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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show.

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Speaker 1: On ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan,

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Speaker 1: they seized a fan morning show with KB jab and Jeff.

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Speaker 1: From multiple sources, forty four year old Philip Rivers is

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Speaker 1: signing to the quarterback needy Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, I've seen this one.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this one.

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Speaker 3: It's a classic for me.

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Speaker 1: You've seen this. It's brand new, you know. I saw

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Speaker 1: it on the week rerun to rerun.

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Speaker 2: The forty four year old Grandfather. I was definitely a

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Speaker 2: little surprise. I mean, but if there is one guy

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Speaker 2: to call who can do something like this, it's definitely.

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Speaker 1: Him to be leading the Colts into the playoffs to

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You can do it.

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Speaker 4: Get that old.

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Speaker 2: Ass, your's Indian Zone. We got to win this.

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Speaker 5: It feels a little desperate to me.

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Speaker 3: You're forty four, bro, Get rid of the rock, do

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Speaker 3: not hold it, don't double pump, and you ain't.

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Speaker 5: Fast enough to get out of the pocket.

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Speaker 2: Let that thing go.

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Speaker 5: Realistically, I mean, who knows what Philip's kp you luck

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Speaker 5: you know, you know I'm going to say a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my real estate. Yes, we're still in this thing,

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Speaker 2: and we are very much the last Just.

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Speaker 1: Now, old man got in time.

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Speaker 6: Wow, Michael Pittman is optimistic and bullush on everything, and

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Speaker 6: welcome into the twilight zone, in which Indiana football's the

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Speaker 6: number one right team in the nation. Philip Rivers is

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Speaker 6: coming back from a five year hiatus to possibly play

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Speaker 6: for the Indianapolis Colts. We had an Assembly Hall scoring

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Speaker 6: record last night for Indiana, or dude trying to get

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Speaker 6: back on track against Minnesota later on tonight. Other than that,

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Speaker 6: there's nothing happening in our world. James Boyd, How was

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Speaker 6: it over at West fifty six yesterday? My friend?

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Speaker 4: No trip over there just yet. We'll go over there

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Speaker 4: for the first time today this week to see Uncle

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Speaker 4: Phil out on the practice. But Kevin, you noted this immediately.

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Speaker 4: There was no practice today, and then the reported signing

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Speaker 4: of Phil Rivers happened, and there was a practice today.

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Speaker 4: So I'm guessing the ben Gay got busted out. He's

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Speaker 4: rubbing it on the shoulder and he's got to get

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Speaker 4: ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Do we call him Grunkle Phil, Grandpa uncle together or

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Speaker 2: are we sticking with Uncle Phil? Uncle Phil obviously sounds better.

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Speaker 6: If he's three and out. He's gramps. If he scores

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Speaker 6: a touchdown drive, he's Uncle Phil right.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Would actually agree with this. Uncle scores the grandpa washed.

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Speaker 2: This is Philip Rivers life. We don't have time for

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Speaker 2: Wednesday walkthroughs anymore. We gotta get on the practice field.

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Speaker 2: So yes, the Colts have changed up their practice schedule

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Speaker 2: in the aftermath of Philip Rivers' arrival. So they will

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Speaker 2: go back to early season practice today, practice tomorrow, practice Friday,

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Speaker 2: among the changes. So, boy, it is he's Noellen Harveson. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is an understatement. There it is. It's amazing. You know.

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Speaker 2: You can call it entertaining, call it frightening, call it desperate,

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Speaker 2: call it genius. But here we are Philip Freakin' Rivers,

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Speaker 2: and I expect him to start on Sunday. I know

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Speaker 2: that's the question that a lot of people have asked.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think Philip River. I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you just need to smoke break from his ten kid household,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think you hop on a plane and

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Speaker 2: surface and scratch the back of Brett Rippon.

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Speaker 7: Mark. I'll know this.

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Speaker 6: Phil's got three kids crawling all over him, and he

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Speaker 6: hasn't had a break in six and a half weeks.

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Speaker 6: And he gets that phone call and before before Shantstiching

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Speaker 6: and Chris Paller can even finish what they're saying, he's like,

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Speaker 6: when can you get me on the plane.

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Speaker 8: Yes, let's go. I'll do it for free. Yes, I'll

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Speaker 8: be there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess the proof of this is at first

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Speaker 4: the reported tryout was supposed to be Tuesday, and then

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Speaker 4: it comes out, oh no.

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Speaker 2: He was here Monday.

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Speaker 4: So to your point, Jeff got rid of the family

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Speaker 4: pretty quick.

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Speaker 8: Are on time.

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Speaker 2: Usually, what if I told you on August Philip Rivers

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Speaker 2: will start more games Thanapolis Colts, this here than Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 8: I would think you smacked your head relatively hard.

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Speaker 6: I would think that you would you would be in

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Speaker 4: I would think that you have done another drug deal

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Speaker 7: Again.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, Yeah, I definitely would be questioning things. But

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Speaker 4: at this point I think I come round to it.

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Speaker 4: I wrote this yesterday and it actually went live this morning.

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Speaker 4: I was walking in but I don't necessarily view this

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Speaker 4: through the same out of the box lens as of

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Speaker 4: Jeff Saturday hiring. I know he mentioned that. I believe

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Speaker 4: he went on the Rich eisen So yesterday and he said, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is like me walking in there.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not.

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Speaker 4: Granted you had no coaching experience at the pro college level.

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Speaker 4: At least Philip Rivers has played in the NFL. He

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Speaker 4: does know several of the teams almost two decades, several

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Speaker 4: the teammates actually because they're still playing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so from.

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Speaker 4: That perspective, there's football reasons. I can squint my eyes

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Speaker 4: and say, Okay, I can see where he's for what

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Speaker 4: you're trying to do. Where the Jeff Saturday one was

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Speaker 4: like this will never work. So this might not ever

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Speaker 4: work either, But at least, again football reasons, there are

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Speaker 4: some You asked a.

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Speaker 6: Question yesterday, Kevin, which I think is really the key question, like,

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Speaker 6: what what is Shane Stikeen going to get out of

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Speaker 6: all of these guys that he might be looking for

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Speaker 6: his potential starting quarterbacks in this particular circumstance where you're

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Speaker 6: either going to go get a guy off the street

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Speaker 6: that's not a starting level quarterback anyway, and the guy

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Speaker 6: that you have that you could elevate. You're not clearly

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Speaker 6: all that confident. As somebody wrote on Twitter yesterday, like

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Speaker 6: I feel offended for at ripping right now, but my

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Speaker 6: point is you're Shane Steiken. You're sitting there, You're trying

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Speaker 6: to figure out what in the world are we going

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Speaker 6: to do. You've been having these weekly conversations about your

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Speaker 6: offense with a guy who has run your offense in

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Speaker 6: the past. And what is Shane Styken? You asked the question, actually,

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Speaker 6: what's Shane Styke? And looking for somebody who can just

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Speaker 6: operate his offense right now? Can he stand up to

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Speaker 6: the physical riggers of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We don't know any of that.

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Speaker 6: What's the arm looked like after five years? Don't know,

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Speaker 6: but cerebrally intellectually at least Shane Styke and knows I

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Speaker 6: got I can get a guy under center there that

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Speaker 6: when he gets the ball in his hands, has a

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Speaker 6: really good idea what that defense wants to do, and

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Speaker 2: That's where you're at, right Yeah, the question just changes

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Speaker 2: once that ball snapped. Obviously, look the colt.

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Speaker 9: I'm ok, I'm just saying that that's not the thought process,

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Speaker 9: the cultureand is one of the more dire situations I've

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Speaker 9: ever seen it the last time I look at the

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Speaker 9: quarterback depth chart like I look at it right now.

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Speaker 2: And fittingly, we'll have Jack Doyle join us at eight o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Former teammate of course, of Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 4: I believe he was the last guy to catch a

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Speaker 4: touchdown pass from Rivers.

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Speaker 2: In that building game, right playoff game. Yeah, so Jack

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Speaker 2: Doyle was a part of the Colts back in mark.

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Speaker 2: You have to double check me on the year. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna guess fifteen or sixteen BC. Yes, certainly when they

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Speaker 2: went combo quarterback in a game, they went Josh Freeman

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Speaker 2: up until the two minute warning, and then they went

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Speaker 2: Ryan Linley for the two minut offense. So literally they

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Speaker 2: spent a week training one quarterback of you run our

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Speaker 2: basic offense. Other guy, you run the two minute offense.

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Speaker 2: This is the only other time I can consider it

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Speaker 2: as dire, And of course I say that because torn

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Speaker 2: a chillies for Dana Jones, Anthony Richardson orbital fracture, not

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Speaker 2: playing Riley Leonard assuming he can't go, that's probably the

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Speaker 2: one little dangling news item we have here Wednesday morning

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Speaker 2: of is Riley Leonard truly out for Sunday again? As

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Speaker 2: we said quite often yesterday, a knee injury to a

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Speaker 2: quarterback that needs his legs significantly to like Riley Leonard

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Speaker 2: playing quarterback and Philip Rivers playing quarterback, are two different

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Speaker 2: guys in terms of their legs. Philip Rivers played a

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Speaker 2: playoff game on a torn acl ryle. Leonard's not playing

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Speaker 2: a game on a torn acal. Nothing against his toughness,

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Speaker 2: but that's just not how he is as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So yes, Jeff, to answer your question, I guess they

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Speaker 2: are going peak cerebral. They are going we are two

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Speaker 2: football nerds that know this offense better than anything you

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Speaker 2: could ever imagine. And when Seattle shows us this, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna sit in this meeting room on a Wednesday night

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna say, let's counter to that, and it's

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Speaker 2: gonna work. Of course, what happens when eleven dudes in

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Speaker 2: blue jerseys and forty five degrees spitting rain in one

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Speaker 2: of the most hostile environments in the NFL and the

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Speaker 2: defense that hasn't allowed two touchdowns has allot eight touchdown

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Speaker 2: in two weeks, a taxi quarterback that hasn't thrown a

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Speaker 2: past in eighteen hundred days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was looking at this well, Yeah, I was

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Speaker 4: throwing a pass. Don't sell my boy short. Now he's

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Speaker 4: been down there in Fair Hope, Alabama, throwing it around

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Speaker 4: with the high school kids, like it is a Disney movie.

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Speaker 4: So he's ready for this moment.

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Speaker 2: But this will be a Disney movie.

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Speaker 4: It could be you know, it'll be a lesson learn

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Speaker 4: for all involved.

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Speaker 2: We might want to go back to the Disney channel

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Speaker 2: if this doesn't go well exactly, but Bluis reruns sound

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Speaker 4: But to your point about what he could be up against,

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Speaker 4: we had to go back and look at this. The

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Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks have only allowed nine points in the last

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Speaker 4: two weeks combined, and they forced eight turnovers. That is

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Speaker 4: the definition of good luck.

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Speaker 6: But I guess, ultimately at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: like what are your options?

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Speaker 2: So so I did see and James, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you saw anywhere I thought I saw Joe a

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Speaker 2: Ericson mention in his story. They tried to sign Sam

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Speaker 6: You refuse right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, if you're Ellinger, let's play

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Speaker 2: that out. You have a chance to be a starting

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Speaker 2: that's that. I mean that's but I also understouite the

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Speaker 2: if you're Allinger, you had your cup of coffee here,

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Speaker 2: you did start for this franchise. You are being thrown

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Speaker 2: into quite the disadvantage, this advantageous. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: how to even say that. Not a great scenario is

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Speaker 2: probably the simplest way to put it. And with Denver,

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Speaker 2: for what it's worth, he is on the team that

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Speaker 2: might win at all. Now granted he's the third quarterback

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Speaker 2: and not going to see playing time you would think,

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Speaker 2: but you know that those are the types of conversations

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Speaker 2: we've had. I mean, we read off the practice squad

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Speaker 2: quarterback list yesterday. It's a it's a dire, dire group.

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Speaker 2: There were so many four o'clock training table jokes yesterday

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Speaker 6: When you went to bed, you would have never thought

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Speaker 2: But on Monday, when Eddie Yarris and I decided to

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Speaker 4: That was one of your more clairvoyant moments.

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, you know what stranger things have happened.

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Speaker 6: It's ninety three five and one oh seven five one

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Speaker 6: Does that bring any memories back for you? You ready to

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I don't know about all that, but that definitely

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Speaker 2: Jack that that two point conversion was a hell of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that was a that was a Philip play,

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Speaker 2: Well, as Jeff said, we appreciate the time here. Jack

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Speaker 2: a few texts yesterday. Your response football is life for

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Speaker 7: what I think about when I think of Philip. You know,

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Speaker 7: You know, that's what I couldn't get over, just how

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Speaker 4: So with Philip Rivers and him knowing notoriously not to curse,

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Speaker 4: is he the best trash talker who doesn't say any

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Speaker 7: Yes, he's the best trash talker period that I ever

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Speaker 7: played with. Okay, I mean he does not stop, and

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Speaker 7: And I just have so much respect for him.

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Speaker 4: I need Philip Rivers micd up immediately from the time

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Speaker 7: Well, he'll have no like the plays will be the same.

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Speaker 2: That's Jack Doyle Jack Oil podcast over in the Colts

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Speaker 2: Audio Network has been a great listen all year long

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Speaker 2: with Jack and Matt Taylor and Jack's with us here

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Speaker 2: on the Payloss Slickers hotline. Jack, I don't remember. I

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Speaker 2: think it's been a trend a little bit more here

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Speaker 2: in recent years league wide, the Colts have definitely started it.

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Speaker 2: Did did Frank do walk through Wednesdays late in seasons

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Speaker 2: very often with you guys.

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Speaker 7: You know, I thinking back, we were doing walkthrough I

447
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Speaker 7: feel like we were doing them on Thursdays. I don't

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Speaker 7: know if that's right. I might be completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: Practice walk through Thursday.

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Speaker 7: Walk through, Yeah, and giving guys a day in the

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Speaker 7: middle of it was kind of our schedule. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think I think especially when they added the extra game,

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Speaker 7: I think that's probably when it became more prevalent around

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Speaker 7: the lead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bring that up. The Colts have done

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Speaker 2: the walk through Wednesday last two weeks. Since the signing

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Speaker 2: of Philip Rivers yesterday, they now have changed their practice schedule.

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Speaker 2: They'll go all three days starting today, Thursday and Friday.

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Speaker 2: Last one from me, and it's just more of a

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Speaker 2: reminiscing story the Josh Freeman Ryan Linley week for you guys.

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Speaker 2: This is I would say this is probably the most

462
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Speaker 2: dire in season weekly quarterback situation I can recall for

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Speaker 2: the Colts since that week. I forget which season, it was,

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen, something like that. What do you remember about

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Speaker 2: that week in which you guys literally had to get

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Speaker 2: two quarterbacks ready to play?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it was the last game of twenty

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Speaker 7: fifteen and yeah, we went in with I remember Clyde

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Speaker 7: going up there and kind of going through the game

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Speaker 7: plan with the quarterbacks, and Josh Freeman did all the

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Speaker 7: you know, bass stuff right, and he was running the offense.

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Speaker 7: And then Ryan Linley came in on two minute drill

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Speaker 7: and that's how they kind of prepared them both, and

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Speaker 7: they both were successful. I think Ryan Linley. I don't

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Speaker 7: know if we went down and got a touchdown, but

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Speaker 7: there was a two minute drill in that game where

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Speaker 7: I know we went down and got points. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: it worked out well. But you know, the thing that

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Speaker 7: I remember most is, you know, it was late in

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Speaker 7: the year and you know, obviously we had you know,

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Speaker 7: we had lost Andrew and then I think we had

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Speaker 7: lost and then Matt got hurt down in Miami the

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Speaker 7: game before, and you know, you kind of walk in

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Speaker 7: there with you know, your head's kind of hanging low,

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Speaker 7: and then you kind of walking back up by this

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Speaker 7: you know, new point and and and everyone's kind of

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Speaker 7: rejuvenized and and and you go out there and just

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Speaker 7: play football and see what happened. So hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 7: Philip can have that kind of effect on the on

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Speaker 7: the locker room coming in today.

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Speaker 6: Last thing I got to know, Jacket, honestly, after you

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Speaker 6: heard about this last night, you and any of your

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Speaker 6: former teammates have any kind of a text chain going

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Speaker 6: on about can you believe this? Or anything like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I was texted with Moe ali Cox

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Speaker 7: yesterday and I was just like, Mo, you could write

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Speaker 7: a book on your story as a Colts player. I mean,

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Speaker 7: all the stuff that's kind of you know, you know

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Speaker 7: going on with you know, obviously Andrew's retirement, and you know,

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Speaker 7: Jeff's Saturday coming in to coach, and then now this.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's just he's been through it in his career.

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Speaker 7: But man, it's gonna be a heck again. I have

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Speaker 7: no reason to doubt Philip Rivers. I know there's people saying,

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Speaker 7: you know, some people are laughing at this, calling it crazy,

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Speaker 7: all that fun stuff. But Philip's got to prove to

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Speaker 7: me that he can't do it, because you know, I

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Speaker 7: won't doubt that man for one second.

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Speaker 6: Good stuff, Jack, Thanks for joining us. We appreciate that

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Speaker 6: you're teaching high school right now.

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Speaker 7: Right middle school, middle school. I'm off today though, just

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Speaker 7: Monday Fridays sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jack, Thanks thanks job.

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Speaker 6: As always by the one and only, Mark dyked in

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Speaker 6: here as we get ready for our number three of

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Speaker 6: the Fan Morning Show with KBJB, Jeff Fenocourse, Mark niked

518
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Speaker 6: in that whole thing and the thing that jumps out

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Speaker 6: of me, Kevin Bones Tony Kornheiser saying, this feels a

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Speaker 6: little desperate to me. Yeah, how else would you describe it?

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Speaker 2: Desperate, entertaining, frightening, genius. Oh, I got a lot of choices.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's find out what our next guest thinks of

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Speaker 6: this whole thing. He covers the Colts as we know,

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Speaker 6: for the ESPN, and he's been a good friend of

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Speaker 6: our station for many, many, many years, and he's been

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Speaker 6: all over this story is it's been unfolding as the

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Speaker 6: rest of us have been watching. Stephen Holder joins us

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Speaker 6: now on the Payless Liquors Hotline. If you had to

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Speaker 6: choose one word to describe this, what would your word be?

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Speaker 6: Stephen Holder.

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Speaker 5: Out, Because when you're forty four, and I can relate

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Speaker 5: because I'm a few years older, everything hurts, Okay, my

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Speaker 5: neck hurts when I got up this morning. My shoulder

534
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Speaker 5: hurts a little bit because I've left a little crooked.

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Speaker 5: The back is okay today, but give it time. I

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Speaker 5: mean mean, that's life man in your mid forties. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I'm what I am here for this.

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Speaker 5: Let me just tell you as I look my whole

539
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Speaker 5: take on Sports Center yesterday, they asked me what I thought.

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Speaker 5: I said, well, I'm a storyteller and David y'all just

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Speaker 5: gave me a great story.

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Speaker 7: So let's go. Let's go. I am here for it.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what is going to come out of this,

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Speaker 7: but I am on the edge of my seat again.

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Speaker 4: We're speaking to Stephen Holder Cole supporter for ESPN and

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Speaker 4: our resident celebrity in the media room A great seat

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Speaker 4: on TV.

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Speaker 7: Stephen, I should be a lot richer if I was

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Speaker 7: a celebrity. That just doesn't calculate, But go ahead.

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Speaker 4: But speaking of celebrities, Philip Rivers certainly has a track

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Speaker 4: record and a resume that to put him in the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. I'llbe it a little bit later if

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Speaker 4: he actually joins the active roster. So let's start there, Stephen,

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Speaker 4: how realistic do you think it is for him to

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Speaker 4: get activated and join this team as their second health quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I think it's actually really seriously possible. I mean, you

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Speaker 5: think about it. You don't make that phone call unless

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Speaker 5: this is a real possibility. I think, you know, because

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Speaker 5: if you're Philip Rivers, you're not just going in there

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Speaker 5: to just you know, maybe sort of kind of if

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Speaker 5: we need you, we'll call you. Yeah, I mean, the

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Speaker 5: possibility had to be real. And I'm not suggesting that

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Speaker 5: he's definitely playing. I'm not saying that. I do think

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Speaker 5: there is still some uncertainty about Riley Leonard and whether

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Speaker 5: he can play. He hasn't been ruled out, that is

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Speaker 5: for sure, right, but they have to have a lot

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Speaker 5: of doubts. I mean you and I talked to Shane

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Speaker 5: Sdyken on Monday, and the vibe I got for him

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Speaker 5: from him was that this is a real thing.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have any answers, and he seemed like almost

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Speaker 5: admitting like, yeah, we got problems.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: You could just kind of read his body language, and

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Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta tell you. I think if if

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Speaker 5: Riley can't play, I think they go with Philip. And

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Speaker 5: this is what we're going to see on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when change got real vague about the Brett Rippon answer.

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Oh boy, they're doing something that

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Speaker 2: is out of the ordinary. Right, that was the old

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Speaker 2: what are we like?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, give us some more time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then sure enough, here we are first time Steven.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm going back, and I apologize, but you

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Speaker 2: know you were obviously on the beat. When Philip Rivers

586
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Speaker 2: did play for the Colts in twenty twenty and then

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Speaker 2: he retires. I've always heard like mixed things on that,

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Speaker 2: like did he really want to be done? Did the

589
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Speaker 2: Colts tell him they wanted to go in a younger direction?

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Speaker 2: Remember it was a two year deal originally for Rivers.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember ever getting any clarity on that?

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Speaker 7: So if I.

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Speaker 5: Recall, I think they gave him a one year deal

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Speaker 5: because it was like twenty five millions. But I know

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Speaker 5: what you're referring to, and I believe it was sort

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Speaker 5: of an unwritten second year, if you will, right, Like

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Speaker 5: it was kind of a handshake, like, well, we'll do

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Speaker 5: it on paper for one year, but the idea is,

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Speaker 5: let's give us two years so we can figure out

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Speaker 5: where we're going. And him and Frank Reich had a

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Speaker 5: similar relationship to that. Of Shane Steichen and Phillip, so

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Speaker 5: there was really, you know, a seamless transition there. I

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Speaker 5: remember the day the news came out that Philip was retiring,

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Speaker 5: he made that announcement. I had a long talk with

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Speaker 5: Frank Reich on that very day, and he was he

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Speaker 5: was bummed about it a little bit because he hadn't

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Speaker 5: quite moved on, and I don't think the Colts had either,

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Speaker 5: but they did tell Philip, we want to consider our options.

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Speaker 5: And at the time, I think that was the spring

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Speaker 5: where Matthew Stafford was out there. Obviously Carson Wentz his

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Speaker 5: situation wanting to to its apex in well, apex is

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Speaker 5: definitely the wrong word, but an end I guess in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: So there were a lot of machinations going on in

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Speaker 5: terms of quarterback, and I think the Colts were looking

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Speaker 5: at it. I think mostly Chris Ballard was looking at

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Speaker 5: it from the perspective of, look, this is not a

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Speaker 5: long term solution, and I owe it to my team

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Speaker 5: to try to find one.

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Speaker 7: I agree with that, but I.

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Speaker 5: Also think in retrospect there really wasn't a great long

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Speaker 5: term solution outside of Stafford at that moment, and they

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Speaker 5: were not willing to make that deal, or weren't able to.

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Speaker 7: Make that deal.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, Rivers in retrospect, looks like if they would have,

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Speaker 5: he looks like a better option. I'm sort of filibustering here,

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Speaker 5: but what I would finish by saying is this. I

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Speaker 5: think had they come to Philip and said we're all

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Speaker 5: in for twenty twenty one, he would be more likely

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Speaker 5: to go through with it. They gave him, They gave

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Speaker 5: him an opportunity to consider his options, and when he

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Speaker 5: did that, that's when he decided, you know what, I'm

632
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Speaker 5: fine retiring.

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Speaker 2: Okay, getting back to present day, we did see the

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Speaker 2: Colts on the transaction log yesterday. They worked out a

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Speaker 2: quarterback by the name of Seth Hennigan. I believe it's

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Speaker 2: how you say. It's undrafted free agent out of Memphis,

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Speaker 2: spent the off season. If you say so, okay, thank you.

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Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to correct me on that.

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Speaker 7: I have no idea, so you're it's fine with me.

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Speaker 7: So you never heard of the guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a drafted free agent out of Memphis Jacksonville. Spent

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Speaker 2: the off season with the Jags. I was on the

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Speaker 2: practice squad for a month. But that's it, Like they

645
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Speaker 2: didn't do the big like quarterback tryout necessarily.

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's a report out there that they might

648
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Speaker 2: have tried to get Sam Ellinger off Denver's practice squad.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know how much that has been

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Speaker 2: confirmed or not. Did you hear of any other quarterback

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Speaker 2: whispering besides just Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 7: In fact, we hadn't even heard about what's the young man's.

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Speaker 2: Name, Seth, what's called Seth?

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Speaker 5: You know, neighbor hadn't heard about Seth. Good old Seths,

656
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Speaker 5: Good luck to you, Seth. We actually were told initially

657
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: the Philip Rivers workout was just that Philip Rivers, and

658
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 5: so I think that speaks to what was said privately.

659
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: It was demonstrated by their actions, and that was they

660
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: think he's a better option than what's out there, even

661
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: better than Seth apparently, And I think, listen, I don't

662
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: know if that's going to prove to be true, but

663
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Speaker 5: I also understand how they come to that conclusion.

664
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Speaker 7: It's bad.

665
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Speaker 5: Right we are in the second week of December, all right,

666
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: there are no quarterbacks to be had at this time

667
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Speaker 5: of the year.

668
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Speaker 7: They're just aren't you.

669
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Speaker 5: Can recall I think it was I don't know, maybe

670
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: late twenty ten's do you remember the year the Colts

671
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: had I think in week seventeen had no quarterback. They

672
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: had some injuries, and they signed two guys off the street,

673
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Speaker 5: one being Josh Freeman who had been out of the

674
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: league for at least a couple of years. And I

675
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: can't even remember who the second one was.

676
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Lindley.

677
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: We actually Ryan Lindley.

678
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: We had Jack Doyle on about an hour ago. Thanks

679
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: for being flexible, Steven and Jack went over that week

680
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: because I this is the only other time Steven I

681
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: can recall the Colts bean in this die of a

682
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: quarterback situation in Agave and week since then, right.

683
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Speaker 5: And so I think that is a precedent for sure,

684
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: and it speaks to the level of desperation you're in

685
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 5: at that point. I mean, Ryan Linley was selling real

686
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: estate man and they pulled him all I think he

687
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: was in Arizona, maybe like living out in Arizona, and

688
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: they were like, hey, you want to play football this week?

689
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 7: And he was like sure.

690
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: And I think Josh Freeman was playing in some semi

691
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 5: pro league that I literally had never heard of and

692
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: I was like, this has got to be the most

693
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And they actually split those

694
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: two guys in I think one played red zone and

695
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: the other guy played the rest of the snaps. I mean,

696
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 5: this is the most ridiculed thing, but it was a

697
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: ridiculous situation. That's where they're at right now. That's how

698
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: crazy this is that that's like the only point of

699
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: reference I can even think of. So maybe Philip Rivers

700
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: is their best option.

701
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Speaker 6: Taker to stephenholderespn dot com, he covers the cults and

702
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 6: there's a lot to talk about. We've talked about health,

703
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 6: We've talked about what's going to happen to quarterback here.

704
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 6: I'm still curious how's this defense going to hold up

705
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 6: against the Seattle offense that all of a sudden with

706
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold and and some of the receivers they have

707
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Speaker 6: and certainly a capable running game. Are you worried about

708
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Speaker 6: how how many points they allow.

709
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Speaker 7: In this game?

710
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Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, they're missing probably their three best players on defense,

711
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Speaker 5: So yes, I think when you unless there's some miracle

712
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: and the Forrest Buckner gets back this week, I don't

713
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: know that it's going to necessarily transform things, but it

714
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: would help Mooney Ward being in concussion protocol. I'm sure

715
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: you know we've kind of covered that this week. That

716
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: is very concerning. This is his third time this year,

717
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: so that speaks for itself. You're not going to see

718
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 5: that guy this week, if ever, right Sauce Gardner, I

719
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 5: don't get the sense that he's in play this week.

720
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 7: And then, as I.

721
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 5: Mentioned already, the Forrest Buckner's still trying to get back, eligible.

722
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 7: To return this week, but.

723
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Speaker 5: It sounds like next week's more realistic from what I understand.

724
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: So that against that offense and the way it's been

725
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: rolling and JSN at receiver and the way that offense

726
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: has been moving, I just don't know.

727
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 7: It has the potential to be ugly.

728
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 5: There's no question about it. And the truth is, Look,

729
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: they haven't done a good enough job in the past

730
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 5: Rush and Luanna Roumo admitted that yesterday. They have covered decently,

731
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 5: but I think ultimately the personnel losses are catching up

732
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Speaker 5: to him.

733
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Speaker 7: That's what it is.

734
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: This defense was designed to be a defense that was

735
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 5: solid at all three levels with the personnel that they

736
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: had put in place, and they just they don't have

737
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 5: that personnel right now, and you need to be at

738
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: your best in a game like this, and they are not.

739
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Speaker 4: Stephen Holder.

740
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Speaker 2: One more from me.

741
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: So my colleade Dona Russini, who I love and respect,

742
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: she put out there her source that Philip Rivers is

743
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: in better shape than he was when he played. So

744
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on him being in quote unquote

745
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: top tier form physically.

746
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: They've probably been doing a little CrossFit, you know exactly.

747
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 5: I've heard good things about it. I don't know about that.

748
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 7: I will say this, Look, I don't.

749
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 5: Agree with that because I don't think that's seemingly possible.

750
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 5: But listen, I've had sources tell me things that were

751
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: ridiculous too, and I wrote them right. I didn't believe it,

752
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: but I'm like, that's what the guy said, right.

753
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 7: Fine. I will say this one of the things that

754
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 7: at least.

755
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 5: Gives some some I guess context to the idea that

756
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 5: this could potentially work. Potentially, Philip Rivers couldn't move when

757
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: he was here. Okay, he not only was emobile, he

758
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 5: was emobile and I think with a stress factor in

759
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: his foot. So what are we talking about. We're talking

760
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 5: about a guy who never left the pocket, like ever,

761
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: he's he is the same guy now in that respect,

762
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Speaker 5: so we'll see.

763
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's not exactly the same.

764
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: You obviously have to be able to navigate the pocket,

765
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 5: even if you're not running and necessarily away from the defense,

766
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 5: you still need to be able to slide, move, navigate

767
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 5: and and those are the things that I think are

768
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: still a big question mark, you know, given how long

769
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: he's been out of the game.

770
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Speaker 7: But we will see.

771
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 5: He was not though, the most fleetful footed guy to

772
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: begin with, so you know, we'll see how much he's

773
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Speaker 5: fallen off.

774
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Speaker 2: Steven last one for me and again appreciate the time

775
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: and being flexible here with us on this Wednesday morning.

776
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Speaker 2: We could be looking at Philip Rivers starting the final

777
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Speaker 2: four weeks of the season. We could be looking at

778
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard, you know, starting at some point again or

779
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: I guess so would be his first start, but starting

780
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: as well. So you know, given that context, how much

781
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: do you think the final four weeks of the season,

782
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: with the Cults likely needing two three wins to give

783
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: in the postseason, how much do you think it matters

784
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: for the future of Chris Boward and or shaneesteiken.

785
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 7: Man this is what I believe.

786
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 5: I think if you are Curly Orsa and her sisters,

787
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 5: Curly Orse Gordon and her sisters, I think you have

788
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: a good sense of what your intentions are now. I

789
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: don't think you can let these last four games truly

790
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: change your position.

791
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 7: And I don't know what's the.

792
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: Right move, right, but I think you have to go

793
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 5: with wherever you're at now, because if you're swayed by this,

794
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: you're not getting an accurate depiction of anything.

795
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 7: What are we even looking at? You know what I mean? Like,

796
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 7: what is this?

797
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: This is a train wreck. The building's on fire, you

798
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So like we can't make any

799
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 5: judgments on that. I don't think as much as I'm

800
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 5: not defending Chris Ballad or saying psyching like get him

801
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: out of the tailspin, right, But at the same time,

802
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 5: you know what are we talking about? This is not

803
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: This is not a true depiction of anything, and I

804
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: don't think it really tells you anything about your team.

805
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 5: So I would say the right move, whatever it is,

806
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: is to not put a lot of weight into what

807
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: happens down the stretch here, because it's kind.

808
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 7: Of like not real. I mean, Philip Rivers is playing quarterback.

809
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 7: That's all we need to say.

810
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 6: It's kind of not real. I'm going to put that

811
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Speaker 6: up on a wall somewhere.

812
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 5: That was like a bumper sticker, right. I think about

813
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: that every day. That's your logan for life. Like everything

814
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 5: you see happening in the world. Yeah, this isn't real.

815
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 6: Well it's going to be real on Sunday afternoons. Steven,

816
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 6: thanks for stopping by again. Thanks for being flexible today.

817
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 6: We'll talk to you soon, all right, see you guys.

818
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: It's really amazing because I've covered this league for twenty

819
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: years now and Indiana it's the ultimate Cinderella story. Last

820
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: year was the completely glass slipper, the pumpkins and everything

821
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: for Indiana to do what it did. But this year

822
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: you look at Indiana and the way it competed against

823
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: Ohio State, and if you remove the forks, the IU

824
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: off the helmet and put a running w from Wisconsin

825
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: or somebody else, you would have never have guessed that

826
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: that's the team out there because they were so good

827
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: and they were able to handle Ohio State in the trenches.

828
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: They of course had the best quarterback and best player

829
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: in college football on their team and they did it

830
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: without maybe their best receiver, Omar Cooper. I mean, I'm

831
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: blown away to see what Kirk Signetty has been able

832
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: to do with Indiana, because it's just this.

833
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: Was not a team.

834
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: They've had stretches, slashes here and there in Swan Randall

835
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: ll James Harvey Era even to love each other a

836
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: few years ago with Tom Allen, and like this, they

837
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: are legitimately the best team in the country right now.

838
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: Scott, I know you were boots on the ground here

839
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: Indianapolis for the Big Ten Championship and for those who

840
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: wanted to be in there indoor and obviously would have

841
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: loved to be a part of that scene. Can you

842
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 4: just describe what it was like to see that sort

843
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: of reaction and I know you interviewed like a fan

844
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: who came with his you know, daughter, and there were tears.

845
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: So just set the scene for us for one of

846
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 4: the more ridiculous, crazy great heights in Collegetable history.

847
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: You know, it was an amazing atmosphere because as we know,

848
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: I mean.

849
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 6: Hey, Scott, can we call you right back? We're having

850
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 6: a really hard time understanding on this on this phone,

851
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 6: Like we call you right back? Yeah, I think it

852
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 6: just died altogether.

853
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 7: So that solved that problem. We're trying to get it

854
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 7: back back.

855
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's sounded like Ohio State's offense trying to

856
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: move against Brian Haynes a company.

857
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: Honestly, good job, big third and one stop and actually

858
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: I think they had two of them.

859
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: Who killed one third and one they threw the love

860
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: or out love Jeremiah, I'm thinking of jem Jeremiah Smith

861
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: and the end zone. Great coverage there and then saying

862
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: that was a weird QB sneak like I couldn't tell

863
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: I fee like slipped or what. But Indian obviously did

864
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: a great job there, and then of course you had

865
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: to kick on the last one.

866
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 6: All Right, we've got him back now, Scott. And then

867
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: James was asking you about that that great story that

868
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 6: you had written.

869
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the same there in the Big Ten Championship

870
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: at Lucas Osadam, can you describe what it was like?

871
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 7: It was amazing.

872
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: I mean you look at the crowd itself. I mean,

873
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: Ohio State's just down the road and they traveled better

874
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: than any other fan base in America. But to see

875
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: the way both sides just kind of exploded through each

876
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: and every play seemingly was incredible. But one thing that

877
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: really stood out to me versus even the other Big

878
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: Ten Championships or bowl games that covered, was the Indiana

879
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: fans did want to leave. I mean, half hour forty

880
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: five minutes after the game, I'm still out on the field,

881
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm talking to fans, and there's still thousands of fans staying,

882
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 3: like wanting to soak up every ounce of every moment

883
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: that you saw of this incredible event. And the players

884
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: were so ecstatic they all wore these Big Ten medals

885
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: around their neck. I remember Tyreek Tucker when he walked

886
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: into his the interviews. The first thing he did was

887
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: he pulled over Indiana Big Ten Championship t shirt over

888
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: his pads, just because he wanted to just show he

889
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: was so proud of himself. But there were tears. There

890
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: was just so much joy and energy. And I don't

891
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: know what that means for Indiana going forward. They've got

892
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: an incredible story to try to finish here. But what

893
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: it transpired in Indianapolis was truly a magical night. And

894
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody who was there or witnessed it

895
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: will ever forget it.

896
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: And that's Scott document from the Athletic great scene setting

897
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: from Saturday night in certainly what is a night that

898
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: many people in the state will never ever forget. Scott,

899
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: do you have a Heisman vote?

900
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, and I turned it in after that

901
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: game that I can't I can't officially reveal it until

902
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: Saturday night, but I can tell you that I hedged

903
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: my vote on depending who the winning quarterback was, and

904
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: I'll just kind of leave it at that.

905
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: I go.

906
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

907
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: We debated a little bit earlier in the show. You

908
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: guys had up on the Athletic via that Heisman straw poll,

909
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: and I believe it was twenty five votes and fourteen

910
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: of them went to Fernado Mendoza, with I think it

911
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: was eleven or maybe ten going to Pavia and one

912
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: going to Jeremiah Love. Were you surprised to see it

913
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: that close? Like Diego Pavia, you know what, just a

914
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: couple of votes away from you know, winning your guys

915
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: version of the much much taper down nine hundred and

916
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: thirty votes of the Heisman.

917
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 7: A little bit.

918
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: But I guess what I look at is, I mean,

919
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: we're all we all live in different regions of the

920
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: country and cover different people, and and I think, you know,

921
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: we have a lot of people who also work and

922
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: live in the South. And Diego Pavia has had an

923
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: incredible on an incredible season, and himself, I mean, coming

924
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: from New Mexico, and uh, you know, he's you know,

925
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: he's combined for more than four thousand yards passing and running,

926
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: and and you know, Vanderbilt, you know, kind of in

927
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: the shadow of maybe Indiana. I mean, it's had an

928
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: amazing year, ten wins for the first time in school history,

929
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: six wins in the SEC. It's never done that before.

930
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: And and he's just he's kind of a different, different guy,

931
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: let's put it that way. And I think he calvinized

932
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the South. But I'll say this,

933
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen and covered Indiana three times this year,

934
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 3: and one was the blowout against Illinois, which he, Foranana

935
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Mendoza could not have could not have missed. I mean,

936
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: he was he was throwing bebes out there.

937
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh tell me, brother, I'm in Illinois alone. Fifty three

938
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 4: point loss.

939
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 7: It ain't hurt me. It was.

940
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: It was so surprising because, uh, I mean, basically, my

941
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: whole next week was going to be the pay it

942
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: was going to be embedded with the winner. It was

943
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: going to be either staying in Bloomington area or I

944
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: was going to go to Champagne and and so to

945
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: see Illinois get blasted like that was really surprising. And

946
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: then the next week I covered Indiana play in Iowa

947
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: and they faced a lot of adversity that day. I mean,

948
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: Iowa is a really good team for being eight and

949
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: four and punched them in the face, and Mendozo was struggling.

950
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a lot of blitzing that went

951
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: right in his face, and yet he hit a forty

952
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: nine yard touchdown pass to win the game inside the

953
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: final two minutes. And then of course the other day

954
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: against you know, the bully of the Big Ten, you know,

955
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: the flagship program, and to not only lead him on

956
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: the game winning drive in the third quarter ultimately, but

957
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: then that big pass to Charlie Becker that that's kind

958
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: of feeled the game late. I mean, it's just it

959
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: was just a remarkable run for Fernando Mendoza. I mean,

960
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: you know, I think Curtis Rock was a really good

961
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: quarterback for IU last year, did a lot of really

962
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: good things. Plus he was injured, so I don't want

963
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: to take anything away from him, but what Fernando Mendoza does.

964
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: He tips the field. He's got a huge arm, he

965
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: can hit every pass, and he's just he's a different personality.

966
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he and some of his teammates

967
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: will kind of call him a nerd, and it's kind

968
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: of true. But he's really earnest and I think he's

969
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: absolutely the leader that Indiana needs and could take him

970
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: to it all the way to the final Monday Night.

971
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 6: Scott Docerman, the Athletic joining us here on the Fan

972
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 6: Morning Show. I want to go back to something you

973
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 6: kind of mentioned very early here, kind of the look

974
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 6: and feel of this team, Like you've covered college football

975
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 6: for a long long time, and when I watch Indiana play,

976
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 6: they are physical, they are fast, They look to me

977
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 6: on the eye test like a top five college football team.

978
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 6: And you see Ohio State doing You talked about the

979
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: third and ones, but Ohio State's reverting to gadget plays

980
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 6: to try to get something going at one point in time.

981
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 6: How surprised have you been to see Indiana literally just

982
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 6: line up nose to nose with everybody and go, Okay,

983
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: we're going to be bigger and tougher than you are.

984
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: It's a shock and it's really a helpful product of

985
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: the NIL system that you're able to acquire those players

986
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: and put along the line of scrimmage and be able

987
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: to go toe to toe with Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa,

988
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: Michigan last year and teams like that and be able

989
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: to have that kind of success, and it speaks to

990
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: the fundamentals that they're in. But on the other day,

991
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, nine tackles for loss against the

992
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 3: Ohio State held in the fifty eight yards rushing that line,

993
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: the front wall was very physical at the point of attack.

994
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: They were able to stonewall Ohio State's running game, which

995
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: was really good. And of course that they're great on

996
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: every level of defense. And then you know, conversely on

997
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage on the offensive side, I mean,

998
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: you know, Carter Smith's maybe the best offensive lineman in

999
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: the country. They were one of the three finalists for

1000
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: the Joe More Award, is the best offensive line in

1001
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: the country. And that's something that couldn't have been done

1002
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: without NIL and the transfer portal. I mean, if like

1003
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Kevin Wilson became coach to you ten is years ago,

1004
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he was able to transform the offense really

1005
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 3: quickly and it was really exciting. But you just couldn't

1006
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: line up along the line of scrimmage because you have

1007
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: to have a developmental type program that can build those

1008
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: players unless you can acquire them through the transfer portal.

1009
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: And then what's they were there and in place, and

1010
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti and Brian Haynes, obviously on the defensive side,

1011
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: you know they're able to put it all together and

1012
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: be so fundamentally sound and physical. I mean, that's just rare,

1013
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: and it just shows you how inc incredible of a

1014
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: coaching job they've done, because you can't do that without

1015
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: being so technically proficient that in the way the Indiana is.

1016
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 6: Thanks for stopping by today. We really appreciate your viewpoint,

1017
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 6: and keep up the good work over at the Athletic

1018
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 6: and we'll talk to you again soon.

1019
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks for having me, appreciate you