I think they know that's been

795
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: a you know, something that's that it's been an issue

796
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: for them, and I think they would like to get

797
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 6: that better. I mean, because you're not just gonna Be're

798
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 6: probably not just gonna go back and get Miles.

799
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: Maybe you can, you.

800
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 6: Know, like I mean, maybe Milwaukee's ready to sell right

801
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 6: off of that, and you know, maybe everybody can let

802
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 6: buy by gones be by by gones on everything. I

803
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 6: doubt it, but you know that I don't see that coming.

804
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 6: That seems unlikely to me. But if you're looking at

805
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 6: a bunch of guys, I think if you're gonna have

806
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 6: a guy who doesn't shoot, then you better have the

807
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 6: rint protection. I don't think you're gonna be okay with

808
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 6: just having an around the basket score and a rebounder

809
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 6: and a good defensive player. If he can't either shooter

810
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 6: block shots, I think he has to do one of

811
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: the two. And it seems to me like most of

812
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 6: the guys that they've looked at that aren't shooters, are

813
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 6: are rint protectors. You know, I think you have one

814
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 6: have to have one of those elements if you don't

815
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 6: have both.

816
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to trade deadline coming up? Dustin Win? Exactly?

817
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: Is the trade deadline?

818
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 4: February fifth at three pm?

819
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 6: I believe?

820
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're looking at you know, we got what

821
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: two weeks, three weeks something like that.

822
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm much over too. Yeah, how much two in

823
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: a day?

824
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

825
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: How much of Ben Matheren not being available due to

826
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: injury in any way, shape or form impacts Indiana's activity

827
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: of the trade deadline?

828
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: I mean I think it matters that.

829
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 6: I think, you know, they Rick talked about him likely

830
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: getting back on this trip. He still ruled out for

831
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 6: tonight against Boston. I mean, i'd have to think he

832
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 6: gets up back on the floor soon, you know. I

833
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 6: if I'm if I'm the team that's interested, you know,

834
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 6: you've got to shop him. I mean I like shopping

835
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 6: him I think means getting him out on the floor.

836
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: So the teams can see where he's.

837
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 6: At with because he does have real injuries, you know,

838
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 6: like they're not made up. The thumb spring's not made up.

839
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 6: He had the great toast brain before, you know, so

840
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 6: those things are real, they're not made up like they

841
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 6: didn't just you know, come up with a phantom injury

842
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 6: to get him off the floor so they could just

843
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 6: sit there and rest him for for whoever else might

844
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 6: want him. You know, I think if you're another team,

845
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 6: you're going to want to see him get on the

846
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 6: floor to see if he can help you. Now, you know,

847
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 6: if you're a contender in particular, you know, you want

848
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 6: to make sure that he's in good in a good

849
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 6: enough place that that he can be you know what

850
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 6: you're gonna want him to be if you're going to

851
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 6: be willing to part with a starting caliber center. You know,

852
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 6: even if you're not a contender, you're going to want

853
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: to see something. Basically, even if it's a trade among

854
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 6: two non contenders, I think you're gonna want to see

855
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: something out of him to make that move.

856
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: So I think it could it could make any impact.

857
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously if he comes out, you know, suddenly

858
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 6: we'd both doors off and he's he's a totally different guy.

859
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: And you know, it gets Rick to the point where

860
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: he's like, Okay, you can't move him, you know, like

861
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 6: he's finally what I wanted him to be all this time.

862
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 6: Then that might change him things. But I do think

863
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 6: it makes him a little bit more marketable if he

864
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 6: gets out and shows something in a week and a half,

865
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: two weeks, just to be like, Okay, he's healthy, he's good.

866
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 6: It was good that he took the time off, you know, like,

867
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 6: and he's going to be a useful player down the

868
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 6: stretch for somebody. And I think that that makes some

869
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 6: other things more palatable if if he shows just a

870
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 6: little bit.

871
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 7: In a couple of weeks, Dustin, we've seen Kevin Pritchard

872
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 7: and Chad u Can and pulled off some miraculous trades

873
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 7: that have gone in Indiana's favor.

874
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: Will be topping is one just to.

875
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 7: Kind of name one of the few are other teams

876
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 7: potentially when they get that call from Kevin Pritchett to

877
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 7: Chad you Can and they're like, wait, wait, wait, hold on,

878
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 7: we need to rethink this because if these guys are

879
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 7: calling us, then we may have something.

880
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 6: Here a little. But I mean, I think in fairness,

881
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I do think there's a lot of coaches

882
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 6: in the league, gems in the league to sort of

883
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 6: understand when they have a guy who's good that they're

884
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 6: never going to be able to use, you know, and

885
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 6: they don't have a problem necessarily with parting with those guys,

886
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 6: you know, and seeing them be successful somebody else. Ma

887
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 6: AARONI Smith and Obi the Toping or two examples. I mean,

888
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: I think just it just had gone south with the

889
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 6: Knicks basically, and it was just never going to work

890
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 6: out with him, and he had to get another home.

891
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 6: And I think I don't think that there's probably that's

892
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 6: the prize that you know, that will be fit in Indiana,

893
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 6: you know. And I think Aaron Neithmi is absolutely that

894
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 6: case in Boston that you know, like you.

895
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: You know, like you can't.

896
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 6: Anytime I've talked to anybody from Boston about him, they've

897
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 6: been like, yeah, he just didn't have a chance with

898
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 6: with Jalen and Jason there, like there was just never

899
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 6: going to be an opportunity, you know, so like he

900
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 6: had to go somewhere. He was going to develop, he

901
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 6: had to go somewhere he was gonna play, and it

902
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 6: wasn't gonna be here, So like, so yes, I would

903
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: say that you're like, Okay, if he's a guy that

904
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 6: you're just not sure of, you probably recalculate your priors.

905
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 6: But sometimes you're like, Okay, this guy, we're just not

906
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 6: gonna be able to use him. And the Pacers have

907
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 6: had guys like that, you know, I mean they had

908
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: you know, I mean I think back to the Daniel

909
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 6: Tye situation where like Rick carlile knew he had a

910
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 6: functional center in Daniel Pice, but he also had Jackson

911
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: and Jalen Smith and they were young guys and they

912
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 6: needed minutes, and so Tys just didn't fit. And literally

913
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 6: they cut him because the Clippers had a space for him.

914
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 6: You know, it wasn't because they didn't think he could play,

915
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 6: you know, and they couldn't make a trade workout because

916
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 6: nothing worked money wise. So there there are like if

917
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 6: if there's and he's a miss the situation, you know,

918
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 6: that might be a guy that they could get and

919
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 6: the Pelicans looking like we're never going to have a

920
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 6: real opportunity to showcase this guy, or you know, I mean,

921
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 6: like when the heat just gave them to Thomas Bryant,

922
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: Like we don't have any use for him, Like we

923
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: just we think he's a good player. We think he

924
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 6: can help you. He can't help us because he's just

925
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 6: not going to break through. You know, they're going to

926
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 6: look for guys like that. And you know, I don't

927
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 6: think other teams are going to feel bad, you know,

928
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 6: so like they messed up if they give a guy

929
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 6: a chance that he was never going to get in

930
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 6: their organization.

931
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: I realize health is a big part of what I'm

932
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: about to ask Dustin. Dustin up Hereck is our guest

933
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: job House Peel and poor guest line. He's with the

934
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Star. I realize health is a factor here. Okay,

935
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: But having said that, sure, of these four players, I

936
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: want you to tell me which one you think we

937
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: will historically look back on this season and say it

938
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: was the most missed opportunity for them to finally emerge.

939
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: Ben Matherin, Ben Shephard, Jeris Walker, Isaiah Jackson, Ben.

940
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 6: Matherin, Yeah, Ben Matherin. I mean, I think I might

941
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 6: say Jarris Walker in a month. I do think Walker's

942
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 6: done a couple of good things lately, and I'm not,

943
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: but but I might. I might change my mind on

944
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: that if Walker goes back south, you know, I might

945
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 6: elevate Walker over that, because Walker hasn't that Like what's

946
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 6: amazing is like Walker hasn't missed the game, you know,

947
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 6: and and just like what considering all the time he

948
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 6: was waiting to get an opportunity, you know, like for

949
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 6: there was a lot of squandered opportunity. I'm holding back

950
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 6: and putting him there just because the last couple of games,

951
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 6: I'm starting to see it, and you know, like it

952
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 6: was interesting for Carla to really push that. Now part

953
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 6: of that might be that, hey, if you are thinking

954
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 6: of a big move, you you need Walker to look

955
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 6: good too, because you might have to move Mather and

956
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 6: a Walker together if you're swinging big enough, if you're

957
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 6: looking for a twenty million dollar player, you need to

958
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 6: be able to package Mather and a Walker together because

959
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 6: that's you need to get just to get there for

960
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 6: salary purposes, you know, like that you might have to

961
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 6: move both. And Carylott might have been really making a

962
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 6: point of pitch pushing Walker to say, hey, everybody.

963
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: Check a look at this guy. But he's been better lately,

964
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: He's legitimately.

965
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 6: Done some things that you hadn't seen him do yet.

966
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 6: I think that this defense has been better. He's been

967
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 6: more solid defensively. You know, Passing has been sharper, cutting

968
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 6: has been sharper, drives have been sharper. Just everything's been

969
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 6: a little bit better the last couple of weeks. So,

970
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: you know, but if that progress goes away, I might

971
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 6: flip that. You know, but Matherin's had just so many opportunities.

972
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 6: I mean, some of it is, some of it is also.

973
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 6: I mean he looked really good early and you know

974
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: when he got hurt, when he got back the second

975
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 6: time between injuries, really during that eleven game, you know,

976
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: that thirteen game losing streak, and he played eleven those games,

977
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 6: you were like, where where is Ben mastering man? You know,

978
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 6: like what like you're not even seeing what you're used

979
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 6: to seeing out of him. And I thought, you know,

980
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 6: maybe even if he wasn't making a case for the Pacers,

981
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 6: even if you even if you were saying, okay, well

982
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 6: with Haliburton out, he can't really.

983
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: Prove himself that he fits.

984
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 6: You know, it's just a question of him showing out

985
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 6: so that he can get paid elsewhere. You didn't him

986
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 6: show out like that, you know, I mean, like the

987
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: games before his first injury, and even you know, kind

988
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 6: of early on in his return, you're like, Okay, like

989
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 6: this guy, he is a scorer, he is a good player.

990
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 6: He makes them better, you know.

991
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: But that had eleven games like they were they were

992
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: they were worse with.

993
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 6: Him than they have been since he's been out, And

994
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 6: you know that, I think strikes it as a misopportunity.

995
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 6: There was a chance for him, even if he wasn't

996
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: going to make his money with the Pacers, that he

997
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 6: could have made some money somewhere else.

998
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: And I feel, like Isaiah Jackson. The unfortunate thing for

999
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Jackson has been the injury and the limit of times

1000
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: he's been able to be out on the floor. But Dustin,

1001
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I had not seen enough body of

1002
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: work or evidence to say that he had returned to

1003
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: his pre injury self.

1004
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1005
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah?

1006
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 6: No, he and he'd admit that, you know, I mean,

1007
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 6: I think he got in there and he said, like

1008
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 6: you don't you know, we we've asked. Isaiah is incredibly honest,

1009
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 6: and Isaiah gave us like very you know, verty not

1010
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 6: graphics not the word, but I mean he just like

1011
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 6: when we asked them about the concussion, I mean, he

1012
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 6: gave us every symptom he had. And like Isaiah's just

1013
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 6: he's just that honest. You asked him a question, he

1014
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 6: gives you an answer, you know. I mean he was

1015
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 6: straightforward telling us this how much how much weight he

1016
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 6: gained when he wasn't able to run, and how he

1017
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 6: gained it, you know, going to raising kines by the

1018
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 6: place he was getting hyperbaric work. And so if you

1019
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 6: ask Isaiah to say, no, I'm not quite as explosives,

1020
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 6: like it does take a while to get back, and

1021
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 6: it does. I think alarm belves isn't the word, but

1022
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 6: like it should. You should then take that and apply

1023
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 6: it to Tyre's Haliburton too and say that you know,

1024
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 6: like if you think Tyree's is going to walk in

1025
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 6: he's going to be the same guy as he was

1026
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 6: in games, you know, like Game seven.

1027
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: Before the injury, he's not.

1028
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 6: It's going to take a while before you know, like

1029
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 6: he's gonna be able to play, he's gonna be able

1030
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 6: to be useful, He's going to make them better, but

1031
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 6: you're not going to see top level tie in October.

1032
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a few months at least. And I

1033
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 6: think that's the case with Isaiah. He would just tell

1034
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 6: you like to explode, you know, like there's trusting it,

1035
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 6: there's the mental side of it, there's the conditioning side

1036
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: of it.

1037
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 4: You know, there's your body changes.

1038
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 6: I mean his body changed, he is, you know, and

1039
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: I think you're going to see the same thing with Haliburton,

1040
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 6: not the same level. I think Isaiah got bigger than

1041
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 6: Haliburton's going to get.

1042
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 4: But like you know, you go a while without.

1043
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: Being able to do any cardio and your body changes,

1044
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 6: you know, you and add the muscle, but you're not

1045
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 6: as light on your feet as you were. You know,

1046
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 6: Isaiah was a long, skinny guy who jumped really really

1047
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 6: high and now he's bigger, stronger, and more physical and

1048
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 6: there's some things that made him better with that, but

1049
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: he's not the same high flyer that he was. So

1050
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: you'll see, you know, like it impacts different people different ways.

1051
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I think you're going to see a stronger

1052
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 6: Tyres Haliburton in October. He is going to be better

1053
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 6: fit to deal with contact. Is it going to be

1054
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 6: as fast? You know, I don't know that's going to

1055
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 6: be an interesting thing to watch. So this is it,

1056
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 6: you know again, it sets you back for a long

1057
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 6: time and it changes your body, it changes your mind.

1058
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 6: It's an injury that that does mess with you and

1059
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 6: it takes you a while to come back and be

1060
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 6: the same person you were before it.

1061
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star where you can read his work.

1062
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: He'll have the coverage to the Pacers and Celtics for

1063
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: tonight's game. That is a seven o'clock tip pregame at

1064
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: six thirty. It is a set thirty tonight.

1065
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 6: I think it is I double hit. Let me make

1066
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 6: s Eddy, But I think I just saw that on

1067
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 6: the app. If I'm not mistaken, it is seven thirty.

1068
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: Yes, looks like somebody's fine riding on our little boarding here.

1069
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Eddie needs some amendment.

1070
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: Look at the look at it today, Oh, Ed, I apologize, Eddie.

1071
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: I was not trying to come.

1072
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm Eddie Jake. Look at the today on the fan.

1073
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 7: We've gotten on the horizon at six A Dustan seven Dustin.

1074
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch Judge Judy?

1075
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: No, No, it's on sometimes Judge Wopper.

1076
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna let Dustin, We're gonna play judge, Dustin.

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Speaker 1: You're ready, Judge Dustin.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a board that Eddie and his brilliant

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Speaker 2: handwriting that actually looks like most girls that I went

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Speaker 2: to middle school with.

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Speaker 1: But he does have nice pending.

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Speaker 4: Actually that's really a high compliment.

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Speaker 2: I know he has very It says this week in

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Speaker 2: sports Pacers at Celtics Wednesday at seven p pregame at

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Speaker 2: six thirty p. Underneath that, it says today on the

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Speaker 2: horizon at six pm. Pacers at Celtics at seven pm.

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Speaker 1: It's enough, you know, pre game, right, yes, pre game.

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Speaker 2: At seven All right, Dustin, thanks for settling that up,

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Speaker 2: even though you didn't actually offer any sort of.

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Speaker 1: A verdict, but I can tell you agreed with you

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Speaker 1: felt my pain. We're both right.

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Speaker 2: We're both right. That's fair, that's fair. Appreciated, Dustin, I

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Speaker 2: thank you. I Dustin Appirac's in Boston.