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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fan Morning Show. Kevin Bowen, James Boyd,

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Speaker 1: Mark Dykon, I'm jeff Rickard. Thanks so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines open as always, so is the text line

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Speaker 1: today too. We'll tell you all about that in the

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Speaker 1: meantime though. And he had a Pacers last night at

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Speaker 1: home taking on the Houston Rockets. Pretty good team, but

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Speaker 1: they were playing without Kevin Durant. But man, it happens

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Speaker 1: more and more and more, but especially so last night

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Speaker 1: with Shingoon shining the light. There's just a huge void

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Speaker 1: at the five spot for the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 2: It's not just scoring and rebounding, just everything.

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Speaker 3: Mark man if your word, thank you for that. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: After that, we had some musical requests obviously yesterday with

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Speaker 4: Groundhog Day, so I made sure to you know, put

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Speaker 4: in the back of my head, like okay, Kevin wants

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Speaker 4: that song.

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Speaker 3: I'll play it later, all small and great mess with

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Speaker 3: success from yesterday, right. Yeah. I mean center is a

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Speaker 3: clear issue. And you know, when we had Alex Golden

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Speaker 3: on the nine o'clock hour, you know, I asked him

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Speaker 3: a question of is there any way they can you know,

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Speaker 3: satisfy everything of like, hey, you keep mathering, you keep

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Speaker 3: your first round pick, and you still somehow, some way

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Speaker 3: go out and find a center. It seems like wishful thinking, right,

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Speaker 3: And so I think that's the hardest question you have

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Speaker 3: coming into Thursday, is you know what exactly is the

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Speaker 3: best mode of operation? Do you wait at all? You

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Speaker 3: can perform signing trades in the off season, but there's

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Speaker 3: a risk element in that. And then you know, with

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Speaker 3: Benedict Matherin, you know again it is he is a

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Speaker 3: Pacers want to sign him long term? So I think

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Speaker 3: these are all very difficult questions. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: an easy answer to how the Pacers should operate here.

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Speaker 3: And that's coming from a huge mathering guy. I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge mathering guy. I don't think they should

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Speaker 3: move him, but I I don't think it's easy to

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Speaker 3: say that. And I'll go back to what I said yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You know, you let Miles Turner walk for nothing. And look,

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Speaker 3: I understand it. The Pacers had a really good team

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Speaker 3: last season. They got to Game seven in the finals.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes that's business. I don't think you can do that again,

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Speaker 3: and I think that would be weighed on me heavily.

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Speaker 3: With matherin for Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Man, it was fun watching him do what he does

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Speaker 1: last night, though, and you talked about elevating his game

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Speaker 1: a little bit, just taking care of the basketball with

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Speaker 1: the five assists and no turnovers. But if you want

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Speaker 1: and again getting back to avoiding not losing guys, you

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Speaker 1: know outright, I like Benedict Matherne a lot, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he doesn't get moved before the trade deadline, James,

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Speaker 1: unless the deal just can't be made.

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess it comes down to.

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Speaker 6: How big of an issue you think the center position

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Speaker 6: is That by that, I mean, we know it's an issue,

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Speaker 6: but does it outweigh the possibility of Matheren's development into

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Speaker 6: feel like this is your only way to address this,

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Speaker 6: so you can still make a trade in the off season.

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Speaker 6: You can still sign somebody in free agency in the

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Speaker 6: off season. You don't have to necessarily tie yourself to

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Speaker 6: making a move for a center right now today. So that,

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Speaker 6: to me is one of the questions they have to weigh,

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Speaker 6: is like, Okay, if not now, then when it has

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Speaker 6: much do we weigh the center position when we know

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Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying Tyre's gonna play center, but.

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Speaker 6: Does his return perhaps allow you to get a center

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Speaker 6: even stylistically, you have to figure out what you want.

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Speaker 6: I mean, as much as we talk about Myles Eternal

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Speaker 6: Huff kind of gives you a little bit of that,

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Speaker 6: but there's a reason why. Prior to this season he

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Speaker 6: comes to the evaluation. And before I shut up here,

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Speaker 6: I would do want to give a quick shout out

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Speaker 6: to one of our listeners here on the air.

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Speaker 5: Braiden from Brownsburg reached out.

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Speaker 6: He said he's checking his kids to school and his

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Speaker 6: son Cayden turned six today, So birthday Tokayden.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for tuning, Jay.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 5: I hope you have a great.

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Speaker 6: Day at school, and you know, till your parents give

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Speaker 6: you up whatever you want, because it one to turn

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Speaker 6: six one time in your life.

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Speaker 3: Cayden treats all day having your birthday to Kayden. Thank

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Speaker 3: you Brandon for listening. Yeah, I think you laid that

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Speaker 3: out pretty well.

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Speaker 2: James.

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Speaker 3: Now let's just look at center and let's look at wing.

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Speaker 3: The two positions we're talking about here. If you were

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Speaker 3: to lose Matherin again, I think it would be a

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Speaker 3: very notable loss. But having said that, is there a

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Speaker 3: Whereas when you say center, how do you go about

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Speaker 3: replacing that? I don't think there's anyone internally on the

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Speaker 3: think there's a Jeris Walker or Johnny Furfey on the

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Speaker 3: at the draft again, there doesn't appear to be that now.

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Speaker 3: Having said that, James, you and I have this conversation

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Speaker 3: the most part, a lot of these high level centers

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Speaker 3: He is becoming a really solid player. And you know

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Speaker 3: I do pause a little bit, and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: is trading a player like Matherin worth that? Because I mean,

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Speaker 3: let's go back to the NBA Finals. Guys, what youngest

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Speaker 3: And I feel like we right off Game seven because

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Speaker 3: Tyres gets hurt. The Pacers have a halftime lead of

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Speaker 3: has twenty four and thirteen in the biggest game this

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Speaker 3: is wilting and peeing down their leg for the Pacers

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Speaker 3: in that setting of Game seven, whether it's a Game

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Speaker 3: seven pressure, whether it's having Halliburton being carried off the

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Speaker 3: floor and Bendick Matherin's like, I got it. My hand's raised,

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Speaker 3: I got it. Here's twenty four and thirteen, Like, dudes

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Speaker 3: just aren't wired that way, not twenty two year olds

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Speaker 3: coming off the bench. So again, I think it'd be

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Speaker 3: a really notable loss. But having said that, I can

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Speaker 3: situation the franchise is in right now. I just think

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Speaker 3: at times we really really undermine how rare of a

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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a Matherine fan, and I get where

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Speaker 1: I don't know what their overarching plan is with the

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Speaker 1: I hope they do, but at some point they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to address that five spot, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: Probably not, But I mean I don't think Obi's coming

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it doesn't feel like it doesn't say like it.

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Speaker 5: Probably doesn't really matter if he were to come back

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Speaker 5: or not. I mean that's not a long term answer.

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Speaker 3: Well, he can't be her center eighty two nights out

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Speaker 3: of here. If Obie toppins out there, Shingoon's throwing him

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Speaker 3: out of the club last night too. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: just you have to find a center that can go

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Speaker 3: hang just hanging there defensively probably more than anything. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that was embarrassing last night trying to watch that team

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Speaker 3: get a rebound there late. Isaiah Jackson just gets worked

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Speaker 3: late in that game. And I mean, James, I don't

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Speaker 3: if you're getting all the way there, But you know,

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Speaker 3: I saw someone texted in Jimmy here. Halliburton made miles.

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Speaker 3: You know he can do that for any center. I

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Speaker 3: can understand where some of the rationale is coming from

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Speaker 3: of Halliburton accentuates so much of guys around him, But defensively,

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Speaker 3: Jimmy's not acknowledging that there. And that's my biggest question

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Speaker 3: from an honestly point. I reached more of a liability

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Speaker 3: I don't worry about the Pacers offensively, especially with Tyree's

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Speaker 3: coming back. It's more of a can you rebound? Can

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Speaker 3: you protect the rim? And can you defend without fouling?

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Speaker 3: And that can be six points eight points a game

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Speaker 3: for all I care, But can you do some of

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Speaker 3: the dirty stuff while you have an offense? One through four?

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Speaker 3: Halliburton amhar knee Smith siak On, if Matherin still here,

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Speaker 3: insert your top ten pick. Yeah, come in in the summer.

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Speaker 1: And I believe Betaedig mathern is restricted free agent with

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 5: Repeat that for me one more time so I can.

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Speaker 1: Bet mcmathers restricted free agent with bird rights and the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 6: I guess it comes down to can you do this

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Speaker 5: I mean, you could do it in theory.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Tony, Hey morning guys, and Angele.

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Speaker 7: I'd like you to think about also, as you mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 7: Do you sit in the smith like? That's the other thing.

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Speaker 7: As Matthering gets better, you know, like I suck at

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Speaker 3: You know, thanks guys, Yeah, Tony. I think Tony makes

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Speaker 3: a great, great point, Pather. It is a very uniquely

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Speaker 3: do think it's a good point. Now, as Jeff said,

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Speaker 3: It's all this wild stat from IU again tonight ten

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Speaker 6: Ten times, because if you did nine, that's still a

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Speaker 3: Can't imagine what tonight is. And I feel that way

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Speaker 3: when they go and play at Rutgers there so at

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock, tonight's slight underdog.

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Speaker 2: Where can we see that game coming?

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Speaker 3: Our radio coverage on w ib C TV wise on

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Speaker 3: the cock.

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, James, that's what you mean.

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Speaker 5: You free to say it.

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Speaker 2: I just like when Kevin says it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't have the same clip that Mark

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Speaker 1: Mark I.

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Speaker 3: Think saying I heard that.

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Speaker 5: Dang, you see the show.

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Speaker 2: Do you see the editing coming on that one right there,

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Speaker 2: James I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to see what that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on. But it's fun to watch Indiana

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Speaker 1: doing their thing. I keep saying the word fun. That

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Speaker 1: seems to be it this week, But watching Indiana basketball

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Speaker 1: is fun. Watching Purdue get it back together with Fletcher Lawyer,

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. Obviously, coming off the national championship, there's

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Speaker 1: just a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of good things happening around here.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of in suspended animation mode in some ways

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Speaker 1: with the Indiana Pacers, because nothing really about what this

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Speaker 1: team is in the future happens until we get Tyree

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Speaker 1: Soliburton back and we see how everything works at very true.

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Speaker 6: One more thing on I you, Kevin, I still would

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Speaker 6: like see Tucker Devre's play better. I think that when

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Speaker 6: the shooting inevitably comes back down to earth at least

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Speaker 6: a little bit, you need that player to be better

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Speaker 6: than what he has been so far this season. When

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Speaker 6: it comes to a shot making standpoint, a shot creation standpoint, He's.

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Speaker 5: Been okay, but I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 6: I thought he would be like their best player this year,

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Speaker 6: considering what he's done throughout his college.

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Speaker 3: Career, especially when he's a big reliability defensively.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: But again, Dorn I think is alleviated a ton of that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when I say they've made ten straight threes

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Speaker 3: in four straight games, I want to say Dor or

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Speaker 3: at least ten threes I should say in four straight games.

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Speaker 3: I want to say Dorn's made twenty threes in the

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Speaker 3: last four games.

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Speaker 5: Crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking college basketball here. Dudes who just

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Speaker 3: don't all of a sudden appear off the bench and

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Speaker 3: bang home conference games us a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Bricks we see throughout college play. So to shoot that, well, yes,

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Speaker 6: very good point, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up in a moment, we know that

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, not only is the NBA trade deadline, but

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Speaker 1: the NFL they will announce the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame announces the folks that will be getting in to

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Speaker 1: Canton this coming summer.

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Speaker 2: A prominent writer that has covered the.

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Speaker 1: National Football League for decades saying less than flattering things

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Speaker 1: about one of your candidates from the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Tell you about it next ninety three five and.

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Speaker 3: One seven Rutgers there. So at ten o'clock tonight's Slight Underdog.

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Speaker 3: Where can we see that game coming our radio coverage

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Speaker 3: on WBC TV wise on the cock.

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, James, that's what you mean.

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Speaker 5: You you free to say it.

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Speaker 2: I just like when Kevin says it cool a game

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Speaker 2: by request today? Who requested this one?

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Speaker 3: I like it me myself, and I yeah, baby, I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what Hereing jeff Ricord's reaction when that came

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Speaker 3: on the speaker, I thought the blue pill might have

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Speaker 3: gone in him there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I maybe I may start to investigate the blue

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Speaker 2: pill if it gives me more.

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Speaker 3: Christine Mike all of a sudden almost hit the ceiling

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Speaker 3: in here. Mark, I was gonna have to.

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Speaker 2: That's right for my wheelhouse.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day, I got on our facilities manager

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Speaker 3: to get in here. Boy was I wrong? James Boyd,

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Speaker 3: you were the same sound I did the same.

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Speaker 2: Jay and B has a sports arousal. I get music

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Speaker 2: arousal sometimes.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 6: That was a classic there, Mark, ooh my, definitely get

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Speaker 6: some cookout vibes there.

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Speaker 1: Good Morgan, Welcome into the Fan Morning Show along with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd. The we're speaking about, of course,

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Speaker 1: is Mark Dyton always spinning the hits and you can

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Speaker 1: find out everything he plays on Twitter at the end

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Speaker 1: of the show.

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Speaker 2: And in case you're wondering what the playlist was from.

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Speaker 1: Day to day, in the meantime, Thursday, Yes, Yesterday's playlist

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Speaker 1: was Awes, Sonny and cher.

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Speaker 4: So people are confused, They're like, what songs were those?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 1: Some them all out, Sonny and Share I Got You

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Speaker 1: Babe made a very famous song when it came out,

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Speaker 1: but made more famous probably in the movie groundhog Day.

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Speaker 4: There's always a theme for the most part.

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Speaker 2: For the most part, so we've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: things happening. On Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about the trade deadline in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: but also on Thursday we find out who's going to

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Speaker 1: be inducted into the Hall of Fame for the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame coming up this July. And Peter King,

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Speaker 1: who's been covering the NFL for I don't know half

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Speaker 1: of the century, Okay, Frovover Forever and Ever, had some

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Speaker 1: very interesting things to say about two particular wide receivers

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Speaker 1: that he did not vote for to get into the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Tory Holt from the Rams and the

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Speaker 1: Greatest Show on Turf. But for our purposes of discussion,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne.

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Speaker 9: They were excellent players, and they both played big roles

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Speaker 9: in their team. I'm just not a believer that they

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Speaker 9: are singular players. And I think to get into the

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Speaker 9: Hall of Fame you have to be a little bit

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Speaker 9: more than somebody. I mean, Reggie Wayne caught over a

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Speaker 9: thousand balls. Tory Holt caught over nine hundred. They each

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Speaker 9: obviously have a lot of touchdowns. But I can think

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Speaker 9: of a lot of receivers in NFL history who didn't

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Speaker 9: get drafted by the Indianapolis Colts. They got drafted by

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Speaker 9: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and they had whoever throw into

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Speaker 9: him and not Peyton Manning. And they didn't have Kurt

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Speaker 9: Warner in prime, you know, with the incredible years that

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Speaker 9: he had. But if you asked me to name the

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Speaker 9: amount of great catches and the amount of you know,

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Speaker 9: plays he made in the field, that I just said, wow,

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Speaker 9: look at that. Now, that's an incredible receiver. Just sorry,

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Speaker 9: I just didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to start Kevin Bowen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Peter King's dead wrong. First off, to

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Speaker 3: me is not a highlight reel honor. You know, he

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Speaker 3: just said it there at the end. You know, how

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Speaker 3: many catches can you point to that? This is not

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Speaker 3: a one handed catch with Odell Beckham Junior would be

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Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer. It is about production,

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Speaker 3: just point blank period. And Reggie Wayne's longevity I think

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Speaker 3: is something that I've always pointed to that really stands

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Speaker 3: out a couple of things for me with Reggie first off,

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Speaker 3: his postseason career is tremendous. That is something that when

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Speaker 3: you get to that level of the game, do you

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Speaker 3: take your game to another level? That to me would

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Speaker 3: be part of the critter that I would look at.

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Speaker 3: And Reggie Wayne's done that. He's one of the best

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Speaker 3: catch yardage guys in playoff history. And then I would

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Speaker 3: tell Peter King to sit down and watch the twenty

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Speaker 3: twelve season without Peyton Manning, particularly to watch the Green

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Speaker 3: Bay game with the orange gloves and watch Reggie Wayne

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Speaker 3: against Charles Woodson. Where is Charles Woodson with a gold

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Speaker 3: jacket on? So I would point to that. Now, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: we do have to live in a dose of reality though.

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Speaker 3: Of that what Peter King just said there, based off

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Speaker 3: what Mike Chappell has shared, that's how the room thinks

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Speaker 3: of Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne is not getting in the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame anytime soon in my opinion. And Tory

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Speaker 3: Holt was a finalist last year, like got to the top.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the top seven James is what they

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Speaker 3: cut it down to, and Reggie did not get to

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Speaker 3: that threshold. And they both I believe it the same

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Speaker 3: like seven years on the ballot. I think they both

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Speaker 3: went on the ballot at the same time. So if

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Speaker 3: you want to play the line game, which I think

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Speaker 3: we play a lot when it comes to Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: First off, Lairer Cheryld is a first ballot Hall of

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Speaker 3: Famer in my opinion, coming up Thursday night, Okay, he's

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Speaker 3: going to go in. And then you would assume Tory

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Speaker 3: Holt is above Regi Wayne, if you're gonna go, if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna go off of last year. So again I

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Speaker 3: would disagree with what Peter King's saying, But unfortunately, I

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Speaker 3: think that opinion is a little bit more prevalent in

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Speaker 3: the room than many want to admit well.

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Speaker 1: Numbers wise, he's got over a thousand catches. He has

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Speaker 1: eighty two touchdowns just in the regular season. And I

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Speaker 1: think the thing that amazes me about Reggie Wayne is

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Speaker 1: the excellence that he displayed throughout all the regular season.

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Speaker 1: His numbers are almost when you talk about averages, they're

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Speaker 1: almost identical going into the postseason. So you take a

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Speaker 1: guy with great regular season numbers and there's no decline

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Speaker 1: in the postseason when you're playing against better defenses, when

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Speaker 1: you're playing against better cornerbacks, your production stays the same.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was actually watching an extended highlight.

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Speaker 2: Reel the other night when I was going down one

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Speaker 2: of my rabbit.

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Speaker 1: Holes of Super Bowl forty one, and that fifty seven

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Speaker 1: yard touchdown pass that he caught that really kind of

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Speaker 1: got them on track offensively. That's who he was. He

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Speaker 1: seemed to be opened by a step almost all the

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Speaker 1: time on a lot of these plays. That's not and

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Speaker 1: that's yes, Peyton Manning getting him the football, and Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning doing a great job and scheming things.

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Speaker 2: Up, but the man was always open. That's individual, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I Mean, he's eleventh all time in receptions tenth all

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Speaker 4: time in receiving yards. That's hall of fame, is it not?

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Speaker 4: You're saying the other top ten guys, there's guys that

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Speaker 4: don't qualify for that. That seems absurd.

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Speaker 6: That's when I met with this mark, because we're talking

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Speaker 6: about a game that's been played for over one hundred years,

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Speaker 6: and to be top ten and anything when it comes

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Speaker 6: to those categories counts for something, right, And I do

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Speaker 6: understand what Peter King is saying.

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Speaker 5: I just don't. I'll say this because hey, we're on

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Speaker 5: the radio. Let's be real.

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Speaker 6: Peter King is a legend when it comes to journalism

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Speaker 6: and media covers and all that. But I think when

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Speaker 6: I hear these types of responses, I'm like, boy, could

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Speaker 6: you sound any more like a nerd?

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Speaker 5: Like or someone who couldn't do it?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 6: How are we evaluating? Like what the man put on

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Speaker 6: tape for years? Years after years and we're saying, oh,

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Speaker 6: it didn't look esthetically pleasing enough?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who cares?

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Speaker 3: I don't get the end of that comment.

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Speaker 5: Like what from Peter any catches do you remember?

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, hell, I don't remember a lot of them.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to know why because he caught a

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Speaker 6: million footballs.

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Speaker 5: In his career. Like, I don't I just don't get that, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did Omark Cooper Junior make a hell of a

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Speaker 3: catch against Penn State?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Did Elijah Saratt make a ton of boring catches that

654
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Speaker 3: were a huge reason why Indiana want. I mean, if

655
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go watch the Iowa game winner Elijah Sarratt had,

656
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: how many times did you see the Iowa game winner

657
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: for sarat versus the Penn State game winner? You saw

658
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: the Penn State game winner from Cooper a million times

659
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: more than you saw Elijah Saaratz play. And they both

660
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: won a game on the road in the Big Ten.

661
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they both were touchdowns. Like,

662
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't that aspect of the highlight reel. I just

663
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: don't get that at all.

664
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Speaker 6: I think it's one of those things where they feel like,

665
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 6: and they probably wouldn't say this publicly, but since that

666
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 6: era of the Colts only won one championship, they feel

667
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 6: like they have to cap it at some point. Would

668
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 6: not allowing other guys to get in because you have

669
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 6: what dwit Freeny's already in there, James, Yes, I think

670
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 6: that is more of a not saying it's a more

671
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 6: reasonable take. I think that's dumb too, but I think

672
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 6: that's more of a valid reason as to why they

673
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 6: even have this stance, as opposed to saying, well, you know,

674
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: Reggie play with Peyton Manning like Peyton Manning played with

675
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 6: Reggy Wayne. I mean, he wasn't like he was out

676
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 6: there throwing a bunch of scrubs. I mean, come on now,

677
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 6: So we can't like look at Peyton and say, oh,

678
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 6: my gosh, your career was so great, which it was.

679
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 6: I mean, no one was better at the sport at

680
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 6: its peak than Peyton Manning. I think he's in that

681
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 6: conversation peak for peak. He's as good as any quarterbacks

682
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 6: ever played the game. But you can't give him that

683
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: credit and then take away his counterparts and say, well,

684
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 6: you know, Peyton Manning would have been paid Manning without

685
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 6: Reggie Wayne and Marven Harrison Junior.

686
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: Are we sure? I think so? But like I could

687
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 5: say the same thing for the wide receivers.

688
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: And just to go over a couple things. For Thursday

689
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: NFL Honor Show, we'll hear the class announced again. Drew

690
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: Brees and Larry Fitzgerald are both on the ballot for

691
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: the first time this year. I'd be stunned if they

692
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: weren't first ballot Hall of famers. Remember, you have fifty voters.

693
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: The selectors have to have forty of the fifty votes

694
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: to get in. You can vote for three once you

695
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: cut it down to seven. So from a simple math standpoint,

696
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: it's very difficult now to get back to our five

697
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: man classes. Like I'm trying to think when when Dungee

698
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: and Harrison went in the same class. I think Brett

699
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: Farva was in their class. There was somebody else, there's

700
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: a pass rusher.

701
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: I think, what the hell's Greg Farv done here.

702
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: In their class? You know, that was your traditional kind

703
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: of five man classes. We are getting away from that.

704
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: It's being more selective. So on Thursday night, in all likelihood,

705
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: we probably only hear three names. And again the four

706
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: finalists from last year that are still on the ballot

707
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: that didn't get in, Willie Anderson, big offensive tackle, Tory

708
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: Holt who we just mentioned, Luke Keikley, who is the

709
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: great great eight year career without the longevity, and then

710
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: Adam VNITII. So you know, if you're looking at a

711
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: Venitarry Wayne Thing for this year. To me, it's probably

712
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Venitary more than Wayne. If it's going to be anybody

713
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: Frank Gore, Jason Whitten also on the ballot for the

714
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: first time, if anyone else is looking out there, And

715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: I saw Adam Scheffer reported earlier today and this is

716
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: not in the same category. These are the modern era

717
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: candidates we've talked about this segment. To go back to

718
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: the Bill Belichick debate we had last week, Robert Kraft,

719
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: according to Adam Schefter, did not get in as a

720
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: senior contributor, and I believe Mike Chapel said that he

721
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: voted for Kraft, not Belichick, voted for Craft not Belichick,

722
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: but based off Adam Schefter's reporting, Kraft did not get in.

723
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Speaker 3: And one final thing, Mike Chappel will join us Friday

724
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: morning to discuss this. So again Thursday night, we'll get

725
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: the announcement. Chap's gonna wake up with us early, which

726
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: is a rare occurrence.

727
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne did respond on Twitter last night by saying,

728
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: I guess the ball caught themselves, but anyway, carry on.

729
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's co from I'm pretty upset. He lets us

730
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: know every year when we talk to him about being

731
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 6: a semi finalist for the Hall of Fame. How he

732
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 6: really feels and it's tough, and Kevin laid it all out.

733
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 6: It's tougher now for it feels like for a player

734
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 6: or a modern era or.

735
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 5: A contributor to the game to get in as well.

736
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Speaker 6: So I think at this point, without Belichick getting in

737
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 6: for his ballot Robert Craft, we have to ask ourselves

738
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 6: will they ever get in?

739
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: We'll see not this year again.

740
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Reggie seventh year on the ballot. I want to say

741
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: John Lynch as a player was pretty deep on the

742
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: ballot too. I want to say he was close to

743
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: about ten years on the ballot before you got in.

744
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: Edrin had to wait a good amount. I don't think

745
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: as long as Reggie. I believe as a player you're

746
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: allowed twenty years on the ballot before you then migrate

747
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: over to that senior contributor, which you know, it sounds

748
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: like based off Belichick and Craft not getting in a

749
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: lot of those senior players will have gotten in.

750
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: That is where we're at right now with the Hall

751
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: of Fame and it's voting, and man, I never want

752
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that responcs ability. They sure you don't ever want to

753
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: be chosen to maybe you're the one day the guy

754
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: who takes over for Chappie.

755
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 6: Chap says that to us in the media room, and

756
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, Nope, I would never want that. It just

757
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 6: feels like I will waste my time because I mean,

758
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 6: you could vote in theory and pick three worthy people

759
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 6: and still be waiting to get any of them in.

760
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: Do you think the NFL should broadcast the Hall of

761
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: Fame like like they broadcast everything else for God's sake, Well,

762
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: don't you think we're getting to that point where, like

763
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 4: you know what, people probably watch these debates?

764
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Mark, I actually, first off, it's like a nine

765
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: hour zoom call. So that's exactly the NFL network meets programming.

766
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: Kevin sounds like I'd rather jump in that snowbank out there,

767
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 3: and you know, do it upside down. Having said that,

768
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: I do. I disagree with my chapel and not voting

769
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: for Belichick, But I do appreciate chap writing that story

770
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: last week explaining it. I think that should almost be

771
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: a requirement for each voter. I think transparency, I really

772
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: appreciate it, and so I would like to see that.

773
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: You know, Peter King, at least he's speaking on it,

774
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: I think the comments are I don't know if they're

775
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 3: Reggie Miller, Peyton Pritchard, Caitlin Clarke dumb, but they're certainly

776
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: up there. But I do thank you for the candor.

777
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: I guess, at least if nothing else but Mark, I mean,

778
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: let's be honest, man, you're turning off your camera five

779
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: minutes into any zoom call. Lord knows you're not watching

780
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: an eight hour zoom No.

781
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: But I think if there's compelling stuff like I vnovela

782
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 4: network like did a live stream of the debate, like, yeah,

783
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: you're not.

784
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: Probably the film should all of a sudden bring out

785
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: the highlights. You're not locked in for that full nine hours,

786
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: but the juicy stuff will. Peter King, Mike Chapel, Yeah, oh,

787
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: this is why we didn't vote for Bill Belichick. Tony's

788
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: yelling at Judy Batista.

789
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: I do wonder how do they pick the voters for that,

790
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: and should there be a cap as to how long

791
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 6: you do it?

792
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: For example, how old is Bill Pollion. He's in his eighties.

793
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 6: He probably needs to be hanging it up, not like

794
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 6: as far as well, yeah, as far as voting, he

795
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 6: should be done.

796
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: This isn't This isn't the Supreme Court. These aren't lifetime.

797
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, commitments, I think you get they should have like

798
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 6: terms or something like that when it comes to your

799
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 6: ability to vote, because.

800
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 5: Then you get like, I think you probably get like what's.

801
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 6: The word, you get like a stalemate or something like that,

802
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 6: where you have people who are dug into whoever they're

803
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 6: going to vote for, and you're probably never going to

804
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: get any progress. So what's the point of that, Like,

805
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 6: if we run this back next year, A, We're gonna

806
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 6: have the same conversation about how guys didn't get in

807
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 6: because you voted the same exact way.

808
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: Again, it's very interesting to me.

809
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: I suppose you could say Bill Belichick is in a hall.

810
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: It just happens to be a strip mall in Florida somewhere, right, Mark,

811
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's going on with him.

812
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: Jordan, you think I look good in this hoodie? Not Belichick?

813
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sorry, craft Craft right, I say Belichick was.

814
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 3: There for a second. I was like, oh, boy, Belichick.

815
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: I know know. No, Belichick is celebrating on the sand

816
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: right now.

817
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: I think which by works is another sale? Jordan, we

818
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: can use some more soaps.

819
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: I swear I bought my mom something from Bath and

820
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: body Works for like ten straight Christmases. I think I

821
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: bought every candle in there.

822
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 4: Your brother lifetime returns from what I hear? Oh really yeah?

823
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: Have that thing down to like the wick and you're like, Nope,

824
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: didn't care for it.

825
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: Wow, that's good to know.

826
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Speaker 3: Is Bath and Body Works still a thing?

827
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Speaker 5: You think?

828
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 7: So?

829
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: The one A Navon still running.

830
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: Good.

831
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day's around the corner, boys, you guys laughing, let's.

832
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Go, let's go.

833
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Uh, but we'll find out Thursday who's going to get

834
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. And to your point, Kevin,

835
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: it just feels like Reggie's getting farther and farther away

836
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: when you hear people like Peter King come out and

837
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: say stuff like that.

838
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, I don't think Peter King's in the

839
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: minority in that room, I.

840
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: Think, which is kind of crazy when you think about it.

841
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: It is wide receiver to be fair to that position.

842
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: Mark has always been one where there seems to be

843
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: a long jam. You know, Marvin Harrison had to wait

844
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: three years. Marvin's resume is much better than Reggie's. If

845
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: you want to compare the two and Marvin had to

846
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: wait three years. Yeah, Marvin had to wait for I

847
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: think it was Andre Reid. Like you want to compare

848
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: those two, they're not. I mean, Tory Holton Reggie Wayne

849
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: are very even if you really want to look at

850
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: their resumes, they both if you want to play Peter

851
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: King's analogy here, they both played with the you know,

852
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: great quarterback and had the Isaac Bruce opposite, had the

853
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison opposite, all that one Super Bowl I think

854
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: for each So I think wide receivers and unfortunately wide

855
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: receivers going nowhere, you know, we're only going to get

856
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: great resumes running back like Frank Gore, I think we'll

857
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: continue his resume will continue to get better because we're

858
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: not going to get as many great running back made

859
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: me a Hall of Fame running back, like in the NFL,

860
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: Henry McCaffrey, maybe Jonathan Taylor, and then they Barkley and

861
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: Taylor are probably on that next tier of like they

862
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: need to do it for you know, a handful more years.

863
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: So whereas wide receivers just different with how much the

864
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: passing games emphasize in the NFL.

865
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: Well, that's the one thing with the Hall of fame too,

866
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 4: is they always are like positionally, they're always like only

867
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 4: one can get in, Like it was weird that Erlacker

868
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: and ray Lewis got in in the same year because

869
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: it was just like, nope, it's got to be one.

870
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 4: It's like, well, that's where you get that log jam,

871
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: and that's why guys end up winning multiple decades or

872
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: once they're passed on in this world, which.

873
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: Is only going to grow, right because we now are

874
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: shrinking the classes. Yeah, we're no longer going with the

875
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: five man classes, so you know that's only going to

876
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: be more and more.

877
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Speaker 2: Good morning.

878
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: Time to talk to some college basketball. Indiana playing at

879
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: USC later on tonight, Purdue getting off the schneid, a

880
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: big win over when I say, big thirty point win

881
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: over Maryland the other night, and other schools still scrap

882
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: and Butler's got a lot of work to do. We'll

883
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: find out what's going on in our now. CJ Moore

884
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: covers college basketball for The Athletic and he joined us

885
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: now in the Payloss Liquors Hotline. This has got to

886
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: be like coming intow York dream season, CJ. The next

887
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: six seven weeks.

888
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it will fly by. It probably won't get

889
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 8: a lot of sleep, but looking forward to it.

890
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 5: Well, CJ.

891
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: One, I want to give you credit for Keaton Wogler

892
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 6: going off because you wrote this great feature on him

893
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 6: and then he turned into a star at Purdue and

894
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: hasn't looked back since. So, I mean, it's not any

895
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 6: of his reasoning, it's all you. So I want to

896
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 6: give you credit there to start off. But jokes aside,

897
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 6: when you look at the Big Ten and the way

898
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 6: the landscape's kind of changed the last couple of weeks,

899
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 6: when you look at this league, how would you kind

900
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 6: of rate it? When you look at you know, the

901
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 6: teams at the top like Illinois, like Purdue had been

902
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 6: in Michigan, but then also the middle little pac teams

903
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: that are kind of coming along like Indiana.

904
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's the best league in the country

905
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 8: probably from pop through middle. You know, there's some duds

906
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 8: there at the at the bottom. I think the Big

907
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 8: twelve is is pretty close, but and very really really

908
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 8: really good this year too. But you know, I think

909
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 8: you look at the Big Ten and you know, I

910
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 8: could argue there's at least two or three maybe four,

911
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 8: uh title contenders definitely, you know, multiple teams that can

912
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 8: reach the final four, and some teams that I think

913
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 8: could could go on a run. You know, Indiana's been

914
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 8: playing better lately. I was going to be a tough

915
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 8: out and when we get to tournament time, so it's

916
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 8: it's a it's a really fun league. I've enjoyed, you know,

917
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 8: watching the games this year, c J.

918
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 6: When I look at the Indiana in particular, this is

919
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 6: a team that probably a month ago, I was thinking, boy,

920
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if they have anything on the resume

921
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 6: so far, and they will off some big wins and

922
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 6: have another opportunity tonight at USC. What do you think

923
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 6: has shifted for them to be able to establish themselves

924
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 6: a bit and the big ten and obviously, as I

925
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 6: just talked about picking up some big wins to build

926
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 6: their tournament resume.

927
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 8: I think one thing that's helped, obviously is is putting

928
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 8: Nick Dorn in the starting lineup and playing him a

929
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 8: lot more. He's just shooting the He's shooting the heck

930
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 8: out of the ball, and you put that much shooting

931
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 8: on the floor. I think they've been really really hard

932
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 8: to guard lately, and so I mean it really, I

933
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 8: think it might be as simple as that that that

934
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 8: was kind of the thing that that flipped it for him.

935
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, when you when you.

936
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 8: Shoot the balls as well as they've been shooting it,

937
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 8: you know a lot of times, Yeah.

938
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: You win games.

939
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 8: So I think it's you know, maybe some toughness stuff

940
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 8: like you know, inside they're not as as strong, but

941
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 8: like that Perdue game, I thought they're big held up. Well,

942
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 8: so they're they're They've had a nice turnaround.

943
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

944
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 8: Darren's a really good coach, so I'm not surprised. C. J.

945
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: Moore, that's the voice you hear. You can find his

946
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: work over on the Athletic. I do want to get

947
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: to Darren Peterson here in Pacers Country in just a second,

948
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: but let's stick with the local teams, not panicking on Purdue.

949
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: That was something you wrote here recently on the Athletic.

950
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: You know, def coon meter has been a little higher,

951
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: I would say for Purdue fans, particularly with what's happening

952
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: in Bloomington. But what do you think about Purdue in

953
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: this recent slide.

954
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 8: Well, I mean there's obviously, like some reasons to be concerned.

955
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 8: Obviously the defense hasn't been what you hope. I think

956
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 8: that you know, my concern with them coming in the year,

957
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 8: was like, are they athletic enough on the wing? And

958
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 8: I do, and then inside, you know, are they are

959
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 8: they going to be able to have guys that can

960
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 8: get out on the perimeter and guard. Obviously Keaton really

961
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 8: really made that a problem for them, and that Illinois loss,

962
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 8: you know, switching Oscar and TKR on Tom who was

963
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 8: not working very well. But they're still an elite offensive team.

964
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 8: I think if they can figure out some some things defensively,

965
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 8: then they've still got a shot to really go on

966
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 8: a run here and you know, have a really good team.

967
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 8: Like if the losses coming in a row obviously was

968
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 8: what you know, gets everybody worried, But there's still eighteen

969
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 8: and four. There's really not a bad loss on there.

970
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 8: I mean, you lose it at your rival, lose on

971
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 8: the road to u C l A. That's those those

972
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 8: are defensible losses. And then Illinois is playing as well

973
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 8: as anybody in college basketball right now. So I wouldn't

974
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 8: freak out too much if I was a Purdue fan.

975
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 8: I do think there's some things defensively that you know,

976
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 8: Matt Taenner's got to figure out, and I'm not you know,

977
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 8: he's he's got to get right games that they've they

978
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 8: have already had one Maryland. You know you're not you

979
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 8: can play off on lose and still beat those guys,

980
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 8: and then uh, you know, having or in this weekend

981
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 8: that helps to just kind of figure some things out

982
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 8: before man the really the schedule gets really, really really

983
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 8: tough again.

984
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: So CJ, you were at Allen Field House, I believe

985
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: with the weekend for Ajdavans and Darren Peterson. Obviously we

986
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: saw what happened there with the cramping in the second

987
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: half last night, Darren Peterson played thirty five minutes. The

988
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: shot making on full display, the clutch shot making probably

989
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: on full display. I don't think there's any doubting Darren

990
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: Peterson the basketball player. It's more of just what's going on,

991
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: I guess off the floor, injury wise, the handling of

992
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: it all. What do you make of that aspect to it?

993
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: Because Pacers fans obviously have a ton of intrigue over

994
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: what that story is going to look like here come June.

995
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 8: I mean, it's really really bizarre and weird, and it's

996
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 8: you know, it's hard to wrap your head around, like

997
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 8: why why you can't finish games. Why you know, he

998
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 8: goes to the bench the other night against BYU and

999
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 8: it doesn't look like he's really like anybody's trying to

1000
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 8: help him get back in the game, or he's trying

1001
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 8: to get back in the game. Like you just got

1002
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 8: to kind of sat there. It's bizarre. I think there's

1003
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 8: probably more to the story than we know. It'll be

1004
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 8: interesting to see what comes up medical wise. Wants to

1005
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 8: get to the draft process. You know, if there's anything

1006
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 8: really really serious, I think that that'll come out then

1007
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 8: at least. But if I have the number one pick

1008
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 8: and I'm trying to decide, you know, what franchise guy

1009
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 8: I want, and there's some really really good options, I'd

1010
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 8: have a hard time not taking him, just because of

1011
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 8: what he's able to do when he is healthy. And

1012
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 8: you just hope that like this is kind of just

1013
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 8: a weird one year thing. But if it's you know,

1014
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 8: medical stuff comes up that it's enough to scare you away.

1015
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 8: There are some pretty other good options up there at

1016
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 8: the top.

1017
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: CJ. Last thing before we let you go.

1018
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: It's getting late for the Butler Bulldogs, and I don't

1019
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: know how many opportunities they really have for great quality

1020
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: wins in the Big East ahead of them.

1021
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: Is there a realistic path forward for them to make

1022
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: a here? No, I don't think so.

1023
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 8: I mean, like you said, there just aren't enough quality

1024
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 8: wins you can get in the Big East this year.

1025
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 8: Even if we're to run the table, it's going to

1026
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 8: be really, really tough to have a resume that that's

1027
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 8: good enough to make the INS tournament.

1028
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for stopping by, Buddy, We appreciate it as always.

1029
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: Thanks for getting up early and being with us.

1030
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: Thanks guys,