Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Today we have Nick Duce, even though he don't go
Speaker 2: by that no more growing job, trying to keep pulling
Speaker 2: me back though. That other voice you hear is Ken Gola.
Speaker 3: And Mike c. Town Yo, and.
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Speaker 3: You know that type of bullshit, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this time we're doing Daredevil Born Against season two.
Speaker 2: I think all four of us were on the last
Speaker 2: season we did season one. I think it was just
Speaker 2: the four of us then, So we're back at it
Speaker 2: a year later. And before we get into the review,
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Speaker 2: let's get into the review, very very first question, how'd
Speaker 2: y'all feel about this?
Speaker 3: Nick the thoughts? I liked it more than the first season,
Speaker 3: but the way they ended it was.
Speaker 2: I needed to have a counsel of people to talk
Speaker 2: about how they ended it, So I'm glad I'm talking
Speaker 2: about with y'all.
Speaker 3: But overall, I would say it's it's getting better.
Speaker 2: It's not it wasn't a bad season, but it's that
Speaker 2: wasn't saying too much after the first season.
Speaker 3: So I liked it. I think it was good Mike feeling, Bro,
Speaker 3: you can have this man, you can have this ship.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: This is Daredevil's sleep again.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: But and it's not it's not even that it's a
Speaker 3: bad show.
Speaker 2: It's just so fucking boring. But I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: excited for season three unless they bring in some different writers.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't bother to look. I don't know if
Speaker 2: these are the same writers from the Netflix ship. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming not but they need to call those guys, bro,
Speaker 2: they need to beg them, like, please help us, because
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to watch another fucking
Speaker 2: season of Law and Order at all.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Originally was supposed to be like both is supposed to
Speaker 2: be in the courtroom like, well, I'm.
Speaker 3: Glad they changed.
Speaker 2: Well. Actually, the first season I don't remember liking either.
Speaker 2: I don't think I hated it or anything, but I
Speaker 2: don't remember liking the first season. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I might have liked this one less bro, mm hmm,
Speaker 2: how you feeling again?
Speaker 4: I was like you for like the first half of it,
Speaker 4: probably a little bit more, honestly, like more than half.
Speaker 4: But I do like the way it closed, and I
Speaker 4: do like what they may be setting up for for
Speaker 4: that season. But it was a very very slow dialogue.
Speaker 4: Shit was barely moving like season you know. At certain
Speaker 4: points it felt like they really could have condenced it
Speaker 4: to six, you know. But but yeah, they dragged out
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff. But overall, I like the way
Speaker 4: it ended. I think it gave me hope.
Speaker 2: Shits so sleepy, I got might be yan and rub
Speaker 2: his eyes right now on the review.
Speaker 3: That's crazy just thinking about this shit I want now.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of with Mike, Man, this is a nah
Speaker 3: for me. I just.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, Bro, don't feel like the
Speaker 2: Daredevil Netflix show. I know I should probably ease that
Speaker 2: expectation off of it, but it's just like that shit's good,
Speaker 2: that shit's so good, what the hell are we doing it?
Speaker 2: On top of that, this was coming out at the
Speaker 2: same time. I can't remember now a day the day
Speaker 2: of or the day after of Invincible and the Boys.
Speaker 2: So like, I'm waking up like and I'm watching this
Speaker 2: and I'm watching i'm shows and I'm like, Jared Devil
Speaker 2: was the one. I'm like, I will take my time
Speaker 2: to get to it, maybe Friday or Saturday. Like I'm
Speaker 2: not in a rush to watch it at all. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the season finale was cool. I could get
Speaker 2: it cool. But I don't know, man, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's the editing to the editing seems shoppy, like
Speaker 2: the pace and it's kind of off. It's just like
Speaker 2: it just feels this. It feels like a Frankenstein of
Speaker 2: what Dare Devil should be. Can I ask, though, did
Speaker 2: it get better.
Speaker 3: From last season?
Speaker 2: Though? Like, would you say like, if you had to
Speaker 2: just if you only just watch these two seasons, you'd
Speaker 2: be like, which one is the better season?
Speaker 3: Can you not say like it got better? Because that's
Speaker 3: that's the basis of my artist.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not necessarily terribly against what y'all saying,
Speaker 2: but I'm feeling like I see where they're going, and
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to ease back into that Netflix
Speaker 2: world or that Netflix writing style, but they since they
Speaker 2: fucked up so much, it's like, we can't go from
Speaker 2: zero to sixty like we got it because they literally, Mike,
Speaker 2: they bringing the whole band back together, don't.
Speaker 3: We don't want that band. That band sucks, The band
Speaker 3: is terrible.
Speaker 2: We don't want them. We just want Daredevil. Well I
Speaker 2: can say we I don't. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: about seeing Iron Fist. I like Jessica Jones, I didn't
Speaker 2: really give a ship that Luke Cage.
Speaker 3: Walked in as an absentee. Father. I'm tired that you work.
Speaker 3: Mike wasn't was at work.
Speaker 1: He was at work.
Speaker 3: He was at work overseas. Bro they ask overseas to work,
Speaker 3: And is the crazy part?
Speaker 2: You rug and got replaced and got replaced come.
Speaker 1: On, he los his job.
Speaker 3: He basically did. He came. Yeah, it was brought ship.
Speaker 3: Like it's not like the stereotypical nigga with a second family.
Speaker 2: He listen, I had to go overseas for a few months.
Speaker 3: You are goddamn lying, You're after the Connecticut. You're lying,
Speaker 3: asked mofucker.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, bro, I don't know who they got
Speaker 2: right in this, but it's it's not it's not great.
Speaker 3: It's not great, and Nick, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was better. I think it's just
Speaker 2: the same. Like last season was pretty much cool. It
Speaker 2: was just like it wasn't It just wasn't on par
Speaker 2: with the Netflix show. It wasn't bad. I know you
Speaker 2: probably think it was bad, but it was like cool.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I was halfway anticipating this season because I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, maybe they're setting up something crazy, because the
Speaker 2: way season one ended, it's like, all right, maybe something criss.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, let's see what you can
Speaker 3: do with this.
Speaker 2: And that it was there, but it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: the city actually was like heavily against it. It was
Speaker 2: a weird dynamic. It was like we're making a political
Speaker 2: statement and not at the same time, it's like, ye.
Speaker 3: All right, cool, I don't I don't know what y'all
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a fan of this.
Speaker 3: Well, did you watch the Netflix show? Nick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like what this is is them like
Speaker 2: and yeah, we do have to stop. I guess we
Speaker 2: have to stop comparing it. But it's just hard though,
Speaker 2: because the Netflix show was so good. But what I
Speaker 2: what I would think is happening here is you're getting
Speaker 2: used to it not being anywhere near as good as
Speaker 2: a Netflix show. Yes, that's why we hated the first
Speaker 2: season so much, or dislike the first season so much.
Speaker 2: It's because it was nothing like the Netflix show. And
Speaker 2: now we're just kind of settling into how fucking dry
Speaker 2: and boring this shit is. So that's probably what's making
Speaker 2: this season not feel that bad. But yeah, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of with Jalen. It felt very similar to me, at
Speaker 2: least to the to the first season. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Once I saw the first season, we talked about it.
Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, they clearly are just they just
Speaker 2: get you know, it looked the same on the outside,
Speaker 2: but it's different on the inside. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: again that's why they're bringing the band back together and
Speaker 2: trying to just get all those viewership more so than
Speaker 2: actual viewership by stories of viewership by visuals. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think and they all and you saw this
Speaker 2: season they try to piece in like certain things from
Speaker 2: the Netflix series to like, hey, remember when we used
Speaker 2: to be good that kind of stuff. So that's why
Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's not gonna be like that, but
Speaker 2: it did. It did just get better. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I got to give you kudos for that.
Speaker 3: So we're all a time quinch a little bit. But
Speaker 3: instead of going.
Speaker 2: Beat by beat, no, instead of going beat by beat,
Speaker 2: because I mean, if we don't beat by beat when
Speaker 2: I do it over a hour and a half and
Speaker 2: we don't really have that time anyway, people do a
Speaker 2: little bit more of like a more rounded review. There
Speaker 2: are some episodes were jumping in out, but y'all just
Speaker 2: feel free to we just like an open discussion about it.
Speaker 3: Do y'all feel like.
Speaker 2: This tone is that fits with the MCU is at
Speaker 2: least trying to do like they're trying to find the
Speaker 2: middle ground of having a darker tone but still keeping
Speaker 2: the MCU feel. Is it possible to do that with
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 4: I think this would be the show to do it
Speaker 4: with if they can find a way to pull it off.
Speaker 4: You know, it's New York, is violent, is dark, its grimy,
Speaker 4: and what better place to do it. It's you know, Gotham, right,
Speaker 4: But I think this would be the show if they
Speaker 4: if they were trying to pull that off, if they
Speaker 4: were going for that that sort of feel.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 3: I'd rather see it with Punisher.
Speaker 2: If they fuck up Punisher the way that they're doing
Speaker 2: this ship, Like if if Punisher is just walking around
Speaker 2: having conversations with people or helping feed the homeless or
Speaker 2: some ship, I'm out.
Speaker 3: I'm out they could have.
Speaker 2: They could have I guess my my my thing, with
Speaker 2: your with your with your question jalen Is. I do
Speaker 2: think the tone could work, but it's too uneven with
Speaker 2: this show. It's like they don't know which one they
Speaker 2: want to commit to. It's like, oh, we want to
Speaker 2: appeal to the people that like the old show, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, we want to do our own thing.
Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, well, just fucking pick one then,
Speaker 2: because you know you can't do what that Netflix show did.
Speaker 2: You know you can't and at this point, you're fucking
Speaker 2: wasting these actors time. Like I forget the guy's name, Cox,
Speaker 2: whatever his name is. He's so good, he's so fucking
Speaker 2: good as Daredevil, and when you put him in these
Speaker 2: darker tones, it's perfect.
Speaker 3: He's great at it. But then you throwing Karen old.
Speaker 2: Raggedy ass here fucking running around, fucking drop kicking, and.
Speaker 3: Ship gets this motherfucker the fuck out of here. Bro.
Speaker 3: I would have rather see that little girl that was
Speaker 3: the fucking tiger. I'd rather see her running the white
Speaker 3: white tiger. I'm not I'm not taking care.
Speaker 2: I'll be Karen Well, I should say that, but you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, she ain't no tough guy, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not buying Karen beating people up. That is her name, right, Karen,
Speaker 2: the white woman named Karen beating people up? In the.
Speaker 1: About that.
Speaker 4: She did that a V A V T y guy
Speaker 4: in the final episode, did she stuck up behind him
Speaker 4: though she god, I don't even remember, and just hit him.
Speaker 4: She didn't shoot him, No, No, she did shoot him.
Speaker 4: I was surprised that, nah, I was surprised that Karen
Speaker 4: was out here doing jiu jitsu or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: But she was chopping on what. I'm like, she's fighting. No,
Speaker 1: but you know she got it rough man, she herself.
Speaker 1: Uh did she get beat up A few times? She did.
Speaker 2: She got she got slacked around by the therapist that
Speaker 2: she was funny.
Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, real talk, Mike, real talk. My sister's watch.
Speaker 2: Have been watching any and everything since I gave them
Speaker 2: my passwords to all my streaming service and stuff. They
Speaker 2: told me they was like, Nick, we try to watch
Speaker 2: their double, but he could not.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the Netflix one. We couldn't get. We
Speaker 3: couldn't get past Karen.
Speaker 2: I was like, they said, Karen was so upsetting as
Speaker 2: a character they could even do that.
Speaker 3: So I can imagine them watch.
Speaker 2: My dad has been my biggest gripe, Like it just
Speaker 2: feels like and when she does that silent acting, when
Speaker 2: she's not like, when she's not saying anything and they
Speaker 2: just like have the camera on her, I'd be like, bro,
Speaker 2: please stop. She's not that great. She's not that great
Speaker 2: for y'all to.
Speaker 3: Be doing that. And they don't develop her.
Speaker 2: They didn't develop her character in a way that was believable, right,
Speaker 2: all right, And her and her acting didn't help it. No,
Speaker 2: it just was like and honestly off the stream man
Speaker 2: honestly Jalen in season one, if Bullseye was tasked to
Speaker 2: kill Karen instead of Foggy. To me, this this because
Speaker 2: the scene the episode where we get Foggy and Matt
Speaker 2: back together, it's like.
Speaker 3: Brit killed the wrong motherfucker.
Speaker 2: You you still would have had their double caring about
Speaker 2: or being upset with Bullseye and like, you kill the
Speaker 2: love of my life and then you was, but you
Speaker 2: still would have the relationship with him and Foggy and
Speaker 2: being able to do their cases. Like, because what they're
Speaker 2: trying to do with this black girl kid, it ain't working.
Speaker 3: Black girl the lawyer, get out of here, Nick.
Speaker 1: She was so bad she had to go get help
Speaker 1: for her last trip.
Speaker 4: Granted fisted by the jury, but she went back in there,
Speaker 4: bro like caring in trouble.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever agree with you more, Nick,
Speaker 2: because that was my exact feelings with this, is they
Speaker 2: killed the wrong person. We don't need care. Matt has
Speaker 2: so many women this for a blind motherfucker, he has
Speaker 2: so many.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous how many women in blind and is blind man?
Speaker 2: So but he doesn't have that many best friends Hey,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, Mike, Hey, Nick, I'm about to
Speaker 2: start acting like that episode of Steve Harvey, the way
Speaker 2: Mac that Nigga was blind and he had that girl
Speaker 2: he was blind.
Speaker 3: Show. I know exactly that she was bad too, Mike.
Speaker 4: She was.
Speaker 3: I've seen every episode of Steve Harvey. It was blind.
Speaker 3: It was when he was his friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the woman who played Bernie Max's wife
Speaker 2: on the Bernie Max Show.
Speaker 3: Okay, he was trying to he was trying to get
Speaker 3: with her, but she thought.
Speaker 1: He was blind.
Speaker 3: Steve was pretending to be blonde. I'm not doing the
Speaker 3: way Mac getting him like this. It was insane.
Speaker 4: And don't don't forget Doctor Glenn was his too, the
Speaker 4: one that slept Caaren.
Speaker 2: That's why she she's like this before.
Speaker 3: He better be.
Speaker 2: Blonde because, heybody, she ain't had no d like like
Speaker 2: that talk about Look, Matt walked around every single one
Speaker 2: of these went back. I'm sorry, I can't control my
Speaker 2: never mind me stop, let me stop. But no, you're right.
Speaker 2: They should have kept foggy. I know it's I know
Speaker 2: it's from the comics, but I don't care y'all all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Exactly. They should have killed Karen exactly, because.
Speaker 2: Again, like I I'm giving this show a lot of
Speaker 2: grace and I'm grading on a curve, but for what
Speaker 2: they did, it was just kind of like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: see where you're going to your question, Jalen. I do
Speaker 2: agree with Mike though, like they are half stepping all
Speaker 2: of this, and I'm nervous about the punishing thing that's
Speaker 2: dropping tomorrow as we're recording this, because it's like, granted,
Speaker 2: heat John Burnhal wrote it and the guy that he
Speaker 2: wrote it with is directing it. So if it got
Speaker 2: passed through and said like we'll let you do your
Speaker 2: punisher thing, then.
Speaker 3: Maybe it'll be great.
Speaker 2: But what they did with Dear Devil was like, bro,
Speaker 2: just let it be dark. I don't understand why, Like
Speaker 2: you have Disney Plus, you put the parental of Riseries
Speaker 2: on it, like it's it's its own show, it has
Speaker 2: its own audience. You clearly know that the audience from
Speaker 2: the Netflix loved the gore, love the violence, love the
Speaker 2: cursing and all that. Like trying to make this ship
Speaker 2: like every episode start off with the bad Report Daytime Ship.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't I don't give it, Like if
Speaker 2: we're just gonna talk about the characters we don't like.
Speaker 2: I ain't give a fuck about Can, I ain't give
Speaker 2: a fuck about Babie. And I did not like how
Speaker 2: they did the Black Lawyer girl because it was just
Speaker 2: like she was just in a nothing part. They let
Speaker 2: the they let Cherry just have a heart attack like
Speaker 2: he was red Fox.
Speaker 3: Took him out the show.
Speaker 2: I was just like, and and so that's where I
Speaker 2: was gonna start to like the season opened up with
Speaker 2: the Northern Star and the ship like sinking and dar
Speaker 2: Devil being on the ship, but also like some of
Speaker 2: the political background and.
Speaker 3: And who was the Jack du Quays how you say
Speaker 3: his name?
Speaker 2: He was on trial?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on trial during this and you know,
Speaker 2: as a vigilante did the ATF and all the political stuff?
Speaker 2: Was it too much for like, just too much of
Speaker 2: that going on and took away from the show. Or
Speaker 2: did y'all feel like it worked? Like especially when it
Speaker 2: first opened up? How did y'all feel in the very
Speaker 2: first episode?
Speaker 4: I think I struggled with the politics. Yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I struggled with the politics part of this this show.
Speaker 4: It wasn't really interesting enough. And I don't and you know,
Speaker 4: with the whole fake ass ice running around the city,
Speaker 4: you know, the whole sort of martial law that they
Speaker 4: were supposed to be under. It didn't really feel like
Speaker 4: that for the most part. And you know, he had
Speaker 4: political enemies, but they were sort of powerless. You have
Speaker 4: mister Charles come in and he immediately put Fisk. Uh no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you have the ag come in. We tried to put
Speaker 4: Fisk in his place, and he was neutered by mister Charles,
Speaker 4: and mister Charles ultimately ended up being nobody by the
Speaker 4: end of the show as well. So the political part
Speaker 4: of the show, and that was that was like Fiscus
Speaker 4: fist hour in this in this show, outside of the
Speaker 4: moments when he did fight.
Speaker 1: But it just it didn't work for me. That was
Speaker 1: the issue that I had and why it was slow
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: As as much as I hate the current political landscape
Speaker 2: we're in right now in the US, I don't know
Speaker 2: that I need every single show to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is this is what's happening in the US.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, Like I feel like if they did it well,
Speaker 2: like I would be I would be into it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: the fake ass ice. I couldn't get with it. It
Speaker 2: just it just felt very cheap. Like I'm assuming Punisher
Speaker 2: is probably gonna do something very similar, but I'm thinking
Speaker 2: it's gonna be better. But this, with this the anti vigilante,
Speaker 2: I was just I was not into it. It felt corny.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you said that, like, because it's like every
Speaker 2: superhero show is now doing like yep, talking about things
Speaker 2: from a political sense. And granted we're in the Marvel
Speaker 2: univers it's it's in real cities, so like you can imagine, like,
Speaker 2: I'll be interesting to see what New Yorkers feel about this.
Speaker 2: But overall, with this season made me realize not just
Speaker 2: the ATF but like the stuff you were talking about, Kim.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm actually more nervous about season three because
Speaker 2: Fisk is gonna be essentially.
Speaker 3: Not there anymore.
Speaker 2: And I think we dealt with this a little bit
Speaker 2: in the Netflix series when they took Fisk away for
Speaker 2: a large chunk of the season.
Speaker 3: I think it was a season.
Speaker 2: Two Maybe I'm interested seeing how they move and operate
Speaker 2: when you don't have two really great actors trying to
Speaker 2: pull their best out of whatever's the written material is,
Speaker 2: and like, we're trying to focus on a new villain.
Speaker 2: Now Matt's in jail, so are we gonna do more
Speaker 2: Law and Order where he represents himself? And you know,
Speaker 2: that's probably half the season, and then obviously we won't
Speaker 2: have cameos from Punisher or even maybe even Karen will
Speaker 2: get something else. I'm just I'm more nervous as this ended,
Speaker 2: because Wilson Fisk is now like pretty much if you
Speaker 2: take him out of this series or this or any seasons,
Speaker 2: it's like, what do we have left? And you already
Speaker 2: made a whole political season, so you can't go back
Speaker 2: to that will It's like what else are we doing?
Speaker 3: Because what they did do was decent, at least for me.
Speaker 2: But I also see that the void is gonna happen
Speaker 2: now that Fisk is ostracized and basically banished from New York,
Speaker 2: So then who were who?
Speaker 3: Where does the Devil go moving forward?
Speaker 2: Is more of my question based on how this season went,
Speaker 2: and I don't try based on everything we talk about,
Speaker 2: I don't trust them, and I don't think we all
Speaker 2: trust him either.
Speaker 3: I don't think my issue.
Speaker 2: I guess because I really don't care about season three
Speaker 2: at this point. It is what it is, Like I'll
Speaker 2: probably wait till it's done to watch it, but I
Speaker 2: don't think that's that big of an issue for me
Speaker 2: without Fisk, Like as much as I love I can't
Speaker 2: Vincent's yeah, his acting, as much as I love him
Speaker 2: as Wilson Fisk, I can still see Daredevil without him
Speaker 2: being the main folk. Like there's multiple stories you can say,
Speaker 2: especially with his identity being known now, Like there's multiple
Speaker 2: stories you could you could work from there. You can
Speaker 2: make things interesting. I don't trust them to make it interesting,
Speaker 2: but you definitely can make interesting storage from this point,
Speaker 2: this this task force thing, Like I'm happy with Mike.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily need my political statements and shows because
Speaker 2: I know what's going on outside. But it's a lot
Speaker 2: of dumb motherfuckers who do need to see this. So
Speaker 2: that's why it's like I don't really need to see it,
Speaker 2: but I think it's a lot of dumb motherfuckers that
Speaker 2: do need to see it, So I don't mind it
Speaker 2: as much. You just have to execute it and make
Speaker 2: it done, like make it be good. Right, This is
Speaker 2: like Mike, it's been choppy, like there's times where I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, what are ya gonna do next with that?
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thready'all are pulling on it, and they
Speaker 2: don't really go far enough, or the editing or the
Speaker 2: pacing just goes somewhere totally different, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: then I can't get invested in this. So I'm not
Speaker 2: too I'm kind of torn on even the question I
Speaker 2: asked y'all is how does it work? There was an
Speaker 2: opportunity here, It was an opportunity here, and they kind
Speaker 2: of wasted it. So yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: for if we were actually complaining about political stuff being
Speaker 2: in a Marvel show, we kind of sound like hypocrites
Speaker 2: because we all know that that was in them. But
Speaker 2: like you said, Jalen is just like just do it well,
Speaker 2: like do it well, like the way they have the
Speaker 2: main cop, Like yeah, there are a lot of cops
Speaker 2: that are like that. But the way that they portrayed
Speaker 2: him on this show was just so hokey, and he's
Speaker 2: just like he's just so evil, he's so dark, and
Speaker 2: he walks into the diner and he slaps.
Speaker 3: Women and it's like bro, all right, man, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, this happens, but y'all are making this so
Speaker 2: over the top that like it's just not really that
Speaker 2: believable and it's not very compelling because it's he's such
Speaker 2: a corny comic book villain at this point, Mike, he
Speaker 2: that specific actor is typecast because he plays the same
Speaker 2: character in the show called Mayor of Kingstown. I think
Speaker 2: you actually right, yeah, and he plays literally the exact
Speaker 2: same role. So like they just basically pop them into
Speaker 2: this to say, do what you did in Kingstown because
Speaker 2: that's probably gonna bring more authenticity to everything. But uh,
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like I don't at
Speaker 2: this point in time, I'm kind of used to seeing
Speaker 2: this kind of political storylines and fictional shows.
Speaker 3: So it's just like, all right, it is what it
Speaker 3: is again. Where we end off this season is whereas
Speaker 3: like we did all that for this.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, Jayla, that's what I'm like, brouh,
Speaker 2: he fucked up everything.
Speaker 3: We'll get to it. We'll get to it, all right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's episode one.
Speaker 2: But y'all said, y'all pulled in that all from episode
Speaker 2: one where y'all like did get y'all like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm invested in the show. I'm excited that I came
Speaker 2: back on episode four.
Speaker 3: I was like, y'all not about to waste my fucking time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I remember Dared Devil moves kind of slow.
Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of action, so yeah, I
Speaker 4: was like, all right, I'll wait.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Episode one ended with Cherry like like Nick said, having
Speaker 2: a heart attack and uh buys I basically killing two
Speaker 2: people that ended up seeing the Devil was identity in
Speaker 2: the first episode. That that part there was like, I
Speaker 2: was like, are y'all about to have his identity revealed
Speaker 2: in the first episode? And then when they got killed, like,
Speaker 2: oh man, yeah whatever, Like but yeah, episode two, we
Speaker 2: transitioned to where Fist begins to access the people of
Speaker 2: New York to find Murdoch, but they also have the
Speaker 2: Vigilantes looking for Daredevil.
Speaker 3: How did you think that was gonna work out? With
Speaker 3: Fisk asking for that Ken.
Speaker 4: I feel like it was an idea that could have
Speaker 4: been smart, but also feel like we can't see much
Speaker 4: more of it after episode two. You know, he was
Speaker 4: in hiding and people were looking for him, but that
Speaker 4: was it. It felt like the storyline from that point
Speaker 4: on died. It never really felt like Mack was I
Speaker 4: think one of you guys even said it earlier that
Speaker 4: he was on the run like that. So Matt, Matt
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time in the costume and in
Speaker 4: this in this season, so we didn't really see him
Speaker 4: out of the costume to the last two episodes, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it really didn't go any work for me.
Speaker 2: When thoughts Nick, I was, I was questioning a lot
Speaker 2: of decisions in this season as far as like how
Speaker 2: he was trying to be strategic. This seemed like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is smart, We'll look for the same guy twice over.
Speaker 2: But I can't said it was just it didn't seem
Speaker 2: like there was a big outcry to find at Murdoch
Speaker 2: as much as it was for Daredevil. Of course, so
Speaker 2: like and who's looking for a blind white man in
Speaker 2: New York? They can do a fuck. So I thought
Speaker 2: it was just like, let's like how we teased the ending.
Speaker 3: Of the first episode.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like this whole season was teasing,
Speaker 2: like are we going to reveal his identity?
Speaker 3: How are we?
Speaker 2: How close are we going to reveal his ident It
Speaker 2: was like by the time we got to it, it was like, oh, y'all,
Speaker 2: was just y'all kick the can on that for about
Speaker 2: six to eight weeks, and yeah, that's how I really
Speaker 2: feel about it. Was just like it wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 2: good enough storyline to really focus on it so much.
Speaker 3: Mike, what what?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: What is the exact question? Sorry, Mike?
Speaker 2: How did you feel about the idea of Fisk asking
Speaker 2: for so Yeah to basically arrest their devil, but wanting
Speaker 2: to rescue and find Matt Murdoch as a hero.
Speaker 3: I didn't care. Yeah, I didn't care because.
Speaker 2: I guess see, and I tried not to do this,
Speaker 2: but it's hard not to do this. But with storylines
Speaker 2: like this, it's very hard for me to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Fisk is running New York City or New York wherever
Speaker 2: the fuck. I guess it's New York City and he
Speaker 2: has a vigilante task force. And the only motherfucker you
Speaker 2: brought in was the motherfucker with the sword. You ain't
Speaker 2: talking to Spider Man. You ain't going to find fucking
Speaker 2: you know Luke k No, Luke Cage just I forgot
Speaker 2: he's in jail. You're not talking to Uh, what's the
Speaker 2: other what's the little white dude's name? They had the
Speaker 2: iron fist? I guess I don't know where he's at either,
Speaker 2: But there are plenty of other, like prominent, you know,
Speaker 2: vigilantes in New York, and it's like, you think something
Speaker 2: this big would affect everybody. So when I'm watching this,
Speaker 2: I got the same feeling I got when fucking Palpatine
Speaker 2: returned in the fucking sequel trilogy. It's like, Okay, how
Speaker 2: come only raise out here fighting? Where the fuck is
Speaker 2: everybody else? That's how I felt with this whole season.
Speaker 2: So him being like, go get all the vigilantes, but
Speaker 2: bring me back back Burdock, It's.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, bro, like cool, Like what yeah? It
Speaker 3: just it just didn't interesting. Man.
Speaker 2: They brought a nigga with a butter knife at their
Speaker 2: top vigilante.
Speaker 3: And it's like this dude wasn't even doing ship.
Speaker 2: He had a fucking he had a big ass tooth
Speaker 2: picnic and they really brought him in and put him
Speaker 2: on trial. Really, and we're supposed to be compelled by this.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hope he gets off. I don't
Speaker 2: care about this dude. They trying to fuck about this
Speaker 2: dude they try to make us feel bad from because.
Speaker 3: He was in the cage and ship there he got
Speaker 3: he ate a lot of coupling song. Bro, he alight
Speaker 3: be fine.
Speaker 1: And when he got out he left.
Speaker 3: He shu did We didn't see him, Joe, he got
Speaker 3: the f bout of there. Bro.
Speaker 2: In that fight, see that motherfucker got hit one good
Speaker 2: time and he said this life is not for me.
Speaker 3: But he's like, I'm out.
Speaker 4: So he told that use whatever however much unique and
Speaker 4: you won't, but.
Speaker 3: Don't call me. Here's my credit card. But I fight, Bro.
Speaker 3: I don't like getting real talk.
Speaker 2: But I feel like again, it's like I give up
Speaker 2: a lot going into these shows, Like we're not gonna
Speaker 2: see the movie stars. They saving them for the movies.
Speaker 2: I know, but you can't. But you can't also say like, oh,
Speaker 2: this universe is blended. If you're not gonna do if
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring TV show characters into the movies, then
Speaker 2: you gotta do something in the reverse.
Speaker 3: Like I agree.
Speaker 2: It's like again, I know, Spider Man is doing Spider
Speaker 2: Man shit, but he ain't that busy because his first
Speaker 2: part is friendly neighborhood. So in the hood he's somewhere
Speaker 2: if not him. Again, it's a complaint that we've had
Speaker 2: for a while, but it's just that this series doubles
Speaker 2: down on it, because when you're talking about the mayor
Speaker 2: of New York, it's like that's a huge thing, not
Speaker 2: even just in the city and the state, but across
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 3: People know that because this is a big, major market.
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Speaker 2: per second. All right, So I guess i'll answer that
Speaker 2: part first. I guess for me, it doesn't bother me
Speaker 2: as much, maybe because it's also I read. I haven't
Speaker 2: been reading comics as a late, but the comics are
Speaker 2: the same thing, Like it could be a street war
Speaker 2: going on in the same damn city, and it's this
Speaker 2: Spider Man fighting the street war where Dead Nevil was
Speaker 2: supposed to be around the corner, and he ain't helping
Speaker 2: doing shit, and they're never going through shit. This man
Speaker 2: don't help a missions. That's just what the comics do.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I also just I haven't looked at it that way,
Speaker 2: more so because I also recognize I don't know what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do in Brand New Day because Spider Man
Speaker 2: is technically no one technically knows Spider Man at this
Speaker 2: point right now, so I don't know what that looks
Speaker 2: like exactly until and Spider Man is gonna be fighting
Speaker 2: the Hand in Brand New Day.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because to rescue the Devil. We all know that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well we'll see, Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: So we'll see how it all lines up. I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly why he wouldn't have help. Maybe they're answers.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving that too much grift until maybe I
Speaker 2: see the movie. But I didn't really think about it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest to Mike brought it up. That's
Speaker 2: one reason why I didn't care. I didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: ever think about it, Like I just be like, if
Speaker 2: he shows up, cool, but I know you're probably not
Speaker 2: gonna show up, so why even give it a thought
Speaker 2: of like him being.
Speaker 3: Here, not even just Spider Man, like bring in fucking
Speaker 3: raggedy ass. She hoped.
Speaker 2: Then, like if you if you're not going to bring
Speaker 2: in somebody major, because wasn't she in New York?
Speaker 3: Yeah, now she's in LA but she's in l A.
Speaker 3: I thought she was in New York. She's in l A. Well,
Speaker 3: how did Matt Murdock end up fighting her?
Speaker 2: That's the thing he went to l was dumb he
Speaker 2: was in He went to l A.
Speaker 3: I thought she was in New York. Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: My only thing with with with with that Jalen was
Speaker 2: more of like he he's calling out all vigilantes in
Speaker 2: the city like that was that was that was the
Speaker 2: only reason I'm like to the one time where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna see some other peoples when like literally he's
Speaker 2: calling out everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get your point.
Speaker 2: But through the season we also had that through a
Speaker 2: line of through line of BB doing.
Speaker 3: Her Furst high.
Speaker 2: You know what, I mean, what did y'all What did
Speaker 2: y'all think of her doing her little smear campaign of Fisk?
Speaker 3: What did you think of it?
Speaker 1: Mike?
Speaker 3: I could not humanly give a fuck less. It was
Speaker 3: so uninteresting.
Speaker 2: It was so uninteresting, Like I think that a girl
Speaker 2: who plays Bbe, I don't remember her name. I thought
Speaker 2: she played Bbe. Well, she's a good actor. I just
Speaker 2: didn't give a shit about that character. Nor did I
Speaker 2: give a shit about her little love interest with Tony Soprano.
Speaker 3: Boy. I didn't care about none.
Speaker 2: Of this, And like the little the little cuts was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, y'all got surveillance all over the city.
Speaker 3: You can't figure out who's doing this shit, Like come on, man,
Speaker 3: this is dumb. This is dumb.
Speaker 4: Look at the physical makeup of the person, Brian.
Speaker 3: Like, come on man, come on. Yeah, I just didn't care. Sorry,
Speaker 3: my thoughts on the whole.
Speaker 2: Thing is like her uncle rolling over in his grave
Speaker 2: right now, kids, he probably looked, He's like we getting
Speaker 2: choked out wasn't as bad as these videos, Like I
Speaker 2: really thought this was going to amount to something as
Speaker 2: far as her getting killed, Like wouldn't it be interested?
Speaker 2: Like she get killed just like her uncle did for
Speaker 2: doing you know, investigative journalism. But the fact that it
Speaker 2: went left it was like I could give a fuck
Speaker 2: about him or her, So like if you wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: take both of them out, then oh, we just see
Speaker 2: her getting those news paper clippings of her uncle as
Speaker 2: she gets a new job, and about that ship.
Speaker 1: She got his job.
Speaker 2: I see, I've seen the writings that she does. She's
Speaker 2: so shitty can that she got to use her aliens.
Speaker 2: That's what she told us last season. So I answer
Speaker 2: the question quickly. I did not care it didn't pay
Speaker 2: off and shout out to the shout out to her getting.
Speaker 3: The roll for a few episodes. So that's I guess.
Speaker 2: Ken with Daniel's death worth all the ship we got
Speaker 2: with him and bb.
Speaker 4: No, But they did try to use that for an
Speaker 4: emotional build up and to have him do the right thing,
Speaker 4: and both of them were placed in a very state
Speaker 4: of conflict because she got this where she has promote
Speaker 4: Fisk and all the good things he's doing around the city.
Speaker 4: So her idea is to create this caricature of the
Speaker 4: kingpin and do the opposite.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of.
Speaker 4: What they say equanimity, No that's euphoria, as Maddie said
Speaker 4: in Euphorida, Like she just said the balance to both
Speaker 4: of them, So that's what's her thing. And then same
Speaker 4: thing with Daniel. Daniel was just stupid and goofy and dumb,
Speaker 4: and he wanted the job and he got the job,
Speaker 4: and then he realized he was working with the devil
Speaker 4: and he had to make the right decision at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, which again none of that makes
Speaker 4: sense because he gets in the car and he's like, yo, like,
Speaker 4: by the way, Buck took me out here, and I
Speaker 4: thought he was gonna kill me, but we actually went
Speaker 4: to go bury a body of the first mate that
Speaker 4: we killed. And since I told you that, I gotta
Speaker 4: let him kill you.
Speaker 1: And that's it.
Speaker 4: And then he got out a car and she just
Speaker 4: squeezed his hand hard enough and he was like, all right,
Speaker 4: well run and don't tell me where you're at.
Speaker 1: And then he just went in there and had a
Speaker 1: fight with Buck and died. That was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this was bad man, This is bad.
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't worth it, Like it didn't that. I
Speaker 2: think that's episode seven. Maybe it didn't make any sense,
Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't completely like the idea of
Speaker 2: all right, I ain't. I'm in here struggling with it
Speaker 2: at first, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell him anyway,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna pull up, and then I'm gonna sacrifice
Speaker 2: myself for you. The only way it kind of slightly
Speaker 2: gets away is like, oh, he felt guilty for killing
Speaker 2: that person or like killing that person in the woods,
Speaker 2: so like this is his penance. But I always felt
Speaker 2: he was a whole the whole season, Like I felt
Speaker 2: he was just like trying to find his way up,
Speaker 2: like trying to climb up the ladder, like he didn't
Speaker 2: really care about people.
Speaker 3: So I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get it because I would think even a
Speaker 2: little bit of care that he had for her, it
Speaker 2: would turn when he realized he was shoes using like.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, well they were about to kiss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at him dog like like there wasn't other
Speaker 2: women beating the door down for that motherfucker. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm about to lose my life for you.
Speaker 3: Now, I didn't get to kiss about you on that.
Speaker 2: I feel like it would have made a lot more
Speaker 2: sense if they both ran. Yes, I was why you wait,
Speaker 2: why are you sacrificing yourself?
Speaker 3: Right? It didn't make any sense. Why are you going upstairs?
Speaker 2: Like, if anything, fine, if y'all want to split up, cool,
Speaker 2: but why.
Speaker 3: Are you even going upstairs?
Speaker 2: He could have said she punched me, you let him
Speaker 2: punch you, or something like she got off the car,
Speaker 2: bro like you just let her run away in and
Speaker 2: walked upstairs to your death. And I think they were
Speaker 2: about to kiss. It's just that he was about to
Speaker 2: just keep kissing her ass. She wasn't giving him no
Speaker 2: play the whole season, and I was wondering to me,
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna do something slick where it
Speaker 2: was like he ends up not only betraying her, like
Speaker 2: you mentioned Jayleen, he's been a sleeve ball for most
Speaker 2: of this series, betraying her and then also killing Buck
Speaker 2: and being becoming the new right hand man. Like you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, that was his way back of
Speaker 2: moving moving up, because that's what I thought they were
Speaker 2: building up for. Like you, first you think Buck is
Speaker 2: the person that he's fearful of, but then he finds
Speaker 2: his own you know, kahnahs and does it and kills
Speaker 2: him himself like the other way around, while also taking
Speaker 2: care of Beebie, Like it was just.
Speaker 3: It just didn't It didn't. It didn't matter. That's the
Speaker 3: thing I want to say. It just didn't matter.
Speaker 2: His last few words he said on the ground, like
Speaker 2: wait till you're the guy like he don't, Buck don't
Speaker 2: give a damn about what you saying. Then they trying
Speaker 2: to make it seem like Buck gave a fuck because
Speaker 2: it took him along time to pull the tricker, like
Speaker 2: they could just pulled the trigger. You knew he was
Speaker 2: gonna kill him. You knew it was gonna kill somebody
Speaker 2: when they got up here. Just go ahead and do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't care. I just didn't care. Again half the season,
Speaker 2: I didn't care about a lot.
Speaker 1: Of these characters.
Speaker 3: Y'all had a car. Y'all had a fucking car.
Speaker 2: But you still Bebie run that way and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go upstairs, get back in the fucking car, or at
Speaker 2: least make this make sense.
Speaker 3: But I'm with y'all. It didn't fucking matter. It didn't
Speaker 3: really go anywhere.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I do think
Speaker 2: that Tony Soprano boy did a good job in that role.
Speaker 2: He's a good actor, but the role itself just didn't
Speaker 2: give me anything. Well, eventually we get to Fisk in
Speaker 2: his boxing match. This is supposed to be the I guess,
Speaker 2: the the nut punch for us, you know, where his
Speaker 2: wife Vanessa gets a piece of glass stuck in her
Speaker 2: head from the incident with Bullseye.
Speaker 3: Did this work for y'all at all? No? Didn't they
Speaker 3: have kill her last season too?
Speaker 1: Yep, it's like mantot.
Speaker 2: I thought, so, yeah, she got shot, but then she
Speaker 2: lived and then this time a fucking thing goes in
Speaker 2: her head. She lived, She died later, but she lived.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, just kill this motherfucker. Don't nobody
Speaker 2: care about Vanessa at all? So no, this it's not
Speaker 2: like I was like, oh my god, not Vanessa, y'all
Speaker 2: give a fuck.
Speaker 3: It was the way they killed it too.
Speaker 2: It was just like, really, like, at least make it
Speaker 2: like if you don't dress it up, dress it up, like,
Speaker 2: don't let it be no accidental Rick Schi bullshit, like,
Speaker 2: let Bullseye kill her, like, let him let fist see that.
Speaker 3: He did it. And he like, nigga, I'm one of them.
Speaker 2: Ones, right, thought I agree, like I would have rather
Speaker 2: seen that it's just and then they try to make
Speaker 2: it poetically beautiful, Mike, because she had the white dress
Speaker 2: and then the red came out. Man his wife died
Speaker 2: and his wife died in a boxing match at that too.
Speaker 3: I know they I think they pulled that from the comic.
Speaker 3: But it was just like bro were.
Speaker 2: Losing the plot if you keep on just trying to
Speaker 2: make things be spectacles like it's And what was her
Speaker 2: head was?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: Was it actually figure or toy or something? What was
Speaker 3: stuck in her head?
Speaker 1: Like figure?
Speaker 3: Because I thought he because I thought he think snow
Speaker 3: glow because you know, bulls just be thought.
Speaker 1: It was glow.
Speaker 2: When when fist broke it, I thought some like like
Speaker 2: you said, like a little figurine hit.
Speaker 3: Her dad, I thought it was a figurine that was
Speaker 3: in her head.
Speaker 2: Like it was like the bottom happened when he mantor
Speaker 2: yourself a glass It was glass.
Speaker 3: It was glass. It's definitely glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like a country.
Speaker 2: And then and then there they're big escape with all
Speaker 2: that security was just their double swinging out the window
Speaker 2: on the one story buildings.
Speaker 4: He doesn't even have Superman strength, no, but he managed
Speaker 4: to get him out of there somehow. But nah, I'm
Speaker 4: laugh and finally killed her off because I'm tired of
Speaker 4: the pump fakes.
Speaker 1: Like me too, rid of her. He told her has
Speaker 1: to stay home. Why are you even here?
Speaker 3: She don't listen, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then they spent the whole episode doing her
Speaker 4: sind off with her having all these damn dreams and
Speaker 4: ship and then she waking up asking for watermelon juice
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 1: She asked, don't like that ship? You need to like what.
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 2: Somebody trying to explain that because he told them to
Speaker 2: get the juice and not check her. That's when she died.
Speaker 2: Like if she would have got checked by the nurse,
Speaker 2: she probably could have lived.
Speaker 3: Man trying to make it sense for like how he
Speaker 3: really killed her.
Speaker 1: Or some ship, but he didn't kill her. I was like,
Speaker 1: just didn't.
Speaker 4: Really do a good enough job, and he deserves.
Speaker 3: To die too. That was the most satisfying thing I
Speaker 3: saw all season.
Speaker 2: They did the whole two arc episode with him, because
Speaker 2: you know, he was gassing himself up, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, I could do this the best hands.
Speaker 2: And then when she lived, he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: told you. When she died there and have a conversation
Speaker 2: with the Kingpin he's talking about to.
Speaker 3: Bring it in. Mother, that would have been you gotta
Speaker 3: tell him to you.
Speaker 2: He's squeezing me too tight, Like.
Speaker 3: Man, bro, he is. You know, he's a violent man,
Speaker 3: and you you let his wife that right, and you're
Speaker 3: going there by yourself.
Speaker 2: But what y'all were they were talking about the dreams
Speaker 2: and ship that was pissing me off.
Speaker 3: That was pissing me off.
Speaker 2: When Rick Grimes went away, they did the same ship.
Speaker 2: And we watched Rick Grimes for thirteen fucking seasons, so
Speaker 2: we cared about that.
Speaker 3: No one gave a fuck about Beanessa in her fucking dreams, bro.
Speaker 2: But when she seriously woke up and was like, give
Speaker 2: me some watermelon juice, I was like, bro, I want
Speaker 2: to turn this off. Who the fuck is looking for
Speaker 2: watermelon juice? He said that make your lips tingle? Why
Speaker 2: do you want that?
Speaker 3: What? What are we talking about? Who wrote this shit?
Speaker 3: Watermelon juice makes your lips tingle? Fuck? What?
Speaker 2: What do y'all feel that the reaction from Fisk after
Speaker 2: this death it fit his character? Yeah yeah that part, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he got he go ahead.
Speaker 4: But Mike, I thought he was gonna go fucking the
Speaker 4: same bro, Like Vanessa was everything to him, And yeah,
Speaker 4: he killed the doctor, but I thought he was gonna
Speaker 4: fucking lose it.
Speaker 3: Me too, me too. He should have killed him. He
Speaker 3: made up for it. That's what y'all talking about.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't overheard though she let him tell me
Speaker 2: some of some of them was there. So there was
Speaker 2: also something else that was happening this season. Karen was
Speaker 2: constantly saying that that they had to take there. They
Speaker 2: had to take a fiscout, like there was no let
Speaker 2: him go to jail or doing it just this normal way,
Speaker 2: and Daredevil was like, no, there has to be another way.
Speaker 2: I just can't do it. Did this pool y'all in
Speaker 2: at all that Daredevil was having his inter turmoil of like, yo,
Speaker 2: we have to find another way, and can and bulls
Speaker 2: everybody else telling him you got to even Jessica Jones,
Speaker 2: you got to kill that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Did that? Did that help y'all at all? Ken?
Speaker 2: Did that help you at all? Grab onto a little
Speaker 2: something this season?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 4: Because you know, I know he's supposed to be conflicted
Speaker 4: because of his Catholic upbringing, and you know that always
Speaker 4: has him kind of questioning or unwilling to go there
Speaker 4: and you know, I think he was very indecisive throughout
Speaker 4: this whole season as well. And Karon was supposed to
Speaker 4: be like that one person that kept helping because he
Speaker 4: kept asking like should I do this?
Speaker 1: Should I do that? What do you think about this?
Speaker 4: He never really could make a clear decision on anything
Speaker 4: except not killing Bullseye and s At one point he
Speaker 4: he Levet he loved Bullseye. He left his beat in
Speaker 4: the church.
Speaker 1: Best Bro.
Speaker 4: He left, so you know, but he eventually came back.
Speaker 4: But I think that was also the show, like the
Speaker 4: conflict that he had with himself in regards to unable
Speaker 4: to make a decision, but.
Speaker 1: Overall them as a whole, Nah, not really, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't help me at all.
Speaker 2: Hey, Ken, I forgot Karen got choked up by Kingpin,
Speaker 2: that's what she wanted to and her dumb ass went
Speaker 2: up to the bar. I'm like, why would you go
Speaker 2: up to the bar And he's already the mayor, he
Speaker 2: already put you in jail. He can do whatever you
Speaker 2: want to you. She was surprised she got choked.
Speaker 4: You got you got slapped. You surprised you getting choked?
Speaker 4: You got slapped by therapist Bro.
Speaker 2: Man after the fact, but still I get your point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she constantly put herself at harm way over and over again,
Speaker 2: over and over. Even the way she got arrested. She
Speaker 2: didn't have to get arrested. Didn't somebody fall or something
Speaker 2: and she went and like helping you out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got shot and he went to go check
Speaker 4: on him, and the White Tiger ran off, and she
Speaker 4: stayed there and put her map off, mask off.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, Karen Paige, I don't I don't think
Speaker 3: it was a page.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a big issue because all
Speaker 2: superheroes go through this, the ones that try not to kill,
Speaker 2: they always have this dilemma like this is the worst
Speaker 2: villain I've ever dealt with in so many ways. Taking
Speaker 2: them off the map would be easy all my life,
Speaker 2: but then I'll make me like them. Yeah. What I
Speaker 2: didn't like was how they use caring so much in
Speaker 2: those scenes to justify like how far she's been pushed,
Speaker 2: Like when she had that gun up to Bull's eyes forehead,
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, if you don't get you to
Speaker 2: sit your ass down and do what Man had to
Speaker 2: come in there and slap the ship out of her head,
Speaker 2: Like the fuck wrong with you asking him what the
Speaker 2: wrong with him?
Speaker 3: Man? She one doing some dumb ship with the gun
Speaker 3: to the those Let me do it.
Speaker 2: Let me take this burden off for you. You ain't been
Speaker 2: helping ship.
Speaker 3: Right you just wait?
Speaker 2: God damn now I'm in jail for your stupid ass.
Speaker 2: Why do you have from the mission? Just fucking do it?
Speaker 3: You know what to tell? You know?
Speaker 2: Like that's why he was smiling there because he was
Speaker 2: away from her, right right.
Speaker 3: He at least gonna get some fucking jail, but he.
Speaker 1: Won't even know that.
Speaker 3: You just gotta get her perfume in the.
Speaker 4: Common say why oh man?
Speaker 1: Ship?
Speaker 2: So before before we get into the finale, man, is
Speaker 2: there any any plot point of anything that I haven't
Speaker 2: mentioned that y'all really want to touch base on?
Speaker 4: Uh? The only thing I got was, uh, I want
Speaker 4: to ask what you guys think about that dared Double
Speaker 4: king ban fight?
Speaker 3: Which one it was like.
Speaker 1: Six or seven? Episodes seven?
Speaker 3: The painting?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, remember that was dope damn right?
Speaker 3: Which one was this? Where where did they fight?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: It was episode seven.
Speaker 2: They were in like that winery place and like it
Speaker 2: was that painting and he ended up punching a.
Speaker 3: Rabbits like glove paint. He was whooping.
Speaker 5: Matt's asked for a minute, got mad though, Man, this
Speaker 5: is what you want to like, Yes, motherucker, this talking
Speaker 5: down like.
Speaker 2: We don't have to do this. We don't get the
Speaker 2: funk out of here. Man, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: We don't see eye to eye, but you don't say nothing.
Speaker 2: You talking about funny motherfucker. Hell, he was saying that
Speaker 2: he grabbed him and threw him against the wall like
Speaker 2: I was tossing like a rat dog. He's like, calm down,
Speaker 2: talking about about you got know the premise of this show, right,
Speaker 2: this is on fight.
Speaker 3: We don't talk.
Speaker 4: That ship and uh bulls yu bulls eyes uh.
Speaker 1: Cold open Yeah.
Speaker 4: And and when he walked into the dinner that ship
Speaker 4: was hard though.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, that's the one character I ain't man
Speaker 2: at it like I was on the point this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I him. I definitely he said I'm good guys, Okay, No,
Speaker 3: that ship was hilarious. He killed all the and he's
Speaker 3: like he's waiting for the cops to show up. Both eyes.
Speaker 3: That guy.
Speaker 2: Even when he had look at the cat to on
Speaker 2: the way canad dog, he was like it's unsanitary for
Speaker 2: you to have them in that nig was scared and
Speaker 2: ship he wasn't all in saying, well, we got the
Speaker 2: final episode. Yeah, I guess I'm just gonna start here.
Speaker 3: It start that.
Speaker 2: What were you'all thoughts of the final episode? Like, overall
Speaker 2: thoughts of the final episode.
Speaker 3: It was a goofy end.
Speaker 2: It was it was the is ending, bro, because it
Speaker 2: was like revealing the secret identity in the courtroom.
Speaker 3: That was that was decent. It was everything that it was.
Speaker 2: It was Everything that followed after that to me was
Speaker 2: He's got more goofy and extreme, especially when we got
Speaker 2: to the n words feel like it was like the
Speaker 2: end of Hamilton where everybody's standing on stage about to
Speaker 2: take him bath, but it was all in city Hall.
Speaker 3: I was like, bro, And then he did his speech
Speaker 3: over the banister. It was just like.
Speaker 2: Going to be January sixth for the good guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was like, this is just goofy.
Speaker 2: Like the only part that I really like was that
Speaker 2: he just went man it once he was once he
Speaker 2: realized he wasn't gonna be mayor no more, and he
Speaker 2: just said, fuck it, I'm king pinning and start killing
Speaker 2: I love how they don't explain how strong he is.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be just a bigger man. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: this nigger literally was crushing people against the wall. Bro.
Speaker 3: I'm like Nigo.
Speaker 4: When he told the guy he said, I never seen nobody,
Speaker 4: just the body, and then punched the ship out of him.
Speaker 2: After the fat bro his punches were snapping. Next, it
Speaker 2: was like, how a superhuman.
Speaker 3: Like but Matt let it happen. That's what was making
Speaker 3: me so mad.
Speaker 2: Is I can't say he saw it, but he sees
Speaker 2: in some kind of way like they showed it, like
Speaker 2: he sees like I don't know, he sees in some
Speaker 2: kind of way seeing it sounds, he sees sounds. He
Speaker 2: got in the stagia, so he knew that Kingpin was
Speaker 2: killing motherfuckers. And he's at the bottom of the fucking
Speaker 2: stairs taking his time talking about, hey, y'all stop and
Speaker 2: you got shot.
Speaker 3: I don't give a buck climb the god damn stairs.
Speaker 3: You're daredevil.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? He's really trying to talk this crowd down.
Speaker 2: And this was their idea of a finale. Have a
Speaker 2: crowd of people run up the stairs and Kingpin just
Speaker 2: beat them all up and then Matt go up there
Speaker 2: and have a conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm not here for this, y'all. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's how Yeah, that's a bad taste to
Speaker 2: end things off with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think about it that way.
Speaker 4: I liked it only in the sense because the part
Speaker 4: you were talking about Kingpin was fucking fuckers up.
Speaker 1: The only thing I was thinking about was.
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, this is kind of stupid because you just
Speaker 4: you're committing murder, so.
Speaker 1: You're like, you are definitely like now a villain.
Speaker 4: And then they just he killed all Now, now y'all
Speaker 4: got me thinking about this a little bit more logically,
Speaker 4: he killed all those people and got a deal to
Speaker 4: go to a beach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, missy, what do I always say, care white man?
Speaker 2: Look, he did all The only thing they cared about
Speaker 2: was taking his quote unquote power away and getting him
Speaker 2: out of office.
Speaker 3: It was that was the only thing they care about.
Speaker 3: The carnage and all the ship that.
Speaker 2: He did, the people that he killed, the lives that
Speaker 2: he ruined vicariously, it was just like all that was
Speaker 2: okay as long as you are not mayor, And it
Speaker 2: was just yeah, and then and then that's why, like
Speaker 2: the whole stuff being in the courtroom and like justice.
Speaker 2: They kept talking about them, like who's getting justice? White
Speaker 2: Tiger lost to her uncle. She's still upset about that, like.
Speaker 3: Flipping. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both Daredevil and Kingping got their hallway scenes, but
Speaker 2: it was just like, if I'm looking at the overall picture,
Speaker 2: like this city is fucked completely because it's like when
Speaker 2: it comes to justice, like, who's I'm serving justice anymore?
Speaker 2: When you know all these people could be bought When
Speaker 2: you know that all this stuff was really going down.
Speaker 2: The mayor literally had a port where he was bringing
Speaker 2: drugs and guns legally and getting a tax.
Speaker 3: Break on it.
Speaker 2: Like it was like, yeah, how do you rebuild?
Speaker 3: And then and then Daredevil was upset with the people
Speaker 3: because it's nigga.
Speaker 2: Don't want you to kill them either, because y'all it's
Speaker 2: gonna be it's just gonna be a city full of chaos.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he did, and then he ended
Speaker 3: up going into that's how gonna Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the action scenes were dope. Before I went and
Speaker 2: saw Mortar Kombat this this week, like my Homeboy was
Speaker 2: like you watched the finale of Dare Devil. I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, they they did some ship in it.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, because I was already had
Speaker 2: told him. I was like, yeah, I'm not feeling the season.
Speaker 2: He's like, they got some shit in there for you,
Speaker 2: and I guess he was just talking about the action
Speaker 2: scenes because everything. Yeah, I'm like, I don't give a
Speaker 2: fuck done none of this really, Like I don't trust
Speaker 2: them with what they're trying to set up. And that's
Speaker 2: where that's where I landed on this. It's like, all right,
Speaker 2: they could be great if they had the right people
Speaker 2: in the room, but you don't. If you, if you,
Speaker 2: if you tell me, we're gonna get everybody back from
Speaker 2: Netflix and we're gonna have them just write everything. Bet
Speaker 2: y'all set them up for some good ship to happen. Now,
Speaker 2: all right, but that's not what y'all are about to do.
Speaker 2: It didn't make sense for them to be up there
Speaker 2: on Ben telling each other this is we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna call the truth in front of everybody, like, no, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not how this That doesn't make sense, not for
Speaker 2: because when Wilson Fitz straight up said he's not going
Speaker 2: out like that before he went on that rampage when
Speaker 2: that woman came and gave him the phone because the
Speaker 2: ag was on the phone and he was like he
Speaker 2: just hung up on him. He's like, I'm not taking
Speaker 2: a deal. No, that's that's Kingpin. That's Kingpin. Kingpin doesn't
Speaker 2: sit up there and take that deal. That does not happen.
Speaker 2: So for y'all ended there and him to just go
Speaker 2: on some island, it's bullshit. It is bullshit. So you
Speaker 2: could have savaged some of this season by giving me
Speaker 2: a good action scene and maybe Kingpin escapes by doing
Speaker 2: some crazy shit. But y'all don't even give me that.
Speaker 2: Y'all just gave me easy out because.
Speaker 3: Y'all don't know what the fuck to do. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: wasn't that hard, man, It really wasn't.
Speaker 2: It was better than what we got most of the season, probably,
Speaker 2: like most of the season was block until we've just
Speaker 2: got basically, so it kind of I guess, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: great in it on a curve, Yeah, because if you're
Speaker 2: gonna focus on politics, make the politics interesting, because like
Speaker 2: there was two storylines we didn't care about. The main
Speaker 2: storyline didn't really add up at the end, and then
Speaker 2: you gave us maybe three great action scenes throughout the
Speaker 2: whole season. Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't work for me, So I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like I said, maybe season three, I binge the whole
Speaker 2: season when I'm bored, but I'm not in a rush
Speaker 2: to watch it at all. Like it really it really
Speaker 2: sucks because I thought maybe this was gonna go into
Speaker 2: something great before spoder Man, and that didn't happen. Maybe
Speaker 2: the Punisher, Maybe the Punisher is supposed to get me
Speaker 2: more because Punisher is actually in spoder Man. So maybe
Speaker 2: this this one off that comes out tomorrow while we're
Speaker 2: since while we're recording.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that, maybe that'll.
Speaker 2: Do something funny. I'm holding onto a glimpse of hope
Speaker 2: for that. But other than that, I ain't in the
Speaker 2: rust to see dad though again while it's under the
Speaker 2: hands of this MCU need You creatives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I'm interested.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in Punisher only because it's John Burnhal and
Speaker 2: I'll watch anything that my man John Burnhal is in.
Speaker 2: He's the only white man that I will accept saying nigga,
Speaker 2: and I guarantee this whole season it's just gonna be him.
Speaker 2: Fucking black chicks and listen to Wu Tang that's money
Speaker 2: and killing cops. John Burnhal is the blackest white man
Speaker 2: on the plane. So I'm here for Punisher. I'm with
Speaker 2: you because the trailer for the special presentation that's coming
Speaker 2: out this week his black Homeboy that was in the
Speaker 2: series with him doing with the one leg. He was
Speaker 2: the one monologue and this shit, I'm oh, yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: they bringing the whole band back. He forgot about us, No,
Speaker 2: he got.
Speaker 3: The hood right on his back.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I'm with it. But yeah, I'm with you, Jalen.
Speaker 2: I don't have any more faith in Daredevil with the
Speaker 2: current writers that they have.
Speaker 3: I hear people are really liking it. I'm glad they
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they like it. I don't really see what
Speaker 2: they like, but I'm happy that they're enjoying it.
Speaker 3: But this was not a good time for me. I
Speaker 3: can see why they like it, just because.
Speaker 2: We're like over ten years removed from like the original
Speaker 2: are miror of that, so like this is probably a
Speaker 2: new audience who hasn't seen Daredevil live, who hasn't done
Speaker 2: their homework, because that's the one thing I was interested
Speaker 2: about this season. It's like now they're basically saying like
Speaker 2: because they're trying to bring all the band back together,
Speaker 2: all the characters, it's like, you got to do your
Speaker 2: homework now to watch this series, which at first they
Speaker 2: when they said Darre Deevil born again, I thought they
Speaker 2: were trying to reboot it. So you didn't like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you were a fan of the old one, we
Speaker 2: have some stuff here for you. But if you just
Speaker 2: coming in fresh, you don't have to do too much work.
Speaker 2: Now it's like, noah, fuck that, like go back into
Speaker 2: your work, which is interesting because that was the case.
Speaker 2: You could have done things completely different. But that's, you know,
Speaker 2: an argument we already talked into the ground. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in season three, but like y'all, I probably
Speaker 2: will just I won't binge watch it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I won't watch it weak, I'll binge watch it.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm not I don't give it. Like Jessica Jones,
Speaker 2: the first season was great, Like I have that as
Speaker 2: maybe the probably that see the first season is probably
Speaker 2: the third best season and that holds it like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was hoping it was gonna do something with her.
Speaker 2: Ain't do anything here to get me excited about her either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really didn't do anything with her.
Speaker 4: She just popped up and she just lost the powers
Speaker 4: because she was pregnant and she got yeah, the center,
Speaker 4: everything that's coming up with, Yeah, thunder Boats and to bring.
Speaker 6: Luke Cage and all the mother was back in. That's
Speaker 6: that's all it was. They just trying to appeal to
Speaker 6: the mixed audiences and stuff. Look this d D I here, devil.
Speaker 3: Can spend there know what I without? That's right? Oh,
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